>kicked out of the towers
>forced to work the crustiest cooniest spot in baltimore
>turns record profits in said spot
>tries his best to stop sixteen year old from getting burnt by sociopath bosses and uncle
>ends up taking 20 years as part of that for said coons
>gets cucked by principal coon
>gets lynched in prison, again by principal coon who was already cucking him
>nobody cares when they find out about it
is there anyone at all that gets it worse in this series? holy fricking shit
Always felt bad for Randy
yeah true but I just can't believe that Avon never really ends up sliding on Stringer at all, granted Stringer is the only reason his organisation manages to survive past the second season, but was just doing a rewatch and it really hit me how D'Angelo's own mother AND Avon don't give a frick about McNulty basically dropping that Stringer got him merked, even his baby mother doesn't give a shit she'd rather just continue cucking him from beyond the grave, brutal.
Avon did give a frick, that's why he gave the call to Omar and Brother Mouzone to kill Stringer
Nope, he did that to save himself from Mouzone and to keep his relationship with New York - he was hoping they'd start selling to him again
No. Wrong. Had it just been a question of barksdale/bell against new york, avon would’ve fought to the end or found other ways. He even said there were other ways to have deal with d’Angelo.
The point is both avon and stringer betrayed each other because they thought it was in their best interests, and it ended up worse for both. Ya know, prisoner’s dilemma.
What a lot of people don't realize is that Wee-Bey is the Queen piece, and that Stringer is a pawn.
He really do be like a pawn n sheeit
>Hol up D, why do White Knights tryna save the Black Queen if they playin fo the other team?
Well they’re all a bunch of sociopath criminals, even D’s own mother. I think prop Joe at one point mentions that Avons father was a legitimately evil man.
I think it’s a mistake to assume Avon would actually care about D on a human level anyway, he was only looking out for him because of his principle surrounding family.
I remember that when Stringer was talking to the fricking hitman that did it and even he said "Baltimore homies are wild", Stringer is beyond even his morality, I always found that so insane.
>Stringer is beyond even his morality, I always found that so insane.
One of the most moral characters in the show is unironically Omar.
He had a code and lived by it. Someone like Stringer only cared about money/legitimacy and was willing to make any sacrifice for that.
Omar was always exemplary, Barksdale's group could have saved themselves so much time and money if they'd unironically just let him Robin Hood stash houses like he always had, Omar could've stayed a legend and they would be down maybe twenty odd grand out of millions.
He made them look like b***hes clearly you don't understand gangsters and the game
and some of that could have been avoided if Stringer didn't try to play Omar against Brother.
He made the crews who got robbed look like b***hes. Because they were. He was essentially a freelance efficiency consultant and stringer tried to ruin (take) his life instead of learn from him.
You're missing the point. In the criminal world your standing and reputation are your most valuable assets. If people know they can rob you qith no consequences then you are perceived as weak and that's when your enemies start making g moves against you. There was no way they could let Omar's actions go unanswered because that would have make Barksdale's organization look weak
I didn’t miss your point, I refuted it.
You only think you did. You don't seem to understand how black gangs work. Any action towards one member is seen as an insult against the entire gang. Chicago gangs will kill over any perceived disrespect towards any one member for example. It wasn't the dealers being pu jed, it was the entire gang being punked and that couldn't stand
I’m talking about the show, how omar would’ve worked into stringer’s “better than the street” mentality if stringer actually was. How “looking like b***hes” is irrelevant if other gangs can’t deal on their territory. How the entire situation is essentially throwing bodies at the problem of drug dealing being illegal.
You’re pretending to be an authority on black gangs from some third world country.
That wasn't other gangs, Omar wasn't a gang, he was a third party and you should know in the third season that not every gang was in the new day co op, just many of the larger and more influential ones. The Co Op's lack of an edge is precisely why Marlo was able to b***h slap them with his penchant for violence. Monk was right then entire time and Stringer was wrong. Why this took you so long to figure out I don't know why
That's the point of the series and Stringer's character. Just like Dee, he wanted to play the game different. Wanted to skip steps and go legit ASAP. But Avon kept to the code of the street. He knew who he was (a gangster) and embraced it. Stringer didn't. That's why Clay played him so easily. Played too many away games and became a man without a country.
In the end the street won and the game goes on. Avon had to call the hit on Stringer because that's the street code. When someone "trifles with your reputation" it's time to go. It's all based on respect. If fellow gangsters and criminals don't respect you, you're done. Look at how Marlo ruled with an iron fist and had the streets cowering in fear. Everyone respected him until they didn't.
I believe the exact phrasing was that Baltimore homies are “off the hook” but yeah.
It's butchie the barkeep. He says "Avon pure evil same as his father" as I recall
even if avon was evil, i still feel like he is a product as well of the modern times mixed with the old. constantly throughout the show, you're told by people both in the game and now out of it that things have only gotten worse and no longer have a code of ethics in anything. marlo himself being the main example of such a thing
>t. Eastside b***hes
Black folk, it's the game
D’Angelo really is the best character in the show.
=(
we wuz pawnz
Is their a high definition 4:3 release of this show?
I am re-watching it now but ended up using the DVD release because of the aspect ratio.
Nope.
I wish we saw more of Vinson and the old "now we short the 9"
That’s the thing about dangelo he was a homie that knew his place and accepted it was very loyal to the end and a intelligent guy problem was he was surrounded by dumb Black folk
>was very loyal to the end
He was about to give up everyone at one point till his mother talked him out of it.
Eventually in prison he found his place and ready but by then it was too late and Stringer had him killed.
He still didn’t and he had every right to they fricked him good and used him especially towards the end as little more then a bag man fetching their shit
When he got popped in Jersey he told the detectives that he was raised in the game, how his whole family was in the game and that's what they do. He wanted to live and breathe like regular folk. Said he wanted what Wallace wanted (be a normie kid).
I've always thought of how the writers flipped the cliches and made them work. Here's Dee, born and raised in the game by a street famous legendary hood family, running towers, literally getting away with murder, and being groomed by the boss to take over one day.
But Dee never wanted that. A kid like Bodie or Michael would kill to be in that situation and would have played it to his full advantage.
Dee wanted to be regular and the regular kids want to be Dee
OK... we're up on Anon, AKA "Anonymous". He's been keeping his Wire shitposting close to the nose but with this thread... they're back in the open again.
Doin' the dirt.
I stopped watching The Wire because I cant tell the Black folk apart
You're harder to get at than my wife's fat c**t
Stringer’s reaction is so funny
d'angelo knew how to play chess
him and Cutty are two of the only exemplary individuals in the entire cast, they're less coon than even the deputy.
He also knew that MONEY BE GREEN
record profits in said spot
>misses surveillance vans of police and Omar
>misses Omar robbery that leads to events toppling his crew
>trying to hide snitches
He got it coming to.
Rawls is one of the best characters. I'm currently rewatching the show and the prelude to carcetti's run for mayor (season 3) is so boring, when his actual run for mayor (In season 4) is so damn good, anyone else feel the same ?
Season 3 Episode 5 is my current position in the series so not too far off from where you are and yes Rawls is fantastic.
Although it infuriates me how he only cares about his clearances the actor plays the character well.
>when his actual run for mayor (In season 4) is so damn good
All because of Norman Wilson
Season 3 Carcetti is essential to his arc.
yeah s3 carcetti is boring
i noticed there's a lot of scenes where they cut away to carcetti to mention he can't win because running as a white man in a majority black city. seriously they bring it up cosntantly, i wonder if they were concerned the mostly liberal audience wouldn't pick up on that kind of thing going both ways
Kinda funny for them to say when white candidates have won in majority black neighborhoods for decades. It was clearly just done as a drama point
The funny thing is they are not even talking about general elections but the primary. The democrats win every general election in the city.
Well yeah it was about the primary election because other democrats candidates were running and Carcettis black friend was the frontrunner
You’ve confused “white” with “republican.”
I stopped watching a couple episodes in season 2 when a woman said a bunch of prostitutes should've gotten an union.
It’s was corny as frick but inoffensive. They were discussing the fact that’s there’s hundreds of thousands of prostitutes imported to and working in the US, while dealing with a potential union busting case.
yeah true, in the context it makes sense
but why put such a corny line in in the first place
and everybody is gay or lesbian, it's like a woke show made 20 years ago
gays and dykes have always existed anon
this show unlike much of the uninspired garbage produced today is more than the sum of its parts.
it's really only Kima and Omar and their mode of frick is nonessential to their character, you could have just as easily have had Brandon be a woman and it would've had a similar effect, that's good writing, not woke writing, they wrote a character that just so happened to be a gayollo.
Rawls is one too
It works for omar because it establishes why very few people would want to admit to associating with him.
>it's like a woke show made 20 years ago
You're like a moron born 20 years ago
If the female cop was straight she would have been way more corny. It made perfect sense that she was a lesbian. Admit you'd be complaining about her being a strong woman meme if she was straight.
They're a bunch of cops and criminals. If you haven't realized yet female cops are mostly lesbians and gangs are full of homosexual criminals, you aren't familiar enough with these things.
>female cops are mostly lesbians
Lmao. You know nothing, just stop. Female cops are not much different than military women, sucking every dick they come across
libtardisms like that are acceptable because the characters would probably really be that libtarded
No, they wouldn't know what a union is and wouldn't comprehend it if you explained it to them. This goes for all the criminal characters in the show, the whole series is a laughable attempt to make it seem like "streetsmarts" is an actual thing.
I worked with these type of underclass people for years in california and most of my friends did as well. They aren't that smart or machiavellian, they sell drugs to buy drugs until they get OD or get killed over something moronic. Avon, stringer, Omar, D, etc. wouldn't be anywhere near as organized or as kniving as they are in the show, if there was a beef like that going on one of them would have shot the other by the end of the week.
There's also this implication that "hood codewords" are an actual thing. They aren't. I've seen cases where gunfights happened because two dealers mistranslated their linguo and thought they were being insulted. The level of moronation these people exhibit is so mind blowing that you could never make a show out of it. The Wire is as accurate a representation of the projects/drug game as Commando is to navy seals.
Don't Dutch prostitutes have unions?
Steintorf was the real MVP of the wire.
one of those characters you don’t appreciate nearly enough on a first watch
>my office
>NOW
Robert, what brings you here?
>Who cares what I posted online, lieutenant. It's only a word.
UGLY ASS FROG homie GOT WHAT HE DESERVE
>t. Bodie
Is there some sort of contest between actors to portray law enforcement as the crudest buttholes possible? like in the departed movie too
> wow what a bunch o LADS you guys sure are on the job!
Most of the cops on the show are actually pretty decent. It's not like The Shield where they're literally killing and dealing drugs.
>is there anyone at all that gets it worse in this series?
Wallace did nothing wrong.
he was out and at his grandmothers and instead of staying out he want back
he fricked up and deserved what he got. he was too soft for the game and too stupid to stay away
>too stupid to stay away
Remember when bodie went to Philly and was shocked to see other radio stations ?
It's a sad reality that the majority of those street level goons will probably be born, live and die on a street corner, he seemed almost flabbergasted that the world continued out of state, sad.
Yeah they're not stupid per se just lost. you can't expect corners kids to adapt themselves to what "smart" and "stupid" is according to common society
When Wallace put that kid's math problem in terms of packs and he instantly got it, but didn't understand the problem at all in a different context sums up this issue pretty much.
Well part of the problem there was that the kid understood well that if they fricked up the count with drugs their ass was gonna get beat
Still have to know the math, the punishment comes from not knowing how to keep the count
thats all a homie understands. when u gonna get a whippin from massa and when u not. white people did this.
No they're definitely stupid. You'll know that if you regularly have to deal with them. Don't let a dramatic TV show dictate reality to you.
>I know and you don't
Meds
Yes. Having dealt with these people all my life, I don't believe you have.
Are they in the room with you right now?
Anon, jerking off to the sound of your sister getting railed by a different black guy every weekend doesn't really count as real world experience of urban America
>too stupid to stay away
If this show was realistic all the characters would die by random sucker punches and drive bys. The average lifespan for these kids is about 6 months. And they always die in the dumbest ways possible. Post pic of you and your hoe going to popeyes, get capped. These people are too dumb to be intelligent gangsters with hearts of gold. Stringer bell's don't exist in these communities
This. The fact that most of the gang were adults was in itself a Hollywood decision because these kids are running corners and getting killed in their early to mid teens. By the time they hit 18, if they live that long, they're in senior positions and no longer on the corner.
He one mistake was getting on that bus back to Baltimore, he knew full well he'd just cooperated with the police, that being said he was a legitimate small child and easily one of the saddest deaths in the series.
He tried his best for his people
If he'd somehow found a way to reign in Ziggy he would've lived too, I honestly never really got what the frick Zig's problem was in the first place, he was like a BPD girl or something the way he'd constantly insist on fricking up even when not fricking up was the easier option.
You're probably mocking him because he makes you think about yourself. Constantly mocked and emasculated
Nah Pryzbylewski is literally me I'm afraid.
Inadequacy. They mention offhand Ziggy actually has a brother who left Baltimore and went to college or something, Frank's wife/Ziggy's mom was a a lush who was either too drunk or too doped up on pills to pay attention to him and Frank was always off with the union.
It’s a shame Ziggy’s actor isn’t in more stuff. The only other role he had was in Generation Kill
he had a bit-part in treme and i saw him in the movie black phone recently too
neither were significant roles though
his problem was his idiot son and nephew
if they could have kept their noses out of the drug and street level bullshit he would have been able to continue to disappear containers.
i suppose its appropriate that his failure as a father contributed to his downfall.
>Doesn't exist in BET version
>BET
Black Evil Television has done more to widen the racial divide in America than Jim Crow.
I wish. If BET lead to segregation I'd gladly donate
I started skipping the non-thug homie scenes on my third rewatch. I don't care about the cops interpersonal drama, I just want to watch hood rats do hood rat shit.
Bubbles trying to grind up a few dollars? PASS. Wallace getting capped for being a snitch ass homosexual? KINO
The Bubbles scenes are kino. Especially seasons three when he first encounters hamsterdam for the first time and its like he descended into hell.
You are right about the family drama though. That shit gets old fast.
This, Bubbles' constant fight to stay clean or hustle for smack money is some of the best the show has to offer.
Sobotka is joe and Ziggy is hunter
Stopped watching after D'Angelo died, didn't really care much for anyone else in the show.
>principal
to be fair without Stringer, Avon was most certainly going to be out of pocket, even though String himself was essentially just another goon playing as a business man.
Stringer was not able to reign in Avon, not even a little bit.
He tried, but got cucked at every turn.
Stringer was the COO, Avon the CEO.
Stringer dealt with the day-to-day issues: tried to keep a lid on the violence, made a deal to get a better price for the drug, but he failed when trying to make CEO decisions.
When trying to expand the empire outside of the drug trade he got suckered by everyone he bumped into because his arrogance convinced him that nobody was smarter than him.
theyre all Black folk, so i dont care
stringer was a rat who got what was coming
Stringer's death was satisfying
He got what he deserved because he never wanted to be in the game, had a chance to get out and start over, and didn't cuz muh mom and muh uncle
>forced to work the crustiest cooniest spot in baltimore
wasn't the pit like almost right next to the towers?
The geographic proximity of the pit and the towers was pretty close.. right? They were on the same housing projects?
Anyway. I figure the towers had their own clientele (housed people), whereas the pit was mostly homeless vagabonds like Bubbles.
The pit was the communal area between the towers, ostensibly it should be lawns and swingsets. I think it's seen as a downgrade not only because of what you mentioned but also proximity to police surveillance and exposure to elements.
I assume the street folks were sacrificial pawns to the police. Whereas the towers were safer and held more weight.
you want to know what we do here? we rip and run here.
name one thing levy did wrong
>name one thing levy did wrong
impossible, he did nothing wrong.
He made bank off the dealers.
He let Omar make him look like a b***h in court
Kept a drug kingpin's personal cell phone number on his desk.
>not realizing that was intentional
They had him dead to rights over the grand jury bribe. Only got away because mcnutty was a moron
Why do you ask such blatantly provocational questions?
Ordered murder of the state's witness, security woman from tower (off record of course). This is death row actually.
Actually it's implied Stringer ordered those. Avon was just a simply street homie
Nah. Levi specifically says
>who left who can hurt you?
>they remember: security woman
>Levi: the less I hear about the better
Morally and legally he ordered murder of the state's witnes. Yeah yeah I know "yababa, yababa he was not found guilty in the court of the law, and it would be extremely difficult to do so". But morally he ordered murder. Thats wrong, and goes beyond "I just smug lawyer doing my job".
left his israelite dinner to get d'angelo out of lockup
Yvonne made Brisket
D should have gotten a free ride to university on his uncles money and been a clean front for the barksdales. Too bad his mom forced him into being a drug dealer since school.
>this a nice Wire thread you got going here, you're rightful hustlers
>but here's the thing, now that the thread's built up, Imma need it
frick off, pool's closed
I’m rewatching the show again, and I never realized how McNutty has everyone by the ass because he really is the smartest guy in the room but he’s such an ass.
Jimmy is frequently cited as one of the best detectives in the department but he's a dick that also couldn't play politics which is what fricked his career
He’s cited as having “smartest frick in the room” syndrome due to the amount of time he spent around literal morons.
McNulty is an addict as much as Bubbles. His drug is the case work and he is always looking for the next high and trying to fill the hole in his heart.
I was listening to a Wire podcast recently and some woman was saying how much of an idiot McNulty is and he doesn’t know what he’s doing and it just reminded me how fricking stupid women are.
McNulty did make mistakes which is why he bounced ideas off Lester who was more experienced. She wasn't entirely wrong
I never realized how incredibly simple Season 1 was. No wonder S2 is the filter.
Here's those kids I was telling you about
Yeah the poor bastard deserved better. I will give props to the writers, they really kick off the show making you think D is the protagonist on the criminal side but he finishes the first season in prison. Then when you think he's gonna make a triumphant return by the end of season 2, they pull the rug out from under you again and he just gets iced. Good way of showing that nobody is untouchable in this game.
Reminder the Wire received only 2 Emmy noms (for writing) and ZERO Golden Globe nominations.
>mfw the analysis hits
>Ayo... Bubs... I ain't even being checked right now
>y-yeah, you know, I don't feel too checked neither
>we been firing SINGLES man
>FRICK
Bubs is probably my favorite character of all. Man had straight up toonforce tier powers with some of the hijinks he got away with.
Knowing the hat trick thing came from an actual drug addict informant is so comfy for some reason
I was thinking of the roof bit where he fished the dope out. Straight up Loony Toons bit.
Ayo Dub Tops... got them Dub Tops here...
MASS CHECKED DIGITS, GOT THEM CHECKABLES... GET THEM CHECKABLES....
2 FOR 2 AND 1 FOR 1, GOT THEM REPEATS.
>wasn't they dubs last week
Yeah now they repeats. Because they WILL repeatedly get your ass checked.
GOT THEM SHITPOSTS RIGHT CHEAH
the opening scene of this show is so implausibly stupid i cant let it go and cant take it seriously
What some dude talking about calling someone snot boogie? Try living near black people that was probably a 1:1 copy from a real life story.
The story appears in homicide (the book) I think
There's a famous Black person literally called Pooh Shiesty. That's the cream of the crop, street levels hoods are probably named Cumsock or some shit.
brehs
Don't be a pussy
Me on the right
Him grabbing her breasts wasnt even in the script, the actor just couldnt help himself seeing those perfect breasts.
holy shit she's perfect
Donette do be fine tho
At least principal coon dies like a fricking b***h after getting hustled by a man much smarter than him.
>is there anyone at all that gets it worse in this series?
You gonna look out for me, Sgt, Carver?