'Jenny Sparks' six-issue black label miniseries written by Tom King in August

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That's hilarious, nothing fricking matters.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Well the only postive here is maybe this one will finally force the critics to admit Tom King is not a good writer.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You're funny.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This will be Ellis with no scientific imagination and even thinner characterization cloaked in moral relativism and the critics will suck his dick because somehow only he could tell this story because of his vague experiences in the CIA

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        THANK HIM FOR HIS SEVEN YEARS AS A GLORIFIED FILE CLERK ANON.
        The VA refuse to cover papercut scars ;_;

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Did you miss his Adam Strange?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No but my aim is getting better!

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >DC announced today a new six-issue DC Black Label comic book miniseries launching in August, Jenny Sparks. The Spirit of the 20th Century returns for the 21st in this action-packed new DC adventure by Eisner Award-winning writer Tom King (Wonder Woman, Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow,The Penguin) and artist Jeff Spokes (WildC.A.T.s, Batman: The Brave and the Bold)!

    >“Jenny Sparks is an epic, thrilling, mind-blowing series in the tradition of Strange Adventures, Mister Miracle, and The Human Target,” said Tom King. “The Spirit of the 20th Century comes to the 21st to try to save five men and women taken hostage by an out-of-control and infinitely powered Captain Atom. Through this lens, we’ll explore the grip of Jenny’s time on our own; how, despite all our desperate prayers, the sins of our past refuse to die away. Featuring astonishing art by Jeff Spokes (seriously, it’s so damn good), Jenny Sparks seeks to set the bar in superhero comics, to show how our heroes can illuminate and define our moment.”

    >But who is Jenny Sparks? Readers of DC’s WildStorm comics will know that Jenny has always worked outside of the Justice League establishment to find anomalies in the superhero community, is subtle enough to dig into the lies of the most powerful people on the planet, and is strong enough to fight back when these fallen heroes discover who’s digging. She can, if only for a moment, light up the darkest nights. In DC’s new Jenny Sparks, Jenny is the Spirit of the 20th Century, resurrected for the 21st.

    >Kicking off the action in Jenny Sparks #1, what could four strangers have to do with the fate of the world? Find out as Captain Atom goes rogue, threatening to destroy the planet he once swore to protect. It may take the most unconventional hero of them all to stop him…Jenny Sparks, the one woman tasked with keeping all the heroes in line, no matter the cost. With a snap of her fingers, she’s entered the fray and won’t quit until the job is done!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >The Spirit of the 20th Century comes to the 21st to try to save five men and women taken hostage by an out-of-control and infinitely powered Captain Atom.
      Why reference Captain Atom:Armageddon for Jenny Sparks when it was Jenny Quantum who fought him there?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Do you really think King reads the comics he references? He wrote a whole-ass page with Steel in Heroes in Crisis where he mixed up the two Steel characters into one as if they were just the same person. Dude just briefly googles stuff and then goes off on his own ideas

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Why is this never a bigger issue for anyone else besides us?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            they don't read comics either.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Then who are these for?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I picked up on it when he first shat the bed with his Omega Men miniseries, its only gotten worse the deeper he's embedded himself into DC

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          So the comic you're referencing the dialog is about Hank, but the image drawn is that of Nate. The editor makes the same mistake in the back of the book, so maybe it was on the artist

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          So the comic you're referencing the dialog is about Hank, but the image drawn is that of Nate. The editor makes the same mistake in the back of the book, so maybe it was on the artist

          Also there's technically 5 characters named Steel:

          Henry, Hank, and Nate Heywood (Commander and Citizen)
          John Henry and Natasha Irons

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >In DC’s new Jenny Sparks, Jenny is the Spirit of the 20th Century, resurrected for the 21st.
      Come on.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Eh... it was kind of necessary. No one gave a frick about Jenny Quantum and the only reason Jenny Sparks stayed dead was due to DC being full of Ellis dick suckers, as Ellis got DC to agree to keep Sparks dead because she was his waifu and outside a single mini written by Mark Millar, didn't want anyone else writing her. And with Ellis now a pariah due to #MeToo, there is no need to humor Ellis and keep her dead.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      thanks anon.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm glad he is so humble about his work.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >girlboss the comic
      Ahh, yes, so another Tom King story then, Captain Atom will be the representative for evil white males and patriarchy this time around.

      It's so tiresome, but at least western comics demise is accelerating, they will not reverse course and instead double down, the pain will be shorter.

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Jenny Sparks #1, written by King with art and main cover by Spokes and lettering by Clayton Cowles, will have variant covers by Guillem March, Homare, and Saowee (1:25). Jenny Sparks #1 will hit local comic book shop shelves on August 21, 2024. Jenny Sparks is a DC Black Label comic book series and carries an Ages 17+ content descriptor (for mature readers). Each issue of Jenny Sparks will be 40 pages, with 28 story pages per issue.

    >https://www.dc.com/blog/2024/05/14/dc-launches-a-brand-new-wild-storm-adventure

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What kind of abuse and torture is Tom King going to put Captain Atom through this time?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What did he did to Captain Atom beforehand? Or are you talking about King having Atom be used in this book to shit on him for the way DiDio pretty much made the entire Wildstorm Universe job to Captain Atom, a perennial C-Lister forever stuck in the shadow of his Brand X counterpart Dr Manhattan?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          He did use Atom as a jobber to Gotham Girl.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >40 pages, with 28 story pages per issue.
      i don't get it

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        12 pages of ads.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      How is Captain Atom gonna be humiliated this year? They seemingly do it on an annual basis.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Im guessing his suit will be torn and he will explode

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I expect Tom King to shit on Ellis a lot in this

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If only in attempt to distract people from his own gender politics.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why? Ellis has not done a book for DC in years and Tom's picking through his leftovers.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Well you can't expect Tom to sell this book based on the strength of his writing right?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Ellis was cancelled by the Woke mob so Tom King, a SJW, must defend the honor of the MeToo movement and demonize Ellis. Like he did with Ditko.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Like he did with Ditko.

          You're going to have to source me on that. Who the frick is this flavor of the month motherfricker to shit on Ditko?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The same comic he wrote Frank Miller as a character. And people still praise him

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              tbf Frank Miller was consulting on that comic and allowed that portrayal of him to go ahead

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                tbf you are pulling that straight out of your ass and regardless it’s hacky look at me bullshit writing

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >tbf you are pulling that straight out of your ass
                I'm not I'm going off an interview King did about the book where basically he said that Miller allowed King to own the rights to his name and likeness for the duration of the comic publication and printing d and Tom King was talking to Miller regularly during this period, there really isn't any reason to doubt King on this

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                An interview that you saw floating in your toilet bowl.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                well I guess I shit in the internet then

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Tell me where you start talking about Miller Tom I’m not wading through your toilet bowl. Love to hear Miller saying anything about this too.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    At least with this, Wonder Woman and Penguin great artists aren't wasted on Tom King.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Tom King getting more work with """redefining""" yet another fan-favourite character
    I'm starting to think this man is my mortal enemy. I don't even care for Jenny Sparks that much but I just know he's gonna pull some more bullshit here.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >fan-favourite

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    she's non-binary and lesbian

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Will Captain Atom EVER catch a break?

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You guys are all coping. Tom King is a good writer, and an Authority character is exactly up his alley. "He's gonna shove in moral relativism and make it all serious instead of doing a goofy DC story" have you guys never read The Authority comics?? You know the whole point of it is to rail against traditional superhero comics. The Authority is about as close to a Watchmen as you can get, and given how obsessed King is with that story, it makes perfect sense he'd gravitate towards these characters.

    It's amazing that this thread already has 20 responses, and yet nobody can actually describe what they dislike about King's comics. All you can say is that you hate his politics and hate how the mainstream sucks his dick. You can't actually describe why you dislike it (because they're not actually bad). If Alan Moore was doing today what he did in the 80's, you would all shit on him too lmao.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Tom King is not a good writer and I can explain to you why even.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I'm waiting.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          His plots are insubstantial and his characters lack persoanlity.
          There, I just you two solid reasons why Tom King is a bad writer.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The opposite is true though. Most writers just give character the same personality. Tom King gives each character more independence. The way he writes Superman is very different from how he writes Mister Miracle, or Batman. Also his plots are not insubstantial. Don't know where that's coming from. I'm guessing you feel that way because his stories are definitely more character focused than plot-driven, but that the plots do matter.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Tom King gives each character more independence.
              false

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I can't think of a modern writer who does more character driven stuff than Tom King.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              If his plot aren't insubstantial then perhaps you can explain the plot of strange adventures for us.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What did you have difficulty understanding? Mister Terrific investigated him for crimes on Earth that were tied to his actions on Rann. It was mostly a political thriller/detective story. That was the meat of the book.

                Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

                You're not using that phrase correctly. Or maybe you just misunderstanding me. I'm not saying King does what nobody else does. I'm saying he does it moreso.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >What did you have difficulty understanding?
                Well can you explain why the aliens wanted to invade in the first place?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Are you talking about the invasion on Rann or on Earth? IIRC, the aliens were warlords or something. They invaded Earth because Strange sold them out to save Rann and his daughter

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >They invaded Earth because Strange sold them out to save Rann and his daughter
                Oh I'm sorry but that's wrong. Maybe you should reread strange adventures so you could understand and explain the plot better.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                can't even explain what was wrong with my explanation. fricking brainlet, I understand a book I read 2 years ago better than the words you are reading in front of you right now.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I can easily explain what you got wrong with the plot anon.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Strange Adventure took WAY WAY WAY too long to get to that point of explaining what the frick the plot was (as most people dropped it after the first couple of super vague decompressed storytelling) and the whole thing was a retred of that god-awful Adam Strange mini from the late 80s that retconned Adam a cheating butthole who had a side piece on Earth he never told his wife about, who was hated by the Rannians, and who was only there because Rann's men were rendered sterile due to a nuclear war and his father in law wanted to see if the still fertile women could frick earth men and have kids with them that weren't cross-species abominations (with the punchline being that Adam got his wife preggers but she died giving birth, allowing him to move in with his side piece with the kid in tow, father-in-law be damned).

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                And at least that 80s story was just 3 issues.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Mister Terrific investigated him for crimes on Earth that were tied to his actions on Rann.
                But Mister Terrific didn't investigate him for his crimes on Earth but for his crimes on Rann, which doesn't make any sense.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >actually claiming that Tom King gives each of his characters a different personality
              Lol
              Lmao, even

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Mister Miracle and Batman both slit their wrists, so keep trying.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      He is pretentious with rote, repetitive prose that lacks substance and has the most obnoxious dialogue found in comics. His characters are one note, his plots nonsensical, and he writes the same story ad nauseum. He stands on the shoulders of giants and regularly shits all over them. His head is so far up his own ass people don’t realize his mouth is actually spewing his own farts instead of carbon dioxide. I can keep going if you like.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, his dialogue is pretty annoying sometimes, that's a critique at least I can agree with. I don't agree with the idea that his characters are one note or that he writes the same story over and over again though. He has a pretty diverse set of books actually. Batman, Mister Miracle, Danger Street, and his indie stuff. Obviously, he has themes and tropes he revisits a lot, but generally it's filtered through the lens of each unique story.
        >He stands on the shoulders of giants and regularly shits all over them.
        This is the case with the best writers. Moore, Morrison, Ellis. Building on top of, and breaking down, what came before is how progress is made in comics.

        >Mister Terrific investigated him for crimes on Earth that were tied to his actions on Rann.
        But Mister Terrific didn't investigate him for his crimes on Earth but for his crimes on Rann, which doesn't make any sense.

        Didn't the whole investigation start because someone from Strange's book signing was found murdered, with Strange being the prime suspect?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          But Mister Terrific doesn't investigate that crime at all, he focuses on the war crime allegations the murder victim made at the book signing.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Because the investigation leads him to that.

            Batman and Mister Miracle are suicidal messes that slit their wrists, which directly ties into my point that he stands on the shoulders of giants and shits all over them. What’s King’s trademark paneling style? Oh yeah that other guys trademark style with zero innovations. Those authors you mentioned have reverence for what came before them. King doesn’t possess the talent required to build back up characters and if he did he wouldn’t because he hates them. His take on Batman is I Am Suicide. He’s an idiot who thinks he’s smart for deconstructing superheroes and making them swear, and you’re an idiot for defending him.

            >Batman and Mister Miracle are suicidal messes that slit their wrists
            Your point being? Batman being a mentally ill freak is not a new interpretation of the character, why would something like this bother you?
            >Those authors you mentioned have reverence for what came before them.
            Moore absolutely did not, and if you've read a Morrison book from the past decade you'd know he doesn't either. They speak respectfully of the creators in real life obviously, as does King, but the actual content of the books they write are in many ways attacks on what came before.

            You say King is an idiot, but as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I can't think of many modern writers who can do what he does. Things like panel layout is not a simple task, even if you are just apeing it form Moore. Notice how few other writers do any complex panel layout? It's mostly either random or a shmorgus board of nonsense. King has the ability to not only work within complex panel layout, but also write to the strength of his artists, which incidentally, is what the best writers do. Just like Moore and Morrison, King will consciously write his scripts to favor his artists. That's why he does the 9 panel grid while working with Gerads, but will use larger layouts when working with Mikel Janin or Bilquis Evely. He is simply better than most writers.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              My point being you cited those two titles as being different when they are exactly the same. I’m not having a green text argument with a cherry picking chat bot have a good day.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                lol this is how it goes with every brain rotted Tom King hater. You just immediately give up as soon as you get pushback. I understand, dealing with different opinions can be difficult when your a special ed student.

                it did. You are misremembering the book.

                Hello, I'm not the anon you've been talking to but I would like to explain my issues with Tom King. I enjoyed Omega Men and Visions but his Batman series having such repetitive dialogue and I didn't enjoy how suicidal he made Batman, which is where I stopped being a fan. Mister Miracle and Heroes in Crisis are where I went from "not a fan" to "actively disliking" his work. They're also where I pinpointed my biggest problem with his work: he uses obscure characters and completely disregards their established characterization.

                Actually, he disregards characterization for bigger names too (A Booster Gold that doesn't understand how time travel works?), but when he "reinvents" Scott Free to be suicidal or Adam Strange to be a war criminal there's a much greater chance of that just being the standard for those characters going forward. So when I hear he's tackling less popular characters I like such as the JLI in Human Target or Warlord in Danger Street, I'm filled with dread instead of the usual joy I get when seeing these characters get attention. Usually these guys only get used if a fan finds an excuse to use them, but Tom King is obviously not a fan, or else he would have these characters actually behave like themselves. Looking back, even those early works I enjoyed had this flaw, like the retcon that Victor Mancha was always a secret drug addict.

                Anyways, those are my two cents.

                I understand your perspective a bit. Part of our difference is probably just how we read comics. I'm very interested in theme, characterization, and how those are integrated into the plot. I don't really care for continuity errors or inconsistency with past titles. Comics are at their strongest, imo, when a writer takes a basic blueprint for a character and runs it through their own unique perspective to create something new. I enjoyed what King did with the stories you listed. Reinvention is a cornerstone of superhero storytelling. Sorry if that's a bit ramble-y. I can clarify if you need it

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You like what Tom King did with Adam Strange in Strange Adventures anon? Well let's discuss that then.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I thought it was a good book. It's not as good as Mister Miracle or Danger Street, but I liked it. Haven't read it since it came out, but from what I remember - the artwork was incredible, I liked the twist with Strange, I thought Mister Terrific was cool, and Alannah Strange (I think that was her name) was more than just a generic wife/mommy

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sorry but what is your issue with calling women generic?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What? I'm saying she wasn't generic.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Wasn't she? Can you actually describe her character without saying she wasn't generic?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, she initially appears to be generic, but during the Rann war, she shows she's actually capable of being quite ruthless. I believe she was also conspiring against Terrific at the beginning of his investigation. She was very intelligent and had her own motivation throughout the story. Different from Barda in Mister Miracle, for example.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Actually no her and Barda basically took the same role and even personality when written by Tom King.
                I honestly think Tom has some unaddressed issues with women or at least with his wife.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Not the case at all. Alannah feels almost like a response to the critique of the way King writes female characters.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Compared to the wall of text in my original message (and this message turned out to be similarly long), I wouldn't call you ramble-y at all. I understand your perspective and I frequently share it when reading elseworlds or reboots. Squadron Supreme, Watchmen, and The Ultimates 1 & 2 are all stories I'm immensely fond of. However, there is clear separation from those stories and the long-running continuity of Marvel and DC.

                I think that continuity is what transforms these comics into a modern-day mythology. I was into Greek myths as a kid and thought it was cool the way gods and other figures would reappear in different stories, forming this web of relationships. Similarly, an effort to maintain continuity has changed Marvel & DC from a handful of separate storylines into a single grand epic that allows for stories you couldn't get otherwise. The Hank Pym family tree for example is something you can only get with a multitude of different artists all contributing to a shared continuity over decades of serialized storytelling.

                Getting back to the Ancient Greece metaphor, I can still appreciate Percy Jackson of God of War reimagining these characters, but it's not like either franchise presents itself as an actual sequel to those ancient myths. Aside from Strange Adventures (which I fear will be made canon one day just due to the amount of praise it gets), King's stories are usually in-canon or vague about how canon they are. So in my eyes he is taking this framework built by his predecessors, twisting it up, and leaving it for someone else to fix while he goes to bask in the praise of his fans. I'm being dramatic here, but really, I'm so bummed that this guy is about to get his hands on Jenny Sparks.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Luckily anon there's no way for them to make Strange Adventures canon with an already dead adam strange.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >King's stories are usually in-canon

                Factually wrong. Most of King’s DC output for a while now has been done through black label which is not in-continuity at all.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Because the investigation leads him to that.
              No it doesn't, in fact that's a plot hole right in the open there.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Don’t bother it’s a bad baiter or a bot, just read back the thread

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Hey dummy I already know but I'm using them as a socratic device so shut the frick up and stay in your own lane.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Oh you’re a bot too huh ok got it

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick did I just say about staying in your own lane? I'm actually talking about a comic book here junior so maybe get off your high horse.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Have fun debating a bot using disingenuous argumentative tactics to hone your Socratic method you fricking bot

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                See ya in the next thread anon and don't try to act too surprised.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It’s not surprising to have bots debating bots that “win arguments” by deflecting ad nauseum but it is disheartening.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                frick I meant to message you with
                >it did. You are misremembering the book.
                sorry, I barely use Cinemaphile

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ruh Roh the robots are on the fritz!

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I am not misremembering because I got it open right now anon and I can tell you there Mister Terrific drops the murder case immediately to focus on the war crimes on Rann and never presents any proof to why he would do that.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you calling someone you know is a bot “anon”, bot?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Because I never said you were a bot.
                Now back to what my previous point which is how Mister Terrific never provides any proof that muder was linked to Adam's war crimes on Rann is a plot hole.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You said you were debating a bot and yet you still call him anon, curious

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Because he suspects that Strange really did murder the victim, and believes he can find a motive through his time in the Rann war. The victim was screaming at Strange at the book signing that he knew what Strange did in the war right? So finding out what did happen will help Terrific establish his case.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                But there's no evidence there that Adam did commit war crimes on Rann and had to kill that guy to cover it up in regards to the murder.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Originally you said "Mister Terrific didn't investigate him for his crimes on Earth but for his crimes on Rann" and I responded that was because his investigation led him there, because he was searching for a motive. It's through this investigation of Rann war crimes that he's able to convince Alannah that Strange lied and that her daughter is still alive. I believe it was when she confronted Strange that he admitted to everything. There isn't a plot hole, it all ties together.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No it's a plot hole because he's investigating the war crimes to prove Adam killed the guy but he's already using the murder victim as proof that Adam committed war crimes.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don't remember him using the victim as proof that Adam committed war crimes. Not to put you on the spot, but since you said you have the book in front of you, can you give a screenshot of where he does that? or if you have a physical copy just the issue number and I'll check on my end. Not saying you're wrong, I just legitimately don't remember that.

                Compared to the wall of text in my original message (and this message turned out to be similarly long), I wouldn't call you ramble-y at all. I understand your perspective and I frequently share it when reading elseworlds or reboots. Squadron Supreme, Watchmen, and The Ultimates 1 & 2 are all stories I'm immensely fond of. However, there is clear separation from those stories and the long-running continuity of Marvel and DC.

                I think that continuity is what transforms these comics into a modern-day mythology. I was into Greek myths as a kid and thought it was cool the way gods and other figures would reappear in different stories, forming this web of relationships. Similarly, an effort to maintain continuity has changed Marvel & DC from a handful of separate storylines into a single grand epic that allows for stories you couldn't get otherwise. The Hank Pym family tree for example is something you can only get with a multitude of different artists all contributing to a shared continuity over decades of serialized storytelling.

                Getting back to the Ancient Greece metaphor, I can still appreciate Percy Jackson of God of War reimagining these characters, but it's not like either franchise presents itself as an actual sequel to those ancient myths. Aside from Strange Adventures (which I fear will be made canon one day just due to the amount of praise it gets), King's stories are usually in-canon or vague about how canon they are. So in my eyes he is taking this framework built by his predecessors, twisting it up, and leaving it for someone else to fix while he goes to bask in the praise of his fans. I'm being dramatic here, but really, I'm so bummed that this guy is about to get his hands on Jenny Sparks.

                I sort of agree with the analogy that superhero stories are modern day mythologies - however, implicit in that idea is that these stories don't have a single canon. Ancient myths like the Greek gods were passed through generations, evolving and changing. Look at how the Greek myths influenced the Roman myths.

                I also love Elseworlds story for this reason, but I don't mind the changes made in canon for this either. Like, Frank Miller's Batman, Grant Morrison's Batman, and Tom King's Batman are all very different from one another. They are also all great in my opinion. It's hard to imagine any of them existing if the writers had to adhere to a stricter canon (even with all of Morrison's continuity inclusion, his run goes to a lot of places that a lot of modern Batman fans wouldn't expect from a traditional Batman book). A time-traveling sci-fi story does not sound like it belongs in a Batman book, but Return of Bruce Wayne is one of my favorite stories. And it was in the mainline continuity! Oftentimes, the skill of the writers is more important than the precedent created by canon.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't remember him using the victim as proof that Adam committed war crimes
                I mean why else would he think that he should investigate the possiblity adam committed war crimes on Rann if he doesn't already think Adam was the murderer on Earth. Like you said yourself Mister Terrific is trying to established motive but it comes out as a catch-22.
                >or if you have a physical copy just the issue number and I'll check on my en
                It's the fourth issue when he goes to Rann to closely investigate Adam for war crimes.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >why else would he think that he should investigate the possiblity adam committed war crimes
                Because who the victim was. The guy who was murdered in the first issue that confronted Strange at the book signing. That's why Terrific is using that to establish a motive.
                Also I just read all the Terrific sections in issue 4 and didn't see where he said he's using the murder on Earth as evidence that Strange committed war crimes. In fact, Terrific barely says anything at all in this issue. The biggest moment in the issue with him is when he confronts Alannah's father about Aleea.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ok do you not understand how that's a catch-22? He's using the murder as proof of the war crimes to prove the murder but he has no proof that adam killed the guy without the war crimes being proved true.
                >Also I just read all the Terrific sections in issue 4 and didn't see where he said he's using the murder on Earth as evidence that Strange committed war crimes
                Anon, I never said he did.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He's not using the murder as proof of war crimes. That's backwards. He's investigating the war crimes for proof of the murder. How do you investigate someone for a crime without establishing the capability of doing it? Again, it's all about establishing motive.
                >Anon, I never said he did.
                You did right here

                No it's a plot hole because he's investigating the war crimes to prove Adam killed the guy but he's already using the murder victim as proof that Adam committed war crimes.

                >he's already using the murder victim as proof that Adam committed war crimes.

                At this risk of going in circles for another hour, let me just lay down what I believe about what happened. Dude accuses Strange of war crimes at his book signing -> Strange denies war crimes-> Dude is murdered -> Strange specifically asks to be investigated -> Terrific decides to investigate -> Terrific knows that the dude accused Strange of war crimes on Rann -> Terrific decides to go to Rann to find if this is true, thereby establishing a motive for Strange to kill the dude (because the dude could reveal evidence or to hide his involvement or because he had PTSD or whatever). What part of this chain do you disagree with?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                See

                Adam could have committed war crimes but not killed the dude. There is a missing link

                The weakest link in the chain would be what links Adam to the murder, there's just no evidence to make investigating for a motive worthwhile.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Adam could have committed war crimes but not killed the dude. There is a missing link
                Well then there wouldn't be a story? I don't really understand this point. Saying X could have happened instead of Y is not a plot hole. A plot hole would be like Strange says he can control the zeta beams and then the rest of the book he can't control when he's zapped back and forth between Earth and Rann.
                >just no evidence to make investigating for a motive worthwhile.
                Again, you're looking at this backwards. You don't look for evidence for a motive. A motive is a type of evidence.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The point you're missing is there's no evidence to link Adam murdering the guy to justify Mister Terrific going over 4 lightywars to an alien planet to establish a motive by proving Adam Strange did war crimes so it comes off as Mister Terrific trying to use the murder as proof that Adam Strange did war crimes.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Well we're just repeating ourselves now. I still disagree with the framing here, but even if I did agree with it I wouldn't write off Strange Adventures completely. It still has great art, it still has a lot of intriguing elements - like Alannah's interactions with Terrific and what happened with Strange's daughter - and it still does a lot of interesting things with Strange as a character.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I would write strange adventures off just because the silver age adam strange are just that much more legit.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >A motive is a type of evidence.
                Ok but where's the evidence that Mister Terrific needs to find a motive for Adam?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You mean other than the fact that Adam specifically asks to be investigated? lol

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Investigating a motive is one of the primary ways to solve a murder because most murders don’t just happen randomly, there is a reason for it, be it love, money, trying to hide something or preventing something from happening, etc.

                If the war crime allegations aren’t true then Adam has zero reason to go out of his way to murder someone accusing him of that. The lack of motive would make the case for Adam’s innocence stronger because there is only circumstantial evidence like the guy accusing Adam and then being killer with a space gun.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >If the war crime allegations aren’t true then Adam has zero reason to go out of his way to murder someone accusing him of that.
                But that's exactly where the logic falls apart because it's backwards, Mister terrific is trying to find a motive to make Adam the murderer when he doesn't have any evidence that puts adam at the crime scene.
                There's zero reason to investigate motive because he doesn't have any proof Adam kill the guy, motive isn't proof.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Oh for…how can someone be this dense.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                See

                See[...]
                Mister Terrifc is committing a logical fallacy by using the murder as proof of war crimes to prove Adam is a murderer.

                The whole story is about mister terrific investigating adam for war crimes and not the murder, the murder is used as proof that he did war crimes and not the other way around which make the whole plot nonsensical and insubstantial.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It’s called investigating a motive. If his war crime allegations are true Adam has the motive to murder the guy. If he didn’t do war crimes there is no real motive because the guy was crazy.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                See

                Adam could have committed war crimes but not killed the dude. There is a missing link

                Mister Terrifc is committing a logical fallacy by using the murder as proof of war crimes to prove Adam is a murderer.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It’s not a fallacy. If Adam is innocent he has no reason to kill a random nutcase when he’s a galactic hero. If Adam is guilty of war crimes then he has a clear motive to silence the accuser.

                When evidence on Earth cannot make a clear case to exonerate Adam or show he’s guilty of the murder it makes absolute sense to investigate the validity of the war crime charge to establish if Adam has a motive or not.

                And once it’s clear there’s a cover up about Adam’s activities on Rann it makes Adam’s guilt of murder all the more likely because why would a celebrated saviour need to hide facts about his activities that he himself has publicly told about in his own book unless they’re false and why would other people on Rann do it for him unless they too are complicit in them.

                If Adam has the opportunity, means and motive to kill the guy, he likely did it. And he can only have a motive to kill a guy accusing him of something if he did actually do the war crimes. The simplest explanation has to be the answer.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >When evidence on Earth cannot make a clear case to exonerate Adam or show he’s guilty of the murder it makes absolute sense to investigate the validity of the war crime charge to establish if Adam has a motive or not
                Not if there's no evidence. You wouldn't be trying to find a motive that Adam killed this guy without evidence linking him to the murder in the first place.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He’s automatically the suspect because soon after Adam gets accused of something vile in public the accuser ends up dead. He’s the most obvious suspect. Validating whether or not the claim has merit is the most obvious direction to pursue because with no motive Adam has no reason to kill the person.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He's not the most obvious suspect but the only suspect because Tom King is a bad writer. Mister Terrific is using the murder as proof that Adam did war crimes which is supposed to be proof that adam killed the guy, the whole mystery plot is a catch-22.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The simplest explanation has to be the answer.
                Trying prove Adam killed this guy by proving he did war crimes on an alien planet is the literally furthest thing from simple, especially when Mister Terrific didn't even investigate the murder.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Batman and Mister Miracle are suicidal messes that slit their wrists, which directly ties into my point that he stands on the shoulders of giants and shits all over them. What’s King’s trademark paneling style? Oh yeah that other guys trademark style with zero innovations. Those authors you mentioned have reverence for what came before them. King doesn’t possess the talent required to build back up characters and if he did he wouldn’t because he hates them. His take on Batman is I Am Suicide. He’s an idiot who thinks he’s smart for deconstructing superheroes and making them swear, and you’re an idiot for defending him.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Hello, I'm not the anon you've been talking to but I would like to explain my issues with Tom King. I enjoyed Omega Men and Visions but his Batman series having such repetitive dialogue and I didn't enjoy how suicidal he made Batman, which is where I stopped being a fan. Mister Miracle and Heroes in Crisis are where I went from "not a fan" to "actively disliking" his work. They're also where I pinpointed my biggest problem with his work: he uses obscure characters and completely disregards their established characterization.

          Actually, he disregards characterization for bigger names too (A Booster Gold that doesn't understand how time travel works?), but when he "reinvents" Scott Free to be suicidal or Adam Strange to be a war criminal there's a much greater chance of that just being the standard for those characters going forward. So when I hear he's tackling less popular characters I like such as the JLI in Human Target or Warlord in Danger Street, I'm filled with dread instead of the usual joy I get when seeing these characters get attention. Usually these guys only get used if a fan finds an excuse to use them, but Tom King is obviously not a fan, or else he would have these characters actually behave like themselves. Looking back, even those early works I enjoyed had this flaw, like the retcon that Victor Mancha was always a secret drug addict.

          Anyways, those are my two cents.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >A Booster Gold that doesn't understand how time travel works

            Entirely acceptable portrayal of Booster. His most consistent and dominant trait is that he’s a bit of an idiot who doesn’t think things through and doesn’t really grasp how things work because he’s a superficial glory hound.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Moore actually towers over the shoulders he stands on, for the most part. Morrison and Ellis can be pretty good at times, but King somehow stands on shoulders and sinks beneath them. He's a phenomenally bad writer.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Don’t agree. Most King hate just comes from the typical fanboy butthurt because he wrote characters in a way that nerds can’t abide because muh continuity or muh favourite character was ruined.

            King has written good comics and he has written bad comics. People here loved King and then got mad when Batman didn’t get married and have refused to like his work since over petty fanboy rage.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Most King hate just comes from the typical fanboy butthurt because he wrote characters in a way that nerds can’t abide because muh continuity or muh favourite character was ruined.
              While that's true, it doesn't mean he was actually a good writer. It just means the criticisms have been largely misdirected. As I'm sure you're aware, people here are used to gobbling up junk and being petty.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He is a good writer. Maybe you should try reading shit that isn’t capes.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I've mostly read non-capes. King is a terrible writer.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No, King is a fricking dogshit writer.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >The Authority is about as close to a Watchmen as you can get

      hahahahahahaha

      wait

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      homosexual

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        frick you I wanted to make that exact post

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This is way too fricking close to a Planetary/Elijah Snow revival and by Tom King of all fricking people.

    He's leaving me no choice i'll have to murder him november 18 of the current year.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      the current outsiders is already doing Planetary but DC

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I would have sex with her.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    hooray another pseudo feminist crap
    thanks tom king

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      cute

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >"Let's get a pint, c**t"

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      "Throughout heaven and earth, I alone am the honored one, you c**t"

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    no idea who this is but I know it will be shit and sell like shit, too.

    frick tom king frick jim ree and frick DC

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why can no artists involved with this comic draw a union flag? This is the best one and it's still hopeless.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What are her powers exactly? Also it’s too bad every single superhero comic has to be set in America, why not have be in Britain

      Kek what the frick.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        She's functionally immortal (though it ended up being that she immediately died upon reaching one hundred years old then reincarnated as Jenny Quantum) and stopped aging around age 18.

        But her main power is the fact that she can control, absorb, manipulate, and blast electricity from her body. But she can't actually generate electricity on her own and requires a source of electricity nearby to draw it into her body to use it as a weapon.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          a little bit wrong. who powers are electric because of electricity being so common in the 1900+
          there was once a jenny fire who most likely used fire abilities and she gets reincarnated every century hence the name century babies, like elijah snow controlling cold. (something about global warming idk??)

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It's cause he was the "Ghost" of the 20th century and ghost can make things cold.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              really? frick ive read planatery like 3 times and never noticed that

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Not anime.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >bad guy is captain atom

    Goddammit I’m so fricking mad you cia piece of shit

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Captain Atom is allowed to be either a villain or a jobber.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        either/and you mean

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Captain Atom killed the Wildstorm universe
    >Now Jenny is going to kill him
    Kino

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Captain Atom killed the Wildstorm universe
      Wasn't that almost 20 years ago? I guess revenge is a dish best served cold.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Centuries is not a very long time for a culture, Zealot. Most cultures stretch back longer than that.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Who wrote that crap?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Will Pfeifer

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Captain Atom killed the Wildstorm universe
      Wasn't that almost 20 years ago? I guess revenge is a dish best served cold.

      It got better.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    A stark difference in aesthetics from east and west. You can tell what each side values more. One only cares about politico agendas, and the other selling comics. Japan is always better.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Eww she's a smoker and should be killed

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    HAHAHAHAHAHAH HOT OFF THE PRESSES “MY WONDER WOMAN IS NOT POLITICAL” HAHAHAHAHAAH TOM KING IS A FRICKING moron AND YOU ARE A moron IF YOU WERE EVER FOOLED BY HIM

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Also, it's obvious this is one of Tom King's many many many backroom scripts that he wants adapted for the DCU.

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Jenny Sparks
    Yes

    >Tom King
    No

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Adam could have committed war crimes but not killed the dude. There is a missing link

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    So... What's special about her and why couldn't we have just gotten Manchester Black?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      She's who Manchester Black was modeled after.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Manchester Black is less Jenny Sparks and more Jack Hawksmoor, as written by Millar and Brubaker.

      Jenny Sparks is a pro-active anti-hero who is defined by the fact that she's functionally immortal but horribly fricked up by a laundry list of fricked up shit she's seen and witnessed as a hero, which is why she drinks and why she has no time for heroes who are cowards and quislings willing to make moral compromises. Along with being haunted by shit like accidentally getting her best friend Adolf fricking Hitler to get into politics after he failed to get into art school and and the whole thing where she has a horrible habit of hanging out with people who do bad shit behind her back (like kill kids so they can create a patchwork corpse baby for a guy's wife, who went insane after being told her husband was sterile and couldn't get her pregnant or the guy who did PCP at a concert he and Sparks were doing security for, which led to him murdering a couple of dozen people before Jenny had to kill him to stop his rampage).

      Manchester Black is post-Ellis Jack Hawksmoor; while Ellis wrote Jack as a weepy emo guy forever complaining about alien abductions he was subjected to as a kid which left him with mutilated genitals and becoming near death if he ever left a city, Millar and Brubaker and the guy who wrote the Authority series that came between Millar and Brubaker's run, wrote Jack basically as Manchester Black was written but with huge plot armor and no one willing to frick his shit up whenever he talked shit.

      That said, Joe Kelly DID create a sister character to Manchester Black who was more or less an analogue to Jenny Sparks that debuted in JLA #100 and later led Justice League Elite, but largely disappeared off the face of the Earth after Infinite Crisis came out.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >accidentally getting her best friend Adolf fricking Hitler to get into politics after he failed to get into art school
        I like stories likes that as if Vienna wasn't also a hotbed of anti-semitism and politics.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Also like what was she doing in WW1?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            IIRC she was having steampunk battles with alien invaders from a parallel earth where blue aliens conquered the planet and discovered the ability to travel in the multiverse and raped people to make half-human/half-alien hybrids.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              isnt that the exact plot of that one authority arc with the inbred british empire from parallel earth

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That’s the backstory for Jenny’s past dealings with the Blue Albion that decided to invade our reality in 1999, which is what the Ellis era Authority story is about.

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely don't understand how he gets work at all.

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Can somebody please just kill Tom King? Frick this garbage.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      He's a glowie, he could definitely kill you

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Who gives a frick? Who wants to read it?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm dying for more WildStorm, but not like this. Real WildStorm Universe, and NO Tom King.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm dying for more WildStorm, but not like this.
        All their attempts to reboot/adapt WS material has been lackluster at best. I get hooked in every time and every time I'm disappointed.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          If it isn't the real WildStorm Universe returning, I don't bother, and DC shouldn't, either.

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >How can we convey that this character is British on every fricking page of the story?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Poppy pins

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Tom King
    Oh nice, another book I won't read.

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Neat

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I can't stop laughing at that face

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    So what's the Jenny Sparks reading

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Had me at Jeff Spokes

  40. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Written by Tom King
    Say less, already dropped.

  41. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    did they ever follow up on that superman & the authority run ? can't find any info on where that goes

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What kind of butthole would draw Midnighter without the jacket? That is almost as bad as the chin spike.

  42. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i never doubted there were paid shills on Cinemaphile for even a second but i did doubt there were chatbots here. frick me this thread, 100% without a doubt now

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This is what a robot shill would say to deflect suspicion.

  43. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm such a big WildStorm fan I hate everything Jim Lee has allowed so much. Traitor.

  44. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think King is such a bad writer. I've disliked most of his runs, and hated Mr. Miracle, but I think this has a chance to be good. I'll take it over more moronation from Scott Snyder any day of the week. This is the only DC I'll be pulling since... I don't even remember. Mozz's GL?

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