Its kinda implied that Iroh’s fire breath technique is one of the hottest fire bending moves, able to even work in freezing cold environments that would render most of other fire bending techniques useless.
There is no good answer to this, Iroh is too much of a chad and can’t be contained.
it's not, it's just a firebender using their internal heat to produce fire instead of needing to source heat from outside sources. Example: Zuko using breath of fire in the arctic in book 1 when it was too cold and dark to create fire any other way
>Only the 1% of the 1% of all firebenders would be able to go that hot without dying.
IIRC, the bars on Iroh's cell were bent, not melted or burned. Also, a toddler with regular flames was able to melt through a metal door during her first time firebending.
How did the fire nation take over if there's only like a handful of competent firebenders and the rest lose the moment someone with three minutes of bending training shows up?
>How did the fire nation take over if there's only like a handful of competent firebenders and the rest lose the moment someone with three minutes of bending training shows up?
They had an industrial revolution powered by the fact they were apparently the first nation to expolit the fact that bending violates the laws of physics, where more organized and centralized than the other nations due to Fire Nation Avatar before Roku's intervention and Fire Lords actively destorying the old clan system, and firebenders are the only group of benders that don't need an element to bend, they self-generate.
>their bending type also lends itself to smelting.
Yes, but considering all the bending types violate the laws of physics, the Fire Nation's relative advantage when it comes to metal working shouldn't have mattered. The air nomads could have created massive wind farms, the Earth Kingdom could have engaged in industrial level agriculture, and there is a million industrial applications to waterbending. The real question is why did it take until Sozin's Era for the Avatar world to start its version of the industrial revolution? Is it because bending stunted the growth of humanity?
all of those require immense amounts of refined copper, metal, electronics, WW1-level understanding of the haber process and all sorts of other materials. The industrial revolution as caused by Britain's mining industry and a sudden influx of coal allowing them to power steam engines and smelting to gain material.
Fire benders just happened to have a bending art that allowed them to smelt as much as they want right from the start. It's almost a pity we didn't see some of the insane factories they probably had going in the background.
>Britain's mining industry and a sudden influx of coal allowing them to power steam engines and smelting to gain material.
Horsepower was used as measurement because engines replaced horses as the main means of production. A decently trained bender can do the work of ten to twenty horses while elite to master benders can do the work of 50 to a 100 horses. Remember how those big ass trains in Ba Sing Se proper were powered by benders? The ATLA world doesn't need the all shit our world needed to industrialize.
>It's almost a pity we didn't see some of the insane factories they probably had going in the background.
I really wish they didn't gloss over how bending and spirits influenced technology in the comics, TLOK, or extended lore. It would have been interesting for example to see the development of those lightning plants.
unless the air nomads knew what a faraday disk was, the only use they'd get out of a "wind farm" is grinding wheat up into flour
>wind farms
Ignoring how moronic you are for suggesting such a thing, why would they even bother if it was possible? They don’t have a centralized government or military. They live isolated and off the land, they’re not trying to get rich or create an industrialized society. >the Earth Kingdom could have engaged in industrial level agriculture
They did. Did you miss the massive farmland inside the walls of Ba Sing Se, which is a city the size of a country? >a million industrial applications to waterbending
What industry are you referring to? It couldn’t be industries that don’t exist in the avatar world, right? Surely you wouldn’t suggest hydroelectric power or water jets for precision machining small pieces of metal in the middle of the north pole. Right?
After reflecting and reading the posts above, I realize that I am out of my depth on this topic, so I'll let you anons take the led on this.
>wind farms
Ignoring how moronic you are for suggesting such a thing, why would they even bother if it was possible? They don’t have a centralized government or military. They live isolated and off the land, they’re not trying to get rich or create an industrialized society. >the Earth Kingdom could have engaged in industrial level agriculture
They did. Did you miss the massive farmland inside the walls of Ba Sing Se, which is a city the size of a country? >a million industrial applications to waterbending
What industry are you referring to? It couldn’t be industries that don’t exist in the avatar world, right? Surely you wouldn’t suggest hydroelectric power or water jets for precision machining small pieces of metal in the middle of the north pole. Right?
>The first hydroelectric power plant, the Vulcan Street Plant, began operating in Appleton, Wisconsin in 1882
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So you are moronic, got it.
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>So you are moronic, got it.
That's a different anon. I admitted I was out of my depth and talking about shit I don't know enough to be talking about here
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After reflecting and reading the posts above, I realize that I am out of my depth on this topic, so I'll let you anons take the led on this.
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I’m astounded by how little thought you put into this. All it takes is the tiniest amount of logical thinking. For the Northern Water Tribe to even consider hydroelectric power, the idea would first need to be conceived. And for that to happen, a dozen or more other discoveries would need to be made beforehand and then built upon within that society. The Fire Nation is ahead technologically, so let’s assume for the sake of argument that they are at the level to invent hydroelectric power (a huge stretch considering the Fire Nation barely uses electricity if at all, but let’s go with it). The only way the Water Tribes would be building hydroelectric power plants is if the Fire Nation not only shared their scientific discoveries, but also traded the necessary materials and knowledge with their enemy. The Water tribes CANNOT make these discoveries themselves because they lack the environment that would foster such discovery. They don’t have an incentive to store energy in water because they control water itself.
To add onto that, your argument is a non-sequitur. The Fire Nation’s technology has nothing to to with the Water tribe’s level of technology. You’re basically arguing that first world nation X has a nuclear plant, so obviously third world nation Y should have a thriving society powered purely by solar because they exist in a sunny area.
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The reason why the water tribes didn't invent it or anything close is because they're inbred and autistically follow tradition. They would have super-charged hydroelectric power since they can make water flow faster.
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Where are they gonna get the materials to build an electric turbine. They live in Arctic.
I can think of at least a couple neat ways you could use waterbending for low-tech transportation. Pulleys/belts with waterskins secured to them, pipes, stuff like that.
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I don't think non-master waterbenders can move that much water or do it for all that long.
>Keeping a firebender in a metal prison is moronic. >Forgetting Iroh deliberately acted like a broken old man so Ozai and the guards wouldn't think he was a threat to escape.
Right, Iroh fed into the guard's ego and gave no sign of defiance until the time was right. Zuko also wanted him around, he probably kept Iroh from being transferred to Boiling Rock (as they should've done)
Firebenders aren't fireproof. He shouldn't be able to grab a glowing-hot iron bar without burning himself.
could use cloth or a food bowl as a makeshift boot to kick the compromised bar down
>Tru, they should've kept him beneath a tundra somehow instead of just killing him.
Why didn't they put Azula in a tundra prison like they did with P'Li if they were going to allow her to keep her bending?
You mistook fire bending as being immune to burn from the fire damage. I mean sure a fire bender could potentially escape their metal confinement, barring they can make it out alive without suffering third degree burn.
Iron melts at 2,800°F.
Only the 1% of the 1% of all firebenders would be able to go that hot without dying.
You don't need to melt iron to escape, it becomes compromised and malleable at much cooler temperatures.
frick you 9/11 was an inside job
Its kinda implied that Iroh’s fire breath technique is one of the hottest fire bending moves, able to even work in freezing cold environments that would render most of other fire bending techniques useless.
There is no good answer to this, Iroh is too much of a chad and can’t be contained.
it's not, it's just a firebender using their internal heat to produce fire instead of needing to source heat from outside sources. Example: Zuko using breath of fire in the arctic in book 1 when it was too cold and dark to create fire any other way
>Only the 1% of the 1% of all firebenders would be able to go that hot without dying.
IIRC, the bars on Iroh's cell were bent, not melted or burned. Also, a toddler with regular flames was able to melt through a metal door during her first time firebending.
>comics
Stop that shit right now. You already have Aang as an example when learned how to fire bend and hit Katara but it was just 1st degree burns.
>Comics being shit chapter 1349193
Wow
>post OG Avatar writing
>muh steel beams
What other prison could you keep them in that is readily accessible in the Fire Nation?
Refrigerator rooms, like the ones at boiling rock
still made of metal
How did the fire nation take over if there's only like a handful of competent firebenders and the rest lose the moment someone with three minutes of bending training shows up?
storm trooper effect
>How did the fire nation take over if there's only like a handful of competent firebenders and the rest lose the moment someone with three minutes of bending training shows up?
They had an industrial revolution powered by the fact they were apparently the first nation to expolit the fact that bending violates the laws of physics, where more organized and centralized than the other nations due to Fire Nation Avatar before Roku's intervention and Fire Lords actively destorying the old clan system, and firebenders are the only group of benders that don't need an element to bend, they self-generate.
their bending type also lends itself to smelting.
>their bending type also lends itself to smelting.
Yes, but considering all the bending types violate the laws of physics, the Fire Nation's relative advantage when it comes to metal working shouldn't have mattered. The air nomads could have created massive wind farms, the Earth Kingdom could have engaged in industrial level agriculture, and there is a million industrial applications to waterbending. The real question is why did it take until Sozin's Era for the Avatar world to start its version of the industrial revolution? Is it because bending stunted the growth of humanity?
all of those require immense amounts of refined copper, metal, electronics, WW1-level understanding of the haber process and all sorts of other materials. The industrial revolution as caused by Britain's mining industry and a sudden influx of coal allowing them to power steam engines and smelting to gain material.
Fire benders just happened to have a bending art that allowed them to smelt as much as they want right from the start. It's almost a pity we didn't see some of the insane factories they probably had going in the background.
>Britain's mining industry and a sudden influx of coal allowing them to power steam engines and smelting to gain material.
Horsepower was used as measurement because engines replaced horses as the main means of production. A decently trained bender can do the work of ten to twenty horses while elite to master benders can do the work of 50 to a 100 horses. Remember how those big ass trains in Ba Sing Se proper were powered by benders? The ATLA world doesn't need the all shit our world needed to industrialize.
>It's almost a pity we didn't see some of the insane factories they probably had going in the background.
I really wish they didn't gloss over how bending and spirits influenced technology in the comics, TLOK, or extended lore. It would have been interesting for example to see the development of those lightning plants.
After reflecting and reading the posts above, I realize that I am out of my depth on this topic, so I'll let you anons take the led on this.
unless the air nomads knew what a faraday disk was, the only use they'd get out of a "wind farm" is grinding wheat up into flour
Having impervious metal ships is pretty useful.
>wind farms
Ignoring how moronic you are for suggesting such a thing, why would they even bother if it was possible? They don’t have a centralized government or military. They live isolated and off the land, they’re not trying to get rich or create an industrialized society.
>the Earth Kingdom could have engaged in industrial level agriculture
They did. Did you miss the massive farmland inside the walls of Ba Sing Se, which is a city the size of a country?
>a million industrial applications to waterbending
What industry are you referring to? It couldn’t be industries that don’t exist in the avatar world, right? Surely you wouldn’t suggest hydroelectric power or water jets for precision machining small pieces of metal in the middle of the north pole. Right?
>The first hydroelectric power plant, the Vulcan Street Plant, began operating in Appleton, Wisconsin in 1882
So you are moronic, got it.
>So you are moronic, got it.
That's a different anon. I admitted I was out of my depth and talking about shit I don't know enough to be talking about here
post your credentials
I’m astounded by how little thought you put into this. All it takes is the tiniest amount of logical thinking. For the Northern Water Tribe to even consider hydroelectric power, the idea would first need to be conceived. And for that to happen, a dozen or more other discoveries would need to be made beforehand and then built upon within that society. The Fire Nation is ahead technologically, so let’s assume for the sake of argument that they are at the level to invent hydroelectric power (a huge stretch considering the Fire Nation barely uses electricity if at all, but let’s go with it). The only way the Water Tribes would be building hydroelectric power plants is if the Fire Nation not only shared their scientific discoveries, but also traded the necessary materials and knowledge with their enemy. The Water tribes CANNOT make these discoveries themselves because they lack the environment that would foster such discovery. They don’t have an incentive to store energy in water because they control water itself.
To add onto that, your argument is a non-sequitur. The Fire Nation’s technology has nothing to to with the Water tribe’s level of technology. You’re basically arguing that first world nation X has a nuclear plant, so obviously third world nation Y should have a thriving society powered purely by solar because they exist in a sunny area.
The reason why the water tribes didn't invent it or anything close is because they're inbred and autistically follow tradition. They would have super-charged hydroelectric power since they can make water flow faster.
Where are they gonna get the materials to build an electric turbine. They live in Arctic.
I can think of at least a couple neat ways you could use waterbending for low-tech transportation. Pulleys/belts with waterskins secured to them, pipes, stuff like that.
I don't think non-master waterbenders can move that much water or do it for all that long.
Wasn’t Iroh pretending to be mentally broken at the time? No need for extreme measures when he couldn’t even make a spark.
They thought Iroh was senile old man at this point so they didn't bother giving him a real prison.
>Keeping a firebender in a metal prison is moronic.
>Forgetting Iroh deliberately acted like a broken old man so Ozai and the guards wouldn't think he was a threat to escape.
Right, Iroh fed into the guard's ego and gave no sign of defiance until the time was right. Zuko also wanted him around, he probably kept Iroh from being transferred to Boiling Rock (as they should've done)
could use cloth or a food bowl as a makeshift boot to kick the compromised bar down
The pic in the OP he's grabbing it with an improvised glove.
Tru, they should've kept him beneath a tundra somehow instead of just killing him.
>Tru, they should've kept him beneath a tundra somehow instead of just killing him.
Why didn't they put Azula in a tundra prison like they did with P'Li if they were going to allow her to keep her bending?
Firebenders aren't fireproof. He shouldn't be able to grab a glowing-hot iron bar without burning himself.
Didn't he went there willingly?
You mistook fire bending as being immune to burn from the fire damage. I mean sure a fire bender could potentially escape their metal confinement, barring they can make it out alive without suffering third degree burn.