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Just saw this 1 hour video essay of Tyrion
My understanding was that they dumbed down his character on the show and in the books he was more blatantly evil
Who cares? The show is over and it’s the actual ending, in general, and fat boy isn’t finishing the books. So let it go. You got trolled out of many hours of your life by hbo and fatso.
>fat boy isn’t finishing the books.
true
he will die before releasing them
he is old and obese
> it’s the actual ending
No
Well we wont get another one, so yeah its as close to official ending as it gets
He gets more blatantly evil (drunk and bitter, really) as the books go on, yes, and the show did not match this development because he was the fan favorite, so he "drinks and knows stuff" and that's it. The show started dropping the ball by season 2 already tho.
>I drink and I know things
Why do so many c**ts love that line?
Justifies their own alcoholism.
Because they want it to be true of themselves. Seen so many shitty t-shirt variations that you wouldn't believe
Never understood why so many cringy millenials thought drinking coffee was cool
Do they think they're hard for drinking something slightly bitter? (and that's assuming they're drinking it black which I highly doubt)
it is ok anon you can admit you prefer tea
coffee might be too much to handle
I drink coffee too but I don't make it my whole personality, it's just a beverage ffs
Some people are really into roasting their beans and brewing a better cup. It’s a little cringey but could be a worse hobby.
black tea with milk is superior to black coffee, but coffee with milk is pretty good too. I guess I just like milk.
milk goes good with COOKIES!
>he was the fan favorite
What happened to his career anyways? The last time I saw him was in some Netflix movie as a bad guy that lost to feminism
Probably made as much of it as he could, being a midge and all.
Not many roles requires a midge i spose kek
Especially after he killed the casting opportunities for the snow white movies. Fricking stepstool pulling dick
He was in an alestorm video
>so he "drinks and knows stuff" and that's it
Holy shit, the dialogue was so fricking bad by that point. I was cringing during the drinking game between nog and negress that Tyrion was pushing, trying to relive some season 1 scenes, it sucked horridly. I'd say everything that happened post Tyrion picking up Joffrey's cup was shit rolling down hill more and more for him
It's interesting that I actually liked the changes at first
Dinklage came off as much more charming than Tyrion ever was and since he's not a deformed gremlin it made him more likeable
Yeah, if anything in the books he’s going to encourage daenerys’ mad tendencies, not try to rein them in
he is far more ruthless in the books. a bard writes a tongue-in-cheek song about shae and tyrion has him killed, cooked and fed to the poor. after he kills Shae and Tywin, Jaime admits he helped tywin dupe him when they were kids and tyrion basically loses his mind
>tyrion has him killed, cooked and fed to the poor.
Stop repeating your fanfic like it was truth
>semantics
frick yourself
>making shit up
>"semantics"
He's not making shit up though
He is, Tyrion does have him killed (under somewhat reasonable circumstances though) but he didn't order him cooked and fed to the poor, he just told Bronn to kill him and Bronn suggested that that would be how he'd dispose of the body, Tyrion had no part in this decision, which we don't even know if it's true because Bronn likes dark jokes like that
ie, semantics. frick off.
>semantics
That not sematics, moron
Tyrion only had him killed and hwd nothing to do with him being possibly served in the gross food poor people eat
If I hired someone to kill you, but he decided to rape you before or after, I had moth to do with the rape
Not that guy (thank frick), but I personally feel that unless you specifically told him not to rape me that it'd still ultimately be your fault.
I argued the same thing before, don't bother. That guy is an imbecile.
that was the implication in the book as I remember
Rainn Wilson?
Jej
>Just now realizing this
But yeah I highly recommend the books (particularly the audio books bc they have a great narrator). And that's coming from someone who thinks ASOIAF is overrated and Martain is a fat homosexual
Listen to Roy Avers for the most kino experience. They are harder to come by, especially A Storm of Swords (IIRC) can be difficult to find, but this guy is so much better than Roy Dotrice. He gives the characters much more life, is consistent with his voices and doesn't sound like an old fart. He died tho, so you're stuck with Avers for the last book.
>but this guy is so much better than Roy Dotrice
I find this hard to believe but I'll give it a listen. I was kind of annoyed by Dotrice constantly flip flopping on name pronunciations. Plus the voice he did for Theon particularly was very inconsistent
>Roy Avers
pleb
Wait Roy was the fricking pyromancer?? How the frick didn't I notice this? Absolutely kino
yes ser
>our Audiobook does not deal in pigshit!
It's the other way my man. But I know it's a minority opinion. Mostly, I suspect, because Dotrice was GRRM's preferred choice (being his friend and all), and so is the one you find on all the services, so he's the one everyone knows. But Avers brings a vitality to the characters and the story that Dotrice just doesn't, IMO.
I'm listening to Avers' book 2 right now. I'm appreciating the novelty because I've listened to Dotrice's version a dozen times and he's not too bad but I don't like his inflections much. Only listened to a bit so far but it's not nearly as good imo
To be fair, after having to give Doytrice a listen for AFFC/ADWD, he did grow on me. And as I understand it, that's his worst work, him being ancient by the time it was released. But he took some getting used to for me. Curious who they get for the next one (I remain optimistic for the release of Winds of Winter, but not the one after that).
>He died tho, so you're stuck with Avers for the last book.
by the time he finishes the books those ai audio models should be good enough to handle it
>by the time he finishes the books those ai audio models should be good enough to handle it
by the time he finishes the books LLM AI will be good enough to finish them, too. twenty more years is a long time.
Does anyone have a link to this? I've gone through the first books with Dotrice and would like a welcome change for Dance of Dragons. His diction and pronunciation is excellent, but his voices aren't all that great and having an old man voice sex scenes is a bit cringe inducing. Also apparently Dotrice is dead so I better get used to a new voice if Winds ever comes out
Simon Vance doing Fire & Blood as incredible. I relisten to it all the time, it's super comfy to put on
Roy Dotrice, I tried, but I literally can't understand the words he's saying. I need subtitles for the audiobook
I'll try Roy Avers.
I'd be interested in the audio book if it were like a radio program with different actors and maybe sound effects. Not interested in listening to one old guy reading a book.
He does his best to present different voices for each of the characters but of course you can always tell it's the same guy. I think they're kino anyway
Sounds kino but there are absolutely shitloads of characters in the books. I listened to a full cast audiobook of American Gods and it was neat but that's way smaller in scope.
You only need maybe a dozen actors doing different voices; no different from a cartoon.
that would be really ambitious
the narrator is renown for excelling in various distinct voices and it flows very well even the coom scenes are OK
>I'd be interested in the audio book if it were like a radio program with different actors and maybe sound effects. Not interested in listening to one old guy reading a book
Careful there zoomer. Audio book narration is a modern old art. It's one of the few spaces where the white man has control.
>I'd only listen if actors voiced the roles with sound effects
A vampire cannot enter a residence unless the host invites it in. Please stick to shows. The last thing our community wants is a clusterfrick of Diversity and a inclusion Actors that will lead to audio narrators losing work, and the art dwindling into consoom slop.
TPTB are already using AI to replace the white man in one of the few holdouts. Audio is our Western Wall. Our Wailing Wall as it were. It is sacred. You need not tread your manure Air Jordans across our refined rugs.
please stop trying so fricking hard to fit in on Cinemaphile.org, homosexual
>our community
>ASOIAF is overrated and Martain is a fat homosexual
I only read the books long after the show ended and I was actually shocked at how the books weren't all that much better
Much more nuanced, absolutely. The autistic attention to detail and construction of entire family trees and endless lore, I can see why people become fascinated with it all
But holy frick is the writing poor
Scenes in the book I was really looking forward to turned out to be shit, like ned's execution was awfully written for example
Shame
>I enjoy this thing but since it's popular I'm gonna mention I don't enjoy it that much
Why do some people try so hard? What's the point?
Listening to the audiobook voice of Daenerys is agony
Im not gonna start reading the books until that fat israelite actually finishes the story. Even Tolkien
managed finish his shit.
>Even Tolkien
Tolkein is 100x the writer this fat hack will ever be.
so what are the differences
>Physically deformed on top of being a midge
>A lot more blatantly evil (life's ambition after trial is raping and murdering his sister)
>Is a weird acrobatic monkey man
>Moonboy, for all I know
There's more but those are the highlights
>Moonboy
what does this mean?
One of Cerci's many lovers
He's a jester character from the books who speaks in riddles. He has a bit of a Tiresias vibe.
He's also a spy
he's the fricking drowned god
No, that's patchface. An entirely different jester character that didn't get included in the show because D&D were too braindead/lazy to be able to handle the prophecies.
>he thinks Moonboy is Patchface
Why the FRICK do I even go into these threads you morons piss me off so much.
Season 8 good, D&D good, ending good btw.
the show started going to shit in season 6 maybe 5
Season 5 was the shittiest, but at least you could reconcile at that point that the show was a completely different thing than the books and just enjoy it for the dragons and zombies spectacle.
>>he thinks Moonboy is Patchface
>anon misses the obvious
Have you ever seen both of them in the same room together ?
When Jaime frees him after the trial he confesses that Tyrion's wife wasn't a prostitute paid by him, just an innocent peasant girl. Tyrion has a mental breakdown upon realizing she actually loved him even if just for a few nights before their father had her gang-raped and exiled. Tyrion tries to hurt Jaime in return by lying that he did kill Joffrey, and that Cersei has been fricking everyone including the court jester. Jaime spends the rest of the books coping with the thought that he's been cuckolded by fricking "Moonboy, for all I know". Tyrion ruins their relationship for good by trying to hurt him, but ironically it is exactly what Jaime needs to hear as he begins to realize how unhealthy his incestuous relation has been and sets towards becoming a better man.
but wasn't it so much better in the show where Tyrion killed his father over a literal prostitute who hated Tyrion?
No
Antisemite
meds
Well Cersei was actually fricking a bunch of people, so Tyrion didn't lie about that. She might have not fricked Moonboy, but then again, she might have, for all I know.
Checked. He was honest about Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack though.
Then just as Jaime has grown and become a better person away from his prostitute sister, D&D also completely misunderstood him and had Jaime run back to be with her again. Oh, and better have him deflower an honorable virgin noblewoman in a one night stand then leave her crying in bed too, just to be sure
It'd be more accurate to say that he shrank and became a weaker person, at least from a physical perspective
He is connected to the moon.
> life's ambition after trial is raping and murdering his sister
That’s just cringe edgy shit. No wonder reddit loves him.
>life's ambition after trial is raping and murdering his sister
He just tells that to everyone, it's not actually true. His real ambition is to find Tisha/become true heir to House Lannister.
Either way, it's certainly not to help dragon prostitute "break muh wheel"
literally rape cersei?
Yep. In fact, he specifically requests it as payment for helping a fake targshit take westeros
I read that as
>for helping fake a targ shit
And then imagined a campaign of Tyrion going around squatting in bushes and somehow, despite being divided, successfully frames Daenerys for dropping huge midge shits everywhere.
raping and murdering his sister is reasonable, she twisted his penis as a toddler.
How does a dwarf rape an adult woman (non-dwarf)?
tools, accomplices, injuring said female in such a way to limit her capacity to fight back, etc
>accomplices
That's just cheating. It shouldn't count as rape if you were helped, tbh.
if you commit the actual act of raping yourself, why shouldn't it count?
But even just having the others rape her counts imho, just like you can order a hit on someone and still be a murderer
>weird acrobat monkeyman
that's first book only. an actual midget mailed grrm after the first book and told him no midget can really do that kind of thing, so he dropped it
I bet there are some agile midgets
>dragons are a-ok but an acrobatic midget isn't
>LET'S MAKE JON SNOW DODGE EVERYTHING IN THE BATTLE OF THE BASTADS HAHA
>No, we can't destroy the show's realism with Tyrion doing backflips and being a competent fighter.
>i dont understand what internal consistency is
>realism? but dragons arent real durrr
Far uglier
Hates his family, wants to kill cersei and jaime (different from the show)
His whole thing with his ex wife/prostitute before Shae
Shit at game of thrones (different from the show, where apparently he was really good)
meets up with the long lost blackfyre child (not in the show) and sort of sets the course for him to invade westeros, which might pit the blackfyre kid against his cousin Dany
There's a bunch of shit, the video is really interesting, or better yet read the books if you have the time
In the books he's only about to meet dany for the first time, and he has a midget girl following him around (who's kinda like his good angel atm)
>His whole thing with his ex wife/prostitute before Shae
Wait, did they leave that out of the show? I forget.
Nah she's in it, they reference her but book tyrion is still hung up about her and book jaime tells tyrion that she actually loved him and he didn't pay her off
so tyrions been living his life thinking his only love was a prostitute, who infact was not a prostitute and hates jaime even more
I know, I've read the books. I just kinda get mixed up on what was in the show or book. Kinda weird they bring it up again like 2 seasons after her last mention in the show. Like, you would think an average viewer would be like "oh that prostitute he lost his virginity to? Who cares? Tyrion certainly doesn't seem to"
In the show, Jaime never reveals that Tysha was actually a normal girl. Whereas in the book she actually loved him, in the show she was just another prostitute.
They diminished the murder of his own father, in the book Jamie had just told him that his first wife was never a prostitute, that was just a lie Tywin came up with to end the marriage
He also killed the woman in the book. Choked her out with chains I believe
That was in the show too.
He does that in the show too, but they make him feel bad about it.
>in the book Jamie had just told him that his first wife was never a prostitute
That was a lot more brutal. He met a woman when he was young, they fell in love with each other, but she wasn't a royal or anything, just a peasant girl. When Tywin found out he made Jaime tell Tyrion that she is actually a prostitute who Jaime hired for Tyrion and that she never actually loved him, then Tywin let a dozen of his soldier rape her in front of Tyrion and then in the end he made Tyrion rape her as well and had her sent away after.
After Jaime helped Tyrion escape, he told him the truth that she wasn't a prostitute and she did love him, Tywin made him lie, because he didn't want his son to marry a common woman.
In general, Tyrion was a much darker character in the books.
Even before his turn to the dark side at the end of book 3, he had a musician killed and fed to King's Landing peasants for making fun of him and he was abusive to Shae.
But the biggest and most significant omission from the books was the way they handled his turn to the dark side.
In the show, Tyrion is framed as being largely blameless in Shae's death. She tried to kill him and he acted in self-defense. Then he kills Tywin because he got mad that Tywin cucked him and was also upset that Tywin sentenced him to death.
In the books, that scene more or less plays out the same, BUT in a completely different context.
Right before he goes off to kill Tywin, Tyrion gets told by Jaime that the peasant girl Tysha he married years ago wasn't actually a prostitute and she truly loved him. It was all a ploy devised by Tywin to gaslight Tyrion into believing that no person would ever love him.
THIS confession is what compels Tyrion to kill Tywin against his better judgment.
Removing the confession from Jaime destroys Tyrion's character and it makes the scene nonsensical in the show. Why would he just decide on a whim to go off and try to confront his dad when he has the perfect opportunity to escape? The scene only makes sense in the book because Tyrion is in a blind rage and really really wants to kill Tywin, even if it means he gets caught. He even tells Jaime he doesn't care if he lives or dies in his murder attempt on Tywin.
There's also the little details, like Tyrion murdering Shae in cold blood after she begs him to leave, and Tyrion killing Tywin in glee instead of being all apologetic and shaken like he was portrayed in the show.
I really can't overstate just how badly they botched Tyrion by removing that one little detail and confession from Jaime. The little things matter the most and the show paid dearly for excising that confession.
They didn't develop the Tyina (is that the right name?) plot very well. He tells the story in season 1 but it doesn't come up again and he doesn't brood on it like in the books. That's probably why the omitted that detail. It wasn't poor planning, though. I think they just simply misunderstood his character. I think his portrayal in the show is how they actually conceptualized him in their heads. Hacks.
>I think they just simply misunderstood his character.
No, more like they pussied out and were afraid of taking the fan favorite quipster and making him into a more dark and brooding piece of shit.
Possibly. I mean, they pussied out on a lot of things. Like most of the fantasy elements, for example.
>I think they just simply misunderstood his character. I think his portrayal in the show is how they actually conceptualized him in their heads. Hacks.
I agree, and they also didn't understand any of the characters from Essos. It seems that GRRM neglected to tell them that he wanted to portray the evil dark lord of a story in a different manner, first making them seem innocent, friendly and having the audience sympathize with them and only later on pulling the curtain and having the reveal. In the show, Dany is this good guy who is finally arriving in Westeros as a savior against the evil zombies. D&D literally didn't even have a logical way to make her end up evil, which was of course always meant to be her ending. While in the books, looking at her arrival from the perspective of a Westerosi citizien would be horrifying. She's coming with three gargantuan dragons; a horde of Dothraki savages who love to pillage and rape; legions of terrifying eunuch slave warriors; foreign sorcerers who use blood and fire magic; and the monstrously deformed, kinslaying Imp returning to take his revenge. No one would be welcoming towards her and would be eager to support Faegon instead. That's a very different portrayal of many fan favorite characters for several years of TV though.
>he had a musician killed and fed to King's Landing peasants for making fun of him
That guy was blackmailing him and threatening to tell Cersei about Shae. "Hand of gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are warm" - do you think think this song was written "just so"?
>he was abusive to Shae
Not true. He, what, had slapped her once than she insulted him?
None of the nonsense you wrote refutes my point.
He's still comparatively darker than how he was portrayed in the show. Deal with it.
>nonsense
These are facts. You're trying to pain Tyrion in a darker light then he actually was.
>You're trying to pain Tyrion in a darker light then he actually was.
No I'm not, moron.
Show Tyrion wouldn't have murdered someone even if he knew the guy was a spy or informant for Cersei. That's how pussywhipped he was.
Book Tyrion not only murdered a guy for being a henchman for Cersei, but he fed the guy's remains to peasants out of a sadism and spite.
You are coping so hard, it's embarrassing.
>Book Tyrion not only murdered a guy for being a henchman for Cersei, but he fed the guy's remains to peasants out of a sadism and spite.
You're a fricking imbecile. The guy wasn't a Cersei's henchman. He was blackmailing Tyrion, and blackmailing him hard. Tyrion tried to appease to him, suggesting him a paid two-year tour to Essos' cities. Only then the singer outright refused he told Bronn to kill him and make the body disappear. He never ordered him to fed peasants or whatever, it was a Bronn's joke.
"Sadism and spite", you're so full of shit.
>nuh uh, he's not darker in the books!!!
>*proceeds to explain how he's darker*
You're a very very smart person. This is high IQ media literacy right here.
I'm not saying your main point about book version being darker is wrong, I'm saying these particular examples you used are incorrect and you used them to make Tyrion look worse than he actually was. "He murdered a guy and feed the poor with his corpse out of sadism and spite" - that's factually not true.
He's not a cuck
In the book: he's Tyrion
In the series: he's Peter Dinklage
he's an increasingly depressed/vengeful spiteful malcontent and not le quippy dorf. also hes smart but he thinks hes smarter than he is
Beautiful boy
yeah, that would have sold subscriptions.
Making Tyrion act like a smartass 2012 fedora lord instead of a slimy, prick with a grudge against everything was a mistake.
There's already way too many edgelords in the show, it would had been far too mean spirited if some of the characters weren't at least lawful neutral/chaotic good since all lawful good always end up getting killed. Mind you GRRM approved the early changes exactly because they knew a series where everyone you like is dead is gonna get dropped by the audience ASAP. eg. Walking Dead
He was fine. The fricking show was full of edgelords. The problem was that they had nowhere to go with him after S4 but he was too popular to write off.
Alt Shift X is kino. Read the books just because of his videos
Shame he only makes videos once every blue moon. There's way more topics to go into as well.
>he hasn't read A Clash of Kings, Tyrion's finest hour
SHAME!
Haven’t read the thread yet but did you read the books or just get retroactively mad like the contrarian you are over some shit you’re not familiar with but enjoy the cheap anger over? Tryhard homosexual
>1 hour video essay
Why?
I had a morbidly obese friend in college who quotes ‘I drink and I know things’ as a point of pride, his face has actually been posted here years ago by someone else. I don’t know, Tyrion’s a good read but he really feeds into the fantasy that by being disabled you’re actually a real smart guy. That’s fiction for you, I suppose
>Tyrion’s a good read but he really feeds into the fantasy that by being disabled you’re actually a real smart guy. That’s fiction for you, I suppose
No, that's just his way of surviving in a world that is absolutely brutal to everyone, most of all hideous deformities like him. Besides, he's from a privileged position having been born a Lannister, and is also Tywin's son no less, so it's not just some silly fantasy trope.
Just read the books instead of watching the hboslop you secondary. Bet you watched house tom of the dragon and didnt wonder why a valarian was black didnt you. Spoiler alert, the only Black folk come from the summer isles.
uuuuuuuuuuuuu akshuallyyyyyyyyy u cnanot prove that some summer islanders hadn't emigrated to Valyria and became a noble house
>just read the books
Were it so easy. I liked them but it’s an unfinished series heavily backloaded to a final book that will never exist.
>a final book
He has multiple books waiting to come out, 2 more books for asoiaf, part 2 of fire and blood, im sure more dunc & egg stories, probably another atlas/encyclopedia book. But even if he dies from being old and fat, not having an ending is better than what they did with the tv show.
Lma-fricking-o. Keep waiting. Last I checked it’s been 12 years and he’s deleted more chapters than he’s written. ‘Oh don’t worry, we’re on a roll here, here’s the very first chapters!’, ‘oh gosh sorry it’s been half a decade, but I figured out I fricked that up and the book is less written than it was before’, again just keep waiting
His fat ass is wasting his very limited time with the picketing tv writer israelites instead of finishing his books. Its over.
True, though I honestly think he’s probably just a happy rich retired guy who succeeded in making his dream wad through tv writing like he always intended. He may write more of his other books, but he doesn’t write ASOIAF anymore because he can’t get the thrill of manipulating his audience anymore and the mass media audience just isn’t the type of people he wants to deal with anymore. Wouldn’t be fun for a smartass like him
Berserk, a series with a dead author will most likely reach its end before fatRRmartin shits out another tome
Tyrion basically rapes both shae and later some prostitute in tyrosh
Tv writers refuse to let any character be a rapist but also meant to be redeemed or good
>rapes both shae and later some prostitute in tyrosh
Thats just theft, you cant rape a prostitute.
>you cant rape a prostitute.
You can, actually.
>Steal a candy bar
>hey you cant just rape my gas station like that
ok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
you know the rape of the sabine women wasnt actually rape right? raping your gas station is a correct if hyperbolic usage of the term
Nah it's technically stealing
https://www.womenslaw.org/about-abuse/forms-abuse/sexual-abuse-and-exploitation/forced-prostitution/connection-between
I aint reading shit, especially some foid gobbildyasiatic
Based and correct
With prostitutes you are committing a business impropriety
>Rape someone who willingly sells their body.
Frick off.
As bad as the TV show was in the last few seasons, at least they finished it. The fat man will never finish the books. Also Tyrion's chapters in DwD were the worst. Riding a pig.
Jester tyrion and his midgit gf was boring but it was better than reading about dany whoring herself to (fail to) rule meereen
last book felt like it was bloated with fillers, because it was
he was planning for a massive timegap, realized it didn't work, so now he's making shit up which are mostly irrelevant to the plot. I remember skipping the quentyn chapters because I got annoyed he was introducing new characters instead of moving the plot forward
And all of this is ONE character in these fricking books. Arguably he is THE main (and most interesting) character, but still, there are literally dozens of other characters with significant personal dilemmas and struggles, and the overarching plot of the entire ASOIAF is built upon the relationships between them. It even goes a generation back, where the parents of these characters were the ones who actually set the current conflicts in motion. Truly one has to be a fricking brainlet to claim ASOIAF is a bad story, it's anything but.
Agreed. The tolkien whataboutism is nauseating too. As though all fantasy just has to ape tolkien. George is probably the best worldbuilder of any modern fiction author.
Cope
Nothing about Shartin's writing is based on history, its just an extreme exaggeration where everyone is a complete degenerate and has a rotten soul
Tolkiens is much more historically inspired
>degenerates didn't exist in the past
Fricking moron. Also you're just straight up lying about Tolkien and Martin, I doubt you've read either.
Agreed the Night's Watch is kino and Mance is a highly compelling character, though personally my favourite thing about the series is what's going on in plots in the background across multiple POVs. Makes for great theorycrafting too.
the stark/lannister conflict is directly inspired by the york/lancaster conflict, ie the war of the roses, complete with a double crossing at a wedding
I do appreciate what Martin has written and I say this as a massive Tolkien gay. Martin is a great dialogue and character writer. Also, the night's watch chapters were my favourite. Loved how isolated their story was from the rest of the series' happenings.
asoiaf is written as an antithesis to lotr fyi. lotr isnt based on myths to my knowledge it just steals aspects like elves and dwarves (because the perfidious anglo has no culture to himself post rome)
Can’t even finish a sentence without interrupting yourself with some demographic insult, can you
>hey guys did you know game of thrones is bad
Little late to the party there moron
>More blatantly evil
He was more morally grey before he murdered his father. He only truly becomes a vindictive little shit afterward.
Also it’s weird they turned him into generic good guy advisor in the show when you consider
>he literally only exists and lives thanks to be being born into immense privilege and wealth of one of the richest noble family
>he is incredibly out of touch with most of humanity, but still has a massive chip on his shoulder because he’s an ugly midge
He has surface level “good PR” ideas but he has no real idea or even desire to help common people beyond helping himself
Him joining Dany in the books seems like it’ll be far more sinister. Dany will be pretty much an obvious bad guy on paper. Invading with a a foreign barbarian horde, dragons, eunuch slaves, and her main advisors being Varys and Tyrion, who is seen as a monster at this point
I’m guessing Tyrion’s positive interaction with Jon wayyyy back in book one will be the only reason he takes Jon as nightswatch leader seriously when he sends the letters about the dead walking
Come to think of it, which nobles in GOT really do have genuine sympathy and desire to help the common people?
Weirdly the main one I can think of is Edmure. He let all the civilians take refuge in Riverrunm he attacked the mountain and his men because they kept fricking up the local villages. And robb acted like he fricked in his epic anime plan because of it
Stannis also cares in an autistic way. Nobody else in the entire realm would really promote a literal who to lord, then to hand of the king just because they were competent. He also consistently puts himself in the shit with his men so he isn’t exactly throwing lives away at no risk to himself. Same with the story of the siege at storms end, he could have easily taken a larger portion of food reserves but had the same as everyone else.
DnD whitewashed his character after they ran out of book material, because he was a fan favorite and didn't want to alienate the fans.
>Come to think of it, which nobles in GOT really do have genuine sympathy and desire to help the common people?
Ned and Edmure. Jon Snow did too, even though he technically isn't a noble, but he was a person with power. I think Stannis is fair and just, but he still has the nobility mindset where he expects his men to die for his cause no matter what. Even on the march to Winterfell, he shows little concern for soldiers who die in the snow. Not to say that he doesn't care about people's lives, but he's more callous than Ned and Edmure in that regard.
>after
No, they didn't show his casual contempt for the plebs
>Come to think of it, which nobles in GOT really do have genuine sympathy and desire to help the common people?
The knights of lesser nobles who are joining the Faith Militant to protect the smallfolk instead of fight in the war. You know, the reason the church actually becomes loved in the books, with the new High Septon being as loved as Cersei is hated. Contrasted with the show where all they've got are autistic monks who beat you up for drinking whine and yet the people start loving them anyway. Until Cersei Allahuh Ackbars the Vatican and kills their king and queen and they all just kind of forgot about liking the faith and their hate for Cersei.
Seriously, how was there not a subplot about how the common people all believe Cersei at least killed Tommen and is now squatting on a throne she has absolutely zero claim to? Don't tell me they'd actually believe she wasn't the one who pushed her out that window. If it happened in the books the smallfolk would all curse her as both a kinslayer and kingslayer, making her even worse than her brothers.
Stannis did nothing wrong and is the best man to rule westeros, he's only perceived as bad by degenerate drug-smoking redditors who don't like that he isn't pro-degeneracy and has some morals.
I think the kid-burning has a lot to do with it. I dunno if he does it in the books, too.
Stannis is much more evil in the books than in the show. He does way more despicable things than burn children in the third book.
He hasn't burned Shireen, and she isn't even with him on the march to Winterfell. She's back at the Wall. I could still see Shireen being burned, but likely without Stannis' knowledge. Possibly due to Melisandre freaking out about the pink letter, thinking Stannis is really dead and trying to sacrifice some king's blood to resurrect him. I could see this being what brings Jon back, since Stannis is still alive and she'll be trying to resurrect Azor Ahai, it'll raise him instead.
What were you thinking of here? I know he was quite prepared to sacrifice Edric Storm, and he used one of the shadow children to kill Cortnay Penrose but I can't think of anything he did that would be worse than burning his own daughter alive.
>Cortnay Penrose
I knew a chick in high school last name Cote-Penrose who was friends with a girl named Courtney.
FORM RANKS, DOGS
>caring about "Harry potter for genXers with dead bedrooms"
>cut the scene of him groping sansa's budding 12 year old breasts
hacks, the lot of them
why are normalgays like this? They cant form their own opinions and need someone else to tell them what to think
It really bugs me people let OP get away with this
The question is more: why can't we have long form, in-depth discussions and back and forths while forming our opinions instead of just resorting to quips, single sentence complaining, and TLDR whining? The guy made a long video laying out his ideas with examples and evidence. You can decide to agree with it or not or which bits and pieces are interesting, then talk about it with other people. That's how things are supposed to work. Instead we get autistic screeching where everyone's surface level opinions are already set in stone and truncated to fit short attention spans.
Just people sharing their thoughts. There’s plenty of discussion in this thread, and discussion of how someone gets angry post-facto on behalf of content he’s not familiar with is fair game
Does anyone have links to the audiobooks by chance
https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=8449523
here's 1-4 by Dotrice
he also did book 5 but not in this torrent
>Never read the books but understood that they were obviously better solely because of Alt+Shift x's videos and just how my IRL friends talk about it
>Found that channel that has various bits of the audiobooks with Rob's voiceovers
>Mfw listening to the one where Stannis talks to Davor about Renly's death
>Mfw the entire Peach line
I think they did the right choice not having the character lose his nose in the tv show but yeah. That whole prostitute business should have not been changed. Made him look way dumber than he was.
>watching youtube video essays
>Tyrion is still hung up with his first ever lover
>Doesn't care about Shae the prostitute
>Another cute midge comes along, actually likes him and tries to humanize him into a good guy again
>He completely ignores her
>(If) he ends up leaving/abandoning/killing her, that means he foregoes his good side completely
Why are chuds like this bros??? A good girl comes along and all they do is hang onto the past...
Reminds me of Mortal Engines
God lord
Tbh the one of the left looks less like a scar and more like at tumor
I don't know anything about Mortal Engines, but that's probably what the aftermath of getting a sword blow to the head actually looks like.
Another character that they dolled up for the show is the Hound, in the books his description implies a more devastating deformity.
>One side of Sandor's face is gaunt, with sharp cheekbones and a heavy brow, while the other side is a burned ruin of scars. Slick black flesh is pocked with craters and deep cracks that ooze red and wet, his ear is only a hole with a stump, and a hint of bone shows on his jaw. The scars extend down to his throat. There is a twisted mass of scars around his eye, which is still good, not harmed by the fire, but he has no lips on that side. Sandor brushes his hair so that it covers his burned side, since no hair grows there. The burnt corner of his mouth twitches when he speaks.
My favorite character, btw.
>I don't know anything about Mortal Engines, but that's probably what the aftermath of getting a sword blow to the head actually looks like
Me neither, but I don't think so, it's too bulging, like a protrusion.
It should look as if something is missing
>the Hound
I think they tried a more accurate one, but the actor couldn't speak with it, so they paired it down
>My favorite character, btw.
My favorite characters are combat geniuses that use giant blunt weapons instead of swords to fight full plated enemies
>almost a historical warhammer that's designed to stove a man's armour and chest in instead of just being a huge square hammer
>except the head and reinforced handle are so incredibly heavy that Ned can't lift it with one hand, much less swing it like Bobby does
It really makes me wonder what a tungsten warhammer would be like. Just a really long stick with a tiny head on it that's heavy as frick so whenever someone's hit with it they think it must be magic, because it's got so much more mass behind it than a steel one does. GODS HE WAS STRONG THEN.
>tungsten warhammer
I wonder if you could light it on fire and melt people with it
>that face
I WANT THE USURPER KING'S HEAD ON A PIKE!
I read the books and his character didn't seem all that different to me
Anyway I hated the latest book, it was stupid
>mfw eurons entire eldrich apocalypse plan goes up in smoke because the current lord of Hightower is a huge magic nerd who studied that shit and slaps his shit in
>mfw it's revealed he's just an edgy larper and never actually found all that shit in the doom of valyria either, he just bought it from Gerion Lannister who's living a peaceful life as an ultra-rich lord in Essos after he sold off all the stuff he found there, including the lost Lannister sword, until he meets Tyrion and finds out about his brothers dying and how he needs to go back home to rule Lannisport
>gerion lannister
how would tyrion even know its gerion, the guy is a horse
why is the story so much more kino when boats are involved? maybe im just a sucker for pirate kino but the ports and sailors and the pirate legends of valyria, asshai etc. are the most interesting part of the book.
How did you enjoy Victarion's chapters?
>mfw the part where Cersei gets seduced by a young frickboi bastard and makes him the royal admiral or whatever and builds him a whole new state of the art fleet and then the moment it's finished he immediately fricks off to either become a pirate at the stepstones or go North to join Stannis
He has a mail of valyrian steel, anon
Before the Doom that was worth a small kingdom
Now it probably worth 7 large ones
Which is why Gerion is going to be pissed when he hears that the thief who stole his valyrian steel outfit is fricking around in Westeros, motivating him even further to go back home.
I just don't trust that the child rapist is telling the truth when he says he actually went through the wasteland and came out alive. Him pilfering shit as a pirate(or sellsword if you subscribe to the Euron=Daario theory) in Essos and then making up stories to make himself even scarier fits better. Tearing out the tongues of all your crewmembers so they can't tell on you to your countrymen is a genius move.
I was with on the same boat of Euron being just a larper good at theatrics
But things just pile up. He has more gold and treasures than any other men, he could afford to hire the Faceless Men ti kill Balon and still throw gold away, the mail, the horn, Aeron's dreams
>Before the Doom that was worth a small kingdom
citation needed
>citation needed
The Winds of Winter chapter with Damphair
They're obviously rare/expensive as frick considering that not even the Targs had the cash to bring some valyrian armour with them.
kind of unrelated but i recently chaingunned GoT (had to stop after S5, it was just too shit after), then HotD all in a row, and the guy they got to play the lannister twins in HotD sounds so identical to peter dinklage in cadence and inflection that it actually startled me.
Who cares, they butchered Euron way worse than the little rapist demon midge.
I read the books and always thought he was a loathsome character. Then the show comes out and he's a "good guy"?
Dinklage was immediately too charming, charismatic and became a fan favorite, probably scrapped all their plans to make him a piece of shit kek
I've been listening again to ASOIAF books and yes the writing is pretty weak in many scenes, I always appreciated the series for its lore and am glad GoT was succesfull but even mid pop fantasy writers like Sanderson give you more excitement in how he depicts big scenes
>watching an hour-long video essay by some literally-who
Autism.
>the show didn't have Tyrion go full DYNASTY WARRIORS on Blackwater
>Somehow... Bran the Broken would make a good king.
>branraven goes all "Heh....I planned this from the start"
I still can't get over this line of his. Like wtf, you little shithead knew how it would end up? And you didn't say a thing? And everybody's ok with that?
>SANSA I REALLY LOVED HOW YOU WERE FRICKING RAPED
You cant convince me they weren't trolling everyone.
Maario Naharis
Tyrion in the show is really likable because they left most of his repulsive side from the books out
favorite theory?
>white walkers are looking for a stark with a valyrian steel sword
>waymar is lured into a trap and ambushed by the Others
>they 1v1 him until his sword shatters
>the leader says something "mocking" and they all move in to quickly finish him off
>book 2, the NW arrive at craster's
>craster instantly recognizes Jon as having the Stark look, dark hair and grey eyes
>they ask about waymar, craster admits he, gared and will stopped in on their way north
>crester is known to deal with the others
>book 5, sansa recalls waymar stopping in at winterfell on his journey to the wall
>she was attracted to him based on his good looks, dark hair and grey eyes (ie the stark look)
>to sum up: the others are looking for a stark with a valyrian steel sword. waymar leaves craster's and craster notifies the others that a young noble with the stark look is in the north. they lure waymar into a trap and attack. one of them duels waymar. when his sword shatters, they realize he isn't who they're after and unceremoniously dispatch him
It's an interesting one, it implies the Others have knowledge of the going on beyond the wall and possibly a non linear way of experiencing time
One thing that would be interesting to know if the books where ever to finish was about the Others since they were so vastly different from show
I thought the Others were a race of some snow elf, with their own castles deep in the Lands of Always Winter and they just looked at humans like humans might look at an orc or something. I didn't think they were bio weapons created by the Children of the Forest. That sucked, so does GERM
It's weird how no one seems to get the Others quite right. they're supposed to be ice fae, beautiful and eerie.
Even Magalli "Everyone Looks Like a CK Model" Villeneuve drew them somewhat corpse like
I just can't get over the fact that the Children of the Forest can literally create world ending undead armies with a rock
like this opens up a trillion questions, none of them good
>mance hired the assassin to kill bran in order to destabilize the north prior to his assault on the wall
>book 1, assassin is paid to kill bran with a bag of silver
>book 3, mance tells Jon he joined the King's procession disguised as a bard, sneaking into winterfell with only "a lute and a bag of silver"
>never mentions the silver again
>theory goes that mance sneaks into Robert's caravan and steals the valyrian dagger from the weapon cart, sneaks into winterfell and hires the assassin, giving him the dagger and silver. mance needs the Starks focused on war in the south, or they will simply call the banners and throw the wildlings back from the Wall like they always do. the plan works better than ever, as the lannisters truly are up to shady shit and mance's plan shines a light on them.
>inb4 joffrey did it to impress robert, that makes absolutely zero sense
the best theory is the time-traveling tyrion fetus, there can be no debate
Roose being a centuries-old vampiric blood mage.
Southron Ambitions and the Grand Northern Conspiracy
northern conspiracy is unironically very based. what are they up to?
The Children of the Forest caused the Doom and founded the Faceless Men.
Elaborate on that
>CotF are known to be present in the deep, dark places throughout the world, especially cave systems
>FM allegedly founded by slaves living in caves offering up a prayer for death, and having it heard
>"Many-Faced God" = weirwood network, many faces, fed by death; FM view death as a gift, CotF see ascension to the weirwood net similarly
>FM temple has a door made of weirwood, and Arya feels that the door is watching her as she enters; the secret gate Sam finds under the Wall suggests weirwood.... WOOD has some strange properties, even after being cut from the trunk and shaped into doors; in both cases, the doors only open in response to a password (NW vows, valar memelis)
>CotF lost war against humans, badly; likely still hostile
>Valyrian Freehold is the most powerful human organization, making for a ripe target = motive for Doom
>Hammer of the Waters proves CotF can perform powerful magic that can reshape the earth, as well as possessing the knowledge to interfere with the magic of others, like the fire mages tending to the Fourteen Flames = means for Doom
>Arya is too stupid to realize it, but the Kindly Man is obviously aware of her false training and refusal to fully dissociate; the FM are grooming her for a mission separate from their alleged goal
>their alleged goal is to kill humans, lots and lots and lots of them
>CotF are visibly non-human, begging the question of how they were not driven to extinction; plausibly developed/deployed face-changing magic to survive; Arya's experience with the magic implies it involves assimilating the real memories and quirks of the original face's owner, calling to mind similarities to both warging and greenseeing/time-travel-by-consciousness-casting
>FM still have access to magic, despite the old powers being effectively dead until Dany's eggs hatch, implying they have access to something great and/or knowledgeable, like an ancient race of not-elves that still practice magic and worship a "real" god
There's also indications that the Children of the Forest were present in Essos, which lends to this theory
yeah gonna need more info, that seems outlandish even as ASOIAF theories go
Valyrian Dragonlords destroyed Hardhome, mistaking it for Braavos.
When Braavos was originally founded, its location was kept as a secret due to it being founded by escaped slaves from Valyria. Only a few sailors actually knew how to get there, and the ledgers were faked to make it impossible to know its location for the first hundred years. But when a ledger implied that Braavos was hidden beyond the Wall, dragonriders flew up and torched the place.
Dragons won't fly beyond the wall
post-doom, sure, but the description of Hardhome's destruction matches that of dragonfire.
Why would the doom have changed anything? Also, the raining ash makes me think volcanic eruption or something like that more than dragon fire. Granted, the survivors were said to be taken by slavers from beyond the narrow sea so I guess that supports the theory
So instead of reading the books you watched a YouTube video to get your opinions?
have a nice day.
>uhm achtually in the boo-
Don't care.
Season 5 as a whole took a sharp turn down the shitter compared to season 4, which already had issues
While traveling on the Selaesori Qhoran, Tyrion tells Penny that he had a singer cooked in a stew for writing a song about him
ADWD, Chapter 40
If he looked that mutilated no one would be on his side. Like, he'd be so visually abhorrent that he'd be hard coded to be a villain. People would just expect the worst from him and his successes would be seen as insidious. He'd he interesting to watch but it's clear that Tyrion was a posterboy for GOT for the first few seasons. All I ever heard about when this shit was discussed in normie circles was
>THE MIDGET THE MIDGET OMG HE'S LIKE A SHORT TONY STARK GUYS THE MIDGET FRICKS LOL
He was like a toy. They kept him around and he performed progressively worse until he was only there because he was recognizable in appearance, not in character.
>Tyrion is another good example of what separates Tolkien and Martin. Tyrion isn't a hearty, ax-wielding, gold-mining member of a noble dwarven race. He's not Gimli. Tyrion is an actual dwarf, achondroplastic and stubby-limbed, a joke to passersby and an embarrassment to his family
LOTRgayS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>No Tysha follow-up
>No drunk wine aunt Cersei becoming delusional and fat
>No remorseful Jaime campaigning through the Riverlands trying to create some reputation of honor
The Lannisters post-Tywin had the best chapters.
>no Myrish swamp
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH IT WAS THE MOST SEXPOSITION SCENE IN THE BOOKS IT WAS FRICKING PERFECT FOR THE SHOW FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
jaime and brienne chapters are the GOATs after book 3
>that wild Sansa Stark goose chase through desolated, but slowly recovering Riverlands
Brienna's chapters were very comfy. Too bad Rorge and the Bitter fricked her face up.
loved seeing how bad it got for the smallfolk in the riverlands, plus the Hound's helmet taking on a mythic persona itself was very cool
>loved seeing how bad it got for the smallfolk in the riverlands
Based, frick riverlanders. Their noble house unironically started and lost the war, so as far as I'm concerned, the desolation was well earned
Can't wait to watch an entire season/s of Aemond burning Riverlander fricking shits
>moron Tully sisters team up to get manipulated into starting the war
>War masterminded by a Tully ward who's still seething because a Stark had to clean up yet another Tully mess
>While Robb is busy winning the war, he's backstabbed at every opportunity by Tully incompetency
>Catlyn releases the most valuable prisoner of the war (for a promise LMAO)
>Edmure disobeys direct orders, resulting in the failed siege of king's landing
>Catlyn single handedly "negotiates" their way across the Crossing, resulting in wildly unfavorable terms
>These unfavorable terms result in Robb's death
Frick I hate Tullys so much it's unreal
Punished Tyrion would have been sweet. You can see flashes of it in the early seasons, but he became too liked and a meme.
The fat frick will never fisnish the books won't he...
>2023
>People are still wondering
>Massive pitched battle
>Half of the fighters don't wear helmets
how else are you gonna recognise who to cheer for
They could've at least let him kill Night King. What a tremendous narrative frick up.
>jon stopping the walker at hardhome with his valyrian sword
>the staredown with the night king as he raises the dead
it was hyped up so well too
For me, it's not wearing any head-coverings or scarves north of The Wall, effectively the arctic circle.
>Stabs sword through skull and helmet at 0:17
Looks like they didn't need them anyway.
It's a nice action scene at least
I gave up vikings on the first episode after that "battle"
the battles in Vikings get better as the series goes on, but the budget was clearly a fraction of GoT
Vikings actually had some of the best battles though, many of them were arguably better than GoT ones
There wasn't even a battle in the first episode, it was like a fight?
Kind of a goofy reason to drop Vikings. Literally it's best asset. The show in general is not great especailly post ragnar though.
>Vikings actually had some of the best battles though, many of them were arguably better than GoT ones
I've seen none of those.
>There wasn't even a battle in the first episode, it was like a fight?
Skirmish more like
>Kind of a goofy reason to drop Vikings. Literally it's best asset
Not from what I saw. A show airing in the history channel where some vikings forming a shield wall is considered some revolutionary tactical genius move
>I've seen none of those.
Wow, imagine that, after dropping it on the first episode.
Well yeah, the one I saw was that bad
Well I'll agree with you because I only remember MAYBE a little fight where Ragnar goes back to his house or something? It's been a while
In the first season I don't remember any actual fight scenes until the fifth episode when he fights the leader dude, and then the battle on the beach later on, which is ok, but if you want to criticize it you'll be able to
I'd say the next seasons have the good battle scenes.
I'm not saying watch the show, if you didn't like one episode then don't. But the later episodes definitely have some good battles if you like that kind of thing
>still mad their shows aren’t documentaries
Sorry bud
This.
Vikings should have Ragnar riding a cool laser motorcycle
I also gave up on vikings very early. I found it to be cringey, grim-dark, and something a 12 year old pagan larper who wants to RETVRN would write
Also the shaved side head haircut on the MC was embarrassing
>Just saw this 1 hour video ess
stopped reading right there
It’s quite sad that his story will never be resolved
He's probably tinkering with AI prompts and realizing some Nvidia/AMD vaporware is churning out better chapter ideas than he had planned.
GRRM has so many autists in his orbit that i'm sure the story could be finished via another dark fantasy author + the elio guy who wrote 'the world of ice and fire'. it wouldn't be great but it would likely be serviceable
prestonjacobs is doing a winds of winter fan fiction project
LOL fricking based, i was wondering what that dingus was up to these days. good on him, he cares about the story far more than GRRM, too bad his ideas often border on moronic. is he still peddling the 'westeros is a post apoc sci fi world' theory?
I think he still does
>he cares about the story far more than GRRM
He only cares about his own schizo interpretation of the story, the one time he met George in person he got one of his crazy theories instantly shot down and seethed about it for the rest of the night
>his own schizo interpretation of the story
Jacobs is a huge shitlib and I like to imagine he channels all the conspiratorial wrong-think he's not supposed to have into his theories
GRRM is a huge lib
That doesn't really relate to what I said. I'm not saying Preston is reading shitlib themes into the work, I'm saying he's not allowed to think conspiratorially about the real world so he channels that energy into his theory videos
Oh sure
Not sure that flies, libs and lefties have their own conspiracies. The funny thing is that a lot of them believe that a cabal of self interested, wealthy, powerful individuals with nepotistic tendencies are responsible for most of the major decision making in the world. The only thing that really changes on that front depending on Left/Right is if the malevolent overlords are israelites or rich white men.
Hell, Michael Moore built his entire career off of lefty liberal conspiracies. I think you'll find people interested in conspiracy theories within pretty much any ideology.
How the FRICK did the Night King not raise the Winterfell crypts? They’re such a great chekov’s gun and it would be completely appropriate and excellent for Jon to discover his lineage by the corpse of Lyanna rising out of her grave wearing a Targaryen shroud
he did though, they attack the civilians hiding in the crypt
Oh, shitty memory on my part
The best actor was a handsome midget. Get over it
>real
it's a book. it's not real
What is the point of this pedantry when literally every single person including you know exactly what he meant? This is the argument you want to get into? Pretend you don't know what he meant so we can argue about it? Why? Why anon? What is your plan? What is your goal? Who are you? What do you want? Do you have anything worth living for?
This video worth watching then?
Most of Alt Shift X's content is worth watching
skipped
did not read
Do you care about Tyrion's story in the books and how it differs from the show? Then yes. I watched it and enjoyed it, and I rarely watch these hour long essay things
I'm also a GoT autist, though.
The year is 2035. A Dream of Spring has been released.
HBO announces they are working with ufotable to make a full anime adaptation of ASOIAF, copmpletely faithful to the books.
>full anime adaptation of ASOIAF
So 30 seasons then? What would the movies be about? Major events or side-stories?
I don't like the children of the forest because their name is stupid and also elves, which they kind of are, are gay, druids and nature people are gay
Furthermore the show depicted them in two different ways as literal children, and then as bark women, and their scenes were bad and had bad CGI like that part when they throw pine cones at the skeletons.
Yup, the show biases me against the book, but nothing named Children of the Forest could ever be good
The Others is also a bad name.
Thanks for reading my blog!
>The Others is also a bad name.
it's supposed to be a dehumanizing name because one of the themes is about "othering" people not like you so you can justify doing bad things to them.
>1 hour video essay
I always thought it was funny that his name is Dinklage, becuse it rhymes with Shrinkage, and he is a dwarf.
>readlet mad that the show he jerked off and coomed over for a decade was retroactively ruined for him because he was too dumb to read and instead watched a video essay
Why did Tyrion hate his brother for telling him the truth? why did he took offense to that?
Not so much him telling the truth as much as keeping it from him for so long. He broods on the fake waifu thing A LOT and it's a source of major insecurity and explains a lot about how he operates. He basically found out his life is a lie. Plus, I suspect Jaime didn't know the full impact of what he told Tyrion because I doubt he knew what Tywin did
>Not so much him telling the truth as much as keeping it from him for so long
Oh, I thought it was a "I would have prefered not knowing" situation.
Nah, whatever his flaws, Tyrion values truth and knowledge. He was just seething about living a lie for so long. He spent his entire adult life buying affection because he (wrongly) assumed from that childhood experience that no one could ever truly love him.
Because he spent like 15 years living a drunken and depressed lie because his brother agreed to lie to him that he can’t be loved on behalf of the father who arranged her gang rape
Oh boy, wait 'til he finds out about Oberyn's daughters, Samwell's entire citadel plot, the ironborn plot, and the Grand Northern Conspiracy