Just finished watching this for the first time. I don't think I've ever actually sat down and watched this from start to finish, I've only ever seen parts of it.
Can we discuss how despite being a corny campy 70s flick with incredibly dated and laughable special effects its still more compelling, engaging and effective than Man of Steel?
so you just finished watching this again today?
how many days are you just finished watching this?
I've never seen this before in my life. Just finished Watching it 30 minutes ago
Discuss
Sure bud.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/169524094/#169524094
Lmao that isn't even me. I literally Google "superman the movie" like 45 mins ago on Google images and saved the first one that came up. But tell us more about your schizophrenia.
>people can't use the same images from Google images
Meds
have a nice day schizo
I wish super hero moves had soul like this again
I wish human beings had a soul
>corny campy 70s
Watch part 2 and tell me this is campy
>incredibly dated and laughable special effects
Watch Quest For Peace and tell me again the effects are laughable
For younger people effects from the 80s The Thing and The Fly are starting to look bad so it won't be long before they start laughing at that too.
I feel like the thing dog scene will always make people uncomfortable, so idk if I’d call it dated.
>it won't be long before they start laughing at that too.
And all this while liking dogshit cgi that is equally fake, but worse at interacting with real stuff and more physics defying.
Cringe forever
Snydergeets are happy with mindless DBZ action and a thin plot that's only there to string the action together. Real superman fans want the film to slow down to have character moments, show Clark Working at the daily planet and interacting with his employees, let the characters have moments, allow the film to the breathe.
Look, the Snyderverse is over, you fricking Cinemaphilernball plebs. Let it be. I'd tell you to go over to the MCU, but now it's the M-she-U and I couldn't be fricking happier to watch you suffer as Disney breaks your fricking toys one by one right in front of you.
As for DC, the idea that Lady Gaga's going to make Joker 2 into a musical was music to our ears. There will be no course correction, no going back to what you fat Cheeto munching homosexuals think a comic book movie should be. Grow up and get a life.
>the Snyderverse is over
And that's a good thing. Should have ended your post there.
even the Superman suit is better and the lex author actor is better
you can if you want
the rest of us don't really need to, we've been doing that since it came out because we all saw this very popular mainstream movie
>its still more compelling, engaging and effective than Man of Steel?
Because even with broken Silver Age powers Reeve's Superman was still more human than Snyder's. The idea that you can't make Superman compelling because he's OP is a myth. Just watch the scene where he turns back time to save Lois and look at the relief on his face where all he can muster up to say is "Hi". There's never going to be a Superman as good as Christopher Reeve ever again
That one scene manages to find an authentic, dark moment for Superman that humanizes him and is both more disturbing and endearing than anything Snyder was able to do.
>The idea that you can't make Superman compelling because he's OP is a myth.
This, if it was that way , All Star Superman wouldn't be one of most praised Superman stories
lololololollol
Superman is the most human of DC’s heroes.
Superman pre-crisis was a very human character despite being over powered. He was constantly annoyed with his friends
>capeshit
Reminder.
Good morning sir!!
Great comeback, Cinemaphilehomosexual.
12 years in the fortress of solitude so he can learn things. Saving people from fires is something firemen should be doing, not Superman that can move planets.
Relinquishing his own powers shows the weak human part he had.
If superman saved US citizens from criminals he would have the highest kill count of black africans in the USA.
>12 years in the fortress of solitude so he can learn things.
No. Clark was able to leave the fortress during those twelve years. Smallville expanded on what the fortress of solitude can do. All he needs to do is snap himself out of the "lesson's" that ai Jor-El gives him.
Why isn't superman digging canals through the Sahara with any second of free time he gets
There's always a limit to dealing with superman using spergy realism and moral beancounting, he's not a real person and he is not in the real world, it's necessary to have mythic elements
because the nogs there would leave them to fill in again within six months.
even superman knows lower primates aren't worth saving and are an evolutionary dead end that should have disappeared a hundred thousand years ago
>my wote is for Snyder
Because you are a moron and you value art using checklists
>Great comeback, Cinemaphilehomosexual.
>still more compelling, engaging and effective than Man of Steel?
Do we need an entire discussione when you can simply state the obvious (as you already did) and then enjoy the butthurt from the last 2 snydertards still in denial?
Superman 1 & 2 are superhero kino.
Reeve is a genius.
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Capeshit cannot compete.
He's great even in 3 & 4. Not an easy feat. That's all you need to know
Correct. Just a shame how 3 and 4 turned out and that Reeve didn't want to make any more, then got paralysed.
I watched this in its entirety last year and was blown away. We are so conditioned to the conveyer belt capeshit of the current era that we forgot good superhero films can be soulful. This became an instant comfort movie for me.
Good superhero films haven't been a thing in a decade or so, fanfiction kun
i am tired of pretending superman returns was a bad movie
It was okay. It's a shame that Routh never really did much after that.
The saving the city sequence is still one of my favorites to this day.
It's a shame that all the action was Superman just lifting stuff though, they wouldn't have course-corrected so hard with Man of Steel if Singer had Superman to punch something once.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I do not mind a superman who doesn't punch people, in fact I think it compliments his chatacter. That version of Superman is like an angel sent from heaven, his motive is to save people, whether good or bad, he treats the bad guys who try to kill with him kindness, he doesn't just cripple them like Henry cavils Superman. Its a testimate to his character, we dont really need to see superman punching people to make him a compelling character, him saving people is more inline with who he is. He's the embodiment of good. Watching Superman save the plane from falling is infinitely times more entertaining than watching him punch zod thru skyscrapers
blame the director and the writters, henry cavil as superman was good, sadly snyder wanted to be 2deep4u
How can you say it was good if it never was in good movies (or even good scenes, if we esclude the first flight one)?
i have the strangest feeling that MOS was supposed to be the doomsday movie but it got changed into zod
I’ve never watched it. Is Spacey good as Luthor?
He's fine. It's basically Superman 5 which makes it shit, Kate Bosworth is awful but so is the script as a whole.
>WROOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!!
Basically THE meme for 2006.
Making it a sequel to Reeve's series was a mistake. And the kid part was awful.
It is bad, but it has some of the most Superman scenes of all times.
It was ok
The problem is Bryan Singer can't direct convincing (hetero) romance. At all. Routh and Bosworth as a result have zero chemistry, which sucks the wind out of the whole plot. The other elements could have worked but the film also lacked humor. Lex Luthor (and his lackey) in the original superman movies were played with comedy, I seem to remember they had a sort of bumbling leitmotif. I get that Returns was in post 9/11 America but still. Could have seriously used some levity.
Luthor needs a starscream
I didn’t like the kid subplot.
Brandon and Kevin were good in their roles though
The writers didn't think through Luthor's grand scheme very well
Cope. MoS mogs this trash
>smash smash boom murder waaaaaaaaa
Go to bed Snyder
For me I watched superman 2 last week. The first is better
If Cinemaphile doesn't wanna talk about it but raimi borrowed some scenes for Spider man, right
Raimi has taste.
>Can we discuss how
Yes.
The script is good and there is emotional investment, unlike literally every Snyder film, which are all visually gorgeous but have the depth of a puddle.
>no depth
yes, it's exactly what i said. looks great. there's no characters in it, except what the actor can emote. the writing is shit.
Compared to what exactly?
Any actual movie with actual characters
There’s juxtaposition between the ones about to be crushed and Henry’s character. It’s minimalistic but it’s carries alot of weight.
>. looks great.
cgi bukkake with instagram filters will never "look great"
>and then he was angry an then there was the sky beam an then he smashed the cgi
Thank you for proving anon's point, lmao
Purposeful reductionism. Maybe it’s not a shallow scene, maybe you’re a shallow person.
Occam's razor. The movie is shit, empty and the "characters" have no humanity.
You want to like it at all costs and that causes a severe case of consumer pareidolia.
Harry's character is barely a character and the situation has no emotional weight, therefore it's empty
>visually gorgeous
>brown shit, darkness and vaseline filters, people posturing with angry faces with cgi lights behing them
Lmao. they look like dogshit
It’s a very soulful film. The scene where Superman goes crazy after Lois dies always gets me
who cares, cinema is dead, all the good actors are dying, new ones are unlikeable zoomers who don't know how to act and can't pull good numbers unless it's a shitty marvel movie, soon it will all be digitalized actors on green screens, nothing real, no substance, no nothing
One of the best movies ever made. Absolutely BTFOs every single superhero movie other than the Adam West and Michael Keaton Batman movies.
It's funny because on paper man of Steel has everything this movie does
>Ma and Pa Kent giving heartfelt talks to Clark about his powers
>Clark at school dealing with bullies and getting frustrated
>Clark saving people
>Seeing Clark doing odd jobs
>Jor El giving Clark heart felt motivational speeches
>Lois Lane and Clark Flirting
And it all just comes down to execution. Richard Donner made his scenes work, he made his scenes entertaining and fun to watch, he made you care about the characters. Zack Snyder made you cringe and roll your eyes.
>And it all just comes down to execution.
This. Many morons simply judge movies using a checklist and than act surprised when someone points out that the movie is still bad/good despite all the single parts being good/bad on paper
I miss when good movies were allowed to be good and bad movies were allowed to be bad
Donner also had Powerhouse Brando to face punch people with on screen, when he was a rare catch in those years & superhero movies were even rarer.
Had there been a little more planning and understanding of "franchises" and "sequels" of the modern era then, that specific Superman era would still be ruling the roost.
The secret is having good actors, a good script, and characters people like and want to watch again. Something that movie studios since slightly pre-2000 have a difficult time comprehending, since they have confused cheap greenscreen & fake explosions with even cheaper, faker actors/characters.
Cavill is /ourguy.
He just never stood a chance with such a shit run of direction and writing. Oh what could have been, says I.
Now get your ass into the floaty rings, we are sending you to the Phantom Zone to come back in an outstanding sequel everyone liked.
saving people
He ironically enough stopped saving people when he put on the suit.
They wouldn't put Old Glory on the poster today. Why is that?
Joker is part of the Donnerverse. The sequel being a musical proves it for me.
>donnerverse
KYS
Yeah nah.
I'll be honest I have no idea what you are both referring to, it just sounds gay.
Donner made the OG superman movies
Yes I knew that part, why on earth would "Joker" be part of this? Also Donner made two superman movies, and he walked during the second production. That does not a cinematic universe make. Frick I'm so mad right now
We do not need his permission to create the Donnerverse®.
Extremely gay. Good lord, I'm embarrassed.
Good. That means it's working. Do you feel like you live in a society yet?
>Also Donner made two superman movies, and he walked during the second production. That does not a cinematic universe make.
You could say the same for the DCEU (Snyderverse). When I say Donnerverse I mean the universe that has Chris Reeve as Superman. Not Brandon Routh or Henry Cavill.
>You could say the same for the DCEU (Snyderverse).
Wtf you're right. I'm even more mad now, frick frick frick
cope
Wonder Woman > Adventures of Superman > The Incredible Hulk > Batman > Superman
Did DC always had the better tv stuff before Marvel got going?
>Did DC always had the better tv stuff before Marvel got going?
Yes. Lois and Clark and Smallville were great. And then there was the animated shows.
Lois and Clark was excellent, Smallville was never more than a passable teen soap
>Smallville was never more than a passable teen soap
I disagree. Yes at times it can go in that soapy direction (season 6) but it was a good show that kept Superman alive until Man of Steel.
Superman TAS and Justice League were better despite nerfing the man of steel. Smallville had some great elements, Lex and Lionel, the Clark/Lex friendship (despite becoming tiresome after the first several seasons) but overall it was extremely repetitive and formulaic. How many times did his friends get knocked on the head and develop amnesia? They should all be in comas by now
>Did DC always had the better tv stuff before new52 for comics and before Snyder for films?
Fixed and yes. They used to
>Wonder Woman
You are talking about the Lynda Carter series, I hope
>being such a homosexual that's used to shitty modern filmmaking that you judge movies based on age, "corniness" and muh sfx
Just have a nice day, people like you shouldn't be allowed to talk about movies
Having to listen to minority kids who think they know how to make American superhero films.
Imagine. (if israelites weren't involved in film production.)
supergirl is barely remembered. hers was clearly made for girls to enjoy, and felt weak in comparison, but it had some memorable parts and she was really good.
the chap in the phantom zone was good too, "squirt?"
Could have been an entertaining film.
Then a follow up TV movie of the week.
+Keaton Batman
First half is great, it turns to shit when Lex is introduced
Overall a 6/10 and way overrated due to manufactured hype at the time because it was expensive as frick
>manufactured hype
Found the internet era kid
>doing premieres for the royal family
>hypeshit existed before homosexual social media! See? Thet movie had marketing!
moron
In addition to being the most expensive movie up to that point, they shot I and II back to back and had to guarantee people would show up for the sequel
The movie was touted as a cultural landmark for America before it was even released. How many movies have a premiere for the President at the Kennedy Center?
Lex is fantastic, homosexual
>Otisburg? OTISBURG?
I don't mind Lex himself but every moronic thing in the movie starts there
Such as?
Lex randomly deducing the meteor must be from krypton and that kryptonite must make superman weak and all the cringe slapstick, and the stupid contradictory ending
lol. The movie needs no less than two deux ex machinas...one to save Superman and one to save Lois Lane. A henchwoman with a heart of gold and time travel out of fricking nowhere. Just because shit is old doesn't make it good.
So you're a filthy plothomosexual, got it
That's just shitty writing. And this was in the 1970s, when some of the best written movies ever came out. Inexcusable.
>bad writing
The turning back earth was a beautiful scene with great music, monologue and is emotionally satisfying even if you can pick apart the logic behind it. Also your constant harping of "just because it's old don't make it good bro!" makes it obvious what a low iq homosexual you are. Shut the frick up, no one is claiming it's good just for being old. Your bias is showin
Miss it when people nails the costume design of a superhero property. We just from black leather to colored leather which is frick all.
>nOTICING THE WRITING??? IN A MOVIE???
>HOW. DARE. YOU???
Superman can travel through time on his own
Might as well saying “Superman being able to fly is deux Ex Machinas•
Not that anon, but pulling time travel out of your ass to solve a problem IS a deus ex machina
Besides some of the cut scenes (that showed up in the 3 hour tv cut) what special effects look dated ?
Him flying still looks great
The speech Jor-El gives to him as he's sending him away on the ship gives me goosebumps
Homo.
>Marlon was a practical joker, but would always try to remain anonymous and act like he was above such things. One day while filming Superman (1978) Chris (Reeve) arrived on set absolutely furious, and when I asked him what was wrong, he pointed right at Brando and said "..it was HIM! HE did it! He's the one!". While Brando stood there looking at Chris nonplussed, I took him aside and asked him to explain what was going on, and he told me that somebody had been sneaking into his trailer, using his toilet, and leaving an enormous load of human waste for Chris to find later, which would then end up polluting his entire trailer. He said he thought it might have been one of the crew, so he had Dick (Liebegott) keep an eye on his trailer for him while he was on set. After filming that day, Chris returned to his trailer, and once again, his toilet was absolutely destroyed to the point of needing maintenance to come and unclog it, and when he talked to Dick, he told him the only person he saw entering the trailer was none other than Marlon Brando himself. When confronted by Chris, Marlon denied everything, was completely indignant, and threatened to leave the set unless I managed to not only control Chris, but make him apologize. This took some convincing, but I finally managed to get everyone calmed down, Chris apologized, and we got back to work. Though he vehemently denied it, I believe it was indeed Brando who was destroying Chris's toilet, as after the on set incident, it stopped.
>Richard Donner 2005 AFI interview
Plothole:
Super man can reverse time to prevent Lois death.
Why he did not reverse time to save Pa Kent? He could've gone back I time and told Pa Kent to take that day off and go to a spa rather than try and attempt field work . Or check into a hospital
That's not a ploth hole. Thats a deus ex machina. And notwhere is said that he could travel back in time so many years.
Try to focus on the actual problems without overdoing it
Back when heroes were actually heroic, likeable and cool. There was never a need to reinvent them. Everything was perfect.
Heroes today are either psychotic or a complete joke. There is no middle-ground where actual characters with weight to them exist. They just took the human element out of super-human and made it into a corporate business religion for the masses. Ironically The Joker follows the formula much more closely than movies about heroes, easily the best modern comic book film.
You were saying actually non-moronic stuff until you had to like that stupid flick
Americans love their nationalistic indoctrination represented in the media like in Reeve's Superman.
When Snyder dropped that stupid shit, yanks complained something was lacking. But it was much better than that corny and dated capeshit
>But it was much better than
Still nobody liked that shit, lmao
Americans with their shit taste of course.
Everyone else loved it, Indians, euros, Chinese, etc
I watched it as a kid after I had already finished the animated series. It's more for fans of TAS.
superman 1978 is a movie for children made by adults
man of steel is a movie for manchildren made by manchildren
Accurate
Applies to most capeshit.