>Just call him Captain Thunder at this point
>Fricking this. They used that name in Flashpoint. Why are they so apprehensive to use it anywhere else?
>because the Spanish-language market is the second largest audience American movies are sold to, and there's already a comic book Capitan Trueno, who had a movie as recently as 2011
>so it's unlikely they can get that trademark either, which makes regionalization a pain
Here's my idea. Instead of translating the name to Spanish, call him "Capitan Thunder" in Spanish too. I've seen them do that with Japanese titles sometimes, where the title is still in English instead of being a Japanese translation of the English word. Or, how we as Americans call a Japanese sword a "katana" instead of a "Japanese sword." This kind of thing happens all the time where the name is left untranslated to give it an exotic appeal, so I can see it working here.
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Stop being a homosexual and just call him Captain Marvel.
I like Captain Thunder. I also like that protege of Billy's that's on the Legion of Superheroes. Also this --- >
I don't see how someone can own the right to a name. Can I not have a character named Bruce Wayne in anything I make because that's Batman?
>I don't see how someone can own the right to a name.
They don't own the name, they own the trademark.
DC can't use Captain Marvel in any promotional material, such as on the cover of comic books or merchanidse. It's been this way since the 70's when Marvel first snatched up the rights to use the name themselves. Billy was going by the name Captain Marvel for years whilst his comics ran under the name Shazam. It's only been been recently that they've dropped the name for brand synergy.
>He originally WAS called Captain Thunder
Technically, Captain Thunder was an original character DC invented before they obtained the rights to Fawcett Comics' characters, acting as an expy for Captain Marvel that Superman could fight. Though they would end up using the Captain Thunder name for Flashpoint Billy Batson's secret identity, so there's precedence established.
>They don't own the name, they own the trademark.
>They don't own the name, they just own the name
But they don't own the name, DC was using the name just fine. They just can't use the name to MARKET the character.
Why are you being dense on purpose?
This, and since marketing is actually what matters the most, Shazam is all they can really use.
That's also why they made Freddy Shazam when he became the main hero.
No, he was originally called Captain Thunder in an early ashcan of Whiz Comics. That was going to be his name before Fawcett changed it to Captain Marvel for some reason.
>I also like that protege of Billy's that's on the Legion of Superheroes
Her name is just Thunder, not Miss or Lass or Girl or Captain or anything, she's just Thunder.
You can. You'll just sound creatively dead and said character cannot share characteristics like being reclusive, rich, dead parents, etc.
Assuming your work ever becomes popular it will be put under a lawsuit microscope for easy cash grab wins.
Can't use it on merch or covers. Higher ups would cry if he was called something else in story than on posters.
The 'higher ups' don't buy comics, so frick what they think.
Worse, the higher ups publish the comics, they have authority over all this bullshit, that's the sad reality.
>The 'higher ups' don't buy comics
Neither do fans
Hey, there's dozens of us, dozens!
And some of those even buy a comic or two every other week or so!
call him Captain M@rvə!
i prefer captain fawcett
Based
Honestly this really could actually work
Stop being an incel and accept that his name is Raiguy.
Rai meaning lightning/thunder in Japanese and guy because he's a guy.
fpbp
>"B-b-b-but muh merch"
Tell the execs to suck it the frick up and make it clear in the movie and the advertising that his name is Captain Marvel.
I can't see Shazam fitting in Marvel at all. Meanwhile, he and his entire supporting cast are a pretty natural fit at DC.
They've got the more fleshed out magical corner, he's got the relation to Wonder Woman since he draws his power mostly from her gods, he was the original rival to Superman, Mary Marvel was the original inspiration to Supergirl so it makes sense that they'd be best friends, and Billy is superheroic enough to fit in with the JSA, while still belonging to the dark magical world too. Plus he's got the, "Fun, escapist power fantasy vibe," to him that most of DC's biggest characters have.
Literally the only thing going against him, sadly, is branding.
I don't think the Fawcett characters fit into any modern superhero universe to be tbh
They're just too pure and whimsical and trying to make them fit in compromises them too much, there's a reason the best received Captain Marvel stories since the turn of the century (Monster Society of Evil, Thunderworld) are explicitly non-canon
Idk, Johns' nu52 and the current Waid run are both good.
And you gain a lot with Captain Marvel being in the DC universe, like Billy and the others looking up to Superman, the aforementioned Supergirl and Mary Marvel friendship, Billy and Black Adam being on the JSA, Shazam being in the Quintessence, and Black Adam's whole entire thing since the early 2000's.
Not really their fault DC has mostly sucked with their B/C/D-listers for the past decade now.
Black Adam has more connections now since he is linked to the other ancient Egypt characters like Hawkman and Dr Fate.
Marvel does not have nearly as many ancient Egypt characters, but most of them are villains. Adam could be the original hero that fought off Apocalypse and Rama Tut. Maybe stopped an ancient Deviants invasion or two.
>Idk, Johns' nu52 and the current Waid run are both good.
this. there are good modern captain marvel stories but most fans are too clung on to the fawcett stuff to really give them a chance.
i'd imagine they'd just turn him into miracleman at best or shuffle him off to be a carol stooge at worst.
>Tell the execs to suck it the frick up and make it clear in the movie and the advertising that his name is Captain Marvel.
you do that, homosexual
>make it clear in the advertising that his name is Captain Marvel.
They literally can't moron, that's the whole fricking point.
>They literally can't moron, that's the whole fricking point.
Can't they call the movie 'Shazam' but call him 'captain Marvel' in the trailer or something?
>he's got the relation to Wonder Woman since he draws his power mostly from her gods
I don't know if you've read War of the Gods, but it brilliantly made it a point to show the Roman and Greek pantheons of Shazam and Wonder Woman to be distinct entities.
Fawcett seems a little more cartooney than most superhero settings. But that is probably from mostly missing out on 80s and 90s era development since DC always made Shazam stuff a very third rate priority.
If Billy was a main character in either universe then he definitely would have had a dark gritty rebranding in the late 80s or 90s. Most of the goofy villains would have been dropped, and there would be a whole new list of 90s era grimdark edgy villains, with maybe 1-2 surviving the decade.
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>stop being a homosexual and just get sued into oblivion for breaking the legal settlement between DC Comics and Marvel Comics in 1972 which permits DC to use the character AT ALL
why you lie
the only restriction they have is using the name in merchandising, he was called Captain Marvel until new52
babes how do you think they're going to sell merchandise for a 100+ million dollarydoo movie like they do for every movie if the character they're trying to sell is called Captain Marvel, a name they do not own?
they can't, or they would have, at any time in the past 50 years they would have, like when they had those tv shows and when they made those movies, they just can't do it and if they try they're going to get shafted so hard it'll make what your mom does behind dumpsters look like amateur hour
truth is if Kinney National hadn't been formed by mobsters looking to launder money in 1966 nobody would ever have tried to bring back Shazam at all
>@RealCaptainMarvel
imo "Captain Thunder" is so generic it sounds like a parody sketch on Saturday Night Live or a bit character on The Simpsons.
>"Captain Thunder" is so generic
So is Captain Marvel.
He originally WAS called Captain Thunder, so it would just be returning to his roots. I'm actually astonished that DC kept calling him Captain Marvel for as long as they did and didn't foresee this being a problem. Fricking idiots
He has a thunderbolt on his outfit, if anyone deserves the name Captain Thunder it's him.
I'm fine with just the Captain because he was called that sometimes when he was called Captain Marvel, we all know what he's the Captain of.
Call him Captain Fawcett
https://www.captainfawcett.com/
Taken
I'd go fun with it and start calling him Captain Jupiter.
Jupiter being the Roman god of Thunder.
DC should just give the IP to Marvel.
would be an improvement.
shazam and his villains feel out of place in dc.
the only good thing was the rock of eternity being the source of dc magic but thats never really explored or done anything with and at the end of the day shazam is just a physical jobber.
may as well give him back to marvel.
At Marvel he would just job to Thor and the Hulk instead. Also they already have a character named Captain Marvel, so it's very likely they would name him Shazam as well anyway.
God no.
And they would feel in place in the fricking Marvel universe? Are you fricking crazy?
>give him back to marvel.
Billy was never part of Marvel, he's from Fawcett Comics.
Billy in Marvel sounds fricking horrible, and I dread just the idea of it.
I feel like DC has invested in making Black Adam more of an important part of the setting than Captain Marvel.
Marvel's need to add in character flaws and make everyone shades of gray with edginess everywhere would likely just turn Billy into Prime all over again. Which Marvel currently owns but never wants to use.
Probably because it would involve giving royalties to a pedo who's in jail currently.
>who's in jail currently.
He got an early release
what's wrong with "shazam"?
>Character's name is his own weakness
I dunno, anon
What? It's not like someone else can say Shazam and it makes him turn back to a kid. He's still the one that has to say it. I fail to see how that's a weakness.
he can't answer when people ask his name
but the wizard's name is Shazam too so how can saying it turn him back and forth? he'd be spazzing out every time they tried to have a conversation
>Books, movies, game titles: SHAZAM!
>Character title: Captain Marvel or just Captain.
Do this
The reason they don't do this is because superheroes are for children so they want to be able to sell action figures and shit. They can't use the name Captain Marvel on action figures.
>It's Captain from the SHAZAM! series
They can do that.
They could. Disney didn't want to use the name "Slave I" anymore for Boba Fett's ship, but they also didn't want to actually change the name and risk pissing off neckbeards, so in toys and stuff they just call it "Boba Fett's Starship." So it can continue to be called Slave I by anyone who cares but they dodge around calling it by name. Even in the show Boba said "my Firespray ship" which is clever enough, it's like if Han called the Falcon "my YT-1300 freighter".
This acronym is jank
>boomers used to lose their shit over lore bombs like this
Jesus, at that point just use the MAD Superdooperman acronym
UNCAS
Comics are really for morons
Then don’t make it an acronym. Simple. The acronym part was for Shazam anyway.
I'm fine calling Billy "SHAZAM". It's catchy
Shazam is the wizard. The superhero is called "Shazam's monster."
Hey man, this was really fricking funny
It brightens my day to hear you say that. I wasn't sure if anyone would get it.
Lol
nice
but obviously he can talk to the wizard directly without spunking into and out of his super form, so the argument that he shouldn't be called Shazam for that reason is objectively wrong
DC should give the golden age reprint rights to Fantagraphics. They'll put out the shit unedited
>inb4 the censored duck comics
Disney forced them to
Fantagraphics publishes Johnny Ryan comics and thats 10x more offensive / racist than anything in golden age comics
Really the best way to go about it is to publish it as it originally was with a disclaimer saying "it was wrong then and is still wrong now but it's history so here it is."
Readers aren't stupid, everyone knows racist stereotypes are bad.
You know, I've seen that disclaimer thing done with some TV shows and people still seethe about it, even though they make a point of keeping everything uncensored. South Park even made fun of it. It seems that for some people it's not enough to receive the uncensored content, they also hate ever being reminded that they are anything less than perfect and that they have ever done anything wrong. They want to live in a bubble where they never have to feel even slightly uncomfortable.
Most people just find it juvenile and thus worthy to mock.
It's juvenile to enjoy such humor to begin with. But whatever, I see you're a lost cause.
You seem uncomfortable.
Call him Doctor Thunder!
Call him something like Thundorr or Thunn-Dorr and say it's his magic name or some shit. Make it easy to copyright and sound like a regular word so it doesn't sound moronic spoken. If we can have Kal-El we can have Thun-Dorr. If we can't have his actual proper name of Captain Marvel just make up some new shit. Everything else sucks. Captain Thunder is a stupid name just call him Thunderpants and be done with it.
Go the Black Bolt route. Captaingar Marvelgon, or Captain Marvel for short.
Captain Shazam
HIS
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NAME
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CAPTAIN
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MARVEL
Why do you type posting like that
He'll always be the Big Red Cheese to me
Capitán Maravilla.
>waid writing Shazam and making people call him the captain
>waid writing world’s finest and naming a young Magog “boy thunder”
>thinking waid will call shazam/captain captain thunder
Didn't he also mention in some interview that someone else owns the Captain Thunder trademark anyway? So it was never on the table.
the Spanish-language market is the second largest audience American movies are sold to, and there's already a comic book Capitan Trueno, who had a movie as recently as 2011
wtf kek
The Captain from the Shazam series.
Lil Cap
That's Freddy's new name.
unironically don't call him anything, ignore him and print Captain Marvel Jr. comics instead
>Captain Marvel Jr.
I sure hope you're smart enough to see the problem here.
>call him "Capitan Thunder" in Spanish too
I don't think you can say "thunder" in spanish. They don't have the "th" sound.
You can't say Thunder in Japanese either, but Jolteon's Japanese name is still "Thunders."
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Jolteon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
Spanish isn't Japanese.
Actually I have found that they follow the same pronunciation rules.
My first language is Spanish and I can guarantee that that's not true, you don't actually know the language.
How would you know if you don't also know Japanese? I have learned both Spanish and Japanese so I can assure you my words are true.
>How would you know if you don't also know Japanese?
I actually have dabbled on it, and from what I've learned, it's pretty fricking different from Spanish.
No, he is Captaim Marvel.
>Capitan Trueno,
This is not an argument, flash isn't called relampago.
What is your ideal future for Captain Marvel (SHAZAM!) series?
I'm gonna ignore your question just to tell you there already was a future Captain Marvel in Billy's old comics.
I like this design better, more retro-futuristic, which fits the Captain better I tink.
What i actually meant was the future state for Captain Marvel, like a better timeline for the series. If DC never jeopardized him and his Shazam cast.
I know what you meant, I just ignored it and focused on the image.
Call him Captain Miracle.
Has the same vibe as Captain Marvel, fits all his sidekicks (Mary Miracle, Captain Miracle Jr, Lt. Miracle, Hoppy the Miracle Bunny, Uncle Miracle) and serves as a nod to the Marvelman/Miracleman days.
>serves as a nod to the Marvelman/Miracleman days
That's not a good thing.
Just call him Captain Marble. Easy.
They could call him K-mart Superman.
That is just insulting though.
Awful art.
Why do you called it Awful Art?
Really any new name works better than a totally made up word for a name.