>johns leaving dc and the current justice society of america comic will end with issue 12
>it will relaunch just JSA with a new #1 and be written by tim sheridan
>young justice society book will launch alongside it and be written by jeremy adams
I dreamed this happened last night, so I am going to assume it was a premonition.
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>2024 will have a jsa centric event that will throw a bunch of dc characters back into the 1940s
nice
>being excited for Pozzed Society
Oh boy you're gonna give this shit unwarranted attention and then wonder why it won't go away
>sheridan
good god why
>Adams doing YJsa
>but Sheridan on JSA
What a fricking monkey's paw of a choice
Why is Johns leaving?
He is starting a new imprint over at Image with a bunch of other DC guys, and they are all going to be exclusive to that imprint. Tomasi, Manapul, and others are also a part of it.
Tomasi is leaving? But they just announced that they're doing some more Supersons stuff with the sons of Sinestro and Zod
Everybody is obviously going to finish their contracted work with DC, but let's be honest Sinister Sons was never going to last past a miniseries.
Tomasi asked to bring back the Super Sons, but Taylor has a chokehold on Jon, so he's leaving.
The Sinister Sons thing was probably just a trojan horse.
Who are they expecting to buy their comics. Guys who read Image and other creator owned comics and guys who read capeshit slop by jobbers like Manapul and Tomasi are mutually exclusive.
Studios to pick up the film rights. That’s what makes them money, not the comics themselves
>Guys who read Image and other creator owned comics and guys who read capeshit slop by jobbers
kirkman is the biggest name at image and he puts out trash on par with modern big 2. they will do fine over there.
Kirkman was a product of his time. He's famous for Invincible and Walking dead. Nobody has cared for his modern output.
Manapul is a better artist than any of those keyfabe homosexuals. Tomasi is a better writer than any of them.
Manapul is one of the best artists in comics today. Maybe you just have shit taste.
Maybe if he stops writing.
Are you moronic? I said "artist", imbecile.
Not that guy, but Manapul got roped up in Aquaman Earth One for like a year and a half because he was also writing it, before DC dumped it.
What is even the purpose of your post? I said Manapul is one of the best artists currently working in comics and you keep stressing that he's not a good writer (as if there are good writers in mainstream comics). You seem obsessed.
Good art is not worth watching if Manapul is writing it, which I assume will happen.
>watching
Shut up you esl homosexual
Their fans but their main objective is for their comics to get picked up by studios. Geiger already did so Johns' imprint already has a foot in the door.
People that read Image slop are the same people that read big two slop. There's a huge overlap, most of the people doing work for Image right now are or have worked at the big two.
They mostly read Image guys like Hickman, Remender or Marjorie Li, not Johns and Tomasi.
I used to have a big crush on Marjorie Liu
All three are renowned Marvel hacks.
Oh, you're a Cartoonist Cuckfaber, glad to know I can just file your opinion under "R - moron" and move on.
He's been on the outs with Lee/upper management ever since he got blamed for the Justice League movie bombing. They don't really promote his stuff anymore to the point where he seems to have last his power as draw (seriously seems like barely anybody knew what he's been doing the last year or two even as his comics were coming out). It's obvious that he's not welcome at DC anymore so frick it, he's out.
Movies based on his works flopped and Gunn is using King and Morrison's works as inspiration instead of his.
No point in pretending he cares about superhero comics if he can't get royalties from them, hence why he's trying to launch a new creator owned imprint. IIRC Geiger as already been picked up as a TV show so he's praying the rest of his imprint gets picked up.
>Movies based on his works flopped
Aquaman made a billion dollars.
>No point in pretending he cares about superhero comics if he can't get royalties from them
He wrote comics when they were the ghetto of entertainment and many were damn good. His modern output is dogshit but the revisionist history is insane here.
Tom king has never written a good comic. At least Morrison’s comics are a good basis.
But I don’t trust Gunn to do anything but what Bendis did and enter Superman’s world with a joke about his costume and utter disrespect for the character. Anything based on King’s comics is a psyop.
>when they were the ghetto of entertainment and many were damn good.
What is that supposed to mean? He only wrote comics as a gateway to tv. It's not like he was writing for some indie publisher. I don't remember a single good comic he wrote.
>if I repeat it that means it’s true
His JSA and Action Comics have absolutely nothing to do with writing for TV.
Nobody gets royalties from movies and shit anymore. Marvel always paid shit royalties while DC was better because it was a personal mission of Levitz's while he was president/publisher. Once he got booted, though, the royalty structure changed so now DC pays shit royalties as well. There's a reason that Gillen once said you make way more selling 10,000 copies of a creator-owned work than you do selling ten times as much of a work-for-hire book. The only people doing Big Two books are those who are really passionate about the characters (increasingly rare), those who are using it to advertise themselves for when they go creator owned, and those who are just doing it as a sidegig to their TV/YA novel shit.
Hollywood changes men.
We already saw this with Goyer. He went co-writing Ian Karkull, a guy who showed up like maybe 3 times prior to his arc in JSA. to saying if you know Martian Manhunter you're a virgin.
At this point it's obvious Johns does not care about comics themselves anymore. He only cares about the money he gets from his trades selling (due to movies being named after them) and characters he created being used in other media adaptations.
Johns was never a comics guy. He was always a capeshit guy.
>cape comic "volumes" are getting shorter and shorter
At some point the concept of an ongoing series will have become obsolete, Big Two will lose all shame and start publishing Giant-Size #1 issues exclusively purely because that's apparently the only thing that they can sell.
Johns' last JSA series was always gonna be a limited series
If JSA gets cancelled it will be because Johns chose so, not because sales numbers
>Tim Sheridan
I mean, I don't read DC anymore. I've been a happier man cause of it. But is this really the best they can do? Is this really the best writer for the job? Considering everything this dude has touched has caused more damage than good and to do a lot of clean up on. (Shazam, Titans) do we really need him doing a DC event? Do they know how much damage thier in for? We truly live in the end days of capeshit.
The end days happened in the 90s. This is just the aftermath
DC is desperate for anyone
On paper his resume for writing overall looks good but for comics, he just sucks
He ruined the Long Halloween adaptation with his awful changes to the plot and had a hand in that god awful Superman animated flick so nah. He’s fricking awful all around.
He made Long Halloween better tbh. Removing all the Godfather plagiarism and making that dumb twist work.
have a nice day Tim
Nah, I hated that Superman movie. He's terrible at writing original content. But he improved on a story that had already been written, which doesn't require too much talent, just not being too stupid.
>I-I’ll double down and keep baiting
No no Tim have a nice day
Im so sick of zoomers that took a writing course at community college thinking everything needs to fit their homosexual formulas.
I honestly just assume you didn’t even read the comic and just parrot what you heard some YouTuber say
This has nothing to do with any kind of formula. Ripping off entire lines of dialogue and scenes from a famous movie is bad. The twist at the end was so stupid that it was popular fan canon that it was an unreliable narrator we weren't supposed to take at face value unitl Loeb wrote The Long Halloween Special (which was actually really good) where he revealed, no he meant it exactly as he wrote it. He's a dumb guy (just look at everything else he's written) and Tim Sale's moody art fooled a lot of people into thinking he wasn't.
Tim Sheridan should kill himself.
The amount of writers that actually give a shit about the JSA can probably be counted on one hand.
>But is this really the best they can do? Is this really the best writer for the job?
Out of their stable of writers, he might as well be. Somebody listed all the writers they have left after Ghost Machine robs Johns and the list was depressing as frick.
DC desperately needs to get new talent with some actual talent, but they have no mechanisms in place for finding any.
>JSA with a new #1 and be written by tim sheridan
Oh great, more gay Alan virtue signaling. How did this guy get so much traction at DC when his work is underselling hack shit and lacks any sort of seniority in any publishing house?
Im annoyed that Geoff didn't get to relaunch Legion with a decent team after Bendis ruined it.
But Geoff will be back
>But Geoff will be back
lol lmao even
I think that's what people said about Todd when he left Marvel for Image
>I think that's what people said about Todd when he left Marvel for Image
How much money did Todd make off of Spawn? He's pretty rich if I recall.
I kind of doubt Geoff will be selling a million copies of his stuff
and im not saying Todd was putting out amazing work, he lucked out timing wise.
Geoff isn't that lucky (the entire industry isn't that lucky)
If we want to be realistic most of Todd's Spawn money even in the 90s came from licensing and selling merch, Spawn hasn't cracked the top 50s since like 99 last I recall and his fortune has come from McFarlane Toys and freelance design
Johns' Legion would have been terrible going by the Lightning Saga which is the status quo used for the Retroboot which was also bad. It just would have been terrible in a different way than Bendis.
I literally just want the Lightning twins un-blacked and re-gingerfied. Johns is probably the only writer at DC who'd want to do that and has the clout to get away with it.
But Retroboot was actually good, it was only after the trilogy when Levitz took them over did it start to suck
Geoff johns is like: I need to leave DC to work on my dream project
>dream project is just GI Robot
They're literally reworked ideas he had for a DC imprint that never materialized
Junkyard Joe is GI Robot
Geiger is Nuclear Knight
Not sure who Redcoat was supposed to be
*Atomic Knight
Redcoat was immortal man I think
Johns was supposed to get his own DC imprint to revive obscure characters like GI Robot, then DC dropped it. The only reason he started his Mad Ghost line was to use those pitches DC had thrown out.
I don't see why they needed an imprint. I'm sure Geoff doing a GI Robot miniseries would have done okay numbers.
>I don't see why they needed an imprint
i think it was supposed to be one of those pop-up imprints like young animal or wonder comics was, where you have one creator in charge of a small line of books. not a full on imprint like a vertigo.
wonder why DC didn't give him one then when they were giving them to everyone else, even stephen King's son got an imprint
That DC imprint, "The Killing Zone", was first announced at SDCC 2018, but no subsequent important updates ever since until early in the pandemic when Johns denied its premature death. That imprint's fricked anyway due to the pandemic and staff changes at DC.
Also Mad Ghost is his TV/film production company.
That pop-up imprint phenomenon didn't survive Zaslav with the Sandman Universe line still active
very funny tim sheridan has become a huge public enemy on Cinemaphile bc he drew the write Alan Scott's miniseries straw
moron
He’s never written anything good and the Alan Scott shit is offensive. Why would anyone do anything but hate on the dude?
Well anon if we're not just ragebaiting for (You)s and are being deliberately dim, he's been on Cinemaphiles hate list bare minimum for about 2 years since Titans Academy which was such a colossal clusterfrick that I'm shocked they're even giving him more work. Virtue signaling sbout Alan (which wasn't even a retcon he came up with) is just putting him back on the radar
Maybe Venditti will do a Tales of the JSA miniseries set in the 40s.
It's crazy to me how DC kept rejecting John's pitches. Isn't he like super popular? Why would you let him do a Watchmen sequel then reject all his other ideas? Scott Kolins revealed the other day that he and Johns proposed a Flash Rogues regular series and DC turned it down.
Johns has a high page rate, any established talent does. The reason the Big 2 is made up of almost entirely Z-list talent nobody likes is because they work for pennies. Marvel and DC need to cut costs because their comics don't sell, but instead of shrinking the line and investing in talent that sells they are dropping popular creators and replacing them with nobodies. Marvel and DC need to publish 60+ comics a month because they just do okay.
And yet they could get better writers like me for cheaper. They just don’t want us.
>inb4 I’m sure you could do better anon
I’m sure a fricking cadaver could do better than anyone at DC but I’m an actual writer with a clear skill gap above these losers and a vast ocean of difference between how much passion I have for the characters.
They don’t want us.
I'm sure you would be worse though. And I'm also sure you never applied to be rejected, this in top of you never writing anything for money in your life
>inb4 but bro bro I read so many superhero comics, I basically have them memorized by issue number
The industry doesn't need more of you.
What you’re looking for is for me to doxx myself for the joy of having you agree I’m a good writer.
I don’t particularly care about your opinion, im sick of hearing there are no writers left for DC to hire other than homosexuals, men in dresses and women who want to ruin everything they touch.
Most of the name writers nowadays are people like Hickman, King, and Ewing so it's not like they're any better than the Z-listers. If you're going to hire shit then it may as well be cheap shit.
By 2011 Johns had too much on his plate. IIRC back then he said he could only handle two ongoings at a time. First he had JL and Aquaman while working on Batman Earth One here and there, then BEO came out and he left Aquaman, he turned his attention to JL and Forever Evil, then just had JL and BEO once Forever Evil was over.
And then he hasn't been able to get a single book out on time by himself since the Rebirth oneshot. Doomsday Clock too so long to come out it outright ruined Rebirth, Shazam had delays just about every single issue, JSA has taken a year to get 6 issues out, etc. Flashpoint Beyond only came out on time because he had Adams and Sheridan doing most of the actual scripting, and the Stargirl mini only came out on time because he and Nauck had been working on it since fricking 2021.
Then Adams and Sheridan I can see taking over JSA
Obviously, they're writing 2/3 of the JSA minis, with Venditti writing the last one, meaning Johns was cool with his Hawkman book and probably trusts him.
Sauce on the Rogues regular series?
I’m glad John’s brought back a permanent Helena Wayne to DC. So now we can have Bruce’s sexy daughter alongside sexy Sicilian version and coexist.
Also created waifus for the following DC IPs:
Dr Fate: Salem the Witch girl
Miss America: Betsy Ross and Molly Pitcher
Human Bomb: Cherry Bomb
Red Bee: Ladybug
Jay Garrick: Judy Garrick
Brought back Little Miss Red Head.
I’m sure Todd brought back Secret
Reboot coming and Scott Synder somehow managed to be in charge of it again.
Snyder is Johns Shockwave and Soundwave, so he is loyal to the end.
If anything, Marvel will snatch Johns to work for them but keeping his ties with Image becausew it is obvious that cebulksi and the rest of the OMD gays will be fired next year once the cuts happen, all of the marvel line right now reeks of Filler for something big happening in 2024
Jim Lee being a homosexual, who is still anal over N52 bombing and people bashing him for killing Caitlyn Fairchild and the OG Gen13
Well we already know Tom Brevoort is becoming the X-Men editor.
>Snyder is Johns Shockwave and Soundwave
What the frick are you talking about? Scott Snyder has never collaborated with Geoff Johns like you're impyling.
Snyder was part of HEAT
That doesn't make him buddy with geoff johns especially when so much of Snyder's own work ignored and even contradicted Geoff John's contributions to DC.
Scott Snyder isn't working with Johns he's working with Jim Lee as it's pretty obvious Jim lee was always the guy championing Snyder's Dark Multiverse saga.
Why didn’t Geoff create a Hourgirl or Sandgirl waifu when he had the chance?
Extremely hilarious to see people argue if the Long Halloween adaptation is better than the comic, they're both pedestrian lmao
Tim Sheridan should kill himself.
holywood tainted geoff johns, what a shame!
>Owning your creations bad
Making comics or characters with the sole purpose of getting picked up by a studio is bad, yes.
It's why 75% of Image's books from 2012-2018 were shit and never got past ~10 issues, everybody wanted their book to be the next TWD and when studios didn't option it, they stopped caring about it by the second volume and put it on a "hiatus". Hell it's why Bennett and Aftershock shilled Animosity so hard, it was optioned early on by Legendary so they made spin off books and kept the main one going until #28 despite all of them selling and reading like shit.
comicbooks > "cinema"
Needs to bring back Cyclone and Judomaster before he leaves
Why did John’s bring back The sidekicks of Joirman, Blue Beetle and Mr Scarlet.
No one gives a damn about Mr Scarlet, so Pinky a waste.
Jaimie Reyes is Blue Beetle legacy so no reason to bring Sparky back.
Hourman legacy already has Rick Tyler plus the Android Hourman.
We didn’t need Tick Tock.
And finally, why bring back Boy Nlue and the Blue Boys. We only needed Little Miss Redhead.
I don’t mind the Newsboy Legion clones but that’s too many worthless
white body sidekicks.