It seems like it could be ADHD considering Jonas could never keep his focus on a project for longer than the prototype or intial tests bfore going off and doing somthing else.
The nassicism and fame just meant he never had to think about the consequences.
He's shitheel who's been rewarded for everything he's ever done in his life so he doesn't understand that anything he can do is bad.
>Venture Bros was cancelled before we got a bunch of poorly done montages of Jonas with Maruex blaring
I guess sometimes dead is better.
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I think its fitting that the world's hero managed to be worse than most Guild villains. All of the OG Venture crew are awful people. Really shows that the Guild and OSI are 2 sides of the same coin
I think it's funny how the show kind of went out of its way to rehabilitate Action Man and made that partially Jonas' fault too.
Let'e be honest here, Jonas was never going to be a good guy from the bery beginning. Any person who raised Rusty into the bitter, self-hating, pathetic man he was at the start of the series, has to be god-awful parent.
Yeah but there was always enough ambiguity between "he tried but was a moron who didn't realize adventuring was bad for a kid and only wanted the best" and "will force Rusty to sit in therapy sessions with him, just so he can tell Rusty what an ungrateful shit he is" Jonas was always going to be a bad parent, but the depths of it weren't kow yet.
I really think it's this one. Jonas knew most of the people dressing up were just acting like children. Rusty said as much during the 2nd Guild and OSI summit meeting.
Imagine being a genius with no powers, but you're able to get humans with godly powers to get in your pool and splash around making them look like idiots, and both sides agree how amazing you are.
You would get an ego the size of the planet as well,
This. It was kind of disappointing because the "good to society, terrible at his personal life." Jonas is way more interesting than the monster he ended up being.
The dad Rusty genuinely misses and wishes he could see again doesn't match up with the creature we get in the last season, even if you excuse being trapped in the PROBLEM as driving him mad.
>The dad Rusty genuinely misses and wishes he could see again doesn't match up with the creature we get in the last season
Even abuse victims love their parents, anon. For all the shit Jonas put Rusty through, he was still has father and the only constant parental figure in his life outside of HELPR. Of course he missed his father, it was all he had. Even if all you had wasn't good, it was still all you had.
>Jonas is way more interesting than the monster he ended up being
Season 3 showed that he left a bunch of children to die under the Venture Compound and never went back for them.
I did notice a sort of Family Guy-esque transformation from quirky and funny to depressing and depraved as the seasons went by.
Season 1 Jonas seemed like a typical over the top classic pulp hero. Season 2 Jonas looked like he did genuinely want to be a father figure and had good intentions. Then season 3 made him into an aloof, uncaring self centered individual. After that he became more depraved and assholish until he is basically the world's greatest monster by season 9.
Overall Jonas seems more like a classic Hollywood celebrity type. Has a public face as the hero and nice guy but away from the camera it's all coke parties, hookers, and scandal. Later seasons paint him as just another amoral scientist that is more interested in the experiment and discovery than laws, morality, or anything limiting him. He just does not put on a costume and call himself any code names. Plus he does want that amoral shit to be hidden away and maintain his public persona as America's greatest genius savior.
This. It was kind of disappointing because the "good to society, terrible at his personal life." Jonas is way more interesting than the monster he ended up being.
The dad Rusty genuinely misses and wishes he could see again doesn't match up with the creature we get in the last season, even if you excuse being trapped in the PROBLEM as driving him mad.
I think its fitting that the world's hero managed to be worse than most Guild villains. All of the OG Venture crew are awful people. Really shows that the Guild and OSI are 2 sides of the same coin
>he didn't watch The Inamorata Consequence
Also, in the first episode Mr. Brisby revealed he knew Jonas had dabbled in cloning and the Learning Beds were later revealed to be one of Jonas's inventions as well. Rusty also met all of the clone medical conditions that Ben listed out in A Very Venture Halloween and it does explain the memory gaps from his childhood.
I wonder what difference led to the more self-assured and confident alternate dimension Rusty? Jonas being a better father? Jonas not being in Rusty's life? A presence of a mother?
Well he's not bald, Jonas was probably a decent enough father to not get him killed (and the cloned) or didn't raise him at all.
>Rusty died at least two or three times
I don't remember that. I knew he was a clone as he used the Blue Morpho's wife as the incubator for Rusty and Monarch. When Dean brings up him being a clone of himself Helper 2 may have thought he was referring to Monarch who's the other clone as he thought he was talking to Rusty the whole time.
It has never really been stated that he actually died, but there is a lot of implied kidnappings and other villain events that led to Rusty having bad PTSD. With a lot of Guild rules about care for hostages being named after him. So with the amount of times Hank and Dean have died, it's assumed that Rusty might have gotten killed at least once or so.
Why else would Jonas work on a clone farm in the basement?
Literal psycho. The public loved him because he was like Patrick Bateman to them. Entertaining to watch, but not someone you'd want to know personally.
He was a man of science with loose morals and just a generally terrible parent.
He would have been a full blown supervillain and big problem for everyone involved if he wasn't selling half his ideas to the government and doing science just because he can. He lacked the motivation to be truly good or evil.
I wonder what difference led to the more self-assured and confident alternate dimension Rusty? Jonas being a better father? Jonas not being in Rusty's life? A presence of a mother?
Bunch of replies saying about his hair is likely a certain factor however, it seems like a surface explanation. Question is why is he bald in on universe and not the other? Perhaps that is due to not being a stressed boy adventurer in the other universe.
>Question is why is he bald in on universe and not the other?
Premature balding is a side-effect of cloning, this was stated in A Very Venture Halloween.
>he didn't watch The Inamorata Consequence
Also, in the first episode Mr. Brisby revealed he knew Jonas had dabbled in cloning and the Learning Beds were later revealed to be one of Jonas's inventions as well. Rusty also met all of the clone medical conditions that Ben listed out in A Very Venture Halloween and it does explain the memory gaps from his childhood.
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Well he's not bald, Jonas was probably a decent enough father to not get him killed (and the cloned) or didn't raise him at all.
Maybe his clone did not absorb Jonas Jr leading to weird dreams that led to Rusty having a pill addiction that led to other emotional issues and self destructive tendencies down the road.
The show could never make much hype when seasons are really short and only come out once every few years. Waiting 3-4 years for about 7 episodes really kills hype.
Let'e be honest here, Jonas was never going to be a good guy from the bery beginning. Any person who raised Rusty into the bitter, self-hating, pathetic man he was at the start of the series, has to be god-awful parent.
It's the difference between "oblivious and short-sighted" to "genuine supervillain".
In the earliest seasons you could chalk up Jonas's behavior to generational differences (he was a man of the Fifties) his confidence, and lack of empathy. Then you learn what happened to the Blue Morpho and suddenly you realize that all those tragic accidents might not have been so accidental
Same problem with Jonny Quest’s dad, he was so successful that he didn’t give a shit about his son.
It seems like it could be ADHD considering Jonas could never keep his focus on a project for longer than the prototype or intial tests bfore going off and doing somthing else.
The nassicism and fame just meant he never had to think about the consequences.
He genuinely did not for other people's thoughts and feelings. Even if what
is true. He never cared about his friends or his child beyond what use they gave him. An American Psycho
He's shitheel who's been rewarded for everything he's ever done in his life so he doesn't understand that anything he can do is bad.
>Venture Bros was cancelled before we got a bunch of poorly done montages of Jonas with Maruex blaring
I guess sometimes dead is better.
I think it's funny how the show kind of went out of its way to rehabilitate Action Man and made that partially Jonas' fault too.
Yeah but there was always enough ambiguity between "he tried but was a moron who didn't realize adventuring was bad for a kid and only wanted the best" and "will force Rusty to sit in therapy sessions with him, just so he can tell Rusty what an ungrateful shit he is" Jonas was always going to be a bad parent, but the depths of it weren't kow yet.
>I think it's funny how the show kind of went out of its way to rehabilitate Action Man
Action Man killed a baby once.
IT WAS A GODDAMN WEREWOLF!
sweet little baybeh
He lived in a world where people with godlike powers play dress up and pretend. He was the only one who saw his world as it was.
I really think it's this one. Jonas knew most of the people dressing up were just acting like children. Rusty said as much during the 2nd Guild and OSI summit meeting.
Imagine being a genius with no powers, but you're able to get humans with godly powers to get in your pool and splash around making them look like idiots, and both sides agree how amazing you are.
You would get an ego the size of the planet as well,
The show made him progressively more evil.
This. It was kind of disappointing because the "good to society, terrible at his personal life." Jonas is way more interesting than the monster he ended up being.
The dad Rusty genuinely misses and wishes he could see again doesn't match up with the creature we get in the last season, even if you excuse being trapped in the PROBLEM as driving him mad.
>The dad Rusty genuinely misses and wishes he could see again doesn't match up with the creature we get in the last season
Even abuse victims love their parents, anon. For all the shit Jonas put Rusty through, he was still has father and the only constant parental figure in his life outside of HELPR. Of course he missed his father, it was all he had. Even if all you had wasn't good, it was still all you had.
>Jonas is way more interesting than the monster he ended up being
Season 3 showed that he left a bunch of children to die under the Venture Compound and never went back for them.
That was a better written Fallout Vault than anything Bethesda ever came up with.
Only for his son to come back and finish the job.
I did notice a sort of Family Guy-esque transformation from quirky and funny to depressing and depraved as the seasons went by.
Season 1 Jonas seemed like a typical over the top classic pulp hero. Season 2 Jonas looked like he did genuinely want to be a father figure and had good intentions. Then season 3 made him into an aloof, uncaring self centered individual. After that he became more depraved and assholish until he is basically the world's greatest monster by season 9.
Overall Jonas seems more like a classic Hollywood celebrity type. Has a public face as the hero and nice guy but away from the camera it's all coke parties, hookers, and scandal. Later seasons paint him as just another amoral scientist that is more interested in the experiment and discovery than laws, morality, or anything limiting him. He just does not put on a costume and call himself any code names. Plus he does want that amoral shit to be hidden away and maintain his public persona as America's greatest genius savior.
I think its fitting that the world's hero managed to be worse than most Guild villains. All of the OG Venture crew are awful people. Really shows that the Guild and OSI are 2 sides of the same coin
Why did Sgt Hatred become progressively more of a clown? Once Brock got back, he became a punching bag. Its like writers suddenly hated him
I think they were just done with him but liked him too much to do something like kill him or just tell him to frick off.
You think the writers would really be afraid to take risks like that?
ADHD, no morals, and little no no empathy.
Narcissistic psychopath.
Imagine Trump but with a genius-level IQ
Damn
I wish Jonas was president.
>Do you know how much power I'd have to give up to become president?
He legit brought his friend back to life as an emotionless cyborg and apparently Rusty died at least two or three times
>apparently Rusty died at least two or three times
when did this happen? rusty's not a clone
The Red Helpr episode reveals the Helpr knows Dean's a clone before revealing that he thought Dean was Rusty.
>he didn't watch The Inamorata Consequence
Also, in the first episode Mr. Brisby revealed he knew Jonas had dabbled in cloning and the Learning Beds were later revealed to be one of Jonas's inventions as well. Rusty also met all of the clone medical conditions that Ben listed out in A Very Venture Halloween and it does explain the memory gaps from his childhood.
Well he's not bald, Jonas was probably a decent enough father to not get him killed (and the cloned) or didn't raise him at all.
>Rusty died at least two or three times
I don't remember that. I knew he was a clone as he used the Blue Morpho's wife as the incubator for Rusty and Monarch. When Dean brings up him being a clone of himself Helper 2 may have thought he was referring to Monarch who's the other clone as he thought he was talking to Rusty the whole time.
It has never really been stated that he actually died, but there is a lot of implied kidnappings and other villain events that led to Rusty having bad PTSD. With a lot of Guild rules about care for hostages being named after him. So with the amount of times Hank and Dean have died, it's assumed that Rusty might have gotten killed at least once or so.
Why else would Jonas work on a clone farm in the basement?
For himself once it had been perfected. Rusty would clearly be the test subject.
To clone himself. He might as well have used Rusty as a guinea pig.
Literal psycho. The public loved him because he was like Patrick Bateman to them. Entertaining to watch, but not someone you'd want to know personally.
He was a man of science with loose morals and just a generally terrible parent.
He would have been a full blown supervillain and big problem for everyone involved if he wasn't selling half his ideas to the government and doing science just because he can. He lacked the motivation to be truly good or evil.
People ask who is the mother of Hank and Dean - who is the mother of Rusty?
Almost certainly Force Majeure, the old guild boss.
I wonder what difference led to the more self-assured and confident alternate dimension Rusty? Jonas being a better father? Jonas not being in Rusty's life? A presence of a mother?
It was the hair
One was prematurely bald.
It was the hit show on Broadway.
He's rusty.
That raises questions around what Monarch is like from that dimension.
Either even more dangerous as a supervillain or ally to Rusty as the anti-hero Blue Morpho II.
Bunch of replies saying about his hair is likely a certain factor however, it seems like a surface explanation. Question is why is he bald in on universe and not the other? Perhaps that is due to not being a stressed boy adventurer in the other universe.
>Question is why is he bald in on universe and not the other?
Premature balding is a side-effect of cloning, this was stated in A Very Venture Halloween.
That would suggest Earth-2 Rusty never went on adventures and/or was better treated by Jonas.
Yes, that's pretty much what I posted in
Maybe his clone did not absorb Jonas Jr leading to weird dreams that led to Rusty having a pill addiction that led to other emotional issues and self destructive tendencies down the road.
>movie's finally out in less than three weeks
>zero hype
what went so damn wrong?
Venture Bros has always had a relatively small audience.
The show always had nearly zero hype and had to build it up from zero after every single several year wait for increasingly small seasons.
The show could never make much hype when seasons are really short and only come out once every few years. Waiting 3-4 years for about 7 episodes really kills hype.
I like Apple Mummy better.
Success in the general public fed His narcissism.
Everyone everywhere praised him as a genius hero greatest man on Earth who could do no wrong. Eventually he also assumed he could do no wrong.
Afraid of dying and his quest for immortality drove him mad
Let'e be honest here, Jonas was never going to be a good guy from the bery beginning. Any person who raised Rusty into the bitter, self-hating, pathetic man he was at the start of the series, has to be god-awful parent.
He was already shown using his son as a test subject in season one and Rusty was shown popping pills in response to the memory.
Jonas Jr. 's biggest advantage was NOT being raised by his sociopath of a father
And yet spent most of his independent life chasing his shadow. Tragic
It's the difference between "oblivious and short-sighted" to "genuine supervillain".
In the earliest seasons you could chalk up Jonas's behavior to generational differences (he was a man of the Fifties) his confidence, and lack of empathy. Then you learn what happened to the Blue Morpho and suddenly you realize that all those tragic accidents might not have been so accidental
I still have hope!!!!