Visually and tonally perfect, with a fantastic soundtrack and incredible casting. The story is possibly the most moronic adaptation of the book possible. Still better than Dunc's barebones plot and beige visuals. Sci-Fi Channel's is till the best in terms of adapting story and characters.
you are wrong, black hearts up quicker but it also disapates heat, white takes longer to heat up but it traps heat
thays why people in deserts where black when they are out for a long time and white for quick trips
>Far closer to the book version
nice backpedal from 'visually and tonally perfect', but still no
3 months ago
Anonymous
Good job forgetting the rest of the movie btw because the baron fits into it perfect, now stop being moronic
3 months ago
Anonymous
the baron fits in Dunc too. in both portrayals he fits the aesthetic. Lynch's bordered on cartoonish gross out, which was fine for that movie, but not in a sterile brutalist one like Dunc. its also kinda nonsensical for the Baron to be suffering from that condition in a world where the technology was worked so well. maybe in star wars where medicine is kind of ambiguous
sci fi channels is the best in terms of tone as well because of the depiction of the baron harkonnen being a luxurious gay flamboyant romanesque aristrocrat. its really a delightful depiction of a villain all around. you really believe how fricked up he is and how much he loves it, you can like understand why someone might be that way, according to his value system he thinks that he's a apex guy becuase he's as sophisticated and cultured as he is, not like the david lynch or villneuve herbert, why would someone want to be as gross as the david lynch baron or as bland as the villneueve baron.
villneueve baron, in my opinion, suffers because of the choice to make him more shadowy and in the background. you don't see much of him. In the book you kinda always looked forward to Harkkonen parts because they were deranged and wild. I think he decided to make him more like Hannibal Lector in Red Dragon, where you have more limited info but some knowledge of his menace
>fantastic soundtrack
I can't believe it was made by fricking Toto lol
But yeah awesome sountrack, even bought the vinyl at an 2nd hand record shop.
The opening track was sampled by countless psy-trance and techno producers.
you can't adapt dunes story to a movie
you can get the tone and setting right, but the book is just so densely written with tangents and philosophies and inner monologues
so the adaptations come out moronic or like you said barebones
I agree with everything in this. The Sci-Fi Channel's was easily the best and the Irulan dinner party scene they added straight up feels like it belongs in the novel.
nah. nobody wears all-black in the piping-hot desert. black clothes are a magnet for heat
Spoken like someone who has never lived in a desert. In a dry heat black is the best way to stay cool.
the problem with the Sci-Fi channel one is that even though adding more of the book makes the post-Liet part of the story feel better-paced, there's no fixing the moronic fight scene at the end (that makes no sense in the book), or the fact that Paul is comically OP. definitely the best Irulan though.
Lynch's Dune is the best adaptation just because it skips over the parts of the book which are moronic and make no sense.
Sci-Fi channel did film it. They did a good job. The only criticism you even offered was "Paul is OP." The fights are choreographed in all the adaptations and you can watch them. Are you having difficulty following them for some reason? Why?
3 months ago
Anonymous
its a dramatic problem. a fight scene where one side can't lose can't be suspenseful. a fight scene the Navigator's guild wouldn't let happen because of the possibility that Paul might lose and the Fremen might destroy the spice shouldn't have been included by Herbert in the original story... but he was a mediocre hack and wanted a sword fight.
you've picked out the one part of what I said you feel confident justifying. Dune is not a particularly well-thought-out book and neither is the setting. Lynch's version does the best job of hiding its many problems.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>a fight scene the Navigator's guild wouldn't let happen
You are very logically thinking here, but wouldn't the presence of both Alia and Paul hide it *very well*?
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're becoming nonsensical. The Spacing Guild didn't know Paul could destroy the spice until the scene ends with the fight. They had no power to prevent it.
Previously you said the fights make no sense. They do. Feyd is a self-absorbed narcissist who doesn't understand what Paul is so challenges him. Is it suspenseful? I dunno. Is the climactic one on one duel ever suspenseful? Guess what: the hero wins. Did I just spoil the suspense of literally every story ever, for you?
Paul has no reason to fight Feyd because he's already won. he has no reason to hide that he can destroy the spice because that's the basis of his power "the ability to destroy a thing is power over it".
>the final fight scene isn't meant to be suspenseful!
you're too invested in the story to recognize when a bad decision by the writer (this is fiction) is bad.
Herbert didn't know he was writing a hit, he was some guy who wrote a book and got it published. hence it having all kinds of problems both in the backstory, the main narrative and in Frank's execution of the ideas he later claimed he always wanted to be "the point" as part of justifying what he did.
but in internet discussions fans of books always think longer = better. wrong & not an argument.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Paul has no reason to fight Feyd because he's already won.
That's nonsense. Paul has lots of reasons to fight Feyd:
A. Paul hates Feyd and wants to stab him and has been taught to hate him since birth
B. Feyd invoked kanley and Paul has been taught since birth to follow it
C. Paul has made himself emperor and wants to demonstrate his personal power to the assemblage in that room
>he has no reason to hide that he can destroy the spice because that's the basis of his power "the ability to destroy a thing is power over it".
You're just not understanding. Paul doesn't "hide" things from the Spacing Guild. The Spacing Guild is not capable of seeing past decisions Paul has not made. His threat is earnest: he will destroy the spice if he is not obeyed. Therefore the Spacing Guild cannot see past that decision point and cannot tell that Paul is going to threaten to do it.
These things are explained in the novels. I think you might simply be dumb.
>you're too invested in the story to recognize when a bad decision by the writer
I think you're too obsessed with attacking Frank Herbert to think through the stupid things you're saying. Heroes win the one-on-one duel with the big bad at the end of stories. Yes: it's true in Dune. And every other story ever. So what are you whining about?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nta but I liked the fight.
It's also a symbolic union of the two characters who would have been lovers if the BG had their way and Paul was born "Paulina"
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're becoming nonsensical. The Spacing Guild didn't know Paul could destroy the spice until the scene ends with the fight. They had no power to prevent it.
Previously you said the fights make no sense. They do. Feyd is a self-absorbed narcissist who doesn't understand what Paul is so challenges him. Is it suspenseful? I dunno. Is the climactic one on one duel ever suspenseful? Guess what: the hero wins. Did I just spoil the suspense of literally every story ever, for you?
>Lynch's Dune is the best adaptation just because it skips over the parts of the book which are moronic and make no sense.
Spoken like a midwit who cant handle kino
>Dune's fight scene at the end makes everything the worst
You realize, even in the book, it's a TINY couple of pages and meant to last juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust long enough for a nuclear bomb to go off. Not a war.
It's fantastic. And I don't care the Hopper CGI wasn't 300 million dollars of budget from the 90s.
heard there was a special a special reason why all this has happened that no one can understand
I don't think we've heard the last from anyone even REMOTELY involved in all of this
that's not just my instinct, but also what a lot of people might be saying
Why what happened? The messed-up post production? That's quite easy to understand. Several people have talked about it that were involved, mainly Lynch (as much as he hates to talk about it) and DiLaurentiis.
Dunc doesn't do either of those things though. no scene is too long. i know you contrarian homosexuals will hate whatever the latest hit is, but it keeps a good pace. i do think a lot of you watched this on your computer with shitty sound though and that has tarnished a lot of it for you, since the sound conveyed scope so well.
>Dunc doesn't do either of those things though. no scene is too long. i know you contrarian homosexuals will hate whatever the latest hit is, but it keeps a good pace. i do think a lot of you watched this on your computer with shitty sound though and that has tarnished a lot of it for you, since the sound conveyed scope so well.
I turned it off partway through because it was holding on to useless scenery chewing scenes too long. Dunc is one of the most boring pedestrian movies ever made in what should be a strange and beautiful setting. Dunc is 100% trash.
its bad but has a really good aesthetic. faithfully recreated sets and props with some interesting Lynch weirdness. Ruins a lot of themes and messages and Kyle was too old for the role, really not a good fit. Sound guns are pretty moronic too, but its usually interesting throughout. did you watch the full cut or the long one though? theatrical kinda sucks imo
Anyone and everyone should only be watching the spice diver edit, which is so good it has now been put on various editions of blu ray releases. Available for free on youtube. I didn't go watch this in the theater the last two days because it was the gay original version.
It's good until they hit the point where Paul and Jessica are in the desert and it turns into a fast forward clip show. Would have been neat to see this as a 2 parter instead of shoved into one movie.
we deserved the lynch cut, he submitted 3.5 hours of footage and it was considered too long meanwhile DUNC is going to need 3 parts and take like 9 hours to cover the same story.
in terms of aesthetic it will never be matched. you can't have that many white people in a movie anymore.
The TV edit is not Lynch's extended cut, hence why he removed his name from it
sci fi channels is the best in terms of tone as well because of the depiction of the baron harkonnen being a luxurious gay flamboyant romanesque aristrocrat. its really a delightful depiction of a villain all around. you really believe how fricked up he is and how much he loves it, you can like understand why someone might be that way, according to his value system he thinks that he's a apex guy becuase he's as sophisticated and cultured as he is, not like the david lynch or villneuve herbert, why would someone want to be as gross as the david lynch baron or as bland as the villneueve baron.
Baron harkonnen was still the same evil gay in dune, he just wasn't as flamboyant
Besides that he felt more like a villain in the movie
i read that they specifically toned down the gay side of the baron harkonnen in DUNC becuase they didn't want to offend anyone, so fricking gay, probably why they avoid having arabs play fremen.
i'm literally a homosexual and i think that its cool to have a gay super villain. minorities don't need to only be flawless super heros in fiction.
They "toned him down" because Villeneuve is a hack who doesn't understand how character writing works.
3 months ago
Anonymous
DUNC is such a slop, my god. Way to totally miss the fricking point of the story, Villememe
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, you've seen nothing yet. Part 2 literally omits Alia from the story.
this is so incredibly unprofessional
for an actor to say it
and if it's true, for the director to direct it
I don't blame the actor. It's the director's job to communicate things like character motivation and backstory if the script doesn't. Especially if the director is the one who wrote the script.
3 months ago
Anonymous
...if that is so, I can't believe how bad Villeneuve fricked up! But seeing the product, I probably can...
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Part 2 literally omits Alia from the story
Ayy lmao... I don't think this is true though
3 months ago
Anonymous
She is a talking fetus instead
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think this is true though
It is. She appears in a vision, as a 30-year-old, played by Anya Taylor Joy. And that's it.
The baron gets killed by Timofee Charmander.
And Zendaya apparently doesn't trust of believe Paul at all, while also getting jealous of Pugh in the end or something along the lines.
Oh, and spoilers. Not going to bother marking all of this shit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Well that's fricking moronic
3 months ago
Anonymous
this is so incredibly unprofessional
for an actor to say it
and if it's true, for the director to direct it
Villeneuve approaches everything with mass audiences in mind. Every decision he makes is based on what he thinks will be most palatable to normalgays. The baron being a disgustingly fat gay pedophile would weird out the people in the theater so he makes him a evil monster man cloaked in the shadows.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Villeneuve approaches everything with mass audiences in mind.
if that were the case his movies wouldn't be sleep-inducing bilge. the Lynch Dune is slow but its still far more well-paced than Dunc1 or BR2049
3 months ago
Anonymous
>if that were the case his movies wouldn't be sleep-inducing bilge.
Nah, I agree with the other anon. Villeneuve clearly wants to cater to the lowest common denominator.
That he fails to do so is an issue of talent (or rather a lack thereof), not one of intent.
3 months ago
Anonymous
As a fat, gay guy I’m more offended that they removed my ridiculous pedo spirit animal from the movie.
The sleeper has awakened!
And yeah, what this anon says is pretty accurate
Dude basically goes from drinking the water of life to confronting the Emperor in about 15 minutes
Dune should be a two season miniseries, ten episodes each. Trying to cram that entire book into even a three hour movie, or a two parter, is just moronic.
I like Dune 84, but did you all ever stop to think that the Dune story is just outdated? Unless the nu-Dune producers took a wildly different direction (pissing off fan boys and their pocket books), its always going to boil down to the same old tired story.
Everyone is so hungry for it to the next great saga, but it was surpassed in its most basic form by the 70s.
In terms of popular appeal? Star Wars.
In terms of literally appeal? Any number of scifi series.
The sad thing is Dune doesn't even have a lot of competition in the space opera film subgenre. Perhaps it could revive spaces operas like LOTR revived sword & sorcery, but the story has already been done to death.
Dune's story hasn't really been done to death. A neat and nuanced pseudo-mystical subversion of the chosen one story abut the dangers of charismatic leaders and stagnation? And LOTR, the film series, killed fantasy cinema, and it mostly put sword & sorcery to death. LOTR is epic fantasy, in scale and stakes. I'd kill for actual low scale, personal stakes sword & sorcery to return.
>Dune's story hasn't really been done to death. A neat and nuanced pseudo-mystical subversion of the chosen one story abut the dangers of charismatic leaders and stagnation?
literally game of thrones dude
Is it just me or Dune seems kind of lame? >so yeah, there's this one planet in the entire universe where some worms shit out time travel juice >yeah we just found it one day when we were drunk and crashed on the planet >we saw these giant ass worms and we were like "dudeeeeee imagine eating their shit lmao"
It just sounds dumb.
its not time travel juice, it makes your cognitive ability perfect so you can see every variable. its like what would happen if you introduced 'x' and you can see all the variables that introduces
3 months ago
Anonymous
I was hoping for you to correct something else but ok...
I just don't think the story has been done to death. Star Wars is a pretty poor example. there's some 'mysticism' but its really not playing the same role in Dune, its not magic. Star wars is much more sword & sorcery. even the political allegories are focused differently. They both have some old world backdrops, but Dune's is feudal, so even that isn't similar. maybe someone made to be a prophecy is something but even how that is set up is completely different
Thats why i said popular appeal. we arent talking about the quality of Dune here, only its marketing potential. No one is going to give a shit about these Dune movies in a few years.
>its always going to boil down to the same old tired story
The problem is the completely story ONLY exists in the book and every attempt to adapt it has completely and utterly failed to convey any of the nuance or interesting ideas or themes. Three times now the ecological, charismatic, and neo-medieval content of the book has been completely thrown aside in favour of magic and weird shit with none of the substance or comprehension of the story.
It's not even that difficult to tell the story, but the interesting bits in it are all culturally taboo. Dennis Vilenew can't even mention jihad when talking about the Fremen. That's the least controversial thing to get worried about.
Yeah the first act drags on forever and there’s zero tension because we already know dr yueh is the traitor from the start then when we get to the final act Paul basically just pulls a nuke out of his ass and blows up the shield wall so he can win in 5 minutes and get the story over with. The saudakar job for the entire story and never become anything more than faceless goons for the fremen to punch. Dune 1984 worked because it leaned heavily on giving audiences a big spectacle and unique visuals which let you ignore the mediocre story.
Compare it to something like Lawrence of Arabia which never got boring despite being 3 hours long. The first act is just him walking through the desert but there’s the whole rescue of that one guy that’s great stuff.
>we already know dr yueh is the traitor from the start
It's the same in the book but there it lends a kind of impending doom feeling, and people who know there's a traitor begin suspecting each other
I watched an hour long video synopsis of the Butlerian Jihad and it was really lame. Like UNIRONICALLY low level marvel tier. It doesn't fit with what I have seen of the rest of the lore at all. Its ripe to be completely retconned and re done by a superior writer. It's honestly a glaring hole in the realism and believability of the deeper lore of the universe.
What you watched was a synopsis of one of the novels co-authored by Frank Herbert's hack of a son. I don't think even he considers his novels to be canonical.
>I watched an hour long video synopsis of the Butlerian Jihad and it was really lame.
Because the Butlerian Jihad is a story that REALLY did not need to be told. It's there to provide a bit of history, and to explain why computers aren't used, hence why spice is so important. It wasn't meant to be an unltra-detailed part of the story.
Compare it to Obi-Wan mentioning the "Clone Wars" to Luke in the first Star Wars. No one even knew what the "Clone Wars" were about, or why they were named that, let alone any details. All that mattered was that Obi-Wan and Anakin Skywalker had fought in them. And that was okay. Then Lucas made the prequels and suddenly he had to come up with some stupid explanation for clones. And the supplementary authors did the rest. And it was terrible. Maybe not as terrible as Brian's Butlerian Jihad, but terribe nonetheless.
>the Butlerian Jihad is a story that REALLY did not need to be told
I don't really agree with this. if it's a living breathing universe in terms of world building then something so significant to the setting is worth being told but only IF it can be told competently.
Also as long as it's not supposed to be a mystery. Like the dark age of technology in 40k. On the other hand the Clone Wars weren't supposed to be a mystery. So it was definitely worth telling.
>something so significant to the setting is worth being told
What makes stories worth being told is the meaning they have. Their themes, messages, or at least an emotional connection you can make to their subject matter.
Being an important part of the setting doesn't imply any of those things. So, sure, if you have a great idea for a story that can hold its own, set during the Butlerian Jihad, go ahead and tell it. But don't just fill in lore details for the sake of it. That never makes for a good story.
So even if Brian Herbert was a competent writer, he'd need something to tell other than (fictional) historical facts.
This is stupid. If the world doesn't feel bigger than the stories you tell in it, then it isn't a living, breathing universe. So if you explored all of them without writing more you didn't explore, you'd no longer be building a good world.
Interesting but the book is better >no pustules floating screaming baron >no weird scream activated cameras that shoot lasers >no bald bene gesserit >no captain Picard holding a pug in the middle of a battle
> It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains. The stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion
Just saw it for the first time on Sunday in the theater, it was surprisingly kino.
I don’t think so. I never read the novel but I saw DUNC so I knew it what was going on though. Lynch relied pretty heavily on the voiceovers to explain what was going on but even then I can see how audiences at the time found the plot so baffling
Right at the beginning when there's a graphic showing the different planets and who comes from them, it's right after the credits.
the baron fits in Dunc too. in both portrayals he fits the aesthetic. Lynch's bordered on cartoonish gross out, which was fine for that movie, but not in a sterile brutalist one like Dunc. its also kinda nonsensical for the Baron to be suffering from that condition in a world where the technology was worked so well. maybe in star wars where medicine is kind of ambiguous
The doctor specifically says that the Baron's skin diseases are deliberately induced for aesthetic purposes
Making the Baron a disgusting, openly lecherous pederast was bold. Loved the Lynch cameo as well. I heard someone snoring loudly in the theater when I watched it
i wonder if lynch ever had a private screening of Showgirls (1995). the movie did give off some lynchian vibes. wouldn't surprise me if it influenced lynch to write and direct mulholland dr as a low-key sequel to Showgirls
>Leto and Ghanima were allowed in the orgies because they had incredibly sophisticated minds >there were Fremen in the orgies that weren't aware of that and didn't object to their presence
not really. frank was a coomer and probably had a heart attack jerking off to fantasies of space prostitutes claiming mens wieners with their vegana magic.
you're moronic, because that porn parody game by Balsamique is based on Dune 2 by Cryo Interactive (1992), which itself is based on Lynch's adaptation.
Dune 2 was based on all Dune sources. The ordos, for instance, are from the encyclopedia. It was not strictly based on the Lynch film. It just grabbed everything there was to grab.
I saw this in the cinema when it was released originally. It was awe -inspiring. I had read all the books by the time of the film, so was disappointed the story got butchered but i still left happy with the cinematic experience.
no nothing like that. just watched the whole thing right through. biiiig screen though and the desert scenes were great! the Harkonnens were creepy AF especially with their Sqood and heart plugs.
haven't seen the new one yet, is it like updated to the new cultural norms?
this board hates it, but I really like the new one. I think they are just being the contrarians they usually are. I would definitely say you watch it loud though. it loses some of Lynch's aesthetic for a brutalist preference, but the sound design is incredible. it also makes some interesting choices for more 'unfilmable' scenes, that i think work only for people who read the book. like the assassination drone reacting to thoughts, Lynch's had a dilemma in how to pull that off, and paul having a monologue was pretty contradictory, so they just don't explain it in the new one, if you read it, you know he's trying not to think. if you didn't, tough luck.
as for cultural norms, everything is the same. the fremen tend to be (not always) more brown but thats the way the book was anyways. I also think it really did the Bene Gesserits very well, made them scary
I liked watching DUNC in the cinema and I'll go to see part 2, but I think a lot of the criticisms are valid and it feels more like a sidegrade to Dune 84 rather than the upgrade you'd hope it'd be.
i really think it depends what you're looking for in an adaptation. outside of a high budget series sacrifices are going to be made. i just think people are way too hard on it
the BG were scary in Lynch's - that might be a generational thing!
i have seen the original releases of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the original Star Trek movie, 1984, so on. the only film that was more impressive than Dune in its scope *(when it was released) for me was The Matrix.
i have never seen any star wars movie. proud of that.
Lynch's Dune is a visual buffett, so just don't go in expecting that. the new one does the story better. The characters are closer to the books which means they aren't sort of displaying to the audience what they are as much. even if you wind up not liking it, it isn't bad, although part 2 i guess makes the difference, since part one is.. well, part one of dune.
Did you see Roger Rabbit in theaters?
3 months ago
Anonymous
only the second one with hoskins, took my little cousin.
yeah ill bear all that in mind and go find a showing to see it in the cinema. thanks!
3 months ago
Anonymous
actually think im confused with the bugs bunny movie? which one had 2 movies? muh memory isnt always accurate lol
3 months ago
Anonymous
Who Framed Roger Rabbit had only one movie, with Hoskins. I just wondered because of your timeframe, i think it would have been fun to see in theaters.
3 months ago
Anonymous
cant really remember it ! actually went to see mona lisa with my mom, now that was a great film
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the new one does the story better. The characters are closer to the books
is that why liet kynes is a black woman?
Enjoyed the Spicediver cut, fights looked too one-sided in general though. By the time you get to the raid against Shaddam IV, you know there’s not gonna be any back and forth, surges and whatnot. David Lynch really needed a fight choreographer too
Lots of Villeneuve fanboys in this thread, I see.
It's going to be interesting when DUNC2 comes out and they'll bend backwards to defend Alia not even being in it while still shaming Lynch over weirding modules.
Is it just me or Dune seems kind of lame? >so yeah, there's this one planet in the entire universe where some worms shit out time travel juice >yeah we just found it one day when we were drunk and crashed on the planet >we saw these giant ass worms and we were like "dudeeeeee imagine eating their shit lmao"
It just sounds dumb.
>we saw these giant ass worms and we were like "dudeeeeee imagine eating their shit lmao"
That's not how it works. Spice is a (mostly) subterrean resource. There's no way that the connection to worms would have been made when they first discovered it.
As for its psychedelic and mind-expanding effects: How do you think people found out what magic mushrooms do? People used to eat random stuff they found. And if something was too hard to eat as is, they grated it and used it as ... spice, ironically. Guess that solves where that name came from.
Eating something familiar from the nearby forest seems more realistic than traveling the universe to find some desert planet, dig a hole on it despite the giant worms trying to eat you for the lulz, and then just slurp whatever was in that hole for clout or something, even the dumbest tiktoker would think it twice.
You thought it was an audacious undertaking with inspired casting choices. The set designs and imagery invoking Escher and Geiger, it really is an under appreciated gem if only because it crafted a world that only Lynch could stitch together.
my favorite part in the lynch dune is when paul blasts feyd's corpse for no good reason, apparently even destroying his soul or some shit, and stilgar says "muad'dib" like what the hell bro
The only problem with Lynch's Dune was they tried to cram Dune into 2 hours so they fricked up the story and relied extensively on info dumps. DUNC took all the wrong lessons from it and stripped out all uniqueness and weirdness which were the redeeming features of Lynch's adaption and Dune in general, and made it soulless and bland. I don't even hate DUNC but it could have been better
I love the big blocky square shield CGI. They look just moronic enough to match the concept of >you have to slow down your attack to penetrate the shield >but 99% of the fight is at normal speed, the combat "technique" is to slow down right before a hit
>the weirding modules are not canon
Huh, that's a weird one, seemed like a good concept to give a fighting chance to a bunch of cavemen going against ultrafuturistic interstellar forces, like, dude, how you lose that.
everyone uses knives and swords because shooting a shield with lasguns causes an atomic explosion at both ends of the laser, killing both the shield user and the lasgun user and anyone around them, so ground troops cant use either in ordinary combat with out risking MAD
it is specifically stated in the books that the average fremen is better with a knife than most sardaukar, they dont need le ebin word weapon because they are stronger and also more numerous
the reason why they dont own the planet already is that they value their fredom and their secrecy, without these they would be nuked from orbit by every house in the galaxy, it is pauls intervention and threat to the spice that allows them to come out openly
>the reason why they dont own the planet already is that they value their fredom and their secrecy
Well, kinda. The reason the Fremen didn't control Arrakis is because the Spacing Guild didn't want them to. The Spacing Guild wanted the competition between the houses to ensure large quantities of spice production, but kept the Fremens' secrets and allowed the smugglers as insurance. The Spacing Guild had the production quotas from whoever controlled the fief of Arrakis. They then had the Fremen and Smuggler bribes as insurance against failure by whoever controlled the fief. And then they had their stockpiles as insurance against that. And they had the Empire as insurance against conflict. The Spacing Guild was the threat to the Fremen, and the deal they offered the Fremen was simple: you can't be in control, but you can be alive if you bribe us enough. Kynes' plan was to set up the Fremen as an independent power right under the Guild's nose. The Missionaria Protectiva was also well-aware that the Fremen were so numerous but, assumedly, only those super high-up the chain were let in on the secret.
the fremen would be invaded by every house in the galaxy if they did what paul did without threatening the spice, no one on the planet would be willing to destroy the spice (and by extension the worms) forever, it would be the complete destruction of their lifestyle, the return to being a persecuted race of nomads constantly being genocided, and the death of their god shai-halud
it is only possible because paul becomes a deity figure, is capable of prescience, and is willing to threaten that lifestyle
the spacing guild protects the fremen from the great houses and the emperor, they do not have the means or the authority to prevent a total fremen uprising themselves
Ok just 'cuz what's more fun than quibbling about obscure aspects of Dune lore:
>the spacing guild protects the fremen from the great houses and the emperor, they do not have the means or the authority to prevent a total fremen uprising themselves
You've got that backwards. The Spacing Guild is the Empire and is the threat to the Fremen, as well as their protection. The Guild extorts them just like a mob protection racket. The rest of the Empire only exists because the Guild allows it, and the whole thing is doing the Guild's bidding except, to some extent, Ix and the Bene Gesserit. But even they are only rebelling to the degree that the Spacing Guild is allowing them to. No one in the Empire can travel between planets or do anything except that the Guild lets them. No one can attack the Fremen except that the Guild takes their armies to Arrakis. But yes: it's only Paul's willingness to destroy the spice that ultimately protects him from, and gives him the upper hand over, the Guild.
Every aspect of the galactic system is in a balance of power, the guild has no capacity to enforce rulings on any planet because they have no military capacity and the emperor would not allow them to create one. Instead they rely on great houses to administer planets and their populations, the emperor to keep those houses in check, and chaom to facilitate the necessity of their actions.
They cant just control arrakis themselves or bargain with another to control arrakis between themselves, because then other actors in the system may decide to set up rival spacing guilds based on private stockpiles and then compete with them (using their militaries) over arrakis. Messing with the system only gives them the chance to lose everything. The point of the setting is that the galactic system is stagnant and nobody can make any real progress, that includes the guild.
Pic related
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Every aspect of the galactic system is in a balance of power
Intentionally set up that way by the Guild. Which is openly stated in Dune. Paul speculates: >then other actors in the system may decide to set up rival spacing guilds
Exactly that. The Guild is in a position of power to manipulate all actors, and they believe that they do literally control the whole universe. They choose to do it indirectly. The Guild is capable of ruling everything. They choose to exert control through manipulation.
Real dune fans know that the syfy series is the best and this slop was Lynchs attempt at making his weird star wars knock off with no respect to the source material and villeneuve just want everyone to praise his le epic reddit visuals and Hollywood celeb cameos
>Real dune fans know that the syfy series is the best
No one with more than half a braincell thinks this. The SYFY series is atrocious in many respects.
The Sci-Fi miniseries may have had low budget 90s CGI and obvious backdrops in some scenes, but the fidelity to the story was better, the costumes were better, the sets more visually interesting, the acting was better, the music was better...
And breasts.
It certainly beat Lynch's demented fan fiction, or Villneueve's bowl of oatmeal.
Tons of wonderful novels could be told as extended miniseries if we some studio had the balls to cut back the budget in ways that made sense. They spend so much money on complete dogshit streaming shows that nobody ends up liking anyway.
And they put people in charge who care more about making a name for themselves and pushing agendas than in honoring the source material.
Tons of wonderful novels could be told as extended miniseries if we some studio had the balls to cut back the budget in ways that made sense. They spend so much money on complete dogshit streaming shows that nobody ends up liking anyway.
On a Dune journey. Finished Dune, Dune Messiah, and have only about 60 pages left of Children of Dune.
Even if it definitely wasn't the "best" one, Dune Messiah was the one I enjoyed reading the most. The masses who hated it were genuinely filtered. Paul being a victim of his own omnipotence was absolutely brilliant writing, best usage I've ever seen of an overpowered protagonist in literature. I can't believe he just lets his own fricking eyes get melted off.
Children of Dune is weird, borderline moronic weird. But it's also so weird it's a bit thrilling. Beginning was rough and made little sense with locations and pacing, but it's better later on. Preacher Paul is kino even if I immidiately knew it had to be him all along. Also Leto can just take fish, have them succ his arms and legs, mess with his body chemistry a little, and now they melted together to give him new super-skin? Uhh, neat. And Paul/Preacher, the guy responsible for 61 billion deaths and 90 planet sterilzations is the one to freak out about the atrocities Leto is going to commit in the future? Cool. Amazon better get that thumb out of their butts and send me my second great dune trilogy copy already, I want to read God emperor of Dune
>meant to be the end of everything
Forget nuclear annihilation of humanity and the heat-death of the universe. The one true total end of everything is Brian Herberts literarary diarrhea!
(Makes sense actually.)
>I heard Hunters and Sandworms are meant to be the end of everything, after chapterhouse. Are at least those ones worth reading?
The problem is, they are not actually "Dune book 7", even split into two - they are very much built off all those shitty non-Frank novels and the concepts they introduced.
I am sure there's interviews where they even admitted that those books weren't actually an attempt at fleshing out Franks incomplete drafts and notes, they were merely 'inspired' by them
Damn.
Well, Chapterhouse it is then. I'm a big boy, I can tolerate a cliffhanger.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not even really a cliff-hanger. The story wraps up just fine and is over. It's that the scope and impact of Chapterhouse is underwhelming compared to God Emperor or even the first novel. So you're just kinda left with this "that's the last Dune story?" feeling of being let down.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not even really a cliff-hanger. The story wraps up just fine and is over. It's that the scope and impact of Chapterhouse is underwhelming compared to God Emperor or even the first novel. So you're just kinda left with this "that's the last Dune story?" feeling of being let down.
Yeah it's not like say the end of Dunc 1 where you have Chani looking at the camera and saying "actually this is just the beginning of the story" which is an obvious non-ending
It's own story finishes, but the greater story of what's going on in he whole universe is left unconcluded.
They're pretty terrible. But they're just books and they're super easy reads. None of them take longer than a day to get through. I've read them all because I just couldn't help myself, either.
Alright maybe not "all" of them, now that I look at that picture you replied to. All of them as of like 15 years ago. Prolly they've crapped out some more shit since then.
the sandworm skin suit is actually just how they reproduce, but instead of finding a natural source of pre-spice mass, leto II has substituted his own body, which is saturated with melange and water (like a mass would be)
The horrors of leto II are not necessarily gruesome, you will understand in DUNE 4: the wormening, leto explains it to you
Keep in mind Paul was born one generation too early to be Kwisatz Haderach. He Saw what the golden path entailed but couldn't bring himself to do it because he was too "human" himself, shown via the pain box test. It was only through his male heir, the next step, that Paul could put the golden path into motion.
THAT'S Why Leto and Ghanima have super memories that made them Alia x100? Because they're the REAL super Bene Gesserit? How did I miss that?
Oh my God now I get it, the test of humanity wasn't to make sure Paul was Human. It was to make sure he WASN'T abomination, what the Bene Gesserit were terrified of. Bravo, Frank. Superb storytelling.
Best thing to come out of DUNC by far is Dunc imperium, I love the game. Soundtrack is fantastic as well. The way the new movie treats shields pisses me off to no end, Shields are the most impactful thing in the Dune Universe besides Spice
>fremen looks like he's from fresh from the covid pandemic
IT really doesn't make sense why the stillsuit doesn't cover BOTH the mouth and the face - moisture is lost during talking, surely we would like to prevent that
Or is it that: >the fremen are a people of free words
Damn, you missed the best part which is the final battle. It's hilarious, they just yell "CHAK-SA" into some megaphones and people explode and die all over the place. With a wonderfully bizarre mixture of incredibly good and incredibly bad special effects that's all around hilarious.
Dune 84' is a flawed masterpiece and completely btfo's the inferior DUNC remake. If have researched Dune 84' every two to three years since it came out. I have yet to make it 100% through a second watch of DUNC and I have tried multiple times . I usually peter out sometime before they reach the Fremen.
Also I read a lot of sci Fi but I have never read Dune.
The Dune book is REALLY good. Way better than any movie adaptation can ever be, because the book constantly intersperses political and philosophical commentary. Lynch at least attempted it with the whispers, as awkward as they are. Villenue tragically doesn't even try. Dune's plot is fine, but its real value is its interweaving of story and commentary with DUNC completely misses. Lynch is a frick-up, DUNC is something entirely different.
Also, nobody has been ballsy enough to portray a Lasgun-shield explosion on screen which makes me angry. One happened in the book and it was described as being so bright, it turned the entire night sky white for a moment.
I don't know why Lynch thought guns in Dune was a good idea, shields are an enormous factor to Dune's world building and weirding modules fricks up everything.
The shield explosion being like a nuke sounds moronic. It's one of those rare times a change in the movie does it better. The one other time I can think of is Zack getting rid of the giant squid at the end of watchmen which was the right move.
>Zack getting rid of the giant squid at the end of watchmen which was the right move.
I've explained a bazillion times on Cinemaphile why this is utterly moronic, but short version is blaming aliens turns the weapons away from the world, to a neutral threat
Blaming manhattan turns weapons towards the US, because manhattan is a US threat
The Dune novels had guns. Lasguns, maula pistols and regular old bullets. The battle after they break open the Shield Wall includes lots of gun use. That's why they put the shields up in the first place. There are specific descriptions of snipers, among other uses.
>lasgun-shield explosion on screen which makes me angry.
It's only used once in the novel, when they sabotage some Harkonnen under Rabban. I believe SciFi's version does include that explosion during the "Rabban squeeze!" montage when the Fremen are fighting back. Also SciFi channel's Messiah had the stoneburner which is same-dif.
Me and my bros saw Dune 84' in the theater and to this day we still make the weirding module sound at each other as an inside thing. The weirding modules were extremely based and memorable and I was kind of disappoint to find out they weren't in the books
The weirding modules were an approved addition by Frank Herbert. I believe it was because they didn't know how to visually represent the Weirding Way, but wanted to still have quasi-mystical combat.
The weirding modules were an approved addition by Frank Herbert. I believe it was because they didn't know how to visually represent the Weirding Way, but wanted to still have quasi-mystical combat.
We owe an apology to Lynch and his Weirding Modules after witnessing the lame way its handled in DUNC. Just looks normal people fighting at regular speed, not at all how its described in the books.
It's better than people yelling "CHAKSAA" at each other. How the frick did Jessica subdue the guy anyway if she didn't have a weirding module?
How did they even get more weirding modules if they were all shown to be destroyed in the Arakeen palace, and now the fremen have enough of them for an army?
>I don't know why Lynch thought guns in Dune was a good idea, shields are an enormous factor to Dune's world building and weirding modules fricks up everything.
This is literally the kind of lore autism that ruins mainstream scifi and fantasy like Star Wars, Star Trek and LotR, and their respective fanbases.
Literally who (other than lore autists) cares about how exactly fights are conducted? It's a minor change that benefitted the story's transfer to the visual medium of film. Because without weirding modules, you get ridiculous Power Ranger fights like the one in the vision in DUNC.
Lynch certainly didn't care for the presentation as much as he cared about telling the story, and Frank Herbert himself took no offense to that.
It's like when I tell people IRL that in the source material Captain America's shield is actually BETTER than vibranium . And is a one of a kind mix of vibranium and adamantium.
Nobody cares. They give me a look like they want to give me a pat on the head and say 'that's nice'. Because it's not really relevant in the greater scheme of things and the story.
Casting wasn't the problem with that movie. You could even make a female Liet Kynes as Earthmother focused on ecology and love of plants and nature work, if you wrote it well, directed it well, and acted it well. The problem was that in a book solely devoted to developing characters, they made a movie that developed zero.
Contemporary audiences, as well as their favourite filmmakers, are seemingly allergic to exposition.
Probably because the word exposition has received a bad reputation in certain circles (redd*t, tw*tter, y*utube) due to the whole moronic show-don't-tell dogma that the people that push it don't even understand, and their assumption that exposition must be this evil "telling".
Villeneuve is the embodiment of that kind of mentality.
It's not that there isn't enough exposition. It's that there's virtually no dialogue. No one ever talks to each other. The best parts of the novel are the character interactions as they meet and grow and their relationships to one another change and progress. In the movie, no one fricking talked to each other. They simply did not interact, ever.
>It's not that there isn't enough exposition. It's that there's virtually no dialogue.
But those go hand in hand, anon. Dialogue is the main vehicle for exposition. Sure, you can imply a lot with visuals (and Villeneuve doesn't really do that either, or rather he implies very different things from what the descriptions in the book or the visuals in other adaptations imply). But characters talking, either to others, to themselves or to the fricking audience (Shakespeare loved that last one), is way more effective. >They simply did not interact, ever.
Exactly.
Didnt read the books, didnt watch the old movie.
Only played the game and enjoyed it.
Watched the new overhyped first movie thought it was boring.
Sand worm was awesome though.
Not interested in the new movie.
I will say, the shot of Salusa Secunda with the throat singing and blood alters in DUNC was pretty awesome. Favorite part of the movie, until the Sardaukar commander spoke in the horribly fake sounding battle language that dind't even attempt to match his lip movements.
But they seem like something really difficult to adapt. How do you make a force terrifyingly strong, yet weak enough to be easily defeated by the Fremen?
Every homosexual talks about that scene, but when I watched it felt like it was 30 seconds long and its over before you can even absorb what just happens.
Is this some zoomie ADHD thing you need to enjoy that?
In the movie they definitely made it way too short, should've been at least another 40 seconds long. But I watched it on youtube a couple of times again because throat singing is pretty cool so that's probably why it stood out to me.
I mean, Dunc pretty much did it? They walk over House Atreides, Duncan could shit on them but only to the point, they just straight up get ganked by Fremen when they encounter each other but not totally, Fremen take token losses too.
Even if the costume is goofy that movie just didn't even bother trying to make the Sardaukar fearsome anyway, about all it's ever presented as is a numbers game that they massively tipped the scale on
The pasted-on explosions from the weirding way modules did NOT help the scenes at all, it was too goofy to take anything seriously. It reminded me of those TerminalMontage cartoons on Youtube where they deliberately overuse badly pasted explosion effects as a running joke.
My main memory of them is Duncan killing one by just walking up and instant stabbing it in the face, and all it was missing would be a comical reaction sound effect
Visually and tonally perfect, with a fantastic soundtrack and incredible casting. The story is possibly the most moronic adaptation of the book possible. Still better than Dunc's barebones plot and beige visuals. Sci-Fi Channel's is till the best in terms of adapting story and characters.
nah. nobody wears all-black in the piping-hot desert. black clothes are a magnet for heat
learn2 aesthetics
meh. they also stood out like sore thumbs. easy af targets for an army. not very smart
Black is boring. It's okay, we knows you like black dicks.
yeah they didn't want to make them the same shade of sand for the movie. you could kind of handwave it as future material though
>nobody wears all-black in the piping-hot desert.
Have you seen actual, IRL Jihadis lately?
they're not white tho. i expect more from an advanced dunc army vs a bunch of sand pebble brown brains
you are wrong, black hearts up quicker but it also disapates heat, white takes longer to heat up but it traps heat
thays why people in deserts where black when they are out for a long time and white for quick trips
>he doesn't have a suit that recycles his poop and pee into drinking water
stillsuits can get away with it
Those are special suits that absorb your farts, shit, piss and sweat and recycle them into water that you can drink to stay alive. Mmm delicious.
>Visually and tonally perfect
0/10 obvious troll
Baron Harkonnen alone destroys any such claim, and there are many more violations
You know I'm talking about the visuals and tone of the 84 film right? You do know this?
obviously
the baron isn't supposed to be a maniacally-laughing, pustule-covered clown, you moron
Far closer to the book version than the numbling albino in Dunc. Lynch's one is still a schemer, and a ginger.
>Far closer to the book version
nice backpedal from 'visually and tonally perfect', but still no
Good job forgetting the rest of the movie btw because the baron fits into it perfect, now stop being moronic
the baron fits in Dunc too. in both portrayals he fits the aesthetic. Lynch's bordered on cartoonish gross out, which was fine for that movie, but not in a sterile brutalist one like Dunc. its also kinda nonsensical for the Baron to be suffering from that condition in a world where the technology was worked so well. maybe in star wars where medicine is kind of ambiguous
>Visually and tonally perfect
Correct. It will remain THE iconic dune adaptation
sci fi channels is the best in terms of tone as well because of the depiction of the baron harkonnen being a luxurious gay flamboyant romanesque aristrocrat. its really a delightful depiction of a villain all around. you really believe how fricked up he is and how much he loves it, you can like understand why someone might be that way, according to his value system he thinks that he's a apex guy becuase he's as sophisticated and cultured as he is, not like the david lynch or villneuve herbert, why would someone want to be as gross as the david lynch baron or as bland as the villneueve baron.
villneueve baron, in my opinion, suffers because of the choice to make him more shadowy and in the background. you don't see much of him. In the book you kinda always looked forward to Harkkonen parts because they were deranged and wild. I think he decided to make him more like Hannibal Lector in Red Dragon, where you have more limited info but some knowledge of his menace
>fantastic soundtrack
I can't believe it was made by fricking Toto lol
But yeah awesome sountrack, even bought the vinyl at an 2nd hand record shop.
The opening track was sampled by countless psy-trance and techno producers.
you can't adapt dunes story to a movie
you can get the tone and setting right, but the book is just so densely written with tangents and philosophies and inner monologues
so the adaptations come out moronic or like you said barebones
>Sci-Fi Channel's is till the best in terms of adapting story and characters.
Agreed.
I agree with everything in this. The Sci-Fi Channel's was easily the best and the Irulan dinner party scene they added straight up feels like it belongs in the novel.
Spoken like someone who has never lived in a desert. In a dry heat black is the best way to stay cool.
the problem with the Sci-Fi channel one is that even though adding more of the book makes the post-Liet part of the story feel better-paced, there's no fixing the moronic fight scene at the end (that makes no sense in the book), or the fact that Paul is comically OP. definitely the best Irulan though.
Lynch's Dune is the best adaptation just because it skips over the parts of the book which are moronic and make no sense.
>Paul is comically OP
That's the weirdest fricking complaint of Dune I've ever heard.
Yes: Paul is OP. That's literally the point behind the entire series of novels. He's the Mahdi. A god incarnate.
>He's the Mahdi. A god incarnate.
yeah, and that's unfilmable and never will be made filmable. so trying to adapt it doesn't work.
Sci-Fi channel did film it. They did a good job. The only criticism you even offered was "Paul is OP." The fights are choreographed in all the adaptations and you can watch them. Are you having difficulty following them for some reason? Why?
its a dramatic problem. a fight scene where one side can't lose can't be suspenseful. a fight scene the Navigator's guild wouldn't let happen because of the possibility that Paul might lose and the Fremen might destroy the spice shouldn't have been included by Herbert in the original story... but he was a mediocre hack and wanted a sword fight.
you've picked out the one part of what I said you feel confident justifying. Dune is not a particularly well-thought-out book and neither is the setting. Lynch's version does the best job of hiding its many problems.
>a fight scene the Navigator's guild wouldn't let happen
You are very logically thinking here, but wouldn't the presence of both Alia and Paul hide it *very well*?
Paul has no reason to fight Feyd because he's already won. he has no reason to hide that he can destroy the spice because that's the basis of his power "the ability to destroy a thing is power over it".
>the final fight scene isn't meant to be suspenseful!
you're too invested in the story to recognize when a bad decision by the writer (this is fiction) is bad.
Herbert didn't know he was writing a hit, he was some guy who wrote a book and got it published. hence it having all kinds of problems both in the backstory, the main narrative and in Frank's execution of the ideas he later claimed he always wanted to be "the point" as part of justifying what he did.
but in internet discussions fans of books always think longer = better. wrong & not an argument.
>Paul has no reason to fight Feyd because he's already won.
That's nonsense. Paul has lots of reasons to fight Feyd:
A. Paul hates Feyd and wants to stab him and has been taught to hate him since birth
B. Feyd invoked kanley and Paul has been taught since birth to follow it
C. Paul has made himself emperor and wants to demonstrate his personal power to the assemblage in that room
>he has no reason to hide that he can destroy the spice because that's the basis of his power "the ability to destroy a thing is power over it".
You're just not understanding. Paul doesn't "hide" things from the Spacing Guild. The Spacing Guild is not capable of seeing past decisions Paul has not made. His threat is earnest: he will destroy the spice if he is not obeyed. Therefore the Spacing Guild cannot see past that decision point and cannot tell that Paul is going to threaten to do it.
These things are explained in the novels. I think you might simply be dumb.
>you're too invested in the story to recognize when a bad decision by the writer
I think you're too obsessed with attacking Frank Herbert to think through the stupid things you're saying. Heroes win the one-on-one duel with the big bad at the end of stories. Yes: it's true in Dune. And every other story ever. So what are you whining about?
Nta but I liked the fight.
It's also a symbolic union of the two characters who would have been lovers if the BG had their way and Paul was born "Paulina"
You're becoming nonsensical. The Spacing Guild didn't know Paul could destroy the spice until the scene ends with the fight. They had no power to prevent it.
Previously you said the fights make no sense. They do. Feyd is a self-absorbed narcissist who doesn't understand what Paul is so challenges him. Is it suspenseful? I dunno. Is the climactic one on one duel ever suspenseful? Guess what: the hero wins. Did I just spoil the suspense of literally every story ever, for you?
>that's unfilmable
Showing a person's inner struggles isn't impossible, it's just hard
>Lynch's Dune is the best adaptation just because it skips over the parts of the book which are moronic and make no sense.
Spoken like a midwit who cant handle kino
>Dune's fight scene at the end makes everything the worst
You realize, even in the book, it's a TINY couple of pages and meant to last juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust long enough for a nuclear bomb to go off. Not a war.
It's fantastic. And I don't care the Hopper CGI wasn't 300 million dollars of budget from the 90s.
heard there was a special a special reason why all this has happened that no one can understand
I don't think we've heard the last from anyone even REMOTELY involved in all of this
that's not just my instinct, but also what a lot of people might be saying
Why what happened? The messed-up post production? That's quite easy to understand. Several people have talked about it that were involved, mainly Lynch (as much as he hates to talk about it) and DiLaurentiis.
this scene alone is more captivating than 95% of Dunc pt1
It simultaneously drags on and cuts too quickly between different events.
You're talking about Dunc. This thread is discussing DUNE.
Dunc doesn't do either of those things though. no scene is too long. i know you contrarian homosexuals will hate whatever the latest hit is, but it keeps a good pace. i do think a lot of you watched this on your computer with shitty sound though and that has tarnished a lot of it for you, since the sound conveyed scope so well.
>Dunc doesn't do either of those things though. no scene is too long. i know you contrarian homosexuals will hate whatever the latest hit is, but it keeps a good pace. i do think a lot of you watched this on your computer with shitty sound though and that has tarnished a lot of it for you, since the sound conveyed scope so well.
I turned it off partway through because it was holding on to useless scenery chewing scenes too long. Dunc is one of the most boring pedestrian movies ever made in what should be a strange and beautiful setting. Dunc is 100% trash.
Don't try to argue with terminal DUNCtards, anon.
Just laugh at them.
I said what I said.
>homies just walking around on the sand
>during the day
what even
its bad but has a really good aesthetic. faithfully recreated sets and props with some interesting Lynch weirdness. Ruins a lot of themes and messages and Kyle was too old for the role, really not a good fit. Sound guns are pretty moronic too, but its usually interesting throughout. did you watch the full cut or the long one though? theatrical kinda sucks imo
that's how it must be done
>What did I think of it?
that the new movies aren't very good
Anyone and everyone should only be watching the spice diver edit, which is so good it has now been put on various editions of blu ray releases. Available for free on youtube. I didn't go watch this in the theater the last two days because it was the gay original version.
Does it still have the atredies battle pug tho?
Of course
>the spice...the spice melange????
FAAAAAAAAAAATHAAAAAAAAA ZEY SLEEPER HATH AWOKEN!!!
It's good until they hit the point where Paul and Jessica are in the desert and it turns into a fast forward clip show. Would have been neat to see this as a 2 parter instead of shoved into one movie.
we deserved the lynch cut, he submitted 3.5 hours of footage and it was considered too long meanwhile DUNC is going to need 3 parts and take like 9 hours to cover the same story.
in terms of aesthetic it will never be matched. you can't have that many white people in a movie anymore.
they showed us the lynch cut though. its better but not because of story, there's just more to look at. they showed it on tv.
The TV edit is not Lynch's extended cut, hence why he removed his name from it
Baron harkonnen was still the same evil gay in dune, he just wasn't as flamboyant
Besides that he felt more like a villain in the movie
i read that they specifically toned down the gay side of the baron harkonnen in DUNC becuase they didn't want to offend anyone, so fricking gay, probably why they avoid having arabs play fremen.
i'm literally a homosexual and i think that its cool to have a gay super villain. minorities don't need to only be flawless super heros in fiction.
They "toned him down" because Villeneuve is a hack who doesn't understand how character writing works.
DUNC is such a slop, my god. Way to totally miss the fricking point of the story, Villememe
Oh, you've seen nothing yet. Part 2 literally omits Alia from the story.
I don't blame the actor. It's the director's job to communicate things like character motivation and backstory if the script doesn't. Especially if the director is the one who wrote the script.
...if that is so, I can't believe how bad Villeneuve fricked up! But seeing the product, I probably can...
>Part 2 literally omits Alia from the story
Ayy lmao... I don't think this is true though
She is a talking fetus instead
>I don't think this is true though
It is. She appears in a vision, as a 30-year-old, played by Anya Taylor Joy. And that's it.
The baron gets killed by Timofee Charmander.
And Zendaya apparently doesn't trust of believe Paul at all, while also getting jealous of Pugh in the end or something along the lines.
Oh, and spoilers. Not going to bother marking all of this shit.
Well that's fricking moronic
this is so incredibly unprofessional
for an actor to say it
and if it's true, for the director to direct it
Villeneuve approaches everything with mass audiences in mind. Every decision he makes is based on what he thinks will be most palatable to normalgays. The baron being a disgustingly fat gay pedophile would weird out the people in the theater so he makes him a evil monster man cloaked in the shadows.
>Villeneuve approaches everything with mass audiences in mind.
if that were the case his movies wouldn't be sleep-inducing bilge. the Lynch Dune is slow but its still far more well-paced than Dunc1 or BR2049
>if that were the case his movies wouldn't be sleep-inducing bilge.
Nah, I agree with the other anon. Villeneuve clearly wants to cater to the lowest common denominator.
That he fails to do so is an issue of talent (or rather a lack thereof), not one of intent.
As a fat, gay guy I’m more offended that they removed my ridiculous pedo spirit animal from the movie.
The sleeper has awakened!
And yeah, what this anon says is pretty accurate
Dude basically goes from drinking the water of life to confronting the Emperor in about 15 minutes
That's exactly how it plays out in the book as well. It's just a slide show of things being told to the reader with no first hand account.
Dune should be a two season miniseries, ten episodes each. Trying to cram that entire book into even a three hour movie, or a two parter, is just moronic.
Chani a cute!
that is Rachel, actually.
Current chani isn't?
>Chani with her kids
>pic related
>here's this hottie I've been talking about
>*smacks lips* mmm mmmm
Frick that potato masher
Tell me of your home world, Usul
That's a dude.
>That's a dude.
*a dune.
you're this type of guy who takes a worm for a dick i bet
Is that Butlerian Jihad ?
more like a BG powerfull and irresistible sorcery
Looks so kino
I wish we could Butlerian Jihad irl
If the AI gays are allowed to progress much further, especially in image generation, we might have to.
The one upgrade vs. DUNC.
Much better than the neanderthal boy that is playing Chani in the new movie.
Literally /ourgal/
It depends, was it Spicediver's Alternative Edition Redux chadedit? If so you though it was superkino.
You watched the Spicediver edit and rightfully considered it to be a flawed sci-fi masterpiece.
You thought that Lynch has an obvious crush on Coop, as he's not that good at acting, but yet he keeps hiring him
Reminder that stillsuits are actually silver
Friendly reminder that Lynch's script for Messiah of Dune was found, and this guy (Baron's doctor) was supposed to be Scytale all along. Wasted kino.
I like Dune 84, but did you all ever stop to think that the Dune story is just outdated? Unless the nu-Dune producers took a wildly different direction (pissing off fan boys and their pocket books), its always going to boil down to the same old tired story.
Everyone is so hungry for it to the next great saga, but it was surpassed in its most basic form by the 70s.
If studios had balls and actually wanted to make something great they would switch to longform series.
who surpassed it?
Hyperion cantos was pretty gud
>eternal palestianian refugees
>israelite planet
>Hyperion cantos was pretty gud
hell no.
In terms of popular appeal? Star Wars.
In terms of literally appeal? Any number of scifi series.
The sad thing is Dune doesn't even have a lot of competition in the space opera film subgenre. Perhaps it could revive spaces operas like LOTR revived sword & sorcery, but the story has already been done to death.
Dune's story hasn't really been done to death. A neat and nuanced pseudo-mystical subversion of the chosen one story abut the dangers of charismatic leaders and stagnation? And LOTR, the film series, killed fantasy cinema, and it mostly put sword & sorcery to death. LOTR is epic fantasy, in scale and stakes. I'd kill for actual low scale, personal stakes sword & sorcery to return.
>Dune's story hasn't really been done to death. A neat and nuanced pseudo-mystical subversion of the chosen one story abut the dangers of charismatic leaders and stagnation?
literally game of thrones dude
no.. not at all the same.
its not time travel juice, it makes your cognitive ability perfect so you can see every variable. its like what would happen if you introduced 'x' and you can see all the variables that introduces
I was hoping for you to correct something else but ok...
i don't really think Star wars has many similarities besides some set peices
I just don't think the story has been done to death. Star Wars is a pretty poor example. there's some 'mysticism' but its really not playing the same role in Dune, its not magic. Star wars is much more sword & sorcery. even the political allegories are focused differently. They both have some old world backdrops, but Dune's is feudal, so even that isn't similar. maybe someone made to be a prophecy is something but even how that is set up is completely different
Thats why i said popular appeal. we arent talking about the quality of Dune here, only its marketing potential. No one is going to give a shit about these Dune movies in a few years.
Hyperion is better, at least on the sci-fi aspect.
Xeelee Sequence is peak sci-fi. So good I hope its never put on the inferior medium of film.
>its always going to boil down to the same old tired story
The problem is the completely story ONLY exists in the book and every attempt to adapt it has completely and utterly failed to convey any of the nuance or interesting ideas or themes. Three times now the ecological, charismatic, and neo-medieval content of the book has been completely thrown aside in favour of magic and weird shit with none of the substance or comprehension of the story.
It's not even that difficult to tell the story, but the interesting bits in it are all culturally taboo. Dennis Vilenew can't even mention jihad when talking about the Fremen. That's the least controversial thing to get worried about.
Yeah the first act drags on forever and there’s zero tension because we already know dr yueh is the traitor from the start then when we get to the final act Paul basically just pulls a nuke out of his ass and blows up the shield wall so he can win in 5 minutes and get the story over with. The saudakar job for the entire story and never become anything more than faceless goons for the fremen to punch. Dune 1984 worked because it leaned heavily on giving audiences a big spectacle and unique visuals which let you ignore the mediocre story.
Compare it to something like Lawrence of Arabia which never got boring despite being 3 hours long. The first act is just him walking through the desert but there’s the whole rescue of that one guy that’s great stuff.
>we already know dr yueh is the traitor from the start
It's the same in the book but there it lends a kind of impending doom feeling, and people who know there's a traitor begin suspecting each other
Dune is an over ambitious and incomplete story
>Dune is an over ambitious and incomplete story
I watched an hour long video synopsis of the Butlerian Jihad and it was really lame. Like UNIRONICALLY low level marvel tier. It doesn't fit with what I have seen of the rest of the lore at all. Its ripe to be completely retconned and re done by a superior writer. It's honestly a glaring hole in the realism and believability of the deeper lore of the universe.
What you watched was a synopsis of one of the novels co-authored by Frank Herbert's hack of a son. I don't think even he considers his novels to be canonical.
>I watched an hour long video synopsis of the Butlerian Jihad and it was really lame.
Because the Butlerian Jihad is a story that REALLY did not need to be told. It's there to provide a bit of history, and to explain why computers aren't used, hence why spice is so important. It wasn't meant to be an unltra-detailed part of the story.
Compare it to Obi-Wan mentioning the "Clone Wars" to Luke in the first Star Wars. No one even knew what the "Clone Wars" were about, or why they were named that, let alone any details. All that mattered was that Obi-Wan and Anakin Skywalker had fought in them. And that was okay. Then Lucas made the prequels and suddenly he had to come up with some stupid explanation for clones. And the supplementary authors did the rest. And it was terrible. Maybe not as terrible as Brian's Butlerian Jihad, but terribe nonetheless.
>the Butlerian Jihad is a story that REALLY did not need to be told
I don't really agree with this. if it's a living breathing universe in terms of world building then something so significant to the setting is worth being told but only IF it can be told competently.
Also as long as it's not supposed to be a mystery. Like the dark age of technology in 40k. On the other hand the Clone Wars weren't supposed to be a mystery. So it was definitely worth telling.
>something so significant to the setting is worth being told
What makes stories worth being told is the meaning they have. Their themes, messages, or at least an emotional connection you can make to their subject matter.
Being an important part of the setting doesn't imply any of those things. So, sure, if you have a great idea for a story that can hold its own, set during the Butlerian Jihad, go ahead and tell it. But don't just fill in lore details for the sake of it. That never makes for a good story.
So even if Brian Herbert was a competent writer, he'd need something to tell other than (fictional) historical facts.
This is stupid. If the world doesn't feel bigger than the stories you tell in it, then it isn't a living, breathing universe. So if you explored all of them without writing more you didn't explore, you'd no longer be building a good world.
>I watched an hour long video synopsis of the Butlerian Jihad and it was really lame.
link?
It was a while ago. Months or a year. It had quite a bit of Babylon 5 level CGI in it even though it seemed fairly new.
Interesting but the book is better
>no pustules floating screaming baron
>no weird scream activated cameras that shoot lasers
>no bald bene gesserit
>no captain Picard holding a pug in the middle of a battle
Your name is a killing word
>homosexual
> It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains. The stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion
Just saw it for the first time on Sunday in the theater, it was surprisingly kino.
Did this movie even explain what a mentat was?
i don't think so, just the same kind of "here are your calculations" that dunc did, but with more characterization
t. big mentat fan
The extended edition has a whole prologue mentioning them
oh sweet i'm gonna have to check that out
I don’t think so. I never read the novel but I saw DUNC so I knew it what was going on though. Lynch relied pretty heavily on the voiceovers to explain what was going on but even then I can see how audiences at the time found the plot so baffling
Right at the beginning when there's a graphic showing the different planets and who comes from them, it's right after the credits.
The doctor specifically says that the Baron's skin diseases are deliberately induced for aesthetic purposes
Making the Baron a disgusting, openly lecherous pederast was bold. Loved the Lynch cameo as well. I heard someone snoring loudly in the theater when I watched it
I just saw it in theaters and my entire life I’ve missed the line after Baron Harkonnen spits on Jessica’s face and says
>what a luxury
Best baron IMO
that part is so hilarious. I have a friend who slept through watching almost the whole thing a few years ago but he still references that scene
>FAATHAR!
>THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED!
brians worst track
Ebin bait
So uhm, what was the deal with the cat taped to a rat in a south park sniffing box?
i wonder if lynch ever had a private screening of Showgirls (1995). the movie did give off some lynchian vibes. wouldn't surprise me if it influenced lynch to write and direct mulholland dr as a low-key sequel to Showgirls
Picrel was also in Mulholland Drive for a short scene with one of the dirtbag criminals in front of Pink’s
>google something about Dune
>first result is something about orgies
Any webms about this?
>Leto and Ghanima were allowed in the orgies because they had incredibly sophisticated minds
>there were Fremen in the orgies that weren't aware of that and didn't object to their presence
>that weren't aware of that
lol, all Fremen would know those children are speshul
I wonder how many sandworms little Leto sucked on.
Isn't it insane that this is somehow the best piece of Dune media? I sure think so
not really. frank was a coomer and probably had a heart attack jerking off to fantasies of space prostitutes claiming mens wieners with their vegana magic.
you're moronic, because that porn parody game by Balsamique is based on Dune 2 by Cryo Interactive (1992), which itself is based on Lynch's adaptation.
Dune 2 was based on all Dune sources. The ordos, for instance, are from the encyclopedia. It was not strictly based on the Lynch film. It just grabbed everything there was to grab.
>It just grabbed everything there was to grab.
Everything except deez nutz
I saw this in the cinema when it was released originally. It was awe -inspiring. I had read all the books by the time of the film, so was disappointed the story got butchered but i still left happy with the cinematic experience.
did they give you the little pamphlets to read?
no nothing like that. just watched the whole thing right through. biiiig screen though and the desert scenes were great! the Harkonnens were creepy AF especially with their Sqood and heart plugs.
haven't seen the new one yet, is it like updated to the new cultural norms?
this board hates it, but I really like the new one. I think they are just being the contrarians they usually are. I would definitely say you watch it loud though. it loses some of Lynch's aesthetic for a brutalist preference, but the sound design is incredible. it also makes some interesting choices for more 'unfilmable' scenes, that i think work only for people who read the book. like the assassination drone reacting to thoughts, Lynch's had a dilemma in how to pull that off, and paul having a monologue was pretty contradictory, so they just don't explain it in the new one, if you read it, you know he's trying not to think. if you didn't, tough luck.
as for cultural norms, everything is the same. the fremen tend to be (not always) more brown but thats the way the book was anyways. I also think it really did the Bene Gesserits very well, made them scary
I liked watching DUNC in the cinema and I'll go to see part 2, but I think a lot of the criticisms are valid and it feels more like a sidegrade to Dune 84 rather than the upgrade you'd hope it'd be.
i really think it depends what you're looking for in an adaptation. outside of a high budget series sacrifices are going to be made. i just think people are way too hard on it
the BG were scary in Lynch's - that might be a generational thing!
i have seen the original releases of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the original Star Trek movie, 1984, so on. the only film that was more impressive than Dune in its scope *(when it was released) for me was The Matrix.
i have never seen any star wars movie. proud of that.
Lynch's Dune is a visual buffett, so just don't go in expecting that. the new one does the story better. The characters are closer to the books which means they aren't sort of displaying to the audience what they are as much. even if you wind up not liking it, it isn't bad, although part 2 i guess makes the difference, since part one is.. well, part one of dune.
Did you see Roger Rabbit in theaters?
only the second one with hoskins, took my little cousin.
yeah ill bear all that in mind and go find a showing to see it in the cinema. thanks!
actually think im confused with the bugs bunny movie? which one had 2 movies? muh memory isnt always accurate lol
Who Framed Roger Rabbit had only one movie, with Hoskins. I just wondered because of your timeframe, i think it would have been fun to see in theaters.
cant really remember it ! actually went to see mona lisa with my mom, now that was a great film
>the new one does the story better. The characters are closer to the books
is that why liet kynes is a black woman?
>i have never seen any star wars movie. proud of that
that's stupid.
Went to watch it. It was only another fat guy and me, a fat guy, in the entire theather
Were you both in your floating fat guy suits?
Miles better than Nu dunc
WHOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAA IT WAS JUST LIKE DUNE 2 VIDEO GAME
always play atreides hehee
Enjoyed the Spicediver cut, fights looked too one-sided in general though. By the time you get to the raid against Shaddam IV, you know there’s not gonna be any back and forth, surges and whatnot. David Lynch really needed a fight choreographer too
Lots of Villeneuve fanboys in this thread, I see.
It's going to be interesting when DUNC2 comes out and they'll bend backwards to defend Alia not even being in it while still shaming Lynch over weirding modules.
it starts off fine but turns into a mess
Is it just me or Dune seems kind of lame?
>so yeah, there's this one planet in the entire universe where some worms shit out time travel juice
>yeah we just found it one day when we were drunk and crashed on the planet
>we saw these giant ass worms and we were like "dudeeeeee imagine eating their shit lmao"
It just sounds dumb.
>we saw these giant ass worms and we were like "dudeeeeee imagine eating their shit lmao"
That's not how it works. Spice is a (mostly) subterrean resource. There's no way that the connection to worms would have been made when they first discovered it.
As for its psychedelic and mind-expanding effects: How do you think people found out what magic mushrooms do? People used to eat random stuff they found. And if something was too hard to eat as is, they grated it and used it as ... spice, ironically. Guess that solves where that name came from.
Eating something familiar from the nearby forest seems more realistic than traveling the universe to find some desert planet, dig a hole on it despite the giant worms trying to eat you for the lulz, and then just slurp whatever was in that hole for clout or something, even the dumbest tiktoker would think it twice.
You're massively over-/underestimating people's tendency to just consume random stuff.
guys
You thought it was an audacious undertaking with inspired casting choices. The set designs and imagery invoking Escher and Geiger, it really is an under appreciated gem if only because it crafted a world that only Lynch could stitch together.
my favorite part in the lynch dune is when paul blasts feyd's corpse for no good reason, apparently even destroying his soul or some shit, and stilgar says "muad'dib" like what the hell bro
LOOOONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS
The only problem with Lynch's Dune was they tried to cram Dune into 2 hours so they fricked up the story and relied extensively on info dumps. DUNC took all the wrong lessons from it and stripped out all uniqueness and weirdness which were the redeeming features of Lynch's adaption and Dune in general, and made it soulless and bland. I don't even hate DUNC but it could have been better
>relied extensively on info dumps.
The book itself relied even more on info dumps. Or what would you call the chapter intros?
it's like autismo: le book
perhaps thats why i like it
I loved the info dumps. You morons are way too sensitive about that shit. Not everything can be shown not told and they're far worse for trying.
based freddie jones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAcPoWeq5f8
What a great sequence. Shame it was cut.
Why the frick did they make the antidote milk from a hairless cat. What a weird change.
You thought it made more sense than the rest of his low effort, redditbait filmography.
they lack budget in the battle for arrakis but everything else is perfect.
I love the big blocky square shield CGI. They look just moronic enough to match the concept of
>you have to slow down your attack to penetrate the shield
>but 99% of the fight is at normal speed, the combat "technique" is to slow down right before a hit
>CGI.
Not CGI, moron.
Why are you DUNCtard this fricking moronic all the time?
Huh, they're actually rotoscoped. I had no idea, neat.
kino of the highest order
>the weirding modules are not canon
Huh, that's a weird one, seemed like a good concept to give a fighting chance to a bunch of cavemen going against ultrafuturistic interstellar forces, like, dude, how you lose that.
everyone uses knives and swords because shooting a shield with lasguns causes an atomic explosion at both ends of the laser, killing both the shield user and the lasgun user and anyone around them, so ground troops cant use either in ordinary combat with out risking MAD
it is specifically stated in the books that the average fremen is better with a knife than most sardaukar, they dont need le ebin word weapon because they are stronger and also more numerous
the reason why they dont own the planet already is that they value their fredom and their secrecy, without these they would be nuked from orbit by every house in the galaxy, it is pauls intervention and threat to the spice that allows them to come out openly
>the reason why they dont own the planet already is that they value their fredom and their secrecy
Well, kinda. The reason the Fremen didn't control Arrakis is because the Spacing Guild didn't want them to. The Spacing Guild wanted the competition between the houses to ensure large quantities of spice production, but kept the Fremens' secrets and allowed the smugglers as insurance. The Spacing Guild had the production quotas from whoever controlled the fief of Arrakis. They then had the Fremen and Smuggler bribes as insurance against failure by whoever controlled the fief. And then they had their stockpiles as insurance against that. And they had the Empire as insurance against conflict. The Spacing Guild was the threat to the Fremen, and the deal they offered the Fremen was simple: you can't be in control, but you can be alive if you bribe us enough. Kynes' plan was to set up the Fremen as an independent power right under the Guild's nose. The Missionaria Protectiva was also well-aware that the Fremen were so numerous but, assumedly, only those super high-up the chain were let in on the secret.
the fremen would be invaded by every house in the galaxy if they did what paul did without threatening the spice, no one on the planet would be willing to destroy the spice (and by extension the worms) forever, it would be the complete destruction of their lifestyle, the return to being a persecuted race of nomads constantly being genocided, and the death of their god shai-halud
it is only possible because paul becomes a deity figure, is capable of prescience, and is willing to threaten that lifestyle
the spacing guild protects the fremen from the great houses and the emperor, they do not have the means or the authority to prevent a total fremen uprising themselves
Ok just 'cuz what's more fun than quibbling about obscure aspects of Dune lore:
>the spacing guild protects the fremen from the great houses and the emperor, they do not have the means or the authority to prevent a total fremen uprising themselves
You've got that backwards. The Spacing Guild is the Empire and is the threat to the Fremen, as well as their protection. The Guild extorts them just like a mob protection racket. The rest of the Empire only exists because the Guild allows it, and the whole thing is doing the Guild's bidding except, to some extent, Ix and the Bene Gesserit. But even they are only rebelling to the degree that the Spacing Guild is allowing them to. No one in the Empire can travel between planets or do anything except that the Guild lets them. No one can attack the Fremen except that the Guild takes their armies to Arrakis. But yes: it's only Paul's willingness to destroy the spice that ultimately protects him from, and gives him the upper hand over, the Guild.
Every aspect of the galactic system is in a balance of power, the guild has no capacity to enforce rulings on any planet because they have no military capacity and the emperor would not allow them to create one. Instead they rely on great houses to administer planets and their populations, the emperor to keep those houses in check, and chaom to facilitate the necessity of their actions.
They cant just control arrakis themselves or bargain with another to control arrakis between themselves, because then other actors in the system may decide to set up rival spacing guilds based on private stockpiles and then compete with them (using their militaries) over arrakis. Messing with the system only gives them the chance to lose everything. The point of the setting is that the galactic system is stagnant and nobody can make any real progress, that includes the guild.
Pic related
>Every aspect of the galactic system is in a balance of power
Intentionally set up that way by the Guild. Which is openly stated in Dune. Paul speculates:
>then other actors in the system may decide to set up rival spacing guilds
Exactly that. The Guild is in a position of power to manipulate all actors, and they believe that they do literally control the whole universe. They choose to do it indirectly. The Guild is capable of ruling everything. They choose to exert control through manipulation.
Real dune fans know that the syfy series is the best and this slop was Lynchs attempt at making his weird star wars knock off with no respect to the source material and villeneuve just want everyone to praise his le epic reddit visuals and Hollywood celeb cameos
>Real dune fans know that the syfy series is the best
No one with more than half a braincell thinks this. The SYFY series is atrocious in many respects.
It is the most accurate adaptation and actually follows the book compared to the disaster that is Lynchs Dune and Villeneuves bland perfume commercial
>It is the most accurate adaptation
Which means nothing because it absolutely fails at almost everything else.
>Villeneuves bland perfume commercial
Perfume commercials are the exact opposive of DUNC, anon. They're usually visually stimulating.
Fricking signed!
The Sci-Fi miniseries may have had low budget 90s CGI and obvious backdrops in some scenes, but the fidelity to the story was better, the costumes were better, the sets more visually interesting, the acting was better, the music was better...
And breasts.
It certainly beat Lynch's demented fan fiction, or Villneueve's bowl of oatmeal.
lol, he's quite the drama queen.
And they put people in charge who care more about making a name for themselves and pushing agendas than in honoring the source material.
Tons of wonderful novels could be told as extended miniseries if we some studio had the balls to cut back the budget in ways that made sense. They spend so much money on complete dogshit streaming shows that nobody ends up liking anyway.
You were extremely confused because you never read the book so had a hard time understanding what was going on and why
allow me to dust off this classic
I still to this day say "mua-deeb-uh"
kyool.
Even with all it's flaws, it's Dune. NOT DUNC: BLACKED EDITION
You thought that it had soul
>t. never read the book
Villeneuvetard detected.
Also, Part 3 is not even greenlit yet. There might not be one.
On a Dune journey. Finished Dune, Dune Messiah, and have only about 60 pages left of Children of Dune.
Even if it definitely wasn't the "best" one, Dune Messiah was the one I enjoyed reading the most. The masses who hated it were genuinely filtered. Paul being a victim of his own omnipotence was absolutely brilliant writing, best usage I've ever seen of an overpowered protagonist in literature. I can't believe he just lets his own fricking eyes get melted off.
Children of Dune is weird, borderline moronic weird. But it's also so weird it's a bit thrilling. Beginning was rough and made little sense with locations and pacing, but it's better later on. Preacher Paul is kino even if I immidiately knew it had to be him all along. Also Leto can just take fish, have them succ his arms and legs, mess with his body chemistry a little, and now they melted together to give him new super-skin? Uhh, neat. And Paul/Preacher, the guy responsible for 61 billion deaths and 90 planet sterilzations is the one to freak out about the atrocities Leto is going to commit in the future? Cool. Amazon better get that thumb out of their butts and send me my second great dune trilogy copy already, I want to read God emperor of Dune
When you’re done with God Emperor… stop. There’s nothing remaining that doesn’t interfere with the perfect ending of that bizarre opera in book form.
I heard Hunters and Sandworms are meant to be the end of everything, after chapterhouse. Are at least those ones worth reading?
>meant to be the end of everything
Forget nuclear annihilation of humanity and the heat-death of the universe. The one true total end of everything is Brian Herberts literarary diarrhea!
(Makes sense actually.)
>I heard Hunters and Sandworms are meant to be the end of everything, after chapterhouse. Are at least those ones worth reading?
The problem is, they are not actually "Dune book 7", even split into two - they are very much built off all those shitty non-Frank novels and the concepts they introduced.
I am sure there's interviews where they even admitted that those books weren't actually an attempt at fleshing out Franks incomplete drafts and notes, they were merely 'inspired' by them
Damn.
Well, Chapterhouse it is then. I'm a big boy, I can tolerate a cliffhanger.
It's not even really a cliff-hanger. The story wraps up just fine and is over. It's that the scope and impact of Chapterhouse is underwhelming compared to God Emperor or even the first novel. So you're just kinda left with this "that's the last Dune story?" feeling of being let down.
Yeah it's not like say the end of Dunc 1 where you have Chani looking at the camera and saying "actually this is just the beginning of the story" which is an obvious non-ending
It's own story finishes, but the greater story of what's going on in he whole universe is left unconcluded.
I’m very upset with myself that I’ll probably read the Brian books eventually. Then I’ll kill myself right after.
They're pretty terrible. But they're just books and they're super easy reads. None of them take longer than a day to get through. I've read them all because I just couldn't help myself, either.
Alright maybe not "all" of them, now that I look at that picture you replied to. All of them as of like 15 years ago. Prolly they've crapped out some more shit since then.
I liked how Brian fleshed out the other planets in the setting.
If you're going to have a nice day anyway, why not do it before reading Brian's excrements and spare yourself the suffering?
Kanly first, then chaumurky.
what happens at the end of chapterhouse
i don't remember
They save the israelites.
No, seriously: that's what happens at the end of the novel.
If you're wondering:
>should I read...
The answer is always "sure, read a book."
>tfw
the sandworm skin suit is actually just how they reproduce, but instead of finding a natural source of pre-spice mass, leto II has substituted his own body, which is saturated with melange and water (like a mass would be)
The horrors of leto II are not necessarily gruesome, you will understand in DUNE 4: the wormening, leto explains it to you
Keep in mind Paul was born one generation too early to be Kwisatz Haderach. He Saw what the golden path entailed but couldn't bring himself to do it because he was too "human" himself, shown via the pain box test. It was only through his male heir, the next step, that Paul could put the golden path into motion.
THAT'S Why Leto and Ghanima have super memories that made them Alia x100? Because they're the REAL super Bene Gesserit? How did I miss that?
Oh my God now I get it, the test of humanity wasn't to make sure Paul was Human. It was to make sure he WASN'T abomination, what the Bene Gesserit were terrified of. Bravo, Frank. Superb storytelling.
Alia was the inevitable. The reject, Lego II was the true KH
Best thing to come out of DUNC by far is Dunc imperium, I love the game. Soundtrack is fantastic as well. The way the new movie treats shields pisses me off to no end, Shields are the most impactful thing in the Dune Universe besides Spice
Based Dune boardgamer
>fremen looks like he's from fresh from the covid pandemic
IT really doesn't make sense why the stillsuit doesn't cover BOTH the mouth and the face - moisture is lost during talking, surely we would like to prevent that
Or is it that:
>the fremen are a people of free words
>free
*few
Stillsuits do include face masks. They usually aren't worn unless a Fremen is in the open desert and movies omit them because you know: movies.
What the frick, that's a billion times cooler than the horrendously ugly 2019 version of DUNE. It's a fun game, but UNBELIEVABLY hideous
>playing dunc imperium
>listening to the 1984 soundtrack
do you guys ever get erections?
What are you even talking about? I bless my maker and his coming every day. May its passage cleanse the world.
these worms looked the best
>shai-hulud was a giant dick all along
Herbert is a hack
is this song related to DUNC and why is in in a video game?
The title is taken from Dune. The song is dog shit.
>no obnoxious incessant droning OOOOOMPH
>no throat singing
>no bagpipes
>is this song related to DUNC
It quite obviously isn't.
Joy at watching the only true cinematic adaption of Frank Herbert's Dune novel.
test
Frick your weirding modules
how the frick would I know what you thought of it
The best bad movie I've ever seen.
that img AI?
I couldn’t even finish it and I always have to finish movies/books I start.
Damn, you missed the best part which is the final battle. It's hilarious, they just yell "CHAK-SA" into some megaphones and people explode and die all over the place. With a wonderfully bizarre mixture of incredibly good and incredibly bad special effects that's all around hilarious.
Dune 84' is a flawed masterpiece and completely btfo's the inferior DUNC remake. If have researched Dune 84' every two to three years since it came out. I have yet to make it 100% through a second watch of DUNC and I have tried multiple times . I usually peter out sometime before they reach the Fremen.
Also I read a lot of sci Fi but I have never read Dune.
>researched
Rewatched
>Also I read a lot of sci Fi but I have never read Dune.
You should. It's a pretty easy read. If you read a lot it's one, maybe two days to finish.
The Dune book is REALLY good. Way better than any movie adaptation can ever be, because the book constantly intersperses political and philosophical commentary. Lynch at least attempted it with the whispers, as awkward as they are. Villenue tragically doesn't even try. Dune's plot is fine, but its real value is its interweaving of story and commentary with DUNC completely misses. Lynch is a frick-up, DUNC is something entirely different.
Also, nobody has been ballsy enough to portray a Lasgun-shield explosion on screen which makes me angry. One happened in the book and it was described as being so bright, it turned the entire night sky white for a moment.
I don't know why Lynch thought guns in Dune was a good idea, shields are an enormous factor to Dune's world building and weirding modules fricks up everything.
The shield explosion being like a nuke sounds moronic. It's one of those rare times a change in the movie does it better. The one other time I can think of is Zack getting rid of the giant squid at the end of watchmen which was the right move.
>Zack getting rid of the giant squid at the end of watchmen which was the right move.
I've explained a bazillion times on Cinemaphile why this is utterly moronic, but short version is blaming aliens turns the weapons away from the world, to a neutral threat
Blaming manhattan turns weapons towards the US, because manhattan is a US threat
The Dune novels had guns. Lasguns, maula pistols and regular old bullets. The battle after they break open the Shield Wall includes lots of gun use. That's why they put the shields up in the first place. There are specific descriptions of snipers, among other uses.
>lasgun-shield explosion on screen which makes me angry.
It's only used once in the novel, when they sabotage some Harkonnen under Rabban. I believe SciFi's version does include that explosion during the "Rabban squeeze!" montage when the Fremen are fighting back. Also SciFi channel's Messiah had the stoneburner which is same-dif.
>weirding modules fricks up everything.
Unironically false.
Me and my bros saw Dune 84' in the theater and to this day we still make the weirding module sound at each other as an inside thing. The weirding modules were extremely based and memorable and I was kind of disappoint to find out they weren't in the books
The weirding modules were an approved addition by Frank Herbert. I believe it was because they didn't know how to visually represent the Weirding Way, but wanted to still have quasi-mystical combat.
We owe an apology to Lynch and his Weirding Modules after witnessing the lame way its handled in DUNC. Just looks normal people fighting at regular speed, not at all how its described in the books.
It's better than people yelling "CHAKSAA" at each other. How the frick did Jessica subdue the guy anyway if she didn't have a weirding module?
How did they even get more weirding modules if they were all shown to be destroyed in the Arakeen palace, and now the fremen have enough of them for an army?
>How did they even get more weirding modules if they were all shown to be destroyed in the Arakeen palace,
Yueh included plans to build more with the supplies he stashed for Paul and Jessica.
It's like you didn't even watch the movie.
>I don't know why Lynch thought guns in Dune was a good idea, shields are an enormous factor to Dune's world building and weirding modules fricks up everything.
This is literally the kind of lore autism that ruins mainstream scifi and fantasy like Star Wars, Star Trek and LotR, and their respective fanbases.
Literally who (other than lore autists) cares about how exactly fights are conducted? It's a minor change that benefitted the story's transfer to the visual medium of film. Because without weirding modules, you get ridiculous Power Ranger fights like the one in the vision in DUNC.
Lynch certainly didn't care for the presentation as much as he cared about telling the story, and Frank Herbert himself took no offense to that.
Agreed.
It's like when I tell people IRL that in the source material Captain America's shield is actually BETTER than vibranium . And is a one of a kind mix of vibranium and adamantium.
Nobody cares. They give me a look like they want to give me a pat on the head and say 'that's nice'. Because it's not really relevant in the greater scheme of things and the story.
>here's that heroic god emperor of mankind I was telling you about
Casting wasn't the problem with that movie. You could even make a female Liet Kynes as Earthmother focused on ecology and love of plants and nature work, if you wrote it well, directed it well, and acted it well. The problem was that in a book solely devoted to developing characters, they made a movie that developed zero.
Contemporary audiences, as well as their favourite filmmakers, are seemingly allergic to exposition.
Probably because the word exposition has received a bad reputation in certain circles (redd*t, tw*tter, y*utube) due to the whole moronic show-don't-tell dogma that the people that push it don't even understand, and their assumption that exposition must be this evil "telling".
Villeneuve is the embodiment of that kind of mentality.
It's not that there isn't enough exposition. It's that there's virtually no dialogue. No one ever talks to each other. The best parts of the novel are the character interactions as they meet and grow and their relationships to one another change and progress. In the movie, no one fricking talked to each other. They simply did not interact, ever.
>It's not that there isn't enough exposition. It's that there's virtually no dialogue.
But those go hand in hand, anon. Dialogue is the main vehicle for exposition. Sure, you can imply a lot with visuals (and Villeneuve doesn't really do that either, or rather he implies very different things from what the descriptions in the book or the visuals in other adaptations imply). But characters talking, either to others, to themselves or to the fricking audience (Shakespeare loved that last one), is way more effective.
>They simply did not interact, ever.
Exactly.
Didnt read the books, didnt watch the old movie.
Only played the game and enjoyed it.
Watched the new overhyped first movie thought it was boring.
Sand worm was awesome though.
Not interested in the new movie.
I still can't get over how the Sardaukar just have Welder's masks with green lenses, funniest fricking costume I've ever seen
None of the Sardaukar adaptations have been all that great.
I will say, the shot of Salusa Secunda with the throat singing and blood alters in DUNC was pretty awesome. Favorite part of the movie, until the Sardaukar commander spoke in the horribly fake sounding battle language that dind't even attempt to match his lip movements.
But they seem like something really difficult to adapt. How do you make a force terrifyingly strong, yet weak enough to be easily defeated by the Fremen?
Every homosexual talks about that scene, but when I watched it felt like it was 30 seconds long and its over before you can even absorb what just happens.
Is this some zoomie ADHD thing you need to enjoy that?
In the movie they definitely made it way too short, should've been at least another 40 seconds long. But I watched it on youtube a couple of times again because throat singing is pretty cool so that's probably why it stood out to me.
I mean, Dunc pretty much did it? They walk over House Atreides, Duncan could shit on them but only to the point, they just straight up get ganked by Fremen when they encounter each other but not totally, Fremen take token losses too.
Even if the costume is goofy that movie just didn't even bother trying to make the Sardaukar fearsome anyway, about all it's ever presented as is a numbers game that they massively tipped the scale on
The pasted-on explosions from the weirding way modules did NOT help the scenes at all, it was too goofy to take anything seriously. It reminded me of those TerminalMontage cartoons on Youtube where they deliberately overuse badly pasted explosion effects as a running joke.
My main memory of them is Duncan killing one by just walking up and instant stabbing it in the face, and all it was missing would be a comical reaction sound effect
>Father! The sleeper has awakened!
Just want to say before the thread dies Liam Neeson should play the Preacher.