Marvel movies were hit or miss before, but now they are just straight up bad
i mean you can't expect them to just ditch the cash cow and cultural phenomenon that is the MCU, but no one gives a shit anymore after Endgame, and not only does no one care, the movies are shit.
They tried to but they got their shit pushed in pretty quickly, since it was a reboot and it outperformed spiderman's last reboot in every country in the world except China and Korea, since they were in full lockdown when The Batman came out.
It's funny how Marvelcucks used to say Aquaman only made a billion because it had no competition but now Thor has no competition and it won't make anywhere close to a billion LMAO
Exactly.
Ironman to Endgame was amazing. It had never been done before. But throwing Black Pander and bREE in where they did killed it's chance for a future afterwards.
Nobody wants to give them their heart again just to watch them break it. That trust is hard to get but once lost it can't be reearned.
I did that for 30 years, I've spent the last 10 pretending I'm the characters I see on Cinemaphile.
Neither got me laid.
But I've been much happier recently.
>Eternals made 400mil dude.
On a 200mil production. Just doubling the budget hasn't been break even for a long time. Birds of Prey made 205mil off an 85mil budget and everyone rightly considers that a flop.
What you think you mean by "make it's budget" is wrong
>Birds of Prey made 205mil off an 85mil budget and everyone rightly considers that a flop.
Everyone considers that a flop because it should have made more than Suicide Squad at 750mil.
There's accounting profit, where the movie makes more than it cost. And economic profit, where the movie earns proportional to the capital value of the IP.
What I'm saying is that they might make an accounting loss on Black Pander, not just an economic loss.
it's also because the production budget and the marketing budget are separate numbers and usually only the production budget gets disclosed so the studio can downplay the real cost of productions if needed. So sure it cost $85M to make but to market it and get that abyssmal turnout it might've cost them additional $30-100M which would be even more embarrassing of a flop for WB if the accurate full-cost gets reported.
Anon, a film doesn't just have to make back its budget, but also its marketing budget which is typically about the same as the budget itself. Then keep in mind that a film's gross partly goes to distributors, is taxed, etc. The latest James Bond movie needed to make about a billion just to break even. These super high budget corporate products need to make something like 500-600 million to not be a flop I'd say and even that is still disappointing for them.
The Hulk is actually a decent movie too. I think it just came out too soon in the MCU life and was confusing as it was a "re-quel" or whatever. They should have released in 2009 and let a little hype build and maybe put a little more stark in the movie.
There's no way Black Panther 2 is flopping though. I don't know what kind of numbers it'll do, but Im sure it's gonna profit.
>I think it just came out too soon in the MCU life and was confusing as it was a "re-quel" or whatever.
The kept it very vague and people really did think it was a sequel at the time. Hulk ends with him in South American and Incredible Hulk starts with him there. Then there's the intro of Incredible Hulk just being a very quick recap of his origin
>The Hulk is actually a decent movie too.
Nope. Norton Hulk was the big gay. >I don't know what kind of numbers it'll do, but Im sure it's gonna profit.
Yeah I don't think so. If the core audience won't show up for Thor, Black Pander with women sooking is not going to interest them at all.
Instagram and Twitter already bought their N-word passes with the first one. They don't need another one so no money there.
And facebook is just boomers now.
And certainly Cinemaphile and reddit aren't enthusiastic about it.
There's no one left except a few die hards, the black nerd crowd (all twenty of them), and the people who see everything. That's 100-150mil. Feminist Ghostbusters numbers.
>Yeah I don't think so. If the core audience won't show up for Thor, Black Pander with women sooking is not going to interest them at all.
It's like you homosexuals never learn, lmao
>It's like you homosexuals never learn, lmao
Learn what?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wakanda Forever will have a huge opening. The blacks treated it like it was the most important movie ever made that would change their lives forever. I don't think the sequel will do as well but it won't bomb
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think so. We'll just have to wait and find out.
Dude, I’m not even a /misc/ poster but it might. Black Panther getting killed off screen, being replaced with his sister that no one really seems to give a shit about and was a side character last movie.
Also the main villain is just some unproven actor from Mexico. It just reeks of stupidity.
>Disney kills Star Wars through sheer incompetence >Marvel is now quickly dying >No infinity stones gimmick to keep people watching to see what happens next
What are they going to do? They can't even rely on the parks and cruise liners to print money anymore.
>That was Warner's plan and it didn't work.
Dude this is the multiverse saga and they just saw how massively nostalgia sells even for shit people didn't like at the time like Andrew Garfield. Expect to see the FoX-men fighting Ghost rider while Chris Evans Human torch is shooting fire and Lou Ferrigno. They're gonna wheel out everything for this and all the MCU fans will squeal with delight
Wakanda will make money though. They'll plaster Boseman all over their promotional materials and people will go just to see how he's sent off. At least in NA it will be just as popular because Americans worship BBC.
Is it? From what I understand they're having "churn" problems. Which is hollywood-speak for losing almost as many subs as they're gaining. Convincing someone to sub is a lot easier that convincing them to resub. I called this very problem when they launched with back episodes of the simpsons as their flagship.
I also said that they need to focus so much more attention on Disney+ than they were, it seems to me they're holding it up as cope.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Avatar isn't Disney is it?
it is > Distributed by: 20th Century Studios
I don't think it will. I think it will be lucky to get 200mil.
picrel is her reaction when she realized there was no Civil War lead in, and no Infinity War lead out to force the audience to show up this time.
>I think it will be lucky to get 200mil.
And I think you're just going to make a lot of posts like this. Screenshot them, then continuously post them when it comes out and is a big success just to say "Can you believe these morons thought it would flop!"
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's dumb. But feel free to screencap me if you think you can gen an I told you so out of it.
they are trying to pander the Mexicans with an indigenist fantasy and at the same time to the blacks, it is safe to assume that it will break at least 750M.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mexicans don't care about race, they think they're white. Catholics care about religion and this shit ain't Catholic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
there are a frickton of indigenist larpers there, it is the new commie thing, they blame for all the shit that happens there to the Spaniards the US and whatnot, but not as much as in Peru or Bolivia that it is mostly native.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>there are a frickton of indigenist larpers there,
Yeah just like the KKK in the US. Those people don't buy movie tickets.
Peru is actually majority native American.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Peru is actually majority native American.
Yes, but culturally is just like Mexico, 90% South European > European Religion, language, architecture, most of the art too, his Nobel winner lives in Spain and writes in Spanish etc...
Leaving Ironfart in is a bigger mistake than keeping Kathleen Kennedy in charge of Lucasfilm after Solo.
It would have actually sent the right signal to the audience if they got rid of it, but they're afraid of twitter which doesn't pay for capeshit sending exactly the wrong signal to the audience.
And then there's looming disaster that is Fantastic 4. That's going to blow a 20 billion dollar hole in Disney's market cap if they even make it that far.
Are those real? No trolling please, im having a really hard time figuring out how deep down the rabbit hole we actually are. My instinct tells me some of those must be fake, but i dont know anymore
They're all real. Three of them aren't in the MCU and are cartoons but looking at it now I don't remember Armor Wars being listed for the next phase or the one after. Maybe that was cancelled?
We are getting marvel zombies and the shehulk movie is going to be birdman parody? You can understand my skepticism that marvel would greenlight “the guardians of the galaxy holiday special”.
I don't get it. WHY do you care about how much or how little money a movie makes? Everyday with these threads. Is it Taika himself who's starting them?
Zero chance. $700 million will be a stretch from here. It might match the $640 million Thor 2 made 9 years ago but with inflation that's the equivalent of about $820 million today.
Flop.
>why is this movie not doing well?
They've made like 40 MCU movies already. Obviously #41 isn't going to be as popular as the first few. All long running media franchises are like this.
>Obviously #41 isn't going to be as popular as the first few.
Wrong. The audience should be growing, not shrinking. >All long running media franchises are like this.
There aren't any. Nothing compares to the MCU, the copycats have all failed, even Disney couldn't repeat their own success with nu-Wars.
I honestly enjoyed it and it's no worse than some movies we've gotten in other Phases like GOTG2, but that's just me. Still, I feel like it's getting the full brunt of the dissatisfaction over previous MCU releases this year.
Black Widow, Eternals and Falcon and the Winter Soldier were far worse. The problem with this movie was that it just felt like a parody of an MCU film and didn't seem to respect its audience at all. So it's received the brunt of the general dissatisfaction with the MCU the general public is feeling.
Not to mention the fact that Taika has actually seemed to regress as a person and get dumber, he went from making indie kino like "Boy", to playing that annoying moron, Antwan, in Free guy.
And his stupid comments about the poor vfx, which seemed like he was trying to shift the blame from his awful jokes and crappy directing, have turned the twitter morons against him. Since they're such a loud minority they've convinced the normies not to watch it.
>turned the twitter morons against him
Twitter really doesn't matter.
The reason Cinemaphile has such a good track record with calling hits and flops is anonymity. As soon as you bring ego into it people's likes/dislikes/general opinions become a performance. Left wing, right wing, otherwise, it doesn't really matter.
But when you add in the fact Twitter and Facebook mods all got TDS, everything on Twitter is cultivated. None of that translates to a single dollar.
And you only have to look at the summergays arriving in the last few days to see how unironic they are with telling the chuds what's what. They've got no fricking clue.
It's true tho.
The israeli trolls and /misc/shitters are fricking loud and say a bunch of stupid shit just to be israelites which is the worst thing a person can be. But Cinemaphile liked Marvel, Marvel made billions.
Cinemaphile turned on Netflix, Netflix is fricking collapsing.
Cinemaphile LOVED deadpool, deadpool made a billion dollars.
Cinemaphile is the Joker, Joker made a billion dollars.
Because no ego. There's no reason to pretend you like or dislike something other than being a /misc/shitting israelite.
There's also no corporate shilling here or the type of sheep that falls for it and starts parrotting their bs.
In the subreddlt for marvel movies Love and Thunder has been already memoryholed: there is nothing about it on the frontpage.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>There's also no corporate shilling here
Oh yes there is.
There's a frickton of it.
You hang around long enough and you can spot the shills in a heartbeat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No there's not bc Cinemaphile is very niche and not prone to buy into hype. Studios don't spend money here, they go for reddlt, twitteretc
>None of this matters because Disney+ is thriving >https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=euphoria,mandalorian,loki,%2Fg%2F11fpjwxr22,%2Fg%2F11qpsdzw80
HAHAHAHHAHA OH NO NO NO
What's with the israeli grandmas invading Cinemaphile and posting about box office numbers? You will never be industry insiders, you insufferable c**ts
Very weird creature bc he tries too hard and ends up showing he knows nothing about this board, which has been discussing box office flops for years now
Us. The core audience. White incels.
It's not failing because of anything wrong with the movie itself (though gay Korg certainly didn't help), it's failing because the MCU went woke and we can't have all of it we don't want any of it.
No it isn't. It's failing because the core audience was convinced to leave after Endgame. I still haven't seen it. I'm core audience, I absolutely should have but I'm not paying for more bREE.
Are there people really try to rationalize that those who rightfully shit on Love and Thunder and the MCU in general are "DC fanboys"? Is capeshit that stultifying or are they trolling?
As a leftist I'm just glad the only Disney projects bombing are ones that star straight white males like Thor and Lightyear. Thankfully Wakanda is on track to be multi billion at the box office.
This film is already projected to make less than Doctor Strange two, and that’s with Love and Blunder having almost twice the budget. With a budget off 250 million they were 100% expecting this film to make a billion. Which is stupid, getting the Moari who’s made three good movies, with a character that only had one good solo movie, surrounded by an unlikeable cast if characters and a heavily under-utilised villlain.
It's likely to makes less domestically than the Minions, which cost a third of its bloated budget. The prime release spot it's been given definitely indicates they expected it to go over usd 1 bi
It's going to do worse than The Batman. It opened 10mil ahead and now it's 25 mil behind. Keep in mind Thor is only two hours long while Batman was 3. You can get in 3 showings of Thor for every two showings of Batman
They'll throw it on Disney+ end of august as a hail mary to see if it boosts subscriber numbers for August, we'll probably not see any more standalone Thor movies after this and Taika will see some opportunities be pulled back.
45 days. After black widow they said all MCU films get a 45day theatrical window.
Dude, I’m not even a /misc/ poster but it might. Black Panther getting killed off screen, being replaced with his sister that no one really seems to give a shit about and was a side character last movie.
Also the main villain is just some unproven actor from Mexico. It just reeks of stupidity.
>his sister that no one really seems to give a shit about
Nobody likes her. She's obnoxious. Which I get is supposed to be the "little sister" thing, but her only memorable line was calling Frodo "colonizer."
Look at the trailer, it's all voice over over establishing shots. Barely any action at all. It has zero selling points.
Very weird creature bc he tries too hard and ends up showing he knows nothing about this board, which has been discussing box office flops for years now
There's a reason people hate israelites.
Do you understand that $400M isn't net profit? now chop that number in half and you get what marvel actually gets to take home from that number.
Yes, I understand how to minus costs from revenue to get accounting profit.
>Peru is actually majority native American.
Yes, but culturally is just like Mexico, 90% South European > European Religion, language, architecture, most of the art too, his Nobel winner lives in Spain and writes in Spanish etc...
No Mexico is to Spain what the US is to England.
Peru is to Spain what Burma is to England.
>No Mexico is to Spain what the US is to England.
that would be Cuba or PR, they are basically the same as the Canary Islands people, anyhow culturally all of them are the same, Hispanics.
It felt like a parody. I really don't like Taika Waititi. He just comes across like a smug c**t. Like we should all be thankful he's even gracing us with his films
He's regressed as a film maker. Send any film maker to L.A and all of a sudden they lose all their wit and charm that made them stand out in the first place and become some cookie cutter industry man with the same politics/opinions as everyone else in their bubble. Not to mention that oscar win went straight to his head and now he thinks he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
The normies have turned against him though so it's nice to see that his ego is getting heavily checked.
Seems to happen a lot with these new directors who get a surprise hit and suddenly they're in charge of big blockbusters, where they crash and burn and are unceremoniously buried by the Hollywood. Remember Josh Trank?
The problem with the TV shows isn't that they're fatiguing as some have suggested. The problems are:
1. Weekly releases
2. More importantly they're quite shit.
Endgame was 3 hours long but was actiony and exciting for the whole three hours. A standard 6x42minute Marvel TV show is 4 hours long when binged, but it's almost entirely boring filler then a trailer for the next episode.
People point to Loki as the best one, which it kind of was, but it's also very representative in that it's quite fricking for the first 4 episodes, and even the last two episodes aren't much. As such Loki is actually their biggest mistake, that was their chance to refresh the audience's interest while also selling that big juicy Marvel audience on a Disney+ sub.
And that's not what happened. What happened instead was the audience was treated to cheap tricks to get them to sub for multiple months, which is basically telling every millenial to just pirate it, while also advertizing all Disney+ content as low effort trash. Fast forward two years later and people didn't even pirate Ms Muslim. And that's REALLY bad. Because that means the audience is done giving Disney a chance to state it's case.
Disney blew it. Past tense. It's over. It can't be saved.
2 years ago
Anonymous
loki was woke bait and switch trash and didnt even properly characterize loki, it was like rom com bullshit. frick that noise. and it was fricking boring to boot.
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Ironman to End Game wasn't even a one off. Phase 4 is tanking because of Feige's sheer arrogance. Wait until Iron Heart tanks. The fact Iron Heart is happening at all when it has never sold a fricking comic should speak volumes.
>Wait until Iron Heart tanks. The fact Iron Heart is happening at all when it has never sold a fricking comic should speak volumes.
Isn't she going straight to Disney+?
It's funny that for all the progressive shit they talk Disney know that their 'sassy ethnic girl superhero' characters like Ms Marvel and Ironheart would crash at the box office. They had to shoehorn America Chavez into a Dr Strange movie too.
Literally what wasn't generic about Spiderverse. It had everything every other shitty Marvel movie has >Shameless cameos of other MCU characters >Nostalgia baiting >Big final fight against who gives a shit, cookie cutter villains
If it didn't bring back Garfield and Toby it would have been nothing. Everything in that movie was borrowed from better movies.
I just want to throw this out there. Maybe: >a quirky, quippy, romantic comedy about terminal breast cancer
Is a bad idea? Maybe it's a bit alienating? Maybe it's incomprehensible that anyone would have greenlit a quarter billion dollars to make that?
How about another joke Cohen? Where the frick did he disappear to? From Twitter videos laughing at the VFX to complete silence when the 2nd weekend happened
I am genuinely surprised this beat Thor. Like, it just defies conventional wisdom. I was sure Thor was gonna be the smash hit no matter its quality and this was gonna be the one that struggled.
Clearly they need to put Raimi in charge of the entire MCU now. Only way forward.
i agree. how does Dr strange garner more interest than fricking Thor. but of course they can't portray Thor honestly because white males bad so his entire movie has to be another woke bait and switch "look at how stupid white people are" movie.
They under-estimated how unpopular Chris Hemsworth doing his Ghostbusters 2016 act is. I'm a big fan of Thor in the MCU and I'm probably not going to watch this one at all since I hate the shit SNL riffing he does now.
The funny thing is how people are getting hyped up for Daredevil and Blade now the same way they were getting excited for Gorr and Raimi Strange last year.
Nope. It's over for Love and Blunder.
Marvel movies were hit or miss before, but now they are just straight up bad
i mean you can't expect them to just ditch the cash cow and cultural phenomenon that is the MCU, but no one gives a shit anymore after Endgame, and not only does no one care, the movies are shit.
Endgame could have been great, they just couldn't resist ruining it. Beginning of the end, like Ted vs TedX
No. It will embarrassingly limp towards USD 700 mil.
>$700 million
>embarrassing
LOL look at this DCuck cope
It's losing to Minions anon
So? Patton made less than Love Story.
Yeah but I'm not even sure I could say Thor is better than Minions.
I have kids so I watched both. Minions is the Patton equivalent
what is a patton?
>I have kids lul
I don't think they are part of you'r bloodline.
didn't the Marvelgays of this board say the same thing about The Batman doing 770?
They tried to but they got their shit pushed in pretty quickly, since it was a reboot and it outperformed spiderman's last reboot in every country in the world except China and Korea, since they were in full lockdown when The Batman came out.
It literally has no competition
It's funny how Marvelcucks used to say Aquaman only made a billion because it had no competition but now Thor has no competition and it won't make anywhere close to a billion LMAO
The first 10 years is a once in a generation thing. I'm not even mad because they had a good run.
Exactly.
Ironman to Endgame was amazing. It had never been done before. But throwing Black Pander and bREE in where they did killed it's chance for a future afterwards.
Nobody wants to give them their heart again just to watch them break it. That trust is hard to get but once lost it can't be reearned.
have sex
How?
BE YOURSELF
I did that for 30 years, I've spent the last 10 pretending I'm the characters I see on Cinemaphile.
Neither got me laid.
But I've been much happier recently.
even raimi couldnt save dr strange, god knows he tried. that script was ass.
I have never seen a marvel movie and I never intend to. Superheros are for little children who fantasize about beating up adults.
okay
No. Not if that's the score at week 3.
Which means Cinemaphile was overestimating it's prospects. Black Pander 2 might be Marvel's first actual flop.
>Black Pander 2 might be Marvel's first actual flop.
Don't do that shit again. Besides Eternals was Marvels second flop since Hulk
Black Widow flopped
If it was just the Box office it would have but it apparently sold quite well on Disney +
That was PR cope though
Eternals made 400mil dude.
Black Widow made 380mil.
I mean actual flop, as in doesn't make it's budget.
Do you understand how profit works?
>Eternals made 400mil dude.
On a 200mil production. Just doubling the budget hasn't been break even for a long time. Birds of Prey made 205mil off an 85mil budget and everyone rightly considers that a flop.
What you think you mean by "make it's budget" is wrong
>Birds of Prey made 205mil off an 85mil budget and everyone rightly considers that a flop.
Everyone considers that a flop because it should have made more than Suicide Squad at 750mil.
There's accounting profit, where the movie makes more than it cost. And economic profit, where the movie earns proportional to the capital value of the IP.
What I'm saying is that they might make an accounting loss on Black Pander, not just an economic loss.
it's also because the production budget and the marketing budget are separate numbers and usually only the production budget gets disclosed so the studio can downplay the real cost of productions if needed. So sure it cost $85M to make but to market it and get that abyssmal turnout it might've cost them additional $30-100M which would be even more embarrassing of a flop for WB if the accurate full-cost gets reported.
You're not Robert Evans.
And you don't know how to count, congratulations.
Yes. We understand newbie.
Anon, a film doesn't just have to make back its budget, but also its marketing budget which is typically about the same as the budget itself. Then keep in mind that a film's gross partly goes to distributors, is taxed, etc. The latest James Bond movie needed to make about a billion just to break even. These super high budget corporate products need to make something like 500-600 million to not be a flop I'd say and even that is still disappointing for them.
the marketing budget is counted in the budget itself moron
>the marketing budget is counted in the budget itself
No it isn't
source?
if not you are all homosexuals.
Top Gun 2's marketing budget was 3 billion. So it's still a flop.
They're not fricking newbies is the source.
Frick off back to twitter.
I am the average capeshit loving pig. And the empire is bigger than just England.
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=movie+marketing+budget
It just says that you're HIV positive and should have a nice day.
No, it's not, moron.
Based moron
Do you understand that $400M isn't net profit? now chop that number in half and you get what marvel actually gets to take home from that number.
The Hulk is actually a decent movie too. I think it just came out too soon in the MCU life and was confusing as it was a "re-quel" or whatever. They should have released in 2009 and let a little hype build and maybe put a little more stark in the movie.
There's no way Black Panther 2 is flopping though. I don't know what kind of numbers it'll do, but Im sure it's gonna profit.
>I think it just came out too soon in the MCU life and was confusing as it was a "re-quel" or whatever.
The kept it very vague and people really did think it was a sequel at the time. Hulk ends with him in South American and Incredible Hulk starts with him there. Then there's the intro of Incredible Hulk just being a very quick recap of his origin
people don't like vague tho
>The Hulk is actually a decent movie too.
Nope. Norton Hulk was the big gay.
>I don't know what kind of numbers it'll do, but Im sure it's gonna profit.
Yeah I don't think so. If the core audience won't show up for Thor, Black Pander with women sooking is not going to interest them at all.
Instagram and Twitter already bought their N-word passes with the first one. They don't need another one so no money there.
And facebook is just boomers now.
And certainly Cinemaphile and reddit aren't enthusiastic about it.
There's no one left except a few die hards, the black nerd crowd (all twenty of them), and the people who see everything. That's 100-150mil. Feminist Ghostbusters numbers.
>Yeah I don't think so. If the core audience won't show up for Thor, Black Pander with women sooking is not going to interest them at all.
It's like you homosexuals never learn, lmao
>It's like you homosexuals never learn, lmao
Learn what?
Wakanda Forever will have a huge opening. The blacks treated it like it was the most important movie ever made that would change their lives forever. I don't think the sequel will do as well but it won't bomb
I don't think so. We'll just have to wait and find out.
Dude, I’m not even a /misc/ poster but it might. Black Panther getting killed off screen, being replaced with his sister that no one really seems to give a shit about and was a side character last movie.
Also the main villain is just some unproven actor from Mexico. It just reeks of stupidity.
>Disney kills Star Wars through sheer incompetence
>Marvel is now quickly dying
>No infinity stones gimmick to keep people watching to see what happens next
What are they going to do? They can't even rely on the parks and cruise liners to print money anymore.
>What are they going to do?
They're going to throw fricking everything at you. No Way Home was just a microcosm of what Kang and Secret Wars will be
Don't forget the got Pixar movies banned from like 50 countries.
>They're going to throw fricking everything at you.
That was Warner's plan and it didn't work.
They were worth 300bil. They should be worth a trillion. They're currently valued at 100bil.
Get woke. Go broke.
>That was Warner's plan and it didn't work.
Dude this is the multiverse saga and they just saw how massively nostalgia sells even for shit people didn't like at the time like Andrew Garfield. Expect to see the FoX-men fighting Ghost rider while Chris Evans Human torch is shooting fire and Lou Ferrigno. They're gonna wheel out everything for this and all the MCU fans will squeal with delight
>the MCU fans will squeal with delight
No. You're a dumbarse.
You overestimate the average capeshit loving pig my bong friend
No lol not a chance in hell at this point. It's not only going to make less than The Batman but The Minions that it's competing against right now
Lotta DCope in this thread
Marvel is not going anywhere, LMAO
>Wakanda Forever
>90s Nostalgia Xmen
>The Kang Dynasty
>Secret Wars
This is such a blatant pisstake.
Wakanda will make money though. They'll plaster Boseman all over their promotional materials and people will go just to see how he's sent off. At least in NA it will be just as popular because Americans worship BBC.
>Wakanda will make money
it is their Christmas movie but i think it will make not as much.
Kinda strange for Disney to step on it's own toes with two films around Christmas with blue water people.
Avatar isn't Disney is it?
Is it? From what I understand they're having "churn" problems. Which is hollywood-speak for losing almost as many subs as they're gaining. Convincing someone to sub is a lot easier that convincing them to resub. I called this very problem when they launched with back episodes of the simpsons as their flagship.
I also said that they need to focus so much more attention on Disney+ than they were, it seems to me they're holding it up as cope.
>Avatar isn't Disney is it?
it is > Distributed by: 20th Century Studios
Ahh of course.
They know that avatar 2 will be a huge flop
I don't think it will. I think it will be lucky to get 200mil.
picrel is her reaction when she realized there was no Civil War lead in, and no Infinity War lead out to force the audience to show up this time.
>I think it will be lucky to get 200mil.
And I think you're just going to make a lot of posts like this. Screenshot them, then continuously post them when it comes out and is a big success just to say "Can you believe these morons thought it would flop!"
That's dumb. But feel free to screencap me if you think you can gen an I told you so out of it.
they are trying to pander the Mexicans with an indigenist fantasy and at the same time to the blacks, it is safe to assume that it will break at least 750M.
Mexicans don't care about race, they think they're white. Catholics care about religion and this shit ain't Catholic.
there are a frickton of indigenist larpers there, it is the new commie thing, they blame for all the shit that happens there to the Spaniards the US and whatnot, but not as much as in Peru or Bolivia that it is mostly native.
>there are a frickton of indigenist larpers there,
Yeah just like the KKK in the US. Those people don't buy movie tickets.
Peru is actually majority native American.
>Peru is actually majority native American.
Yes, but culturally is just like Mexico, 90% South European > European Religion, language, architecture, most of the art too, his Nobel winner lives in Spain and writes in Spanish etc...
So Peru is like the Philippines then?
No israelite. That's dumb. Stop being dumb.
Leaving Ironfart in is a bigger mistake than keeping Kathleen Kennedy in charge of Lucasfilm after Solo.
It would have actually sent the right signal to the audience if they got rid of it, but they're afraid of twitter which doesn't pay for capeshit sending exactly the wrong signal to the audience.
And then there's looming disaster that is Fantastic 4. That's going to blow a 20 billion dollar hole in Disney's market cap if they even make it that far.
Are those real? No trolling please, im having a really hard time figuring out how deep down the rabbit hole we actually are. My instinct tells me some of those must be fake, but i dont know anymore
They're all real. Three of them aren't in the MCU and are cartoons but looking at it now I don't remember Armor Wars being listed for the next phase or the one after. Maybe that was cancelled?
We are getting marvel zombies and the shehulk movie is going to be birdman parody? You can understand my skepticism that marvel would greenlight “the guardians of the galaxy holiday special”.
Nope it's all future projects so far, there are also at least 5 to 10 undisclosed projects, probably to be revealed during D23 Expo.
Add the Deadpool, Ghost Rider, Punisher and ofc X-Men.
Nice, more flops
lmao what a fricking drop, stick a fork in this trash.
>those drops
In my local kinoplex Top Gun 2 is again projected in the big screen. Not the dinos, nor gru, nor Black person Vahalla.
Tom Cruise.
I don't get it. WHY do you care about how much or how little money a movie makes? Everyday with these threads. Is it Taika himself who's starting them?
Please just let it die.
These things take time. People definitely don't have the same interest anymore.
Zero chance. $700 million will be a stretch from here. It might match the $640 million Thor 2 made 9 years ago but with inflation that's the equivalent of about $820 million today.
Flop.
I swear me and my brother are the only ones that really enjoyed this movie.
Nah there's plenty of fricking morons around
Why are you even in the capeshit thread dumbarse?
i'm here to call people like you queers
queers
why is this movie not doing well?
what's wrong with it anons? Is it pozzed?
>why is this movie not doing well?
They've made like 40 MCU movies already. Obviously #41 isn't going to be as popular as the first few. All long running media franchises are like this.
>Obviously #41 isn't going to be as popular as the first few.
Wrong. The audience should be growing, not shrinking.
>All long running media franchises are like this.
There aren't any. Nothing compares to the MCU, the copycats have all failed, even Disney couldn't repeat their own success with nu-Wars.
>Nothing compares to the MCU
Godzilla
James Bond
Star Trek
All of them had huge audiences at the beginning and then it trailed off.
Not even close to the same thing.
The MCU is a universe. Those are just Franchises.
Multiverse of Madness made almost a billion, Love and Thunder is just boring shit
I honestly enjoyed it and it's no worse than some movies we've gotten in other Phases like GOTG2, but that's just me. Still, I feel like it's getting the full brunt of the dissatisfaction over previous MCU releases this year.
Black Widow, Eternals and Falcon and the Winter Soldier were far worse. The problem with this movie was that it just felt like a parody of an MCU film and didn't seem to respect its audience at all. So it's received the brunt of the general dissatisfaction with the MCU the general public is feeling.
Not to mention the fact that Taika has actually seemed to regress as a person and get dumber, he went from making indie kino like "Boy", to playing that annoying moron, Antwan, in Free guy.
And his stupid comments about the poor vfx, which seemed like he was trying to shift the blame from his awful jokes and crappy directing, have turned the twitter morons against him. Since they're such a loud minority they've convinced the normies not to watch it.
>turned the twitter morons against him
Twitter really doesn't matter.
The reason Cinemaphile has such a good track record with calling hits and flops is anonymity. As soon as you bring ego into it people's likes/dislikes/general opinions become a performance. Left wing, right wing, otherwise, it doesn't really matter.
But when you add in the fact Twitter and Facebook mods all got TDS, everything on Twitter is cultivated. None of that translates to a single dollar.
And you only have to look at the summergays arriving in the last few days to see how unironic they are with telling the chuds what's what. They've got no fricking clue.
>The reason Cinemaphile has such a good track record with calling hits and flops
It's true tho.
The israeli trolls and /misc/shitters are fricking loud and say a bunch of stupid shit just to be israelites which is the worst thing a person can be. But Cinemaphile liked Marvel, Marvel made billions.
Cinemaphile turned on Netflix, Netflix is fricking collapsing.
Cinemaphile LOVED deadpool, deadpool made a billion dollars.
Cinemaphile is the Joker, Joker made a billion dollars.
Because no ego. There's no reason to pretend you like or dislike something other than being a /misc/shitting israelite.
There's also no corporate shilling here or the type of sheep that falls for it and starts parrotting their bs.
In the subreddlt for marvel movies Love and Thunder has been already memoryholed: there is nothing about it on the frontpage.
>There's also no corporate shilling here
Oh yes there is.
There's a frickton of it.
You hang around long enough and you can spot the shills in a heartbeat.
No there's not bc Cinemaphile is very niche and not prone to buy into hype. Studios don't spend money here, they go for reddlt, twitteretc
I just watched the vid of him and Thompson critiquing/mocking the effects. It's dusgusting how entitled and aristocratic they sound.
None of this matters because Disney+ is thriving
>None of this matters because Disney+ is thriving
>https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=euphoria,mandalorian,loki,%2Fg%2F11fpjwxr22,%2Fg%2F11qpsdzw80
HAHAHAHHAHA OH NO NO NO
>Disney
What's with the israeli grandmas invading Cinemaphile and posting about box office numbers? You will never be industry insiders, you insufferable c**ts
Frick off back to twitter newbie.
Oy vey, nana! Your post is a box office flop.
Tourist detected
I think it might just be a screeching israelite. It's probably the same gay who posts "tranime" every time anime comes up. Certainly his MO.
Very weird creature bc he tries too hard and ends up showing he knows nothing about this board, which has been discussing box office flops for years now
Go back to E! you lying homosexual
Stop embarrassing yourself, random reddltor troony
Back to TMZ, grandma
It is extremely cringe to talk about how much money something made, I agree. I have no idea why they do it.
Who is the target audience for this flick?
My inside scoop says the target audience is moviegoers
Just regular Marvel fans
Us. The core audience. White incels.
It's not failing because of anything wrong with the movie itself (though gay Korg certainly didn't help), it's failing because the MCU went woke and we can't have all of it we don't want any of it.
>It's not failing because of anything wrong with the movie itself
lol yes it is.
No it isn't. It's failing because the core audience was convinced to leave after Endgame. I still haven't seen it. I'm core audience, I absolutely should have but I'm not paying for more bREE.
it's failing because it's another stupid woke entry in the MCU that hates its source material
>how do you do, fellow white males
people that schlick to chris hemsworth
Are there people really try to rationalize that those who rightfully shit on Love and Thunder and the MCU in general are "DC fanboys"? Is capeshit that stultifying or are they trolling?
As a leftist I'm just glad the only Disney projects bombing are ones that star straight white males like Thor and Lightyear. Thankfully Wakanda is on track to be multi billion at the box office.
>As a leftist
Stopped reading there.
Frick off to
you don't belong here.
He isn't wrong though, they have been making movies with white male protag suck on purpose
So? You want to play politics as a teamsport, the board for that is
I give zero fricks about American politics, and the MCU has way too much in it already. I watch capeshit to escape reality.
Strange World is going to flop hard
>As a leftist-ACK!
This film is already projected to make less than Doctor Strange two, and that’s with Love and Blunder having almost twice the budget. With a budget off 250 million they were 100% expecting this film to make a billion. Which is stupid, getting the Moari who’s made three good movies, with a character that only had one good solo movie, surrounded by an unlikeable cast if characters and a heavily under-utilised villlain.
It's likely to makes less domestically than the Minions, which cost a third of its bloated budget. The prime release spot it's been given definitely indicates they expected it to go over usd 1 bi
You will never be a producer
Oh noes
Don't worry Taika, they might still let you make a star wars movie but you'll have to adapt a script from the diversity council lmao
>It's going to do worse than Batman v Superman
Fricking kek, will it even reach $650m?
It's going to do worse than The Batman. It opened 10mil ahead and now it's 25 mil behind. Keep in mind Thor is only two hours long while Batman was 3. You can get in 3 showings of Thor for every two showings of Batman
They'll throw it on Disney+ end of august as a hail mary to see if it boosts subscriber numbers for August, we'll probably not see any more standalone Thor movies after this and Taika will see some opportunities be pulled back.
45 days. After black widow they said all MCU films get a 45day theatrical window.
>his sister that no one really seems to give a shit about
Nobody likes her. She's obnoxious. Which I get is supposed to be the "little sister" thing, but her only memorable line was calling Frodo "colonizer."
Look at the trailer, it's all voice over over establishing shots. Barely any action at all. It has zero selling points.
There's a reason people hate israelites.
Yes, I understand how to minus costs from revenue to get accounting profit.
No Mexico is to Spain what the US is to England.
Peru is to Spain what Burma is to England.
>No Mexico is to Spain what the US is to England.
that would be Cuba or PR, they are basically the same as the Canary Islands people, anyhow culturally all of them are the same, Hispanics.
everyone I know who has seen it hated it, this shit has awful word of mouth
I can't wait for the Captain America flop. Nobody actually gives a frick about Anthony Mackie and watching it struggle will be hilarious.
Why did this movie flop so bad? I though manchildren loved this shit
It felt like a parody. I really don't like Taika Waititi. He just comes across like a smug c**t. Like we should all be thankful he's even gracing us with his films
His films are just him wanking himself off
He's regressed as a film maker. Send any film maker to L.A and all of a sudden they lose all their wit and charm that made them stand out in the first place and become some cookie cutter industry man with the same politics/opinions as everyone else in their bubble. Not to mention that oscar win went straight to his head and now he thinks he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
The normies have turned against him though so it's nice to see that his ego is getting heavily checked.
Seems to happen a lot with these new directors who get a surprise hit and suddenly they're in charge of big blockbusters, where they crash and burn and are unceremoniously buried by the Hollywood. Remember Josh Trank?
How did this trash reach $600 million?
Even reddit doesn't care about it and those nerds love everything Marvel.
Because of inflation. 600 million worldwide is fricking nothing these days no matter how much they spin it.
Marvel is a strong brand and people liked the last one
>people liked the last one
That's a bit strong. People didn't hate the last one.
I hate capeshit and even I think Ragnarok was good one time watch.
This love and thunder looks unbearable right from the trailer.
I love capeshit, thought Ragnarok was pretty good, saw Infinity War twice, and haven't given Marvel a single dollar since Endgame.
I can't believe people still have the energy for it now that it's constant with the tv shows
The problem with the TV shows isn't that they're fatiguing as some have suggested. The problems are:
1. Weekly releases
2. More importantly they're quite shit.
Endgame was 3 hours long but was actiony and exciting for the whole three hours. A standard 6x42minute Marvel TV show is 4 hours long when binged, but it's almost entirely boring filler then a trailer for the next episode.
People point to Loki as the best one, which it kind of was, but it's also very representative in that it's quite fricking for the first 4 episodes, and even the last two episodes aren't much. As such Loki is actually their biggest mistake, that was their chance to refresh the audience's interest while also selling that big juicy Marvel audience on a Disney+ sub.
And that's not what happened. What happened instead was the audience was treated to cheap tricks to get them to sub for multiple months, which is basically telling every millenial to just pirate it, while also advertizing all Disney+ content as low effort trash. Fast forward two years later and people didn't even pirate Ms Muslim. And that's REALLY bad. Because that means the audience is done giving Disney a chance to state it's case.
Disney blew it. Past tense. It's over. It can't be saved.
loki was woke bait and switch trash and didnt even properly characterize loki, it was like rom com bullshit. frick that noise. and it was fricking boring to boot.
Why do newbies care so much about how much money some corporation makes? It's cringe.
because a successful company continues to make the same product and a failing company must adapt their product to a changing market or die, brainlet
Cool story, newbie
>muh brand loyalty
Pathetic
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Remember when Marvelcucks were confident it would outgross Top Gun?
lol is it even going to make half of Top Gun's take?
Top Gun will probably finish at 1.4B and Thor will probably end at $700M so just barely.
I remember when Cinemaphile repeatedly and consistently predicted 700-800 million.
Ironman to End Game wasn't even a one off. Phase 4 is tanking because of Feige's sheer arrogance. Wait until Iron Heart tanks. The fact Iron Heart is happening at all when it has never sold a fricking comic should speak volumes.
>Wait until Iron Heart tanks. The fact Iron Heart is happening at all when it has never sold a fricking comic should speak volumes.
Isn't she going straight to Disney+?
It's funny that for all the progressive shit they talk Disney know that their 'sassy ethnic girl superhero' characters like Ms Marvel and Ironheart would crash at the box office. They had to shoehorn America Chavez into a Dr Strange movie too.
It genuinely seems like they are sabotaging themselves. I know that sounds strange, but there must be a reason they are doing it.
>chartshitting
marvelgays truly are the kpoppers of the film industry
Spider-man should be leading the MCU and introduce x-men and fantastic 4 by next year
MCU movies since Phase 4 felt generic except Spiderman.
Literally what wasn't generic about Spiderverse. It had everything every other shitty Marvel movie has
>Shameless cameos of other MCU characters
>Nostalgia baiting
>Big final fight against who gives a shit, cookie cutter villains
If it didn't bring back Garfield and Toby it would have been nothing. Everything in that movie was borrowed from better movies.
Phase 5 will save the MCU. Black Panther is a guaranteed mega hit. Keep crying doomers
I just want to throw this out there. Maybe:
>a quirky, quippy, romantic comedy about terminal breast cancer
Is a bad idea? Maybe it's a bit alienating? Maybe it's incomprehensible that anyone would have greenlit a quarter billion dollars to make that?
jokejokejoke scene of Jane's mom dying of breast cancer jokejokejokejokejokejoke
How about another joke Cohen? Where the frick did he disappear to? From Twitter videos laughing at the VFX to complete silence when the 2nd weekend happened
I am genuinely surprised this beat Thor. Like, it just defies conventional wisdom. I was sure Thor was gonna be the smash hit no matter its quality and this was gonna be the one that struggled.
Clearly they need to put Raimi in charge of the entire MCU now. Only way forward.
i agree. how does Dr strange garner more interest than fricking Thor. but of course they can't portray Thor honestly because white males bad so his entire movie has to be another woke bait and switch "look at how stupid white people are" movie.
They under-estimated how unpopular Chris Hemsworth doing his Ghostbusters 2016 act is. I'm a big fan of Thor in the MCU and I'm probably not going to watch this one at all since I hate the shit SNL riffing he does now.
The funny thing is how people are getting hyped up for Daredevil and Blade now the same way they were getting excited for Gorr and Raimi Strange last year.