And… I can’t defend eating animals anymore. We don’t actually need to eat animals to survive anymore so none of this needs to happen, we’re just forcing them to suffer unnecessarily
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Just finished watching this
christcuck slave morality. they aren’t you, they are a tool for you to grow protein and get stronger. grow the frick up
Empathy is not exclusive to Christianity tard
your slave morality is a mutation of christianity. you’re a dumbfrick. empathy isn’t some ingrained unchanging thing, it’s conditioned into you. my ancestors bear baited. they starved lions for gladiators to fight. they sacrificed bulls at the feet of the gods. christcucks held trials for pigs because they were moronic and thought they could think and commit crimes. you have a source of nourishment and meat you can endlessly exploit, perpetually winning the darwin arms race, and you grovel and act shamed about it. kill your fricking self you b***h
SERIOUSLY KILL. YOUR. FRICKING. SELF. I SHIT ON ANIMALS. THEYRE MY FRICKING SLAVES
I'm gonna steal your dog and eat it 🙂
The problem with this is that Christianity won
Chudcore
“chuds” are equally weak and brainwashed. high test men go to reason, not traditional and esoteric history larping. their meaning is found in a society that lives to propel science and human expansion. communism is clearly the best system for that to any non moron. china is a model society here. chuds still bootlick dead ideas like nationalism and capitalism. frick off
Sir do not treat the animal goodly sir, you must blowtorch the animal livings sir!!!
>my ancestors bear baited. they starved lions for gladiators to fight. they sacrificed bulls at the feet of the gods
t. Pablo Hernandez Jr
social justice theology pre-dates any form of left-wing idealism by many many centuries
Jesus Christ did acts of social justice by calling out the Pharisees and casting out the money lenders. And he got executed by you know who for it.
>frick off you prajeet hindu morons unironically fricking kys
I'm going to eat a cow today and no streetshitting spam will change that
mental illness
Is it the bad conditions or what?
can you defend eating crops though?
The name of this documentary and the moron in this thread are both pretty ironic, given that Christianity clearly positions Man as having dominion over the earth. It’s ours to sow and reap as we please, for the greater glory of God.
God isn’t real. It makes no logical sense for an all loving all powerful benevolent God to intentionally create a world where living beings that can feel pain need to kill each other and force each other to suffer to survive
t. Professor at the university of logic
>states random opinion where every single claim is reliant on 50 axioms you need to pre agree with as a mic drop #truth moment
reddit
>living beings that can feel pain
the infliction of pain is a holy act of a lord upon his servants. the angel of the lord blessed jacob, but he also took away his leg. it's sacrifice and atonement. animals get a cushy pain free life away from predators who would inflict tremendous pain on them, then we slaughter and eat them.
they do not get a cushy life. they are forced in small pens. pigs are in those little things where they can't even move. their offspring are ripped from them and they actually cry over it. they forcibly get them pregnant and then kill their kids so they keep making milk
>they are forced in small pens. pigs are in those little things where they can't even move.
this probably shouldnt be happening. but nobody thinks it should and its mostly china doing it.
>their offspring are ripped from them and they actually cry over it.
this is incorrect from merging concepts like when humans cry and when an animal "cries." it is not obviously the same thing.
>they forcibly get them pregnant and then kill their kids so they keep making milk
if you think im ok with killing animals why would i not be okay with killing baby animals? you seem like a pro-abortionist commie gay anyway
>this is incorrect from merging concepts like when humans cry and when an animal "cries." it is not obviously the same thing.
spend some time with a cow and watch it happen. they get depressed and freak out and yell. its clearly emotional.
>if you think im ok with killing animals why would i not be okay with killing baby animals? you seem like a pro-abortionist commie gay anyway
you're moronic. what i'm responding to is that their life isn't cushy, as it was put. not that you'd be against any of it. frick man try and track a simple conversation
i don;t give a shit poojeet my culture has been keep and eating cattle for three thousand years and if you keep trying to frick with my people then don't be surprised if hindus end up having a bad time. Frick off.
i'm not indian, and i eat beef. you simply can't read
>spend some time with a cow and watch it happen. they get depressed and freak out and yell. its clearly emotional.
that's your polemic? "spend some time with a cow?" no. and i dont believe you.
>what i'm responding to is that their life isn't cushy
there's nothing self-evidently un-cushy about separating a mother animal and its young animal
those kind of animals get stressed out when they can't be around their offspring. this isn't disputed. they do not like it. thats not a cushy life to just constantly be impregnated so you make milk, and have that experience. this is known, and again, not disputed. further, the amount of milk they have them produce causes pain. we know that. its not disputed.
i dispute it then, frick you. "its not disputed." this isnt reddit, homosexual.
>the bad website!!
nah you just wanna live in a world where animals live in luxury so you don't have to feel bad, which is fine i guess, but don't act like you know whats going on.
yes, the bad one, where midwits like you learn sophomoric polemics like "that's been debunked" and "it isn't disputed."
>polemics
you probably learned that on reddit
You are quite literally an ignorant moron.
i can, they taste good and are too stupid to do anything about it, they can just evolve or cope lmao
Then become a vegetarian you homosexual. Too many people cry about oh the poor animals but do frick all about it. I became a vegetarian five years ago and it hasn't affected my life negatively in any way. I don't care if people eat meat or not but I'm sick of whiny fricks like you who spew this shit but do nothing about it.
Do you guys think if their was a program similar to the fox program in the U.S.S.R instead of selecting for domicile traits we would be able to select for inteleginece and over decades eventually create a conscious cow? A cow that is self-aware.
Idk iz that possible?
I think about this a lot..
Plants have feelings too. If you eat plants, every single one of which were once living beings, then you are equally as culpable of MURDER as meat-eating scum.
You're shitposting but I genuinely have no idea why vegans draw the line at conscious living beings. Not reacting to pain the way they want denies you the right to live, apparently. Collosally moronic "logic"
if you can't understand why a conscious experience is where a line would be drawn you have zero right to call anyone else moronic
Zero argument
they argument is that there's an experience happening. you're literally moronic if that isn't obvious
>Oh, your LIVED EXPERIENCE is different than MY TRUTH?
>Too bad, guess you can die now guilt free on my part teehee
Because conscious living beings have the clear observable cognitive capacity of feeling pain.
If you’re going to go all solipsist and go “yeah well how do you know plants don’t feel pain” I can flip that on you and go “well how do you know inanimate objects don’t feel pain, why is it wrong to hurt humans but not inanimate objects”
Many plants have just as much of a biochemical reaction to "pain" as crustaceans.
I thought homosexual Sapiens were Omnivores. Eating both Meat & Vegetables
they wouldn't have even been born if it wasn't for us, and they can't even survive on their own anymore.
human life has value because humans bear god's image.
animals do not bear god's image.
god isn't real
is that gods image?
a) Gods image means a rational soul
b) Particulars are imperfect reflections of the forms in any case
souls aren't real
you are having a subjective experience ergo they are. hard problem of consciousness. end of
my brain is creating the experience. not a magic soul. we know the brain creates it. we also know there's no soul, because its not a thing. how can you measure it? where is it? whats it made of?
oh right i’m arguing with a moron. actually look up “hard problem of consciousness”- you can’t measure or observe subjective experiences either moron, even though you know you’re having one. the question is how consciousness is an emergent property- is every electron a tiny bit conscious? how can you measure a subjective experience when it literally cannot be proven to exist empirically? I don’t know why you redditors are so assertive when you don’t read basic philosophy of mind stuff
>I don’t know why you redditors are so assertive when you don’t read basic philosophy
well, that'd be why. people get the most aggressive about their most insecure positions because they are the least secure ones.
well its not caused by a soul, its actually caused by a thing called a borgle. they travel through space and go into your body when your young. don't ask me for proof of it, the proof is your consciousness exists therefor its real
the difference is that the soul is reality, as god-breathed through his holy word. whereas what you say is silly.
you're talking about magic and saying the brain is silly. ok.
>all the ESL shit going on in this utterance
good morning sar
for sars considerations, humbly, if your model of physicalism cannot explain or account for consciousness, which it cannot, perhaps sar the model is wrong so humbly suggested sar. if gentleman cannot providing image of subjective experience or observe it under microscope technologies, empirically sar it is unfalsifiable and therefore, to sars logic, irreal.
there's nothing ESL in that post
>your young
sir
an experience isn't a soul. subjective experience is not evidence of a soul. consciousness is the experience of information being processed in your brain. subjectivity is only caused by variables in that information.
this is not better explained by a soul, and is actually more complicated by the idea of one. you're just calling an experience a soul, but in doing so you're obfuscating what you mean by soul, because you are tying it to the supernatural i.e. gods magic put inside you. your explanation isn't good, and the hard problem of consciousness has never been satisfying or an answer to anything
It’s called a problem because it’s a flaw in materialistic thinking about consciousness, it’s not called the hard solution of consciousness. The entire point is that your empirical account of reality fails to cohere with it. It’s a similar principle to gödel’s incompleteness theory. Either you accept subjective experiences and qualia exist, and that empirically they are impossible to establish, ie true and not falsifiable, or you reject that they exist, which is what most midwits like denett have had to commit to. Again, is each electron a little bit conscious of what? We can see that it is parasitic on the brain, but the brain isn’t identical to it, otherwise i’d be able to literally observe your experiences. What you are saying is more simple is against ockhams razor- you’re suggesting insane ptolemaic loopholes that are unique to theories of mind and don’t cohere with the rest of the physics in the universe to make your model of everything else work. Everyone with half a brain has evolved into realising that reality operates on categories beyond the yes/no computations our brains are developed for, fuzzy logic is king. Nobody has to claim magic or God, they simply have to point out that consciousness presents a massive challenge for physicalism and leave it at that. All you can do at that point is strawman your opponent or continue to assert things you can’t actually prove.
you're the one making a strawman. the electron thing isn't really a point being made. 'is each electron a little bit of consciousness?' no, and that's not an argument one would make, but electrons being a part of the mechanisms that occur which cause consciousness is provable. electrical signals exist when there's an experience. its measurable. Further, it doesn't contradict anything else. in physics of the universe whatsoever. the brain, being a complicated organ, has many variations in biology from one person to the next. many can be observed materialistically and chemically. there's many interactions going on, and we know that because we've made those measurements.
What isn't measurable is this god of the gaps construction called a soul, which explains nothing. if there's a soul but its only proof is that you don't believe there's a way to measure experience (which is absurd anyways, since all descriptions of anything are comparisons and we can compare experiences to describe them) then your patchwork is to say "well there's a soul and thats what makes it all work" then you might as well say nothing at all. does the soul exist without your body? or are you just describing subjective experience, because you've given nothing unique as an example of what a soul is to something that can just be your brains interpretation of information that has a weight to it because its the only reference point you have.
>hindus spamming their sacred cow anti Christian bullshit
piss off poojeet and take your scamming gurus mystical but nothing with you
i wish you morons would learn how dumb calling everyone a troony or poo or Black person is when the person on the other end isn't any of those things. just like calling a straight happily married man a gay troony. you just look foolish
You disguising little piece of shit. Why are all Indians liars and frauds, scammers and fakes?
>please sar
i don't even know what this sar shit you keep saying means dude.
not him, but lurk more.
no. i've been here since 2006 and come on for a month every now and then each year when i have some free time. gets worse every year, but i no longer care to learn about the little revolving stupid in jokes to fit in.
>dude.
>i'm not indian
poojeet
How can you measure yourself? Where are you, what are you made of if you can't measure or find yourself
Lmfao
Okay, you are a homosexual, we get it.
>I can’t defend eating animals anymore
ok awesome. More of the most bioavailable, nutrient dense food on the planet for me 🙂
Enjoy your sugar and refined carbohydrates fatty
I know it’s wrong but I just don’t give a shit about it. Animals taste to good. People are willing to compromise on morals in favor of convenience or pleasure, and in fact, I would argue that the majority of modern day consumerism is built on this concept. You have a smartphone that was made in a factory by child labor spaces that work 18 hours a day and routinely kill themselves but you don’t care about it (or do I tbh) enough to give up the convenience of having a smart phone. It’s the same concept, yeah animals are tortured and put in fricked up circumstances because of the meat industry but steak and ribs taste too good for me to pretend I give a frick.
>You have a smartphone that was made in a factory by child labor spaces that work 18 hours a day
without that factory employing them they would have long ago starved and died. remember to thank a white european...
The people working in the factory have a choice. Animals do not. Animals MUST be killed for meat, it isn’t just baiting a cow with food to push heavy objects to make things, we have to outright kill them for animal products.
A better comparison would be learning that our phones are made out of people who were kidnapped, killed, and grounded into padre
i mean i eat them but i don't feel good about it.
animal flesh is delicious though. i did not decide this, nature did.
should we drown all the cats because they must kill to live?
>should we drown all the cats because they must kill to live?
PETA unironically says yes to this
>nd… I can’t defend eating animals anymore. We don’t actually need to eat animals to survive anymore so none of this needs to happen, we’re just forcing them to suffer unnecessarily
frick off you prajeet hindu morons unironically fricking kys
For conservatives, hierarchy itself is the most essential element of society. From the highest level of abstraction, all the way down to their personal relationships. And nothing reinforces a hierarchy more than those high up in the stack getting away with things while those lower in it suffer. Maybe you've heard it put like, 'Conservatism has one principle: there must be an in-group the law protects but doesn't bind, and an out-group the law binds but doesn't protect'. You will never be able to reach someone that thinks like this by pointing out cruelty towards those they place low in their hierarchy. The cruelty itself is actually comforting to their world view. And, as an outsider, you can't realistically propose a different ordering of their hierachy either. It's a perfectly insulated world view that no arguement can reach.
>For conservatives, hierarchy itself is the most essential element of society
>>frick off you prajeet hindu morons
Go hunting then. Hunting is the most morally just way of getting meat.
But most pseudo vegetarians think that hunting is the worst thing ever. Its strange.
hindus spamming their sacred cow anti Christian bullshit again. fricking primitives
As long as it's legal and profitable it will continue. What can you do but not partake in it?