>3 fricking hours
All this just for some shitty "war is le bad" take, who even watches shit like this anymore?
The funniest part about it is that this homosexual wasn't even being forced to kill people unlike many of the conscripts from conquered territory, he was offered medical service but still refuse because muh oath to Hitler
Just lie motherfricker, the priest literally spells it out for him, God doesn't care what you say, only what you believe.
I can't think of this film as anything more than a convoluted story about an assisted suicide.
Mallick should just retire at this point, he has not made a single good film since days of heaven
the movie is about how oppressive regimes will use people's family/community to get people to compromise what they believe. about how doing the right thing, often, hell, almost always, doesn't have a reward.
>how oppressive regimes will use people's family/community to get people to compromise what they believe.
they didn't need to considering most of his village was already filled with nazi sympathizers, he's honestly far worse than the ones who went to answer the call, he went down a self indulging route for his moralhomosexualry with complete disregard for his family and children.
just go serve as a medic and pray you make it out alive of the war, what's his lonely struggle going to accomplish other than to deprave those girls from their father?
by further illustrating how said oppressive regime was using his family/community against him, to try to force him to compromise what he believed in.
2 years ago
Anonymous
not in a psychologically complex or interesting way though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
but they didn't use shit against him, his community itself was already sympathetic to the regime, they were ranting about israelites and immigrants long before he received the letter.
2 years ago
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do you know what propaganda is? like... at all?
2 years ago
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>propaganda >in some remote village up the mountains
is this where we pretend everyone was just fooled by "propaganda" and there are no people who were just genuinely onboard with killing minorities and the disabled?
2 years ago
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>>in some remote village up the mountains
yep. if you had paid attention to the movie, you would've seen it taking hold of the community.
you realize you're just strengthening the argument against you, right?
making this story about Hitler is inherantly boring because it entangles a personal decision about right and wrong with a much broader issue that is already settled. hence Man For All Seasons being better. you've got to attack the "why even bother resisting" issue directly or you're just going to get melodrama and hagiography.
what you're really saying is >i can't separate hitler from the holocaust, i can't view hitler as an oppressive dictator.
the tactics employed to compel conscription, alone, are evil. everything else could've been, (and probably should've been, for the sake of people like you) glossed over, obfuscated, or outright ignored, because the movie isn't about hitler, the holocaust, or world war 2, its about resisting tyranny, even even if its hard, if there is no benefit.
he didn't resist tyranny. he was merely victimized by it.
2 years ago
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>not doing what a tyrant wants isn't resisting
2 years ago
Anonymous
What did he achieve though? Who did he save? Wouldn't it have sufficed to refuse an order to kill or hurt someone? Doesn't it go "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's"? Playing devil's advocate here but the way the movie portrayed things I felt the character behaved pettily.
2 years ago
Anonymous
well, at the end of the movie, he's dead, his family is recovering, his community is starting to turn back around, and we're talking about him right the frick now, as its a true story.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are dodging my questions. A refusal of serving one's country comes with harsh consequences. That's not exclusive to the Nazis. Why would anyone be swayed by your position for you getting killed for rejecting service?
2 years ago
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>serving one's country
he wasn't german. he was austrian. his government was insisting he go fight and die for germany. he wasn't refusing nationalist service, he was refusing service to ANOTHER NATION.
2 years ago
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Germans and Austrians aren't really all that dissimilar and have historically been subjected to the same government.
2 years ago
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at that time, they weren't subjected to the same government.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Everything about this is wrong and only someone from across the pond could write ignorant statements of this sort.
2 years ago
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Clear it up then.
2 years ago
Anonymous
he's just another buttmad Austrian snowflake who seethes at any notion of being related to Germans.
I studied with an Austrian exchange student in my uni and the guy was so unhinged about the whole topic he tried convincing me that they actually didn't speak German in Austria but a dialect different enough to be called austrian
2 years ago
Anonymous
yea, there's a lot of that type of sentiment from people of the various nations of europe. especially people who's neighbors one day just decide their country is no longer their country.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Austria existed for hundreds of years before Germany was ever a thing, if anything it's the Germans that are Austrians considering we've ruled over them for like a thousand year.
'German" is just a made up identity used by Prussians to unify backwater shitty kingdoms into their dominion under a meme shared identity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's the Germans that are Austrians
What does it matter in this context? It's a similar people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>still seething
das ist einfach nur traurig
2 years ago
Anonymous
Germans and Austrians are neither "similar" nor "dissimilar" and it all depends on the specific region and people within the individual country. We're (Germany) a historically diverse country with hundreds of different social and cultural customs and aspects that range from stark language differences to religious thought. Not to mention that racially speaking Germans also greatly differ depending on what place you look at. Before you make ignorant statements like "Austria and Germany" are similar you should realize just how fricking different people in the next village and town in Germany are compared to those living on the other side of the forest. That's just Germany, Austria has an even stronger racial difference due to its historic land.
I don't know what "subjected to the same government" means because frick, dude, German states and Austria have, if anything, historically been at the other's throat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>don't know what "subjected to the same government" means
he's basically regurgitating the logic hitler used to annex austria in the first place.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dude it's virtually the same to anyone outside looking in. What, you wear different color lederhosen or eat a different kebab and suddenly it's so diverse? Schwartzmann pls.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just frick off already, or do you also believe brits & Americans are the same, or that every latin american country that speaks spanish is the same?
2 years ago
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>Dude it's virtually the same to anyone outside looking in
Your ignorance is of no concern and does not represent reality. Stay over yonder, don't paddle across the pond and shut the frick up instead of asking question about things you'll just wave off when corrected about.
And where do you draw the line? Isn't every family dissimilar to the next? Doesn't every family have their quirks of speech compared to the next? Germans and Austrians are similar. End of story.
2 years ago
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>And where do you draw the line?
You're the one drawing something to begin with, flipper. We don't care. Germans don't think of Austrians as similar and neither do Austrians.
2 years ago
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I'm not even sure it matters. Wasn't Hitler Caesar at that point?
2 years ago
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It doesn't make sense; I literally don't understand the "sentence".
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Bible says "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's". Wasn't Hitler Caesar to the Austrians at that point?
2 years ago
Anonymous
bruh are you trying to use scripture to justify submitting to (and fighting for) oppression/subjugation?
2 years ago
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No. First of all, I haven't read about the real Jägerstätter, which is why I'm basing what I'm saying on what I've seen from the movie (around 1h of it). The fact film Jägerstätter refused doing the Hitler salute seemed petty to me, rebellious for rebellion's sake, so I turned it off. It's not that he refuses to hurt or kill but simply Caesar's authority outright. Maybe I'm wrong here, but this stuff really bugged me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You turned off the entire film because you saw a character stick to his conviction?
2 years ago
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americans be that way
2 years ago
Anonymous
yea, you're in the wrong here. his country was annexed and his community was stuffed with propaganda. then he was being told to go die for the country that was destroying his.
>moron arguing about a movie he couldn't even finish
THE definition of getting filtered.
>no refutation whatsoever
Shame.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the middle post is a complete refutation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, it's not. None of it cuts to the matter of authority.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did Caesar not annex? Did Caesar not use propaganda?
so... you are, in fact, trying to use scripture to justify submitting to (and fighting for) oppression/subjugation?
2 years ago
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>so you are...
Cringe. You have no refutation, which is honestly sad, because I want to make peace with this topic. I'll probably have to read into the guy himself and what actually happened and if that doesn't work consult other Catholics I know because I obviously don't object his beatification.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i have to understand the argument before any meaningful engagement can occur. right now i don't even know what you're saying, and my best guess is
>dude just bow to anyone who demands you bow, serve anyone who demands you serve, because that's what skydaddy said to do
2 years ago
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My main issue is the depiction of Jägerstätter as being petty when it comes to recognizing Hitler's authority. I'm generally questioning where you draw the line when it comes to obedience. As long as it doesn't offend God's law, you are to obey Caesar's, are you not? If Caesar conscribes you, aren't you to follow until he tells you to go against God?
2 years ago
Anonymous
So that is exactly what you’re saying. Your principles are worthless and meaningless and you should just go off to fight and die for whoever tells you to do so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You really aren't doing a good job here, fren.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A good job of what? This is the first time I’ve ever seen someone try to say “render unto Caesar” means bow to and serve anyone who demands it. This is such a sad and alien concept to me I don’t know what to say.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did Caesar not annex? Did Caesar not use propaganda?
2 years ago
Anonymous
yea, you're in the wrong here. his country was annexed and his community was stuffed with propaganda. then he was being told to go die for the country that was destroying his.
2 years ago
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>moron arguing about a movie he couldn't even finish
THE definition of getting filtered.
2 years ago
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What is the point that you're trying to make?
2 years ago
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>Dude it's virtually the same to anyone outside looking in
Your ignorance is of no concern and does not represent reality. Stay over yonder, don't paddle across the pond and shut the frick up instead of asking question about things you'll just wave off when corrected about.
2 years ago
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>don't know what "subjected to the same government" means
he's basically regurgitating the logic hitler used to annex austria in the first place.
I'm not even sure it matters. Wasn't Hitler Caesar at that point?
2 years ago
Anonymous
and all it took was millions of people who were willing to actually fight the Nazis.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and it could've taken even less, if people had just refused to serve.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and even less, if they had just shot Hitler themselves.
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE A COHERENT MOVIE ABOUT A WAR YOU HAVE TO FILM ACTORS AIMLESSLY WALKING AROUND LIKE moronS
cope, it's his best film in decades.
>how oppressive regimes will use people's family/community to get people to compromise what they believe.
they didn't need to considering most of his village was already filled with nazi sympathizers, he's honestly far worse than the ones who went to answer the call, he went down a self indulging route for his moralhomosexualry with complete disregard for his family and children.
just go serve as a medic and pray you make it out alive of the war, what's his lonely struggle going to accomplish other than to deprave those girls from their father?
>just betray your convictions bro
spineless cowards like you would never understand what it's like to stand up for what you believe in despite knowing you'll 100% be executed for it.
Stop pretending you're any better, you'd most certainly be a nazi had you been there, even if you didn't believe in their agenda.
Only a giant narcissist would be willing to get himself killed for some grandiose moralgayging and abandon his responsibilities towards his family.
What did he achieve though? Who did he save? Wouldn't it have sufficed to refuse an order to kill or hurt someone? Doesn't it go "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's"? Playing devil's advocate here but the way the movie portrayed things I felt the character behaved pettily.
your country, i doubt its one that matters, suddenly decided you were a conscript to go fight (and die) for israel, how would you react?
Completely different situation considering my country wouldn't put me on death row for refusing to go fight for Israel, had I been living under Nazi germany I certainly would've went to fight instead of just throwing my life away, no matter how slim of a chance it is there would still be hope to survive the war unlike if I just disobeyed.
>comparing a country in the modern world to nazi germany
are you braindead? what would my country even do to me if I refuse to fight in a war? fine me and sentence me to a 6 months vacation in jail? compare that to what the Nazis would do to you had you disobeyed their call.
It appears as you are saying that anyone standing up the state, or standing up against the mainstream thought line can only be a narcissist. As if there can be no courage's principled people that takes a stand against something.
There's a difference between standing up to CNN & Fox News on your twitter account and throwing your life away in a measly attempt to spite a totalitarian regime
The movie is not about any take. The plot is unbeliavable.
It's just 3 hours of a specific aesthethic,
There are plebs out there who say "omg this aesthetic is the best shit in the world, thank you for recommending me this movie"
and then they come back with " wtf bro it was 3 hours "
it was made to insult them, to show them that they are posers
I feel the same, way too long, to begin with.
And not accepting the lesser evil – a medic position late in a war that will be lost anyway – to save your family and turn your wife into a widow is a shit decision, period.
By the way, did you know that uh... war is LE BAD?
this is why the world is the way it is right now. because everyone screams, cries, claws, gnashes and hurls stones at anyone who implies the easy road, may not be the right road.
>his is why the world is the way it is right now
People have been behaving like that since the birth of Humanity, stop projecting your "muh degeneracy" on everything.
so you're going to tell your children to go fight and die for israel when the call comes?
You either join the resistance and take on the fight against the regime you hate, or join them and do the minimal required to survive.
But this whole "conscientious objector" thing is homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
there was no resistance to join. you're basically saying you should only ever go with the flow. that you should never have principles unless you're surrounded by people with the same principles.
you're advocating cowardice.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>People have been behaving like that since the birth of Humanity
Black person, if that were true, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. we'd still be in mudhuts in africa bathing in urine and mixing our shit with mud and covering ourselves with it so the mega-fauna don't eat us.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>People have been behaving like that since the birth of Humanity, stop projecting your "muh degeneracy" on everything.
You're just disregarding Original Sin right there.
>when that kid asks him "what do I write?" before getting executed
kino film, I don't understand the people on Cinemaphile who say there have been no good films in the past 5 years
I think he should have done his duty for his Volk and Vaterland.
While he was moaning about his convictions, men were fighting and dying against the Stalin regime. Germany was fighting for Europe against Judeo Bolshevism.
The movie was alright, but they were really just idolizing a coward. If he was truly brave he would have been on the Ostfront knocking out T34s.
yeah, I get that take now. I can see how his self-sacrifice would be a perfect ideal if he had been
(1) resisting the bad guys (nazis stood against everything that is wrong with the world) - the actual sacrifice would have been to die for them at the front
(2) didn't have family and wife. the second others depend on you, you just bite your lip and do whatever is best for them - in this case: take a fricking oath you don't mean so your 5-year-old does not have her fricking life ruined.
this is also why you don't start a family in the first place: it becomes impossible to represent the highest possible ideals. Jesus never took a wife.
One of the points the movie makes is the occupying regime is literally using his love for family against him, to force compliance. And you’re saying he should’ve just given in.
tons of images from search engines will have filenames like that. I just did a quick search on my computer for files starting with "tumblr" and got literally hundreds of results. i have never visited the site in my life and I'm not even sure what exactly tumblr is, i only know the meme of it being a place for bluehaired morbidly obese socialists.
>a man so stoic and convinced of his beliefs he's willing to die rather than undergo them
any more kino like this? this is unironically peak masculinity
It was better than A thin red line and Tree of life and Knight of cups
honestly I agree
fpwp
>3 fricking hours
All this just for some shitty "war is le bad" take, who even watches shit like this anymore?
The funniest part about it is that this homosexual wasn't even being forced to kill people unlike many of the conscripts from conquered territory, he was offered medical service but still refuse because muh oath to Hitler
Just lie motherfricker, the priest literally spells it out for him, God doesn't care what you say, only what you believe.
I can't think of this film as anything more than a convoluted story about an assisted suicide.
Mallick should just retire at this point, he has not made a single good film since days of heaven
>who even watches shit like this anymore?
>goes ahead and gives his opinion on the film
clearly you did, dumbass.
the movie is about how oppressive regimes will use people's family/community to get people to compromise what they believe. about how doing the right thing, often, hell, almost always, doesn't have a reward.
>how oppressive regimes will use people's family/community to get people to compromise what they believe.
they didn't need to considering most of his village was already filled with nazi sympathizers, he's honestly far worse than the ones who went to answer the call, he went down a self indulging route for his moralhomosexualry with complete disregard for his family and children.
just go serve as a medic and pray you make it out alive of the war, what's his lonely struggle going to accomplish other than to deprave those girls from their father?
you realize you're just strengthening the argument against you, right?
How so?
by further illustrating how said oppressive regime was using his family/community against him, to try to force him to compromise what he believed in.
not in a psychologically complex or interesting way though.
but they didn't use shit against him, his community itself was already sympathetic to the regime, they were ranting about israelites and immigrants long before he received the letter.
do you know what propaganda is? like... at all?
>propaganda
>in some remote village up the mountains
is this where we pretend everyone was just fooled by "propaganda" and there are no people who were just genuinely onboard with killing minorities and the disabled?
>>in some remote village up the mountains
yep. if you had paid attention to the movie, you would've seen it taking hold of the community.
making this story about Hitler is inherantly boring because it entangles a personal decision about right and wrong with a much broader issue that is already settled. hence Man For All Seasons being better. you've got to attack the "why even bother resisting" issue directly or you're just going to get melodrama and hagiography.
what you're really saying is
>i can't separate hitler from the holocaust, i can't view hitler as an oppressive dictator.
the tactics employed to compel conscription, alone, are evil. everything else could've been, (and probably should've been, for the sake of people like you) glossed over, obfuscated, or outright ignored, because the movie isn't about hitler, the holocaust, or world war 2, its about resisting tyranny, even even if its hard, if there is no benefit.
he didn't resist tyranny. he was merely victimized by it.
>not doing what a tyrant wants isn't resisting
What did he achieve though? Who did he save? Wouldn't it have sufficed to refuse an order to kill or hurt someone? Doesn't it go "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's"? Playing devil's advocate here but the way the movie portrayed things I felt the character behaved pettily.
well, at the end of the movie, he's dead, his family is recovering, his community is starting to turn back around, and we're talking about him right the frick now, as its a true story.
You are dodging my questions. A refusal of serving one's country comes with harsh consequences. That's not exclusive to the Nazis. Why would anyone be swayed by your position for you getting killed for rejecting service?
>serving one's country
he wasn't german. he was austrian. his government was insisting he go fight and die for germany. he wasn't refusing nationalist service, he was refusing service to ANOTHER NATION.
Germans and Austrians aren't really all that dissimilar and have historically been subjected to the same government.
at that time, they weren't subjected to the same government.
Everything about this is wrong and only someone from across the pond could write ignorant statements of this sort.
Clear it up then.
he's just another buttmad Austrian snowflake who seethes at any notion of being related to Germans.
I studied with an Austrian exchange student in my uni and the guy was so unhinged about the whole topic he tried convincing me that they actually didn't speak German in Austria but a dialect different enough to be called austrian
yea, there's a lot of that type of sentiment from people of the various nations of europe. especially people who's neighbors one day just decide their country is no longer their country.
Austria existed for hundreds of years before Germany was ever a thing, if anything it's the Germans that are Austrians considering we've ruled over them for like a thousand year.
'German" is just a made up identity used by Prussians to unify backwater shitty kingdoms into their dominion under a meme shared identity.
>it's the Germans that are Austrians
What does it matter in this context? It's a similar people.
>still seething
das ist einfach nur traurig
Germans and Austrians are neither "similar" nor "dissimilar" and it all depends on the specific region and people within the individual country. We're (Germany) a historically diverse country with hundreds of different social and cultural customs and aspects that range from stark language differences to religious thought. Not to mention that racially speaking Germans also greatly differ depending on what place you look at. Before you make ignorant statements like "Austria and Germany" are similar you should realize just how fricking different people in the next village and town in Germany are compared to those living on the other side of the forest. That's just Germany, Austria has an even stronger racial difference due to its historic land.
I don't know what "subjected to the same government" means because frick, dude, German states and Austria have, if anything, historically been at the other's throat.
>don't know what "subjected to the same government" means
he's basically regurgitating the logic hitler used to annex austria in the first place.
Dude it's virtually the same to anyone outside looking in. What, you wear different color lederhosen or eat a different kebab and suddenly it's so diverse? Schwartzmann pls.
Just frick off already, or do you also believe brits & Americans are the same, or that every latin american country that speaks spanish is the same?
And where do you draw the line? Isn't every family dissimilar to the next? Doesn't every family have their quirks of speech compared to the next? Germans and Austrians are similar. End of story.
>And where do you draw the line?
You're the one drawing something to begin with, flipper. We don't care. Germans don't think of Austrians as similar and neither do Austrians.
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It doesn't make sense; I literally don't understand the "sentence".
The Bible says "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's". Wasn't Hitler Caesar to the Austrians at that point?
bruh are you trying to use scripture to justify submitting to (and fighting for) oppression/subjugation?
No. First of all, I haven't read about the real Jägerstätter, which is why I'm basing what I'm saying on what I've seen from the movie (around 1h of it). The fact film Jägerstätter refused doing the Hitler salute seemed petty to me, rebellious for rebellion's sake, so I turned it off. It's not that he refuses to hurt or kill but simply Caesar's authority outright. Maybe I'm wrong here, but this stuff really bugged me.
You turned off the entire film because you saw a character stick to his conviction?
americans be that way
>no refutation whatsoever
Shame.
the middle post is a complete refutation.
No, it's not. None of it cuts to the matter of authority.
so... you are, in fact, trying to use scripture to justify submitting to (and fighting for) oppression/subjugation?
>so you are...
Cringe. You have no refutation, which is honestly sad, because I want to make peace with this topic. I'll probably have to read into the guy himself and what actually happened and if that doesn't work consult other Catholics I know because I obviously don't object his beatification.
i have to understand the argument before any meaningful engagement can occur. right now i don't even know what you're saying, and my best guess is
>dude just bow to anyone who demands you bow, serve anyone who demands you serve, because that's what skydaddy said to do
My main issue is the depiction of Jägerstätter as being petty when it comes to recognizing Hitler's authority. I'm generally questioning where you draw the line when it comes to obedience. As long as it doesn't offend God's law, you are to obey Caesar's, are you not? If Caesar conscribes you, aren't you to follow until he tells you to go against God?
So that is exactly what you’re saying. Your principles are worthless and meaningless and you should just go off to fight and die for whoever tells you to do so.
You really aren't doing a good job here, fren.
A good job of what? This is the first time I’ve ever seen someone try to say “render unto Caesar” means bow to and serve anyone who demands it. This is such a sad and alien concept to me I don’t know what to say.
Did Caesar not annex? Did Caesar not use propaganda?
yea, you're in the wrong here. his country was annexed and his community was stuffed with propaganda. then he was being told to go die for the country that was destroying his.
>moron arguing about a movie he couldn't even finish
THE definition of getting filtered.
What is the point that you're trying to make?
>Dude it's virtually the same to anyone outside looking in
Your ignorance is of no concern and does not represent reality. Stay over yonder, don't paddle across the pond and shut the frick up instead of asking question about things you'll just wave off when corrected about.
I'm not even sure it matters. Wasn't Hitler Caesar at that point?
and all it took was millions of people who were willing to actually fight the Nazis.
and it could've taken even less, if people had just refused to serve.
and even less, if they had just shot Hitler themselves.
just watch this, it's the actually good treatment of the theme.
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE A COHERENT MOVIE ABOUT A WAR YOU HAVE TO FILM ACTORS AIMLESSLY WALKING AROUND LIKE moronS
cope, it's his best film in decades.
who are you replying to schizo?
you got filtered dude, i don't know what you want out of Malick films but this was far superior to anything he has done in years.
>just betray your convictions bro
spineless cowards like you would never understand what it's like to stand up for what you believe in despite knowing you'll 100% be executed for it.
Stop pretending you're any better, you'd most certainly be a nazi had you been there, even if you didn't believe in their agenda.
Only a giant narcissist would be willing to get himself killed for some grandiose moralgayging and abandon his responsibilities towards his family.
>Only a giant narcissist would be willing to get himself killed for some grandiose moralgayging
tell me more about how Jesus had a wife and children that he abandoned
They got edited out because telling people that some things might be more important than your immediate family wasn’t in the church’s best interests.
any more Jesus fanfic while we're at it? what did he think about redheaded prostitutes and beer?
your country, i doubt its one that matters, suddenly decided you were a conscript to go fight (and die) for israel, how would you react?
Completely different situation considering my country wouldn't put me on death row for refusing to go fight for Israel, had I been living under Nazi germany I certainly would've went to fight instead of just throwing my life away, no matter how slim of a chance it is there would still be hope to survive the war unlike if I just disobeyed.
>completely different situation
no, it isn't. did you really miss that franz was AUSTRIAN and not german?
doesn't matter, Austria was under Nazi occupation.
so you're providing even more reason to not comply with the demands of an oppressive foreign regime?
>comparing a country in the modern world to nazi germany
are you braindead? what would my country even do to me if I refuse to fight in a war? fine me and sentence me to a 6 months vacation in jail? compare that to what the Nazis would do to you had you disobeyed their call.
movie takes place in austria, tardbro. not germany. read: hitler occupied another nation and then tried to conscript its citizens to die in his war.
It appears as you are saying that anyone standing up the state, or standing up against the mainstream thought line can only be a narcissist. As if there can be no courage's principled people that takes a stand against something.
There's a difference between standing up to CNN & Fox News on your twitter account and throwing your life away in a measly attempt to spite a totalitarian regime
yea, one takes courage.
>God doesn't care what you say, only what you believe.
Kys Islamist scum.
The movie is not about any take. The plot is unbeliavable.
It's just 3 hours of a specific aesthethic,
There are plebs out there who say "omg this aesthetic is the best shit in the world, thank you for recommending me this movie"
and then they come back with " wtf bro it was 3 hours "
it was made to insult them, to show them that they are posers
>The plot is unbeliavable.
bruh its a true story.
No. It's based on a true story.
Oh. WoW.
The way the movie told it seemed ridiculous in places. Having Karl Markovics (israeli) play the antisemitic mayor felt like parody to me.
I feel the same, way too long, to begin with.
And not accepting the lesser evil – a medic position late in a war that will be lost anyway – to save your family and turn your wife into a widow is a shit decision, period.
By the way, did you know that uh... war is LE BAD?
>dude just submit its easier that way
there really is no hope for the future is there. you people are already begging for someone to come in and subjugate you.
you're just being reductive for the sake of it at this point
Your family circle is the most important one, you have to make choices.
You'll understand when you have children.
>dude just take the easiest route for everyone!
this is why the world is the way it is right now. because everyone screams, cries, claws, gnashes and hurls stones at anyone who implies the easy road, may not be the right road.
>his is why the world is the way it is right now
People have been behaving like that since the birth of Humanity, stop projecting your "muh degeneracy" on everything.
You either join the resistance and take on the fight against the regime you hate, or join them and do the minimal required to survive.
But this whole "conscientious objector" thing is homosexual.
there was no resistance to join. you're basically saying you should only ever go with the flow. that you should never have principles unless you're surrounded by people with the same principles.
you're advocating cowardice.
>People have been behaving like that since the birth of Humanity
Black person, if that were true, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. we'd still be in mudhuts in africa bathing in urine and mixing our shit with mud and covering ourselves with it so the mega-fauna don't eat us.
>People have been behaving like that since the birth of Humanity, stop projecting your "muh degeneracy" on everything.
You're just disregarding Original Sin right there.
so you're going to tell your children to go fight and die for israel when the call comes?
you join the other pseudo intelligent jackasses on reddit like the cinematographygay you are
>when that kid asks him "what do I write?" before getting executed
kino film, I don't understand the people on Cinemaphile who say there have been no good films in the past 5 years
>good film film
yes, I also happen to be from the sahara desert, if you couldn't tell
no one here watches films
>nazis...le bad
YAWN!
Yeah, man. Mix it up. Give us something fresh. Show Nazis as the good guys for once!
Am I the only one who thought it was a little silly when he refused doing the Hitler salute? It seemed petty to me.
Just took out a 10,000 loan to buy BTC with. I'll see you gays back at the top.
The only reason to ever take up arms is if your home is being attacked, like in the movie Patriot with Mel Gibson.
You really enjoyed the *frantically walking back band forth*
God I hate Germans so fricking much
I think he should have done his duty for his Volk and Vaterland.
While he was moaning about his convictions, men were fighting and dying against the Stalin regime. Germany was fighting for Europe against Judeo Bolshevism.
The movie was alright, but they were really just idolizing a coward. If he was truly brave he would have been on the Ostfront knocking out T34s.
>another nazi-larper misses that the movie takes place in german occupied/annexed austria
>german occupied/annexed austria
so... Germany.
Großdeutschland
yeah, I get that take now. I can see how his self-sacrifice would be a perfect ideal if he had been
(1) resisting the bad guys (nazis stood against everything that is wrong with the world) - the actual sacrifice would have been to die for them at the front
(2) didn't have family and wife. the second others depend on you, you just bite your lip and do whatever is best for them - in this case: take a fricking oath you don't mean so your 5-year-old does not have her fricking life ruined.
this is also why you don't start a family in the first place: it becomes impossible to represent the highest possible ideals. Jesus never took a wife.
One of the points the movie makes is the occupying regime is literally using his love for family against him, to force compliance. And you’re saying he should’ve just given in.
well those are blatant lies about nazi germany.
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frick off tumblrwhale
tons of images from search engines will have filenames like that. I just did a quick search on my computer for files starting with "tumblr" and got literally hundreds of results. i have never visited the site in my life and I'm not even sure what exactly tumblr is, i only know the meme of it being a place for bluehaired morbidly obese socialists.
Pure kino
i don't watch israelite shit
Do people ITT complain about the "war is le bad" message because it's overused or because they think war is le good
great film
Is it too late to go and live the farmer life in the alps?
For you, yes.
>a man so stoic and convinced of his beliefs he's willing to die rather than undergo them
any more kino like this? this is unironically peak masculinity