"Kick the dog" exists as a trope to show villains being hateble when you can't really depict women getting sexually assaulted. Because killing innocents is passe' even back then. So what else can one do show villainy without it being lame or "too far".
Having a villain be a cruel slaver works.
>So what else can one do show villainy without it being lame or "too far".
Being a womanizer
People like Hol Horse though.
make them a successful white man
This. Can't have that without exploitation of others
Obsessed
>OY VEY STOP NOTICING THINGS
have a nice day
Hey, it worked for the Looney Tunes.
Nah you got the definition wrong. It can totally entail rape too, it's just any action that shows the villain as gratuitously cruel to remove any doubt that they're not....gratuitously cruel. A villain focused on a goal might have the benefit of the doubt that they're not evil outside this particular goal, if you show that evil extends beyond necessary evil then they can be written off as a son of a b***h. Raping a chick falls under that too, it's just most people won't do it because rape is regarded as specially unpleasant so the tone of the work may not recover.
I don't know about that but I hate when you have the protagonist doing something bad to another person so you first have that person act out if character doing something even more evil because you don't want the audience to dislike the protagonist like it's super cheap and generally part of a love triangle or something like that
Like have the balls to actually write a complex character even knowing that a part of the audience is not going to like it
>That episode of the Simpsons where Bart accidentally got Krabapple fired by spiking her coffee
>New teacher is an enthusiastic nice guy
>Bart wanting Krabapple back is about to spike his coffee too
>Krabappel convinces him it's not worth it
>New Guy secretly stole his scotch and got shitfaced to shittalk all the kids despite the whole episode
Shit's so cheap.
>why isn't there more rape in this children's cartoon?
I would say Teen Titans, but that was consensual
No, stupid. Obviously you can't show rape in children's cartoons. But kicking the dog may get old like killing/hurting innocents do, so I'm wondering if there are other ways to show evil in fiction.
Making a family homeless or burning their house down is pretty effective, I'd sag
Yeah there's tons of ways.
Not putting your shopping trolley back and just leaving in the carpark is pretty evil.
cheating on income taxes.
There's plenty of ways. One of my favorites is having the villain kill or harm one of his own or harm someone we as the audience knows is bad but they don't or at least their badness doesn't factor into why they harm them.
But yeah you're really weird for zeroing in on sexual assault as a method of conveying badness in media.
Only as an example of what you can't really use these days without having an angry mob come after you.
Simply show your villain making and breaking promises or deals at all times because doing so is beneficial. e.g.
>guard (witness) is in the villain's clutches but has something the villain needs and can't just take physically
>villain promises to release guard in exchange for necessary macguffin
>guard agrees and grants villain's request
>villain kills them anyway
In general, showing absolute callousness, coldness, contempt, pragmatism, total lack of emotional connection or empathy for others, etc. can all be very good for emphasizing that a villain is not to be trusted or is in general a really, genuinely bad person.
>killing humans GOOD
>killing dogs BAD BAD BAAAAD!!!
I never got this. I'd much rather watch a dog be murdered than a human.
>but dogs are so innocent!
Dogs have less of a capacity to process suffering than humans. Obviously killing either is completely fricked but if I had to choose I'd pick a dog killer over a human killer any day.
Nah. Humans fricking suck. A dog will at least make it obvious they don't like you and show intent that they will hurt you. A human will stab you, gut you, and milk you for all you're worth while wearing the most convincing smile on their face.
NTA but this reads as misanthropic. Human beings have the capacity for deceit but like it or not they are our fellows. Our strongest bonds can be forged with them just as many of our true and worst enemies come from among them. You may not like humans, but you will always be human until the day you die. Until that day comes, is it really worth it not to try your best to find men truly worthy of your respect?
>NTA but this reads as misanthropic.
Because it is you tremendous homosexual.
I know you think this is incredibly profound and observant, but you'll think differently once you graduate high school.
>Autismo doesn't get nuance and context
>Takes it out on imaginary people
You clown
>I never got this
Maybe you live in a nice village where everyone knows each other and loose dogs potentially have rabies, but meet enough people and you will. The point is, a dog is an animal, and we judge it to have limited agency over its own actions. A dog isn't capable of understanding morality, and thus failing morality. Humans are. Which means that a human being can theoretically deserve to be killed, while a dog fundamentally can not.
This sounds like shitbull owner logic.
What makes (You) worth saving over a dog?
Why would I advocate for my life so selfishly? It's up to you to decide who and what is worth saving. You are a human being and responsible for your own actions and judgements of men. If I die and you save a dog, then that's simply too bad for me: you were simply that type of man who would not save his fellow man. I asked you for nothing to begin with, and my fate will be whatever it is.
For my part, I would try to save you if you were in trouble and I were able, because so far as I am concerned that is the right thing to do. I have the sort of man I want to be and think is best in my mind, and I will try to be a little closer to that. I lived in a big city where people could be harsh and hostile and stupid, and I still wanted and want to be kind to my fellow men. Living in a city, I hope, did not lead to me being selfish or cruel, but to me learning to discern who I should actually use my kindness on, for I met many people both good and bad. Maybe I am selfish or cruel, but I think it would be better on my part not to be.
on the other hand sounds like someone who, regardless of where they came from, lived a terrible life which scarred them forever. I pity such a man, but I won't blame him for being who he is.
You sound like a Redditor.
Wouldn't they be calling me gay cause they're all nihilists or something?
nah it just means that it is silly to try and argue about morality with an animal. killing it becomes a necessity at that point.
It's not about deserved or undeserved. I'd rather see an innocent dog die than an innocent human, because I can empathize with the human more.
I have far more empathy for dogs than I do for any human. They're the ones who have to put up with us.
Reminder that there was a trigger warning site for people who hated seeing dogs dying or getting hurt
>trope
frick off
whats wrong with kick the dog moments?
it just sounds like good writing
villains being petty or mean for no reason establishes the kind of person they are
you cant even say its unrealistic, because people can be quite mean or petty for no reason in real life
Nothing inherently wrong with it, but I'm thinking of futureproofing ideas in case one day in becomes verboten like depictions of sexual assault to women in order to make villains look evil.
>So what else can one do show villainy without it being lame or "too far".
Simply show the villain doing what he or she is supposed to do. The villain's a bank robber, so just show the villain robbing a bank.
Also
>"Kick the dog" exists as a trope to show villains being hateble
Trying to elicit emotions out of the audience or trying to make the audience feel a certain way is kinda lame. This is why I don't like the phrase "love to hate."
>Trying to elicit emotions out of the audience or trying to make the audience feel a certain way is kinda lame.
>you cant have sad music playing over a sad scene
alright, everyone go home
musical scores are bad now
Be a good writer and depict them in a negative way, taking selfish opportunities, exploiting others. Rape, animal cruelty and depending on culture racism, are simply shortcuts.
Make it personal. Betrayals, unlikability. Shit if all you can think of is having the character physically/sexually abuse people then that's lazy
Make them do taxes
You can show him talking about something you cant depict. Maybe mocking a victim after violence. Or the victim giving a speech while he smiles nochalantly
Some "kick the dog" and "save the cat" scenes are ridiculous. Deadpool working as a mercenary for a stalked womanwas cringe. It was just a permit for him to kill people the whole. movie
don't kick the dog
cute
Zoomers are such pussies.