just saw saving private Ryan for the first time.
this butthole got away scot free?!
just saw saving private Ryan for the first time. this asshole got away scot free?!
just saw saving private Ryan for the first time.
this butthole got away scot free?!
That was unironically the best part
Nah the best part by far was in the end when that rat israelite got stabbed in the heart
He had to live with himself the rest of his life
What exactly was his crime? Did you forget the ethnicity of the soldier he let get killed?
To this day I still hate the fact that this wienersucker hid behind his role as a translator to justify his cowardice. Tom Hank's character was a moron to let him on his team.
Cowardice can be trained out of soldiers, not their fault if they get sent to combat untrained.
TL:DR, repeated exposure to danger makes the feeling of fear go away, people get used to it to the point of going to sleep during bombardment
Look out we got a badass over here. I'd love to see your combat record.
I like that not only did to tl;dr a single sentence, but also that the tl;dr was longer than the single sentence.
Is this the most jingoistic movie of all time? You can see the israelite infuences in this movie so clearly. "all germans are evil", "remember, kill prisoners of war if they are white". The movie pretty much teaches us that following basic rules of war is wrong, and that the enemy is to be dehumanized.
>remember, kill prisoners of war if they are white
I got the opposite message from it, that war is hell for everyone involved and no sides hands are going to be clean
Holodomor movie when?
this movie was great!
I can't believe how many clichés and tropes came out of it
the time freezes and all the loud noise goes quiet
the delivering the message that somebody died in war
the telegram scene is copied in the movie valkyrie
im only mad that it triggered 20 years of greenish grey decoloring on war movies. just for that im glad shakespeare in love stole the oscar from spielberg.
idk, he handled himself well for a typist
>war crimes are ok if we're the ones doing it
Basically the American attitude. The only difference between war hero and war criminal is who wins the war.
>The only difference between war hero and war criminal is who wins the war.
Were the men who burned women and children alive in incendiary bombing tried as war criminals?
casualty of war in general. not a war crime dumbass
not him but dredsen was literally just revenge, the allies basically said so themselves
Dresden was literally just for shits and gigs, worthless military/strategic target and negligible impact on the duration of the war. This isn't even controversial, ever read Slaughterhouse Five?
>”Haha yes, today I will sow the wind.”
>”NOOOO DONT MAKE ME REAP THE WHIRLWIND!!!!!”
yes bomber harris, epic meme but not relevant to the actual point there
Should they have?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
Should the people that burned alive 100,000 noncombatants in one night be tried as war criminals? The answer is no if they won the war.
If a war crime aids victory then it is ignored. The losing side is the only one that faces punishment and sometimes not even then. Remember the Nazi scientists that were pardoned by both the US and the Soviets.
Morality isn't as rigid as most plebs think it is.
>The answer is no if they won the war.
well there we go
The allies never prosecuted any Germans or Japanese for bombing civilian targets either
Sow the wind, Reap the whirlwind. London and Rotterdam say Hi.
England bombed cities first moron
>we dinduffin
Entirely expected from socialist Black person with non-white allies.
Biggest warcrime of WW2 was to stop the bombings.
Which city did Britain bomb before Wielun or Rotterdam?
Axis dead from Strategic Bombing
Total: 790,509–1,693,374+ dead
Allied dead from Strategic Bombing
749,940–1,305,029 dead
Axis started the war by invading Poland(Japan invaded China earlier) and in Europe Germany bombed Warsaw first
However since the Allies had engaged in Strategic Bombing as a deliberate policy they didn't try any Axis members for that reason(although they had more than other war crimes to make up for it-including the Holocaust)
Russia also invaded Poland. How come we didn't declare war on Russia too?
moron you got owned with one picture that perfectly captured your smug homosexualry now frick off back to plebbit and complain about shit you don't really care about
killing a nazi isn't a war crime lmao
But if you do that you'll be just as bad as them, didn't Canada tell you that?
How moronic
You guys don't seem to be that bright and you probably are the target audience for propaganda films like Saving Private Ryan.
okay, keep crying over dead, broken, loser nazis.
History isn't a sports team that you support. And should you ever be caught on the receiving side of bombing I want you to remember your words and that years later some homosexual in a gamer chair that has never skipped a meal will smugly declare you to be a "loser."
Hey mutt, i don't live in a third world country. war is never coming to me so keep coping. they should've slaughtered every homosexual who had a nazi thought in their head in 1945.
still wouldn't be a war crime.
>war is never coming to me
Said everyone that got killed in a war.
just two more weeks amirite?
Two more weeks and what? Do you truly think that you fully know what the next 50 years will bring and that none of it will include war?
didn't the Nazis helped built Nasa?
>History isn't a sports team that you support.
Being able to conduct a massive total war hinges on the ability to drum up support and get your peasants into a furor so they don't necessarily mind making tank shells for 14 hours a day. So yes, warfare since Napoleon's era has literally been sports.
For the plebs yes. You tell them some bullshit about patriotism and put some gay ribbons on their suit and send them to die. I made the mistake of thinking that I was talking to sentient humans in this thread.
You have negative IQ
For what? Pointing out that it's silly to consider wars from 100 years ago like a football match where you support one side and taunt the other?
It's probably the lowest level of understanding you can have about history.
for posting moronic platitudes like history is written by the victors and war is just people getting tricked by moustache twirling military staff and politicians
History is written by the victors. If Hitler had won you would be goose stepping through the streets and having family picnics on their victory day.
And why are you licking the boots of the people that send you to die as cannon fodder without a second thought? Why are you questioning me instead of them?
>History is written by the victors.
Then how is it even possible to have a nuanced view of people like Hannibal or Napoleon today? Francoist Spain won the civil war but they're not looked on too kindly by the historical record. How do neo-Nazis exist?
>And why are you licking the boots of the people that send you to die as cannon fodder without a second thought?
How am I doing that?
I provided the example. You are never told about the horrors of burning 100k civilians in one night but you are endlessly bombarded with holocaust propaganda. You are not getting a nuanced view at all.
>How am I doing that?
You're calling me an idiot and arguing with everything I say and I'm simply asking why you are so angry at someone that disagrees with you instead of the people that will send you to die for their monetary profits. Shouldn't you be angry at the people that will actually harm you? Or is your ego so shockingly fragile that you get a fight or flight adrenaline dump when someone commits the horrible crime of not kissing your ass when you talk?
Here you are trying to bombard me with firebombing propaganda.
I gave you one link about the firebombing of tokyo as a starting point but since you are dull-witted and lacking in curiosity you never even thought to consider it and instead are just going into the endless rounds of empty contrarianism that wastes everyone's time. I see you will be a dullard for your entire life with zero curiosity and I won't be able to get through to you.
I don't know if you were home schooled or not but we learned about the firebombings and the atomic bombings in the fifth grade, and in a very pity-the-Japanese kind of way. The supplemental information covering what the Japanese did in East Asia was absent though lmao.
Yeah it's kinda weird how these gays always whinge on and on about the bombings as if the Japs or kraits were innocent of doing the same or much worse shit.
>b-but muh civilians
Don't start a war if you can't get hit. In fact, don't publicly announce that you want a total war and then b***h that you lost lol.
>Don't start a war if you can't get hit. In fact, don't publicly announce that you want a total war and then b***h that you lost lol.
It's not a sports team. Your mind is simply too small to consider that nations had different goals and agendas and certain decisions had made ware inevitable and that they did not simply start a war out of nowhere.
>different goals
The Japanese goal being to slaughter and colonize Asia, and they don't even have the courtesy to do it during the age of discovery.
Whitey literally gave them the idea.
So the Japs are worse at empire building than the US?
BOO HOO
Yeah well industrialize sooner next time, Hideki
>Different goals and agendas
Yeah, and I consider only ones side to be right in this conflict and support them.
You don't think I know why the sides started this war?
>Then how is it even possible to have a nuanced view of people like Hannibal or Napoleon today? Francoist Spain won the civil war but they're not looked on too kindly by the historical record. How do neo-Nazis exist?
This is an exceptionally dumb literalist take on such a simple truism. Nobody has ever said "history is written by the victors" to mean "it is impossible to learn any objective facts about the past."
Nobody has ever said it exactly like that. You are right.
What exactly was your point? You're also being obtusely literal with the example of Franco's Spain; being the victor in one conflict hardly rules out somebody being the loser in the big picture when your ideology is disgraced and your institutions ripped up and replaced a few decades down the line.
You can actually google this proverb to see just how literal most people take it. Is the upset here really just that some purposely subscribe to disgraced ideologies and lash out at any received criticism? Nazi supporters still exist today, so does that mean the already established "victor's history" is being interpreted in a wildly different way, or are there dark historians lurking about? Where's the history quality control and by what mechanism is it operated under?
should you ever be caught on the receiving end of a bombing please think of the people who launched the weapons being put on trial and punished.
That would depend on who won the war wouldn't it?
>Basically the American attitude.
lol that's everybody's attitude. They are not crimes if you win.
>hold off dozens of enemies alone while your team evacuates successfully
>wow what a war criminal
Multiple men have done this from multiple nations. Win or lose the war they are still heroes.
And finally we arrive at the point of the thread. Getting mad about "war crimes" when the it's totally fine to burn women and children alive in a bombing is fricking moronic and getting mad at the translator character in the movie denotes a childish view of war.
But the Holocaust happened.
And they're just as dead as the jap civilians but the Germans at least gassed them before they were burned.
Did they deliberately round up Jap civilians and put them in camps with the express purpose of murdering as many Japanese as they could?
>round up israelites (jews started red terror and murdered millions in Russia)
>put israelites in gulags
>war starts
>allies bomb all infrastructure
>have choice of feeding war effort or political prisoners
>choose war effort
>Believing flat earth tier conspiracy theories
The US had internment camps of Japanese. If all infrastructure was bombed to nothing and they had limited resources would you see pictures of starving Japanese prisoners dead and dying and declare it a holocaust?
If all infrastructure was bombed to nothing then how did their massive armies get any supplies or reinforcements?
Are you a fricking idiot?
Are you?
>The US had internment camps of Japanese
Well fed and i saw the pictures, it was like a trailer park. For the kids it was pure bliss, a vacation.
>have choice of feeding war effort or political prisoners
Or just release them? Or any of a number of infinite options?
Release them so they can get lynched by the public mob or hide in the woods and sabotage everything that still works? Germany's initial plan until they were blockaded was to ship all the israelites to Madagascar. It's actually kind of surprising to me that the nazis never adopted the ancient Chinese strat of prisoner soldiers (at least with israelites). Entire families were already being held hostage so 'convincing' the men to acts as kamikazes and meatshields wouldn't have been that hard. Not that I condone that but if their goal was extermination then they really did it badly
Well no you can still be arrested for shooting prisoners. Presumably Upham would have been had anyone been willing to testify against him
Everyone committed horrible war crimes in WWII, it just happens (Yes, I unironically believe this, spam all the basedjacks you want) overall the loser's warcrimes were worse.
This is the attitude of a nation less powerful than the US
THE WAR TO SAVE JOSEF STALIN
Why did that German on the stairs let him live?
He'd just lost 2 friends and killed a man with a knife while another choked to death on his own blood next to him all in that one little room and decided that was enough horror for today.
oh my God I just realized he was Baldur in GoW
His character is there for you to hate, since he doesn't wanna murder anyone. It's a very pro-war movie. Enlist today maybe you'll go to Ukraine.
the first 15 minutes of SPR are scarier than any horror movie
Why did they let the Black Marine kidnap the little French girl?
here we go
Upham did nothing wrong. He wasn't mean to be fighting at the front with the grunts. It's the fault of the officers who placed him there.
he didnt do his duty
ostensibly there is nothing stopping him from doing his duty except his own cowardice, the officer is without fault here since his duty was clearly explained.
I'd probably be him if I ever went to war
>be random young man in 1944
>government takes you into war slavery and forces you to go shoot Germans because "muh Europe" for some fricking reason
>get a few months of boot camp then sent off
>you're supposed to turn into some kind of warrior bad ass because Uncle Sam told you the bad guys were those other guys
I can see the war in Japan because the slantnigs bombed Pearl Harbor, but an American on the lines in Europe had no reason to give a frick.
You realize Germany declared war on the United States, right?
Yes, but that meant nothing to you, a random guy who got drafted and sent over to Europe. Germany didn't attack America, the declaration of war was basically a formality because of their alliance with Japan.
The average American was generally sympathetic to the Chinese, and you're trying to tell me they were reluctantly shipped off to liberate Europeans? Countries where a lot of them had family ties to? A pretty amazing cope considering American WWII veterans are the proudest veterans of any war they were ever in.
>you're trying to tell me they were reluctantly shipped off to liberate Europeans
Historical sentiment says yes. And, even after Pearl Harbor, Americans were still not excited about war with Japan either.
There was more draft dodging during WWII then Vietnam. You literally read too much propaganda history. The numbers don't lie. Turns out, no one wants to be forced to fight a war against their will.
Yup and hes your great grandpa
Incredible israelitewy film, especially the scene where the israelite is going"juuuuden JUDEN"
>Wah us israelites are the victims always
>Spielberb based Upham on himself
Weirdest self insert ever
only dumbshit inbred frickwits whose only real idea of violence is a stern word deom their manager thinks upham did anything wrong. dude was just a guy.
That's a lot of words just to say, "I'm a low test troony."
But then again, you leftoids are good with words words words words words words.
No Ivan this isn't agitating. No Ivan this isn't a left/right issue.
YAAAASSS
PREACH, SIS!!
>300 million euros military aid from france
give it back !!!
yea there was no shooter, upton even asked him
>who shot?
>leaves