Swamp Thing got cancelled because they lost their tax credits
IIRC, Titans and Doom Patrol film in Toronto, Swamp Thing filmed in North Carolina and the state offered incentives for TV and movie production, that's what WB was using to fund the show, then the state voted to scrap it altogether.
Too much batwank focus, as is typically of a lot of other things.
The service isn't dead, it just got restricted to comics only when the AT&T merger happened, although even if that or the DISCO joint venture hadn't happened, the service - like many other niche streamers - would have been folded into something else.
Believe it or not, Titans actually did better than DP.
Nope
surprisingly the first two seasons did well in terms of ratings. But it was mostly popular outside of comic fan circles.
It has less content if you look for tags on something like tumblr or reddit, and the measured social media impressions it has were also low. It never got the traction that something like Incredible or The Boys did, PAST the 'Frick Batman' stories, which hurt more than helped, in the same way the 'Batman is a Facist' lined hurt Blue Beetle as well, since audience have clearly stated they were 'surprised' at how much they liked the movie once they streamed it for free on HBO Max, etc.
DISCO will eventually license Titans (and Doom Patrol) to Tubi like the did Swamp Things but without promotion or without licensing it to someone like Prime or Netflix, it's not going to grow any interest with normies just being available on HBO Max.
i hate live-action TV versions of anything. Not only are there budget constraints for power effects, but that they also hide it behind long dialogue and normal scenes. I remember an episode where they were warped back into the old civil war days, so not only could they avoid having powers but it was a lot of virtue signaling too because slavery is bad
>spoiler
He was the best character. >starts off beating up pedos so what happened to him never happens to another kid >best friend killed in action >gets a new sidekick and even dates her >dies the same way as his friend >even when he had a chance to come back decides to stay back with his homie
hawk and dove deserved their own fricking show, both actors where so fricking incredible. loved it when dawn was going sideways because she hated how they led jericho on by getting dick to flirt with him.
They did Starfirr's actress really dirty with that wig
even if it was the original that frickin hot cheeto looking wig doesn't do any justice to the John Bryne hair Starfire had.
Also making her black and her sister doesn't make sense.It implies all of Tamaran is black.
Star is actually team mom and is one of the best characters. You get used to her appearance quite quickly and they quit being as stupid with it pretty early. Please note the 'as'. She still has some really questionable wardrobes.
One of the rare cases where the black character is still based and one of the best characters. Dove is, was, and always will be best girl out of the series, but Star is second best. Then it'd probably be Raven, then Donna. Because we were fricking robbed of Donna and never got a chance for her to develop.
There were some moments specifically when she acted more like the alien princess where I was kind of interested. But man she was an Eyesore. She reminded me of Lafawnduh from Napoleon Dynamite
I couldn’t get over the fact that Beast Boy and Starfire were so normal looking. And everyone else looked so normal too. I understand toning some things down for live-action but it was way too much.
>toning things down.
Honestly they may as well not have had Beast Boy. Especially when they started using Connor for the comedy relief. I understand budgeting issues but BB had a total of 4 animals he turned into throughout the whole show.
Iirc after Jason died in the show, Bruce immediately was looking for a new sidekick which is pretty ironic knowing Tim actually managed to be this show
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What's funny is they decided to go with the campy 60's Batman and leaned into that. I suppose it makes sense that he would be significantly older if Dick is in his 30's and they'd been working since Dick was 10? But they purposefully chose to make Bruce act the way he did so that he COULD come off as a creepy uncle. It's very dishonest. And in particular the scene where he has the list of kids to replace Jason Todd in the Batcomputer was not something Bruce would ever do.
Him having that list of kids was supposed to give off CP vibes. I think Carrie Kelly and Cassandra Cain were on it along with Tim.
They did the edgy dark and gritty shit, which isn't bad in concept but holy shit does the execution leave a lot to be desired.
I swear wannabe edgy kids who write learn there's very few restrictions on streaming and decide to indulge in their worst habits.
Dick being violent as frick from A. Batman's upbringing and B. Trigon's influence is a cool idea that they do barely anything with
What's funny is they decided to go with the campy 60's Batman and leaned into that. I suppose it makes sense that he would be significantly older if Dick is in his 30's and they'd been working since Dick was 10? But they purposefully chose to make Bruce act the way he did so that he COULD come off as a creepy uncle. It's very dishonest. And in particular the scene where he has the list of kids to replace Jason Todd in the Batcomputer was not something Bruce would ever do.
I mean Batman being insanely negligent at best and kind of completely awful at worst is just sort of a trend on TV. I saw an episode of that old Birds of Prey show once and its premise was that Bruce, like, just disappeared off the face of the planet and left Gotham to fend for itself. In the main CW continuity, he once again just fricks off and no one knows where he is. In Titans, he's just a horrible person in general.
The one live action show since West's that was actually kind to his character was Gotham, but that show was also not good. Also its finale was kinda balls. And it placed way too much emphasis on Will Smith's wife who was playing an OC.
>And it placed way too much emphasis on Will Smith's ex-wife
FTFY
But yes, started watching Gotham and Jesus, Fish is so goddamn boring, she does nothing except some Russian guy so far, I actually found Maroni way more entertaining, and Falcone is a way more intimidating villain.
Smallville did that shit too, I believe there was a point where even Doomsday got into the mix before Clark ever becomes Superman.
It's like if you did a Spider-Man show where Peter's not Spidey yet but there's Venom, Rhino, Doc Ock, and Kraven running around
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You don't even need to go that far back. Gotham was a show that existed.
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That's what I was talking about in response
In Gotham, before there's even a Batman there's already >Scarecrow >Riddler >Penguin >Professor Pyg >Mad Hatter >Clayface >Bane >Azrael >Mr. Freeze >Poison Ivy >Firefly, albeit an OC version. >And Solomon Grundy
I can absolutely understand having a Penguin who's rising up through the ranks and the origins of say Riddler or Scarecrow but it gets asinine when almost all the well known Batman rogues are full fledged costumed villains long before there's a Batman.
Superhero prequels in general are an asinine idea
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Welp. At least in Gotham, you can definitively say that Gotham being a shitshow definitely isn't Batman's fault.
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There's an episode where they try to throw in a "Robin" archetype. Just Bruce doing detective work with some kid who gets killed
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Damn, they didn't even have the credibility to adapt the Bruce as Robin/detective Harry story from the golden age.
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>It's like if you did a Spider-Man show where Peter's not Spidey yet but there's Venom, Rhino, Doc Ock, and Kraven running around
Also in that Crisis thing with Supergirl, AU Bruce went completely bonkers and murdered Superman. It's like every on-screen TV depiction of Bruce is either a psychopath or just MIA. The only exception is Gotham.
Honestly, the Pattinson film's a miracle. It's pretty much the one live action Batman since Clooney who hasn't killed anyone or just randomly fricked off.
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didnt he kill some of the people dressed as riddler at the end of the movie when he was basically on his last legs?
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No he took some adrenaline drug and beat the frick out of him but was stopped by Catwoman and Gordon.
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i could have sworn he breaks a guys neck at one point and the scene just glosses over it.
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Nope. He never kills anyone in the entire film.
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well... the car chase scene is debateable. Lot of accidents in that scene. Though he semi makes up for it by pulling Penguin to some abandoned construction site.
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Yeah, that one was probably bad. It's weird how they just gloss over it. You'd think Gordon would be upset by what happened.
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there was literally gunshots going down the highway and batman just blows up some dudes tank. I don't think Nolan's Batman killed anyone.
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Him killing Harvey Dent was literally the entire setup for the third film anon
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>"I'm not gonna kill you, but that doesn't mean I have to save you." >Literally killed Dent
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He didn't actually kill Dent did he? I thought that was what they needed people to think so Dents legacy could be intact?
As for Ra's I feel like he knew Ra's would come back. There's no Lazarus Pit in that world but TDKR a's came back to fix Bruce's back. If not that would mean his back just got better
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No, Dent was dead. If he was alive then the plan wouldn't have worked. It was precisely because Dent was dead that they were able to start a ruse at all.
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I know dent was dead I just don't think he was killed.
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No. They all had harnesses on so when Batman knocked them off the ceiling, they should have survived.
That's what i mean. Gotham Knights, Batwoman, Titans, Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League
All have Batman murder the Joker. Because the people who constantly ask "why doesn't batman just kill the Joker" don't understand comics and now they are the ones in charge. Batman in the Snyderverse was a murderer too but Joker was only alive because he was hiding apparently. These people man... These people.
>wannabe edgy kids who write learn there's very few restrictions on streaming and decide to indulge in their worst habits.
This is exactly what happens every time because these writers are lazy as hell and would rather do edgy fanfic than try and tell a story worth anything.
It's people like that who're the reason we have Star Trek with straight up gore now, why every character swears like a goddamn sailor even in scenes where it's not needed but do anyway, like Cowboy Bebop live action.
And these entitled c**ts went on to whine about how they should be entitled to more money for what they're actually worth. It's sickening
Mid Season 3 was where i dropped it. Not only was Scarecrow not at all like the scarecrow in any adaptation, not only did the Blackfire side plot make no sense, not only was the Raven using Lazarus Pit to revive Donna Troy boring the shit out of me, but the inclusion of Tim Drake as a literal Black person homosexual was an unabashed act of hostility. Keep in mind I was already letting them slide with with chink beast boy and black starfire. But there has to be a breaking point.
Also. Speaking of diversity. They decided to go the extra mile by having Barbara Gordon lose one whole leg instead of the use of her spine. And at that point I knew these people were fricking moronic. In a world of robot men and cyborgs you mean to say this b***h couldn't get a prosthetic leg? And it's even funnier because they had to film scenes from before she lost it and the actress (who actually is missing a leg) just used a prostethic for those! So why the frick is she sitting on her ass? Because she hates Bruce? b***h, red hood is gassing the fricking the city with fear toxin. Please do something useful instead of tapping away on the computer.
BY. THE. WAY. This is the FIFTH adaptation where Bruce kills the Joker. And this time it's done so casually that it's almost psychopathic. Bruce kills the Joker after he kills Jason Todd and then "blows himself up". Which is fake because we see him alive and well later. So he just gets away with it? Frick this Batman hate. I understand in real life Joker would be dead but I don't give a shit. Either do the Death in the Family or don't.
Bottom line is there was too much going on, too many characters (to the point where they had to start bumping some off) and the adaptations of certain things were dogshit.
It was actually consistently in the top three streamed shows the weeks it was "airing." People were very much watching it. Sounds more like a "you live under a rock" issue.
First aired on a service that died before it even left the dock and the first trailer killed any good will towards it
Doom Patrol debuted on the same dead service and people sought it out on Max. Titans was just shitty fruit from a rotten tree.
Swamp Thing as well. Not sure why that was cancelled but I hear nothing but good things about that show
Swamp Thing got cancelled because they lost their tax credits
IIRC, Titans and Doom Patrol film in Toronto, Swamp Thing filmed in North Carolina and the state offered incentives for TV and movie production, that's what WB was using to fund the show, then the state voted to scrap it altogether.
Apparently Swamp Thing wasn't exactly loved by WB
WB hate money.
Believe it or not, Titans actually did better than DP.
Too much batwank focus, as is typically of a lot of other things.
The service isn't dead, it just got restricted to comics only when the AT&T merger happened, although even if that or the DISCO joint venture hadn't happened, the service - like many other niche streamers - would have been folded into something else.
Nope
It has less content if you look for tags on something like tumblr or reddit, and the measured social media impressions it has were also low. It never got the traction that something like Incredible or The Boys did, PAST the 'Frick Batman' stories, which hurt more than helped, in the same way the 'Batman is a Facist' lined hurt Blue Beetle as well, since audience have clearly stated they were 'surprised' at how much they liked the movie once they streamed it for free on HBO Max, etc.
DISCO will eventually license Titans (and Doom Patrol) to Tubi like the did Swamp Things but without promotion or without licensing it to someone like Prime or Netflix, it's not going to grow any interest with normies just being available on HBO Max.
i hate live-action TV versions of anything. Not only are there budget constraints for power effects, but that they also hide it behind long dialogue and normal scenes. I remember an episode where they were warped back into the old civil war days, so not only could they avoid having powers but it was a lot of virtue signaling too because slavery is bad
It was comfy, but season 2 was pretty shit. And killing hawk was just moronic and felt unnecessary.
Oh. And "frick batman" edgy robin in the initial trailer.
>spoiler
He was the best character.
>starts off beating up pedos so what happened to him never happens to another kid
>best friend killed in action
>gets a new sidekick and even dates her
>dies the same way as his friend
>even when he had a chance to come back decides to stay back with his homie
hawk and dove deserved their own fricking show, both actors where so fricking incredible. loved it when dawn was going sideways because she hated how they led jericho on by getting dick to flirt with him.
Well you see anon, it was dogshit and nobody watched it.
>Original
even if it was the original that frickin hot cheeto looking wig doesn't do any justice to the John Bryne hair Starfire had.
Also making her black and her sister doesn't make sense.It implies all of Tamaran is black.
>It implies all of Tamaran is black
Disgusting. Also, they should've just changed Red Hood's actor, the dude was too twinkish for the role.
They did Starfirr's actress really dirty with that wig
Star is actually team mom and is one of the best characters. You get used to her appearance quite quickly and they quit being as stupid with it pretty early. Please note the 'as'. She still has some really questionable wardrobes.
what episode does she stop being black?
One of the rare cases where the black character is still based and one of the best characters. Dove is, was, and always will be best girl out of the series, but Star is second best. Then it'd probably be Raven, then Donna. Because we were fricking robbed of Donna and never got a chance for her to develop.
There were some moments specifically when she acted more like the alien princess where I was kind of interested. But man she was an Eyesore. She reminded me of Lafawnduh from Napoleon Dynamite
>One of the rare cases where the black character is still based and
Post hands
I could buy that beast boy, but they should hae tinted his skin just a little bit.
Original
Your arguments are invalid by default
I couldn’t get over the fact that Beast Boy and Starfire were so normal looking. And everyone else looked so normal too. I understand toning some things down for live-action but it was way too much.
>toning things down.
Honestly they may as well not have had Beast Boy. Especially when they started using Connor for the comedy relief. I understand budgeting issues but BB had a total of 4 animals he turned into throughout the whole show.
surprisingly the first two seasons did well in terms of ratings. But it was mostly popular outside of comic fan circles.
I remember Bruce being like a 50-year-old psychopath in this show. I can't really imagine the actor putting on a batsuit.
Iirc after Jason died in the show, Bruce immediately was looking for a new sidekick which is pretty ironic knowing Tim actually managed to be this show
Him having that list of kids was supposed to give off CP vibes. I think Carrie Kelly and Cassandra Cain were on it along with Tim.
What's funny is they decided to go with the campy 60's Batman and leaned into that. I suppose it makes sense that he would be significantly older if Dick is in his 30's and they'd been working since Dick was 10? But they purposefully chose to make Bruce act the way he did so that he COULD come off as a creepy uncle. It's very dishonest. And in particular the scene where he has the list of kids to replace Jason Todd in the Batcomputer was not something Bruce would ever do.
I mean Batman being insanely negligent at best and kind of completely awful at worst is just sort of a trend on TV. I saw an episode of that old Birds of Prey show once and its premise was that Bruce, like, just disappeared off the face of the planet and left Gotham to fend for itself. In the main CW continuity, he once again just fricks off and no one knows where he is. In Titans, he's just a horrible person in general.
The one live action show since West's that was actually kind to his character was Gotham, but that show was also not good. Also its finale was kinda balls. And it placed way too much emphasis on Will Smith's wife who was playing an OC.
I agree with everything except Githam not being good. Yes the finale was a rushed mess though. Rest of the show was at least a 65/100
>And it placed way too much emphasis on Will Smith's ex-wife
FTFY
But yes, started watching Gotham and Jesus, Fish is so goddamn boring, she does nothing except some Russian guy so far, I actually found Maroni way more entertaining, and Falcone is a way more intimidating villain.
Just wait till they introduce more and more Batman villains
Smallville did that shit too, I believe there was a point where even Doomsday got into the mix before Clark ever becomes Superman.
It's like if you did a Spider-Man show where Peter's not Spidey yet but there's Venom, Rhino, Doc Ock, and Kraven running around
You don't even need to go that far back. Gotham was a show that existed.
That's what I was talking about in response
In Gotham, before there's even a Batman there's already
>Scarecrow
>Riddler
>Penguin
>Professor Pyg
>Mad Hatter
>Clayface
>Bane
>Azrael
>Mr. Freeze
>Poison Ivy
>Firefly, albeit an OC version.
>And Solomon Grundy
I can absolutely understand having a Penguin who's rising up through the ranks and the origins of say Riddler or Scarecrow but it gets asinine when almost all the well known Batman rogues are full fledged costumed villains long before there's a Batman.
Superhero prequels in general are an asinine idea
Welp. At least in Gotham, you can definitively say that Gotham being a shitshow definitely isn't Batman's fault.
There's an episode where they try to throw in a "Robin" archetype. Just Bruce doing detective work with some kid who gets killed
Damn, they didn't even have the credibility to adapt the Bruce as Robin/detective Harry story from the golden age.
>It's like if you did a Spider-Man show where Peter's not Spidey yet but there's Venom, Rhino, Doc Ock, and Kraven running around
Sony is literally doing that right now
Also in that Crisis thing with Supergirl, AU Bruce went completely bonkers and murdered Superman. It's like every on-screen TV depiction of Bruce is either a psychopath or just MIA. The only exception is Gotham.
TV writers nowadays are woke and wokies hate Batman with a burning passion
Honestly, the Pattinson film's a miracle. It's pretty much the one live action Batman since Clooney who hasn't killed anyone or just randomly fricked off.
didnt he kill some of the people dressed as riddler at the end of the movie when he was basically on his last legs?
No he took some adrenaline drug and beat the frick out of him but was stopped by Catwoman and Gordon.
i could have sworn he breaks a guys neck at one point and the scene just glosses over it.
Nope. He never kills anyone in the entire film.
well... the car chase scene is debateable. Lot of accidents in that scene. Though he semi makes up for it by pulling Penguin to some abandoned construction site.
Yeah, that one was probably bad. It's weird how they just gloss over it. You'd think Gordon would be upset by what happened.
there was literally gunshots going down the highway and batman just blows up some dudes tank. I don't think Nolan's Batman killed anyone.
Him killing Harvey Dent was literally the entire setup for the third film anon
>"I'm not gonna kill you, but that doesn't mean I have to save you."
>Literally killed Dent
He didn't actually kill Dent did he? I thought that was what they needed people to think so Dents legacy could be intact?
As for Ra's I feel like he knew Ra's would come back. There's no Lazarus Pit in that world but TDKR a's came back to fix Bruce's back. If not that would mean his back just got better
No, Dent was dead. If he was alive then the plan wouldn't have worked. It was precisely because Dent was dead that they were able to start a ruse at all.
I know dent was dead I just don't think he was killed.
No. They all had harnesses on so when Batman knocked them off the ceiling, they should have survived.
That's what i mean. Gotham Knights, Batwoman, Titans, Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League
All have Batman murder the Joker. Because the people who constantly ask "why doesn't batman just kill the Joker" don't understand comics and now they are the ones in charge. Batman in the Snyderverse was a murderer too but Joker was only alive because he was hiding apparently. These people man... These people.
They did the edgy dark and gritty shit, which isn't bad in concept but holy shit does the execution leave a lot to be desired.
I swear wannabe edgy kids who write learn there's very few restrictions on streaming and decide to indulge in their worst habits.
Dick being violent as frick from A. Batman's upbringing and B. Trigon's influence is a cool idea that they do barely anything with
The show worked best during season 4, as that is the one with the least amount of everyone being a total edgelord.
>wannabe edgy kids who write learn there's very few restrictions on streaming and decide to indulge in their worst habits.
This is exactly what happens every time because these writers are lazy as hell and would rather do edgy fanfic than try and tell a story worth anything.
It's people like that who're the reason we have Star Trek with straight up gore now, why every character swears like a goddamn sailor even in scenes where it's not needed but do anyway, like Cowboy Bebop live action.
And these entitled c**ts went on to whine about how they should be entitled to more money for what they're actually worth. It's sickening
Mid Season 3 was where i dropped it. Not only was Scarecrow not at all like the scarecrow in any adaptation, not only did the Blackfire side plot make no sense, not only was the Raven using Lazarus Pit to revive Donna Troy boring the shit out of me, but the inclusion of Tim Drake as a literal Black person homosexual was an unabashed act of hostility. Keep in mind I was already letting them slide with with chink beast boy and black starfire. But there has to be a breaking point.
Also. Speaking of diversity. They decided to go the extra mile by having Barbara Gordon lose one whole leg instead of the use of her spine. And at that point I knew these people were fricking moronic. In a world of robot men and cyborgs you mean to say this b***h couldn't get a prosthetic leg? And it's even funnier because they had to film scenes from before she lost it and the actress (who actually is missing a leg) just used a prostethic for those! So why the frick is she sitting on her ass? Because she hates Bruce? b***h, red hood is gassing the fricking the city with fear toxin. Please do something useful instead of tapping away on the computer.
BY. THE. WAY. This is the FIFTH adaptation where Bruce kills the Joker. And this time it's done so casually that it's almost psychopathic. Bruce kills the Joker after he kills Jason Todd and then "blows himself up". Which is fake because we see him alive and well later. So he just gets away with it? Frick this Batman hate. I understand in real life Joker would be dead but I don't give a shit. Either do the Death in the Family or don't.
Bottom line is there was too much going on, too many characters (to the point where they had to start bumping some off) and the adaptations of certain things were dogshit.
It sucked ass
Beast Boy in this is such a hottie
his newds got leaked years ago, if you want them.
It was actually consistently in the top three streamed shows the weeks it was "airing." People were very much watching it. Sounds more like a "you live under a rock" issue.
Is it done? It felt like the were waiting for Doom Patrol to ends first.
it finished months ago, same with doom patrol.