Legitimate question when the X-Men get off of dealing with imminent Extinction after the collapse of mutant orgy Island what kind of X-team and position would Kamala want to be in? I mean I'm pretty positive Kamala wasn't around at a time to go to super school before.
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People have speculated that she'll be part of the upcoming NYX book.
That being said, I want her to rebuild the Champions.
>People have speculated that she'll be part of the upcoming NYX book.
Why that X-Men comic in particular?
It's about young mutants who live in New York.
Single mom young X-23, Honey Badger, Kamala, Kiden Nixon a ridiculously power time manipulator from the original NYX book and 3 dudes to round out the cast are my guesses for the lineup.
X-23 is a teenager again. Old Laura died.
Comics are moronic.
This guy has it right. Original laura got stuck in the Vault for like 1000 years due to time dilation and in the meantime Krakoa created a new, fresh Laura that only had the memories up until the Vault was sealed. original Laura eventually came out, came back, she commisserated with the new young her, and then old Laura ended up bein disintegrated so hard by Orchis that they couldn't even resurrect her again.
jesus christ what a moronic disrespectful middle finger to fans of the character. It's right up there with "Captain America was actually always a nazi double agent, here's a cosmic cube clone of the made up Captain America who never actually existed who you remember from literally his entire publication history".
They wanted a reset to a young, unburned laura. And now they have her. They didn't need two Lauras. So this was always how it was going to go. Original Laura at least got to frick Synch a lot in the Vault and her mind shared a final moment with him before dissipating after she was disintegrated.
>They didn't need two Lauras
I agree, but killing the real one and leaving us with an objectively different character is a moronic way to go about fixing it.
Welcome to Krakoa logic.
What they wanted is to get rid of Honey Badger in the future by giving her a mom and dad but people didn't bite in Old X-23 and Synch and go back to a traditional X-23 status quo coming out of Krakoa.
Am I being trolled or are we getting into Cable levels of WTF?
It's look like you were right. I I wonder if they're supposed to be a superhero team or just occasionally run into each other while doing mutant stuff.
Because she's on the cover
Accept the cover wasn't revealed at that point of the day when that statement was made or the original statement would have said she's on the cover not yet people were predicted she would be in that comic most likely.
Because she's on the cover. Accept it.
Look at what he says here
>People have speculated that she'll be part of the upcoming NYX book.
The person who made that comment did it have access to the cover at that point we know that's cover is real but we didn't know that cover yet when this comment was made.
But she's on the cover
>you know that character who had a good run in the 2010s?
>let's kill him by sticking him in the x men clusterfrick maybe it will help the boring blonde marvel lady become popular
Becoming an x-men is a death sentence for the character
No Kamala has friends outside of the mutant still including she's probably going to date Miles Morales soon.
Makes no difference. She's a mutant and she's going to be sent to die.
Only unpopular mutants die.
Popular mutants are immune to permadeath.
Exactly.
>Becoming an x-men is a death sentence for the character
tell me about it
Ironically Kamela is an X-man because she was killed by Rabin and the X-men brought her back to life.
Who the frick cares? Original Kamala is dead. We have a Krakoan plant-clone walking around with her name and memories, but the character people liked is fricking dead. And Emma brainwashed everyone to forget it. It should be total anathema to the new Kamala though. She's supposed to be a faithful Muslim. it's fricked up beyond belief that they actually did this but that is what X-Men comics do, just absorb and destroy characters.
Original Kamala died when the multiverse ended in secret wars, the plant-clone with her name and memories is just a copy of the reconstruction with her name and memories that was generated by Doom/Reed/Franklin/Molecule Man/whoever was God at the time.
That's a false equivalency and you know it.
>Original Kamala died when the multiverse ended in secret wars, the plant-clone with her name and memories is just a copy of the reconstruction with her name and memories that was generated by Doom/Reed/Franklin/Molecule Man/whoever was God at the time.
That's not the issue. Whether Kamala is the "original" or not isn't even what's being debated. It's the fact that pretty much all anti-abortion religions have agreed that "resurrection through cloning" is abohrrent because you are effectively killing a newborn person doing it. Thus why Marvel doing that plot with a muslim character is extremely tone-deaf.
Catholicism has already pre-maturely declared it fully anathema, but I don't think there's any characters who went through it on Krakoa who are catholic because muties seem to have all been required to swear off their human religions.
>It's the fact that pretty much all anti-abortion religions have agreed that "resurrection through cloning" is abohrrent because you are effectively killing a newborn person doing it.
Wat? I'm pretty religious and this is the first I've heard of it. Who is getting killed? Throw me some sources please.
>Thus, Catholics and other Christian denominations that share this belief may see embryonic cloning as tantamount to live human experimentation and therefore contrary to God's will.
Catholicism is the only major religion who has declared it to be a mortal sin because they're also strict anti-abortion.
I don't understand, it's pretty much the opposite of abortion, you're bringing back life instead of taking it.
The point of contention is that a clone body is a living human being. You are creating a living person, then using them as spare parts. The religions who have spoken out are strictly pro-life and recognize clone life as human life. It's not really complicated.
IIRC, the objections those religious figures had was over creating a never conscious or brainless clone, bringing it to maturity, and then harvesting it's organs to transplant into the original person's body.
What usually happens in Marvel is that a clone is created and instead of being used for spare parts, it's be brought to life with the original's memories, and a piece of (if alive) or all of (if dead) the orignal's soul.
Have any religions addressed that use case?
Would you believe it if I said yes?
Catholicism believes that the soul enters the body at the moment of conception. That's the reason for their extremely strict anti-abortionism. So by their definition, the clone body upon creation is imbued with its OWN soul which is just as worthy of respect and dignity as that of a person who was born and grew up normally. If you don't want to drag metaphysics into it you can just see it as the fact that whatever potential the clone had to be their own person with their own life is snuffed out without the clone's consent or even ability to defend itself. This is EXTREMELY heavy moral stuff and is still under heavy debate, but it is pretty set already in the minds of very pro-life people.
It's also incidentally an opinion shared by many top people working in genetics and cloning but as they are not a united group of people they can't make a collective decision for anyone else.
Interesting. I know that Judaism believes the soul enters a fetus at the time of the quickening (which I suppose for a clone, depending on method, could be as early as it is with a fetus, or might not start until decanting), but I have no idea what other religions hold.
Have other religions besides Catholicism weighed in on cloning IRL?
There's no official stance from Protestants (already a denomination with wildly different beliefs) Anglicans or Orthodox that I know of. The Catholic church wanted to jump the gun on this one presumably because they are by far the most anti-abortion and pro-life. It's definitely been discussed, though. Human cloning is an insane hot potato regardless of whether you are atheist or religious, with many totally atheist scientists also firmly believing in that growing bodies as spares is dehumanizing and cruel. I think the reason why it hasn't seen official tentpoles placed in the sand yet is that it's not yet a viable process but if it ever comes close to commercial use it's going to be a major debate across the board.
The important thing on all sides is that it NEEDS to be discussed because it has extreme slippery slope potential. And naturally a comic book about humans shooting lasers out of their eyes is not equipped to handle that debate. Imagine if this became publically know, people would be all over Marvel's ass for it from all directions.
>growing bodies as spares is inhumane and cruel
which atheists are these? if it's just a pound of literal flesh or an organ from stem cells, it is not dehumanizing, it just hurts some people's fee fees
>cloning isn't a viable process
pretty sure a human chimera was already made in china. the people arguing against these kinds of genetic research are either purposely or inadvertently standing against progress that would help humanity get rid of diseases and genetic disorders
https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/15/international-team-creates-first-chimeric-human-monkey-embryos/
Canonical, the clone is empty.
Anon is not being clear.
Vatican has a position on cloning bodies for spare parts: as currently is impossible without making a whole living fetus(that you then kill for spare parts) that's just murder.
Anon is apparently comparing the Krakoa Clone Resurrection to it, which is not completely baseless.
Especially because as far Vatican is concerned, Resurrection is God's perspective.
Any clone wouldn't be a resurrection, but a whole new being.
realistically their stance on the Krakoan System is "You are cloning whole new people, complete of everything and actively mind-murder them replacing their psyches"
Also currently Kurt has never been Catholic: he has yet to undergo baptism since he was cloned the last time
Isn't Kurt a Catholic?
>"resurrection through cloning" is abohrrent because you are effectively killing a newborn person doing it.
Literally how, lol. If a person is cloned, the newborn person was always going to be a copy of the original person. The clone only exists because it was made with the intent of being a clone. It wasn't going to be anything else.
Like, there's better reasons one could argue that cloning humans is abhorrent that make more sense than that.
> Literally how, lol. If a person is cloned, the newborn person was always going to be a copy of the original person.
Because despite being genetically identical, it was its own unique being that would have developed its own personality and memories until you identity-deathed it by copy-pasting someone else into it.
> The clone only exists because it was made with the intent of being a clone. It wasn't going to be anything else.
By that logic, there is nothing morally abhorrent in raising a person to butcher them for their organs to transplant into those in need. After all, thats what that person was made for. They were never going to be anything else.
Yes.
>Inhuman/Mutant hybrid
how the frick does that even work?
Mutants have an awakened X-gene, Kamala's X-gene is dormant which should make her literally no different from normal humans who have the recessive X-gene.
The mutants are gaslighting her so she doesn't flip out. She's a mutant now, period.
Do you have any evidence that said she's not inhuman at all anymore?
She's still inhuman, her stretchy powers are her inhuman power set. She's just not interacting with them anymore because they're not in books.
No, but it's going to happen eventually, mark my words. If I recall, her original creator admitted that Kamala was always intended to be a mutant and the Inhuman origin was only because of Marvel's push to use them for MCU fodder. Now that the push failed, they're course-correcting her.
Odds are her upcoming meeting with Medusa will be the last nail in the coffin. "Oh, turns out we were wrong all along. You're a mutant and always were. Anyway, good luck out there."
It works for Quicksilver and Crystal's daughter, Luna.
Now that I think on it, it's surprising that Luna isn't used more.
Originally it cancelled out and she was effectively a baseline human. Then she got Terrigen'd and somehow didn't die horribly.
The mist became poisonous to mutants after the universe we said it and the editors wanted to screw the X-Men. Luna was exposed to it years before that happened.
Technically they never said Luna doesn't have mutant DNA at all. The only thing that changed was they said Quicksilver wasn't a muted to begin with that doesn't make it impossible for a Quicksilver to have a mutant kid.
Well yeah it's not impossible for literally anyone's kid to be a mutant in the Marvel universe, but if Pietro isn't a mutant and she doesn't have mutant powers or a confirmation in universe that she has an active X-gene then we have absolutely no reason to jump to the conclusion that she is a mutant/inhuman hybrid like anon claimed.
Did anyone claim ( in universe or would of God)she didn't have muted DNA after Pietro became not a mutant ?g
Why would we need anyone to claim that when we have no reason to believe she is one? That's the opposite of a logical conclusion.
Because previous it was a fact that she had mutant and Inhuman DNA cancelling each other out. The only reason people assume they went on her redcon her previous stated mutant part of her was because Dad was no longer considered to be a mutant himself. But there's no reason someone from Inhuman society made a baby with someone from outside form Inhuman society couldn't be a mutant also.
>it was a fact
It was an assumption, one that falls apart as soon as you no longer have any reason to believe she is a mutant.
yes because a hero has never in the history a comic books been mind controlled and done a bad thing, this event was surely the catalyst that turned comics into a constant rehash of heroes v heroes.
>THAT DOESN'T COUNT!
I win. I'm sorry that Civil War wasn't the root of Marvel's rot.
you're moronic
So Marvel was sunshine & rainbows before Civil War?
Just saying it wasn't a substance when people in Universe was stating it at fact and there's no reason to believe the scientists will write because it turns out Dad wasn't a actual mutant himself therefore to you somehow makes depending anyone saying mutant DNA in her was completely irrelevant now because that of the scientists saying it was canceled in each other out with her and human DNA just assume it was muted DNA because her dad was a mutant? I'm pretty sure they would be looking at her DNA and how it works before they made the Assumption yet inhuman and mutant DNA in her was canceling each other out not to mention they were still need to check if she had you did DNA even if that was a mutant because mutants don't automatically have mutant children.
Who the frick let ChatGPT in here?
Quicksilver literally isn't a mutant canonically, so Luna isn't a hybrid.
Depending on the year/retcon, he is or isn't, much like his sister Wanda. Usually whichever Marvel figures draws more attention/controversy numbers
Based on the CURRENT YEAR when the plot point of Kamala being both is from, he is not. So it's moot until/if they decide to retcon it again.
this board is so dead I can always notice this deranged Kamala gay go on rants becasue hes mad a shitty character is getting sent to the x men ghetto when all her solo attempts failed
I hate ESLs.
Mutants deserve everything they get because they're a bunch of whiny drama addicts. Look at Rogue. "Boo hoo, my powers kill anyone I touch!" b***h, there's power dampening tech, put that in a bracelet and shut up. Mutants just CANNOT go anywhere without starting drama. They need drama like most people need food, air, and water.
>I'm brown and I have superpowers, that's proof people don't need to be scared of walking nukes
what the frick kind of logic is that Kamala you moron
But Marvel doesn't have heroes.
They're celebrities with powers.
>Rips off Erin Brockovich.
Oh Slott.
>They're celebrities with powers.
I...frick. Maybe you're right.
LETS CHECK.
FANTASTIC 4. no contest.
CAPTAIN AMERICA. USA 1 war movie
IRON MAN. Rich Howard Hughes/Musk type.
THOR. Blond beefcake type celebrity.
HULK. Raging bad boy celebrity.
X MEN. Always in trouble with the law group, like outlaw rappers.
SPIDER MAN: HE'S A MENACE.
Doesn't She-Hulk have like obnoxious rave parties at the Avenger's Mansion?
I love the mutant-inhuman spider-venger Kamala Khan, what a natural knockout success story!
Didn't the real Marvel Universe end in 1996 & this is just Franklin's simulacrum of what he thinks the Marvel Universe?
That's not what happened at all. 616 didn't end in Onslaught, just a bunch of characters got sent to a pocket dimension by Franklin as they were about to die to destroy Onslaught. Tony was already dead, though, so Franklin recreated him from memory, minus his corruption. All the popular titles in 1996 still took place on 616 they only booted the FF and the Avengers to the new timeline because they were hoping to make them a sales success.
Who can say? That horrible Gary Stu of a brat has been dragging all of Marvel down for decades just by existing.
>i'm mixed identity therefore racists will listen to reason
>and a woman so misogynists will totally change
and marxist kurdish women should be proof that gun control is wrong because you need guns to liberate death camps and fight radicals. for once emma frost is being an admirable person. i hate emma frost but she's 100% correct
I stopped taking anything seriously in Marvel once they stated that comicbooks are legal documents.
We already know
>With Xavier's school and Krakoa destroyed, the greatest city on Earth is about to get an influx of mutants. #MarvelComics' 'NYX', arrives this July.
Isn't great that all heroes now do is eat & b***h about their non-problems?
>Jersey City wants her dead now that she's a mutant, so everything there is written out
>Parents think she's off to college now, so they're written out
>Bruno is the only member of her original cast that's left, and odds are he'll be written out so she can frick Miles
Sad...
Incredible how they took away everything that makes her Kamala.
It's funny when you compare him to Spider-Man who even at this moment still has Aunt May in his life EVEN THOUGH THAT FRICKING OLD HAG COST US A LOT.
This is just really dissapointing on how much Marvel is ruining her
>the greatest city on Earth is about to get an influx of mutants.
So mutants will now be metaphors for Guatemalans?
I really hope somebody writes a book how Marvel lost theirs minds in the 00's.
Outrage bait, endless events, and trying to get big with adaptations. So things that started a while before then, and accelerated.
The biggest one for me is they all stopped being heroes. It's like 9/11 broke Marvel.
it wasn't even that, 9/11 fricked up a lot of shit, but what really started the quick and pemanent decline of actual superheroics in Marvel comics was the success of Civil War. It was a big event where the whole gimmick was "the heroes fight each other" and it sold well, so the takeaway for the business guys calling the shots was "more events, and more heroes fighting each other = big money" and they somehow never connected in their brains that every time they did it again the returns were worse and worse and now the entire industry is on its death bed, but they've convinced themselves that they did the right thing because the big event books with heroes fighting each other is the only thing that sells anymore!
I'm saying 9/11 got this ball rolling.
Bit of a stretch there. Like you could maybe argue that Civil War was an attempt at commentary on shit like the patriot act but the issue with that is Millar isn't that smart and also all the registration act stuff was just a logical extension of shit they'd already done in the X-Men years prior.
I know, It's just Marvel is supposed to our world but with Superheroes & 9/11 really did a number on them. Cuz none of this shit would have happened pre-00's, Before any of the Gen-Xers got their grubby paws on it.
Anon you really seem to be stuck on this idea that because all the Civil War and resulting shit happened after 9/11, 9/11 was the cause of it, but there's just not really anything to support that other than the fact that chronologically Civil War came after 9/11, but there was also an entire 5 year gap between those two things, so... Shut up?
You know Marvel was going bad before Civil War?
The rot was well in by 02".
So you shut up.
You're just talking in fricking circles now, see
That's different anon.
& if you think 9/11 had no effect on Marvel what the frick is wrong with you.
I know it happened before you were born.
I never said it didn't have an effect, READ homie READ THE POST.
>The biggest one for me is they all stopped being heroes.
This was a direct result of Civil War. This is obvious to literally anyone who was alive at the time and has a functioning brain.
They stopped being heroes BEFORE Civil War.
It's not all Civil War.
When? Where? Show us.
Bone, Idaho.
2003.
>Hulk and Scarlet Witch shit is the best he can come up with
Wanda's been one of the worst treated comic book heroes in history for most of her existence, and the Hulk being publicly hated is literally his entire thing.
She-Hulk destroyed a whole town & injured 75 plus people.
Marvel in the 00's got so high off their farts they literally thought they were doing something akin to a "New Renascence".
While every story was just Warcrimes & sexual assault.
That gosh darn Civil War!
Unicorns were dancing in the streets before that event.
They're not even superheroes anymore.
>"I don't want to cradle your body some day!"
Hasn't Emma murdered a shitload of people? Like, mutants included? I'm pretty sure she used to help run a Sentinel program. Seeing her say shit like that just feels really disingenuous.
With Emma, everything she says you have to take with a grain of salt.
Emma is exactly as good or as evil as whatever moron is writing her that day thinks she is. Some people are super attached to this idea that she's secretly this ultra-compassionate stronk wymyn who cares about everyone SO MUCH instead of the cold-hearted murderous psycho prostitute that she actually is.
Maybe Marvel has always been subversive garbage?
It wasn't really as pervasive.
This goes back to Spider-Man & how Flash Thompson was never really a bully & Peter always thought he was better than everybody else.
Oh look something nasty happening before Civil War!
If she gets killed again and revived through a different method, would she stop being a mutant?
depends on what kind of synergy Marvel wants to push that week
Make a comic book ideas..You can have a single or double paperback issue of Kamala for a comic book ack what story would you make?
It entirely depends if you believe in the sanctity of each individual life. It's a moral question that has already been answered by religion but not by secular means.
reading this out-of-context, it’s kinda tragic how mutant-human relations have worsened to the post of literally sounding like this image:
>inhu-mutant
did i miss something?
Yes.
I miss Scott and Emma together.