There are no such thing as baby orcs, they are grown in pods and hatch when they are at full size, they have no civilization, and are sustained by Sauron’s magic, without a wizard to control em and make new ones they’d die off
>There are no such thing as baby orcs, they are grown in pods and hatch when they are at full size
Bullshit. >without a wizard to control em and make new ones they’d die off
Even more bullshit. The orcs survived the war of the rings for a couple of hundred years before fading of into obscurity for good.
>If Orks are twisted Elves (or whatever original race) and breed normally then they are capable of redemption and exterminating Orks is morally wrong. >But if Orks are a creation of Melkor then Melkor could actually be able to create things, which is theologically wrong.
This is actually why he struggled with the existence of orcs until the end of his life. It is indeed a dilemma from a Christian perspective. Dragons also were apparently made by him and they also breed and reproduce.
Originally they were twisted elves. And it is somewhat implied (but never outright stated) that later ones were also made from humans. Morgoth could not create his own sentient lifeforms, so he changed ones that were already around and made orcs that way.
But that doesn't mean they aren't their own species. They do frick and reproduce.
>>"Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?" >"Well, yeah, it goes without saying doesn't it?"
This is why I despise nerdy lore bullshit, yes let's all ponder what Chewbacca's second cousin majored in at Kashyyyk polytechnic
Wanting answers to questions no one would ask if they're at all busy with no loser shit
Why does every story need to be some cynical third-dimensional low vibration portrayal of humanity? Tolkien was imagining/writing about something greater, there's never anything wrong with that.
He kind of did. The main story arc was done but lots of other stuff has been finished by his son and there are many details about his work that he kept changing his mind about.
that's his nepo baby son trying to make a few bucks. Christopher edited a few of his unfinished works and published them without his consent (not that he could give it anyway).
The 'orc question' is specifically answered both by the original trilogy as well as the extended work. The surviving orcs retreated into dark woods and caves in relatively few numbers and reverted to an even more feral stage. Their numbers were further reduced by human hunting parties until they faded into obscurity and became monsters of myth. They never managed to become a major threat again without a dark lord.
Elves do not take orc prisoners whatsoever and under no circumstances, that implies the killing of orc babies.
What a gay thing to think about really, yes let's spare this monster baby because we're homosexuals.
It's obviously the thought of someone that couldn't kill for any reason
No you see Anon it's immoral to kill something you know will grow up to become a murdering raping monster 99.99% of the time because if you kill the 0.01% that would grow up to be just kind of an butthole that makes YOU irredeemably evil, because life is a Christian fable where the first and only frick up you do can condemn you to Hell forever no matter how much good you do so you have to sit there paralyzed in a perpetual state of fear doing nothing lest you risk burning in hellfire forever even if your actions make the world an inarguable paradise for the rest of it's existence at the cost of doing a little evil a few times in a few years.
Tolkien didn't need to autistically lay out the kingdom running details because we already know Aragorn was wise and good. Of there was famine he solved it in a wise and good way. If there was war he solved it in a wise and good way. That's why we was known as wise and good, not stupid and wishy-washy. Fathack just can't into reading which is hilarious.
why did he even write lotr then? just write "they managed to destroy the ring because they were fellas" and let the reader think himself all the story beats
Having Aragorn get saddled with bullshit bureaucracy at the end of LOTR would have actually been a very good fit for the main themes of the series, which is the death of the old, agrarian, magical world of elves, in favour of the industrialised world of both orcs as well as men. The elves were a superior species who lived forever and operated on magical thinking. Aragorn, presiding over the world of men that came to replace them, would have to sit down and deal with bullshit like taxation.
A very good allegory for the industrialised age that Tolkien decried so much.
>Man who's unfinished series was forgotten 1 millisecond after the HBO show ended criticizes man who wrote a timeless series that will be read for 1000 years
How do Tolkienbros feel about Wheel of Time?
I ask because I haven't ready LotR yet and opted to read WoT first because my grandpa knew Jordan. It's good but holy frick does it just get slower and slower as it goes on. On book 10 now.
haven't read it, but i've been getting into brandson sanderson through stormlight archives, and i know he's the one that finished it
is it worth it to get into despite being that slow? stormlight archives has been a wild ride so far
This, even when the book focuses on two orcs who want to abandon Sauron they just want to be free of a big boss and find somewhere isolated where they could raid humans and be their own boss.
The appendices include a summary/timeline of what happens after Sauron is defeated. Aragorn and Eomer go to war in the South pacifying the evil men. And I'm pretty sure Tolkien talks about the Shire's tax situation and responsibilities to the King in the story itself.
Did no one here actually read LotR? I always suspected given how much people cream themselves over the PJ movies.
You could piece together everything Gurm is complaining about. There's trade isn't it? Beor is charging tolls. There's farms and fields and whatnot. There's tribute paid by defeated kingdoms.
Tolkien tried to create a Mythology for England and will be remembered as one of the founding fathers of fantasy literature as a whole.
Fat Man Martin just writes pulp fiction stories about sex, violence and political machinations in some vaguely medieval fantasy land. And he somehow managed to write himself into a corner doing so.
I have a question for Tolkine fans, are the books/movies meant to be post apocalyptic in any way. As i was watching the movies i realized how little society they have, even when they go to places that are major areas they all feel small and there are also ruins everywhere. The whole thing kind of feels like the best times have long long ago passed and only small pockets of society remain. The largest society i seen so far (only seen two movies) was that tavern town in the first movie where they meet Aragorn. Everything else feels small and like a small society decades after a war or something.
>post-apocalyptic
In a way. The story plays at the end of the third age. Many great civilizations of elves and humans have already come and gone. The elves are leaving Middleearth forever and magic leaves with them, the great human kingdoms are diminished and the dwarves are becoming more and more seclusive.
The fourth age which begins with the end of the story and the return of the great human king is the beginning of the great age of humans and at the same time the end of the magical age. Things become more like in our world. But humanity will flourish.
The central theme of Tolkien's work is that everything decays over time. Middle Earth Elves are a shadow of their former selves except for a few OGs like Galadriel, Ubermensch who could live for hundreds of years are mostly gone except a few like Aragorn or Denethor. Even the bad guys are nothing like their predecessors Sauron was bud a lieutenant of Morgoth, Smaug the Dragon was tiny compared to dragons of the past.
Besides that the entire Middle Earth was ravaged by a plague that was likely magical in nature and made by Sauron to soften up his two chief enemies Gondor in the south and Arnor in the north, where Hobbits live and Bree (tavern town) is. The northern kingdom was destroyed and its people scattered following a devastating civil war followed by a war with a kingdom of Angmar which was lead by one of Saurons ringwraiths. Gondor is more populated and would look like a typical kingdom with several cities and countryside, but most of the story takes place on the road through now desolate northern kingdom, abandoned Moria and Rohan which was never too populated to begin with. Plus the movies portray Galadriel as some forest witch living in a hut instead of a Queen ruling out of a beautiful city.
So yeah, LotR takes place in a desolated, war ravaged place. If the story happened a thousand years earlier Bree would be a trading town, on the road to Moria there'd be an Elvish kingdom, Moria would be a Dwarwish kingdom, Galadriel's domain is still a functioning kingdom as is Rohan.
So that's where this stupid idea comes from. Honestly I'm not even surprised, only a fat useless frick like martin can think the same way as the average Cinemaphile poster and sniff his own farts thinking they're funny. The tax LOTR threads are some of the most unfunny threads I have ever seen on this board. It is the most absolute peak stupidity I have ever seen here and not in a good absurdist way at all. The kind of stupid that makes you lose faith in humanity.
he is right though
If he were just talking about LotR then he would be a bit over the line, but he is referring to Tolkien's work as a whole. Tolkien obviously took world building seriously, since he wrote the Silmarillion. If he takes it so seriously then he should be answering questions like that.
>Gondor calls for financial aid!
>And the Fed will answer
>Muster the money printers
There are no such thing as baby orcs, they are grown in pods and hatch when they are at full size, they have no civilization, and are sustained by Sauron’s magic, without a wizard to control em and make new ones they’d die off
>There are no such thing as baby orcs, they are grown in pods and hatch when they are at full size
Bullshit.
>without a wizard to control em and make new ones they’d die off
Even more bullshit. The orcs survived the war of the rings for a couple of hundred years before fading of into obscurity for good.
Sauroman is shown making orcs and he hatches them fully grown from egg sacs, and they wre covered in slime
Those are Uruk Hai, homosexual
They are made the same way, Saruman just upgraded them
All the evil creatures in LOTR are made by Morgoth/Sauron from existing creatures with their magic, and are bound to the magic users who created them
The pod shit is a movie invetion. Saruman cross bred orcs and humans, how do you think that happens?
Makes no sense, he wouldnt get such a huge army that way
That's in the movies. Tolkien never decided on how Orcs were created so there's like 3 completely different ways in the source material.
That's a movie thing. Orcs frick and reproduce like any other creature in middle earth.
Or are they twisted Elves? Twisted Humans?
Elves twisted by Morgoth, because he cannot create life, only distort existing life.
naw
>If Orks are twisted Elves (or whatever original race) and breed normally then they are capable of redemption and exterminating Orks is morally wrong.
>But if Orks are a creation of Melkor then Melkor could actually be able to create things, which is theologically wrong.
This is actually why he struggled with the existence of orcs until the end of his life. It is indeed a dilemma from a Christian perspective. Dragons also were apparently made by him and they also breed and reproduce.
Originally they were twisted elves. And it is somewhat implied (but never outright stated) that later ones were also made from humans. Morgoth could not create his own sentient lifeforms, so he changed ones that were already around and made orcs that way.
But that doesn't mean they aren't their own species. They do frick and reproduce.
But didn't Tolkien change his mind on that since he couldn't square Orcs having fea?
Tolkien never thought it through.
george is the type of homie that's wondering why lady gwynevere is so big insteaf of just jerking off to the fanarts
>>"Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?"
>"Well, yeah, it goes without saying doesn't it?"
there's some decent fanfiction out there that goes into that actually.
You turn in your man card the second you admit you read fanfiction, gayola
>"Wizard magic", Tolkien replied softly.
>"Bu, bu, bu, bu-", George bumbled, fatly.
>"Wizard. Magic.", Tolkien repeated.
>sunset found George squatting spherically in the grass
>like an out of work sumo wrestler, only Caucasian. Out of breath from trying to lift his spirits, he shat.
>"Black magic", Amazon replied softly.
>"Bu, bu, bu, bu-", Tolkien bumbled.
>"Black. Magic.", Amazon repeated.
This is why I despise nerdy lore bullshit, yes let's all ponder what Chewbacca's second cousin majored in at Kashyyyk polytechnic
Wanting answers to questions no one would ask if they're at all busy with no loser shit
but tolkien was the lore nerd. he created lore first and then the story. he made up fake languages and world histories for his gay characters
You are moronic.
Why does every story need to be some cynical third-dimensional low vibration portrayal of humanity? Tolkien was imagining/writing about something greater, there's never anything wrong with that.
Modern myth has to be cynical and negative, accentuate the flaws in mankind not its potential.
That's basically what he is arguing for.
Tolkien was seething about Britons having no culture
You know what else Tolkien didn't do? Leave his books unfinished.
He kind of did. The main story arc was done but lots of other stuff has been finished by his son and there are many details about his work that he kept changing his mind about.
His trilogy has a definitive beginning, middle and end, George.
>unfinished tales
>still gets published
lmao chad tolkien
that's his nepo baby son trying to make a few bucks. Christopher edited a few of his unfinished works and published them without his consent (not that he could give it anyway).
And still greater and more complete than anything the fat c**t ever did.
am I to assume we're getting some info on the blue wizards in this book? based on the cover anyway.
Nope. There's a section on "Istari" but it's short, and only really covers Gandalf and Sauronman
Is this real? The hell is this from?
A Song of Ice and Fire.
The 'orc question' is specifically answered both by the original trilogy as well as the extended work. The surviving orcs retreated into dark woods and caves in relatively few numbers and reverted to an even more feral stage. Their numbers were further reduced by human hunting parties until they faded into obscurity and became monsters of myth. They never managed to become a major threat again without a dark lord.
Elves do not take orc prisoners whatsoever and under no circumstances, that implies the killing of orc babies.
What a gay thing to think about really, yes let's spare this monster baby because we're homosexuals.
It's obviously the thought of someone that couldn't kill for any reason
No you see Anon it's immoral to kill something you know will grow up to become a murdering raping monster 99.99% of the time because if you kill the 0.01% that would grow up to be just kind of an butthole that makes YOU irredeemably evil, because life is a Christian fable where the first and only frick up you do can condemn you to Hell forever no matter how much good you do so you have to sit there paralyzed in a perpetual state of fear doing nothing lest you risk burning in hellfire forever even if your actions make the world an inarguable paradise for the rest of it's existence at the cost of doing a little evil a few times in a few years.
Source? Would love to read this in Tolkien's own words.
What a israeli gentleman.
"What is Aragorn's age of consent? What does he do when he has explosive diarrea?"
Tolkien didn't need to autistically lay out the kingdom running details because we already know Aragorn was wise and good. Of there was famine he solved it in a wise and good way. If there was war he solved it in a wise and good way. That's why we was known as wise and good, not stupid and wishy-washy. Fathack just can't into reading which is hilarious.
why did he even write lotr then? just write "they managed to destroy the ring because they were fellas" and let the reader think himself all the story beats
What about the orcs, did he wise and good them too?
Yes, he wisely and goodly genocide them
The entire point of the quote is to critisise that idea.
Having Aragorn get saddled with bullshit bureaucracy at the end of LOTR would have actually been a very good fit for the main themes of the series, which is the death of the old, agrarian, magical world of elves, in favour of the industrialised world of both orcs as well as men. The elves were a superior species who lived forever and operated on magical thinking. Aragorn, presiding over the world of men that came to replace them, would have to sit down and deal with bullshit like taxation.
A very good allegory for the industrialised age that Tolkien decried so much.
>Tolkien can say that Aragorm became king
Well that's further than GRRM ever got in his own books
>Man who's unfinished series was forgotten 1 millisecond after the HBO show ended criticizes man who wrote a timeless series that will be read for 1000 years
>Man who's unfinished series was forgotten 1 millisecond after the HBO show ended
The North remembers.
How do Tolkienbros feel about Wheel of Time?
I ask because I haven't ready LotR yet and opted to read WoT first because my grandpa knew Jordan. It's good but holy frick does it just get slower and slower as it goes on. On book 10 now.
haven't read it, but i've been getting into brandson sanderson through stormlight archives, and i know he's the one that finished it
is it worth it to get into despite being that slow? stormlight archives has been a wild ride so far
Do even his own books address those? I don't remember there being any economy shit in them.
Just debts the Baratheon throne incurred due to Robert's spending and the war. They mention needing loans from the Iron Bank, taxes I'm not as sure.
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Off course he did. In LOTR lore there is no ambiguity, good is good and evil is evil. Killing all the orcs and goblins is a given.
This, even when the book focuses on two orcs who want to abandon Sauron they just want to be free of a big boss and find somewhere isolated where they could raid humans and be their own boss.
The appendices include a summary/timeline of what happens after Sauron is defeated. Aragorn and Eomer go to war in the South pacifying the evil men. And I'm pretty sure Tolkien talks about the Shire's tax situation and responsibilities to the King in the story itself.
Did no one here actually read LotR? I always suspected given how much people cream themselves over the PJ movies.
You could piece together everything Gurm is complaining about. There's trade isn't it? Beor is charging tolls. There's farms and fields and whatnot. There's tribute paid by defeated kingdoms.
The Shire is made part of the United Kingdom but is given full automy, no taxes and humans aren't allowed in the Shire.
I am fricking sick of nihilistic grey morality “hurr durr good’s not real” trite
Good is real, but it's like a state of temporary grace, and once you get in power it dissipates quickly.
watch Barney then, manchild
>muh grey moral relativist bullshit
Tolkien tried to create a Mythology for England and will be remembered as one of the founding fathers of fantasy literature as a whole.
Fat Man Martin just writes pulp fiction stories about sex, violence and political machinations in some vaguely medieval fantasy land. And he somehow managed to write himself into a corner doing so.
GRRM never fails to make Cinemaphile seethe. Why is that?
>His stocks took a little tumble off the cliff.
>GRRM is bad for daring to ask questions
Tolkiengays are pathetic.
>Tolkien can actually write and finish a multi-book masterpiece that will still be read and be beloved for generations to come.
Very true, Martin, very true. Now fricking die already, you fat hack.
I have a question for Tolkine fans, are the books/movies meant to be post apocalyptic in any way. As i was watching the movies i realized how little society they have, even when they go to places that are major areas they all feel small and there are also ruins everywhere. The whole thing kind of feels like the best times have long long ago passed and only small pockets of society remain. The largest society i seen so far (only seen two movies) was that tavern town in the first movie where they meet Aragorn. Everything else feels small and like a small society decades after a war or something.
Opposite, it's supposed to be this world but way in the past.
Then why are the kingdoms all super small?
Boot up a game of dwarf fortress and let it generate a world. That's more or less a silmarillion simulator.
A big theme in the books is decay, as time goes on things diminish or lessen. It pretty much permeates every part of the story.
>post-apocalyptic
In a way. The story plays at the end of the third age. Many great civilizations of elves and humans have already come and gone. The elves are leaving Middleearth forever and magic leaves with them, the great human kingdoms are diminished and the dwarves are becoming more and more seclusive.
The fourth age which begins with the end of the story and the return of the great human king is the beginning of the great age of humans and at the same time the end of the magical age. Things become more like in our world. But humanity will flourish.
The central theme of Tolkien's work is that everything decays over time. Middle Earth Elves are a shadow of their former selves except for a few OGs like Galadriel, Ubermensch who could live for hundreds of years are mostly gone except a few like Aragorn or Denethor. Even the bad guys are nothing like their predecessors Sauron was bud a lieutenant of Morgoth, Smaug the Dragon was tiny compared to dragons of the past.
Besides that the entire Middle Earth was ravaged by a plague that was likely magical in nature and made by Sauron to soften up his two chief enemies Gondor in the south and Arnor in the north, where Hobbits live and Bree (tavern town) is. The northern kingdom was destroyed and its people scattered following a devastating civil war followed by a war with a kingdom of Angmar which was lead by one of Saurons ringwraiths. Gondor is more populated and would look like a typical kingdom with several cities and countryside, but most of the story takes place on the road through now desolate northern kingdom, abandoned Moria and Rohan which was never too populated to begin with. Plus the movies portray Galadriel as some forest witch living in a hut instead of a Queen ruling out of a beautiful city.
So yeah, LotR takes place in a desolated, war ravaged place. If the story happened a thousand years earlier Bree would be a trading town, on the road to Moria there'd be an Elvish kingdom, Moria would be a Dwarwish kingdom, Galadriel's domain is still a functioning kingdom as is Rohan.
That's why people are interested in fantasy, to think about taxes.
So that's where this stupid idea comes from. Honestly I'm not even surprised, only a fat useless frick like martin can think the same way as the average Cinemaphile poster and sniff his own farts thinking they're funny. The tax LOTR threads are some of the most unfunny threads I have ever seen on this board. It is the most absolute peak stupidity I have ever seen here and not in a good absurdist way at all. The kind of stupid that makes you lose faith in humanity.
What's capeshit about a cavalry charge.
he is right though
If he were just talking about LotR then he would be a bit over the line, but he is referring to Tolkien's work as a whole. Tolkien obviously took world building seriously, since he wrote the Silmarillion. If he takes it so seriously then he should be answering questions like that.
He was at heart a medievalist, and their worldview is more simple than the one we live in today.
George is unironically right. LOTR has the complexity of a Marvel capeshit story.
You cannot grasp the transcendent in art and neither can George. Gnosticsm is gay, but "hylic" is the perfect word for you people.