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They taste good
Veal is delicious
If you don't eat the right amount of meat and dairy, of course combined with fiber/beans, your crust won't develop properly. To get a nice aromatic layer of crust, consuming animal products is necessary. Otherwise, it just flakes off and has too smooth of a texture.
Just had a bacon cheeseburger for lunch. It was delicious. How about you guys?
Im on a quest to find the best mushroom swiss burger. So far, smashburger is the winner
Is there any argument for veganism that doesn't boil down to emotional blackmail?
Yes it’s very simple
>Killing or harming a living creature is wrong unless done as an absolute necessity (ie survival, self preservation)
>We do not need to kill animals for food as we no longer need to eat animals for survival
>Therefore killing animals is wrong
If you disagree with point 1 you are a sociopath who also has to defend bestiality, people who wantonly kill animals for fun, someone who tortures a puppy for fun, etc
If you disagree with 2 you are factually incorrect because virtually every nutrient acquired from meat can also be acquired, fairly easily, from a non-animal source
It isn’t emotional blackmail, it’s about being logically consistent.
>If you disagree with point 1 you are a sociopath who also has to defend bestiality, people who wantonly kill animals for fun, someone who tortures a puppy for fun, etc
yes animals are less than humans. who gives a shit?
So you defend bestiality, torturing puppies for fun, getting rid of all animal cruelty laws, etc. That makes you a textbook example of a sociopath
>So you defend bestiality, torturing puppies for fun, getting rid of all animal cruelty laws, etc. That makes you a textbook example of a sociopath
k thats cool. i also hope you dont own a phone or clothes and buy every single thing you own american made because otherwise some jeet living in india or chinese kid is making your shit.
Your existence on this earth as a human being causes untold damage to the environment, other species, and other humans. Thus, the most ethical action would be to have a nice day.
>I want to kill a chicken to eat it
>It means you want to rape puppies
Are you a bad actor for vegans or just really stupid?
>eating a hamburger is the same as raping a dog
Compelling
>If you disagree with 2 you are factually incorrect because virtually every nutrient acquired from meat can also be acquired, fairly easily, from a non-animal source
This is irrelevant and also completely untrue besides. Why lie vegangay?
>living creature
Define living creature then. If there's no difference between killing a pig on a farm and killing a human, then there's no difference between killing a farm animal and a bug. And if there's no difference between killing a bug and an animal, then there's no difference between killing a bug and a bacteria. And if you ever washed your hands with soap you killed gazillions of them btw. Be logically consistent.
A living creature has a central nervous system and is capable of feeling pain and suffering similar to how we can
If you’re going to say “b-b-but plants feel pain too!” then I’m going to ask you if stepping on a flower is morally equivalent to stomping on a puppy.
Absolutely. Why do you make the puppy distinction anyway when the modern practice of having pets is equivalent to psychological torture.
>Yep stepping on a blade of grass is the same as beating a dog to death with your bare hands
>Yep raising a dog in a mutually beneficial relationship is the same as killing them for food
Why do meatbros think like this? The logic is extremely simple with no mental gymnastics required
>Do you think harming or killing a puppy unnecessarily is wrong
>If yes, then you should go vegan because we don’t need to eat animals to survive anymore so we are harming them unnecessarily
>If no, you are a sociopath
You don’t have to go through these mental gymnastics arguing that cutting grass is the same as beating a dog with a brick. Just stop eating steak.
you're going through the mental gymnastics of equating the eating of animals with the senseless beating of them with bricks
hypocrite
Nice deflection homosexual. Your premise was whether stomping on a flower and stomping on a puppy were equivalent. Then you yeeted the goalposts to comparing stomping on a flower to physically and sadistically torturing a puppy. Pathological shit on you part. By the way keeping a pet in a city is in no way ethical just like you would argue that keeping humans locked up in the evil prison system is unethical.
Oh okay, so if you peel a banana, is that morally equivalent to peeling the skin off a dog? If you cut grass with a sickle is that the same as slicing a dog open with a knife?
You know how moronic your position sounds so you try to argue over pointless minutiae. No one on the planet thinks killing a plant and killing a dog is the same, you are only taking this absurd position to avoid looking like a hypocrite because you know your position is indefensible
False equivalence. You got anything better?
it literally depends on the moral system you choose to apply, you monoamine-deficient self-flagellating sanctimonious prick
you're stood there literally claiming to speak for everyone on the planet
your argument that "plant life is of course so much less valuable than the lives of mammals" is tarred somewhat by the fact that you, yourself, are a mammal; of course you have that inherent bias to think yourself so much higher, it doesn't make it true
we have no idea what it's like to be a plant; they're so alien that you don't even give them the benefit of the doubt
mushrooms speak!
the whole forest is alive and rings out with plant communication beyond the limits of our dull senses!
this is scientific fact
when I eat a salad with my steak, I'm no less thankful for the sacrifice of the plants than I am for the sacrifice of the cow
it's disgusting you don't hold all life as equally sacred, whilst claiming your position as the one of superlatively morals
you're a monster
>then I’m going to ask you if stepping on a flower is morally equivalent to stomping on a puppy.
its not, just like stomping on a puppy is not equivalent to stomping on a human child
Plants are living creatures, so why you don't just do us a favor and have a nice day?
>virtually
With a single word you've torpedoed your entire argument.
... anon asked for a version WITHOUT emotional blackmail
>Be me, Documentary bro
>Watch Dominion after watching Earthlings
>Sad.jpeg
>Get hungry
>Go to muh kitchen and cook a nice cheeseburger in a cast iron skillet with bacon fat
>mfw the burger is better than both docs
How do you clean your skillet? Like I know I’m not supposed to use soap and water on cast iron but I’m always worried about giving myself food poisoning or something from the residue
>How can we justify killing and eating animals now?
they taste good and they deserve it (negative karma led to the person being reborn as a livestock animal to be killed)
by engaging with the factory farming industry, we are participating in samsara
the wicked must be punished in the cycle
enjoy being reborn as a cow next lifetime bud
if that is my karma so be it, we are all on the same journey
if I need to learn something by being a cow and being farmed and butchered, then I will learn it
Who cares. Life is meaningless. Life itself is a complete accident, a byproduct of evolution. Animals have no sapience. They suffer much worse fates in the wild, in excruciating pain and suffering.
>They suffer much worse fates in the wild, in excruciating pain and suffering.
So why induce more suffering than you need to?
Not that anon but i decided to defend him against you midwits
>So why induce more suffering than you need to?
Pain is a stimulant, you should be so blessed as to experience it, lest you live a whole life is mediocrity and fear
>nihilistic seething from a (hopefully) teenaged edge anime homosexual
>You'll grow up buddy, it will be better.
Every boy is on the path of thorns to manhood, chastising the repercussions of youthful introspection is the sign of jealousy and self-loathing
>sad. this is what public schooling does to one's spirituality. get saved
Begging another man to be saved? Give up your anus, it's no longer yours
Reddit to the rescue. I wish I could give you gold on this platform kind sir.
>Pain is a stimulant
What?
>nihilistic seething from a (hopefully) teenaged edge anime homosexual
You'll grow up buddy, it will be better.
>Life is meaningless. Life itself is a complete accident, a byproduct of evolution
sad. this is what public schooling does to one's spirituality. get saved
You did not "just watch this" you've made this exact thread dozens of times and you get btfo in the thread each time
In the term "factory farming" it's the factory part that's triggering you aesthetically not the farm part. Factories suck ass. Why build a hell around you? For a bit more shekels? Fricking morons.
>How can we justify killing and eating animals now
they taste good
simple as
Unless a vegetarian turns up to a slaughterhouse and offers themselves as a replacement for one of the cows, I just assume they're virtue signalling.
MEAT AND POTATOES!
MEAT AND POTATOES!
Is there really a 100% vegan diet that will maintain/promote health just as well as an omnivorous diet? I'm doubtful. And even if there is, how difficult, expensive and time consuming would it be to prepare and eat?
The only things vegans need from animals that they normally cannot obtain from food are vitamin B12 and to some degree vitamin D
B12 can easily be obtained from a supplement, D can be obtained from sunlight (or supplements)
Everything else is a matter of gitting gud and being smart
>easily be obtained from a supplement (or supplements)
I read that those supplements do more harm than good.
If you're not getting the right nutrition from your diet, you just pop a few pills? Sounds like you're asking for trouble, you noodle-armed sprout sniffing cow shagger.
It’s two supplements. B12 and D. You’re acting like this is some arcane sorcery, you do realize that most foods in developed countries are fortified anyways, right? And this isn’t including the growth hormones and antibiotics the meat industry relies on
>And even if there is, how difficult, expensive and time consuming would it be to prepare and eat?
thats the issue with veganism. you have to be an actual cook. even the shittiest ground beef, you can slap on the pan with some veggies and salt, and itd taste fine. you cant do the same with tofu or mushroom or whatever the frick, you have to buy twenty different ingreidents just to make the sauce to make it taste good, actually know how to cook the mushroom and tofu well just to make it taste edible. compare the fricking concoction to prepare tofu and putting down some oil on a pan and throwing in the ground beef with some salt.
In terms of price a vegan diet is not much more expensive than a non-vegan diet. Meat actually tends to be more expensive
Depending on where you live and what you’re making you may need to know how to cook. Because not all places have convenient vegan dishes and if you want to make a vegan alternative to a non-vegan dish you have to understand the ingredients that are used
I don't know about a vegan diet but becoming a vegetarian literally cut my grocery bill in half
>nooo you can't eat food in a way that you enjoy you have to eat food in a way that I enjoy
I love bastardizing ethnic food because of this. For example, I like to wrap Indian curry in tortillas. It's delicious AND it makes shitskins seethe.
Mediterranean diet > Pescaterian diet > Meat based diet > vegeterian diet >>> vegan 'diet'
Pescatarian and mediterraean are basically equal.
Well, I'm not the one killing animals. I will eat whatever is available, and even though meat is important to nutrition I can have it ocassionally. I don't even but a lot of it/don't eat out often because beef is expensive. If the store stops carrying meat that wouldn't be much of a problem.
So why do vegans think the consumer is the problem? Why don't they sabotage the producer? Why don't they convince them to sell less? Why doesn't the producer decide to take less profits?
Because even if you aren’t directly killing the animal you are funding an industry that kills the animal. You make the act of killing the animal profitable and incentivize it to continue
>You are funding an industry
I am not funding anything, I am buying the things I need, I act with moderation and that doesn't imply others act with moderation. If the industry is so wrong how is the blame on the consumer and not on the producer? How would you even enforce the consumer to stop buying things while doing nothing about the producer? If everyone stopped buying meat that doesn't stop the producer to just keep raising and killing cows for the rich or just for the heck of it.
stay the frick away from my steak
Best I can do is vegetarian. But that's not enough for vegans so why would I even bother doing that?
farming crops for vegetarian diets kills billions/trillions of small animals every year, but vegans say they don't count because they aren't large and fuzy with big watery eyes they can capture on film
First of all the amount of animals actually killed through farming is greatly exaggerated and mostly based off of reports on Australian field mice extrapolated to apply to all farms. Secondly you have to farm far more crops and use up far more land to raise animals for slaughter, so I don’t understand how this is an argument. Veganism is about killing as few animals as possible and doing it only out of necessity
>it's okay because its less animals and they are small
>it's okay because its less animals and they are small
>it's okay because its less animals and they are small
>it's okay because its less animals and they are small
typical vegan hypocrisy and stupidity, it's all about morality policing with these people
human have to eat. what's wrong with minimizing the damage as much as we can? do you have any logical counterpoints at all?
you claim it's damage, but that's a false premise you desperately want me to accept
animals have no rights and it doesn't matter if they get farmed as food
you don't have a point to begin with, because anybody can simply discard your insistence that animals feelings matter, as nonsense
your entire ideology is based on that false premise, which is only your opinion
>crops farming for food
vs
>animal husbandry that is insanely damaging to the environment/consuming vast resources, which also requires a metric frickton of crops farming to feed those animals + regular crops farming for food
which one is worse?
false-dichotomy
this isn't a debate, I'm just calling you out for being a moronic communist homosexual
Know this: I will personally murder you if you come onto my property and try some dumb shit like freeing my chickens or goats, and then I'll feed your corpse to my neighbor down the road's pigs.
You won't risk your life to do that, because you understand IMPLICITLY that your life is more valuable than my livestock. You know it.
huh of course survival trumps everything else? did anyone ever argue that? you can't say anything logical so you are trying to twist the opposition to the extreme end to make it easier for yourself? is that your strategy? so childish
>if you don't care enough to sacrifice your very life, you shouldn't care at all
>if you can't solve all the problem in the world perfectly, you shouldn't do anything at all
I know Cinemaphile is moronic but this is a new low
>what's wrong with minimizing the damage as much as we can?
why are you not growing your own food and living off the grid right now? your participation in industrial society is a giant logical inconsistency if you want to pretend youre not as crazy as the rest of us.
>its too le hard
land is dirt cheap in america, you can save for years while living in your parents house to buy the land necessary. pick anywhere on the east coast, theres lots of places.
you wont because you like to pretend being a vegan doesnt make you as crazy as the rest of us.
No, it’s not or else honey would be vegan. Why do leftoids always lie about their beliefs?
You're beyond moronic, eating meat kills way more small animals, the vast majority of crop production goes towards feeding livestock
huh? but you have to farm crops to feed animals too, so by your logic it's still better than eating animals
curious...what do you think animals in farm eat? do you know how many livestocks there are compared to human?
You've been posting this same dumb shit for years. Are you israeli?
>How can we justify killing and eating animals now? We don’t need to eat them to survive anymore so this doesn’t need to happen
This, we need to immediately ban all leftists from the use of any and all animal based products, from gas to medicines.
>we're not going to eat you anymore
>but we still have to kill you cause you'll decimate the environment lol
It would have been a lot more efficient if humans evolved to survive off plants alone, but we unfortunately did not. We are crazy chimps that diversified their diets and therefore need a lot of different types of food to be optimally healthy. Other animals can naturally produce a lot of the vitamins that we need to get from other sources. It's moronic. Hopefully gene editing will fix it in the future.
I like meat
and no, humans don't have to eat
you can choose to self terminate in order to stop harming animals, but you won't, because you know you're more important than the animals that die while the resources you consume are gathered
you know it, you accept it, you move on with your life...just like me
humans have to eat. and there is a middle ground. only kids go to the extreme during a debate.
Meat eaters argue like literal women to justify their cruelty
you don't give a shit about any of this, you just want to feel morally superior to other people
that much is obvious
Do you know what the carbon footprint of the average American is over their lifetime?
If you genuinely want to help, you know what to do.
They would kill and eat you.
>all the poor brown people of the world shouldn't have access to cheap animal protein anymore, because it makes me personally feel bad
vegans are evil and racist
western societies reaped the benefits of cheap animal protein for centuries, and now that other societies are catching up those very same racists want to turn the resource off, typical white people shit
>vegans are evil and racist
And that's a good thing. Everyone should be evil and racist. The less people live on Earth, the happier the remaining people will be, and they should keep it that way.
>Noo but muh equality!
Obsolete train of thought made up by nobles and bourgeoise for nobles and bourgeoise. Equality works as long as only nobles and bourgeoise are included. The rest of shit people are biomass, they are egotistical, immeasurable, they don't give a shit about anything but survival and pleasure. They are an obstacle if we plan on leaving anything for the next man down the line timewise.
>We don’t need to eat them to survive
maybe you don't
>see a torn apart animal on the way to the supermarket
>"ew, gross, gore"
>look at the meat section in the supermarket
>"oh, yummy"
explain this
Its the difference of seeing things when they are in their proper, accustomed place (meat aisle in the supermarket) or in the wrong, unusual location (roadkill etc.).
I like it when the animal died with stress. I prefer the taste and feel of it. I also want my chickens closed range, the smaller space they have to move around, the better.
now? what day of history did vegetarianism become an axiomatic moral absolute for every human, everywhere in the world?
vegans insist that animal suffering matters, but they cannot actually prove that animal suffering matters
if it was obvious it would be obvious, but its not, to the vast majority of the population of the world for all of history
so, they need to prove it and show why animal suffering matters
please do so now in this thread
and....go
Suffering matters regardless of species. It's something that every decent person accepts, to a certain extent.
There are laws against causing unnecessary suffering to cats, dogs and so on. Namely because they tend to be domesticated household animals, but partly because people recognise that they have the capacity to suffer and that unnecessary suffering is a moral wrong.
Your argument about "vast majority of the population" commits to a basic logical fallacy, namely an appeal to authority: you are justifying inflicting unnecessary suffering on animals because the status quo has allowed it historically. This, if applied to other topics, would allow marital rape, slavery, child labour etc to be considered acceptable today.
If someone informed you there was something behind a curtain in front of you. It could be a plant, a cow, an elderly human being, a rock, a table, etc. You are then told that this something will be hit very hard, because doing so will cause a transitory experience of pleasure to a person in another room. You have the say in deciding whether the violent strike will be permitted to take place.
What would you consider to be important when considering what is behind the curtain? Does it simply have to be "not human" for you to consider the act to be morally permissible? If not, where is the line drawn? A basic threshold, in my opinion, would be that something's capacity to experience suffering, be it a pain sensation or the frustration or termination of its wants and desires. In this case, allowing a table to be violent hit, or a baseball, or a flower, would be acceptable. But to violently strike a cat, or a dog, or a pig, or a horse, would be to inflict serious suffering on a being which has the capacity to suffer (e.g., it possesses a nervous system) for the sake of allowing someone a transitory pleasure experience.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you take these things seriously.
Plants have a will and they suffer, it just doesn't register on an emotional level with you so you don't care. This demonstrates that the vegan appeal is a selfish one, not about what other life feels.
Plants lack any nervous system or brain. There is no evidence to suggest they are capable of suffering.
/x/-tier arguments like this are a sign that you don't actually want to confront the issue on logical terms.
You're just flat out wrong and delusional. Their nervous systems even use some of the same signalling chemicals our brains do.
Have chicken.
People conveniently ignore the fact that hundreds of sentient creatures are industrially slaughtered every day just so that humans can stuff their faces. There is no moral justification for it, and if humans had to witness first hand where their food came from or had to hunt it for themselves, there would be a massive shift.
*hundreds of millions
>There is no moral justification for it,
Moral justification is not required to raise animals and slaughter them for their meat. That's why they exist in the first place.
Okay then I'll kidnap your doggo and cook it for supper. Oh right, animal rights are only reserved for certain animals.
>nobody would eat animals if they had to hunt it themselves
topkek what's it like being moronic?
you know that's how human civilization was organized for about 40,000 years, right? you dumb piece of shit
my dog would have your homosexual ass for lunch, good luck with that plan
>topkek what's it like being moronic?
>you know that's how human civilization was organized for about 40,000 years, right? you dumb piece of shit
I'm talking about in this day and age, you fricking idiot. We hunted back then because we had to. Civilization has progressed since then. There are vegetarian alternatives that far more ethical and less harmful to the planet than the meat industry.
>Civilization has progressed since then
humans haven't
we're genetically the same animal as we were at the dawn of civilisation
your argument that people wouldn't eat animals if they had to hunt it themselves, because they don't have to right now, is illogical; if they did have to then they would
they're spoiled now, fine, but if the same pressures that caused them to be okay with hunting their own meat in the first place were brought back, they would be okay with it, because they're the same greedy, violent animals as they were then
plenty of people would even enjoy it; they'd get a perfectly natural dopamine release from doing it
They taste great and they can't talk, it's perfect. Plus people who think cows are cute are weird as frick, they're not cute at all. Eating animals is correct, morally and physically.
From personal experience, I can say that just about every animal can be cute and loving. My life has been a general decline from eating everything, then eating less and less animals as I got older and experienced friendship with animals. Cows can absolutely be cute, you just haven't been open to a relationship with them or cared for them. I've seen a woman who owned a cow and the cow would come up and rest its head on her as she petted it, like a dog. You're just being willfully ignorant because you don't want to face reality and open yourself up to feeling bad about slaughtering them. I get it though, I'm the same way. I hate that I'm now aware that cows have feelings, even though it's pretty fricking obvious if you're willing to entertain the idea.
>From personal experience, I can say that just about every animal can be cute and loving. My life has been a general decline from eating everything, then eating less and less animals as I got older and experienced friendship with animals. Cows can absolutely be cute, you just haven't been open to a relationship with them or cared for them. I've seen a woman who owned a cow and the cow would come up and rest its head on her as she petted it, like a dog. You're just being willfully ignorant because you don't want to face reality and open yourself up to feeling bad about slaughtering them. I get it though, I'm the same way. I hate that I'm now aware that cows have feelings, even though it's pretty fricking obvious if you're willing to entertain the idea.
Like I said weird befriending a walking steak.
Right, so like I said, you're refusing to entertain the idea because of the possibility of finding a conclusion you won't like.
>Right, so like I said, you're refusing to entertain the idea because of the possibility of finding a conclusion you won't like.
nope because I don't anthropomorphize animals at all. If you observe them as they are you realize that for the most part they aren't the least bit interesting outside of the benefit they can give to you, the human. Humans who try to instill these feelings into the actions of animals are sick in the head.
The original statement wasn't whether or not they were interesting, but whether or not they could be cute. You're shifting your goal posts again. But even then, the fact is that they actually are interesting - humans have been obsessed with the bovine since they first interacted with them, we've lived together for many thousands of years, and there are fields of study dedicated to understand them as well as every other sort of animal. So, even your shifted point is wrong as well.
>The original statement wasn't whether or not they were interesting, but whether or not they could be cute. You're shifting your goal posts again. But even then, the fact is that they actually are interesting - humans have been obsessed with the bovine since they first interacted with them, we've lived together for many thousands of years, and there are fields of study dedicated to understand them as well as every other sort of animal. So, even your shifted point is wrong as well.
I never said that the point of the original post was whether or not they were interesting, I made a new statement about the only actual importance animals have to humanity. I brought the point of seeing them as cute yknow anthropomorphizing them as considering them cute means you're identifying their actions the same way you do the actions of human children up in the last part of the statement. You then attempt to appeal to nature and authority in the same sentence.
You are a hack.
I don't really think even you know what you're talking about or what your point is anymore. Maybe you never did.
>I don't really think even you know what you're talking about or what your point is anymore. Maybe you never did.
Whoops that's a concession, you have no point, you have no argument and no way to defend your cult. Frick off vegan.
If it weren't for farming that cow would just never have had any life at all.
Not necessarily. I'm vegetarian but don't object to small-scale (i.e., non-industrial) milk production.
>Not necessarily
Oh, come on. MANY other cows, then. Address the real point.
>eat hamburger
>millions of animals continue to be slaughtered
>don't eat hamburger
>millions of animals continue to be slaughtered
Don't care one way or another, no actual change is going to come about by these movies so why care
>animals can kill animals but we can’t
Frick off.
Animals live in the wild, they do not have easy access to a wide variety of food like humans do. They don’t have a real choice and need to eat other animals out of survival
Humans have a meaningful choice. We have easy access to a wide variety of foods and do not need to eat animals to survive
You also dont need to live if you acknowledge that your existence and consumption is a cancer to this planet yet here you are using wasteful internet infrastructure. How queer.
>You also dont need to live if you acknowledge that your existence and consumption is a cancer to this planet yet here you are using wasteful internet infrastructure. How queer.
that man is right you're doing untold damage to the world to spill your spaghetti on this mongolian eagle hunting forum. You should consider the damage you're doing, you won't because this is as with all vegans an exercise in masturbation of course.
That entire line of thinking is so moronic I didn’t even bother replying
>Yeah I killed your mom but the world is cancer anyways and did you think of the harm you’re doing posting on the internet?
The internet provides utility beyond pleasure, we need it for communication, jobs, etc. And more importantly you don’t have to kill someone to use it, you have to kill an animal to eat them.
UH OH CONGNITIVE DISSONANCE!
It's ok when it provides "thing I want and desire" but not when things you want and desire! UH OH STINKY!
Did you conveniently skip over the part where I said using the internet doesn’t require you to kill someone? Of course you did you moronic meatgay
do you really think there was no death involved ever when laying the cables on the ocean floor, digging the fiber optics to your house and providing electricity for it all to run? lurk 8 more years before speaking pseud
>Yeah once in a while someone dies in an accident when setting up internet infrastructure
>This is exactly the same as eating meat, which 100% requires an animal to get killed, every single time
>Checkmate vegans!
>an animal's life is equal to human life
and you have the audacity to call anyone a sociopath? lmao
We can roughly predict how many deaths from accidents will occur on a given project so we sacrificed those people for internet. Everyone who dies from a car accident is a sacrifice we all agreed to make because cars are cool.
>whole forest of food
>but they need the animals!
Bait made me reply 3/10
Don't care. Still gonna eat animals, especially cute ones.
Love these threads. The facts, logics and ethics are on the side of vegans, but the "facts & logic"-people (i.e. conservatives) people forget their values on this matter and go full on ad hominem copes.
I eat meat, it's mostly because it's convenient and that's what I'm used to. I dislike vegan food and making an optimal vegan diet requires planning, hence can't be arsed.
Hats off to vegans though.
>people whose diet forces them to take pills for life in order to survive on it have facts, logic and ethics on their side
anon, I...
>pill bad just because
Doesn't really matter if your body absorbs it and there's no negative side-effects.
are you really going to defend having a healthy human being become dependent on a pill for survival due to a willing and avoidable dietary decision. the absolute state
For survival or due to a willing dietary choice? For latter I am, on survival situations people tend to even eat people, there's no room to be picky.
Yes, the clear consensus based on research shows that you can perfectly optimal diet as a vegan. It includes taking some pills, but so what? I eat meat and still eat pills because it's really hard to have a perfectly optimal diet even while eating meat.
>For survival or due to a willing dietary choice? For latter I am, on survival situations people tend to even eat people, there's no room to be picky.
try being coherent
>Yes, the clear consensus based on research shows that you can perfectly optimal diet as a vegan. It includes taking some pills
...
>try being coherent
You're asking a lot from a vegan cultist there anon.
>0 arguments
>asking to be coherent while talking about survival and then about dietary choice
I think there's some deficiencies on your diet, anon, your brain doesn't seem to be working.
the irony of this post is palpable
You clearly lost the argument and are just full on coping, funny.
>are you really going to defend having a healthy human being become dependent on a pill for survival due to a willing and avoidable dietary decision
Over killing animals? Yes.
I love how vegans try to frame it as just taking a pill while still trying to preserve their ethical justification. The artificial synthesis of B and D vitamins in harmful industrial processes is still dependent on exploiting other lifeforms. Just like you homosexuals wont consume honey neither should you take b and d supplements without violating your ethical spooks.
>killing and torturing 500 animals is literally the as bad as killing 1
>killing one person is literally the same as going full on massacre
Good arguments, buddy. You understand how to be as good as possible?
I'm not even vegan by they way.
That has nothing to do with my post. Everyone already knew vegans were morons but thank you for reminding everyone who was late to the show.
>oh noooo the hecking bacteria
(You)
>the argument now is unironically “taking one pill for B12 and Vitamin D is too hard
The real reason why is you’re addicted to meat. Even if you know eating it is wrong, because it involves killing animals unnecessarily you just can’t stop. You’re an addict
It's okay to kill animals to eat. It's not okay to prolong their suffering and you have an obligation to make their passing as swift and painless as possible. Factory farming doesn't do this, regular farmers do.
You will never, ever convince us not to eat natural food. Stop trying or be eaten yourself.
>become dependent on pharma products for survival bro or YOU are an addict bro
not even (you) worthy
>How can we justify killing and eating animals now?
because they get what they fricking deserve
>We don’t need to eat them to survive
I don't want to survive. I want to live.
You and I am the same as the lion that feasts upon the still living screaming wilderbeast.
We actually aren’t, lions don’t have access to supermarkets that give them a wide selection of a variety of foods and alternatives to the wildebeest, the lion hunts for survival while we eat meat for pleasure
>We
The only meat you eat is dick you goofy ass homo.
vegans support abortion so i dont care
Fetuses aren’t sentient
The one thing that almost made me give veganism a shot was a video of male chicks being culled, shit was haunting
My sister is a pescetarian and she looks like shit and developed a fluten allergy. I'm kind of fat but meat is good for you.