why because it was a bunch of pretentious gays making a cyberpunk slop but in the star wars universe with nothing about the star wars universe present except boring unoriginal character from spin off movie?
i made a couple posts at most is strawmanning how cool mature andor gays rebuke arguments? some adults amirite. maybe you should stick to the brand recognition Hollywood slop for babies and think you are mature,
pretension is when you think you are more intelligent when you really are. Which is exactly what i think of when I think of dark and gritty cyberpunk slop putting itself into the star wars universe for brand recognition. It was a movie for 10 year olds when it came out. Andor gays can't cope about that. They just want to watch "mature themes" in their brand slop without actually doing the due diligence to see any kino art worth watching, pretty sad. Andor gays are like a broken record. They just repeat over and over how "mature and grimdark" this series set in the space adventure franchise for pre teen boys is grim dark edgy kino. LMAO, puhlease. You are just like kids who want to pretend to be grown up. Baht what i think of andorgays.
continue watching your M rated for 17 year olds andor slop and thinking you are some genius because you don't like phantom menace like the other childish milquetaost star wars fans.
>They just repeat over and over how "mature and grimdark" this series set in the space adventure franchise for pre teen boys is grim dark edgy kino. LMAO, puhlease.
I almost never see this unless it's someone baiting. It's just a well-made show with strong craft at every level. TPM is many things, but it isn't well-made. Neither is Book of Boba Fett nor Ahsoka nor The Force Awakens. I don't expect or want all of Star Wars to resemble Andor's tone or pace. I just wish all of Star Wars had that level of thought put into it no matter the targeted demographic.
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>TPM is many things, but it isn't well-made
You're just really dumb. It's exceptionally well made but a funny little thing you people keep forgetting is that Andor cost a quarter billion to make (Season 1 alone).
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Explains why it's so good
7 months ago
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But it's not though. It's literally just a lipstick on a pig case.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Best Star Wars production since the OT, might even surpass Empire, keep coping
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>keep coping
No one will ever care about your garbage take.
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>You're just really dumb.
You're very sensitive. >It's exceptionally well made
Parts of it are. On the whole it is not.
Andor was expensive, yes. It's arguable that some of this money was not used as efficiently as it could have been. But there's no denying that the production nevertheless reflects its high budget, and that's a credit to it. It's not like they poured money down the drain. You can see where it went even if you might have wished it went elsewhere. Besides, many of the show's strongest qualities can't be linked merely to its high budget (the excellent casting extends to small parts, for example). It's well-considered.
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>really put on the nerd glasses for this
Didn't read.
7 months ago
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I imagine it's difficult to read with all the semen on your face.
7 months ago
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>thinks about gay sex all the time
Come out of the closet, anon.
7 months ago
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Wipe the cum off your chin.
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see
>thinks about gay sex all the time
Come out of the closet, anon.
Not that guy but every single one of the speeches is pretentious. The characters say absolutely nothing of substance but the way it's directed makes it seem like it's important.
No aliens no lightsabers no big space battles no dumbass moron space politics just Floyd acab riots no cool gizmos or gadgets no funny droids no sense of humor or charm at all wow so exciting to see star wars as an "adult" where they carry around ak47s and m16s talking about resisting the fascist empire
The problem with Andor is I didn't see what it was adding to the Star Wars franchise as a whole. Just new characters we don't know, while we learn very little about pre-existing characters. Like what if a younger Boba Fett showed up and we could learn about him? Or maybe Bail Organa cameos and teaches Mon Mothma about the Jedi. Stuff like that is what was missing y'know.
It showed Luke as murderous incel.
I never liked the Mandalore arcs especially on clone wars, felt so forced. Who cares about a bunch of militaristic buttholes.
>It showed Luke as murderous incel.
which is actually a problem luke is supposed to be the ideal jedi after the jedi order had fallen to their own hubris. whatver they need to do to make cyberpunk slop set in pre established setting for brand recognition slop dolalrs thouhg iguess.
>this movie about a heroes journey space wizard wasn't grimdark enough
I know it's hard for you plinkett zoom zooms to understand but star wars was never a "dark and gritty" franchise. Just think star wars came out around the same time as taxi driver. Ya'll really think george lucas was going for an edgy adult movie vibe when he made star wars? PUHLEASE
Whenever i see andor discussion it's andorgays spitting in the face of what star wars is supposed to be and wanting it to be more like terminator or game of thrones, it's utterly pathetic.
Check the Yoda journey to Force planet in season 6 of Clone Wars. Basically implies exactly what Disney Developed. Now frick off, you giant cretin.
I'm older than you.
>posts Lucas >calls his Clone Wars series that he officially declared as a part if his world and the same as the movies "not canon" and "EU"
lol, either a troll, or a cretin
Is he? Maybe the balance was just the destruction of the Sith everything else being irrelevant since the Force never bothered to put the stamp of virtue on anyone in particular.
The Force works exactly that way since it has a will of its own and has indicated that the Sith are a cancer, it also used the Chosen One prophecy on its own.
To be fair the video is too short. Download the entire episode. The challenges Yoda go through are the kernels that were developed in the Yidsney series.. and fricking Lucas thought about those.
For me Andor gave me >actual looks into how the Empire operates, how people living and working under the Empire justify their actions and humanizing them instead of making all comically evil >show how the average person lives under and deals with the Empire >made me genuinely root for the rebels the first time and genuinely hate the Empire for the first time. Yeah the Empire was always evil the rebels were always the good guys but man I have never felt so triumphant about the rebels winning as with the Prisoners breaking out of Narkina 5 >showing development how the Empire slowly tightened its grasp on the Galaxy. Star Wars before was always "Order 66 - Boom - Empire" in Andor you actually saw and how understood how the average person had varying degrees of acceptance for the Empire or didn't even notice the Empire tightening its grip on them. It's best explained in the scene where the imperial explained how they slowly demoralized the Aldhani and how that is more effective than fighting them >actually carried the message of rebellion so very well. The most amazing scene is obviously how they break out of Narkina 5 but what's most remarkable is how easy it was for the prisoners to break out once they banded together after escape seemed so impossible at first. Really sold the message "Alone we can't do anything, together we are unstoppable" pretty well. Simple message, but you rarely see it done so well >speaking of simple messages that were executed well in Andor I also really liked how Andor portrayed how the Rebels aren't all sunshine and do their fair share of necessary crimes. Yes simply message, morals are grey and all, but Andor executes it so well. The morally Grey characters are still the morally correct characters despite murdering, deceiving, stealing and blackmailing and even taking kids hostage. I really liked that the good guys didn't shy away from using crass tactics >"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"
Well said.
It was brilliant that it started with the Corpo security first. It showed how the Empire grabbed more authority bit by bit. It showed how there can be so many degrees to authoritarianism. The Corpo guys had a genuine believe in loyalty and order, despite having some naively misplaced loyalty. But the Empire that replaced them was far more malicious and far more oppressive than the corporation would ever think to be. If the antagonists had just been sadist dickhead Imperials from episode one, the show would have meant a lot less.
> Andor portrayed how the Rebels aren't all sunshine and do their fair share of necessary crimes.
And we’re losing. They were doing necessary crimes and terrorism and evil stuff and they were *losing*. The Rebellion didn’t score a major victory until the Battle of Scarif, which is classic black-and-white, good verses evil. And that victory led to the Battle of Yavin.
I honestly thought that was the throughline of Rogue One. We see this darker, more morally compromised, more grim and gritty rebellion willing to do dark or evil things in the name of taking down the Empire and they’re LOSING. It isn’t until the start acting like big damn heroes and start doing the right things for the right reasons that they start winning, but once they do they go from the brink of destruction to the death of the Emperor in just 4 years.
Don’t get me wrong, I actually do love seeing all the dark and necessary things that are happening in Andor, I enjoyed the series…but in the sense that I like MacBeth or The Tempest. It’s a tragedy, showing the Rebellion gradually losing. They get their small victories here and there but the net effect over and over again as the Empire keeps tightening its grip and carrying on with no serious damage done.
Star Wars is a narrative universe with actual, tangible Good and Evil in it. The Rebellion is never going to beat the Empire by being willing to stoop to the same depths as it.
>and genuinely hate the Empire for the first time.
this. I always enjoyed the aesthetics of the empire and didn't really think about it beyond that because their portrayal was so cartoonish, but Andor genuinely made me hate the c**ts, stormtroopers, officers, whatever. It's also interesting to see how much more intelligent everyone in the ISB seemed compared to every other depiction of high ranking imperial officers across all the other star wars media I've seen. deedra is a legitimately good and hateable villain, even though at times I was almost rooting for her. I wish andor wasn't even set in the star wars universe but instead it's own independent sci fi world, I hate thinking about the prison sequence being in the same world as jar jar binks and baby yoda.
Slavery at Jabba's and Oola's fate was far more horrifying than that gay prison shit in blandor. A bunch of gays living in the equivalent of a Star Wars hotel having to do menial tasks. Wow, such a dystopia! You blandorgays are such soihomosexuals, it's hilarious.
>The problem with Andor is I didn't see what it was adding to the Star Wars franchise as a whole.
What the frick does Ahsoka add to the franchise? The only appeal is Ray Stevenson being a good actor (and making Baylan work despite Baylan barely having characterization) and fanservice in the form of flashing Hayden Christensen on screen as a force ghost every once in a while. Other than that, Ahsoka adds nothing. Its strongest aspect is that it isn't as trash as Kenobi.
>You WILL add 50 new characters and vehicles so I can sell them as toys >You WILL cram in as many established characters and vehicles so we can use them for advertising >You WILL include the force and lightsabers >You WILL edit then re-release the movie or show every 3 years with more CGI crap forced into every scene >You WILL NOT watch the original trilogy in it's original form
This is bait but there are people that actually believe this, and that's part of the problem. Filoni can't resist writing, sometimes cramming, every episode or series with some callbacks or references to previous canon. Andor doesn't do that, and the people that expect that from every Star Was property had a meltdown.
The mere fact that a series about a literal who character is standing up there with the supposed prestige projects of Disney Wars just goes to show how good Andor is in comparison to the obvious fanbait
Well you have to do it else why bother?
I've realized that I was already doing that as a kid with video games, those had writing way worse than these shows and I always found ways to enjoy myself and even the story by focusing on the relevant parts and characters.
Kind of agree actually. It's much easier to write a show like Andor because all the tropes of authoritarian techno-dictatorships have been covered in the 70's and 80's and you just have to transplant them onto Star Wars.
This spammer is beyond moronic. Notice how he's fixated on an imaginary boogeyman and replies "against it" to every person regardless of the topic.
I wish him the best, some awareness of his behavior could work.
I find them to be superior to the fans of 95% of genres and shows out there to be honest.
It's just that they're artificially divided and waste too much time flaming each other instead of engaging in the type of higher-level discussions they're all capable of.
Andor is not even a Star Wars show. It's a mediocre attempt at a political drama with elements from heist movies and prison escape. Its objectively garbage compared with any half-decent drama, but it looks much better because people were comparing it with Disney Wars and Rings of Power.
It ought to have some redeemable scenes or elements I just didn't bother find those after the first few episodes. It was abominable empty dialogues slop.
Andor was good but I don't think you can make many stories like it. Andor works because the only thing it takes from Star Wars is the Empire itself (and that random woman from Return of the Jedi) so it doesn't feel like re-treading old ground too much. But it's okay because the Empire is huge and you can tell stories about it without having to bring out Tie Fighters and Stormtroopers and Darth Vader every ten seconds. The thing is, you can't do that with just anything in Star Wars. You can't have a TV show about Lando/Bespin for example because there just isn't enough to use without heavily leaning on other Star Wars shit. I think this is why the Lando series became a Lando movie (and I think it's still gonna suck). If I were Gilroy, the next series I would do after Andor would focus on the other big aspect of the OT, the "scum and villainy". Do a show about a bounty hunter, thief or smuggler and explore the gritty underworld. Again, barely involve anything else from Star Wars apart from the aesthetic. The Empire should seldom appear, Jabba/Tatooine should be mentioned at most and the series should rely on new characters, droids, aliens, planets and shady crime groups to draw the audience in. You'll get some of the same criticism that Andor got - that it isn't "Star Wars" enough but that's just the way with Star Wars media. Everything is either too unoriginal or doesn't feel like Star Wars.
There was this one episode in Mandalorian where I actually thought they'd take inspiration from Andor and explore the more average characters of the galaxy and how the fall of the Empire affects them only for it to take the most moronic turn with a moronic brainwashing machine device and then go back to Mando saving some kid from a dinosaur creature or whatever. So in the end Filoni incompetence won again, but for a short moment I saw how Andor's quality could have been carried onto other shows. Its possible but the majority of Disney Writers are just too shit for it
I´m impressed. This is actually accurate. Favreau and Filoni actually managed to make something SW like so those are at the top. Andor is technically and artistically competent but it´s not SW like so that´s third. Kenobi is not SW like and it´s technically incompetent so it goes last.
>Andor senate scene >no Mas Amedda, the official speaker of the senate in place of Palpatine who launches all the senate hearings >no aliens, despite the PT establishing that the majority of the senate were aliens >just moth mothma talking into the void
Disappointing.
I used to be a huge star wars fan as a kid. Nuwars turned me off completely...I didn't even like the force awakens. Anyway rogue one and andor were kino. Dropped mandalorian after season 2 and haven't made it through a season of anything else. Thats my 2 cents. You are welcome.
YOU KNOW, ANDOR WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD????? YA I KNOW ALL THE RECENT STAR WARS MOVIES WERE SHIT, OBI WAN, AND 90% OF MANDALORIAN, AND BOOK OF BOBA FETT WERE ALL SHITSLOP BUT DUDE ANDOR, THIS ONE IS LIKE, DARK AND NOT SLOP AT ALL LIKE IF U JUST BARELY THINK OF IT AS A STAR WARS THING ITS LIKE NOT THAT BAD?????
It's really amazing how Andor can make the brutalism and banality of the Empire also look intriguing and good
They've really outdone themselves with picking the locations
I wish Disney put this much love and care into anything else regarding to Star Wars, but Andor really is the sole exception
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Anonymous
>I wish Disney put this much love and care into anything else regarding to Star Wars, but Andor really is the sole exception
for me Star Wars (from the 80s) represented cutting edge, prestige and high quality. There is no reason for current day star wars to be anything other than the highest quality writing and directing.... I blame capitalism, George Lucas was right, in russia you can make real art. In amerikkka you are forced to make slop. The only reason we even have the OT is because George went outside the system and made his own.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>in russia you can make real art
hahahaha
AHAHAHHAHAHAAH
zigger, please
7 months ago
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thats literally a quote from Lucas
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How about you put a date on it.
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>34t34t34t34t34t34t34t34t3(...).jpg
Are you having a stroke? Why do you name your files like this?
7 months ago
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>Why do you name your files like this?
because i take so many screenshots, if I named them correctly the movie would be over.
7 months ago
Anonymous
mentally ill ESL dumbass
7 months ago
Anonymous
you didn't get the spaceballs reference, you are a zoomer
7 months ago
Anonymous
>this much love and care
No. Look, it's true that there's a lot of incompetency going on over at Disney and Andor being somewhat distanced from that production-wise is a plus but just on a concept level Andor is pure garbage and it's not really impressively well-made either if you consider its price tag.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's something professionals would disagree with deeply.
7 months ago
Anonymous
imagine seeing awards for any of the other star wars shows... you cant
7 months ago
Anonymous
Star Wars used to be a prestige movie. The OT won all kinds of awards for its groundbreaking cinematography. It's something Nu Wars fans don't understand. They don't respect the art of making movies.
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ANH won Oscars for VFX and editing. ESB won one only for VFX. That's it. ROTJ won nothing. The PT won nothing but golden raspberries. The only award that George would win since ESB would be two Emmies for TCW.
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>The PT won nothing but golden raspberries. The only award that George would win since ESB would be two Emmies for TCW.
thats because of the deep state
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Anonymous
>Deep State forced Lucas to put Jar Jar Binks fart and poop jokes in Phantom Menace
The one bit of Star Wars autism I have because I played Rogue Squadron is this: that's a bomber. Its primary purpose is bombing shit on the ground. It's not a fighter, let alone an interceptor. SO WHY LE HECKIN SCIENCE IS IT RAPING ALL THOS X-WINGS??
It depends on your existing knowledge. If a person knows one iota about guns, the Stormies carry Lewis Guns and German MGs with just the magazine removed. That's it. The Stormtrooper blasters are visibly Sterlings with some shit attached. But I guess if you didn't grow up watching WWII movies or were a Euro, they wouldn't stand out. For some people that obvious use of weapons in sci fi is part of what makes it cool, similar to the uniforms of the Empire and the X-Wing pilots evoking real world imagery, or Vader and even now Ahsoka with their Samurai shit.
It just depends. The mauser Han's blaster was based on was a famous gun before it became a pop culture icon with a scope and a funnel screwed onto it.
Similarly, the AK and AR variants in modern SW have had more done to them than those machine guns in the OT had. The image of the guy with the AK everyone posts also shows that it's had the dust cover and back end replaced with bits of a receiver from a German MP, for example.
It's an empty complaint for some, but I can see how I RECOGNISE THING can be bad in context, or good in context. I think arming the Rebels with American weapons when they are a military and Commie weapons when they are an insurgency, and the Empire with German and British weapons is kind of neat, personally.
7 months ago
Anonymous
So you agree it's less obvious.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It depends on the context of the person's complaint. If it's just "I don't like thing, an AK stands out too much to me", I respect that even though I happen to like the imagery. It's not subtle, so objection to that is fine to me, it's personal taste.
But if it's "That's not a gun design in keeping with Star Wars", that's a complaint from a position of misinformation. The original film has guns with less work done to them to make them sci-fi and they became iconic.
>Similarly, the AK and AR variants in modern SW have had more done to them than those machine guns in the OT had.
That's just untrue.
The MGs in the OT just had their mags removed. The AK has a different top rear quarter and some greebly shit on the mag. The AR pattern Rebel blasters in R1 have greebly stocks and scopes and the barrels are sometimes custom.
The Stormtrooper gun is a Sterling with a short mag and a scope on top. Han's blaster has a scope and a barrel device screwed on.
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Anonymous
I get all that. But they at least changed enough about those weapons and costumes to make them at least appear different even if you subconsciously noticed the WW2 imagery.
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Anonymous
>Similarly, the AK and AR variants in modern SW have had more done to them than those machine guns in the OT had.
That's just untrue.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not attached to it either way. I understand the complaint in this specific case, but it's such a minor detail given how elaborate the rest of the show's production design is that it feels like disingenuous shitposting to fixate on it.
Its what the audience for andor wanted. They just wanted a grounded political thriller in outer space. It doesn't fit star wars at all. It doesn't even fit the OT which it's defenders constantly claim. The OT with goofy aliens and gay droids and teddy bear monsters and t rex goblins in a slug monsters basement and guys with battle axes walking around next to dudes with space guns. You could just swap "Empire" with "Alliance" and you could market Andor as a show set in the Firefly universe more than Star Wars.
>It doesn't fit star wars at all.
That's stretching it. Grounded, politics-adjacent thrillers in the seedy star wars underbelly have been a staple of non-movie star wars content for years. How many Dark Horse Comic series were there back in the day that were nothing more than "star wars (but grimdark and written by a frank miller wannabe)". The Dark Forces game series was edgy mercenary power fantasy and it was super popular amongst star wars fans. Look at the popularity of boba fett and any media related to him chronicling his le badass adventures.
But you are touching on why the old EU-style of star wars worked for such a long time and why all of the nuwars media has become increasingly repulsive to large segments of their audience. Creators used to be able to make stuff that wasn't traditionally considered star wars, and if people didn't like it (or didn't think it was star wars-ey enough), then they could just ignore it and never had to have it cross their mind again. The different levels of canon bullshittery were just an easy way for autistic fans to rationalize things without sperging out. Did a comic book writer makes luke act like his deviantart OC? who cares, no one will ever bring it up again outside of the comic book series. People could pick and choose what they liked and star wars as a franchise was better off for it.
With nuwars everything is a headline STAR WARS product that comes with the accompanying shilling. What's worse is that nuwars loves obnoxiously shoving references to every single one of their other STAR WARS products in your face. If you hate Andor and think it's the farthest thing from star wars that exists, then you're going to be constantly reminded of its existence whenever disney decides to shit out its yearly nuwars offering.
gilroy did some reshoots and reworked 3rd act or something
prolly rewrote some
anyway I hate the darth vader action slop and I will never forgive gilroy for that shit though I imagine it was studio pressure
I love gilroy but I'd be interested to see edward's full movie
>anyway I hate the darth vader action slop and I will never forgive gilroy for that shit
That scene was embarrassing. You can safely ignore the opinion of anyone who praises it.
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Anonymous
I think the truth is Star Wars doesn't have much in it and if you want to make worthwhile stories with it, you either have to depart from the source material as much as you can or bend it a little bit to make something that isn't strictly "Star Wars". Otherwise you're doomed to make an entire galaxy that is just the OT copypasted over and over again. For example the Empire in the OT are never meant to be anything more than ruthless bastards. The human officers, their motivations, their morality, none of that was part of the OT. The Empire was iconic in part because it was completely infallible, completely evil. That's who they are.
But obviously Andor introduces rival Imperials who compete and bicker with each other, it introduces characters like Syril who are morally nuanced, it even shows ISB members who are double agents acting as spies, who fear for the lives of their families. That's not the same Empire we know but it makes a really engaging story
>It doesn't fit star wars at all.
so star wars has no politics?
or rebels using whatever scrap they can find to fight the empire?
star wars never tried to be grounded?
hold on i think what's missing for you is this image, right?
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Anonymous
No whats missing is literally everything in ANH. You know the aliens the goofy music the silly robots the big space battles yes the lightsabers the force the princesses and desert shaman the evil guy in all black choking people with his mind the humor the charm the goofiness the actual spirit of a movie for kids which is what star wars should be but yes also heroes, people you are inspired by when you're 10 because they're good guys and not when you're 30 looking to self insert as a heckin resistin antifa member with your ak47
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Anonymous
>star wars is a new hope >everything star wars should just be ANH over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
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Anonymous
This. Andor isn't Star Wars. And people putting it in the same sentence with the OT as if they fit together in any way are utterly moronic, delusional, dishonest, or everything combined.
>star wars is a new hope >everything star wars should just be ANH over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
Andor isn't anything Star Wars. It's not A New Hope. It's not ESB. It's not ROTJ. It's not the prequels. It is generic sci-fi drama in space london. And its fans are the single most obnoxious Black folk on the planet, who just won't frick off to watch Expanse instead of coming to the monastery with their own rules.
Only an autist looks at that and thinks "ah yes, Mauser C96". Even so, Star Wars has a heavy WW2 influence so the aesthetic works. Why is it suddenly a problem? Because no one ever put a fricking AK47 in Star Wars before.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Because no one ever put a fricking AK47 in Star Wars before.
again, you are just complaining it doesnt have enough useless greebles.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Lol and what you're suggesting is if it were -literally- just an ak47 that fired lead bullets youd love it.
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Anonymous
>ONLY LASER GUNS CAN EXIST IN STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i fricking hope it shoots bullets.
probably more lethal honestly
we see people get shot with blasters or even stabbed right through with lightsabers and live all the time.
why are bullets bad?
these are rebels who are supposed to have fricking nothing, literal scraps.
the empire would be searching for blasters and that kind of tech, not super old outdated ballistic firearms.
all the blasters are based on real guns
so is this one
i cannot see how anyone can actually see this as some egregious flaw in the show.
yeh its an ak... ok?
really if it had a fricking light bar on the side and a fat cone on the barrel NO ONE would care.
look at those old blaster designs.
you dont think rebels ever modified their guns?
if you took a "real star wars" blaster and took off the scope and the heat shield cone, it would look 99% like a real gun, would you be complaining that its a real gun? you can't imagine rebels modifying their weapons?
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see
>a star wars show being about Star Wars
Careful, Andor gays will get triggered.
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>i fricking hope it shoots bullets. >probably more lethal honestly
You have no idea what science fantasy is, do you? Your particular brand of autism is more suited to The Expanse or something similar.
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Anonymous
This. Andor isn't Star Wars. And people putting it in the same sentence with the OT as if they fit together in any way are utterly moronic, delusional, dishonest, or everything combined.
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Andor isn't anything Star Wars. It's not A New Hope. It's not ESB. It's not ROTJ. It's not the prequels. It is generic sci-fi drama in space london. And its fans are the single most obnoxious Black folk on the planet, who just won't frick off to watch Expanse instead of coming to the monastery with their own rules.
you this Black person too? >You have no idea what science fantasy is
yeh its when space magic and lightsabers right?
you are totally right anon, us andor fans HATE science fantasy. there is none of that in the show at all
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This. Andor isn't Star Wars. And people putting it in the same sentence with the OT as if they fit together in any way are utterly moronic, delusional, dishonest, or everything combined.
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Andor isn't anything Star Wars. It's not A New Hope. It's not ESB. It's not ROTJ. It's not the prequels. It is generic sci-fi drama in space london. And its fans are the single most obnoxious Black folk on the planet, who just won't frick off to watch Expanse instead of coming to the monastery with their own rules.
andor is kino because its star wars, but its also george lucas, it's his political beliefs and its THX1138. Gilroy did his homework.
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Anonymous
No I'm not the same guy and no that is not what science fantasy is. You will probably never get it. With the amount you were sperging about realism I'm surprised you're okay with that scene of Luthen and his spinning lasers, or maybe you just haven't thought about it. >us Andor fans
I like Andor. It's a great show. I'm just not blindly defending its flaws like other NPC fans.
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Anonymous
Andor makes the sci-fi tech so much cooler than anything else in the series in decades too. Like If you like the blasters in star wars you should love Andor because the they feel so much more powerful and dangerous than almost anywhere else in the franchise
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Anonymous
Well thats only because there are actual stakes in andor, no magic Jedi bullshit.
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>no magic Jedi bullshit.
and we know that pretty much everyone in it dies at some point so most main and side characters dont really have plot armour in the same way jedi do.
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Anonymous
You're unironically fine with them chucking something that is obviously a 20th century weapon into a sci-fi setting. No wonder Disney doesn't bother trying.
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>You're unironically fine with them chucking something that is obviously a 20th century weapon into a sci-fi setting.
yes i am, and so are you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That isn't obvious to me, because I am neither a boomer nor a gun autist. The old WW2 weapons at least had the excuse that the Empire was strongly influenced by Nazis and so the whole thing had a WW2 theme. Everyone and their mother associates the AK47 with Russians or the Taliban. If they absolutely have to use that weapon as the base, they could have at least switched up the design a bit so it isn't so painfully obvious.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>they could have at least switched up the design a bit so it isn't so painfully obvious.
so i am right, you would be ok if they added a bunch of useless greebles.
just like every other star wars blaster.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The world is already full of guns with a wide variety of designs. You don't have to add LEDs or pointless scopes if it triggers you so much. Just make it not so obvious. You keep reverting to muh greebles because you've got nothing else to argue with.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Just make it not so obvious
oh?
>You're unironically fine with them chucking something that is obviously a 20th century weapon into a sci-fi setting.
yes i am, and so are you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
See
That isn't obvious to me, because I am neither a boomer nor a gun autist. The old WW2 weapons at least had the excuse that the Empire was strongly influenced by Nazis and so the whole thing had a WW2 theme. Everyone and their mother associates the AK47 with Russians or the Taliban. If they absolutely have to use that weapon as the base, they could have at least switched up the design a bit so it isn't so painfully obvious.
7 months ago
Anonymous
One looks like shit, the other one doesn't. Blandor one is a bad design. Are you dense or sth?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>One looks like shit, the other one doesn't.
i think it looks perfectly fine and fits better with the rebel aesthetic
honestly my problem with the gun is that its too clean, i think it would look better if he was literally holding this gun.
>How many guards on each level? >Never more than 12
The line is actually great if you know the context. You shouldn't let some IRL politics bullshit influence how you see a TV show.
Not the same Anon but how would you be able to tell sub 100 IQ Anon.
You don't need to be incredibly intelligent to get Andor, but you're showing that sub 90 is not enough
Has always been such a shitty argument. 99% of ANH had no force and no lightsabers and it's still THE Star Wars experience. Andor is much closer to ANH than Filoni trash could ever be
gilroy did some reshoots and reworked 3rd act or something
prolly rewrote some
anyway I hate the darth vader action slop and I will never forgive gilroy for that shit though I imagine it was studio pressure
I love gilroy but I'd be interested to see edward's full movie
that's all the shitters working at mouse have: >lucas gave me secret lore information that contradicts his stuff (no source or quote, just secret conversation) >lucas called me, loved my shitty garbage that contradicts his stuff (no source or quote, just secret conversation) >lucas said something that contradicts our other bullshit (no source or quote, just secret conversation)
Andor was the first star wars thing I've watched since the prequels. Didn't watch anything else as I used to read a lot of the EU and already have my own "canon" about what happens after ROTJ and shit.
Only person in Andor I knew was Mon Mothma, and there's little told of her pre BBY in canon anyway.
It was a good show. Yes, it was grimdark and gritty in comparison. But it takes place at the moment where there is the least hope, and there's no jedi or force involved at all. I enjoyed it.
I hope they eventually make another new show/movie that can work with the SW canon.
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you like things for children anon. that's fine, I won't begrudge you for that. but coming and acting like it's high art that holds up to genuine scrutiny makes you seem like a little kid wandering around trying convince the adults to play with you and your action figures.
Anybody who thinks Mando is the best hasn't watched Season 3. Or most of season 2
Anybody who seriously rates Ahsoka is 1) a waifugay 2) a mouse shill or 3) David Filoni (which also implies 1) and 2))
The Kenobi rank is sus too, 5% is surely too high.
>IS >IS THAT >IS THAT A LITERAL WHO TWITTER ACCOUNT >WITH A moron POLL >WITH A LOW SAMPLE SIZE >OMGGGG I GOTTA MAKE A THREAD ON 4CHINS
honestly, how do you not have a nice day
I find it funny how ahsoka is extremely divisive in the fact that its filoni fans vs everyone else
andor comes into this when quality is mentioned
this discourse wasnt as bad as when mando S3 was airing, but now that a filoni project is under the spotlight, his fanboys start getting mad when his show is shown (and proven) to be shit
I don't know why people put themselves through this abuse. I got halfway though TFA and wrote off Disney forever. How you got multiple movies AND series in and are still tolerating this garbage is beyond me. It's not Star Wars.
I consider Ahsoka to be a legit 2/10 and I have to agree it's vastly superior to Obi Kenobi. Like, it's flabbergasting to think just how awful that show was in hindsight. Literally mind boggling. As for blandor, I can't speak on that dogshit since I dropped it after 2 eps.
It's sad you just can't have comfy Andor threads because one autist shits up every thread and Cinemaphile users are too moronic to just not reply to him. Oh well >ONE WAY OUT
I fully believe he'll show up in some future SW filoni-slop, say there was some emergency ships or something that he hijacked, remove all the poignant ambiguity from the scene and really make me happy.
if anyone from andor shows up in feloni slop it wont be kinography. mon mothma was in Assoka and she felt like a fake version of herself saying badly written lines.
A poll run by people who enjoy Filoni's slop has results that show that the people that enjoy Filoni's slop prefer slop over an actually competently written and produced show. What a shocker. have a nice day.
if they want to make star wars semi-serious then they need to do a legal drama following an ISB Agent just doing his job whilst also having to fight internal bureaucracy which is constantly making his job of hunting rebel criminals and spice traders difficult
well it's probably worst of the recent star wars tv shows imo. but that doesn't mean it's bad. others are just better
its easily the best piece of star wars media since the original series
why because it was a bunch of pretentious gays making a cyberpunk slop but in the star wars universe with nothing about the star wars universe present except boring unoriginal character from spin off movie?
You keep saying it's pretentious. How is it pretentious? Do you even know what that word means?
He's responsible for over 25% of the posts in this thread of course he doesn't know the meaning of that word.
i made a couple posts at most is strawmanning how cool mature andor gays rebuke arguments? some adults amirite. maybe you should stick to the brand recognition Hollywood slop for babies and think you are mature,
pretension is when you think you are more intelligent when you really are. Which is exactly what i think of when I think of dark and gritty cyberpunk slop putting itself into the star wars universe for brand recognition. It was a movie for 10 year olds when it came out. Andor gays can't cope about that. They just want to watch "mature themes" in their brand slop without actually doing the due diligence to see any kino art worth watching, pretty sad. Andor gays are like a broken record. They just repeat over and over how "mature and grimdark" this series set in the space adventure franchise for pre teen boys is grim dark edgy kino. LMAO, puhlease. You are just like kids who want to pretend to be grown up. Baht what i think of andorgays.
continue watching your M rated for 17 year olds andor slop and thinking you are some genius because you don't like phantom menace like the other childish milquetaost star wars fans.
That's a whole lot projecting you have there
>They just repeat over and over how "mature and grimdark" this series set in the space adventure franchise for pre teen boys is grim dark edgy kino. LMAO, puhlease.
I almost never see this unless it's someone baiting. It's just a well-made show with strong craft at every level. TPM is many things, but it isn't well-made. Neither is Book of Boba Fett nor Ahsoka nor The Force Awakens. I don't expect or want all of Star Wars to resemble Andor's tone or pace. I just wish all of Star Wars had that level of thought put into it no matter the targeted demographic.
>TPM is many things, but it isn't well-made
You're just really dumb. It's exceptionally well made but a funny little thing you people keep forgetting is that Andor cost a quarter billion to make (Season 1 alone).
Explains why it's so good
But it's not though. It's literally just a lipstick on a pig case.
Best Star Wars production since the OT, might even surpass Empire, keep coping
>keep coping
No one will ever care about your garbage take.
>You're just really dumb.
You're very sensitive.
>It's exceptionally well made
Parts of it are. On the whole it is not.
Andor was expensive, yes. It's arguable that some of this money was not used as efficiently as it could have been. But there's no denying that the production nevertheless reflects its high budget, and that's a credit to it. It's not like they poured money down the drain. You can see where it went even if you might have wished it went elsewhere. Besides, many of the show's strongest qualities can't be linked merely to its high budget (the excellent casting extends to small parts, for example). It's well-considered.
>really put on the nerd glasses for this
Didn't read.
I imagine it's difficult to read with all the semen on your face.
>thinks about gay sex all the time
Come out of the closet, anon.
Wipe the cum off your chin.
see
Not that guy but every single one of the speeches is pretentious. The characters say absolutely nothing of substance but the way it's directed makes it seem like it's important.
No aliens no lightsabers no big space battles no dumbass moron space politics just Floyd acab riots no cool gizmos or gadgets no funny droids no sense of humor or charm at all wow so exciting to see star wars as an "adult" where they carry around ak47s and m16s talking about resisting the fascist empire
>average basedwars fan can't handle kino
woah...
Mandalorian was the only one that left any sort of cultural imprint
The problem with Andor is I didn't see what it was adding to the Star Wars franchise as a whole. Just new characters we don't know, while we learn very little about pre-existing characters. Like what if a younger Boba Fett showed up and we could learn about him? Or maybe Bail Organa cameos and teaches Mon Mothma about the Jedi. Stuff like that is what was missing y'know.
>a star wars show being about Star Wars
Careful, Andor gays will get triggered.
really sad you unironically agreed with the very obvious bait
well crafted bait
It was an incredibly obvious bait. It might catch out some ESL’s but that’s about it.
It showed Luke as murderous incel.
I never liked the Mandalore arcs especially on clone wars, felt so forced. Who cares about a bunch of militaristic buttholes.
They are peaceful buttholes now, war is bad okay?
>It showed Luke as murderous incel.
which is actually a problem luke is supposed to be the ideal jedi after the jedi order had fallen to their own hubris. whatver they need to do to make cyberpunk slop set in pre established setting for brand recognition slop dolalrs thouhg iguess.
>this movie about a heroes journey space wizard wasn't grimdark enough
I know it's hard for you plinkett zoom zooms to understand but star wars was never a "dark and gritty" franchise. Just think star wars came out around the same time as taxi driver. Ya'll really think george lucas was going for an edgy adult movie vibe when he made star wars? PUHLEASE
Whenever i see andor discussion it's andorgays spitting in the face of what star wars is supposed to be and wanting it to be more like terminator or game of thrones, it's utterly pathetic.
Check the Yoda journey to Force planet in season 6 of Clone Wars. Basically implies exactly what Disney Developed. Now frick off, you giant cretin.
I'm older than you.
>gayloni shit
if it wasn't in a mainline star wars movie it's not canon sorry. Eu shit is worse than disney trash even.
>posts Lucas
>calls his Clone Wars series that he officially declared as a part if his world and the same as the movies "not canon" and "EU"
lol, either a troll, or a cretin
Luke is meant to be the first of a new kind of Jedi. And no matter what Kathleen does, that will never change
Is he? Maybe the balance was just the destruction of the Sith everything else being irrelevant since the Force never bothered to put the stamp of virtue on anyone in particular.
>Stamp of virtue
The Force doesn’t work that way. Also, your clip indicates that Luke is the one who will correct a great imbalance
They are talking about Anakin (the Chosen One, the one who brings balance to the Force).
The Force works exactly that way since it has a will of its own and has indicated that the Sith are a cancer, it also used the Chosen One prophecy on its own.
To be fair the video is too short. Download the entire episode. The challenges Yoda go through are the kernels that were developed in the Yidsney series.. and fricking Lucas thought about those.
Decent bait actually. Surprised more people didn't bite.
For me Andor gave me
>actual looks into how the Empire operates, how people living and working under the Empire justify their actions and humanizing them instead of making all comically evil
>show how the average person lives under and deals with the Empire
>made me genuinely root for the rebels the first time and genuinely hate the Empire for the first time. Yeah the Empire was always evil the rebels were always the good guys but man I have never felt so triumphant about the rebels winning as with the Prisoners breaking out of Narkina 5
>showing development how the Empire slowly tightened its grasp on the Galaxy. Star Wars before was always "Order 66 - Boom - Empire" in Andor you actually saw and how understood how the average person had varying degrees of acceptance for the Empire or didn't even notice the Empire tightening its grip on them. It's best explained in the scene where the imperial explained how they slowly demoralized the Aldhani and how that is more effective than fighting them
>actually carried the message of rebellion so very well. The most amazing scene is obviously how they break out of Narkina 5 but what's most remarkable is how easy it was for the prisoners to break out once they banded together after escape seemed so impossible at first. Really sold the message "Alone we can't do anything, together we are unstoppable" pretty well. Simple message, but you rarely see it done so well
>speaking of simple messages that were executed well in Andor I also really liked how Andor portrayed how the Rebels aren't all sunshine and do their fair share of necessary crimes. Yes simply message, morals are grey and all, but Andor executes it so well. The morally Grey characters are still the morally correct characters despite murdering, deceiving, stealing and blackmailing and even taking kids hostage. I really liked that the good guys didn't shy away from using crass tactics
>"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"
breddy gud writeup
Well said.
It was brilliant that it started with the Corpo security first. It showed how the Empire grabbed more authority bit by bit. It showed how there can be so many degrees to authoritarianism. The Corpo guys had a genuine believe in loyalty and order, despite having some naively misplaced loyalty. But the Empire that replaced them was far more malicious and far more oppressive than the corporation would ever think to be. If the antagonists had just been sadist dickhead Imperials from episode one, the show would have meant a lot less.
> Andor portrayed how the Rebels aren't all sunshine and do their fair share of necessary crimes.
And we’re losing. They were doing necessary crimes and terrorism and evil stuff and they were *losing*. The Rebellion didn’t score a major victory until the Battle of Scarif, which is classic black-and-white, good verses evil. And that victory led to the Battle of Yavin.
I honestly thought that was the throughline of Rogue One. We see this darker, more morally compromised, more grim and gritty rebellion willing to do dark or evil things in the name of taking down the Empire and they’re LOSING. It isn’t until the start acting like big damn heroes and start doing the right things for the right reasons that they start winning, but once they do they go from the brink of destruction to the death of the Emperor in just 4 years.
Don’t get me wrong, I actually do love seeing all the dark and necessary things that are happening in Andor, I enjoyed the series…but in the sense that I like MacBeth or The Tempest. It’s a tragedy, showing the Rebellion gradually losing. They get their small victories here and there but the net effect over and over again as the Empire keeps tightening its grip and carrying on with no serious damage done.
Star Wars is a narrative universe with actual, tangible Good and Evil in it. The Rebellion is never going to beat the Empire by being willing to stoop to the same depths as it.
> The Rebellion is never going to beat the Empire by being willing to stoop to the same depths as it.
And yet the takeaway with finale was just that, especially with Luthen who realizes this very message during the rebellion on Ferrix.
The show, like Rogue One, goes out its way with its message that grey characters lay the backbone so morally white one can shine.
>and genuinely hate the Empire for the first time.
this. I always enjoyed the aesthetics of the empire and didn't really think about it beyond that because their portrayal was so cartoonish, but Andor genuinely made me hate the c**ts, stormtroopers, officers, whatever. It's also interesting to see how much more intelligent everyone in the ISB seemed compared to every other depiction of high ranking imperial officers across all the other star wars media I've seen. deedra is a legitimately good and hateable villain, even though at times I was almost rooting for her. I wish andor wasn't even set in the star wars universe but instead it's own independent sci fi world, I hate thinking about the prison sequence being in the same world as jar jar binks and baby yoda.
Slavery at Jabba's and Oola's fate was far more horrifying than that gay prison shit in blandor. A bunch of gays living in the equivalent of a Star Wars hotel having to do menial tasks. Wow, such a dystopia! You blandorgays are such soihomosexuals, it's hilarious.
>A bunch of gays living in the equivalent of a Star Wars hotel having to do menial tasks. Wow, such a dystopia!
found the wagecuck drone
deedra's gotta be his sister right?
>The problem with Andor is I didn't see what it was adding to the Star Wars franchise as a whole.
What the frick does Ahsoka add to the franchise? The only appeal is Ray Stevenson being a good actor (and making Baylan work despite Baylan barely having characterization) and fanservice in the form of flashing Hayden Christensen on screen as a force ghost every once in a while. Other than that, Ahsoka adds nothing. Its strongest aspect is that it isn't as trash as Kenobi.
Andor is spiritually trash, at least Ahsoka is fun, fantastical slop.
Ahsoka is very fun indeed.
hahaha
>You WILL add 50 new characters and vehicles so I can sell them as toys
>You WILL cram in as many established characters and vehicles so we can use them for advertising
>You WILL include the force and lightsabers
>You WILL edit then re-release the movie or show every 3 years with more CGI crap forced into every scene
>You WILL NOT watch the original trilogy in it's original form
Shut up, midwit. Your show is ugly and moronic.
lol, you almost pulled this off but botched the ending
This is bait but there are people that actually believe this, and that's part of the problem. Filoni can't resist writing, sometimes cramming, every episode or series with some callbacks or references to previous canon. Andor doesn't do that, and the people that expect that from every Star Was property had a meltdown.
it was good up until Luthen went off the rails
>no boba fett
Fat bros whats going on???
The person who made the poll probably just roped it in with Mando. It pretty much was Mando S2.5.
It's a spinoff of a spinoff about a literally who original character. Obviously it gets less votes in a popularity contest.
The mere fact that a series about a literal who character is standing up there with the supposed prestige projects of Disney Wars just goes to show how good Andor is in comparison to the obvious fanbait
Don't care, will forever enjoy Andor and ignore the Filonislop.
>There's fomenting out there, sir. Pockets of fomenting.
Loved this guy.
>formenting
>I'm formenting beer in my pockets
Frick the word is fermenting
I'm dumb
Is this Andor show really just about bongs being cucked?
Well you have to do it else why bother?
I've realized that I was already doing that as a kid with video games, those had writing way worse than these shows and I always found ways to enjoy myself and even the story by focusing on the relevant parts and characters.
Except it's not even that high.
imagine not liking /ourguy/
andor slop is just a hollywood slop dime store version of thx-1138 thoalbeit.
Kind of agree actually. It's much easier to write a show like Andor because all the tropes of authoritarian techno-dictatorships have been covered in the 70's and 80's and you just have to transplant them onto Star Wars.
It wasn't good at all, it was boring shit
imagine asking starwars shitters and opinion on anything
This spammer is beyond moronic. Notice how he's fixated on an imaginary boogeyman and replies "against it" to every person regardless of the topic.
I wish him the best, some awareness of his behavior could work.
Star Wars fans should be studied by science.
Absolute bottom of the gene pool.
I find them to be superior to the fans of 95% of genres and shows out there to be honest.
It's just that they're artificially divided and waste too much time flaming each other instead of engaging in the type of higher-level discussions they're all capable of.
>the type of higher-level discussions they're all capable of.
They're barely capable of coherent thought.
Yea the schizo hate posts that come and go sure aren't, you being case in point.
>average star wars audience doesn't like Andor
No surprise, morons like shit
Andor is not even a Star Wars show. It's a mediocre attempt at a political drama with elements from heist movies and prison escape. Its objectively garbage compared with any half-decent drama, but it looks much better because people were comparing it with Disney Wars and Rings of Power.
Andor is pure midwit slop.
It ought to have some redeemable scenes or elements I just didn't bother find those after the first few episodes. It was abominable empty dialogues slop.
Andor was good but I don't think you can make many stories like it. Andor works because the only thing it takes from Star Wars is the Empire itself (and that random woman from Return of the Jedi) so it doesn't feel like re-treading old ground too much. But it's okay because the Empire is huge and you can tell stories about it without having to bring out Tie Fighters and Stormtroopers and Darth Vader every ten seconds. The thing is, you can't do that with just anything in Star Wars. You can't have a TV show about Lando/Bespin for example because there just isn't enough to use without heavily leaning on other Star Wars shit. I think this is why the Lando series became a Lando movie (and I think it's still gonna suck). If I were Gilroy, the next series I would do after Andor would focus on the other big aspect of the OT, the "scum and villainy". Do a show about a bounty hunter, thief or smuggler and explore the gritty underworld. Again, barely involve anything else from Star Wars apart from the aesthetic. The Empire should seldom appear, Jabba/Tatooine should be mentioned at most and the series should rely on new characters, droids, aliens, planets and shady crime groups to draw the audience in. You'll get some of the same criticism that Andor got - that it isn't "Star Wars" enough but that's just the way with Star Wars media. Everything is either too unoriginal or doesn't feel like Star Wars.
>he only thing it takes from Star Wars is the Empire itself (and that random woman from Return of the Jedi)
And Saw Gerrera.
There was this one episode in Mandalorian where I actually thought they'd take inspiration from Andor and explore the more average characters of the galaxy and how the fall of the Empire affects them only for it to take the most moronic turn with a moronic brainwashing machine device and then go back to Mando saving some kid from a dinosaur creature or whatever. So in the end Filoni incompetence won again, but for a short moment I saw how Andor's quality could have been carried onto other shows. Its possible but the majority of Disney Writers are just too shit for it
Tomboy imperial spy was cooler than anyone from Blandor.
She was literally a worse and more moronic version of Dedra
She mogs the shit out of that crack ho.
thats a man
Filoni didn't write it. It was all written by Favreau and his assistant Noah Kloor.
I´m impressed. This is actually accurate. Favreau and Filoni actually managed to make something SW like so those are at the top. Andor is technically and artistically competent but it´s not SW like so that´s third. Kenobi is not SW like and it´s technically incompetent so it goes last.
>Andor senate scene
>no Mas Amedda, the official speaker of the senate in place of Palpatine who launches all the senate hearings
>no aliens, despite the PT establishing that the majority of the senate were aliens
>just moth mothma talking into the void
Disappointing.
>>just moth mothma talking into the void
yeah... that's part of the story idiot
>average Blandor enthusiast
literally me
>Andor is so heckin' based, sisters
They have four different nu-Star Wars shows? Wew.
Andor enthusiasts hate the Prequels because the Prequels are about exceptional individuals, which Andor enthusiasts despise.
I hate the Prequels because of Jar Jar Binks
Jar Jar is literally you and you hate them because he made fun of you.
Thats moronic. You're moronic.
Plebs think they are latinx Jason Bourne Blandor but in reality they are Jar Jar Binks. Food for thought.
I used to be a huge star wars fan as a kid. Nuwars turned me off completely...I didn't even like the force awakens. Anyway rogue one and andor were kino. Dropped mandalorian after season 2 and haven't made it through a season of anything else. Thats my 2 cents. You are welcome.
Optimal Star Wars experience.
Why does Andor trigger that one schizo so much?
it's either filoni or rodriguez
personally I think they are the same person
>I need normalgay opinions!! I can't think by myself!!!
Waste of space
YOU KNOW, ANDOR WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD????? YA I KNOW ALL THE RECENT STAR WARS MOVIES WERE SHIT, OBI WAN, AND 90% OF MANDALORIAN, AND BOOK OF BOBA FETT WERE ALL SHITSLOP BUT DUDE ANDOR, THIS ONE IS LIKE, DARK AND NOT SLOP AT ALL LIKE IF U JUST BARELY THINK OF IT AS A STAR WARS THING ITS LIKE NOT THAT BAD?????
Yeah.
100% of mandalorian
Frick off Filoni you cuck.
>Andor in one image
It's really amazing how Andor can make the brutalism and banality of the Empire also look intriguing and good
They've really outdone themselves with picking the locations
>this is what $250M gets you when you're a commie LARPer
Thanks, but no thanks.
250 million well speng
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>flashy lights
Aren't you the ones crying about lightsabers all the time? And lest we forget.
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Right.
I wish Disney put this much love and care into anything else regarding to Star Wars, but Andor really is the sole exception
>I wish Disney put this much love and care into anything else regarding to Star Wars, but Andor really is the sole exception
for me Star Wars (from the 80s) represented cutting edge, prestige and high quality. There is no reason for current day star wars to be anything other than the highest quality writing and directing.... I blame capitalism, George Lucas was right, in russia you can make real art. In amerikkka you are forced to make slop. The only reason we even have the OT is because George went outside the system and made his own.
>in russia you can make real art
hahahaha
AHAHAHHAHAHAAH
zigger, please
thats literally a quote from Lucas
How about you put a date on it.
>34t34t34t34t34t34t34t34t3(...).jpg
Are you having a stroke? Why do you name your files like this?
>Why do you name your files like this?
because i take so many screenshots, if I named them correctly the movie would be over.
mentally ill ESL dumbass
you didn't get the spaceballs reference, you are a zoomer
>this much love and care
No. Look, it's true that there's a lot of incompetency going on over at Disney and Andor being somewhat distanced from that production-wise is a plus but just on a concept level Andor is pure garbage and it's not really impressively well-made either if you consider its price tag.
That's something professionals would disagree with deeply.
imagine seeing awards for any of the other star wars shows... you cant
Star Wars used to be a prestige movie. The OT won all kinds of awards for its groundbreaking cinematography. It's something Nu Wars fans don't understand. They don't respect the art of making movies.
ANH won Oscars for VFX and editing. ESB won one only for VFX. That's it. ROTJ won nothing. The PT won nothing but golden raspberries. The only award that George would win since ESB would be two Emmies for TCW.
>The PT won nothing but golden raspberries. The only award that George would win since ESB would be two Emmies for TCW.
thats because of the deep state
>Deep State forced Lucas to put Jar Jar Binks fart and poop jokes in Phantom Menace
Whoops wanted to post this one
literally stolen from Star Wars: Tie Fighter.
Actual kino.
The one bit of Star Wars autism I have because I played Rogue Squadron is this: that's a bomber. Its primary purpose is bombing shit on the ground. It's not a fighter, let alone an interceptor. SO WHY LE HECKIN SCIENCE IS IT RAPING ALL THOS X-WINGS??
it's b***h raping time
Almost any The Clone Wars episode has something like that.
But Clone Wars is dragged down by Filoni's shitty and campy writing
Filoni didn't write a single clone wars episode in its original run, dumbass.
lol
It's literally true.
Episode 8 was the weakest of the season.
>AK-47 blasters
who the FRICK thought this was a good idea?
Star Wars uses real guns as props all the time
Never something that obvious
It depends on your existing knowledge. If a person knows one iota about guns, the Stormies carry Lewis Guns and German MGs with just the magazine removed. That's it. The Stormtrooper blasters are visibly Sterlings with some shit attached. But I guess if you didn't grow up watching WWII movies or were a Euro, they wouldn't stand out. For some people that obvious use of weapons in sci fi is part of what makes it cool, similar to the uniforms of the Empire and the X-Wing pilots evoking real world imagery, or Vader and even now Ahsoka with their Samurai shit.
It just depends. The mauser Han's blaster was based on was a famous gun before it became a pop culture icon with a scope and a funnel screwed onto it.
Similarly, the AK and AR variants in modern SW have had more done to them than those machine guns in the OT had. The image of the guy with the AK everyone posts also shows that it's had the dust cover and back end replaced with bits of a receiver from a German MP, for example.
It's an empty complaint for some, but I can see how I RECOGNISE THING can be bad in context, or good in context. I think arming the Rebels with American weapons when they are a military and Commie weapons when they are an insurgency, and the Empire with German and British weapons is kind of neat, personally.
So you agree it's less obvious.
It depends on the context of the person's complaint. If it's just "I don't like thing, an AK stands out too much to me", I respect that even though I happen to like the imagery. It's not subtle, so objection to that is fine to me, it's personal taste.
But if it's "That's not a gun design in keeping with Star Wars", that's a complaint from a position of misinformation. The original film has guns with less work done to them to make them sci-fi and they became iconic.
The MGs in the OT just had their mags removed. The AK has a different top rear quarter and some greebly shit on the mag. The AR pattern Rebel blasters in R1 have greebly stocks and scopes and the barrels are sometimes custom.
The Stormtrooper gun is a Sterling with a short mag and a scope on top. Han's blaster has a scope and a barrel device screwed on.
I get all that. But they at least changed enough about those weapons and costumes to make them at least appear different even if you subconsciously noticed the WW2 imagery.
>Similarly, the AK and AR variants in modern SW have had more done to them than those machine guns in the OT had.
That's just untrue.
I'm not attached to it either way. I understand the complaint in this specific case, but it's such a minor detail given how elaborate the rest of the show's production design is that it feels like disingenuous shitposting to fixate on it.
Its what the audience for andor wanted. They just wanted a grounded political thriller in outer space. It doesn't fit star wars at all. It doesn't even fit the OT which it's defenders constantly claim. The OT with goofy aliens and gay droids and teddy bear monsters and t rex goblins in a slug monsters basement and guys with battle axes walking around next to dudes with space guns. You could just swap "Empire" with "Alliance" and you could market Andor as a show set in the Firefly universe more than Star Wars.
>It doesn't fit star wars at all.
That's stretching it. Grounded, politics-adjacent thrillers in the seedy star wars underbelly have been a staple of non-movie star wars content for years. How many Dark Horse Comic series were there back in the day that were nothing more than "star wars (but grimdark and written by a frank miller wannabe)". The Dark Forces game series was edgy mercenary power fantasy and it was super popular amongst star wars fans. Look at the popularity of boba fett and any media related to him chronicling his le badass adventures.
But you are touching on why the old EU-style of star wars worked for such a long time and why all of the nuwars media has become increasingly repulsive to large segments of their audience. Creators used to be able to make stuff that wasn't traditionally considered star wars, and if people didn't like it (or didn't think it was star wars-ey enough), then they could just ignore it and never had to have it cross their mind again. The different levels of canon bullshittery were just an easy way for autistic fans to rationalize things without sperging out. Did a comic book writer makes luke act like his deviantart OC? who cares, no one will ever bring it up again outside of the comic book series. People could pick and choose what they liked and star wars as a franchise was better off for it.
With nuwars everything is a headline STAR WARS product that comes with the accompanying shilling. What's worse is that nuwars loves obnoxiously shoving references to every single one of their other STAR WARS products in your face. If you hate Andor and think it's the farthest thing from star wars that exists, then you're going to be constantly reminded of its existence whenever disney decides to shit out its yearly nuwars offering.
>anyway I hate the darth vader action slop and I will never forgive gilroy for that shit
That scene was embarrassing. You can safely ignore the opinion of anyone who praises it.
I think the truth is Star Wars doesn't have much in it and if you want to make worthwhile stories with it, you either have to depart from the source material as much as you can or bend it a little bit to make something that isn't strictly "Star Wars". Otherwise you're doomed to make an entire galaxy that is just the OT copypasted over and over again. For example the Empire in the OT are never meant to be anything more than ruthless bastards. The human officers, their motivations, their morality, none of that was part of the OT. The Empire was iconic in part because it was completely infallible, completely evil. That's who they are.
But obviously Andor introduces rival Imperials who compete and bicker with each other, it introduces characters like Syril who are morally nuanced, it even shows ISB members who are double agents acting as spies, who fear for the lives of their families. That's not the same Empire we know but it makes a really engaging story
>It doesn't fit star wars at all.
so star wars has no politics?
or rebels using whatever scrap they can find to fight the empire?
star wars never tried to be grounded?
hold on i think what's missing for you is this image, right?
No whats missing is literally everything in ANH. You know the aliens the goofy music the silly robots the big space battles yes the lightsabers the force the princesses and desert shaman the evil guy in all black choking people with his mind the humor the charm the goofiness the actual spirit of a movie for kids which is what star wars should be but yes also heroes, people you are inspired by when you're 10 because they're good guys and not when you're 30 looking to self insert as a heckin resistin antifa member with your ak47
>star wars is a new hope
>everything star wars should just be ANH over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
This. Andor isn't Star Wars. And people putting it in the same sentence with the OT as if they fit together in any way are utterly moronic, delusional, dishonest, or everything combined.
Andor isn't anything Star Wars. It's not A New Hope. It's not ESB. It's not ROTJ. It's not the prequels. It is generic sci-fi drama in space london. And its fans are the single most obnoxious Black folk on the planet, who just won't frick off to watch Expanse instead of coming to the monastery with their own rules.
why is this suddenly a problem?
not enough useless greebles for you?
Only an autist looks at that and thinks "ah yes, Mauser C96". Even so, Star Wars has a heavy WW2 influence so the aesthetic works. Why is it suddenly a problem? Because no one ever put a fricking AK47 in Star Wars before.
>Because no one ever put a fricking AK47 in Star Wars before.
again, you are just complaining it doesnt have enough useless greebles.
Lol and what you're suggesting is if it were -literally- just an ak47 that fired lead bullets youd love it.
>ONLY LASER GUNS CAN EXIST IN STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i fricking hope it shoots bullets.
probably more lethal honestly
we see people get shot with blasters or even stabbed right through with lightsabers and live all the time.
why are bullets bad?
these are rebels who are supposed to have fricking nothing, literal scraps.
the empire would be searching for blasters and that kind of tech, not super old outdated ballistic firearms.
all the blasters are based on real guns
so is this one
i cannot see how anyone can actually see this as some egregious flaw in the show.
yeh its an ak... ok?
really if it had a fricking light bar on the side and a fat cone on the barrel NO ONE would care.
look at those old blaster designs.
you dont think rebels ever modified their guns?
if you took a "real star wars" blaster and took off the scope and the heat shield cone, it would look 99% like a real gun, would you be complaining that its a real gun? you can't imagine rebels modifying their weapons?
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>i fricking hope it shoots bullets.
>probably more lethal honestly
You have no idea what science fantasy is, do you? Your particular brand of autism is more suited to The Expanse or something similar.
you this Black person too?
>You have no idea what science fantasy is
yeh its when space magic and lightsabers right?
you are totally right anon, us andor fans HATE science fantasy. there is none of that in the show at all
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andor is kino because its star wars, but its also george lucas, it's his political beliefs and its THX1138. Gilroy did his homework.
No I'm not the same guy and no that is not what science fantasy is. You will probably never get it. With the amount you were sperging about realism I'm surprised you're okay with that scene of Luthen and his spinning lasers, or maybe you just haven't thought about it.
>us Andor fans
I like Andor. It's a great show. I'm just not blindly defending its flaws like other NPC fans.
Andor makes the sci-fi tech so much cooler than anything else in the series in decades too. Like If you like the blasters in star wars you should love Andor because the they feel so much more powerful and dangerous than almost anywhere else in the franchise
Well thats only because there are actual stakes in andor, no magic Jedi bullshit.
>no magic Jedi bullshit.
and we know that pretty much everyone in it dies at some point so most main and side characters dont really have plot armour in the same way jedi do.
You're unironically fine with them chucking something that is obviously a 20th century weapon into a sci-fi setting. No wonder Disney doesn't bother trying.
>You're unironically fine with them chucking something that is obviously a 20th century weapon into a sci-fi setting.
yes i am, and so are you.
That isn't obvious to me, because I am neither a boomer nor a gun autist. The old WW2 weapons at least had the excuse that the Empire was strongly influenced by Nazis and so the whole thing had a WW2 theme. Everyone and their mother associates the AK47 with Russians or the Taliban. If they absolutely have to use that weapon as the base, they could have at least switched up the design a bit so it isn't so painfully obvious.
>they could have at least switched up the design a bit so it isn't so painfully obvious.
so i am right, you would be ok if they added a bunch of useless greebles.
just like every other star wars blaster.
The world is already full of guns with a wide variety of designs. You don't have to add LEDs or pointless scopes if it triggers you so much. Just make it not so obvious. You keep reverting to muh greebles because you've got nothing else to argue with.
>Just make it not so obvious
oh?
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One looks like shit, the other one doesn't. Blandor one is a bad design. Are you dense or sth?
>One looks like shit, the other one doesn't.
i think it looks perfectly fine and fits better with the rebel aesthetic
honestly my problem with the gun is that its too clean, i think it would look better if he was literally holding this gun.
You're so low IQ, it's actually painful. The point is one thing looks good and the other looks like shit.
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>brutalism of the empire
the buildings were there before the empire
Trash garbage.
>How many guards on each level?
>Never more than 12
The line is actually great if you know the context. You shouldn't let some IRL politics bullshit influence how you see a TV show.
Most people are too low IQ for it, including you.
>t. 105 IQ individual
That's still 15 points higher than you
>admits it
Uh oh. I think we just got exposed, Blandor sisters.
Not the same Anon but how would you be able to tell sub 100 IQ Anon.
You don't need to be incredibly intelligent to get Andor, but you're showing that sub 90 is not enough
im shocked that normie slop is more popular than elite kino... just shocked.
>was never good
>is getting a second season
Cope
Andor is a great show. And I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Andor is a great show but it's barely Star Wars. Ahsoka is explicitly Star Wars but barely watchable.
Exactly why its good, star wars is best when it isnt about star wars.
>it isnt about star wars
Then why even make it in the Star Wars universe? If it deviates from the source material so much, why not just make a new IP?
Because studios don't take chances on new ideas
Has always been such a shitty argument. 99% of ANH had no force and no lightsabers and it's still THE Star Wars experience. Andor is much closer to ANH than Filoni trash could ever be
ANH is nothing like Andor except for the superficial similarities and both things having the Empire.
andor exists in the kino realist aesthetic of the empire strikes back.
>realist aesthetic of the empire strikes back
Dude... you midwits NEED to log off.
>Emmy Awards
Bruh.
Sour grapes?
The average critic is a physically repulsive midwit these days.
Sour Grapes.
You denying the average critic is a physically repulsive midwit these days?
I'm saying these are grapes and other Star Wars shows and their fans might find them sour
>Miguel Fernandez
We're talking about ANH.
>Andor is much closer to ANH
lol
lmao even
How disingenuous can one person be?
Lesson of the thread: If you have an IQ around 105 don't call other people dumb.
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its so shameful that the prequel normies are eating this up and its all rated like 9.0 on IMDB
Its zoomers who grew up with Filoni shit so love his OC.
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the creator of andor, tony gilroy, admitted he was never fan of star wars
that's why star wars don't like andor. because it's not really a star wars show. and they are right.
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>George Lucas loves Rogue One
>Hayden loves Rogue One
>NOOO YOU SE FILONI SLOP IS THE REAL STAR WARS
I'm just saying what Gilroy said
also Gilroy said he had nothing to do with Rogue One
It was all Edwards
gilroy did some reshoots and reworked 3rd act or something
prolly rewrote some
anyway I hate the darth vader action slop and I will never forgive gilroy for that shit
though I imagine it was studio pressure
I love gilroy but I'd be interested to see edward's full movie
It was 100% studio pressure, they have to shove Darth Vader into fricking everything
>GILROY SAID!
lol
lmao even
roflmao
Gareth, too
Wow!
>dumb and dumber 2: dumb and dumber and dumbest
Okay, let's ignore midwit Andor slop for a second and talk about Trapper Wolf here. What the frick is going on with Feloni's wife?
Shes a fat frick what else is there to know?
that's all the shitters working at mouse have:
>lucas gave me secret lore information that contradicts his stuff (no source or quote, just secret conversation)
>lucas called me, loved my shitty garbage that contradicts his stuff (no source or quote, just secret conversation)
>lucas said something that contradicts our other bullshit (no source or quote, just secret conversation)
It's all so tiresome.
>Ahsoka better than Mandalorian
Star Wars fans confirmed for sub-90 IQ morons
It's new. It's like dangling new keys above a baby. Let them vote again in a year or two and people will have forgotten Ahsoka even existed
True fact.
ah! the french!
always in the good spots!
Andor was the first star wars thing I've watched since the prequels. Didn't watch anything else as I used to read a lot of the EU and already have my own "canon" about what happens after ROTJ and shit.
Only person in Andor I knew was Mon Mothma, and there's little told of her pre BBY in canon anyway.
It was a good show. Yes, it was grimdark and gritty in comparison. But it takes place at the moment where there is the least hope, and there's no jedi or force involved at all. I enjoyed it.
I hope they eventually make another new show/movie that can work with the SW canon.
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you like things for children anon. that's fine, I won't begrudge you for that. but coming and acting like it's high art that holds up to genuine scrutiny makes you seem like a little kid wandering around trying convince the adults to play with you and your action figures.
Anybody who thinks Mando is the best hasn't watched Season 3. Or most of season 2
Anybody who seriously rates Ahsoka is 1) a waifugay 2) a mouse shill or 3) David Filoni (which also implies 1) and 2))
The Kenobi rank is sus too, 5% is surely too high.
Ahsoka>Mandalorian>Boomer Fat>Cucknobi>Blandor
Hi Dave. You know what to do next, in minecraft.
Something involving villagers?
>IS
>IS THAT
>IS THAT A LITERAL WHO TWITTER ACCOUNT
>WITH A moron POLL
>WITH A LOW SAMPLE SIZE
>OMGGGG I GOTTA MAKE A THREAD ON 4CHINS
honestly, how do you not have a nice day
I find it funny how ahsoka is extremely divisive in the fact that its filoni fans vs everyone else
andor comes into this when quality is mentioned
this discourse wasnt as bad as when mando S3 was airing, but now that a filoni project is under the spotlight, his fanboys start getting mad when his show is shown (and proven) to be shit
I don't know why people put themselves through this abuse. I got halfway though TFA and wrote off Disney forever. How you got multiple movies AND series in and are still tolerating this garbage is beyond me. It's not Star Wars.
I consider Ahsoka to be a legit 2/10 and I have to agree it's vastly superior to Obi Kenobi. Like, it's flabbergasting to think just how awful that show was in hindsight. Literally mind boggling. As for blandor, I can't speak on that dogshit since I dropped it after 2 eps.
Andor also leans heavily on that retro-futuristic look from the 60-70s, I don't think it gets enough credit for that
Well everything that happens on Ferrix does. But it has to. That's one of the few things actually connecting it to Star Wars.
>That's one of the few things actually connecting it to Star Wars.
you havent watched the show.
wrong
God I wish I could just delete all of Star Wars at this point. Maybe then there would be some threads about shit that isn’t fricking Star Wars.
>andor fans
>using xhitter
>10k votes
Gacha characters announced on twitter get millions of likes. 99% of SW fandom left. Barely anyone still cares about this trash.
Andor is by far the best written thing Disney did recently.
The problem is MC is a literal nobody from a side movie nobody remembers and we also know he dies.
Really the problem is that Diego Luna is a charisma vacuum. The show is heavily carried by Luthen, Dedra, Kino and at the beginning, Syril.
It's sad you just can't have comfy Andor threads because one autist shits up every thread and Cinemaphile users are too moronic to just not reply to him. Oh well
>ONE WAY OUT
One way out to reddit, sister. r/Andor awaits!
I fully believe he'll show up in some future SW filoni-slop, say there was some emergency ships or something that he hijacked, remove all the poignant ambiguity from the scene and really make me happy.
if anyone from andor shows up in feloni slop it wont be kinography. mon mothma was in Assoka and she felt like a fake version of herself saying badly written lines.
A poll run by people who enjoy Filoni's slop has results that show that the people that enjoy Filoni's slop prefer slop over an actually competently written and produced show. What a shocker. have a nice day.
I love how this manchild makes the midwits seethe.
Wolf wolf
>There's people who hate Andor now
You gays don't deserve it. Keep waddling in the slop Disney shoves your way.
if they want to make star wars semi-serious then they need to do a legal drama following an ISB Agent just doing his job whilst also having to fight internal bureaucracy which is constantly making his job of hunting rebel criminals and spice traders difficult