Which one is better? Infinity War, The Avengers and Iron Man are their best films and none of them were as ambitious or technically/artistically impressive as this, even if there were a few misses writing-wise.
>and none of them were as ambitious or technically/artistically impressive as this
This film is as impressive as The Mandalorian. That is to say not impressive at all. They used the Volume tech for everything.
>were as ambitious
This was literally a soulless movie where the studio just tried to copy the things that worked before for them but with none of the understanding of what made it work. This is Nolan's shit but worse.
I think it's a little campier than Nolan's Batman films and aesthetically it's closer to the Animated Series as well. I think there's potential if they don't try and take it in a super self-serious and gritty direction, but I already think it's more cartoonish than the previous films since Schumacher, for better or worse.
To add, I like that's taking itself just seriously enough while still doing the camp thing and not making it too obvious (like the MCU does with the constant ironic winking at the audience). It might filter a lot of people at first, but I think if they can tighten up the script and drop the pop politics next time, it will be much more of a success.
It's a little shaky at times, bust mostly yes. They have a cringe ass line about white, privileged buttholes in it, but Catwoman is the one who says it and Batman sorta proves her wrong.
I do, every day, cope with my disappointment in the film taste of Cinemaphile. This movie sucked ass in every way. It was aggressively, hilariously awful.
The first half is very good and the fights look great, the second half is not as good, Paul Dano’s Riddler is devoid of a uniquely identifiable personality, and there’s only two cool action moments at the end that are each about 10 seconds long
In Nolan's movie you get to see all the preparation, resources, and sheer willpower it takes to lead such an extreme double life. You feel how exhausting it must be when Alfred forces him out of bed in order to attend meetings and maintain his playboy persona. This new Batman is just moody and lame. He doesn't have the same relentless drive and obsession. He would just roll-over in bed and tell Alfred to frick off.
I like a moody Batman. Bale’s Batman is just gigachad, which Batman is, but his only sources of torment are external.
If left to himself, he’s just a happy go lucky charismatic billionaire.
Batman should be dark and brooding and Bale IMO didn’t capture it.
>brooding and Bale IMO didn’t capture it.
If they cast a real hottie as rachel instead of that grannie we might have gotten some romantic tragedy going
>If left to himself, he’s just a happy go lucky charismatic billionaire.
Bale's Batman is a restless and self-destructive maniac. The only thing keeping him together is Alfred.
Somehow it feels like less than what we got from Pattinson. It doesn’t bleed over into his public life as Bruce Wayne as it does for Pattinsons. He can barely hob nob whereas Bale always has like three super models with him
>It doesn’t bleed over into his public life as Bruce Wayne as it does for Pattinsons.
That's because Pattinson did a shit Bruce Wayne that was no different than the Batman persona. An one note acting.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bales only problem was the voice but other than that he's best onscreen Batman. Plus he actually workout for the role. Pattison looks like knighting larping. Also pattison is too moronic to be Bruce. I don't about my families legacy" - >Oh my dad did a bad thing once now i'm sad now
Terrible batman.
Better Wayne and Batman than Bale. He had a better presence than Bale in suit, and acted as a better Wayne with actual scars.
You want one note, talk about playing a playboy over and over again while having no personality outside of it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Better Wayne and Batman than Bale
Shit Batman that sucks at fighting and detective, and shit Wayne because his Wayne isn't even a proper character. It was a boring and one note acting delivered by Pattinson because the director is a hack.
This is how every scene plays out with Pattinson in this movie, cowl or no cowl >looks down as if he is about to cry >looks to the corner of the screen as if he was thinking of something in an attempt not to cry >then look directly at the screen as if he was paying attention to something >eyes starts to water again as if he was about to cry again
WOW, such great acting.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Good at fighting since he defeats everyone that fights him, good detective since he solves every mystery put in front of him, and good Wayne because it actually showed what a real Bruce Wayne would be like without doing the same cringe thing Bale and Affleck did.
If you can't see how great Pattinson's performance is, you either have autism or didn't even watch the movie.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shit at fighting because he just does the same moves over and over again and is a lardass because he is slow as frick and all the fights are boring. The invincible suit is the only thing carrying him. Otherwise he would be dead ten times over. He is a shit fighter.
Shit detective because he was unable to save anyone and couldn't stop anything the Riddler did. Most of the time you've Alfred, Gordon, and Catwoman handing all the clues to him. Catwoman is the one to find all the truth about the corruption by kidnapping the convenient as frick corrupt cop that knew everything. If it wasn't for that Batman would still be going around blindly being duped by everyone.
Shit fricking Batman and shit movie. Don't respond back to me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's brutal and quick and the suit helps. That's what Batman has always been.
He couldn't have stopped what Riddler was doing even if he tried because the bombing happened literally two hours later, not enough time to stop the vans, but the definition of a detective is someone who solves mysteries. And Batman does that. Alfred and Penguin give his suggestions, they don't solve shit.
Catwoman couldn't have solved shit without Batman. Rewatch the movie. It's the best Batman.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bitch, i told you not to respond back.
What i said about the movie is the truth. the movie fricking sucked and Pattinson was wasted on the character because the director is a hack. The fight scenes weren't brutal. The movie is PG as frick. The fights were fricking boring. You've Pattinson moving slow as frick and doing the same punch, punch, throw, punch when down shit over and over again. It is boring as frick.
Now shut the frick up and don't even attempt to try and respond me in your eternal cope trying to defend a shit as frick movie.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I replied back. Frick you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah? Frick you
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah. Frick you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and good Wayne because it actually showed what a real Bruce Wayne would be like without doing the same cringe thing Bale and Affleck did.
People keep pushing this nonsense each batman movie, you gays were saying the same with begins, but now you're saying the same about The Batman. So the next reboot will you being saying the same and shitting on Pattison?
Pattison is now the best Batman, but people say this every batman movie.
Batman 89 Keaton best Batman
Begins-TDK - Bale best Batman
BVS- Affleck best Batman
The Batman- Pattison best batman (So grounded)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Affleck’s Batman was such wasted potential. I much prefer a live action Batman that can actually interact with other DC heroes rather than being restricted to his own separate universe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The fat homosexual fricking sucked.
There was no wasted potential
2 years ago
Anonymous
Either way I still want a live action Batman that interacts with other superheroes rather than being walled off.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No offense but what personality did Pattison have? He was just depressed emo kid. Would be nice they actually let Pattison act in the next movie, otherwise he's going to get exposed as one note.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Here's his personality that the film clearly shows: He's a broken man practically defined by his childhood tragedy who deep down cares for those he loves but can't show it due to fear of loss. He can't get into being the Bruce the world wants him to be because he doesn't feel it'll make a difference, so instead he uses his torment and rage to fight crime. This rage funnels through a childlike perception of vengeance, which he can feel isn't changing anything, but can't let go of due to his hurt. He eventually learns that in order to make a difference he must help others instead of helping himself. He goes from selfish to selfless.
Bale's Bruce is: My parents died I'm sad and angry but halfway through the movie I learn to be perfect at everything.
Which is the better Bruce in terms of characterization?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Here's his personality that the film clearly shows:
WHITE RICH GUYS BAD, TOXIC WHITE MALES BAD, BATMAN NEEDS TO LEARN ABOUT DEM PROGRAMS
He has more determination and obsession than Bale did. Bale did just roll over in bed. "Bats are supposed to be nocturnal Alfred," he says as he puts a fricking pillow over his face to block out light.
Meanwhile, Pattinson is up and about, putting shades on to block sunlight. He's not too tired to do business, he just doesn't care. Pattinson is more the chad than Bale is. Bale goes to work and sleeps. Pattinson says frick work, I'm gonna go kick ass and investigate.
>Pattinson says frick work, I'm gonna go kick ass and investigate.
Both things that he doesn't do in his own movie. He gets his ass handed to him by lowly thugs and can't figure shit out by himself. He can only paint his eyes like some homosexual and cry.
Because he’s young and inexperienced. It was refreshing to see someone actually swing at him from behind, it connects, and you can tell it hurts him. Bales Batman is too god mode
>Because he’s young and inexperienced.
He had a whole year to get better. He just fricking sucks because the plot demand for Batman to be stupid and bad due to the whole anti-white male rethoric.
>Bales Batman is too god mode
The same batman that got rekt by Scarecrow?
And Raz
2 years ago
Anonymous
But those aren’t thugs. Scarecrow uses chemical weapons and Raz is also god mode.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't understand? You want Batman the greatest ninja/martial artist to get his ass beat by lowly thugs? Otherwise it's godmode? Even pattison beat all those thugs asses. Pattison is even more broken, since his suit is not only bullet proof but bomb proof.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your inserting context. This characterization of Batman is a young guy who’s only been on the job for like a year or two. Yes, I would expect him to take hits. He doesn’t get his ass beat, he wins every fight, so you’re just making shit up, watch the movie maybe?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>He doesn’t get his ass beat,
Maybe take your own advice, I said pattison beats all those thugs asses. Reading comprehension.
He defeats every person he goes up against physically. You guys say he sucks at fighting, but he takes down everyone he goes up against.
Plus, he solves everything. The only example you guys have is Penguin's suggestion, but Alfred had already told him what Penguin said. He just didn't look into it. So, you're objectively wrong about that as well.
Meanwhile, Bale did one bit of detective work in the entire trilogy, and he couldn't have done it without Lucius Fox, whereas Pattinson would've solved the cipher with or without Alfred, as is shown by him solving the first one by himself.
>Plus, he solves everything.
You mean Catwoman solves everything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope, Batman does. Catwoman couldn't have found Kenzie without him. She wouldn't have known anything without Bruce's help.
Watch the movie. You'll see just how wrong you are.
Somehow it feels like less than what we got from Pattinson. It doesn’t bleed over into his public life as Bruce Wayne as it does for Pattinsons. He can barely hob nob whereas Bale always has like three super models with him
Tbf, Bruce has a handle on his public life from Year One in the comics.
>Pattinson says frick work, I'm gonna go kick ass and investigate.
It's just ridiculous. Who else could have the time and resources to be Batman except the troubled billionaire who's the biggest recluse in Gotham and has a worldwide known traumatic past and lives in a dark gothic mansion. It's fricking stupid. The one time he makes a public appearance as Bruce Wayne, Batman coincidentally shows up 10 minutes later and livestreams his face to the world.
He was training before meeting Henry Ducard.
He took the control of his company back.
He is able to pull a double life and does it well, even if that ends up fricking his personal life and wishes.
Bales only problem was the voice but other than that he's best onscreen Batman. Plus he actually workout for the role. Pattison looks like knighting larping. Also pattison is too moronic to be Bruce. I don't about my families legacy" - >Oh my dad did a bad thing once now i'm sad now
Terrible batman.
It's literally just Telltale Batman's plot where Bruce finds out he's been fighting to avenge a guy who had skeletons in his closet and it makes him question actions he was already questioning even more.
Too much content for a first film. It has to built up over time, probably the 3rd film at the earliest. I would first focus on showing Bruce Wayne become the socialite we know he is from the comics, gain friends and start to have relationships with the elite of Gotham. Then for some of those established characters turn out to be part of the Court of Owls in a later film, not the same one. It would mean a lot more if they space it out and tease it. Plus I would prefer it to include at least Nightwing in the film, the moment batman knocks his molar out and tells Dick he was supposed to be the next Talon could be an iconic movie moment for normies. It would also bring up questions about why his parents were killed. It would of course include fight scenes with Talon and Batman isn't ready for such a fight yet in my opinion. He still needs to undergo training by the league to be a match or at least a few more years as the Bat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Better make a separate Robin first. Going directly to Nightwing feels like a copout.
You're talking up the Batman that went into retirement for seven years after one year of being Batman. And this was after a whole speech about how Batman could handle the heat from the police.
Should be immediately after since Begins ended with Bruce looking into the Joker.
Unless that ending scene was after a long time skip or something.
Nolan probably didn’t give a shit about that little Joker tease honestly. In universe, it’s possible that the Joker flew under the radar for a few years after Begins.
When you try to be something more than a superhero movie, you either make it great like Joker, or end up falling very short like this movie. This isn't neither Batman the great detective nor Batman the guy with amazing gadgets, it's just some guy in a costume.
Joker is a supervillain, part of a superhero franchise, please stop going off on a tangent.
>isn't even a joker movie
Precisely what made it great; with this iteration of Batman, they tried to make him more human, without so much power, but failed at delivering what makes Batman interesting.
Joker in the movie wasn't a supervillain. He was just a mentally ill person. >it was great because it was none of the things that make Joker intersting. Or Joker.
Ok?
I don't think it was as great as all the YouTube video essays make it out to be, but it was better than I was expecting. My main issues were
>Batman and Catwoman hooking up almost immediately even though he does shit like send her into dangerous situations without caring what happens to her or how she feels >Penguin getting away with killing all those people on the freeway >Riddler is a bit too autistic >It's another "Let's throw in the Joker because it's a Batman movie" episode
Yeah, but still. I generally just am annoyed by instant movie romance. It feels like the characters just get together because the audience expects a romance subplot more than believable chemistry.
Only part that pissed me off is when he started it up and was doing that kino warm up it sputtered for a split second, like it moved forward a couple inches and stopped for no reason instead of burning out or something. Also why did penguin just sit there and watch while the car was warming up instead of just booking. I also don’t even know if the car was warming up or not. He could have just drove right at penguin and ran him over while he was
staring at the bat mobile like a moron.
In a lot of ways I feel like this movie was made for me. Black and red aesthetic. Angry violent Batman. Serial killer villain. Mullato waifu. Nirvana. But for some reason it just didn't click for me. It's not bad or anything, but its never going to be something I watch 1000 times like I have the Nolan movies.
I wouldn’t call them pretentious but I also wouldn’t call them rewatchable. TDK and DKR are overlong and kind of a slog upon rewatch. Nolan movies in general are made to be theatrical experiences and aren’t as good on home video.
as someone who loved this and shilled it, top gun 2 totally stole its thunder for me. I watched the batman twice but I watched TGM three times and I never, ever watch films in the theatre more than once usually. it just got upstaged by an incredibly good action movie and avatar 2 is probably going to bury it even more
Movies like this get overhyped to hell and back by kids who are blown away from things merely being different from marvel.
Same shit happened to the sequel nobody asked for to Top Gun, of all dead and forgotten things
the only thing ill remember from this is that the batman is the best capeshit ever made LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>comic accurate
Every Batman movie is comic accurate. There's 100 years worth of Batman comics, you can find a book similar to any and every one of his movies.
It didn't bother to try anything new, as a result it feels like Nolan Batman 1.5. It was good but it didn't stick with you like Joker or the dark knight
Not by me. Just recently watched it for the first time and found it visually captivating. Most modern movies are so flat and clean looking, this film had character.
>I'll compare good movie with unrelated good movies to prove that bad movie is not bad
Strange strategy, shill
Nolan's Batman didn't put me to sleep and it wasn0t dark and emo for the sake of dark and emo.
You used the exact same tactic homosexual. Begins is a ripoff of Blade Runner and TDK is a ripoff of Heat.
Nolanshit puts me to sleep. The Batman entertains.
>The Batman entertains.
How? No big or great set pieces the villians big plan is generic boring, the riddles and conspiracy is not clever or rewarding. The movie ends with Bruce Wayne's privilege checked.
>The Batman entertains.
How? No big or great set pieces the villians big plan is generic boring, the riddles and conspiracy is not clever or rewarding. The movie ends with Bruce Wayne's privilege checked.
A film is nowadays remembered by the quality and quantity of its memeable content in my opinion. You forget a beautiful edit of a film's gorgeous cinematography in a few seconds but you'll laugh at, remember and repeat the funny memes from that film. American Psycho is full of memes. I saw all the memes before watching the film and loved seeing each one again. That's why despite it being an irrelevant film it's known by basically every male zoomer because of the memes.
The Batman had a few meme able moments >SOMETHING IN THE WAY HMMMMMMM HMMMMMM >Riddler singing AWWWWW MARIA >What are you showing me here, OPEN YOUR EYES >the cutting of the wire in the 3rd act with a silent scream >I'M VENGEANCE >Batman running in the police station
There's a few so it's more memorable than Batman Begins but still not as iconic as the other two Dark Knight films. Based on this there's potential. As long as there's a lot more memeable content in the later films it will be remembered. It still needs something akin to Baneposting to be stuck in everyone's heads.
A good quote is still extremely memorable and the Dark Knight Rises had a lot. Most notably the >Its not about the money, its about sending a message >You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain
Good quotes will last the longest but they're really rare. For most films, the memeability is what matters to any retention for the zoomer audience.
I liked it on release. Now that I let it sit for a few months I think it sucked. Matt Reeves is obscenely pretentious, why Warner allowed him to make a 3 hour comic book film is beyond me. It's too long, the art direction is drab, the content is a ripoff of Fincher. It just has no personality.
>OP remembers it and posts about it
Imagine getting filtered this hard by vengeance
Finally
>July 2022
>I am once again remembered on Cinemaphile
Better than every single MCU film ever released.
lol, lmao even
Which one is better? Infinity War, The Avengers and Iron Man are their best films and none of them were as ambitious or technically/artistically impressive as this, even if there were a few misses writing-wise.
>and none of them were as ambitious or technically/artistically impressive as this
This film is as impressive as The Mandalorian. That is to say not impressive at all. They used the Volume tech for everything.
>were as ambitious
This was literally a soulless movie where the studio just tried to copy the things that worked before for them but with none of the understanding of what made it work. This is Nolan's shit but worse.
I think it's a little campier than Nolan's Batman films and aesthetically it's closer to the Animated Series as well. I think there's potential if they don't try and take it in a super self-serious and gritty direction, but I already think it's more cartoonish than the previous films since Schumacher, for better or worse.
To add, I like that's taking itself just seriously enough while still doing the camp thing and not making it too obvious (like the MCU does with the constant ironic winking at the audience). It might filter a lot of people at first, but I think if they can tighten up the script and drop the pop politics next time, it will be much more of a success.
lmao
Idiot.
Imagine being this butt hurt your 3 hour knockoff of Se7en isn't as good as some random flick about Spider-Man in Europe
If you're a double digit IQ Hispanic who likes shot that last 3 seconds on average then I guess it would seem better, yeah.
holy reddit
Says the guy defending MCU Spider-Man movies.
Not him but those movies are pure kino. Batman is good too. Pretty sure reddit hates MCU Spidey but loves Batman so not sure what you are getting at
Far From Home was infinitely more original than The Batman while also being more fun and memorable
Next thing you know, the filthy buggers will be asking for a Batman sex scene.
Every Spider-Man movie mogs The Batman. Every one.
Yes all 6 Spider-Man movies
>AaaaAAAAAaaaaaAAAAAAAA I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNEEEEE.....
Was it good?
It's a little shaky at times, bust mostly yes. They have a cringe ass line about white, privileged buttholes in it, but Catwoman is the one who says it and Batman sorta proves her wrong.
re-think thine lives
cope
I do, every day, cope with my disappointment in the film taste of Cinemaphile. This movie sucked ass in every way. It was aggressively, hilariously awful.
The ending fricking sucked
it works very well as nyquil
It's decent for the first half or so and then goes completely off the rails once Riddler reveals his "plan". None of it makes any sense after that.
Okay and intriguing first act. Atrocious last half. Really really bad.
No. One of the stupidest screenplays i have ever seen.
Better than the other capeshit. That's about it.
Which one? Morbius?
The first half is very good and the fights look great, the second half is not as good, Paul Dano’s Riddler is devoid of a uniquely identifiable personality, and there’s only two cool action moments at the end that are each about 10 seconds long
In Nolan's movie you get to see all the preparation, resources, and sheer willpower it takes to lead such an extreme double life. You feel how exhausting it must be when Alfred forces him out of bed in order to attend meetings and maintain his playboy persona. This new Batman is just moody and lame. He doesn't have the same relentless drive and obsession. He would just roll-over in bed and tell Alfred to frick off.
I like a moody Batman. Bale’s Batman is just gigachad, which Batman is, but his only sources of torment are external.
If left to himself, he’s just a happy go lucky charismatic billionaire.
Batman should be dark and brooding and Bale IMO didn’t capture it.
>brooding and Bale IMO didn’t capture it.
If they cast a real hottie as rachel instead of that grannie we might have gotten some romantic tragedy going
correction, if someone had the balls to tell Bale that voice was beyond moronic and bringing down every scene all 3 would've been 10/10's.
>If left to himself, he’s just a happy go lucky charismatic billionaire.
Bale's Batman is a restless and self-destructive maniac. The only thing keeping him together is Alfred.
Somehow it feels like less than what we got from Pattinson. It doesn’t bleed over into his public life as Bruce Wayne as it does for Pattinsons. He can barely hob nob whereas Bale always has like three super models with him
>It doesn’t bleed over into his public life as Bruce Wayne as it does for Pattinsons.
That's because Pattinson did a shit Bruce Wayne that was no different than the Batman persona. An one note acting.
Better Wayne and Batman than Bale. He had a better presence than Bale in suit, and acted as a better Wayne with actual scars.
You want one note, talk about playing a playboy over and over again while having no personality outside of it.
>Better Wayne and Batman than Bale
Shit Batman that sucks at fighting and detective, and shit Wayne because his Wayne isn't even a proper character. It was a boring and one note acting delivered by Pattinson because the director is a hack.
This is how every scene plays out with Pattinson in this movie, cowl or no cowl
>looks down as if he is about to cry
>looks to the corner of the screen as if he was thinking of something in an attempt not to cry
>then look directly at the screen as if he was paying attention to something
>eyes starts to water again as if he was about to cry again
WOW, such great acting.
Good at fighting since he defeats everyone that fights him, good detective since he solves every mystery put in front of him, and good Wayne because it actually showed what a real Bruce Wayne would be like without doing the same cringe thing Bale and Affleck did.
If you can't see how great Pattinson's performance is, you either have autism or didn't even watch the movie.
Shit at fighting because he just does the same moves over and over again and is a lardass because he is slow as frick and all the fights are boring. The invincible suit is the only thing carrying him. Otherwise he would be dead ten times over. He is a shit fighter.
Shit detective because he was unable to save anyone and couldn't stop anything the Riddler did. Most of the time you've Alfred, Gordon, and Catwoman handing all the clues to him. Catwoman is the one to find all the truth about the corruption by kidnapping the convenient as frick corrupt cop that knew everything. If it wasn't for that Batman would still be going around blindly being duped by everyone.
Shit fricking Batman and shit movie. Don't respond back to me.
He's brutal and quick and the suit helps. That's what Batman has always been.
He couldn't have stopped what Riddler was doing even if he tried because the bombing happened literally two hours later, not enough time to stop the vans, but the definition of a detective is someone who solves mysteries. And Batman does that. Alfred and Penguin give his suggestions, they don't solve shit.
Catwoman couldn't have solved shit without Batman. Rewatch the movie. It's the best Batman.
Bitch, i told you not to respond back.
What i said about the movie is the truth. the movie fricking sucked and Pattinson was wasted on the character because the director is a hack. The fight scenes weren't brutal. The movie is PG as frick. The fights were fricking boring. You've Pattinson moving slow as frick and doing the same punch, punch, throw, punch when down shit over and over again. It is boring as frick.
Now shut the frick up and don't even attempt to try and respond me in your eternal cope trying to defend a shit as frick movie.
I replied back. Frick you.
Oh yeah? Frick you
Yeah. Frick you.
>and good Wayne because it actually showed what a real Bruce Wayne would be like without doing the same cringe thing Bale and Affleck did.
People keep pushing this nonsense each batman movie, you gays were saying the same with begins, but now you're saying the same about The Batman. So the next reboot will you being saying the same and shitting on Pattison?
Pattison is now the best Batman, but people say this every batman movie.
Batman 89 Keaton best Batman
Begins-TDK - Bale best Batman
BVS- Affleck best Batman
The Batman- Pattison best batman (So grounded)
Affleck’s Batman was such wasted potential. I much prefer a live action Batman that can actually interact with other DC heroes rather than being restricted to his own separate universe.
The fat homosexual fricking sucked.
There was no wasted potential
Either way I still want a live action Batman that interacts with other superheroes rather than being walled off.
No offense but what personality did Pattison have? He was just depressed emo kid. Would be nice they actually let Pattison act in the next movie, otherwise he's going to get exposed as one note.
Here's his personality that the film clearly shows: He's a broken man practically defined by his childhood tragedy who deep down cares for those he loves but can't show it due to fear of loss. He can't get into being the Bruce the world wants him to be because he doesn't feel it'll make a difference, so instead he uses his torment and rage to fight crime. This rage funnels through a childlike perception of vengeance, which he can feel isn't changing anything, but can't let go of due to his hurt. He eventually learns that in order to make a difference he must help others instead of helping himself. He goes from selfish to selfless.
Bale's Bruce is: My parents died I'm sad and angry but halfway through the movie I learn to be perfect at everything.
Which is the better Bruce in terms of characterization?
>Here's his personality that the film clearly shows:
WHITE RICH GUYS BAD, TOXIC WHITE MALES BAD, BATMAN NEEDS TO LEARN ABOUT DEM PROGRAMS
He has more determination and obsession than Bale did. Bale did just roll over in bed. "Bats are supposed to be nocturnal Alfred," he says as he puts a fricking pillow over his face to block out light.
Meanwhile, Pattinson is up and about, putting shades on to block sunlight. He's not too tired to do business, he just doesn't care. Pattinson is more the chad than Bale is. Bale goes to work and sleeps. Pattinson says frick work, I'm gonna go kick ass and investigate.
>Pattinson says frick work, I'm gonna go kick ass and investigate.
Both things that he doesn't do in his own movie. He gets his ass handed to him by lowly thugs and can't figure shit out by himself. He can only paint his eyes like some homosexual and cry.
Because he’s young and inexperienced. It was refreshing to see someone actually swing at him from behind, it connects, and you can tell it hurts him. Bales Batman is too god mode
>Because he’s young and inexperienced.
He had a whole year to get better. He just fricking sucks because the plot demand for Batman to be stupid and bad due to the whole anti-white male rethoric.
>Bales Batman is too god mode
The same batman that got rekt by Scarecrow?
And Raz
But those aren’t thugs. Scarecrow uses chemical weapons and Raz is also god mode.
I don't understand? You want Batman the greatest ninja/martial artist to get his ass beat by lowly thugs? Otherwise it's godmode? Even pattison beat all those thugs asses. Pattison is even more broken, since his suit is not only bullet proof but bomb proof.
Your inserting context. This characterization of Batman is a young guy who’s only been on the job for like a year or two. Yes, I would expect him to take hits. He doesn’t get his ass beat, he wins every fight, so you’re just making shit up, watch the movie maybe?
>He doesn’t get his ass beat,
Maybe take your own advice, I said pattison beats all those thugs asses. Reading comprehension.
He defeats every person he goes up against physically. You guys say he sucks at fighting, but he takes down everyone he goes up against.
Plus, he solves everything. The only example you guys have is Penguin's suggestion, but Alfred had already told him what Penguin said. He just didn't look into it. So, you're objectively wrong about that as well.
Meanwhile, Bale did one bit of detective work in the entire trilogy, and he couldn't have done it without Lucius Fox, whereas Pattinson would've solved the cipher with or without Alfred, as is shown by him solving the first one by himself.
>Plus, he solves everything.
You mean Catwoman solves everything.
Nope, Batman does. Catwoman couldn't have found Kenzie without him. She wouldn't have known anything without Bruce's help.
Watch the movie. You'll see just how wrong you are.
>He gets his ass handed to him by lowly thugs
When? Show me the scene where he gets dominated by thugs.
Tbf, Bruce has a handle on his public life from Year One in the comics.
However, as soon as Gordon leaves in this scene he immediately dismisses the girl as well and goes back to brooding.
>Pattinson says frick work, I'm gonna go kick ass and investigate.
It's just ridiculous. Who else could have the time and resources to be Batman except the troubled billionaire who's the biggest recluse in Gotham and has a worldwide known traumatic past and lives in a dark gothic mansion. It's fricking stupid. The one time he makes a public appearance as Bruce Wayne, Batman coincidentally shows up 10 minutes later and livestreams his face to the world.
Same thing goes for Bale. Who else in Gotham could be Batman but him? The entire concept is stupid if you view it like that.
Someone made a video where it says "Something in my ass. Mmmmm" on tiktok and it's a whole lot funnier than this mess of a movie
>Prep
Goes on a mountain to train
>Resources
Takes from his company
>Willpower
He wants to sleep and easily plays a billionaire. Not much willpower.
He was training before meeting Henry Ducard.
He took the control of his company back.
He is able to pull a double life and does it well, even if that ends up fricking his personal life and wishes.
Bales only problem was the voice but other than that he's best onscreen Batman. Plus he actually workout for the role. Pattison looks like knighting larping. Also pattison is too moronic to be Bruce. I don't about my families legacy" -
>Oh my dad did a bad thing once now i'm sad now
Terrible batman.
It's literally just Telltale Batman's plot where Bruce finds out he's been fighting to avenge a guy who had skeletons in his closet and it makes him question actions he was already questioning even more.
They could've have adapted court of owls.
Too much content for a first film. It has to built up over time, probably the 3rd film at the earliest. I would first focus on showing Bruce Wayne become the socialite we know he is from the comics, gain friends and start to have relationships with the elite of Gotham. Then for some of those established characters turn out to be part of the Court of Owls in a later film, not the same one. It would mean a lot more if they space it out and tease it. Plus I would prefer it to include at least Nightwing in the film, the moment batman knocks his molar out and tells Dick he was supposed to be the next Talon could be an iconic movie moment for normies. It would also bring up questions about why his parents were killed. It would of course include fight scenes with Talon and Batman isn't ready for such a fight yet in my opinion. He still needs to undergo training by the league to be a match or at least a few more years as the Bat.
Better make a separate Robin first. Going directly to Nightwing feels like a copout.
You're talking up the Batman that went into retirement for seven years after one year of being Batman. And this was after a whole speech about how Batman could handle the heat from the police.
Presumably The Dark Knight takes place at least a couple years after Begins, no?
Nah, Gordon gives him the Joker card at the end of Begins
Nolan probably didn’t give a shit about that little Joker tease honestly. In universe, it’s possible that the Joker flew under the radar for a few years after Begins.
Should be immediately after since Begins ended with Bruce looking into the Joker.
Unless that ending scene was after a long time skip or something.
It's great.
When you try to be something more than a superhero movie, you either make it great like Joker, or end up falling very short like this movie. This isn't neither Batman the great detective nor Batman the guy with amazing gadgets, it's just some guy in a costume.
Joker isn't a superhero movie
Joker isn't a superhero movie and isn't even a joker movie
Joker is a supervillain, part of a superhero franchise, please stop going off on a tangent.
>isn't even a joker movie
Precisely what made it great; with this iteration of Batman, they tried to make him more human, without so much power, but failed at delivering what makes Batman interesting.
Joker in the movie wasn't a supervillain. He was just a mentally ill person.
>it was great because it was none of the things that make Joker intersting. Or Joker.
Ok?
I don't think you're understanding anything I'm trying to say and you're focusing on semantics. This is pointless.
Joker is a Batman (universe) movie
>vaguest statement ever
Characters are more than generic labels
You'd think that and yet you still live with your parents.
I actualy don't, and I don't know why are you trying to use this stupid argument
>I actualy
Dumb esl poster
>grammar cop
>no argument
ok
>grammar cop
It's a grammar nazi you dumb esl poster
I know. I will still use grammar cop if it pleases me.
Any actual argument, mental midget?
Why would I argue with an dumb esl poster? You're a foreign bug. You don't matter.
I think I'll just accept your concession
the first 5-ish minutes are excellent
the remaining 97 hours are an awful poorly written slog
I don't think it was as great as all the YouTube video essays make it out to be, but it was better than I was expecting. My main issues were
>Batman and Catwoman hooking up almost immediately even though he does shit like send her into dangerous situations without caring what happens to her or how she feels
>Penguin getting away with killing all those people on the freeway
>Riddler is a bit too autistic
>It's another "Let's throw in the Joker because it's a Batman movie" episode
>Batman and Catwoman hooking up almost immediately
so like the comics and cartoons
Yeah, but still. I generally just am annoyed by instant movie romance. It feels like the characters just get together because the audience expects a romance subplot more than believable chemistry.
No. It's woke garbage
Should stay that way. What an awful movie.
the sludgeman
lasted longer than doctor strange
Been thinking about rewatching it just haven’t had the time
Movie sucked. Didn't even want to finish it. Utter dog shit.
The duality of man
Pure kino.
First five 5 minutes is the best live action batman content to date. Music was A tier. Rest is B tier
Forgot to add Batmobile scene SS tier
>Forgot to add Batmobile scene SS tier
The car chase in IMAX was amazing.
The first 5 mins is riddler being a voyer you idiot. That's how slow this movie is.
Just frick off and die batman
>t. Superman
Batman is a cultural icon and you better get used to it, bucko.
Only part that pissed me off is when he started it up and was doing that kino warm up it sputtered for a split second, like it moved forward a couple inches and stopped for no reason instead of burning out or something. Also why did penguin just sit there and watch while the car was warming up instead of just booking. I also don’t even know if the car was warming up or not. He could have just drove right at penguin and ran him over while he was
staring at the bat mobile like a moron.
In a lot of ways I feel like this movie was made for me. Black and red aesthetic. Angry violent Batman. Serial killer villain. Mullato waifu. Nirvana. But for some reason it just didn't click for me. It's not bad or anything, but its never going to be something I watch 1000 times like I have the Nolan movies.
Why would someone watch the Noland movies so much... it's really pretentious shit.
I wouldn’t call them pretentious but I also wouldn’t call them rewatchable. TDK and DKR are overlong and kind of a slog upon rewatch. Nolan movies in general are made to be theatrical experiences and aren’t as good on home video.
I think about this tweet sometimes in relation to this movie: https://twitter.com/MovieKessler/status/1505333834665144326
It was boring
Pattman should be allowed to interact with other DC superheroes and not be walled off. He should also be able to fight supernatural/magical villains.
as someone who loved this and shilled it, top gun 2 totally stole its thunder for me. I watched the batman twice but I watched TGM three times and I never, ever watch films in the theatre more than once usually. it just got upstaged by an incredibly good action movie and avatar 2 is probably going to bury it even more
Pattinson could easily have been the best Batman yet but Matt Reeves hack direction and shit script completely wasted his potential.
Ok gays, now imagine he was this charming and swarthy in The Batman as Bruce 10/10 performance no?
He could have been the best Terry Batman.
that's a very boring movie
Middling: the flick
They need to reboot Batman again, but this time make something less shit.
Movies like this get overhyped to hell and back by kids who are blown away from things merely being different from marvel.
Same shit happened to the sequel nobody asked for to Top Gun, of all dead and forgotten things
Top Gun worked because they made a fun blockbuster like Marvel does
Marvel movies are shit and TGM is just another necromantic milking of an IP that shouldn't have happened. You just like it because hype snowballed
>kids who are blown away from things merely being different from marvel.
this made me realize i am old and out of touch
Having standards because you saw how movies were in a more civilized era of entertainment is suffering.
true indeed
the worst batman movie ever. EVER. !
It deserves to be forgotten.
Yep its called another superhero movie.
the only thing ill remember from this is that the batman is the best capeshit ever made LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
truly a masterpiece and the only comic accurate batman movie
99% of comics suck butt. There’s a good reason why virtually every Batman movie is based on only a handful of comic book story arcs from 30 years ago.
>comic accurate
Every Batman movie is comic accurate. There's 100 years worth of Batman comics, you can find a book similar to any and every one of his movies.
Every live action Batman movie except maybe the two Schumacher ones are based on a combination of the following:
The Dark Knight Returns
Year One
The Killing Joke
The Long Halloween
Knightfall
Hush
That’s it.
the cuckman am i rite?
Its legacy depends for some odd reason, the sequel release.
>July 2019
>Super returns
>keep seeing these threads
>meanwhile never hear about no way home anymore or the other million capeshit movies
interesting op
>new marvelshit two times a week
>new dcshit every 5 years
A mistery, indeed
It didn't bother to try anything new, as a result it feels like Nolan Batman 1.5. It was good but it didn't stick with you like Joker or the dark knight
TDK sticks with you because of Huge Legend's performance. Every time he's on screen he's doing something fun and unexpected.
Joker/TDK sticks out b/c they separate themselves from previous iterations.
the movie is ASMR, but in a good way
My mum didn't like it, said it was too gloomy and dark not like the batman she used to like x
my dad would probably agree, as an adam west boomer
the film that divided Cinemaphile
It's on par with Begins at the very least. Maybe even better. The sequel will make or break it.
Return of The Planet of The Batman Rises
lol
Plagiarism is le most sincere form of flattery
Not by me. Just recently watched it for the first time and found it visually captivating. Most modern movies are so flat and clean looking, this film had character.
The Batman is better than Nolanshit.
>Poor man's Se7en
ok
>Nolan is better!
>Poor man's Blade Runner and Heat
Sure, The Batman is bad
>I'll compare good movie with unrelated good movies to prove that bad movie is not bad
Strange strategy, shill
Nolan's Batman didn't put me to sleep and it wasn0t dark and emo for the sake of dark and emo.
You used the exact same tactic homosexual. Begins is a ripoff of Blade Runner and TDK is a ripoff of Heat.
Nolanshit puts me to sleep. The Batman entertains.
>The Batman entertains.
How? No big or great set pieces the villians big plan is generic boring, the riddles and conspiracy is not clever or rewarding. The movie ends with Bruce Wayne's privilege checked.
Yet it copies Some aspects from TDK and TDK rises
The scene where the thug is afraid batman is in the shadows, was taken from TDK and unironicle is the most batman moment in the movie.
A film is nowadays remembered by the quality and quantity of its memeable content in my opinion. You forget a beautiful edit of a film's gorgeous cinematography in a few seconds but you'll laugh at, remember and repeat the funny memes from that film. American Psycho is full of memes. I saw all the memes before watching the film and loved seeing each one again. That's why despite it being an irrelevant film it's known by basically every male zoomer because of the memes.
The Batman had a few meme able moments
>SOMETHING IN THE WAY HMMMMMMM HMMMMMM
>Riddler singing AWWWWW MARIA
>What are you showing me here, OPEN YOUR EYES
>the cutting of the wire in the 3rd act with a silent scream
>I'M VENGEANCE
>Batman running in the police station
There's a few so it's more memorable than Batman Begins but still not as iconic as the other two Dark Knight films. Based on this there's potential. As long as there's a lot more memeable content in the later films it will be remembered. It still needs something akin to Baneposting to be stuck in everyone's heads.
A good quote is still extremely memorable and the Dark Knight Rises had a lot. Most notably the
>Its not about the money, its about sending a message
>You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain
Good quotes will last the longest but they're really rare. For most films, the memeability is what matters to any retention for the zoomer audience.
At least that's my observation as a zoomer.
>thumb
>drive
capeshit trash that only attracts nonwhites
>seething /misc/tard
lol
I liked it on release. Now that I let it sit for a few months I think it sucked. Matt Reeves is obscenely pretentious, why Warner allowed him to make a 3 hour comic book film is beyond me. It's too long, the art direction is drab, the content is a ripoff of Fincher. It just has no personality.
Le Batman
Something in the way
Oooooooooooooooooooooooo~
I've heard mixed opinions, how good is this? I'm planning on watching this today.
Introspective Batman. Catwoman and Cassandra Cain are amalgamed as Selina Kyle. Classic Dano. Lots of rain. Mayor with a weird haircut.
Did everyone forget that 2 thugs unloaded their assault rifle on Battison but he emerged unscathed and was walking like nothing happened?
It was a pretty forgettable movie.