Just watched this, wtf

How can we justify killing and eating animals now? We don’t need to eat them to survive anymore so this doesn’t need to happen

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    have a nice day.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They taste good

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Veal is delicious

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you don't eat the right amount of meat and dairy, of course combined with fiber/beans, your crust won't develop properly. To get a nice aromatic layer of crust, consuming animal products is necessary. Otherwise, it just flakes off and has too smooth of a texture.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just had a bacon cheeseburger for lunch. It was delicious. How about you guys?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Im on a quest to find the best mushroom swiss burger. So far, smashburger is the winner

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any argument for veganism that doesn't boil down to emotional blackmail?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes it’s very simple
      >Killing or harming a living creature is wrong unless done as an absolute necessity (ie survival, self preservation)
      >We do not need to kill animals for food as we no longer need to eat animals for survival
      >Therefore killing animals is wrong

      If you disagree with point 1 you are a sociopath who also has to defend bestiality, people who wantonly kill animals for fun, someone who tortures a puppy for fun, etc

      If you disagree with 2 you are factually incorrect because virtually every nutrient acquired from meat can also be acquired, fairly easily, from a non-animal source

      It isn’t emotional blackmail, it’s about being logically consistent.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If you disagree with point 1 you are a sociopath who also has to defend bestiality, people who wantonly kill animals for fun, someone who tortures a puppy for fun, etc
        yes animals are less than humans. who gives a shit?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So you defend bestiality, torturing puppies for fun, getting rid of all animal cruelty laws, etc. That makes you a textbook example of a sociopath

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So you defend bestiality, torturing puppies for fun, getting rid of all animal cruelty laws, etc. That makes you a textbook example of a sociopath
            k thats cool. i also hope you dont own a phone or clothes and buy every single thing you own american made because otherwise some jeet living in india or chinese kid is making your shit.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your existence on this earth as a human being causes untold damage to the environment, other species, and other humans. Thus, the most ethical action would be to have a nice day.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I want to kill a chicken to eat it
            >It means you want to rape puppies
            Are you a bad actor for vegans or just really stupid?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >eating a hamburger is the same as raping a dog
        Compelling

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If you disagree with 2 you are factually incorrect because virtually every nutrient acquired from meat can also be acquired, fairly easily, from a non-animal source
        This is irrelevant and also completely untrue besides. Why lie vegangay?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >living creature
        Define living creature then. If there's no difference between killing a pig on a farm and killing a human, then there's no difference between killing a farm animal and a bug. And if there's no difference between killing a bug and an animal, then there's no difference between killing a bug and a bacteria. And if you ever washed your hands with soap you killed gazillions of them btw. Be logically consistent.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A living creature has a central nervous system and is capable of feeling pain and suffering similar to how we can

          If you’re going to say “b-b-but plants feel pain too!” then I’m going to ask you if stepping on a flower is morally equivalent to stomping on a puppy.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Absolutely. Why do you make the puppy distinction anyway when the modern practice of having pets is equivalent to psychological torture.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Yep stepping on a blade of grass is the same as beating a dog to death with your bare hands
              >Yep raising a dog in a mutually beneficial relationship is the same as killing them for food
              Why do meatbros think like this? The logic is extremely simple with no mental gymnastics required
              >Do you think harming or killing a puppy unnecessarily is wrong
              >If yes, then you should go vegan because we don’t need to eat animals to survive anymore so we are harming them unnecessarily
              >If no, you are a sociopath
              You don’t have to go through these mental gymnastics arguing that cutting grass is the same as beating a dog with a brick. Just stop eating steak.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're going through the mental gymnastics of equating the eating of animals with the senseless beating of them with bricks
                hypocrite

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nice deflection homosexual. Your premise was whether stomping on a flower and stomping on a puppy were equivalent. Then you yeeted the goalposts to comparing stomping on a flower to physically and sadistically torturing a puppy. Pathological shit on you part. By the way keeping a pet in a city is in no way ethical just like you would argue that keeping humans locked up in the evil prison system is unethical.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh okay, so if you peel a banana, is that morally equivalent to peeling the skin off a dog? If you cut grass with a sickle is that the same as slicing a dog open with a knife?

                You know how moronic your position sounds so you try to argue over pointless minutiae. No one on the planet thinks killing a plant and killing a dog is the same, you are only taking this absurd position to avoid looking like a hypocrite because you know your position is indefensible

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                False equivalence. You got anything better?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it literally depends on the moral system you choose to apply, you monoamine-deficient self-flagellating sanctimonious prick
                you're stood there literally claiming to speak for everyone on the planet
                your argument that "plant life is of course so much less valuable than the lives of mammals" is tarred somewhat by the fact that you, yourself, are a mammal; of course you have that inherent bias to think yourself so much higher, it doesn't make it true
                we have no idea what it's like to be a plant; they're so alien that you don't even give them the benefit of the doubt
                mushrooms speak!
                the whole forest is alive and rings out with plant communication beyond the limits of our dull senses!
                this is scientific fact

                when I eat a salad with my steak, I'm no less thankful for the sacrifice of the plants than I am for the sacrifice of the cow
                it's disgusting you don't hold all life as equally sacred, whilst claiming your position as the one of superlatively morals
                you're a monster

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >then I’m going to ask you if stepping on a flower is morally equivalent to stomping on a puppy.
            its not, just like stomping on a puppy is not equivalent to stomping on a human child

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Plants are living creatures, so why you don't just do us a favor and have a nice day?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >virtually

        With a single word you've torpedoed your entire argument.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ... anon asked for a version WITHOUT emotional blackmail

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be me, Documentary bro
    >Watch Dominion after watching Earthlings
    >Sad.jpeg
    >Get hungry
    >Go to muh kitchen and cook a nice cheeseburger in a cast iron skillet with bacon fat
    >mfw the burger is better than both docs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How do you clean your skillet? Like I know I’m not supposed to use soap and water on cast iron but I’m always worried about giving myself food poisoning or something from the residue

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How can we justify killing and eating animals now?
    they taste good and they deserve it (negative karma led to the person being reborn as a livestock animal to be killed)
    by engaging with the factory farming industry, we are participating in samsara
    the wicked must be punished in the cycle

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      enjoy being reborn as a cow next lifetime bud

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if that is my karma so be it, we are all on the same journey
        if I need to learn something by being a cow and being farmed and butchered, then I will learn it

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who cares. Life is meaningless. Life itself is a complete accident, a byproduct of evolution. Animals have no sapience. They suffer much worse fates in the wild, in excruciating pain and suffering.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They suffer much worse fates in the wild, in excruciating pain and suffering.
      So why induce more suffering than you need to?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not that anon but i decided to defend him against you midwits

        >So why induce more suffering than you need to?
        Pain is a stimulant, you should be so blessed as to experience it, lest you live a whole life is mediocrity and fear

        >nihilistic seething from a (hopefully) teenaged edge anime homosexual
        You'll grow up buddy, it will be better.

        >nihilistic seething from a (hopefully) teenaged edge anime homosexual
        >You'll grow up buddy, it will be better.
        Every boy is on the path of thorns to manhood, chastising the repercussions of youthful introspection is the sign of jealousy and self-loathing

        >Life is meaningless. Life itself is a complete accident, a byproduct of evolution
        sad. this is what public schooling does to one's spirituality. get saved

        >sad. this is what public schooling does to one's spirituality. get saved
        Begging another man to be saved? Give up your anus, it's no longer yours

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Reddit to the rescue. I wish I could give you gold on this platform kind sir.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Pain is a stimulant
          What?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nihilistic seething from a (hopefully) teenaged edge anime homosexual
      You'll grow up buddy, it will be better.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Life is meaningless. Life itself is a complete accident, a byproduct of evolution
      sad. this is what public schooling does to one's spirituality. get saved

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You did not "just watch this" you've made this exact thread dozens of times and you get btfo in the thread each time

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the term "factory farming" it's the factory part that's triggering you aesthetically not the farm part. Factories suck ass. Why build a hell around you? For a bit more shekels? Fricking morons.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How can we justify killing and eating animals now
    they taste good
    simple as

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unless a vegetarian turns up to a slaughterhouse and offers themselves as a replacement for one of the cows, I just assume they're virtue signalling.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MEAT AND POTATOES!
    MEAT AND POTATOES!

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there really a 100% vegan diet that will maintain/promote health just as well as an omnivorous diet? I'm doubtful. And even if there is, how difficult, expensive and time consuming would it be to prepare and eat?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only things vegans need from animals that they normally cannot obtain from food are vitamin B12 and to some degree vitamin D

      B12 can easily be obtained from a supplement, D can be obtained from sunlight (or supplements)

      Everything else is a matter of gitting gud and being smart

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >easily be obtained from a supplement (or supplements)
        I read that those supplements do more harm than good.
        If you're not getting the right nutrition from your diet, you just pop a few pills? Sounds like you're asking for trouble, you noodle-armed sprout sniffing cow shagger.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s two supplements. B12 and D. You’re acting like this is some arcane sorcery, you do realize that most foods in developed countries are fortified anyways, right? And this isn’t including the growth hormones and antibiotics the meat industry relies on

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And even if there is, how difficult, expensive and time consuming would it be to prepare and eat?
      thats the issue with veganism. you have to be an actual cook. even the shittiest ground beef, you can slap on the pan with some veggies and salt, and itd taste fine. you cant do the same with tofu or mushroom or whatever the frick, you have to buy twenty different ingreidents just to make the sauce to make it taste good, actually know how to cook the mushroom and tofu well just to make it taste edible. compare the fricking concoction to prepare tofu and putting down some oil on a pan and throwing in the ground beef with some salt.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In terms of price a vegan diet is not much more expensive than a non-vegan diet. Meat actually tends to be more expensive

      Depending on where you live and what you’re making you may need to know how to cook. Because not all places have convenient vegan dishes and if you want to make a vegan alternative to a non-vegan dish you have to understand the ingredients that are used

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know about a vegan diet but becoming a vegetarian literally cut my grocery bill in half

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nooo you can't eat food in a way that you enjoy you have to eat food in a way that I enjoy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love bastardizing ethnic food because of this. For example, I like to wrap Indian curry in tortillas. It's delicious AND it makes shitskins seethe.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mediterranean diet > Pescaterian diet > Meat based diet > vegeterian diet >>> vegan 'diet'

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pescatarian and mediterraean are basically equal.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, I'm not the one killing animals. I will eat whatever is available, and even though meat is important to nutrition I can have it ocassionally. I don't even but a lot of it/don't eat out often because beef is expensive. If the store stops carrying meat that wouldn't be much of a problem.

    So why do vegans think the consumer is the problem? Why don't they sabotage the producer? Why don't they convince them to sell less? Why doesn't the producer decide to take less profits?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because even if you aren’t directly killing the animal you are funding an industry that kills the animal. You make the act of killing the animal profitable and incentivize it to continue

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You are funding an industry
        I am not funding anything, I am buying the things I need, I act with moderation and that doesn't imply others act with moderation. If the industry is so wrong how is the blame on the consumer and not on the producer? How would you even enforce the consumer to stop buying things while doing nothing about the producer? If everyone stopped buying meat that doesn't stop the producer to just keep raising and killing cows for the rich or just for the heck of it.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    stay the frick away from my steak

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Best I can do is vegetarian. But that's not enough for vegans so why would I even bother doing that?

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    farming crops for vegetarian diets kills billions/trillions of small animals every year, but vegans say they don't count because they aren't large and fuzy with big watery eyes they can capture on film

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      First of all the amount of animals actually killed through farming is greatly exaggerated and mostly based off of reports on Australian field mice extrapolated to apply to all farms. Secondly you have to farm far more crops and use up far more land to raise animals for slaughter, so I don’t understand how this is an argument. Veganism is about killing as few animals as possible and doing it only out of necessity

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it's okay because its less animals and they are small

        You're beyond moronic, eating meat kills way more small animals, the vast majority of crop production goes towards feeding livestock

        >it's okay because its less animals and they are small

        huh? but you have to farm crops to feed animals too, so by your logic it's still better than eating animals

        >it's okay because its less animals and they are small

        curious...what do you think animals in farm eat? do you know how many livestocks there are compared to human?

        >it's okay because its less animals and they are small

        typical vegan hypocrisy and stupidity, it's all about morality policing with these people

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          human have to eat. what's wrong with minimizing the damage as much as we can? do you have any logical counterpoints at all?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you claim it's damage, but that's a false premise you desperately want me to accept
            animals have no rights and it doesn't matter if they get farmed as food
            you don't have a point to begin with, because anybody can simply discard your insistence that animals feelings matter, as nonsense

            your entire ideology is based on that false premise, which is only your opinion

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >crops farming for food
              vs
              >animal husbandry that is insanely damaging to the environment/consuming vast resources, which also requires a metric frickton of crops farming to feed those animals + regular crops farming for food
              which one is worse?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                false-dichotomy

                humans have to eat. and there is a middle ground. only kids go to the extreme during a debate.

                this isn't a debate, I'm just calling you out for being a moronic communist homosexual

                Know this: I will personally murder you if you come onto my property and try some dumb shit like freeing my chickens or goats, and then I'll feed your corpse to my neighbor down the road's pigs.

                You won't risk your life to do that, because you understand IMPLICITLY that your life is more valuable than my livestock. You know it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                huh of course survival trumps everything else? did anyone ever argue that? you can't say anything logical so you are trying to twist the opposition to the extreme end to make it easier for yourself? is that your strategy? so childish

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if you don't care enough to sacrifice your very life, you shouldn't care at all
                >if you can't solve all the problem in the world perfectly, you shouldn't do anything at all
                I know Cinemaphile is moronic but this is a new low

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >what's wrong with minimizing the damage as much as we can?
            why are you not growing your own food and living off the grid right now? your participation in industrial society is a giant logical inconsistency if you want to pretend youre not as crazy as the rest of us.
            >its too le hard
            land is dirt cheap in america, you can save for years while living in your parents house to buy the land necessary. pick anywhere on the east coast, theres lots of places.

            you wont because you like to pretend being a vegan doesnt make you as crazy as the rest of us.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, it’s not or else honey would be vegan. Why do leftoids always lie about their beliefs?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're beyond moronic, eating meat kills way more small animals, the vast majority of crop production goes towards feeding livestock

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      huh? but you have to farm crops to feed animals too, so by your logic it's still better than eating animals

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      curious...what do you think animals in farm eat? do you know how many livestocks there are compared to human?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You've been posting this same dumb shit for years. Are you israeli?

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How can we justify killing and eating animals now? We don’t need to eat them to survive anymore so this doesn’t need to happen

    This, we need to immediately ban all leftists from the use of any and all animal based products, from gas to medicines.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we're not going to eat you anymore
    >but we still have to kill you cause you'll decimate the environment lol

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would have been a lot more efficient if humans evolved to survive off plants alone, but we unfortunately did not. We are crazy chimps that diversified their diets and therefore need a lot of different types of food to be optimally healthy. Other animals can naturally produce a lot of the vitamins that we need to get from other sources. It's moronic. Hopefully gene editing will fix it in the future.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like meat

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and no, humans don't have to eat
    you can choose to self terminate in order to stop harming animals, but you won't, because you know you're more important than the animals that die while the resources you consume are gathered

    you know it, you accept it, you move on with your life...just like me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      humans have to eat. and there is a middle ground. only kids go to the extreme during a debate.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Meat eaters argue like literal women to justify their cruelty

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you don't give a shit about any of this, you just want to feel morally superior to other people
        that much is obvious

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you know what the carbon footprint of the average American is over their lifetime?
    If you genuinely want to help, you know what to do.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They would kill and eat you.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all the poor brown people of the world shouldn't have access to cheap animal protein anymore, because it makes me personally feel bad

    vegans are evil and racist
    western societies reaped the benefits of cheap animal protein for centuries, and now that other societies are catching up those very same racists want to turn the resource off, typical white people shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >vegans are evil and racist
      And that's a good thing. Everyone should be evil and racist. The less people live on Earth, the happier the remaining people will be, and they should keep it that way.

      >Noo but muh equality!
      Obsolete train of thought made up by nobles and bourgeoise for nobles and bourgeoise. Equality works as long as only nobles and bourgeoise are included. The rest of shit people are biomass, they are egotistical, immeasurable, they don't give a shit about anything but survival and pleasure. They are an obstacle if we plan on leaving anything for the next man down the line timewise.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >We don’t need to eat them to survive
    maybe you don't

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >see a torn apart animal on the way to the supermarket
    >"ew, gross, gore"
    >look at the meat section in the supermarket
    >"oh, yummy"
    explain this

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its the difference of seeing things when they are in their proper, accustomed place (meat aisle in the supermarket) or in the wrong, unusual location (roadkill etc.).

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like it when the animal died with stress. I prefer the taste and feel of it. I also want my chickens closed range, the smaller space they have to move around, the better.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    now? what day of history did vegetarianism become an axiomatic moral absolute for every human, everywhere in the world?

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    vegans insist that animal suffering matters, but they cannot actually prove that animal suffering matters

    if it was obvious it would be obvious, but its not, to the vast majority of the population of the world for all of history

    so, they need to prove it and show why animal suffering matters

    please do so now in this thread

    and....go

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Suffering matters regardless of species. It's something that every decent person accepts, to a certain extent.

      There are laws against causing unnecessary suffering to cats, dogs and so on. Namely because they tend to be domesticated household animals, but partly because people recognise that they have the capacity to suffer and that unnecessary suffering is a moral wrong.

      Your argument about "vast majority of the population" commits to a basic logical fallacy, namely an appeal to authority: you are justifying inflicting unnecessary suffering on animals because the status quo has allowed it historically. This, if applied to other topics, would allow marital rape, slavery, child labour etc to be considered acceptable today.

      If someone informed you there was something behind a curtain in front of you. It could be a plant, a cow, an elderly human being, a rock, a table, etc. You are then told that this something will be hit very hard, because doing so will cause a transitory experience of pleasure to a person in another room. You have the say in deciding whether the violent strike will be permitted to take place.

      What would you consider to be important when considering what is behind the curtain? Does it simply have to be "not human" for you to consider the act to be morally permissible? If not, where is the line drawn? A basic threshold, in my opinion, would be that something's capacity to experience suffering, be it a pain sensation or the frustration or termination of its wants and desires. In this case, allowing a table to be violent hit, or a baseball, or a flower, would be acceptable. But to violently strike a cat, or a dog, or a pig, or a horse, would be to inflict serious suffering on a being which has the capacity to suffer (e.g., it possesses a nervous system) for the sake of allowing someone a transitory pleasure experience.

      Ultimately, it is up to you whether you take these things seriously.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Plants have a will and they suffer, it just doesn't register on an emotional level with you so you don't care. This demonstrates that the vegan appeal is a selfish one, not about what other life feels.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Plants lack any nervous system or brain. There is no evidence to suggest they are capable of suffering.

          /x/-tier arguments like this are a sign that you don't actually want to confront the issue on logical terms.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're just flat out wrong and delusional. Their nervous systems even use some of the same signalling chemicals our brains do.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have chicken.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People conveniently ignore the fact that hundreds of sentient creatures are industrially slaughtered every day just so that humans can stuff their faces. There is no moral justification for it, and if humans had to witness first hand where their food came from or had to hunt it for themselves, there would be a massive shift.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *hundreds of millions

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There is no moral justification for it,
      Moral justification is not required to raise animals and slaughter them for their meat. That's why they exist in the first place.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay then I'll kidnap your doggo and cook it for supper. Oh right, animal rights are only reserved for certain animals.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nobody would eat animals if they had to hunt it themselves
      topkek what's it like being moronic?
      you know that's how human civilization was organized for about 40,000 years, right? you dumb piece of shit

      Okay then I'll kidnap your doggo and cook it for supper. Oh right, animal rights are only reserved for certain animals.

      my dog would have your homosexual ass for lunch, good luck with that plan

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >topkek what's it like being moronic?
        >you know that's how human civilization was organized for about 40,000 years, right? you dumb piece of shit
        I'm talking about in this day and age, you fricking idiot. We hunted back then because we had to. Civilization has progressed since then. There are vegetarian alternatives that far more ethical and less harmful to the planet than the meat industry.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Civilization has progressed since then
          humans haven't
          we're genetically the same animal as we were at the dawn of civilisation
          your argument that people wouldn't eat animals if they had to hunt it themselves, because they don't have to right now, is illogical; if they did have to then they would
          they're spoiled now, fine, but if the same pressures that caused them to be okay with hunting their own meat in the first place were brought back, they would be okay with it, because they're the same greedy, violent animals as they were then
          plenty of people would even enjoy it; they'd get a perfectly natural dopamine release from doing it

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They taste great and they can't talk, it's perfect. Plus people who think cows are cute are weird as frick, they're not cute at all. Eating animals is correct, morally and physically.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      From personal experience, I can say that just about every animal can be cute and loving. My life has been a general decline from eating everything, then eating less and less animals as I got older and experienced friendship with animals. Cows can absolutely be cute, you just haven't been open to a relationship with them or cared for them. I've seen a woman who owned a cow and the cow would come up and rest its head on her as she petted it, like a dog. You're just being willfully ignorant because you don't want to face reality and open yourself up to feeling bad about slaughtering them. I get it though, I'm the same way. I hate that I'm now aware that cows have feelings, even though it's pretty fricking obvious if you're willing to entertain the idea.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >From personal experience, I can say that just about every animal can be cute and loving. My life has been a general decline from eating everything, then eating less and less animals as I got older and experienced friendship with animals. Cows can absolutely be cute, you just haven't been open to a relationship with them or cared for them. I've seen a woman who owned a cow and the cow would come up and rest its head on her as she petted it, like a dog. You're just being willfully ignorant because you don't want to face reality and open yourself up to feeling bad about slaughtering them. I get it though, I'm the same way. I hate that I'm now aware that cows have feelings, even though it's pretty fricking obvious if you're willing to entertain the idea.
        Like I said weird befriending a walking steak.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Right, so like I said, you're refusing to entertain the idea because of the possibility of finding a conclusion you won't like.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Right, so like I said, you're refusing to entertain the idea because of the possibility of finding a conclusion you won't like.
            nope because I don't anthropomorphize animals at all. If you observe them as they are you realize that for the most part they aren't the least bit interesting outside of the benefit they can give to you, the human. Humans who try to instill these feelings into the actions of animals are sick in the head.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The original statement wasn't whether or not they were interesting, but whether or not they could be cute. You're shifting your goal posts again. But even then, the fact is that they actually are interesting - humans have been obsessed with the bovine since they first interacted with them, we've lived together for many thousands of years, and there are fields of study dedicated to understand them as well as every other sort of animal. So, even your shifted point is wrong as well.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The original statement wasn't whether or not they were interesting, but whether or not they could be cute. You're shifting your goal posts again. But even then, the fact is that they actually are interesting - humans have been obsessed with the bovine since they first interacted with them, we've lived together for many thousands of years, and there are fields of study dedicated to understand them as well as every other sort of animal. So, even your shifted point is wrong as well.
                I never said that the point of the original post was whether or not they were interesting, I made a new statement about the only actual importance animals have to humanity. I brought the point of seeing them as cute yknow anthropomorphizing them as considering them cute means you're identifying their actions the same way you do the actions of human children up in the last part of the statement. You then attempt to appeal to nature and authority in the same sentence.
                You are a hack.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't really think even you know what you're talking about or what your point is anymore. Maybe you never did.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't really think even you know what you're talking about or what your point is anymore. Maybe you never did.
                Whoops that's a concession, you have no point, you have no argument and no way to defend your cult. Frick off vegan.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it weren't for farming that cow would just never have had any life at all.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not necessarily. I'm vegetarian but don't object to small-scale (i.e., non-industrial) milk production.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Not necessarily
        Oh, come on. MANY other cows, then. Address the real point.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >eat hamburger
    >millions of animals continue to be slaughtered
    >don't eat hamburger
    >millions of animals continue to be slaughtered
    Don't care one way or another, no actual change is going to come about by these movies so why care

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >animals can kill animals but we can’t
    Frick off.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Animals live in the wild, they do not have easy access to a wide variety of food like humans do. They don’t have a real choice and need to eat other animals out of survival

      Humans have a meaningful choice. We have easy access to a wide variety of foods and do not need to eat animals to survive

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You also dont need to live if you acknowledge that your existence and consumption is a cancer to this planet yet here you are using wasteful internet infrastructure. How queer.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You also dont need to live if you acknowledge that your existence and consumption is a cancer to this planet yet here you are using wasteful internet infrastructure. How queer.

          A living creature has a central nervous system and is capable of feeling pain and suffering similar to how we can

          If you’re going to say “b-b-but plants feel pain too!” then I’m going to ask you if stepping on a flower is morally equivalent to stomping on a puppy.

          that man is right you're doing untold damage to the world to spill your spaghetti on this mongolian eagle hunting forum. You should consider the damage you're doing, you won't because this is as with all vegans an exercise in masturbation of course.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That entire line of thinking is so moronic I didn’t even bother replying
            >Yeah I killed your mom but the world is cancer anyways and did you think of the harm you’re doing posting on the internet?
            The internet provides utility beyond pleasure, we need it for communication, jobs, etc. And more importantly you don’t have to kill someone to use it, you have to kill an animal to eat them.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              UH OH CONGNITIVE DISSONANCE!
              It's ok when it provides "thing I want and desire" but not when things you want and desire! UH OH STINKY!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you conveniently skip over the part where I said using the internet doesn’t require you to kill someone? Of course you did you moronic meatgay

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                do you really think there was no death involved ever when laying the cables on the ocean floor, digging the fiber optics to your house and providing electricity for it all to run? lurk 8 more years before speaking pseud

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah once in a while someone dies in an accident when setting up internet infrastructure
                >This is exactly the same as eating meat, which 100% requires an animal to get killed, every single time
                >Checkmate vegans!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >an animal's life is equal to human life
                and you have the audacity to call anyone a sociopath? lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We can roughly predict how many deaths from accidents will occur on a given project so we sacrificed those people for internet. Everyone who dies from a car accident is a sacrifice we all agreed to make because cars are cool.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >whole forest of food
        >but they need the animals!
        Bait made me reply 3/10

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't care. Still gonna eat animals, especially cute ones.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Love these threads. The facts, logics and ethics are on the side of vegans, but the "facts & logic"-people (i.e. conservatives) people forget their values on this matter and go full on ad hominem copes.

    I eat meat, it's mostly because it's convenient and that's what I'm used to. I dislike vegan food and making an optimal vegan diet requires planning, hence can't be arsed.

    Hats off to vegans though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >people whose diet forces them to take pills for life in order to survive on it have facts, logic and ethics on their side
      anon, I...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >pill bad just because
        Doesn't really matter if your body absorbs it and there's no negative side-effects.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          are you really going to defend having a healthy human being become dependent on a pill for survival due to a willing and avoidable dietary decision. the absolute state

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For survival or due to a willing dietary choice? For latter I am, on survival situations people tend to even eat people, there's no room to be picky.

            Yes, the clear consensus based on research shows that you can perfectly optimal diet as a vegan. It includes taking some pills, but so what? I eat meat and still eat pills because it's really hard to have a perfectly optimal diet even while eating meat.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >For survival or due to a willing dietary choice? For latter I am, on survival situations people tend to even eat people, there's no room to be picky.
              try being coherent
              >Yes, the clear consensus based on research shows that you can perfectly optimal diet as a vegan. It includes taking some pills
              ...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >try being coherent
                You're asking a lot from a vegan cultist there anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >0 arguments
                >asking to be coherent while talking about survival and then about dietary choice
                I think there's some deficiencies on your diet, anon, your brain doesn't seem to be working.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the irony of this post is palpable

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You clearly lost the argument and are just full on coping, funny.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >are you really going to defend having a healthy human being become dependent on a pill for survival due to a willing and avoidable dietary decision
            Over killing animals? Yes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I love how vegans try to frame it as just taking a pill while still trying to preserve their ethical justification. The artificial synthesis of B and D vitamins in harmful industrial processes is still dependent on exploiting other lifeforms. Just like you homosexuals wont consume honey neither should you take b and d supplements without violating your ethical spooks.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >killing and torturing 500 animals is literally the as bad as killing 1
            >killing one person is literally the same as going full on massacre
            Good arguments, buddy. You understand how to be as good as possible?

            I'm not even vegan by they way.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That has nothing to do with my post. Everyone already knew vegans were morons but thank you for reminding everyone who was late to the show.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >oh noooo the hecking bacteria
            (You)

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the argument now is unironically “taking one pill for B12 and Vitamin D is too hard
    The real reason why is you’re addicted to meat. Even if you know eating it is wrong, because it involves killing animals unnecessarily you just can’t stop. You’re an addict

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's okay to kill animals to eat. It's not okay to prolong their suffering and you have an obligation to make their passing as swift and painless as possible. Factory farming doesn't do this, regular farmers do.

      You will never, ever convince us not to eat natural food. Stop trying or be eaten yourself.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >become dependent on pharma products for survival bro or YOU are an addict bro
    not even (you) worthy

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How can we justify killing and eating animals now?
    because they get what they fricking deserve

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >We don’t need to eat them to survive
    I don't want to survive. I want to live.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You and I am the same as the lion that feasts upon the still living screaming wilderbeast.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We actually aren’t, lions don’t have access to supermarkets that give them a wide selection of a variety of foods and alternatives to the wildebeest, the lion hunts for survival while we eat meat for pleasure

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >We
        The only meat you eat is dick you goofy ass homo.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    vegans support abortion so i dont care

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fetuses aren’t sentient

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The one thing that almost made me give veganism a shot was a video of male chicks being culled, shit was haunting

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My sister is a pescetarian and she looks like shit and developed a fluten allergy. I'm kind of fat but meat is good for you.

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