Did you know /ourgirl/ K8 B1000kg was a WORKING CLASS for almost 2 years Cinemaphile? How does that change our opinion of her?
>SDCC 2023: Kate Beaton asks for "more diverse perspectives" from working class and industrial voices in comics
>Ducks is an autobiographical look at the reality of working in the Alberta oil sands, where Beaton lived and worked for two years in an attempt to pay off student loans. It’s a beautiful, haunting book about what that labor and environment actually means in practice to the men and women working alongside her, and it doesn’t shy away from more difficult topics.
She's come a long way hasn't she, she's even got an Eisner now for digging those ditches or whatever poor people do. Good girl!
She was slumming it and had nothing but contempt for her coworkers, flipping out because they just wanted to look at her.
She was raped & her sister died.
boo hoo
Who raped her?
Some guy takes advantage of her while working in a camp. She goes to a party after hours and has a few drinks, he takes her back to his room on the pretense that she left something there and they have sex. Later on she winds up getting a camp boyfriend who she doesn't really care much about just so that the other guys will stop hitting on her and trying to have sex with her (she's actually advised to do this much earlier on by some of the women working there but she refuses for a long time because she doesn't feel like the guys there genuinely like her, they're just lonely and isolated and she's one of the only women around for them to pay attention to). She's also warned early on multiple times about what the camps are like when she's working a more normal 9/5 job within commuting distance from the city. She goes anyway because the money is better.
>slumming
Lol as if any person would spend any time working these jobs if they had a better option. All the Newfies talk about is how much they'd rather be home.
Look up the definition of slumming, that's what she was doing.
Slumming implies that she came from wealth and was only fricking around there because she was bored. If she hadn't gone to work in the oil sands she'd still be paying off her student loans. I know plenty of people who worked there for similar reasons.
>To endure conditions or accommodations that are worse than what one is accustomed to.
You don't have to be rich to slum it. The other working class women there were used to being around these kinds of men, she wasn't, hence the constant pearl clutching.
implies that she came from wealth
And what praytell good syre did she come from? Except the rape.
have a nice day, that's my answer.
>Some guy takes advantage of her while working in a camp. She goes to a party after hours and has a few drinks, he takes her back to his room on the pretense that she left something there and they have sex.
That's not rape, despite how much women want to redefine the word to mean "any bad decision made by a woman".
That's not rape.
Of course they do. Where can you get a good cod out in Alberta?
>she doesn't feel like the guys there genuinely like her, they're just lonely and isolated and she's one of the only women around for them to pay attention to).
Another strong reason to ignore millennial american women and laugh as the articles about how men need to man up and marry them continue to mount.
she keeps telling us shes in a camp full of lonely, horny guys that cross boundries they normally probably wouldnt but are consistently backing off when told to do so. But she still went and got enough drinks that she couldnt resist his advances? I swear some people have no survival instincts.
People who are sheltered don't realize how dangerous it can get. I feel bad for her but I imagine that guys get raped just as much in that kind of environment and are expected to say less about it.
this really doesnt come across to me as rape as much as the guy being very pushy. I do think some guys will be "camp gay" for a while the way you see in prison, though there's probably less of it since they wouldnt need protection. its not as hostile of an environment.
I just mean getting someone drunk to frick them.
whoever did it, deserves a nobel prize
Gamergate
KWAB
Everyone has their struggles. The grocery store was out of Funyuns yesterday but I didn't cry about it.
Some guy did it.
>men should be more aggressive and forward! they should be the ones to approach!
>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
I was gonna say "no means no unless you have a safeword. Don't presume they're into forceplay (though that's a common kink)", but she didn't say no. Huh.
You mean aside from the first panel?
My bad, didn't see that. Dunno why it's not in a speech bubble.
Is "wait" and "please" not sufficient?
🙁
She was going through it back then.
honestly surprised she didn't end up a dyke.
This was like the early 00s, right? If she was Gen-Z, it might be different.
Regret sex isn't rape.
It is nowadays.
In a college, maybe, but not in a courtroom.
Honestly a pretty fair assessment of how a bunch isolated guys act when a new woman is introduced or brought into the area. It happened all the time on deployment, especially at the smaller bases. You’d hear some new girl would show up, then the question was if she was good looking, followed by trying to find a reason to stop by to get a look, then eventually verifying her hotness with the other guys. Granted we did nominally have the sense to be a little more discreet about it, but the core concept is the same.
The unfair part is implying any of that is bad just because she's overly self-conscious about it. It's completely normal interaction between sexes and if you don't like it, tough. Should have been born as a mollusk or something instead of a human.
>choose to work in the fricking sticks in a workplace that is 99% male
>act shocked when they get horny
Its like a guy being a murse and complaining about catty drama
The problem with this comic is that it expects the reader to have empathy, and this is Cinemaphile. Case in point all the replies to this post.
>it's just like, human nature, man!
Yes, you are a flesh automaton, incapable of higher thought.
>The problem with this comic is that it expects the reader to have empathy, and this is Cinemaphile. Case in point all the replies to this post.
>it's just like, human nature, man!
>Yes, you are a flesh automaton, incapable of higher thought.
Why do women like her behave like they have zerio agency and no will of their own? It's like they want men to treat them like children.
Because if they didn't have control then it wasn't their fault.
cause depending on what's more convenient women are either strong and independent or weak and borderline moronic.
She got a degree in shit that doesn't pay AND took out loans to get it.
She is, functionally, a child. Sadly I'm pretty sure she's like 38 and has kids now, so fundamentally childish people are raising kids.
i can sympathize.
>40 and married with two kids
sounds like she made it. good for her i guess.
OP is a homosexual
here's a (You)
Why?
Bait.
who?
Autobio comic, America
>I had sex 🙁
>I had a job 🙁
>I had to talk to people 🙁
Autobio comic, Japan
>I killed and ate a woman and was let free by the Japanese legal system.
Is there a Hunter S Thompson-like bio comic?
That dude just had rich influential parents, you can do that anywhere if you have that.
>dad was president of a water company
Not exactly the Clintons.
When you reach that level, you get away with worse than murder.
Utilities companies are glorified mob rings with even more political clout.
This comic was mediocre. Hark! A Vagrant is where it's at with her.
I didn't know Issei Sagawa had a manga out. Good to know.
Eddie Campbell's Alec is sort of Jack Kerouac, sort of Henry Miller.
Two nukes weren't enough
>I killed and ate a woman and was let free by the Japanese legal system.
This is the type of people that should get FRANK’D like in the Punisher comics.
Well, are you going to do it? Didn't think so.
Well, he’s dead now. Surprised nobody did before.
I swear just about every author that makes a graphic novel autobiography has the same life story. One sad white girl art ho after another.
rip Joe Matt
>autobio comic
>hook is just "I'm gay this is a comic about being gay lesbian trans did I mention this is queer and homosexual"
>is set in LA/NYC
>if its really angsty it'll be set in some small town to get that "rust belt gothic" vibe or something
>bonus points if they're all furries
Did someone forget to tell these people that usually people write an autobio after they, you know, do something meaningful enough to write about?
Why are like half the comics that get promoted and put in stores autobiographies?
>hook is just "I'm gay this is a comic about being gay lesbian trans did I mention this is queer and homosexual"
Sometimes it turns out really good.
Junky is such a good book. The little social observations build such a full picture of that subculture, and its fricking uncanny how little we've actually changed socially. I mean for christ's sake the guy was complaining about zoomers being joyless sexless prudes- and he was talking about the same people who would become fricking hippies.
>One sad white girl art ho after another.
I FRICKING LOVE mid 90s US youth culture so i can't get enough of it someone post that tomboy GN
Some times they're pathetic beta men. Either way it's boring, self-absorbed people who think everyone wants to hear about their uninteresting lives. Ameridan Splendor turned out to be American Cancer.
>and was let free by the Japanese legal system.
>ok judge here's a perp the french want him dead for murder and cannibalism
>he's japanese?
>yes
>lmao acquitted.
ethnic nationalists really do be like this
How does Japan look any better in comparison.
You're like that of loser who thinks China has a better education system than US because they teach them how to arm weapons as if that's not a monstrous thing to do to children.
>How does Japan look any better in comparison.
It's more interesting.
Same way a book like In Cold Blood is more interesting than another biography about some c**t CEO jerking themselves off.
There are two main components: the story should be interesting, and the story should be told well.
>they teach them how to arm weapons as if that's not a monstrous thing to do to children.
that shit's so based, i'm genuinely surprised that the chinese were the ones o come-up with it. i wished we did that over here, or really anything about firearm safety and operation. we really need to do more to cultivate our gun culture.
White b***h privilege.
>Beaton works hard, tends to keep her head down, and becomes a jack-of-all-trades, mainly because she just wants to pay off her loans and get out of there, a fact not lost on the lifers who think she’s a tourist (as Jarvis wienerer noted, everybody hates a tourist), and because she doesn’t want to make waves, we get to see the awful treatment she’s subjected to without much comment.
>The men all hit on her, even the married ones (their wives are far away, and they’re usually working for months at a time).
>Both of the rapes happen because Beaton is a bit drunk and in an unfamiliar environment, and she blames herself for them, which is not uncommon, unfortunately.
>Even before that, though, there’s a lot of tension when she’s alone with men, because we feel like bad things could happen at any time and no one would care (and, given some of the reactions to the rapes, that’s absolutely true). The men also don’t respect her intelligence, which annoys her. Obviously, they’re not going to respect her physical abilities, because they’re big strong men and she is a small weak woman, but she’s not doing a job that requires a ton of physical work, she’s doing something that requires intelligence, and she knows what she’s doing, but they still don’t respect her.
>It's no wonder, then, that Beaton feels she has nowhere to turn when she's raped by two different men on different occasions.
Damn she got raped TWICE for this book, once per Eisner. Very brave!
>drink sex + regret = rape
stunning and brave
I've met a lot of men who seem the type to start fricking a drunk unresponsive girl who's lying there like a dead fish.
Men aren't incapable of keeping their dicks in their trousers. Why would it be so hard for a man to find a woman who actively welcomes and participates in sex? Broadcasting muh trauma is hacky and embarrassing.But why do so many of you shitlords feel the need to white knight for creeps who frick frozen girls, unless you relate to them more than to her? You guys have a lower opinion of men than teh feminists do.
That wasn't what happened though.
What happened then?
She can't handle the social enviroment, tries to cope with a party but is too depressed to enjoy, but also too lonely to leave it. the inevitable happens as some dude hangs around her enough to frick her by the end.
she had bad sex she wasn't into and didn't want / felt too shitty to start a scandal by telling him to frick off. i don't agree with calling it rape, she's not a kid, she should know hooking up is the only activity people were there for, but either way, she does explain quite accurately why it happened - the oil sands themselves bring out the worst on the laborers, she goes quite at length at explaining how it kinda turns them into emotional zombies willing to justify anything for any validation.
So did she get raped or not, and why is she calling it rape if she didn't get raped? And why did she come back for it again? Did she report it to the police?
>So did she get raped or not
she thinks yes but she argues blaming him is dumb because most people there are not in a normal state of mind.
>she thinks yes
So where's the report then? She supports rape and wants more girls to get raped by the same two rapists?
>So where's the report then? She supports rape and wants more girls to get raped by the same two rapists?
>but she argues blaming him is dumb because most people there are not in a normal state of mind.
She literally said she thinks the dude would never do something like this outside the work site because the stress of the job is literally making him moronic.
Then why did she accuse him of rape? How does she know a rapist won't rape again, is she a mindreader now? But she couldn't read his mind when she was getting undressed?
>Then why did she accuse him of rape?
because all normal persons are self-serving social opportunity hunters and WILL use buzzwords to their benefit
not their problem you are too provideful to not throw others under the bus.
>provideful
*prideful
>But why do so many of you shitlords feel the need to white knight for creeps who do the thing I’m making up right now with no proof
Most women are shit at sex and will just starfish so their is no difference if a female is awake or asleep.
>who seem
Neat. I also don't know how people actually live their lives.
>I've met a lot of men who seem the type to start fricking a drunk unresponsive girl who's lying there like a dead fish
No, child. These are your delusions again.
So who were the rapists? How many years in prison did they get? Does anyone have a link to the court cases?
>Beaton is a bit drunk and in an unfamiliar environmen
...Rape rape or "aw, I shouldn't have done that" rape?
Sucks that the world's come to this, but here we are and I have to ask.
there’s no need to ask when everyone and their grandma knows exactly what she means
I'm still a "benefit of the doubt" kinda guy. I hope every-time that the people are speaking sincerely (and thus using words the right way) instead of talking insincerely to get some sort of social advantage.
Then you’re naive.
What I expect and what I hope for are two different things.
But I can live with myself better if I act naive and question first instead of accidentally belittling someone who was actually raped. That would weight on my conscience for decades.
I know how you feel, bro. I really fricking hate that the #MeToo movement has diluted the impact of rape so much. Shitty sex, drunken sex or realizing the guy you shagged wasn't the rich Chad meal ticket you were hoping for isn't the same as sexual assault.
Damn bet some nerd saying he wanted to have kids with her is seeming pretty tame now.
No, those nerds comments are worse. Much worse!
A stupid white b***h wrote a book and we are supposed to clap
>OIL SANDS ARE...LE BAD!
>OI WAS ROIPED!
>MUH INDIAN LAND
Every single middle class white Canadian c**t writes the same fcuking story and gets treated like Fricking Cervantes by the CBC. This country is a joke.
yeah. its bad, with no hope in sight.
>Cervantes
The writer or the zombie pirate?
The writer, unless he became a zombie pirate later in life, but none of his biographies mention this.
I mean, biographies cover lives, not afterlives.
its from the soul calibur games anon
Hark! A dumb prostitute!
>"more diverse perspectives" from working class and industrial voices in comics
Working class people don't generally spend a lot of time drawing comics and the fact that they are working class typically means that they have no industry connections or industry friends to open that door for the. And also that they're typically white and low-to-middle class, which means every hipster homosexual in the industry that is getting their mediocre friends publishing and cartoon deals is going scoff at them and tell them to frick off.
There used to be more people from working class backgrounds in the entertainment industry but that's largely gone due to a mix of economic and ideological factors.
Her family is lower middle class from a podunk part of Nova Scotia. The reason she went to work in the oilsands was because she couldn't get any meaningful work with her arts degree and needed to pay off her student loans. She might be a successful and well known cartoonist now now but she absolutely came from a working class background.
Lower middle class is not working class. Her choice of getting a useless degree is an example of that. She didn't need that to become a cartoonist.
>Lower middle class is not working class
it can be anywhere outside America. down here a plumber or sparky can absolutely attain a middle class lifestyle for their family working with his hands.
I think Kate experienced someone taking advantage of her which is a very different degree of misfortune than other types of deliberate, planned assault.
At any point she could've stood up, walked back to her room, and no one would stop her. There's assault where that's not an option.
But still, someone was taking advantage of her naivete, her innocence.
meant for
She liked it
So she's just a dumb b***h that should've known better.
We're all dumb b***hes who should know better, anon.
>At any point she could've stood up, walked back to her room, and no one would stop her.
sorry senpai she was depressed, you should have been able to read her mind and make an accurate judgement of characters with no input on her part.
disassociation means inaction through depression? i'm not going to use the term then, it's hyperbolic and moronic. depression implies exactly that kind of behaviour
>…with no input on her part.
Wild idea here, but maybe you shouldn’t have sex with women who’re unresponsive. I know positive consent is a bit of a meme by now, but if your parent isn’t enthusiastic you should probably check with them that this is something they want to do. You know, not be a piece of shit really.
>, but maybe you shouldn’t have sex with women who’re unresponsive
you expect the man to notice she's being unresponsive.
actually you are expecting everyone to have higher-than-average social skills. Most people in that environment here didn't finish highschool on time, if at all.
>you expect the man to notice she's being unresponsive
I mean yes? Just how shitty is the sex you’re having that you don’t notice the girl you’re having sex with?
>Just how shitty is the sex you’re having that you don’t notice the girl you’re having sex with?
again you expect everyone to be a genious at social interaction when 60% of every sentence and interaction with strangers is actually just confusion and interpretation.
In this case? Not many are gonna be able to figure out the dumb drunk stranger that came alone to a party is having a depressive lash-out episode and not actually looking to have sex. It's such an specific behaviour most people won't fathom the possibility, and think the chick is just shy or uninterested and just there to get off.
People don't stop to question others people. Generally speaking, they just assume it's something they could understand personally that may be some distance from the truth, if not distant full stop.
remember: The guy who "raped" her straight up went to greet her when they accidentally met later. He's probably mortified rn because it's been 15 years and it didn't once occur to him that she may have not been into it.
Why would he be mortified?
If a guy isn't mortified having sex with a dead fish girl, then why would he be mortified by a comic that shows him having sex with a dead fish girl?
I mean, he's not a genius at social interaction. He probably thinks the comic is a magical story about ghosts, because it shows her leaving her body while he fricks her.
But yeah. Mortified. Let's think about how the poor guy was mortified. Let's think about his feelings.
Why the frick are you cretins white-knighting for this stranger? The only thing you know about him is that he stuck his dick in a girl who didn't want it, and that's enough to get you to argue for his honor.
>who didn't want it,
She liked it though as evidenced by her behavior
>If a guy isn't mortified having sex with a dead fish girl, then why would he be mortified by a comic that shows him having sex with a dead fish girl?
because there's a difference between a fricking dead fish and fricking someone undergoing an emotion-negative episode, something we didn't even have a term for when beaton went through it.. and a drunk 20 somethings in a shitty party you only go to get laid on is gonna have trouble making a distinction.
>But yeah. Mortified.
yes. If you accidentally killed someone and didn't even notice till 10 years later, you'd feel nothing about it?
>and that's enough to get you to argue for his honor.
Because Beaton herself defended him? Did you read the comic you idiotic outrage addict?
Enjoy your internal telenovela I guess, it's gotta net you social points in your shitty frends group if you get so emotional about it.
>undergoing an emotion-negative episode, something we didn't even have a term for when beaton went through it..
lol pretty sure it was just called being a dumb ho
>he stuck his dick in a girl who didn't want it
Why didn't she just say no then? Did demons overtake her as soon as she drank the first sip?
You just... DON'T UNDERSTAND! Check your privileges!
Dude I can cum from rubbing my wiener onto my desk through my pants, sorry you're a pea princess who can't enjoy sex if it's not a 2 hour long porno movie with 10 actors.
>I know positive consent is a bit of a meme by now, but if your parent isn’t enthusiastic
Enthusiastic assent is not the same thing as consent. (screenshot from the lawcomic bit I linked to in another reply)
>no means no
>yes can mean no, and it's on me to figure it out
>yes can also just mean yes, and I'm undermining her agency by doubting her
Sometimes I'm glad I don't talk to women.
No, anon.
Dissociation is the soul leaving the body. It's exactly like the way Kate drew it.
She was lying there, being violated, and her soul stood up and walked away.
It's exactly like that. Just like that.
When something horrible is happening to you, your soul, your psyche will detach from your body, the center of your reality, and go elsewhere. It's a very real phenomenon.
The first time I dissociated was because my mother was fingering me. I was an infant. I floated up to the ceiling.
no one asked you to trauma dump
Tough shit you little cal art alien c**t. I'm going to spell out all the trauma that was required to allow you to ride my coattails from the cradle to the grave. Well, from the cradle, at least.
>oooooooooo I'm going to fiiiiiinger yooooooooouuuuu
When you add the nose, it's/co/
>ooooooo you better bend over cause I'm going to fist youuuuuuuuuuuuuu... with my fiiiiiingeeeeeeeeerrrrsssss..... ooooooooooooooooooooooo
>I was sooooooo busy fiiiingering you i forgot the iiiiiimaaaaaaage
if you are going to insist on muddling the discussion with idiotic metaphors then i'm going to insist on jerking off to your rape, because there's fricking nothing else to say to a reply like this.
You're going to jerk off to the thought of a mother fingering her infant?
Are you saying women can be molesters? Might want to check yourself there bucko, there's no institutional power behind them so maybe learn to enjoy their free expression.
>soul
>It's a very real phenomenon.
No.
Psyche then, if it suits you. The thing that distinguishes you from someone doctors would call "a living vegetable."
I'm going to take this as an invitation to further talk about dissociation.
Dissociation effects memory. Kate probably can't remember the sex that felt like rape. It's not in her conscious memory. Because her psyche and body were not one when it happened.
Lore Olympus also has a character dissociating. I believe it's the MC, the goddess of spring. Her dissociation is a bit more sophisticated than Kate's. She envisions a garden, I think, and kind of guides herself there as she is also being raped.
Both of them are more advanced than me when I dissociated because I did it as a kid. I just floated toward ceilings. There's actually an artist who depicts kids dissociating in a very abstract, impressionist way and they are floating upward, toward the ceiling.
>I was an infant.
You remember being an infant? wtf?
I mean I wouldn't mind if my mom gave me superpowers lmfao.
My mom was trying to make a slave. Kate's dissociation means there's a hole in her memory. She's an adult with a grounded, complete identity, but there's a hole in her memory from when she experienced something traumatic.
When you do this to a child who has yet to form a complete identity, you fracture their psyche. And they can go into dissociated states.
>My mom was trying to make a slave
Same. And then other things happened in my life including molestation. And then you have people like
who look down on you for looking at Kate's easier life and not being heartbroken over her mostly trite complaints.
I think he's looking down on you because you're a psychotic piece of shit, not whatever pathetic moronic projection you're trying to pretend it going on here.
She'll never give you pussy.
It's funny because people like that wouldn't give a frick about you because that person is probably a woman. Women quite literally will not make you happy, make your life easier or do a single frickin thing for you- they will just hate you if you point out you also have problems, while trying to declare theirs are the biggest in the universe and you gave them the 'ick'.
Basically just like this stupid comic.
>normal career life for thousands of oil sands workers
>HAVE EMPATHY SHE HAD TO SLUM IT FOR 2 YEARS FRICK
seething
>Basically just like this stupid comic.
but Kate has far more empathy for the men in the comic than you do for her
>but Kate has far more empathy for the men in the comic than you do for her
Does she have empathy for me? Where do I sign up for my money?
First world problems.
that is interesting
>I was an infant. I floated up to the ceiling.
How do you remember this?
>My mom was trying to make a slave.
You need to explain more. Are you female?
Anon got fingered
>But still, someone was taking advantage of her naivete, her innocence.
You mean like when college put her in debt for a useless degree?
Frankly she should have just killed herself.
Hence the "don't generally" part of that statement. Beaton is an outlier, not the norm, and her idea that more working class schlubs should have "voices" in an industry that is almost exclusively not working class is delusional.
anon, it's not "delusional" to have an aspirational desire. maybe you should learn what words mean before trying on your screeching pontificating shitbag hat.
Hi, Kate.
Your comics suck.
Have you ever been to the ghetto to see their street art? It's absolutely 100 percent industry frickheads blocking out any voice but their buddies.
Please learn to read.
I"m only disagreeing with half of your shit.
Do you think graffiti artists are "working class"?
How could they not be?
Most people who have time to practice graffiti are not working class. They don't have jobs at all.
This is actually a good point. The most competently executed art I see these days is on the sides of passing freight trains.
Shoulda called it DICKS.
Also Kate has successfully depicted dissociation in a comic. Hate her sheltered upbringing all you want, but dissociation is the soul/psyche leaving the body. It isn't just spacing out.
She dissociated. Her trust was broken and something precious stolen from her. Maybe it's not a fraction of the pain you've experienced. Too bad, tough shit. She successfully rendered dissociation.
>something precious stolen from her.
Damn, so she was a virgin before both rapes?
>How does that change our opinion of her?
It was completely unexpected, rare even, but she spoke the hard truths.
>jobs with stay on work-site are hell on earth
>brings out of the worst out of everyone
>drug abuse as a comping mechanism is rampant
>gender segregation is basically necessary because men who spent a entire month cleaning black soot of their skin don't have the emotional energy to watch themselves among women
>depressed women just let shit happen to them
>if you come here as a woman everyone assume you are husband fishing and they are correct about it beaton did not belong there at all
>the poor are going to banter and there's nothing you can do about it
you forgot the women enjoy the attention and a girl that is a 3 in even a small town of 3000 is suddenly a 9 due to pussy scarcity
This time, things will be different. This time, I like rape!
I like rape!
You know the industry is off kilter, when KATE FRICKING BEATON is the working class joe of the group.
In any case, Beaton made a bunch of shit I like, usually shit about english literature ,so I'm willing to give her a shot.
That was hardly a trauma dump, you stupid israelites. It was three sentences.
Of couse ~~*cal art grads*~~ would police conversation about what kind of things are required to dissociate.
weird fricking thread when you're a permavirgin. i didn't know these work sites were just frick fests free for alls for women.
Every place is like that when you're a woman.
yeah i guess so huh. weird stuff to think about when being an ugly/average man is basically a life of being invisible.
Try not to get too myopic about it. This is the story of someone who got into a situation that's at best, really awkward, at worst, traumatic, and the takeaway shouldn't be
>wow they have it so good, wish that could be me
its just interesting how different women and men live. things i could never imagine in my wildest dreams are just.. commonplace and boring for most women. like opposite world. i guess the reverse is true but i doubt many women would be surprised ugly men live isolated lonely lives.
I'd imagine they would, judging stories of men being isolated or alone from their own ideas of those things. Or the idea of human beings spending years as friendless shut-ins with barely any human contact is just imaginable
It makes me think that there should be community guidelines around dating just because the physical differences are so great between the sexes. It can be hard to say "no" to someone who is 50, 80 lbs heavier than you. And yet you want their attention, perhaps just to snuggle or whatever. But that person 50 lbs greater than you is probably young, and doesn't have the emotional wisdom to discern that and is also fueled by testosterone, a drive toward sex.
Ah, I kind of fricked up here. It takes a lot of trauma to fracture a kid's psyche. I should clarify that. Kids, humans, are pretty resilient. A few traumatic episodes probably won't do it. It has to happen consistently throughout the duration of one's childhood.
the average western woman weighs more than i do and i'm not even that skinny.
It's more like if you were surrounded by a bunch of men who are bigger than you and want to put their dicks in your ass (assuming you are straight). That's closer to the female experience is like, rather than just flipping the sexes.
That would imply that she's gay.
I think it's more just that white women are drama queens.
>That would imply that she's gay.
no, that she's afraid of being taken advantage of.
Women are basically terrified of having sex, they don't ease up on the idea of casual relationships with strangers until their 30s.
>but the dick carousel
is a whole set of toxic social practices developed to "get over" that fear.
>Women are basically terrified of having sex
White women*
Black women frick like fricking rabbits.
And white women are like that because, again, they're giant drama queens.
>american goes 5 seconds without talking about race challenge (impossible)
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THE WIND OUT OF MY GENDER AUTISM SAILS BY BRINGING IN RACE
Get fricked.
>post anime
>talks about race
>image randomizer
>99% chance he spends all day on this site
i don't need to do any fricking here, you are already fricking yourself over.
Don't worry, my life is already better than yours just based on the fact that I'm American and not from whatever irrelevant third world shithole you live in.
>just based on the fact that I'm American
>he's serious
And as usual, we won't know what irrelevant shithole you're from.
Let's keep it that way.
No it just more accurately represents women's attraction and feelings towards sex compared to men's. Men often forget that they would also have a female brain, libido, and wariness in these "sexes flipped" scenarios. The average straight woman is as attracted to most random men as your average straight man is to most men (not at all). So that's why being surrounded by a bunch of opposite sex people who want to frick you might sound great to a guy, and they have a hard time understanding why that can be scary and unappealing for women.
see
Ironically this is because black women naturally have more testosterone than white women, which makes them generally bigger, stronger, and hornier.
>The average straight woman is as attracted to most random men as your average straight man is to most men (not at all).
Sounds like her problem, maybe she needs to go get her uterus realigned or some shit?
>The average straight woman is as attracted to most random men as your average straight man is to most men (not at all)
that's exaggerating senpai, female friends of mine commented on other men all the time and every mixed gender social situation resulted in a couple being made within the week. the rest is on point tho'
>>It's more like if you were surrounded by a bunch of men who are bigger than you and want to put their dicks in your ass (assuming you are straight).
Is Kate Beaton a lesbian?
Nah, it's more like being surrounded by a bunch of Amazon women who are 8 inches taller than you and outweigh you by 60 lbs and could easily pick you up and throw you, but none of them are the hot kind of amazon.
In other words, most of Cinemaphile would love it.
>White woman lives like everyone else for a few years, writes a shitty comic about it, wins an award, then jerks herself off about how hard it was being a pleb for a few years after living the silver spoon lifestyle all her life
Yea, sounds about right.
She's a regular Hiromu Arakawa, this one.
Comic awards have always been more about who writing and their messages than the actual content.
How would the average anon fare working two years in the oil sands?
Unpleasant subjects aside, glad she gets some kind of official praise I guess? Hark! A Vagrant was great stuff.
She already got an Eisner for that though.
Neat
So I actually read a part of this because I saw her name on it
Couldn't finish it
Not because it was 'bad' but because it was so bleak and joyless. You could tell this was a very unhappy time in her life and that she was surrounded by other unhappy people. Don't get why people are being so negative towards her here. Seems like the job and living environment sucked ass. I'm surprised she lasted so long.
why are women such a dumbass liberals?
>Entire survival strategy evolves around crying and manipulating a stronger human into giving you stuff/taking care of you.
Dunno.
Is that such a bad trade? I mean I dont know about you guys but I don't mind seeing a woman weeping and sobbing and bawling and bruised and beaten up so its a fair trade
Ducks was kino
Except the bit about the Natives, that felt a bit shoehorned
Every single white Canadian with any sort of public profile has to get all sad amd maudlin about the natives because of some "mass graves" at old boarding schools which turned out to be a bunch of rocks that the ground radar picked up by accident.
Why do the Kingdom Hearts threads get pruned, but whiny Cinemaphiletard threads like this stay up? The Eisners are a joke and a disgrace to the name, but it's no wonder when the comics enthusiasts are brain-dead all around. You really just can't fricking stand that a woman complains about some sweaty mammal mounting her.
>You really just can't fricking stand that a woman complains about some sweaty mammal mounting her.
There's a difference between complaining about bad sex, regretting sex, and being actually raped.
The problem is that the word rape is being misused like the word literally used to be... actually is that a thing? I haven't heard anyone use it to mean figuratively except in parodies lately.
So Cinemaphile, what do we think of rape?
Also known as oilseed rape, rapeseed, or Brassica Napus.
it's like grape, only without the muthafrickin G
>names her comic DUCKS
>no dicks in it.
Thazs why we dont need a more diverse perspective. We need good writers and they wont come primarly working class.
I don't think a comic with duck dicks would be too popular, outside of those lame Three Caballeros threads, anon.
Depends on how youmise these ducks!
Who wants to read a comic about this? Write a book.
Women get blackout drunk at the drop of a hat, I'm not super experienced and it's happened to me a couple times. One chick was in bed with me and decided she wasn't ready and wandered off to her room pantsless. The next morning she couldn't remember if we'd done the deed or not.
The whole "I want to have your babies" was basically an internet joke like "you be the daddy" since obviously the poster in question wasn't ever going to meet her, felt like a lapse of sense of humour to turn all literal but I suppose if she was actually raped in the tar sands she might be a bit touchy about the subject. She hinted that the men were very pushy and sex starved in previous comics.
>sex starved
>a couple of months with no sex is "sex starved"
man. normgroids really do live in different realities.
>Itt: angry virgins and dudes dependent on alcohol to get laid.
>I am restricting access to my hole internet chuds!
No one cares
See
>dudes dependent on alcohol to get laid.
drinking it or forcing others to drink it?
>restricting acccess to your hole
that doesn't work on the internet
>Measurehead.jpg
Time to risk that check for the spin kick.
She tried so hard to make it ambiguous that the groper was black, but the frizzy hair is a dead giveaway.
I don’t think it was meant to be ambiguous at all. She drew a black woman the same way also - white skin, frizzy hair.
ive seen this shit where women go to a martial arts club or dojo and learn absolutely nothing so fricking often. an untrained man would demolish people like this and the shit training just gives people false confidence to put themselves into dangerous situations. A street brawl is not sparring. you should traing with people a lot stronger than you if possible
She was woke before woke. Congrats then?
Nah, she was part of the fourth wave feminist zeitgeist of the early 10s. They won pretty quickly and got replaced with BLM in the mid-10s as the new thing to push and so on.
reminds me of
Nah, Kate ain't woke. Her comics are legitimately funny and you've probably seen a few used as reaction images on Cinemaphile.
It is, anon, it is. There is a whole world of psychological phenomena that is kept from those of us who live before the veil. It's been weaponized and I've had enough of it.
It gets really fricking strange.
What I really want to hammer into public consciousness right now is the simple mechanics of dissociation. Just the basic conditions that would cause a normal person to dissociate.
Are you female? A/S/L?
Frick off
Why so rude?
I was trying to tell this vet to stop relying on the system so much. Civilian psychologists are really only trained to tell neurotic housewives to take a walk when they're feeling depressed. So they're useless while the military-grade ones are monsters. You really have to forge your own way with this shit.
Kind of unnerving how sophisticated one side of psychology can be while the other is completely, utterly, pathetically moronic. In fact, the more I dig into psychology, the more contemptuous I am of every consumer of psychology.
The vet mentioned the psychologist being scared of him and they must just constantly shit themselves throughout their career when someone with real problems walks through the door. These fricking psychs aren't fit to support anyone living outside of a Coffeehouse AU.
I'd say 3/400 know what the frick they're talking about.
I found more talent for healing in Christian Ministers.
For anyone with real problems: you're probably not going to book one of those 3/400 psychs who knows what the frick they're talking about. And why bother with the rest? Waste of time and money ime.
The good thing is those 3/400 psychs have written a few books. Some even have YouTube channels. You gotta dig.
>Her comic used words like moronic
Feels almost like a different world. She'd get so much shit for that now, when this was literally a nothing word back then.
Her comic aligned perfectly with the liberal values of its time.
Is female species capable of being funny?
Humor is about making light of suffering and inequality so...no. The most coddled and protected creatures on the planet are not capable of being funny.
They are funny in the sense that I laugh at them.
Maybe Philomena Cunk?
I... I don't get it.
Beaton was calling out the cape comic of the time for claiming to be feminist allies yet depicting all these aggressively violent and sexual women. They listened to the criticism and the 10s ushered in an era of prudery.
>prudery
SJWs are huge perverts, they just don't draw attractive characters.
Only queer perversion is allowed, heteronormative is forbidden.
you kind of had to be there
That's just plain shitposting, I can respect it. Reminds me a bit of Nextwave.
>Kate ain't woke
She's a typical CBC leftist. She was always linking to feminist articles abd one essay that called Cyborg from the Teen Titans an Uncle Tom because he didn't hate whitey enough or some shit.
Hark! A Vagrant was funny. But maybe she's woke now like every other liberal. I don't fricking know anymore.
>>Hark! A Vagrant was funny. But maybe she's woke now like every other liberal.
When do you imagine she wasn't?
Early 00s. Liberals aren't as extreme as wokes. But maybe they are now. Maybe they always were and I just didn't see it. Perhaps they were accommodated and then tested with wokeness and almost all of them failed.
>But maybe they are now. Maybe they always were and I just didn't see it.
Nah, the people calling themselves "liberals" nowadays just aren't liberals, they're progressives.
A liberal would be someone like Bill Maher, a guy that progs call a conservative.
I don't really care.
Her comics were funny years ago. That's about it.
Has anyone storytimed this yet? I'm interested enough to read it, but not enough to buy it.
There is a third option.
I vaugley recalled it was done, but the person who posted did it at night with a super fast timer, and no first IP switching, so most people missed it.
It's wild seeing all those random internet people from 15 years ago successful and in what ways they achieved it.
did kc green ever make it besides that question hound "this is fine" meme getting big years after the fact? feel like i don't hear too much about him nowadays and i always loved horribleville and gunshow.
>Since then, Green has been his own best advocate in the fight for his dog’s future. For example, when The Daily Show posted an edited version of the meme with the show’s watermark on the image last year, he lashed out at them directly. “They paid me to use it in the end,” he says. “I was like, ‘That’s all I want. What I want is to be respected as a cartoonist here. This isn’t a random image you can put your logo on the side of like you’re ebaumsworld.com or something.’ I did talk to them and they’re like, ‘We really want to use it.’ I was like, ‘Well, I really want you to pay me.’ That’s all it was. They paid me.”
Dude sounds like a massive b***h loser maybe he can claim rape from this.
KC Green just wasn't active at the right time. There wasn't a good way to monetize one's work at the time because it predated stuff like Patreon becoming popular and socially acceptable (it was thought gauche to accept donations from fans). There was a narrow time window of opportunity for him to do well financially from his comics and I don't think there's a market for the sort of stuff he used to make anymore.
This whole thread is depressing
Her comics were so cute
It really is depressing that an utter lack of talent like this is showered in awards. No wonder comics in America are dying.
What happened?
ITT incels demonstrate their complete lack of empathy
There's just some career fields out there where women do not belong (or should at least be HEAVILY filtered and monitored for performance)
>be aircraft maintainer
>moving stands in place around jet to prepare it for inspections
>superintendent sends in people from backshops to help out and speed up the process
>one of them is a 5'4 woman who half the men keep trying to chatter with
>she gets on one of the legs of a stand and tries to help push it
>her side is clearly off pace with the rest causing the stand to turn and veer off course
>stand comes very close to colliding with one of the wings
>my fricking face when
>jelly as fuark, caught u mirin
nothing more horrifying than a man with a sex drive. can't wait until we're all wired with brain chips and get our balls snipped when it gets triggered that we gazed at an attractive woman for too long without her consent.
White womens capacity for seething jealousy at anyone more attractive honestly baffles me
its not unique to whites
its always funny to me how women will complain about stares but will also insist on wearing skin tight clothes.
seriously though, she makes it obvious most of these workers are men. Yet how many of them felt the need to make a fricking autobiography about their experience? shut the frick up, this i what thousands of men do every day for years on end.
She was raped on an oil rig. Repeatedly.
i believe that in modern legal climate, any quantity of alcohol in the person can interpreted as rape 2
actually the comic itself says it
pic rel followed by
>mostly who strikes me as the most credible
aka the woman, always.
proofless verdicts based on nothing but the statements of the perp/victim should be forbidden, they have never, ever been anything more than a tool of punishment used by the moral "authorities" of the time
conservatives abused it in the 50s and lefties abuse it in the 20s.
yeah. my friend almost went to jail on a fake rape charge and it turned out she was just lying to be a b***h and admitted as much. was in a remote work camp as well funnily enough.
Like the Owl House lady who couldn't hold her booze and then tried to play the idea that someone must have spiked her drink.
Only for the woman though. A guy can be just as drunk as or more drunk than the woman but somehow he's culpable for all of his actions.
>Only for the woman though. A guy can be just as drunk as or more drunk than the woman but somehow he's culpable for all of his actions.
there's been precedent of the contrary
yeah, that's really bizarre to me. i'd understand if it was some hard or mind-altering drugs, but why alcohol? in most other cases drunk people are considered competent and responsible for their actions right? so why isn't that the case here?
I bet she has such a lovely bush and I wish I could bury my face in it
>I bet she has such a lovely bush and I wish I could bury my face in it
She looks like she's one of the dumb c**ts who shave everything and then whine that the patriarchy made them do it, and if you tell them you like hairy chicks, you're a creep who needs to stop telling women what to do with their bodies.
Her art style kind of sucked on this book.
i vaguely remember her making some comics i thought were mildly amusing way back when
i think i'll just shut out anything she has said / done since then, to maintain my memories of her work
What I'm getting at here is someone is advocating for perspectives beyond the ususally costal liberal voice but everyone is frothing at the mouth about th speaker being a woman.
This is why is doesn't matter how many comicgates or new blood occur, comics are dead becuase the audience has aged out and all are left and the people who don't actually care about comics except as a pop culture symbol they know.
She's advocating for the same coastal liberal bullshit as always but wants it to wear working class cosplay.
What does it mean she's advocating for it? Will she give me real actual money that I can buy material things with in a physical store to draw moronic napkin doodles like she does? Until she does whatever she's "advocating for" is worthless.
>What I'm getting at here is someone is advocating for perspectives beyond the ususally costal liberal voice but everyone is frothing at the mouth about th speaker being a woman.
the problem is that beaton is heavily coastal lib adjacent, so people are mistrustful.
If they'd bothered to read the comic they'd notice it's soberingly down to earth. She does talk dumb shit. She fell 100% for the >MUH CANADIAN NATIVE GENOTIDE shit that good proven false a few months after she published the comic.
I don't think it was dubunked. People still believe it.
nah it was debunked, they did tests on the mass graves. they were illness fatalities as all the experts expected
>People still believe it.
morons will believe whatever validates their narrative.
Well soon it will be illegal to disbelieve it, so good luck with that denialist 🙂
Most 'working class' creators are doing what the title says, they're doing a 9 to 5 job most of the week and working on their comics on spare time. Do alot of them wish they could do it full time? Hell yes but there's no god damn money in this industry unless you somehow make some million dollar idea and everything falls into place. Do I personally wish there were more creators highlighted that don't have a wealthy background? Frick yeah and plenty of those in indie or webcomic but once again they gotta do tons of other shit to keep their heads above water. I just hate this advocacy when there is no push cause as I said there's no damn money in this industry to motivate the 9 to 5 creators to join it fully.
IIRC, Marvel and DC's policies are not creator friendly as well, as anything you pitch to them will be owned by them even if they reject it.
I've known people who worked for the Big 2 and usually it goes like this:
>If you're not considered A-list talent then you're pretty much gonna be fricked in terms of rates
>Anything that's your standard will be cut in half
>Insane deadlines, like if you're an artist they will ask if you wanna be on a certain book before a script is even written. If you agree then pray the writer actually turns it in on time or you'll be stuck having to complete a 25 - 32 page book in one week.
>If you bring up pay rates they'll give you a YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL WE HIRED YOU/THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR CAREER while they throw quarter a million contracts at Bendis' who's name is more poison for a book now
>Pray you don't get sick cause they ain't gonna do shit to help you.
All of these just add up to 'Why would I quit a stable 9 to 5 for this shit?'
>while they throw quarter a million contracts at Bendis' who's name is more poison for a book now
His career ended after his contract with DC ran out, they weren't happy with the sales given what they paid for him.
It was a god damn dumb idea to give him that contract in the first place. They were doing okay for once then that Bendis arrival was like a harbinger of things going back to shit for DC.
>They were doing okay for once then that Bendis arrival was like a harbinger of things going back to shit for DC.
Just as planned, DilDio fricking hated Rebirth on principle and did his worse to sabotage it.
>beyond the ususally costal liberal voice
That’s specifically untrue
And now I know why people outside of America care about American politics so much even when it should be none of their concern. When America, The Moral Police of the world, has shit like this, you wonder of we should actually heed their words over China.
It was in Canada though
Their values are close to American progressives at thsi point, that it doesn't matter anymore.
Americas fridge