Just watched this finally, what were the top three best songs and top three worst songs in your opinion?
For me,
Best
>Stayed Gone
>Loser Baby
>Hell is forever
Worst
>Both Carmilla/Vaggie songs
>Respectless
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>top three worst songs
Not much point because everybody's gonna pick from the four or so songs people generally agree are kinda bad.
Which are those? I only just watched so I haven’t been around in any threads
I’m honestly surprised how consistent the music was I’m not gonna be listening to these songs outside of the show but a lot them are bops. I’m also worried season 2 won’t be as consistent.
>I’m also worried season 2 won’t be as consistent.
Yeah they really screwed themselves over with the 2 songs per episode requirement. It was already loosing steam by the end. I hope they at least shorten it down to 1 per episode or else shit will get stale quick
A few of the songs ("Sorry", "Respectless", and "Welcome to Heaven") feel like they were mostly just there for the sake of fulfilling the two song quota.
Given it’s Amazon’s most streamed show I think they’re willing to dump a lot more money in it now if Viv asks so there is a chance they can get more composers/songwriters which might fix the problem
I’m also expecting an animation bump in season 2
Invincible was extremely popular and the animation wasn't improved in the second season. So I doubt that
I mean, invincible STARTED with oodles of DEI money and it was a relative flop for the investment and hype and especially advertising which it got a lot of.
This was pretty much ready and waiting for a pickup and was mostly shilled by fans for free. And it's a definite hit with the twittersphere and the most liberal leaning people so it really hits every metric Amazon actually wants. I think they'd be stupid to not sink a shitton of cash in it at least until a third season, prime is absolutely STARVED for hits. Rings of Power was shit ROI.
>DEI money
moron
>I’m honestly surprised how consistent the music was
Me too. Not crazy about musicals but this was surprisingly bearable.
My only complaint is that Vox didn't get a full solo. Seems likely that he'll get one next season though.
The worst songs are the two from the finale because they're both mediocre reprises and I'm so mad that we didn't get any new songs in the last episode.
For me it's
Best
>Loser, Baby
>Hell is Forever
>Hell's Greatest Dad
Worst
>The Charlie/Vaggie song idk what it's called
>It Starts With Sorry
>Welcome to Heaven
>I HATED that song! Why are you so LAME?
gave me a hearty kek
Best
>Poison
>Stayed Gone
>You Didn't Know
Worst
Same as OP
"Whatever It Takes" was the best song by a mile.
"It Starts With Sorry" was also a standout gem that can be played without context.
And, to give the insane fans their due, "More Than Anything" also slaps. Both versions.
I love the way a musical weaves their musical cues through multiple numbers, particularly the way "Hell Is Forever" meshes with "You Didn't Know". Separately, they're kind of weak-sauce, but in he proper context and sequence, it hits like a truck.
>"Whatever It Takes" was the best song by a mile.
>"It Starts With Sorry" was also a standout gem that can be played without context.
>And, to give the insane fans their due, "More Than Anything" also slaps. Both versions.
agreed.
next in line for me would be the show must go on: https://youtu.be/75IMChOtf9s?si=f0KMGTzFoUy9ZrXJ
I really really really don't understand the V's song part.
Alastor is alive and the Angels were pushed back... like what the hell are they talking about? Everything is still the same like before.
I wondered about that too, maybe they think Alastor is gonna leave again for 7 years or something? So they'll have a shot at taking over?
Their part of the song almost feels like it was from a slightly earlier take plot where more overlords souls joined into the final battle after seeing the cannibals doing so.
Wouldn't be surprised to see there be mention of something like that happening in early Season 2 even if we didn't really see it Season 1, could be done with a short scene showing it happened.
>I really really really don't understand the V's song part.
>after the battle, master-less cattle
referring to people who have had their religion destroyed by Christ's victory.
>overlords hanging by a thread
referring to the old ancestor god religions being nearly forgotten now. you might really literally be directly descended from an angel (old genesis interpretation that Lucifer spawned people from Enoch) or god type being (Alastor stand in for European beliefs to the same effect) but those versions of events are nearly unknown now to most everyone.
>with a bit of bravado, maybe tomorrow we'll be the top of the heap
in this context the Vs represent the current christian church which does eventually rise to power
>while the rest of hell's pissing, Alastors missing
same as before, the people are lost and the old way of seeing things is forgotten
>fled with his (Alastor's) tail between his legs
Reference to how the old ancestor god religions were absorbed by the old christian church when it swept Europe and supplanted them with the Lucifer interpretation of the same events.
>nature abhors a power vacuum, it leaves room for you and me
the modern christian church stopped teaching that Lucifer is the father of the bloodline of humans who have souls. And also no longer teaches the other versions with other gods doing the same (Alastor). This is how things currently stand in the Christian church.
>the future of hell belongs to the Vs
yes, it sure does. the false christian church is very much in charge on earth today.
The church (hotel) that Charlie is trying to set up is the restitution of the old Lucifer father of the bloodline church as taught in Enoch and old Christianity, which also leaves room for Alastor who legitimately represents other god beings that fathered bloodlines on earth.
Oh boy. Another shitty anti-Christ lecture. Go back to /x/.
matpat were you the angel/divine bloodline schizo or was it the schizo you are replying to
I fricking hate that guy so so so much.
latter all the way.
you have no idea about this show and that is normal. it is like an inside joke for people like me who know the story already so we get to enjoy it all the more.
When Adam comes back, would you shut the frick up?
When he comes back as a damned soul will you just go completely insane, guy?
More than you already are I mean
No. I would be wondering where is the quality control on this entire thing because of of world-breaking that concept actually is. And be fricking bored when they ruined whatever was supposed to be very cool about the Eden plotline or this entire story, Adam.
I would also wonder why the frick aren’t Lute and Exorcist banished from Heaven.
You can’t say I am insane when these writers make the most baffling writing choices that I rightfully can fully shit on. Especially if the show goes all of its way to destroy whatever can make it appealing to me, that is flat out normal as “Adam refuses to fall, no matter what”, “Adam, the man who given up everything he had for love and justice”, and “Adam and Lute cute”.
You have to be legit insane to shit on Adam, then praise the family that corrupted and destroyed everything for their own self-gain of obtaining Godhood, and unrightfully rule over everything that doesn’t belong to them. Which is pure evil.
A normal person would want Adam to be happy with the redeemed sinners since that would realistically be his greatest desire. Hope that he would even see Eve, Abel, and more again.
Even simply having God accept Adam’s sacrifice is absolutely adorable and beautiful. To show the great costs, trusts, and agony it took to make redemption possible.
>the family that corrupted and destroyed everything
the reason people have a soul and holy spirit is thanks to the father of sin corrupting the human bloodline with it. that is the meaning of genesis. the angels are of God and through them we are also of godly spirit.
Humans have souls. Angels don’t.
God takes away spirits and bodies of mankind because he only needs to preserve and house the soul to new containers.
holy spirit and soul are the same thing by different names according to different books written by different people in different times. There is one spirit of which all are one in the end that is God.
No. Hahahaha. No.
A soul is a soul. A spirit is a spirit.
You can make the soul and the body spiritual. But that still means they aren’t spirits. And that implies that spirit is completely different from the soul and body, even if the latter two can replicate its properties.
And imitations are merely imitations at the end of the day.
the holy spirit when in the flesh is death of the flesh, that is one mystery that you probably do not comprehend. There is so much that you would benefit from understanding. I think honestly that the greatest barrier to salvation for people today in these times is the false teachings they cling to from false teachers.
>You can't say I'm insane...
You are blatantly schizophrenic and display clear signs of magical thinking, obsessive compulsion, and both megalomania and delusions of influence.
You are literally insane.
I don’t understand a single boring thing you said.
You’re a nerd with a dictionary that simply hates God and believes that you and mankind can wield this earth to any way you can. Like you own it.
You are delusional and insane in every real way possible.
Magical thinking: the presumption of a causal link between one's inner thoughts and things that happen in the real world
Obsessive compulsion: repeated and uncontrollable obsession with a specific topic or ritual
Megalomania: a delusion that one's self is special, important, or superior, often manifesting as a belief that the person has caused events that are clearly not in their control
Delusions of influence: believing that the consequences of one's own actions are the result of the intentions of others
Schizophrenia: the untreated mental illness you have
Look at this everyone, I fricking called it.
Go back to your shitty atheist world and die realizing you were wrong about everything in hell.
Dude, you are literally pretending to be Matpat right now, so don't pretend like you arent showing signs of schizophrenia.
I took the name because he was leaving the internet and I wanted funny shit to happen while he’s gone. With people making the the headlines “Matpat was right” with Matpat film theory pictures and memes, when Adam is revealed to be alive.
You’re simply a pretentious moron who wouldn’t invest himself to do silly ass jokes. Because you are a lame betacuck loser and I’m a goofy Bible chud.
Megalomania: check
Magical thinking: check
Obsession: check
Your love life: Zero
Your sense of purpose: Zero
Your sense of hope over death: Zero
Your relationship with God: Worse than nothing
Is this what Christians call "turning the other cheek?"
I mean this not as an insult but with full sincerity: see a doctor.
You thought Christians, Holy Angels, and God were supposed to be nice to things like you?
>Devolving into incomprehensibility due to magical thinking
Seek help
You could literally meet Jesus Christ face-to-face and still refused to believe.
>I called it
Called what? That you're mentally ill?
As someone who's actually read the Bible, two major points.
1. Most of what you're saying is so far removed from it that I wonder whether you've so much as glanced through it yourself.
2. Hazbin Hotel and its lore are decidedly inaccurate to the Bible in a laundry list of ways, and it should be considered to reflect on real spirituality (and vice versa) about as much as Harry Potter on the practices of real believers in witchcraft. Whatever link to God you think you're drawing from, it definitely is not going to show you what's going on in Vivziepop's crackhead zoomer brain.
I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears, I've argued with schizos before and I know how it goes, but I'll say it anyway just once: you are not a prophet. You're a baiting shitposter at best and an ineffective false prophet at worst.
The person you're responding to is literally insane. Their belief system has nothing to do with actual christianity, it's a bunch of nonsensical emotion/delusion-driven pablum
I'm also pretty sure it's guy
Naw can't be, he's been trying to shill this other moronic looking show claiming its a Christian show.
That schizo is more like guy took his meds with hard liquor and injected hardcore drugs in his rectum
Shut the frick up Adamschizo
he has ASPD not Schizophrenia get your lore right
Autism spectrum doesn't manifest as megalomania and misattribution
Anti Social Personality Disorder not Autism you dolt
If he had antisocial pd he wouldn't be posting at all
that's not what it means
Anon antisocial PD is violent attacks on and withdrawal from society
He's not a murderer, he's a schizo.
As much as I'd like Sinner Adam, you got a point there if what the exorcists were doing was wrong why wasn't the entire army +Adam and Lute banished to hell the moment extermination was revealed to the public, I mean the cherubs got banished for accidentally killing one guy
>why wasn't the entire army +Adam and Lute banished to hell the moment extermination was revealed to the public, I mean the cherubs got banished for accidentally killing one guy
>Purging sinners already in hell versus meddling in the living's affairs when they still have a shot at Heaven
Although the more realistic reason is (probably) that HB + HH cannot reference each other at all due to copyright bullshit.
they can't do it directly but the setting and "rules" for the world are the same, because it is the same world
I know, but what I'm saying is that (as far as Heaven knows at that point in the story) souls in Hell are already doomed, so purging them is a-ok, especially if it keeps Heaven safe from "uprisings" as Sera put it. Cherub (from what the other Cherubs saw) got a still living human killed, who could've very well repented for his sins/changed as a person with what little time he had left before he died, but since they got him killed, now they'll never know. They put a half full can of soda in a trash can not knowing if a customer would finish it & got fired as a result, while the exorcists where just doing their job & taking out the garbage.
The only person who was deliberately sent to Hell was Lucifer for creating sin. Everyone else just shows up where they're supposedly supposed to be. Adam was explicitly tasked with destroying sinners so in terms of conscious judgment by Sera and the others he may be blameless, but the underlying, autonomous judgment logic is actually beyond even their comprehension. Adam could end up in Hell for reasons they don't understand. If it's for anything, it'd probably be pride.
What I like about the whole Adam and Lute extermination thing and the implications of God being pleased with them, is the idea that God is not pleased by those that oppose their actions against the wicked.
So instead of Adam and Lute and their followers being threatened with hell, it’s the other way around.
Like Adam when he arrived to Heaven, you would be forced to embrace God’s justice over your justice. Even if you think it’s horrifying.
People have forgotten what God did to King David. “You would never have peace in your household.”
And they forgotten what God did to the people that refused to partake in his genocides against entire kingdoms.
His nature is not sunshine and rainbows. He wants death and punishment for wickedness and wicked people. Exterminations are exactly the kind of thing he would promote. And this is the God Viv grew up with.
>why wasn't the entire army +Adam and Lute banished to hell the moment extermination was revealed to the public
because before Christ's triumph over death all souls were damned and trapped on earth in hell eternally. The death and banishment to hell on earth is still the punishment for having the curse of genesis, but now there is a path back to rejoin God for those who choose to take it.
Yeah. Which is why Adam is so important in this story.
Adam isn't the Christ in the show. But I think you know that already...
Yes. Although, the explanation as to why we don’t see Christ in the show would simply be the fact Word didn’t need to become flesh, especially when Adam was still a sinless lamb for God to slaughter.
And in a sense, Christ would still be utterly angry at Adam for breeding with Eve, even if it wasn’t done in sin.
>we don’t see Christ in the show
but we do. it is very, very obvious.
you're very welcome.
Charlie is so cute!
Charlie is the Antichrist, albeit.
>Charlie is the Antichrist,
Not in this version of the story. Charlie is able to pass the test as the as mentioned in the song where she rallies the Catholics for the battle. Alastor and Rosie discuss it. Madly power fell, like her father.
>that pic and quote
Your people HAD their chance, Charlie.
>why wasn't the entire army +Adam and Lute banished to hell the moment extermination was revealed to the public, I mean the cherubs got banished for accidentally killing one guy
The cherubs got blocked on re-entry, and their crime was killing a living soul they were supposed to save. They're also basically heaven's imps. Whereas exterminations were okayed by Adam's superior, the Exorcists were already back in heaven, and their "crime" was killing sinners who had already died. Adam is also a VVIP. So their circumstances are pretty different.
But more importantly, what you're describing is the result of angels maybe selectively applying rules. We know thanks to the trial and Pentious that heaven's bureaucracy has no control over which souls are admissable to heaven. They don't even know their own entry requirements. Therefore angels are fallible and don't necessarily recognize when someone's crossed the line from winner to sinner if it's not accounted for in the existing rules.
Adam and Lute flat out smacked Exorcist that didn’t do their slaughtering job.
If the Cherubs were in their position, they would have to slaughter demons or be kicked out.
That is not selective. That’s simply doing your assigned duties.
Because Sera is the ruler of Heaven and presumably stopped it.
There is no reason for him to come back. He served the purpose for which he was put in the show.
People really have to jump through hoops to make Niffty being the one to kill him feel thematically fitting, huh.
it is fitting if you understand what the frick the story is about.
I don’t fricking get the paragraphs either.
I find it fitting that the child of Adam performs the sacrifice on Adam, the lamb, with a sacrificial holy knife.
And she was under the pure influence and instabilities of sin to do it.
Two sentences and I actually make it mean something without pretentious ass words or seething. Evil shitheads simply like to cough up excuses and glorify evil as an art, I guess. Not something that is completely depressing.
Hazbin and Helluva are very shallow in general. I've learned not to expect anything "deep" since she went with the moronic Blitz/Stolas childhood story.
I don't think it's complicated at all. Adam's ranting about how he's the most important person in the history of humanity, then he gets murdered out of nowhere by some random schizo cleaning lady who hasn't even noticed who he is. It's supposed to show he was never as big a deal as he thought.
He was too based and the janny got him. Many such cases
It'll all come together when she turns out to be Eve, trust the plan
Ironic of you telling someone to shut up
Before the show came out
>omg how could Viv disrespect the bibble like that by turning everyone into gay deviantart furries?!
After show came out
>HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS ADAM IS GOING TO COME BACK AND KILL CHARLIE AND ALL OF HELL AND THEN HE'S GOING TO RAPTURE ALL OF US also no shit I met Sera behind Taco Bell
Anne is going to hell, btw.
She's already in Hell, she's dead.
>Five fingers
Is that an edit or fanart
Anne goes to Heaven for her sacrifice but nobody notices because she got cloned.
Scratch not only goes to Hell but somehow becomes ruler of it despite actually still being alive.
Kiff goes to Hell, sells her soul, and eventually stabs Adam the first man to death.
The V's don't know where Alastor fricked off to, and as far as anyone else knew he was dead. After that, they're celebrating that the status quo had just been shaken up because that's an opportunity to increase their power.
alastor teleported back to his tower
That's strange, considering that the hotel building was ruined. How did the radio room survived?
the building was cut in half, the tower fell on the ground but its still intact. you can see alastor walking into it during his song.
it gives me quite a bit of catharsis for someone to simply repeat my post verbatim, followed by the word "agreed". thank you, anon
1. Hell is Forever
2. Hell's Greatest Dad
3. Stayed Gone
I barely remember the other songs
Shame the Carmilla Carmine songs aren't that great, she has a great voice and power behind it.
Hells greatest dad was ruined by mimsy
Yup
>best songs
>Hell is forever
>You didn't know
>Should have stayed gone
In no particular order, and it's not even close. Welcome to Heaven is also kino.
Stayed Gone and Hell’s Greatest Dad are my favorites.
Based and hilarious of Alastor to imply that Lucifer’s daughter calls him “daddy”
Hell's Greatest Dead is literally just a ripoff of Friend Like Me from Aladdin.
Which is also a fantastic song
Maybe in terms of theme but the tune is nothing like it.
The tune is a rip-off of Other Friends
No it isn't, it's an electro-swing song.
I had the same thought when we got to maître d' Lucifer. Not quite a ripoff since it has the rivalry between Al and Luci to mix it up, but definitely lifting some elements. The presentation of More than Anything (but not the lyrics) also reminded me a lot of A Whole New World. Big Aladdin energy.
I didnt get this vibe at all but Im not a huge disney gay. I do see the connection though. Personally, for me, whenever "Greatest Dad" gets stuck in my head it always turns into "Master of your Fate" from Teen Titans
The entire cast is musical kids, almost every song pays homage to some musical. Ready for this is absurdly close to The Music Man especially and Hello Dolly a little. It's actually hard to think of a song that doesn't borrow from any other musical. Maybe respectless?
The premise is the same "Powerful being trying to impress someone with flashy fast moving effects", but the context and music are totally different
>The premise is the same but the context and music are totally different
I blame any similarities less on deliberate imitation and more on the fact that the writers/storyboarders are all around the right age group to have mainlined Disney classics as kids. It might be totally unconscious.
I hate when that happens. Kinda like how you always retain a bit of whatever your first drawing influence is, and you pray people won't notice but they always do.
Makes me think the saying "good artists borrow, great artists steal" might just mean that you should stop worrying about originality and instead mix together so many influences that no single one can be picked out as the main thing, hence forming your own style.
They're both swing based songs, that's about it
Big penis chad here.
Best:
You didn't know
Hell is Forever
Happy Day in Hell
Worst:
Only song I can't find myself connecting with is Sorry.
>Whatever It Takes
>Poison
The rest are kind of mid but have their place in the show. BUT I do hate the one line Vaggie sings
>"I saw your face /and it made me feel like a stranger in a brand new place/ and it feel so good to be understood".
It doesn't make any sense. Vaggie said Charlie's face made her feel like a stranger but then says she felt understood.
TDD
I really don't like "More than anything" (the first one with Lucifer). It's musically boring and lyrically doesn't fit the tone of the show. Also Lucifer doesn't earn it in one episode after ignoring his daughter for so long. Episode 5 is my least favorite episode, other than the first Lucifer/Alastor song (which is admittedly very good) it's just boring and Mimzy sucks.
why wasn't this song a main part of episode 8 of HB?
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There was some legal frickery going with Kesha but we're never gonna learn the full details
My top 3 faves:
>More Than Anything
>Finale
>You Didn't Know
I'm not going to count the songs that are especially short but I also like More Than Anything (Reprise) and I'm baffled with this being the only song Charlie and Vaggie get together.
My bottom 3:
>Whatever It Takes
>Out For Love
>Respectless
Yeah I have no idea how Carmilla ended up with the weakest songs. I actually grew to sort of enjoy Whatever It Takes after listening to it a few times, but it's still a weird song. Vaggie's part is okay-ish (there are some weird lyrical choices) but Carmilla's part sounds like it wasn't meant to be sung as a ballad. Like these lines
>And I don't know what we might face
>But I know I can't replace you
>So I'll do anything to save you
what the hell was going on here.
Most favorite
>Loser, Baby
>Stayed Gone
>Hell Is Forever
Least favorite
>Happy Day in Hell
>Out for Love
>It Starts with Sorry
I love Keith David
Do any of you have some favorite different language versions?
I like italian Respectless and More Than Anything.
Honestly, the italian versions are usually among the best
I thought german Emily and Lute were great in You Didn't Know in particular.
French Alastor in Stayed Gone is quite different in a nice way, italian one somehow managed to make it sound like he's singing with his mouth full of saliva when Alastor drools and make it sound good.
I haven't listened to them but I heard the Japanese covers aren't great
Many Japanese versions are at least a little clunky, Japanese respectless is just flat out BAD. It partially makes sense considering the difference in syllables between English and Japanese. And yet some woman on TikTok can cover Japanese Hazbin Hotel songs and sound just fine, so I don’t quite get it.
Italian Poison is good. I hate most of what I’ve heard of Portuguese Alastor, but I liked the Brazilian ending of Stayed Gone because of the radio effect.
Poison and Loser Baby are fine but that’s mostly because Angel and Husk’s
Japanese VAs aren’t bad but the rest vary.
>Best
You Didn't Know
Out For Love
More Than Anything
>Worst
More Than Anything (Reprise)
Happy Day in hell
Welcome to Heaven
On the subject of songs, I just found this. Good shit.
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Good stuff
https://vocaroo.com/11F9sBZedImz
Keep drinkin husk
https://vocaroo.com/150Jp3Q0yt3w
that you psyanon?
Nope
This was:
Aside from Alastor, what other voices from Hazbin can you do?
a lot of hazbin voices will be in moonlight
I...huh, nobody's ever actually asked me that before. I did a vocal 'inventory', and the only three I can do consistently are Vox and Valentino (the irony...) and Sir Pentious.
I can do the accent for Angel Dust, but his vocal register is too high for me.
Now I am curious about your Valentino voice. A little taste, please?
https://voca.ro/1473STusWax2
Thank you.
I love no matter the dub, the voice actress playing this wienerroach is giving their 110% effort with sounding insane.
Can you talk dirty to me in an Alastor voice
bump
Awww come onnnn
I don't really know which songs are best or worst. They just all seemed to blur together.
>Alastor snaps his fingers and dresses Vaggie up as Susan in the Pilot
He really does hate her. Wants Charlie's attention to himself.
I wouldn't say I have worsts, but my favorites are:
1. More Than Anything - I'm a sucker for sappy songs like that.
2. Loser, Baby - Keith David singing is a joy, and I like the idea that these are people who can be happy again.
3. You Didn't Know - So many musical/lyrical tricks slipped into this one to really hammer down the characterization of those involved. Sera's voice crack in particular was just brilliant writing in my opinion.
I wish Princess and the Frog did better, Keith David deserves a perpetual role like James Wood's Hades.
Post more rare Adam’s please
yes please
Welcome to Heaven is a pleb filter
Welcome to Heaven feels like a bait-and-switch song.
>marketing intern jerks shippers around case #2405050
Best
>stayed gone
>hells greatest dad
Worst
>poison
It was so fricking grating on my ears I muted it before saying frick it and skipping the rest of the episode. Angel dust is so god dammed annoying
>Angel dust is so god dammed annoying
shut the fricking hell up i am trully utterly and completly disappointed in fricking society i wanna fricking slam your head with a rock and keep smashing untill in vanishes into aches then i would collect all of your filthy disgusting remainings and feed them to pigs before burning them with a flame thrower
blake romans absoloutley killed it the song is the best one in the whole fuvking show the song was complete perfection how come someone be this opinionley moronic
>too much yammering
Back under the bridge with yee
>You missed the best song
I've heard snippets. It's not that good
>saying frick it and skipping the rest of the episode.
You missed the best song.
I swear it had to be intentional to stick the best and worst characters with the best and worst songs in the same episode.
>best
Hell Is Forever
You Didn't Know (even though it's a little schizophrenic)
More Than Anything
>worst
Welcome to Heaven
It Starts With Sorry only because I barely remember it
and perhaps controversially Loser Baby
Why didn’t you like Loser Baby? Not judging just curious.
it's kind of low energy. I know it's supposed to be a mellower song but it just ended up boring me.
I'm obsessed looking up the other dubs of the songs now. Non-english bros, how were the overall performances in your dub? I'm bad at judging performances in other languages.
Personally,
Best
>Hells best dad
>Poison
>Hell is forever
Worst
>It starts with sorry
>More than anything (both versions)
>Welcome to heaven
[]Also I want Niffty to impregnate me even though Im a man.[[spoiler]][/spoiler]
>mpreg
some things I just will never get with this fandom
Best:
>Stayed Gone (none are even close)
>Hell’s Greatest Dad (for the first minute)
>Finale (because of Alastor and Vox)
Worst:
>Everything else idk I don’t remember any others besides Loser, Baby which is kinda gross and vulgar
Best
>Stayed Gone
>Loser, Baby
>Hell's Greatest Dad
Worst
>the sorry one
>the heaven one
>that one with vaggie and carmilla in the first half
Respectless is underrated
>Respectless is underrated
Agreed. I probably replayed it the most of all the songs. Plus Velvette doesn't have a single line for the rest of the season but this song made me feel like I know her more by the end than Carmilla, who got this one and 2 others.
I’m getting a vague feeling it’s popular to dislike Respectless specific Cinemaphile. I don’t get the impression it’s less appreciated anywhere else.
Cinemaphile's taste is pretty different from the rest of the fandom's yes. Adam isn't all that popular in other fandom spaces, for example.
I swear isn't he big on twitter especially asian twitter
Japan likes him yeah
Does his JP voice actor being Speedwagon have anything to do with it?
What
I’ve seen tons of Adam fangirls
as have I maybe anon has been lurking on reddit or something
Reddit is an awful space to find trends.
>30 year old boomers clinging to forum style discussion on imageboards hate twitterati instanthot zoomzoom's song
I don't think that's a hivemind thing so much as a natural outcome of Velvette representating the wrong side of the internet.
Best:
>Hell is Forever
Lives in my head rent free. Hell, I pay it to be there. Catchy and also I still think Adam was right.
>Stayed Gone
Fun little duet duel. Upbeat and catchy.
>You Didn't Know
Lots of great songs could take the 3rd spot, but I give it to this because it's my favorite narrative song. It starts slow but gets more and more intense and peaks with the Hell is Forever reprise. A lot of story payoff happens here.
Worst:
>Whatever the Vaggie/Carmilla song is called
Don't care for it. The song itself was meh and I didn't care enough about the characters involved to be invested.
>Welcome to Heaven
I simply do not remember this song at all. It's the only song in the entire season I can say this for. Totally forgettable quota song.
>It Starts with Sorry
Don't particularly hate it. It's alright, but something's gotta go in the 3rd spot and pretty much every other song I like better.
Honorable mentions to Hell's Greatest Dad which would be higher up if Mimzy's part was replaced with more Lucifer and Alastor, and Loser, Baby which is just a solid catchy song.
unbeknownst to everyone this motherfricker is the most dangerous being in the universe.
Seeing people not like Out for Love is weird to me. I get the lyrical content isn't anything special but god damn the power behind the chorus makes me extremely happy.
Carmilla is hot in that I'll give you that but the song itself is nothing special
I think that's probably the reason I like it. Listening to it without the animation doesn't do anything but combine it with what it is supposed to sync to and it's fine.
>Carmilla is hot
Damn fricking right, but yeah not a fan of the songs
I KNOW YOU'RE POISON
YOU'RE FEEDING ME POISON
has anyone made a webm of Val and Angel in the missionary position from the song?
Shit almost filtered me until Adam popped up the next episode.
If there were no exterminations, would Lute grow her hair out.
not having angel dust song poison on your best list is criminal
my favorite are
>You Didn't Know
>Hell is Forever
>Hell's Greatest Dad
for least it would be
>Welcome to Heaven
>More than Anything(reprise)
>Happy Day in Hell
I used to think It Starts With Sorry was also pretty bad, but the reveal that redemption really DOES start with it makes me think it's pretty good.
>that redemption really DOES start with it
What do you think repentance is?
welcome to heaven is objectively the worst song
It feels like a purposely shallow, materialistic, and empty song.
A bad song that foreshadows something bad will happen to the willing performers. As this is not Heaven is supposed to be.
The only song I liked was Loser, but I've had that shit getting sick in my head for weeks.
Everything else was trash, and the only reason I didn't skip them was that they didn't interrupt the plot, so you have to watch them.
And look who arrived this evening!
I want your fricking autographed Judge Doom picture, damn.
Also glad to see you're back!
Thanks! Yeah, I had to reorganize the walls recently, and I've moved some of them around.
Are you renting? If not paint your room
That's why I'm moving things around. I'm getting to the point where I can repaint the walls (just got the house last year). The office, color-wise is a hideous nightmare; it was apparently a toddler's bedroom according to the previous owner. But I've had other repairs that have taken priority.
What colour do you plan? I'm voting for a Hazbin rose red
A nice little shelf you're building for yourself there!
Best
>Loser Baby
>Hell's Greatest Dad
>Hell is Forever
Worst
>Welcome to Heaven
>It Starts with Sorry
>More than Anything Reprise
Writegay here, anyone from those old Alastor threads where I first started my project on here?
If you're the one writing the story about his abduction to heaven, yes. But why do you ask?
I get some replies and discussion on /trash/ but nobody on Cinemaphile ever seems to react to my greentext dumps anymore, just wondering if the people who had been reading it all migrated or not
Gotcha. I was reacting before but I have to catch up on the parts you already posted, so I haven't been responding in either thread. /trash/ is probably a better fit since it won't make sense to anyone who hasn't read the start of the story. Keep up the good work though, I appreciate you.
Here's the link to the whole thing if you need to catch up
/works/54144349
Its on ao3, and its all just one obecenely long chapter, but it'll be properly catagorized in the final edit.
Already had it bookmarked, but thank you fren.
Sorry I shill it too much lol I hope it doesn't annoy anyone.
I'm in both places and I just want to say I'd love to see the FFN text updated. I like your style but I hate reading fanfics on 4cban piece by piece
Updating on FF is a pain in the ass but I'll do it rq just for you bb.
Ok its done now FFN just has to realize its been upated.
Thanks a lot my man
It should update any second now...
aaaany second now...
If you want I linked the ao3 here:
and that one is fully updated too.
Yup, get more hyped with each post
hey writegay was the Vaggie vs Lute providence duel story made by you or someone else
I don't think that was me, Lute and Vaggie's fight wasn't actually covered in my fic, though in the final draft I think I'm going to include it, as its conclusion is the flashpoint that caused the AU
(In my fic, when Lute smashes Vaggie's face into that desk in their fight scene, she finished the combo by raking her sword across Vaggie's throat, throwing her to the ground, and then going to help Adam fight Lucifer. This lets Adam beat him, and Vaggie dies in Charlie's arms as the first of many extremely traumatizing things Charlie is forced to go through.)
It’s always hilarious that evil people always try to make Adam out as evil.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.
>The I.M.P.s were in their room of Stolas' estate leaned over a table with the blueprint of the building on it.
>"Alright, so Loona..." Blitzo began "...you're gonna sniff out the target once we get inside, and lead Moxxie and Millie to her. If all goes to plan, she should be knee-deep in an angry mob by then. You both distract and attack, while miss Rosie brings cannibals in to surround the target and her little friends." he grinned.
>"What are you gonna do?" Moxxie asked, his tone snarky.
>"I am so glad you asked, b***h!" he said, straightening his tie. "Yours truly will be getting in position in the shadows, all stealthy and shit, then I'll come out when shes nice and busy trying to survive you three, and FRICK her ASS dead!"
>"Mhm..." Moxxie seemed unconvinced. "And how are you SURE you can kill demonic royalty?" he asked.
>Stolas gave me THIS..." he pulled out a angelic steel knife, unearthly sharpness gleamed on its edge, its blade a shining white. "...to get the job done. Angelic steel."
They all stared in wonder at the weapon. "With a little swish of this baby, we'll all be set for life..." he said, savoring the idea.
>"Well sir, its... a pretty good plan, I guess..."
>Loona shrugged. "Yea I mean, probably. Better than most of what you come up with."
>Millie nodded. "Yea! We'll get that little silver-spoon-sucker good an' dead! Then you and me... Moxxie... can retire... imagine it, a farmhouse in Wrath, some lil' ones runnin' around, no worries or troubles..."
>Moxxie blushed as he imagined it. Yea, if this really went off well.. the rewards would be worth it. He'd be with his forever girl... forever. And nobody would ever look down on them again.
>"And I'll come and visit every weekend, yea?" Blitzo said, winking. "Ah, what the helll, I'll just sleep in a treehouse in the backyard!"
>Moxxie groaned as his boss ruined his happy fantasy. "PLEASE don't sir.."
>"Ahhhh come on Mox, ya know ya love me." he said, grabbing the two of them in a group hug.
>Going to her room, Loona met Octavia in the hallway. Her expression was downcast and she looked up at Loona with apprehension and worry.
>Reading her face, Loona walked over. "So you're still freaked out?" she asked, ears perking in interest of what her friend had to say.
>"I-I don't know. I just had a bad dream last night... I was somewhere at night, it was dark, and noisy, and there was lots of... weird shiny shapes. I was holding Dad's hand, and... he was running, I was with him, there was this burning light behind us... and I was scared... and sad. Dad was hurt, and something was wrong, but I couldn't remember what..."
>"Dude, you had a dream. Dreams are dreams, it doesn't mean anything."
>"My father is a star-reader... prophesy is in my blood." she said, almost as if it was embarrassing to admit.
>"So what you, think this dream is some kind of like... Star-Prophesy thats telling you the future?"
>The Goetia teenager made an annoyed huff and crossed her arms. "Well when you say it like that it sounds stupid..."
>"Well I don't think you have anything to worry about." Loona said. "I mean even if the princess... or... queen of hell, whatever, did catch us, there's gonna be so many things attack her and everyone at once, what chance does she REALLY have?"
>Octavia sighed. "Yea... I guess that makes sense."
>"Yea, see? Look, my dad is a dumbfrick, for sure, but he knows how to kill stuff. He usually has no problems. Besides, even when stuff does go wrong, we always get out."
>"Just... when you go out there to try to do this... be careful, ok?" Octavia said, giving her shoulder a playful punch.
>"I have a hard enough time making friends, I can't be losing the ones I have."
>Loona laughed. "Wanna go taxidermy our latest victim?"
>"Frick yea!" Octavia said, and they rushed off together.
>Hell Episodes
>Degenerates, furries, random mass murder
>Cannibals that dismember and eat people
>Chamber of Doom evil meetings
>Overlords that indiscriminately slaughter people because it's funny
>LE ADAM IS EVIL
The thing I cringed the hardest at was the bar named "consent" when rape would be probably the highest rate per capita in a shit hole like that.
>bar named consent
>fricking Valentino is there
He's not just there, he's a regular visitor.
Basically, if I’m not right, this show completely dies.
>bar named "consent"
That bit made me laugh out loud
Cause consent is the lowest bar. Vals not out snagging random nobodies to rape he gets them to sign contracts, technically consenting, at least, in his mind
that's the joke
>Hell is evil... but progressive!
>Heaven is good... but conservative!
>Root for hell!
you sure?
>Hell is evil... but progressive!
>Heaven is good... but conservative!
Heaven is fine with gays too. Viv confirmed Lute's vile and blasphemous line was about Vaggie and Charlie being an angel/demon pair. The show isn't a right-wing vs left-wing metaphor.
Cinemaphile is too autistic to appreciate visual gags now sorry
Wait, is there a deeper joke here? As stupid as Sneed spam is, the joke is kind of clever. Is there more to the joke than it just being a sex club called consent? Like is there a double meaning there? Teach me senpai.
The sign is a subtle joke
The joke is that the cast uses the name to imply the bar is ethical and looking out for the clientele but when you actually look at the place, the bar's name is designed to imply "being here is consent, Consent was a factor" as in, you don't get to complain if something happens to you in there. The very thing that had them so secure was a dark omen
Consent's Frick and Suck (Formerly Rape's)
One thing I'd love to see in season two is Emily getting a hard reality check on the real reason why hell sucks, which is mostly because of the willful shittiness of of sinners.
>I'm not a child!
>QwQ How can you go down there and kill dwose pwoor swouls?!
I'd guess Viv probably isn't into Break the Cutie as a trope and there's zero chance it'll happen. But if there's any character that deserves that kind of correction, it's Emily. Adam is presented as cruel, ignorant, and an indiscriminate killer, and yeah. He's a dick about Exterminations. He's petty and spiteful. But between him and his more "enlightened" opposition in heaven, only one of them (presumably) has up close and personal experience with evil. Angel and Pentious are rare exceptions: Adam's right that most of hell's residents don't deserve a second chance.
Unless it turns out that there was something special about dying to Adam's beam attack, sinners could have been redeeming themselves the entire time. Hell was actually purgatory and nobody realized it yet because they enjoyed being irredeemable scum.
>One thing I'd love to see in season two is Emily getting a hard reality check on the real reason why hell sucks
I don't think this is something Emily necessarily needs even though I figure she will get a culture shock if she ever visits/falls. Her argument isn't, and never was, "hell is full of complete innocents who did nothing wrong", but "why are we further punishing people who are already being punished. on what we grounds is this justified?" and Sera's response was literally "aww don't worry about it just look cute and happy for the winners :)". Like yeah she is being condescended to and she's a seraphim likely only second to Sera.
Lucifer and Sera are supposed to be mirroring eachother in a way(both giving up on sinners) and being over-protective(even if Lucifer's neglect thanks to his depression fricks with that a bit).
Wouldn't be surprised to see a song similar to this in Season 2 for Sera.
Especially if Lucifer was actually Sera's brother, even more reason for her to have kept Emily in the dark.
>Her argument isn't, and never was, "hell is full of complete innocents who did nothing wrong", but "why are we further punishing people who are already being punished.
Yeah, but that's the thing. A clean death is arguably better than an eternity of suffering, which was all anyone expected for them pre-Pentious. Does Emily have the understanding necessary to make that call?
And besides, who is punishing the sinners? It isn't Lucifer or the Deadly Sins. Hell is being trapped among other sinners. They punish themselves, and some of them in typical crabs in a bucket fashion are dragging down others who maybe could be redeemed. If Exterminations were selective executions of the worst cases rather than mass cullings, would anyone really still be crying about how those poor souls deserve pity?
>clean death
Their souls aren't actually expunged from existence, they get scattered and turned into the buildings/landscape.
>Exterminations were selective executions of the worst cases rather than mass cullings, would anyone really still be crying about how those poor souls deserve pity?
Probably not, but that's the thing, the exterminators aren't even trying to find the overlords. They just go after who they see. Vaggie was kicked out for not killing a child. That's why the exterminations are a problem, they aren't really about divine punishment, they're about kicking people when they're already down, and they're doing this when more people are going into hell than heaven.
>Their souls aren't actually expunged from existence, they get scattered and turned into the buildings/landscape.
For what it's worth, that's old info from Viv's streams that may or may not still be canon. I'm not sure if it's even supposed to apply to death by angelic steel since that hadn't been introduced into the setting yet. As an aside though, that does raise the question of what would've happened to all the slain Exorcists and Adam in particular. There's no reason why heaven-aligned souls should be permadeleted by weapons that can't erase sinners. Imagine Adam being reincarnated as a set of eyes in the hotel, stuck watching Charlie's group therapy sessions forever.
>the exterminators aren't even trying to find the overlords. They just go after who they see
>they aren't really about divine punishment
Yeah, true. IMO there's a happy medium if intervention that could be reached, but then the next objection would be "who are we to judge, maybe in another 6,000 years X or Y hardened overlord could be saved too".
It’s much easier to view holy weapons as the second death tool in the Bible. So you have to be in God’s book of life to be truly alive afterwards.
Meaning, everyone and everything in hell is reserved for the holy lake of fire…
This hell is a fricking picnic compared to the more conventional one. What you can sometimes get killed or murdered, even thought you are likely a fricking psycho yourself.
These sinners should have their corpses rammed through an impossibly small hole into a lake of hot human feces.
Like viv knows that there are child rapists and mass murderes in hell right? Sooo what happens to them, redemption? By staying at some homosexualy hotel?
She conveniently explained way that pedos, racists and war criminals (aka pretty much every soldier ever) gets instantly destroyed by some magic bullshit . Pretty moronic, it would exactly make hell much interesting and more of a threat if it was full of deposed military leaders and elite soldiers taken out in their prime.
I cant get over such a half assed reasoning.
Like a perfectly obvious explanation for why those extremely heinous kinds aren't present would be saying that the Exterminations were originally for wiping those kind out, its just Adam and his exorcists grew to enjoy it and kill even the lesser sinners.
But not serial killers for some reason considering Alastor is cavorting around town
Viv's overcomplicated OC Alastor is allowed to exist in hell for... reasons. All other serial killers just get obliterated so she doesn't have to tackle difficult subject matter (something she's not capable of).
I was under the impression that Rapists were in Hell Jail because even the rest of hell hates them, sort of like "prison rules"
Was this from a stream? I feel like shit like this can't be taken at face value because Viv has switched stuff around from what she said before. You could just as easily explain that at hells gates Lucifer has someone execute them for being too repulsive to be in his hell or just go with what
said.
I also would love for Charlie to meet someone who so genuinely repulses her that she's forced to accept that even Hell is too good for them
>She conveniently explained way that pedos, racists and war criminals (aka pretty much every soldier ever) gets instantly destroyed by some magic bullshit
They don't. I tried finding an official source or quote for this a few weeks ago and there isn't any. Turns out this is what she really said:
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>See 1:30:30 - 1:32:50.
>People misunderstood her words. She didn't claim that the souls of rapists and mass murderers just magically vanish when they die. She said that they have made so many enemies during their lives that they end up instantly targeted and picked off once they enter the afterlife. That's the in-universe explanation for not involving infamous criminals in the cartoon. And the out-of-universe explanation is that they didn't want to reference real crimes and tragedies because it'd be in poor taste.
If you bring up the Dahmer joke from the pilot she's also said she regrets ever doing it.
All of these “what happens to the worst criminals in Hell” explanations need a “but not for Alastor tho” caveat because for some reason he’s unaffected by all of them despite being a literal serial killer
>All of these “what happens to the worst criminals in Hell” explanations need a “but not for Alastor tho” caveat because for some reason he’s unaffected by all of them despite being a literal serial killer
Tbf Alastor's body count is (probably?) way lower than like Hitler's. When you subtract the number of victims that went to Heaven (if at all), and then consider that none of them might not have even known his name/who he was, I can see Alastor just being unaffected or being able to fight off the people who do recognize him.
>All of these “what happens to the worst criminals in Hell” explanations
Don't need to exist.
It's a silly and endlessly contrived musical with very obvious and surface-level themes. There's nothing beneath the surface to dig into, you're just supposed to like the pretty designs and the music and the broadest of emotional strokes.
Nobody pumps the batmobile's tires.
I don't think murder is actually one of the worst. Possibly only notorious criminals and pedophiles get the axe. Alastor, unlike most serial killers, wasn't sexually motivated. For all we know when criminals get sent to hell they apparate onto a scale and a trap door drops if their guilty of xyz.
Alastair is a bread and butter normal serial killer and also juicing considering the first anyone knew of him was broadcasting overlords screams.
I do like the idea that lesser sinners in hell hunt and kill the more vile sinners like child rapists, murderers, and the like once they get into hell because like in real prisons. Not everyone in prisons is a violent thug and are actually in there for lesser blue collar shit like drug possession, petty-to-grand thefts, falsified arrests, and even murderers out of defense or fair fights. They dont want to associate with the worst of the worst. If you could get away with killing a pedophile or two in prison and be seen as a hero. Yeah, do that shit. Pedophiles are not human, and most people agree. Hell, most people revile violent rapists and dont mind killing them if they are convicted.
Thanks for the source anon. This genuinely works fine as an explanation.
Why should all those people get eternal punishment for at most 110 years of a criminality?
>Emily, upset with how Sera lied to her, wonders if everything else she's been taught about hellborn is a lie
>She sneaks out and doesn't tell anyone (not even Charlie) that she's going down to get a nice personal look at hell + it's people
>Charlie was so nice, so whose to say that others aren't the same way?
>Scene immediately cuts to Val giving her a fierce throatswabbing
>He's prepping her for her debute role in his next big special
>"Bringing Happiness To Hell"
>Movie is a pretty standard Valentino Productions porno
>Emily loses not one, not two, but all three of her hole's virginities that day
>She becomes thoroughly mindbroken by the end
>Movie releases, becomes a massive hit, even by Val's standards
>Charlie/Lucifer/The Hotel quickly find out about it, reacting with absolute "OH FRICK" energy
>Charlie, without a second thought, immediately hops up to go save Emily
>The more they delay, the higher the chances that Heaven will find out about this increase
>Maybe, just MAYBE, they could somehow fix this before they-
>But it's already too late
>The largest amount of exorcists hell has ever seen are ferociously invading through multiple portals
>Sera herself is leading this extermination personally
>And unlike the other purges, this time there will be NO survivors, no sinner nor hellborn will be spared from Heaven's might
>The creator of humanity herself comes down to punish them
Sera, you could have avoided all this if you just taught Emily to actually fight like a proper Seraphim
The only problem with a scenario like this is that Valentino is the one character she'd never end up working for since she's actually seen him be a massive dickbag unlike most.
More likely to slowly get manipulated by the other Vees somehow.
That is true. Maybe Vox spots her immediately via one of his devices + invites her in for an exclusive (not sexual, but genuine) interview + broadcasts it to all of hell knowing it'll bring more customers to his brand? Maybe she meets Velvette & they hit it off surprisingly well & become friends (or Velvette atleast convinces her that they're "friends" while she uses her for free clout)? Alternatively, I could see her getting manipulated by some other demon(s) into sex under the false assumption that it's how hellborn/sinners "bring happiness to each other", in which case Sera still brings about the cleansing of Hell.
I could see the smarter Vees manipulating Emily into getting some kind of advantage against heaven. "Hey, we're really good guys providing our services to the sinners of hell and to do that even better when need this heavenly McGuffin. Can you get it for us?" And what plays out is a lesson in never trusting a sinner.
>Velvette plays at being willing to redeem herself to stay "friendly" with Emily, slowly pry her away from the Hotel crew with charm
>Claims that she's trying to improve the other Vees while doing nothing of the sort
>Lets the other Vees in on the trick,
>Having their own Seraphim is worth all the theater
>Emily is completely certain she's well on her way to "fixing them"
>"Emily Dear, we would release our souls, but then every overlord in hell would jump us, surely you understand. We'll do it in due time."
Yeah the problem with this is Sera is a Seraphim like Lucifer and could turn any overlord into a smear on the pavement.
Emily is foreshadowed to becoming a fallen Angel. So lol.
>Unless it turns out that there was something special about dying to Adam's beam attack
In his confusion Adam accidentally hit Pentious with the “teleport directly to heaven” beam and not the standard “instantly obliterate” beam. Also he was the only one who could do that.
>In his confusion Adam accidentally hit Pentious with the “teleport directly to heaven” beam
So is the blimp also in Heaven?
“Let's begin…I'm gonna make you wish that I'd stayed gone, tune on in!
When I'm done, your status quo will know its race is run, OH, THIS WILL BE FUN!”
Stayed Gone is kino
The exterminations were justified btw.
Lute needs corrective rape.
From Adam?
...
But that's vile and blasphemous! Lute was made for straight sex with Adam only.
that's vaggie you moron
the implication was lesbian rape
Anon... maybe you're the moron...
Yes, because the white haired one eyed, woman with the big schnozz pictured with charlie is clearly lute
When someone calls you a moron, you should maybe go back to the beginning of the conversation to figure out why they might be saying that.
Lute will be made gay.
Sweet cheez, a parade portrait that hides Vaggie's injury. I'm in love.
>This place reeks of death, there's a chill in the air
>And I barely escaped being killed by a hair
>"Great Alastor, altruist, died for his friends"?
>Sorry to disappoint...That is not where this ends!
>I'm hungry for freedom like never before
>The constraints of my deal surely have a back door
>Once I figure out how to unclip my wings
>Guess who will be pulling all the strings!
Every Alastor song slaps
Great Alastor more like Great Fraudstor
Explain!
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I can see Vox in Herod's place
Reminder that all of this bickering is pointless now that it is confirmed that redemption is possible.
It's just trying to figure out how it is done and to convince sinners that they need to let go of their vices/positions in hell.
No way Lute will just sit back
My money will be on trying to kill the only proof that redemption is possible: Sir Repentious.
>Lute tries to kill Pentious
>Fails
>The only punishment for the ultimate sin is to become Fallen
>Sera would handle this differently if Lute didn't do it so sloppily & in front of so many witnesses
>Lute becomes Fallen
>Everything for her goes dark
>She wakes up in Hell
>To her surprise, Adam is there too
>Turns out he woke up in hell too not long after Nifty attempted to remove one of his ribs for her collection
>They may be in Hell, but atleast they're back together again
>Lute and Adam go on a Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas style roadtrip across Hell as the comic relief sideplot
Lute will push for more active military:
>You want to be protected right? Hell knows they can kill you now! Rabble rabble
And the Vees will perhaps seize on the fact that Charlie proved fighting the angels work to push for war.
Especially if Sir Pentious's redemption is kept a secret.
>Figure it out
It's literally just what Adam wrote down except "The Man" was him all along.
Adam Was Right™
>It's just trying to figure out how it is done and to convince sinners that they need to let go of their vices/positions in hell.
Okay, but what about the ones who have no interest in being rehabilitated and don't want others to be redeemed either? I'll grant that Viv is a sheltered womanchild who probably thinks almost anyone can be fixed with enough therapy, and her setting is going to reflect that worldview. But hell is supposed to be a collection of the absolute worst people in all of human history. Trust falls and singalongs aren't going to fix a malignant narcissist. So does Charlie/Lucifer just lock up all dissenters, or what? Double-hell?
Dunno. Best case scenario is that those that have potential go through the program and redeem themselves, while those that want to cling on being fricking weirdos can stay in hell.
You leave them to sit in Hell where unless you drop in angel weapons and teleport them in they can’t harm Heaven. If you absolutely have to double kill someone have a trial.
Send anyone who gets redeemed up to Heaven, leave the ones who won't change in Hell where they're supposed to be. System working as intended.
>Send anyone who gets redeemed up to Heaven, leave the ones who won't change in Hell
Sure, but think of the overlords who have a bunch of souls under their control already. They would resist the redemptions chipping away at their empires, both violently and through fricking up their contractees' chances by inducing them to commit more sins. If the hotel program ever grew efficient enough to be able to redeem sinners by the hundreds, I'd expect open war to break out between the hellexiters and remainers.
I don't even think you CAN go to heaven is your soul is owned. Charlie's gonna have to free the slaves
The best song by far is You Didn't Know
Great song, great villainous reprise, great heroic subversion of said reprise, just a fantastic piece all around.
Besides that clear winner it becomes a matter of what genre you prefer. For me I'd go with Hell is Forever and then Hell's greatest dad because I'm not a huge fan of straight pop or disney princess songs but I am a sucker for electro-swing.
The worst songs on the soundtrack aren't bad songs, they're just kind of generic and functional and don't stand out. I'd say the most forgettable song by far is the one Charlie sings with the Cannibals, and I'd throw More Than Anything and It Starts with Sorry in there, too.
Poison is a point of contention for me. I recognize that it's a fantastically written and performed song but I just don't like straight pop
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Hazisters... they got us.
>There's plenty of independent animation targeted at mentally ill teenage girls, but what about mentally ill teenage boys?
It's just a funny joke, not sure why people are being autistic over it on the other thread in either direction. Also would
Cute!
I'll be happy if they at least get a duet in season 2.
Vaggie is moronic
I want Charlie to frick me senseless.
>Meanwhile, in Heaven...
>Adam was in his seat in the council chambers of Heaven's assembly of angels and blessed. Lute sat next to him.
>He watched as Michael and Emily took the stand, and steeled himself.
>Though he'd had doubts recently, and wasn't sure all his actions had been justified, he had still promised to help his friend Ally, and damn it, that was what he would do.
>Even if it meant voting to kill everyone in Hell...
>Sera stood above them, at the top box alongside Gabriel, acting as co-judges.
>Angels and blessed mortals!" Emily started introductions. "I am here to explain to you today, why we need to support and help Charlie Morningstar, and her efforts to make Hell a better place! She has a lot of potential in her ideas, she just needs some support after all thats happened!"
>Michael spoke next.
>"Heavenborn and Mortals alike, you know me. I am Michael, Archangel of War, and First Lieutenant of Heaven's Legions. I come to you today, to express how imperative it is that we destroy Hell, and shatter its people, once and for all!"
>"You may begin." Gabriel intoned.
>Emily started with her points.
>Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask, a sinner dies, and their soul goes to hell, is it still not their soul? Is it still not capable of thought or feeling, of realizing, and wanting to fix its mistakes? Why can't we try to give them the credit to live better in Hell than they did on Earth, why can't we help Hell's new queen in bringing down sinful desires and actions?! This is what I'm asking! Why don't we TRY!?
>Michael responded.
>"And I ask, what did these people do to go to hell? How many of them did things that can never be fixed? How many assaulted innocent women and children, killed families, burned homes, destroyed lives? How many haven't even the CAPABILITY to understand what they're doing is evil? I would say most of them, if not all. Can we afford to let Heaven be threatened because some MIGHT one day do slightly better? I say no."
Showed the show to my Christian mom who likes musicals.
She didn’t like that they made Adam and Heaven evil but wasn’t bothered by Angel Dust bdsm furry sex.
She’s always been 100 times more bothered by blasphemy than degeneracy though.
What kind of ports does Vox have if you get my meaning?
usb or hdmi probs. Take your pick of whichever makes you tingle the hardest
You aren’t fitting a dick in either of those.
you shouldn't be fricking the TV. The TV should be fricking you
Three tight, perfectly formed Y′PBPR ports and one backup S-video port. No HDMI yet because he's an old man and not as much of an early adopter as he pretends.
>electrical port insertion
Extremely underrated and kino fetish
>they're charging their fricking phones off him
nice
Bet it feels good even though he won’t admit it.
WAIT
...does this mean Alastor's nipples are audio jacks???
Alastor chose to be a deer man and not an anthro radio. Though he could probably shapeshift some radio-themed nipples.
Twist his nipples and listen to the frequency change. The last sound you'll ever hear
But you can do it once.
It'd be worth it.
Alastor has deer adjacent nipples
the idea that alastor has fur bothers me immensely but it makes sense
>read that usb nipples are canon because Viv drew Vox shirtless once
Is this true? I thought it was just a fan thing
Stop being horny.
If Charlie has hooves does she have fur?
Maybe. The idea of an animal nose and hooves combined with regular-textured naked human skin is kinda gross.
Yeah, if she had some kind of peach fuzz it wouldn't be so weird. Goat horns and feet with a little animal nose wouldn't work with human skin.
Best girl.
>Best girl.
the very best
Verosika boobs
Verosika is really hot and probably free of diseases.
the power of the succubi
Pinkie succubus woman
I've decided to take a try and assign HB characters with Italian Commedia dell'arte masks.
Can't decide which mask fits Sir Pentious - Dottore or Captain.
Alastor may be Brighella or Coviello.
Husk may be Brighella as well
Angel Dust is Arlecchino.
Vox may pass as Scaramuccia
Charlie and Vaggie - Innamorati
Niffty - Colombina. No doubt.
Velvette - La Signora
How can we identify everyone else?
Anon this is very autistic even for our standards…
I thought it could be useful for ficwriters, since CdA was pretty much a bunch of people playing with a stage play creation kit
Adam is absolutely El Capitan, Sir Pen is Dottore
Adam is braggart, but he's competent
unlike some people we know
No no looking at modern musicals through the lens of classical theatre is based and knowledgeable
Niffty the Soubrette
R8 my picks:
Best
>Stayed Gone
>Hell’s Greatest Dad
>Respectless
Worst
>It Starts With Sorry
>Welcome To Heaven
>Whatever It Takes
The first Vag/Car song has grown on me, mostly because Vaggies VA really shines in her part. The second one sounds way better Spanish
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Worst by far is the heaven song and cannibal town song, the Char/Vag song in the finale was lame too, and of course Hells best dad has a strong start but completely goes to shit after the instrumental section
>Ready For This not even mentioned in the thread once
Aw cmon guys it's not THAT mid. I liked the progression of lyrics and grandiose feel of it.
Best
>Ready For This
Mentioned above. It's the most 'musical' feeling of every song, not to pop-y and not too swing-y. The kind of song you'd actually expect in a real musical. I relisten to this one the most, it's just real damn catchy.
>You Didn't Know
The constant jumping of tones really make this song stand out. Some people don't like the awkward Sera repeats at the beginning but I like it. The reprise of Hell is Forever really adds to it.
One thing that I never see people mention is how well Hazbin made "conversation songs" flow, definitely made almost every song stand out when you go into the series expecting half-baked songs and pop music, really nailed the song department. You Didn't Know really fit like 4 conversations and half an episode of content into one song and made it work. It was a little jarring on first watch with how fast the entire thing goes, but rewatching it is great every time.
>Stayed Gone
Lot of really good puns in this one that go over your head and encourages rewatching too. "His mediums getting pretty bloody rare" Is probably my favorite line, the delivery, the visual, and the thought behind the lyrical pun of radio becoming obsolete just really nail it.
Worst
>More Than Anything
At least Whatever It Takes was attempting something, this one felt like a terrible love song. Tuned out like halfway through.
>Out For Love
What a dogshit song, completely forgettable. The visuals are nice and getting to see Carmilla DO something is cool, but still not enough to carry it.
>Welcome To Heaven
Waste of a song slot. It's a cute little funny quirky song but it just should not have counted for a song slot.
>Ready For This not even mentioned in the thread once
I like it too and am surprised some people dislike it. It's a very nice tune, but when asked to pick just 3, I had others I liked more.
she is his.
She’s literally me
Alright but his character’s VAs were the best singers?
Lute gets like half a dozen lines of song in the whole show but she blew me away with them. Her interjecting in You Didn't Know then harmonizing with Adam is pretty much my favorite moment in any of the songs. Her tone, delivery, and ability made that song for me.
Best
Stayed Gone
The Show Must Go On
Worlds Greatest Dad
Worst
Sorry
Whatever it Takes
Welcome To Heaven
>oh shit you guys there are too many sinners they’re gonna try to invade heaven I guess we gotta start killing them
>sinners can’t even physically access the majority of hell, let alone have any way of getting to heaven, and only have any means to harm angels after you started the yearly killings and kept leaving behind heaven guns that can kill anybody
I think Sera might be moronic
Sera may be moronic--which wouldn't surprise me because S1's plot is basically duct-taped together with layers of stupidity from every character involved--but the official explanation for Exterminations could also be a coverup for something else. There's the unanswered question of what the frick Lilith's deal was, and who if anyone Sera answers to in heaven. And the "there's a lot that you don't know" line in You Didn't Know, which sort of implies there might be other problems with Charlie's plan.
>but the official explanation for Exterminations could also be a coverup for something else
It already has a cover up of its own, originally it was supposedly because of overpopulation
I thought sera answered to the elder angels and god
>I thought sera answered to the elder angels and god
She only answers to the Speaker of God, and she either is one of the elder angels herself or she has dominion over them.
It's heavily implied they did the extermination just because they enjoyed it.
Best
>Hell's Greatest Dad
>Stayed Gone
Worst
>the Carmilla/Vaggie one
>all Angel songs
I do not get the hype for Loser Baby and Poison is especially obnoxious.
>I do not get the hype for Loser Baby and Poison is especially obnoxious.
Keith David is why Loser Baby is good. I agree on Poison. It wouldn't be my cup of tea no matter who sung it, but Angel is particularly grating in songs.
Stop discussing nipples you morons.
fine
Deers have udders, therefore Alastor doesn't have nipples at all. He has teets.
Do you think his teets are sensitive?
>Deers
Deers is the correct term when referring to multiple different species of deer together.
True. But "teets" was a legit typo.
They would also be between his legs. God I don’t want to be aroused by tumblr sexyman #54921 but ungulates, especially deer, are so sexy. I can’t help it.
Stop making me think about milking Alastor
I fricking hate literally all tumblr sexymen, but this goddamn deer got me.
That’s me with the TV head but more because I’m a shameless toaster fricker. Put his design on a human or other type of fleshy or furry monster and I would feel nothing. I’m not even normally into dudes and prefer females but I have a few exceptions
So what character songs do you guys hope to hear in season 2? Duets, quartets, solos, whatever.
Personally, I want both a Niffty song and a duet with Zestial and Carmilla.
Cherri song. Will probably be shared with Angel, but alternatively a yearning song with her and Pentious?
>but alternatively a yearning song with her and Pentious
I'd love to see this, especially since Pentious messing around in Heaven and being revealed to be alive to folks in Hell definitely should be the main plot in the first or second episode of Season 2.
This is gonna sound really fricking gay, but I appreciate that they managed to pack so much expression into Alastor using just his eyes
it is impressive, I'm sure it annoyed the frick out of the poor animators though
>this is going to sound really fricking gay
Anons were just discussing characters nipples I think you’re alright.
Ernest appreciation for a piece of media I consider just okay feels gayer to me than that
You know what. You’re right
No. It shows that you can find things to appreciate even in things you may not like- something like 90% of the population can not do, it's a valuable skill.
Vox’s outlets are so loose that if you tried to put a plug into them it would slip out constantly and be impossible to charge anything
Vox does seem like a slot bawd.
>Vox has USB nipples
>Alastor has deer teats
We need to keep theorizing. What kind of nipples do the rest of the cast have? This is important discussion.
Go back to /trash/ with this shit, VoxBlack person.
Fine. None of the seraphim have nipples because they all have extra hidden eyes on their chests instead. Happy?
I could see that for Sera. Emily has the eye in the middle of her chest and probably has regular nipples.
The only other mammal is Charlie, who is a goat, which is a ruminant like Alastor, so...
I want to play with Charlie's teats!
I’m ignoring most of your post to say that I hope they give Christian Borle more songs in season 2.
The best songs seem to be when they are doing big broadway numbers while the lesser songs are when they try to do pop.
Exceptions being Poison and Respectless of course.
>MENTALLY ILL TEENAGE GIRLS
Respectless has grown on me.
The show was an interesting distraction but too lousy overall for me to bother with season 2, call me if the Adam and Eve angst ever comes into full swing though- because thats the one hook I'm actually interested in coming to fruition.
deer breasts
I need husk doing cat things.
Come to think of it, a cat as a bartender is a horrible idea
>all those empty glasses left by guests right on the edge of the bar...
Sounds perfect for Hell.
>Alastor: Husk I just received an invoice for another pallet of bar glasses, what's going on?
>Husk: You're the one that made a cat a bartender jackass, what do you think.
There are too many songs under 90 seconds which stops them really getting into a flow.
Welcome to heaven could have been much more fun with more verses, instead it gets just one and feels like a scattershot of ideas. Respectless would have worked better if it had another verse of her shitting on the vees and 'winning' before the angels head is mentioned
>Respectless would have worked better if it had another verse of her shitting on the vees and 'winning' before the angels head is mentioned
Carmilla is actually losing the entire time, that's the point. She's getting outplayed just as badly as Vox did in Stayed Gone.
I really liked Respectless
>decide to put the hazbin hotel ost on Spotify
>Hideaway plays
Make me lol
The events of that video are canon, and if the same amount of time passed in universe as in real life since that video was made, it took place pre-Vaggie. Charlie was a totally different person before meeting Vaggie. Vaggie made her less rapey.
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A perfect tune for Alastor's morning walk.
I love Respectless (Carmilla's voice is god-tier) but I also liked Cotton Candy and Hamilton unironically so maybe I just have shit taste.
>Liked cotton candy
Just finished that episode and it was one of the hardest to get through. I only watched HB for research purposes, literally, so now on like episdode 3 of season 2 its REALLY grating on my nerves how annoying and weird this characters are and how stupid the songs are.
Cotton Candy brings me straight back to middle school when we thought we were hot shit for listening to Ke$ha. pure comfy nostalgia trash.
Totally agree that the songs are so much weaker in Helluva (I don't remember a single one other than that one) and the characters are not nearly as likable as the Hazbin crew IMO.
Gonna say no regarding your "shit taste", fren. Respectless went from rock-bottom "Welcome to Heaven"-tier to a favorite over just a few days.
Top 3: Respectless, Loser, and either Hell's Greatest Dad or Hell is Forever depending on mood.
Bottom 3: Either version of More than Anything, and Welcome to Heaven. I want to like Welcome to Heaven but it was kind of weak, and More than Anything just didn't do it for me.
>They argued the point for several hours before Sera called for the closing arguments.
>Michael took the lead here. "We simply cannot invest in this project by helping the masses of hell! These degnerate, foul little creatures do not deserve any mercy, and should be taken out before they become a threat. As they gain more power they will grow and overpopulate again. What happens when she starts expanding, when she wants more under her control than just the circle of Pride?! Where does it end?! Please, multitude, vote not to supply these monsters with anything of Heaven."
>Emily gave the final word. "My friends, my family of this wonderful place, if you cannot find it in yourselves to vote for compassion, then vote for safety! I know you've all heard the rumors, I know that you all know that Hell is rebuilding, and there is unrest Pride like never before, and I know that you know its because Charlie HASN'T given up, when everyone else has. Please, help her! If we don't, we have pitiless demons and foul sinners who want nothing but to make the world worse as leaders down there! That will only lead to more purges and more dead on both sides, now that the have angelic steel! Please, let us choose good over evil, and not label them both just because they happen to be born of Helll! Where your soul resides is not your choice. What you do with it IS!"
>There was intense murmuring amongst the multitude as the citizens of heaven debated what to do...
>Lute looked at Adam. "We vote for extermination, right?"
>Adam nodded. "Yup. Gotta, for Al to find his freakin' mom."
>They both glided down to the floor and cast their votes into the ballot box... now to see what happened...
>Sera went down, retrieved the box, and they began to count. Adam was surprised to find he was holding his breath.
>He knew that if the vote came up, he'd go back down to kill the rest of them... to slaughter the last of Hell's people.
>Charlie would DEFINITELY not be happy to see him...
>Finally, after several minutes that felt like an hour, Gabriel took to the air to announce the result.
>His chestnut hair waved gently as his wings bore him aloft, and he spoke in the voice of a trueborn herald.
>"Assembled of Heaven!" he called. "The vote is cast, and the decision made! Heaven shall assist the new sovereign, this... Charlie Morningstar, in her endeavors to change her home!"
Emily gave a little squeal of glee and Michael looked made of stone, taking this loss with his standard coldness.
>"HOWEVER..." he said, projecting power into the word and silencing all who had begun to argue about the result.
>"We will not invest heaven's resources or knowledge into this endeavor."
>"What?!" Emily cried, shocked.
>"The denizens of Tarturus shall not be trusted with the knowledge of the Heavens! On this, me and Sera agree. Instead, we shall render aid in securing Hell's stability and discouraging it to become a threat. We shall take careful watch over what is happening down there, and ensure that the Morningstar girl's rule is stable.
>"This council is dismissed. I thank all for your attendance. "
>Adam and Lute filed out with the crowd, and waited outside the council building for Michael.
>They waited a lot longer than they thought they really should have needed to, but eventually Michael did appear.
>Adam was almost too scared to ask for the honoring of his favor, however...
>Michael was... righteous fury barely contained. His fists clenched, teeth gritted so hard Adam heard them creak against each other, arms shaking with the desire to cause violence, eyes wide with incredulous, furious hatred.
>"H-Hey... Michael uh... about the deal...?"
>For a moment, he thought the archangel was about to literally rip him limb from limb right there, but then, as if closing on a singularity, Michael took a deep, long breath, relaxed himself, and returned to his resting blank expression.
>"I will go and find this woman." he said. "As you have asked."
>Adam called after him as he flew away. "Hey, dude! I know its not ideal but... there's always a chance at another vote!"
>Michael stopped. He didn't look back, but Adam heard his words just the same.
>"That is not why I am upset." he stated, before continuing to fly away.
>Adam had just arrived home, and Alastor was in the front lawn, reading a book quietly under a tree.
>He looked up as they came home, and waved. "So? Did you find her?"
>Adam shrugged. "The guy I know is going to find her now... you should be able to meet her soon... are you ready?"
>Alastor took a deep breath, and looked at himself. He was wearing his red coat and slacks, back in his usual attire after so long. H wanted to look his best, after all...
>He nodded. "I am."
>They sat there under the tree, and talked for a long time. Alastor sharing stories of him and his mother, in his childhood, what he would do at school, how she took him out as often as she was able, when they took a boat cruise around the bayou and saw gators, or when they would go camping in the woods and he first learned how to appreciate the beauty of nature...
>"...I'll never forget the first time we saw a doe and his mom in the woods outside of town..." he said softly. "I remember looking at him and telling her "Look mom! They're just like us..."
>His eyes went down. "I wish I hadn't died when I did... but, its ok!" he put on his best smile. "Haha, we'll meet again now, and all will be as it should have been."
>There was a voice at the gate, and Adam went over to see a man there with a woman.
>Michael had sent his Faithsworn's "Senior Centurion" over, a blessed mortal soul who had gone to heaven, named Constantine. Adam had seen the guy a few times at parties and get-together's before. Apparently he had been some king in that "Roman Empire" a few thousand years back. He wore a Lorica Segmentata plated in gold, and a golden and ruby studded plumed helmet, and at his side, was a graceful, beautiful woman with dark brown hair and bright hazel eyes, wearing a simple but elegant red and pink dress, looking up at him expectantly. She had Alastor's broad, happy smile, but without the smugness or predatorial nature he so often gave off.
>"This is the woman you requested found for you. Michael says that the deal is done." he nodded to Alastor's mother. "I trust you can find your way back to Heaven proper, my lady?" he asked.
>She nodded. "Thank you sir!"
>He gave a slight bow to her, then to Adam. "Good day to you both." he said before marching off, as rigid and formal as ever.
>"So, whats this about Mr. First Man?" she asked in a soft southern accent, as he led her inside.
>"Well..." Adam didn't really know how to explain this... "I have someone here I think you'd like to see." he said.
>He lead her through the garden to the little clearing with the tree, where Alastor sat waiting, alone. Lute evidently had gone back in the house, not wanting to intrude on this moment.
>Adam thought that was probably a good idea. "Miss, this is your son... Alastor." he said, indicating the tall deer man in the red pinstripe suit. The woman's eyes widened in shock as she stared at the Radio Demon. "Alastor...? What... whats happened to you, my boy..." she whispered in shock.
>"I'll give you two some alone time..." Adam said, leaving. He went back into his estate and watched from the window as they talked. Alastor's mother had her back to the window as they were talking, so Adam read the conversation through Alastor's expression. First nervous excitement, then shame, hurt, and crestfallen regret as his mother pointed an accusing finger at him and shouted. She stormed off towards the gate an Adam followed, knowing it clearly had gone very poorly.
>"Hey, wait, where you goin'? Don't you want to-"
>"That thing is a monster..." she spat at him. "He is not my son. Not anymore... what he did out there, is unforgivable. He doesn't belong here."
>With that she slammed the gate and stormed off, leaving Adam to turn and watch Alastor sadly sit down at the side of the duck pond, and weep.
>Lute went over to him and looked down with sorrow, truly feeling for the poor, broken soul. He might have been a wretched sinner but he was a charming guy and a good cook, and nice when you got to know him...
>Adam sat down to one side, Lute to the other, and they each put a hand on his shoulder. They stayed that way for some time... until finally Lute said. "You might be damned, but... I think you're alright."
>Adam nodded. "You'll always have a place with us."
>Top 3
>Hell's Greatest Dad
This is where the show shines imo, visually, vocally, character-wise. There's a reason it's the most viewed on YouTube and the one I listen to the most
>You Didn't Know
This is the moment I had the strongest Broadway feeling from the show; the opening vocals + piano gave me chills, and the key changes really work unlike in a lot of the other songs. I think this would be the song I'd recommend my theatregay friends if I wanted to get them into the show
>More Than Anything
Two pure sexo voices singing in harmony, gorgeous visuals. The most tonally consistent of all the songs and pleasant to listen to on its own
Worst 3
>Ready for This
Brought the pacing to a screeching halt, was ultimately unnecessary, inconsequential, and forgettable
>Welcome to Heaven
Not like it's bad or anything, it's just short and a bit forgettable
>Whatever It Takes
Again, two absolute pure sexo voices, and it's good to listen to on its own, but it brought the pacing to a halt when it came up in the show
Unpopular opinion: Poison is catchy and the vocal performance in the last lines bumps it up to high tier for me. It's probably the one that gets stuck in my head the most
Unrelatedly, I hate the decision to make Vaggie's singing voice so high (mezzo-soprano? full-on soprano?) when her speaking voice is so low, it's jarring
Whatever It Takes just straight up should have been cut, or reworked as a Vaggie solo song. I know we need to find out early on that Carmilla killed an angel, but revealing why she did it in her first appearance just weakened the impact of her telling Vaggie later. Should've bundled Carmilla's motives and the reveal of how she killed the angel into one revelation late in the season and kept her mysterious until then. It would've made her teaching Vaggie how to kill angels on both a practical and emotional level at the same time feel more significant. As is, Carmilla's entire character is just dropped on us early and she doesn't get any development in her second appearance, she serves purely as exposition then.
I like the idea that Alastor's MO in life was similarly stealthy to his early days in Hell, no one figured out it was him and most of his victims couldn't identify him. By the time he announced what he was doing he was untouchable to any of the lower sinners.
>Nobody pumps the batmobile's tires
Alfred does that shit.
Ok but even as a kid I was wondering how the Circle of Life works if all the animals can talk and understand each other. Lions eat the gazelles but do the gazelles plead for their lives? And the lions strike them down anyways because if they don't eat they'll die? [Spoiler] God has so much to answer for [/spoiler]
I accept this, but I'm like 99% sure Alfred pumps the Batmobile's tires. Besides, it's pretty satisfying when you ask some random bullshit question a story doesn't need to bother having an answer for, and there actually turns out to be one. Doesn't need to happen but I enjoy when it does.
>Alastor's MO in life was similarly stealthy to his early days in Hell, no one figured out it was him and most of his victims couldn't identify him.
Btw what about New Orleans Axeman? If Al was local, he could be influenced by this
Do Cinemaphileners get automatically denied entrance to Vivzie's Hell
Slightly different take: What song(s) have you cried to the most?
>Chasing Rainbows.
They won.
Hey, moron? Go read the Bible again, because I'm pretty sure you missed both the Old and New Testaments. Sin is an all or nothing kind of deal. You either get repentance and forgiveness while still acknowledging your sinful nature, or you can waste your time hiding behind your own piety while denying the fact that any volume of good works and "pureness" on your own merit won't be enough. Hazbin has it way wrong from the beginning by showing that someone can be saved by just not being as bad as someone else (among many other things). All of what you're saying is random jargon created by you and supported exclusively by you. And if the Bible isn't your source, then stop citing it.
Nice cherrypicking, but since you're presenting me the alternative of believing your word over God's own writing, I'll opt out of caring what you have to say. Go ask what the book thinks about false prophets, praising yourself, and leading believers astray, John the Autist.
you are not matpat
Adam is not Jesus
earth is hell
sinners are people
how the frick do you fail so hard at understanding what the frick is going on in the show?
>sinners are people
Not anymore. They're target practice.
Based!
you really don't get this show at all.
isn't that a hellborn or whatever?
It has to be a sinner even though it doesn't really seem right that a kid would be in hell (what did he do? Steal?). If it's a hellborn Vaggie was contractually obligated not to kill him and shouldn't have been punished. But maybe Lute was looking for an excuse
earth is literally hell and sinners are literally people. everyone with a holy spirit is dead in the flesh yet alive by the holy spirit. these are just basic b***h facts of old school Christianity which the show is generally portraying.
see
Viv liked a tweet guessing they were sinners so I guess they're sinners
>why do they all look like that
Idk. Angel's family is spiders because of "web of crime" so maybe the mask look is something all cannibals get. Or like Angel they're all actually a big clan/distantly related. Or Rosie has something to do with it.
>there are kids in hell?
Well. He was a cannibal.
The only way that scene makes sense is if that’s a dead kid
Or a dead gremlin adult cannibal Vaggie only thought was a kid.
Lost.
Won.
ACK
You won't be laughing after your wife pegs you, devil.
Lute needs to learn love.
She already did from Adam.
Vile and blasphemous.
She's gonna be Charlie and Vaggie plaything, and then Val's and She's gonna like it
Lute has every right to kill blasphemous prostitutes like Vaggie
Lil' Darkie 8
30 shut the frick up
31 no one wanna hear you talk
32 homie, shut the frick up
33 why you talkin' all that shit
34 homie, shut the frick up
35 you a hatin'-ass b***h
36 homie, shut the frick up
New chart just dropped
At the same time?
Of course
The only correct chart.
I don’t need this, I only ship Vox and me but not romantically only for sex.
>I'm being subjected to the the "heroic Michael vs the villain Charlie" fanfic on here and /trash
>One who is like god
You brought it upon yourself hellspawn
>filename
lol Michael's gonna be a dinky little twink like all of the other men in this show. he and Lucifer are probably gonna be exes.
I'd hoped the editorial and production value A24 brought would make discussion of Hazbin better than other Vivzie products
It's so so much worse
>villain Charlie
Who said that she's a villian? Desperate times demand drastic measures.
I wish there would be less bound to good-evil dualism and adopt more utilitarian morality.
>"heroic Michael vs the villain Charlie"
Writegay here, thats not even close to what this is dude lol
Sorry you don't like it.
Tbh it's quite an interesting concept, Charlie's more of a Brave New World type ruler but not as evil.
blame the shitty parents. If we make it so that everything is appropriate for babies then nothing will be worth watching. If parents cant police their spawn then they should consider sudoku.
I'm beginning to wonder how much we can blame the technology. Getting past Amazon Prime is as simple as setting parental controls on the account.
When I was a kid it was that darn dirty "Halo" game with the violent guns that every kid wanted their hands on and it was a matter of tricking or guilting your parents into getting it for you. It was a game to learn to bypass parental controls, knowing which friends family wouldn't catch you during which show, or getting around whatever else they tried to set up to watch the raunchy tv they didn't want you seeing.
I feel like how angry I should be at the parents depends entirely on whether or not Gen Alpha have similar tricks like our generations did.
it would be funny if Adam comes back to life in hell and has to bend the knee to Chrarlie and beg for forgiveness
Like thats the obvious move right adam is a resident of the hotel and has to eat shit?
Sex?
>Alastor snapped his fingers in the Pilot and dressed Vaggie up as Susan
that's how he regards her
That's perfectly understandable since she acted like a total b***h as they met the first time.
Maybe he'll warm up for her or maybe she'll learn to trust the guy. Without going full Vaggastor.
Jokes on Alastor. I like Susan.
https://www.tumblr.com/theroselens/742841320912125952/this-is-my-headcanon-for-what-happened-while-rosie?source=share
Charlastor
Why are women like this? They clearly have a pseudo father/daughter relationship. Why do women want to frick their dads so badly?
That or just self inserting as the MC, classic case
they are not father/daughter.
Charlie is older than him until proven otherwise. And her relationship with her real father is fine at the end of season 1. She doesn't need a pseudo father.
Alastor just matches her taste in men perfectly as described by the creator.
They're just self-inserting but still images like
are so fricking funny. If Alastor somehow got a chick pregnant he'd find a way to sneakily shove her down some stairs.
Alastor probably can't even get it up. He's a true ace. Man would sooner neuter himself than nut
Alastor doesn't have a dick.
Alastair has a wiener which drips cum as I smash his prostate
>He doesn't get it
Ngmi
>wow how could women possibly be attracted to a man who provides and protects like a father but isn't genetically related to her
Lol. Lmao even.
>implying this is unique to women
Most men essentially want to marry their moms. The whole dynamic of having a woman who will take care of all your needs when you get home (feed you, clothe you, do your laundry and house work) except you can also frick her is steeped in oedipal subtext
>The whole dynamic of having a woman who will take care of all your needs is steeped in oedipal subtext
It's steeped in basic evolutionary biology because a woman like that is also an ideal mother to your own children. Women want protectors, men want nurturers, and anything else is a moronic fetish where you usually end up playing yourself.
>it's evolution!!
The concept of a nuclear family is relatively new and entirely astroturfed
Braindead take. As if ancient men wouldn't sexually select for a woman who could raise their offspring of maturity. Literally moronic post congratulations
As if ancient women didn't also participate in gathering. As if ancient children weren't communally raised rather than raised by two parents alone.
You are genuinely moronic and uneducated. The nuclear family is a new concept. Go read a fricking book on human civilization.
They are correct. Nuclear family is very new. Traditional many generations would live together in a household and child rearing was done in groups
No one is talking about nuclear families except you. A selfless mother will always outperform a selfish mother regardless of family structure. A more traditional family with several generations under one roof only amplifies the benefit.
Women would also want nurturers by this logic. Wanting a bang mommy is a sign of immaturity
There's a reason what you posted is fanart and what we got is picrel. Women want daddy to protect them, everything else is cope
My pic wasn't meant to be an argument. The topic was mommies so I posted mommy joke.
Plus you know the mommy issues in this show will be far bigger than Charlie's faux daddy issues
Wanting a woman who dominates you and makes others play fair with you (i.e. being mothered by a spouse) is immature, I agree. Wanting a woman who's capable of doing that for your children is just normal.
>it was basic nature then we wouldn't be in the state we're in now the second you give women the freedom to choose.
If women were happier in the current social order, it would be reflected in stats. Instead, by almost every metric, women are more depressed, lonely, etc. now. You blame sex-based roles throughout basically all of human history on cultural indoctrination, yet you discount the possibility that we're still subject to getting memed into something that goes against our own interests. Social contagion is a hell of a drug.
>As if ancient women didn't also participate in gathering.
Of course they did; early civilization was a matter of everyone pitching in to survive. But look. If a woman's talents as a gatherer or farmer were all that important in mate selection, men would be out there swooning over women shopping for produce. Instead, they go gaga for women cuddling puppies and baking pies. As you mentioned, everyone had to contribute work outside the home in hunter-gatherer/agrarian societies. But because of the communal nature of that work, a woman's individual skill in the fields mattered less than her attentiveness toward her own kids.
You sound moronic. If it was basic nature then we wouldn't be in the state we're in now the second you give women the freedom to choose. You've basically been grooming women into thinking they want this for centuries and it still didn't take.
Women call any desired behavior that isn't effectively lusting after a teenage girl as the man "wanting their mom"
>Hey I just paid off the mortgage and put down payments on two of our cars can you cook din-WHAT AM I YOUR MOM?!
They do get upset when the woman is physically young instead of just mentally young. Manchild is a thing but woman child isn't because the child on the end is redundant.
>man: I make all the money and I own all our "shared" assets. In exchange you will do all household chores and raise our children and do all the shopping, planning etc. Unlike my job, you are on call 24/7 and I will not help maintain the house at all. However, I will control all finances and watch anything you do with my credit card. You can't hold me accountable to anything because you have no leverage. If I decide to screw around, make bastards and frick younger women you will have a hell of a time leaving me because you have no money or work experience and you will be saddled with still doing all the childcare without my income and I'll frick around paying alimony all the time.
Sounds like a raw deal. I'd rather take his job and stay single then be a captive broodmare made to grovel for raising his kids.
>>man: I make all the money and I own all our "shared" assets. In exchange you will do all household chores and raise our children and do all the shopping, planning etc. Unlike my job, you are on call 24/7 and I will not help maintain the house at all. However, I will control all finances and watch anything you do with my credit card. You can't hold me accountable to anything because you have no leverage. If I decide to screw around, make bastards and frick younger women you will have a hell of a time leaving me because you have no money or work experience and you will be saddled with still doing all the childcare without my income and I'll frick around paying alimony all the time.
Sounds like the average man women pick.
>Manchild is a thing but woman child isn't because the child on the end is redundant.
Well yeah, that's why the phrase "women and children" is so common
By the time I was old enough to find things arousing my mom was in her mid fifties so I never had this issue.
Not really relevant since Alastor does NOT view Charlie as a daughter. That was just him scrambling for ways to make Lucifer angry.
He was going to act the part of Charlie's boyfriend and just slightly had to change tactics.
This. Up to the point where Vaggie gets introduced to Lucifer, Alastor was flirting with Charlie in a way that she wouldn't get but knew that Lucifer would. The sound design even plays tension violins when Al rests his hand on her shoulder and Lucifer immediately growls.
>He was going to act the part of Charlie's boyfriend and just slightly had to change tactics.
He was not you fricking rancid liars
He likes asserting himself over Charlie and doesn't want anyone else having her attention. He achieves this in various ways. Like constantly touching her.
Charboob
I wish I could get a poster of this but apparently there is shit all for merch available for the show.
these Charlastor outfits?
He has no third hand, man.
I understand why some people may love this dress on Charlie. I don't like it, the Penance dress was better.
Tuxedo Al is alright
I just think Charlie and Alastor are the one true Hazbin pairing, bro
Sisters, where we dropping?
homies aren't going to convince me men want to frick someone like their mom based off like two male-desired behaviors versus the spreadsheet of shit women write up for their male partner that is basically just the job description of their father.
>OP: what are your favorite songs?
>End of thread: mom-fricking discussions
Kek, I didn't mean to derail. I just can't stand pseuds chalking everything up to Elektra/Oedipus complexes when there's a pretty normal reason why anyone might want to to bang Luci or Al and self-inserts as Charlie to do it. At least we were already past bump limit.
Where off to next?
Best
>Hell is Forever
>Loser Baby
>Poison
Worst
>It Starts With Sorry
>Welcome To Heaven
>Do It for Love
(Can't remember the name of Vaggie/Carmilla one either)
I actually like some aspects of Carmilla's songs but man the lyrics hurt, it isn't the structure or visuals but the writing. Her and Velvette are hot as frick though, Velvette was just fine in lyrics but Carmilla sounds like a Latina boomer with lyrics written by a millennial trying to write a "wise boomer.
Also, Vaggie's backstory got so fricked from what was implied in original that it hurts. In general it is like the show speedruns shit that would be important and then glacially pace through uninteresting bits.
>Carmilla sounds like a Latina boomer with lyrics written by a millennial trying to write a "wise boomer"
That's one of the weak points of the lyrics/dialogue in general. Fricking Alastor dropping "the TV is buffering" and "that's the tea" [fingernail painting emoji] snapped me right out of immersion. I get that historical/period accuracy isn't a priority, but I wish they'd had some boomers and/or people who actually read period fiction nitpick their scripts. I have serious concerns for Zestial if he ever has to deliver more than a handful of simple sentences in an episode.
>I said no
>And now he's broke
>So what's the score?
Trying to find 1930's slang to go with the song.
It would be interesting to see a properly boomered up version (well, pre-boomer but you know what I mean) of the songs. Like the inverse of the horrifying zoomer/alpha edits. Someone mentioned that one of the foreign dubs did that for all the songs including making Respectless less socmed jargon dependant. Wish I could recall the language.
The tea line was a continuation from the sugar and cream line, so it's clever wordplay on its own, but they were so concerned with being clever that they kind of ignored that it doesn't fit the character. There was certainly a more in-character way to be clever and deliver the same message.
>ever fricked a cat before?
Anyone have a good OC to share?
Someone tried and nannies pruned it right away. Annoying because I have AU art to share
>nannies
Jannies but same thing I guess