>put a gun to someones head >they get scared
wow you really proved your point. inb4 some tough guy posturing, if you even breathed near me id snap your back in half
>life only has meaning if there is a magic man who will judge me at the end of my life and give me a "reward" (the denial that I'm going to die forever one day)
>life only has meaning if there is a magic man who will judge me at the end of my life and give me a "reward" (the denial that I'm going to die forever one day)
>life only has meaning if there is a magic man who will judge me at the end of my life and give me a "reward" (the denial that I'm going to die forever one day)
>life only has meaning if there is a magic man who will judge me at the end of my life and give me a "reward" (the denial that I'm going to die forever one day)
the same evil you're already imagining. Keep in mind that god being dead means I think god is dead for you too. You just live by a fiction in your head. Your definition of evil is made up too, you just don't believe that it is, but to me it is. We both agree that murder, rape, etc. is evil I hope?
You can not call murder or rape bad because you have no fixed reference point to objectively say they are evil.
Fear of death is an instinct built by a billion years of evolution. Every living creature is a slave to biological imperative.
So is spirituality.
Reminder that At least the nihilists have the integrity to admit that morality is totally arbitrary. They view morality as a pragmatic set of rules (like a social contract) that help people build a civil society, so that we're not murdering one another like savage animals in the state of nature.
The problem with "morality comes from God" is that the will of God is unknowable (or non-existent). Anyone claiming to speak on behalf of God is merely speaking their own private, personal prejudice. "God says homosexuality is wrong" means "I, the speaker, hold the personal opinion that homosexuality is wrong."
Since there are no limits on what prejudices a person may hold, there is essentially no act that cannot be justified as the will of God -- up to and including torture, rape, and murder.
Religionist morality has the same "anything goes" problem as nihilism. The difference is that actual nihilists are willing to compromise and reason with one another in their struggle to coexist peacefully; but you cannot reason with a True Believer.
A True Believer who is convinced their God wants you dead believes it's wrong NOT to murder you. And there is nothing you can say to persuade them otherwise, short of killing them first.
That makes religious morality far more dangerous and terrifying than nihilism.
>the will of God isn unknowable
If only he had a book or something
Also God existing is enough to justify right or wrong because it offers a paradigm in which absolutes exist >you don’t know those absolutes
Then it’s a quest to find out through moral philosophy, whereas if they don’t exist at all the quest to ethics is doomed entirely.
I want to die so fricking badly. I dream of getting a fatal disease or someone drifting into my lane on the way to work.
But for some reason I can't put the gun to my own head. Lack of will, guilt, fear, hope, I don't know what it is. But something keeps me from bringing my own end. And a lot of my life is spent wondering what.
The drive of self-preservation doesn't require an abstract understanding of the concept of one's nonexistence. Of course they'll want to avoid danger, but they're not losing sleep over their mortality
I don't understand your point. The top of that line of replies merely states that fear of immediate death is an almost unbreakable instinct built into all living things. So breaking down and freaking out when there's a gun in your face is a natural reaction no matter what one's philosophy.
>enslaved to the biological imperative
People kill themselves all the time. They suffer a lot in the name of abstract concepts and ideals. Lots of things that buck the idea that humans are just slaves to the germ line, or that it's only the result of the pattern-seeking brain. Hell, you wouldn't care so much about arguing that humans are bound to the biological imperative if that line of thinking wasn't inherently wrong.
It's my biological instinct to reply to this post with death to all trannies and to yell Black person. If this is the case can you truly say I've done anything wrong?
the same evil you're already imagining. Keep in mind that god being dead means I think god is dead for you too. You just live by a fiction in your head. Your definition of evil is made up too, you just don't believe that it is, but to me it is. We both agree that murder, rape, etc. is evil I hope?
>someone made them up
so why do we still follow them? did you ever stop to think about that for a second? maybe God isnt real smartypants and hes just a construct thought up by humans. boo hoo get used to it.
I think it's a matter of awareness rather than "right and wrong" in the moral sense. If you really understand the full consequences of your actions, you know that wilfully causing harm to another also causes harm to yourself. You don't need morality to tell you not to harm your own organism, only a modicum of awareness and intelligence
>nihilism thread >everything devolves into jilted skeptics coming out of the woodwork to tradlarp and cry about communism
Its hilarious that these flesh OBSESSED hedonists pretend to be some kind of church dad when all of them are going to hell when they die.
>6 million sects of Christianity who all think the other is going to hell >can't even agree on the meaning of Christ's sermons >will outright ignore biblical laws arguing that the omniscient creator of existence changed his mind for some reason >will ramble on philosophical copes for why certain sins are excusable for [reason] >most religious people live materialistic, hedon lifestyles, only not committing the son's that have direct legal consequences in real life
DUDE GOD IS THE FOUNDATION OF MORALITY
>you are this you are this you are this
when you have a made up template that everyone who doesn’t think like you has to fit in order for you to feel justified seething at them it’s called a strawman. i guarantee i’ve been on this website longer than you fricking have. can you tell me what word would get you perma banned in 2006? no you cant. keep making your little predictions and mental copes because you can’t handle anything that isn’t a little homosexual hugbox that constantly validates how you want to see the world. i’m glad people gang up on homosexuals like you every thread and make them cry, because this place is not for people who never want their points of view challenged like you. it’s hilarious how you ironically accuse me of being a schizo skydaddy freak while sounding like every fricking redditor in existence every single post you make.
Most likely low iq which is a good thing you are just dumb enough to simply accept things the way they are without torment. Most people are in the unfortunate situation of being just smart enough to realize and understand that their lives are shit, but too stupid to fix it and find meaning.
You can’t have morals without divine authority.
Think about it, if there’s no divine judgement, who’s to say we all shouldn’t steal, lie, and kill our way to the top?
nope, made up by man. We can agree to disagree here. But I just want you to understand that from my perspective, you're following up made up morality the same way I am. I do not see any difference between us in that respect.
The case for Christ is pretty clear, both logically and historically. You are just running away from the responsibility to be a proper person by pretending there's no knowing what's objectively right and wrong.
The case for Christ is >book said this, it is true because book says book is true
No one is running away from a promise of absolute and unquestioning salvation for just saying Jesus is your bro. They’re calling you a fool for thinking morality needs a skydaddy to exist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>skydaddy
That's not how you spell Trinity.
I don't pretend that. Why are you making up stuff? Christian morality is made up too. You feel comfortable practicing it despite it being made up. Just understand that I too practice made up morality. I don't swear. I don't commit violence. I donate blood regularly. I volunteer at a food bank. Etc.
Yeah, yeah. Everything's made up and nothing matters. And when your earthly life has ended and you finally kneel before him, you will surely proclaim you couldn't know any better, prideful to the end.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, yeah. Everything's made up and nothing matters. And when your earthly life has ended and you finally kneel before him, you will surely proclaim you couldn't know any better, prideful to the end.
But I literally do not know. I WANT to be religious. I want to believe in God. It's just not a choice. Can you actively will yourself to believe in Zeus? The Christian God is nonsensical. He changes personality from one book to another. The lore of the Bible is worse than modern Star Wars. I can't just decide to believe in it. It just doesn't make any sense. I always bait superstitions, curses, ghosts, hexes, etc. and nothing EVER happens. Anytime anyone says "doing x bad luck" or some variant, I instantly go and do it to see if something happens, and nothing does. I want to see personal proof of the supernatural even if it's awful to me, because that's how much I want to believe. And still, nothing has happened. If your god exists he absolutely refuses to send me a sign so that I can save myself despite me conducting my life morally. I live my life with morality knowing that there is no ultimate reward for any of it, and that no one will ever care.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Catholic Answers (https://www.catholic.com/) is also a good address if you have specific questions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This guy is another good address.
2 years ago
Anonymous
ignore the amermutt sending you links and just read confessions by augustine and either or by kierkegaard. if by the end of that you aren’t interested in religion then it’s not for you. brothers karamazov is also a good illustration of what it’s about. it’s an active way of life you have to live that engenders a belief, like anything in life no profound change is going to come to you while you don’t actively go out and live and learn shit for yourself
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not American and I second Confessions. The it's not for you part is false though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You sound like a midwit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>catholic
Ahahaha you worship the Borgias
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't mind if I do
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hey, I’d worship Jeremy irons too. Sadly his show went so soft on them it wasn’t even funny. They didn’t even have the celebratory orgy when his king of kings thing worked!
I don't pretend that. Why are you making up stuff? Christian morality is made up too. You feel comfortable practicing it despite it being made up. Just understand that I too practice made up morality. I don't swear. I don't commit violence. I donate blood regularly. I volunteer at a food bank. Etc.
My moral definitions are self defined. I personally view any action that causes or is done with the intent of causing harm onto another being as immoral. To elaborate, I don't view things like drug use or masterbation as immoral because any potential harm can only be done onto yourself. Though things such as lying or cheating are still immoral even if they're not consciously aware of it because you are still abusing their trust and would be indirectly harming them. I feel like this is the most objective view on morality one can have but I think most people are too stupid to reach that conclusion on their own, which is why a lot of non religious people are degenerates who use Twitter likes as a basis for morality and bring down the rest of society
There's no inherent value in being "at the top". The quality of your life experience isn't based on how much you've accumulated or how many you've subjugated. Striving to reach the top at the expense of others is very primitive and immature. It's not "wrong", but it ultimately doesn't get you what you really want. You don't need an authority to dictate morality when cause and effect exist. Doing harm to others is doing harm to yourself, but it takes a mature person to realize this
>who’s to say we all shouldn’t steal, lie, and kill our way to the top?
Because if everyone lived that way, no one would ever stay at the top long enough for it to matter, and the people who made it would be the best and brightest of us, and their only reward would just to be killed and their families killed, and anyone smart would realize this and never go for “the top,” and find out another way to manipulate whatever system.
And this is exactly the reason religion was created, so savages like you wouldn't turn into feral Black folk and loot, rape and murder nonstop until you're put out of your misery.
You shouldn't do those things because their wrong and cause harm not because a israelite wizard told you not to. Are you saying that without the fear of judgment you'd resort to theft and murder?
Reminder that At least the nihilists have the integrity to admit that morality is totally arbitrary. They view morality as a pragmatic set of rules (like a social contract) that help people build a civil society, so that we're not murdering one another like savage animals in the state of nature.
The problem with "morality comes from God" is that the will of God is unknowable (or non-existent). Anyone claiming to speak on behalf of God is merely speaking their own private, personal prejudice. "God says homosexuality is wrong" means "I, the speaker, hold the personal opinion that homosexuality is wrong."
Since there are no limits on what prejudices a person may hold, there is essentially no act that cannot be justified as the will of God -- up to and including torture, rape, and murder.
Religionist morality has the same "anything goes" problem as nihilism. The difference is that actual nihilists are willing to compromise and reason with one another in their struggle to coexist peacefully; but you cannot reason with a True Believer.
A True Believer who is convinced their God wants you dead believes it's wrong NOT to murder you. And there is nothing you can say to persuade them otherwise, short of killing them first.
That makes religious morality far more dangerous and terrifying than nihilism.
>yes my entire belief system is based on complete nonsense I can change on a whim to justify anything I want to do that I cannot coherently defend but will judge everyone else based on anyway, but yours is a code of rules set in stone you must alter your life to adhere to... so uh... you are dangerous
lmfao
Oh, so I take it you still go to Latin Mass. Also I take it you don't eat at all on Sunday, have never worked on Sunday, and still diligently practice Passover, and consider yourself, a follower of Christ, a devout israelite. Or is the cutoff point for you more medieval than that? And before you say 'Vatican II was a travesty and not legitimate', cool, so how does that play with the church being the absolute infallible bride of christ? What's the 'correct' interpretation that you all agree on, since you're so certain it exists.
>same anything goes problem
Explain why things people restrained themselves from before like homosexualry and troony shit suddenly become acceptable with atheism then.
that’s what’s scary about it. we are nowhere near peak atheism and already we have anal sex being taught in muttoid schools. it’s gonna be one hell of a ride down the sinkhole
>That makes religious morality far more dangerous and terrifying than nihilism.
I didn't read anything you said, but this sentence alone proves it wasn't worth reading anyway.
seems like cityslicker cope. when I travelled europe the religious people in towns were the nicest you could meet and often let me stay in their houses and cooked me food for a night despite the fact I was a stranger. in any built up urban space (atheists) they wouldn’t even spit on you and you’re on your own.
The idea that nihilism is somehow less terrifying than religious belief is fundamentally stupid. And yet you actually believe it. I think the problem is that you're defining your funko-pop quasi-spiritual atheism as actual nihilism.
>The idea that nihilism is somehow less terrifying than religious belief is fundamentally stupid. And yet you actually believe it.
Damn if anon from Cinemaphile says it, it must be true, no argument needed rite ? This is how religious people argue >you just WROOOONG OKAY ? BECAUSE YOU ARE OKAY ?
you're quoting the wrong person btw moron
The idea that nihilism is somehow less terrifying than religious belief is fundamentally stupid. And yet you actually believe it. I think the problem is that you're defining your funko-pop quasi-spiritual atheism as actual nihilism.
>same anything goes problem
Explain why things people restrained themselves from before like homosexualry and troony shit suddenly become acceptable with atheism then.
*atheists murder more people in one century in the soviet union and china than religious people do in all of recorded history*
whoops
I accept your concession.
>yes my entire belief system is based on complete nonsense I can change on a whim to justify anything I want to do that I cannot coherently defend but will judge everyone else based on anyway, but yours is a code of rules set in stone you must alter your life to adhere to... so uh... you are dangerous
lmfao
>moronic reading comprehension level
Tell me you have a sub-90 IQ without telling me you have a sub-90 IQ.
Also kek at >defending a bunch of nonsense.
The Bible is a bunch of nonsense. But it's popular so I guess it's okay.
Your post is literally just an opinion piece, there’s no hard evidence to rebuke >religious people are like this and think like this
Evidence? The only reality I see is mao and stalin genociding hundreds of millions of people while being atheist, but apparently religion is deadlier.
State atheists have a far higher body count than any religion though. The soviet union (you HAD to be atheist to be in the politburo) executed 100 million people, many of them religious and they justified it with atheism. This fact refutes the bullshit you spew about religion being dangerous. Human beings are dangerous, atheism makes them more dangerous
Lmfao, so you are a dumbass who doesn’t read. Thirty years war is the deadliest religious conflict in western history. Killed 8-9 million. The crusades all together barely clock in at 1 million. I’ll be extremely generous and give you the taiping rebellion in china (entirely a secular power grab but it’s the only way to make this remotely interesting)- 30 million. That’s by far the three biggest religious conflicts in history and the rest are under 1 million death counts. So that’s like 41 million people. State atheist russia executed 100 million in less than a century. Then we have maoist china, also state atheist. 60 million. I’m not even counting shit like the genocides of religious people in romania and other commie satellite states.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>forgetting about how the Spanish Inquisition killed up to 5000 people in the 300 years it was active
ngmi
2 years ago
Anonymous
>State atheist russia executed 100 million in less than a century
lmao. at least make up some plausible numbers
2 years ago
Anonymous
bro even pozzed commie media admits it
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810
2 years ago
Anonymous
very convenient that you rely on WSJ opinion pieces only when they fit your narrative, that same guy made a dozen climate change rants and you dont give a shit about them
2 years ago
Anonymous
moving goal posts won't save you from hell
2 years ago
Anonymous
>executing people is the same thing as letting them suffer economic mismanagement, poverty and lack of medical access and harsh police enforcement,
so the US also killed millions of its own people then?
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's at least a 100 million deaths just for Islam, what the frick are you talking about, is God and religion just christianity ? Religious people have also killed eachother and keep doing it. Doesn't change the fact that Religion won't be needed the more the world is educated.
Again : If god asks to kill your kid, you'll do it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>100 million deaths for islam
source?
also if an atheist wants to kill a kid, they just do it. or they use “ethics” to justify it. how many religious people kill children because god tells them to every year?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Source
Academic estimates around 900 000–1.2 billion people have died as the result of Islam and it’s continuous war of religious expansion since the 7th century to the current day across three continents.
In The Indian Sub-Continent alone, Islamic raids, invasions & conquest account for the majority of these deaths committed against innocent Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs and Parsees. There's like 75 or 80 million hindus killed during the Muslim invasion. We can also count the deaths of slave caused by the Arab Slave trade. >Rest of the post
The religious will think it's wrong NOT to kill the kid. If God tells me to kill my son I'll say No. That's what good morals are.
With time, the sub-100 IQ will cease to exist and religion won't be needed anymore
2 years ago
Anonymous
>doesn’t post a source
You are actually fricking moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
"anon, in the name of God, you must help us explode a nuclear reactor in order to strike a mighty blow against the heretics flooding into our lands. no need to worry about collateral damage, good Christian folks such as ourselves are already guaranteed a place in Heaven."
It’s literally true though. If you are a materialist your moral beliefs are utter nonsense cope by your own admission. You cannot coherently defend why your system is better than anyone else’s, yet you will still judge them. Anything an atheist wants to do will simply become moral because they can talk themselves into it- hence the modern west. What you say doesnt line up with reality.
Yet the West was once christian, especially Europe, why did it shift into atheism ? Because we need religion less and less.
What are my nonsense moral beliefs by the way ? You sound omniscient dear anon
Your post is literally just an opinion piece, there’s no hard evidence to rebuke >religious people are like this and think like this
Evidence? The only reality I see is mao and stalin genociding hundreds of millions of people while being atheist, but apparently religion is deadlier.
Yes, they do. If God tells you to kill your kid, what will you say ? And don't bullshit around with "LE FICTIONAL CHALLENGE". Abraham almost did it and abrahamists love that story.
The very fact that the will of God isn't explicit, and must be determined through thought, trial, and error, puts it on the the same footing as your "arbitrary pragmatic set of rules."
Here's the difference: The rules that religion has found were discovered through millennia. Entire cultures have risen and fallen as part of the discovery process from which Godly moral traditions have emerged.
Or you can choose nihilism, and pick a set of rules based on what some pot smoking college college students guess would probably work just fine.
You fail to realize that objectivity is essential to healthy morality. You don't have to posit the existence of God to find that objectivity if you don't want to. But you need objective truth and objective morality, or else you expose yourself to a relativistic hellhole where any societal poison is permitted as long as people just agree to go along with it.
If the social contract is arbitrary, then surely any change to it is valid, right? So if people come up with a new "pragmatic set of rules" where people murder each other like savage animals, who is to say it's any worse than your attempt to coexist peacefully? In what sense could your willingness to compromise with such people be considered superior to a more absolutist religious approach that actually takes steps to preserve the morality that we've discovered?
any change to the social contract is only valid as long as enough people agree to the new terms, they are enforced and negotiated with every interaction, changes dont come overnight, they drift on a generational scale. your hyperbole example falls flat on its face because people are hardwired to cooperate with eachother and dont like being beaten and killed.
Dear Midwit,
The fact that people are hardwired to prefer certain ways and thrive under certain conditions is an argument in favor of natural, non-arbitrary moral absolutism.
Sincerely, Anon
What the frick have muslims discovered ? Evolved ? Look at muslim countriez, trash bags walking, in some of them slavery was abolished only 50 years ago, marrying kids is not permitted only because the west got involved and said "human rights homie ?" Kek. Religion has evolved and discovered thanks to atheism
Why is killing people "bad"? They are going to die anyway. Isn't killing them an act of emancipation?
Same for peaceful coexistence, why peacefully coexist and survive forever? Why do it? Just because you are a slave to your unchosen birth and the unchosen predispositions that follow? Why make more babies to make them do it? Wouldn't it be better if they were all emancipated?
Mostly because there’s no way to kill them all and the ones you do kill will have loved ones who will seek vengeance, likely on random people, if murder isn’t prohibited/investigated.
Then to go all kant, if everyone murdered everyone, there’d be no one.
That would mean that killing is not a smart idea, not that its immoral. That means that if someone could kill another person and get away with it then its completely moral. Being a troony isn't smart because it leads to suicide, does that make being a troony immoral too?
I'm not religious, I was just stating that haven't explained why murder is immoral.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You’re using Immoral as it is capitalized. Morality, in a secular sense, is just what’s most logical/rational/reasonable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So morality is your mind has nothing do with right and wrong, only whats intelligent and unintelligent? I wouldn't leave a child near you, for all I know if you raped it and thought you could get away with it you wouldn't think you've done anything immoral
2 years ago
Anonymous
Right and wrong as determined by what’s best for everyone.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And who determines whats best for everyone? Influencers on Twitter? Your view of morality seems extremely arbitrary, it's strange that your type is so obsessed with forcing it onto other people
2 years ago
Anonymous
>logic/rationality
2 years ago
Anonymous
More vagueness, you're only proving my point
2 years ago
Anonymous
What point? What is arbitrary about the idea this is the only life you get, and therefore “morality” should be determined by the pursuit of making it the least abjectly horrible as possible?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>“morality” should be determined by the pursuit of making it the least abjectly horrible as possible
This is a more strict definition of what I was asking for, even though it has nothing to do with what a non specified group of people have subjectively agreed upon like you were just implying. And it still has enough vagueness to it where both you and I could have disagree on fundamental issues even if we both agreed on what you've said. But I'll take it I suppose
2 years ago
Anonymous
>non-specified group created logic, rationality
Black person fricking what?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You said here
Right and wrong as determined by what’s best for everyone.
that morality was defined by what "everyone" has collectively agreed on. That has nothing to do with what is and isn't rational
2 years ago
Anonymous
FOR everyone is not the same thing as BY everyone.
Is english your first language?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I misinterpreted your statement then. I assume you determine on your own what's for the best of everyone?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I see you can’t really comprehend reality not governed by a single omnipotent authority, or something pretending to be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is that a yes or a no?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s neither. Trick question that I hope you realize is a trick question, and are just trolling.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reads more like indecision to me
2 years ago
Anonymous
You’re just proving
I see you can’t really comprehend reality not governed by a single omnipotent authority, or something pretending to be.
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Trying to codify reality into such simple black and white terms means, and like
And this is exactly the reason religion was created, so savages like you wouldn't turn into feral Black folk and loot, rape and murder nonstop until you're put out of your misery.
was saying, need the omnipresent threat of eternal torment to not just steal, murder, and rape until you die.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Having an objective definition for something doesn't require the belief in god. You just said that morality was defined by what is rationally best for society. I would expect what is rational to be objective. As it stands it sounds like you believe that what is right or wrong is simply whatever you want it to mean in the moment
2 years ago
Anonymous
Having objective definitions of EVERYTHING requires skydaddy. Or worse. Pope, who will make just as arbitrary decisions as you’re claiming secular (this bad) leaders will make.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Having objective definitions of EVERYTHING requires skydaddy
I sincerely hope you're trolling me at this point. Do you think the entire field of science is just people playing pretend?
2 years ago
Anonymous
There is order and free will
or disorder and no free will
This is basic paradox work from thousands of years ago.
So call it god, call it allah, call it forces of universe like hawking, but something or somethings exist maintaining order but giving us free will.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>order and no free will or disorder and free will
I think this is what you meant? The order of an omniscient entity means free will is impossible.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No.
This is basic paradox work from thousands of years ago.
"the curve"
did you even graduate highschool.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Disorder and free will isn't a contradiction though. Order and free will is. Not seeing the paradox. But I wasn’t a moron so that’s probably why I never heard anyone try to say that’s a “paradox.”
2 years ago
Anonymous
.......listen if you are just going to be a smart ass frick off.
it's the Lucretius Curve. Just frick.The universe curved from the start for no reason what so ever. All things physical and metaphysical have angular momentum.
I feel stupid even explaing shit you should have learned in 8 to 10th grade.
So you need order to have free will. It's a paradox but true. It's called "paradox work". Basic highschool shit. It's why pi just keeps repeating.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh, determinism. Yea that’s a mind-trap for midwits. Awareness automatically contradicts any limitations on free will. God being real, omniscient, means free will can’t exist. They literally inverted that to teach you wrong, on purpose
2 years ago
Anonymous
no. it means the opposite.
jesus fricking christ.
it literally means the opposite
there must be order for free will to exist and there must be free will for order to exist.
You have to be trolling me now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Or science is about collecting data and coming to the best possible conclusion from that data. And “best possible” is what most accurately reflects that data and whatever new data comes to light.
Now feel free to make some crack about whatever bullshit popsci “political” issue is in the media, to expose you as an absolute joke.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Or science is about collecting data and coming to the best possible conclusion from that data
And the collection of that data is done so we can reach and understanding that comes the closest to objective reality. Nothing you said in this post discredits what I've said. What are you trying to say here? That science exists to say what we subjectively want it to say?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you stupid? You keep manufacturing strawman arguments.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Respond to my point or don't respond to it at all
2 years ago
Anonymous
>respond to my strawman or don’t respond
Yea, you’re just stupid. We need religion to keep morons like you from ruining it for everyone else.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>And the collection of that data is done so we can reach and understanding that comes the closest to objective reality
Can you explain how this is a strawman? If you disagree with this statement I can only assume you believe the latter is the case.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That’s right, pretend that’s all you posted.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I acknowledged the second half of my post, which wasn't even the main point of my argument, when I said >If you disagree with this statement I can only assume you believe the latter is the case.
If this thread wasn't already at its limit I would accuse you of baiting me into bumping the thread at this point
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you’re trolling me by disengaging with my nonsense
Thing is, you’re religious, therefore from you “objective reality” is a loaded term.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've explicitly said that I'm not religious, only that I believe that objective reality exists, which objectively speaking it does. You've been dodging the argument this entire thread, I want to believe you're a troll but I know your kind disingenuously argue like this all the time. You can't accept the concept that could ever be wrong even when obvious flaws are presented to you. You're a lot more like the religious zealots you hate then you'd think.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don’t believe in skydaddy morality, I just spent this entire thread acting like I did
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession
2 years ago
Anonymous
Of what? What did I concede? What point did you ever argue at any point?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you ready to discuss my points again? I thought you were busy posting >no u lmao
Feel free to respond to these at any point
>Or science is about collecting data and coming to the best possible conclusion from that data
And the collection of that data is done so we can reach and understanding that comes the closest to objective reality. Nothing you said in this post discredits what I've said. What are you trying to say here? That science exists to say what we subjectively want it to say?
Having an objective definition for something doesn't require the belief in god. You just said that morality was defined by what is rationally best for society. I would expect what is rational to be objective. As it stands it sounds like you believe that what is right or wrong is simply whatever you want it to mean in the moment
2 years ago
Anonymous
Listen, I don’t know how you mistook me for a christgay, but you just wasted an entire thread on a faulty assumption.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I never made that assumption. Are you just desperate to be the last person to respond? Your posts are loaded with nothing, I may as well be speaking to a bot
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bruh, if you’re not a christgay, and I’m not a christgay, then we agree that it’s possible to derive “objective morality” from secular means.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah. this is me
Who flicks the button on the electric chairs?
Do people have free will or not?
What else has free will after that?
Either everything has some level of free will or nothing does.
So be a nihilist lol which is completely moronic or realize.. well everything is alive at some level. Go nuts. It's not complex.
But the fact some elderly schizo was about to kill his kid on rock because he heard voices until the last second managed to create the whole monotheistic faith is pretty telling.
I really think trolls always have existed and humanity is finally getting better because we've gotten so good at killing them off or wiping out their gene lines. Hence incels, ww1 and 2, suicides and now covid.
100 years from now most of these "trolls" will not pass on their genes. they are just such negative depressed genetic dead ends who "god" or gods or whatever creates order hates. Free will means you do have frick ups. look at this thread. full of trolls who don't even think they are trolls with all their hair splitting bullshit and time wasting. I'm actually doing a bunch of shit and coming back here at a time to prevent myself form working out to fast. I bet they are sitting on ass in multiple threads watching some gay ass shit getting fat or turning into skeletons.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>extensive blogpost of larp
Atheists aren’t exactly the most virile demographic
2 years ago
Anonymous
>stop forcing me to be logical, rational, and to take responsibly for my actions and possibly even the actions of those I’ve interacted with
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm going to have to ask you to stop responding to me unless you're willing to explain who determines what's right and wrong in non vague terms, I'm not interested in having a back and forth of "no u" for the next hour
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s just such a basic idea that most people have no idea what the mental block on it is. Should life be a pointless slog you suffer through? Nothing but a test to see if you thank Jesus for being a friend?
You use words like "dangerous" and "terrifying" but claim morality is is arbitrary when your very soul recognizes the fear of morally maligned person.
Nihilists are taking the easiest route by simply saying "if anything can be good or evil, I will simply do nothing of importance and therefore, cannot do harm"
And they are not wrong. A world where no boundaries are crossed would be devoid of harm to our fellow man, as much as nature allows. But it would also be completely devoid of any life or purpose. Man craves conflict and goals and to ignore them is to exist in a state of perpetual delusion. A nihilist only exists in juxtaposition to those with a purpose. Without them he is simply a human hpwhoo refuses to participate in existence on any level. He might as well be dead, and his opinion with him.
>And then where shall an outlet be found for this abundant wealth of great impressions accumulated during such an extended period and representing israeli history for every israeli family, this wealth of passions, virtues, resolutions, resignations, struggles, and conquests of all kinds—where can it find an outlet but in great intellectual men and works! On the day when the israelites will be able to exhibit to us as their own work such israeliteels and golden vessels as no European nation, with its shorter and less profound experience, can or could produce, when Israel shall have changed its eternal vengeance into [pg 214] an eternal benediction for Europe: then that seventh day will once more appear when old Jehovah may rejoice in Himself, in His creation, in His chosen people—and all, all of us, will rejoice with Him!
>we >are >stardust! >NOTHINGNESS somehow EXPLODED into space, time, energy and the laws of physics >after this random atoms flew around for NO REASON until they randomly happened to create the extremely delicate and precise conditions life could exist in on earth, thanks to the nothing that exploded exploding into just the right subatomic conditions that could support consciousness >then the random atoms started to become alive because... well because they just randomly did, okay. they started to replicate by accident and made germs >and the germs changed into fish that randomly by pure chance particle spasms developed extremely complex organs to capture light and represent images to a conscious brain despite being totally blind that had a precisely balanced chemical makeup that the random spastic atoms from the big nothing that created everything happened to make >and then these water breathing fish started to breathe oxygen because... well because of the autistic whizzing aimless atoms, and then in a gorillion years the fish were monkeys because... because they just fricking were!!!! >and that’s why you are here >and everything you see and can conceive of just happens to be there because of the unconscious totally senseless collision of atoms that the nothing created that somehow just happened to pinball until they made an accurate representation of reality inside the most complex organ in existence and this was all meaningless and random and just happened to occur >oh yes, and despite all this my specific political, moral and scientific beliefs about this ludicrously insane complicated world my random atom brain that exists on extremely delicate perfect conditions just happened to evolve to understand (there is no reason the data we receive should be accurate, just useful) and that the determined and causal chemicals in said brain made me believe, are undeniably true and you’re a chud if you don’t think the same
>So get this, McManahan. I'm pulling off this fat bastard, he roll down his window and let me tell you, Mackey... His car smelled like a rotten ogre, i had to pause for a moment to regain my senses, that shit was foul, lemme tell ya... poor bastard smelled like a heated corpse. Anyway he start yapping about how he doesn't care anymore, telling me to go ahead and shoot him... I'm like "woa woa hold on, son, this is just a routine stop, your tail light is busted" he goes "i don't care i'm fed up with this world" ,i said "ok relax take a breather, son" anyway i take a look at the passanger seat, get this, he had a cartoon pillow next to him, one of them japanese charaters or what not, surrounded by empty dorito bags and soda cans.. i had to let the bastard off with a warning, felt so bad for him. It's a crazy world we're living in, Mackey, i tell ya..."
One day, Honi the Circle Maker was walking on the road and saw a man planting a carob tree. Honi asked the man, “How long will it take for this tree to bear fruit?”
The man replied, “Seventy years.”
Honi then asked the man, “And do you think you will live another seventy years and eat the fruit of this tree?”
The man answered, “Perhaps not. However, when I was born into this world, I found many carob trees planted by my father and grandfather. Just as they planted trees for me, I am planting trees for my children and grandchildren so they will be able to eat the fruit of these trees.”
Ask the Nihilist if morality exists.
If they say no ask if they believe it's okay for adults to frick babies.
If they say it is wrong they believe in some kind of morality.
If they refuse to answer they believe in complying with society which means nothing.
if they say yes crucify them.
They don't realize communism requires freedom of expression and belief.
So while marx etc didn't like religion, freedom of religion is required, as is transexuality, gay marriage, freedom of speech, worship etc.
kind of funny. Probably some south americans I bet. maybe a mexican. they have no idea what communism is lol
I have no idea what your schizo babbling about.
Means of production = things like freedom of expression in all matters physically and abstract. It's literally in marx's definition but since you are esl you probably missed that.
so yeah transexuality would have to be allowed in a true communism.
No. That's the definition of means of production which is right in the definition of communism.
There is no debate.
Why don't you know the ideology you are calling for? This the most basic tenet of communism. How the hell do you not know this?
Also Troons is a Transexual slang term. Where are you going picking up these terms? You see very misinformed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Seem* very misinformed.
Also you need to stop fricking around in multiple threads at once, that will burn your dopamine and sero levels out and frick your brain up. One thread at a time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
why are you reddit spacing you troony homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
>formatting to increase readability is ... LE BAD!
2 years ago
Anonymous
yes you should write in the most incomprehensible way possible so only the highest of intellects can decipher your message
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's certain posters from certain places you can set off
just
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OR USING CAPITAL LETTERS.
They know me from Cinemaphile. I do it all the time to them.
Im a different Anon you moronic gorilla Black person
Does it really matter? lol. it got a reaction out of sperg. You would have annoyed me eventually anyways.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Does it really matter? lol. it got a reaction out of spe-AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!
2 years ago
Anonymous
To frick with you.
>formatting to increase readability is ... LE BAD!
>3919▶ >
I'm doing it to frick with him. He doesn't even know the basic definition of communism.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Im a different Anon you moronic gorilla Black person
No way in hell would anything resembling communism allow the giant waste and miss-allocation of recourses required to keep trannies from killing themsleves
lol anons stop. Nihilismbro is not-wrong at worst, and blowing you the frick out left and right at best. It's already bad enough that you immediately brought religion into this when no one asked.
That doesnt make any sense. Its people who believe in god who are not afraid to die. Good example is mudslime suicide bombers. No one would die in the name of god without knowing there is 80 virgins in heaven waiting for you.
Nihilism without biological context is the problem. We're still animals. This is why Hedonism is also moronic, because access to things like drugs or fattening foods is simply abusing natural mechanisms meant to incentive risk-reward from a survival standpoint.
If you're a rat, you want to live like a rat. You don't live like a rat because rat god tells you too and you don't want to be a rat with an electrode in his brain that stimulates dopamine release on push so that you spend your life pressing a button until near starvation.
exactly. I would forward that the proper end point of Nihilism is biological essentialism. The lifestyle that reflects that is more akin to what fascist propaganda lionizes, rather than pleasure seeking neckbeards who use nihilism as an excuse for letting themselves go.
Most nihilists lay in on the hedonist escapism because there’s nothing else going on for them or anyone right now. The US is beyond fricked, only literally hanging basically every current politician would give any sort of real hope for a real future for anyone. Of course they know that, and know that’s the main weakpoint of the current corporate run hellscape, and that’s why they’re acting like the self-guided tour was the worst thing since 9/11
>6 million sects of Christianity who all think the other is going to hell >can't even agree on the meaning of Christ's sermons >will outright ignore biblical laws arguing that the omniscient creator of existence changed his mind for some reason >will ramble on philosophical copes for why certain sins are excusable for [reason] >most religious people live materialistic, hedon lifestyles, only not committing the son's that have direct legal consequences in real life
DUDE GOD IS THE FOUNDATION OF MORALITY
>exactly. I would forward that the proper end point of Nihilism is biological essentialism. The lifestyle that reflects that is more akin to what fascist propaganda lionizes, rather than pleasure seeking neckbeards who use nihilism as an excuse for letting themselves go.
Well it is an interesting subject. Maybe exactly because the outside observer's viewpoint? Like how ornithologist researches birds who themselves are indifferent for hows and whys.
Edgy satanic, techno-fetishistic atheist redditor-science masturbators that do not have sex and/or babies with women.
They believe in LGBTQ rights and “civil contracts”.
Frickin stupid butthole idiots if you ask me. God is a shield to protect from all that ugly wrongness
>doesn't go to church and hasn't read the Bible
CHRIST >condemns masturbation and pornography on Cinemaphile
IS >jerks off to traps and mother/son incest while God watches
KING!
>NIHLUSHM ISNT SOME DEGENERATE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT MADE BY NIETSCHE TO EXPOSE THE FOLLY OF ABANDONING THE PATH OF GOD AND GOOD AND SELF RELIANCE AND REALIZATION! >"ok, wojak." >N-NOO! YOU ARE NOT LISTENING P-PROPERLY! IT'S ACTUALLY A COMPLICATED ANTI-PHILOSOPHY, A FORM OF ULTIMATE SKEPTICISM. WE ARE LIMITED BEINGS IN A LIMITED REALITY, A REALITY WITH WHICH IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ENGAGE WITH- OR KNOW OF ANY HIGHER PURPOSE >"it's ok that you cried, wojak." >R--REEEEEEEEEEEE THATS BECAUSE MY BRAIN IS A TRASH BIO COMPUTER DONT YOU GET IT?!! ITS NOT COUNTEE EVIDENCE ITS JUST BECAUSE IM IMPERFECT! ALSO IT DOESNT MATTER, ANY WAY I REACT IS EQUALLY VALID SINCE THERE IS NO MEANING! DESPITE THERE BEING A CONSISTENT PATTERN BECAUSE THAT *STILL* DOESNT MEAN THE SOUL EXISTS OR ANY OF THAT BULLSHIT >"ok, wojak, take care now"
>DUDE, what if the racist, trump voting, incel, basement dwelling, redneck, nazi loving, trigger happy gun owning, boot licking, product consuming, pedo cartoon watching mouthbreather IS THE MORAL, CHRISTIAN GOOD GUY?
>>DUDE, what if the racist, trump voting, incel, basement dwelling, redneck, nazi loving, trigger happy gun owning, boot licking, product consuming, pedo cartoon watching mouthbreather IS THE MORAL, CHRISTIAN GOOD GUY?
he's right though...
Nihilism was never meant to be taken seriously ever. Like ever. It's utterly moronic. It doesn't even make sense.
"I believe in not believing anything"
That is pure circular logic. That's purpose. You can't believe in not believing anything beause you believe in not believing. Just derp
I'm pretty that's the argument that was and being had.
You by nature have to believe in something. You don't have a choice.
Nihilism and all it's "moral relativity" bullshit is circular failed logic.
If there really is a deity, it definitely isn't as presented in mainstream religion (a.k.a. a personal God).
To project the universe and existence itself into the arbitrary perspective of some recent primate species is really immeasurable levels of cope.
Praying, mystifying and personifying God, as is done in most religions, is just as mad as it would be to pray to gravity or saying that the laws of thermodynamics loves you and wants your electrical signals to fire in a specific way because reasons.
Religion is escapism.
>because people aren't part of the universe..
I don't even know what christschizo canned argument this is supposed to be invoking. Who the frick says people aren't part of the universe?
Who flicks the button on the electric chairs?
Do people have free will or not?
What else has free will after that?
Either everything has some level of free will or nothing does.
So be a nihilist lol which is completely moronic or realize.. well everything is alive at some level. Go nuts. It's not complex.
>YOU DONT NEED GOD TO BE MORAL >YEAH SO WHAT MY MORALS JUST SO HAPPEN TO ALIGN EXACTLY WITH SOCIETAL NORMS HEAVILY BASED OFF RELIGIOUS VALUES AND CUSTOMS >I ALSO HATE EVERYTHNG AND I WANT TO DIE
I don't know which anon in here never was taught the Lucretius Curve or the Free Will-Order requirement for the universe to exist but his education is just fricking terrible and he needs to go back to school.
This just insanely bad. There has to be enough order for free will exist but enough free will for the universe to exist. It's why we can predict things 99.9999% of the time but not 100% or 0%. It's why Pi repeats, it's why hawking radiation happens, it's just amazing how bad his education is.
>put a gun to someones head
>they get scared
wow you really proved your point. inb4 some tough guy posturing, if you even breathed near me id snap your back in half
Based
Cringe
you're going to disappear like the rest of us no matter what you do
Of course: from dust we came, to dust we will return.
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I feel like the guy on the right is having a really good time and the guy on the left is really depressing to hang around.
You aren't selling your product well. Make jesus a party guy who is laughing and jacked and the devil sad man.
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Burn in hell Satan
>Continues to posture
what are you scared of? Dying? Pussy and not living that you preach.
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Yeah it would work just as good with depression
Bane?
Why'd you take a guy on a plane only to shoot him before throwing him out? are you a nihilist?
>life only has meaning if there is a magic man who will judge me at the end of my life and give me a "reward" (the denial that I'm going to die forever one day)
How many days without female contact
Shameless rip off of Man Alive.
More or less yes.
You can not call murder or rape bad because you have no fixed reference point to objectively say they are evil.
So is spirituality.
>the will of God isn unknowable
If only he had a book or something
Also God existing is enough to justify right or wrong because it offers a paradigm in which absolutes exist
>you don’t know those absolutes
Then it’s a quest to find out through moral philosophy, whereas if they don’t exist at all the quest to ethics is doomed entirely.
Read Ecclesiastes
The only new cartoon that gave me a hearty kek
Nihillism is gay but this is a huge misinterpretation of nihilism still funny tho kek
>Nihilist trying to stay cool despite getting btfo by a stoner cartoon
Typical
Not a nihlist, nihilism isn't just being edgy and depressed
>truly a strange game, to kill nihilism the only move is the threat of violence
I want to die so fricking badly. I dream of getting a fatal disease or someone drifting into my lane on the way to work.
But for some reason I can't put the gun to my own head. Lack of will, guilt, fear, hope, I don't know what it is. But something keeps me from bringing my own end. And a lot of my life is spent wondering what.
>I "want" to die but I'm too much of a pussy to kill myself
that scene was basically designed to mock your kind
Just because life is meaningless doesn't mean you want to die.
If you kill the nihilists they win.
sometimes its not about winning, its the fun of the experience
So it's a win-win then?
Fear of death is an instinct built by a billion years of evolution. Every living creature is a slave to biological imperative.
>DUDE HECKIN SCIENCE LMAO
Ftfy newfriend
Black person
he's right you filthy gay
>he's right you filthy gay
Do you really think animals fear death?
...yes? are you moronic?
I know for a fact even spiders fear death. They always scrunch up as the shoe comes down.
Literally the most innate, primal emotion that exists? nah probably not
When a predator breaks a twig near a deer, what causes it to take off at mach-1? Is that not fear?
Survival instinct.
What causes a spider to do something pointless like flinch as a shoe speeds towards it?
Survival, so the resistance to death. They have an instinct to resist death. In other words, a sort of "fear of death"
Fear IS a survival instinct
The drive of self-preservation doesn't require an abstract understanding of the concept of one's nonexistence. Of course they'll want to avoid danger, but they're not losing sleep over their mortality
I don't understand your point. The top of that line of replies merely states that fear of immediate death is an almost unbreakable instinct built into all living things. So breaking down and freaking out when there's a gun in your face is a natural reaction no matter what one's philosophy.
humans are animals
interesting question, indeed animals are scared of pain but can they really understand death enough to really fear it or is it all instinct
>enslaved to the biological imperative
People kill themselves all the time. They suffer a lot in the name of abstract concepts and ideals. Lots of things that buck the idea that humans are just slaves to the germ line, or that it's only the result of the pattern-seeking brain. Hell, you wouldn't care so much about arguing that humans are bound to the biological imperative if that line of thinking wasn't inherently wrong.
It's my biological instinct to reply to this post with death to all trannies and to yell Black person. If this is the case can you truly say I've done anything wrong?
Based instincts
That's conditioning, not instinct
I disagree, disgust is a very instinctual feeling. Biological even.
>I don't believe in deeper meaning in the universe like god
>THAT MEANS I GET TO KILL YOU
are christcucks pure evil?
What's evil if there is no meaning?
the same evil you're already imagining. Keep in mind that god being dead means I think god is dead for you too. You just live by a fiction in your head. Your definition of evil is made up too, you just don't believe that it is, but to me it is. We both agree that murder, rape, etc. is evil I hope?
Where do those morals come from?
someone made them up. The Bible was made up too.
>someone made them up
so why do we still follow them? did you ever stop to think about that for a second? maybe God isnt real smartypants and hes just a construct thought up by humans. boo hoo get used to it.
>cope cope cope cope
so it’s not evil therefore your last post is nonsense
From our point of view no
From your point of view, there is no evil, so also no
I think it's a matter of awareness rather than "right and wrong" in the moral sense. If you really understand the full consequences of your actions, you know that wilfully causing harm to another also causes harm to yourself. You don't need morality to tell you not to harm your own organism, only a modicum of awareness and intelligence
im not a christcuck but i would kill you for being an atheist
>Nihilism and atheism are the same thing
How to spot the fifteen year old
>How to spot the fifteen year old
>reddit spacing
>you are this you are this you are this
when you have a made up template that everyone who doesn’t think like you has to fit in order for you to feel justified seething at them it’s called a strawman. i guarantee i’ve been on this website longer than you fricking have. can you tell me what word would get you perma banned in 2006? no you cant. keep making your little predictions and mental copes because you can’t handle anything that isn’t a little homosexual hugbox that constantly validates how you want to see the world. i’m glad people gang up on homosexuals like you every thread and make them cry, because this place is not for people who never want their points of view challenged like you. it’s hilarious how you ironically accuse me of being a schizo skydaddy freak while sounding like every fricking redditor in existence every single post you make.
>it’s called a strawman, you fricking newbie troony redditors
Literally any philosophical argument can be defeated by pointing a gun at the person making it.
>tfw no family, friends, hobbies or even a meaningful job, yet I never feel unfulfilled or depressed
How do I do it, bros?
what is paying for your lifestyle if you have no family, friends or a job?
I have a job, but it's meaningless wage slavery.
I don't use any kind of drug. It may just be stupidity on my part.
No one in your life is currently or had in the past insisted you hate yourself
See if your local government agency has any need of you.
Low intelligence or on antidepressants
Youre one of the few mentally stable people left
Browsing Cinemaphile
Most likely low iq which is a good thing you are just dumb enough to simply accept things the way they are without torment. Most people are in the unfortunate situation of being just smart enough to realize and understand that their lives are shit, but too stupid to fix it and find meaning.
>find meaning
Create meaning. After 100 iq, there’s another band who don’t understand any meaning they “find” is just what they’ve decided matters.
Do you get meaning from some other source or are you just somehow content with having a meaningless life?
If the latter you might just be an anomaly.
nihilism is cringe
god isn't real and we still just go to a hole in the ground after working a crappy job for 60 years. I don't think this cartoon resolved that issue.
You can’t have morals without divine authority.
Think about it, if there’s no divine judgement, who’s to say we all shouldn’t steal, lie, and kill our way to the top?
I never needed divine authority ti know that I shouldn't cause meaningless harm to other living creatures.
What orders the hierarchy of meaning?
God. By God.
nope, made up by man. We can agree to disagree here. But I just want you to understand that from my perspective, you're following up made up morality the same way I am. I do not see any difference between us in that respect.
The case for Christ is pretty clear, both logically and historically. You are just running away from the responsibility to be a proper person by pretending there's no knowing what's objectively right and wrong.
The case for Christ is
>book said this, it is true because book says book is true
No one is running away from a promise of absolute and unquestioning salvation for just saying Jesus is your bro. They’re calling you a fool for thinking morality needs a skydaddy to exist.
>skydaddy
That's not how you spell Trinity.
Yeah, yeah. Everything's made up and nothing matters. And when your earthly life has ended and you finally kneel before him, you will surely proclaim you couldn't know any better, prideful to the end.
>Yeah, yeah. Everything's made up and nothing matters. And when your earthly life has ended and you finally kneel before him, you will surely proclaim you couldn't know any better, prideful to the end.
But I literally do not know. I WANT to be religious. I want to believe in God. It's just not a choice. Can you actively will yourself to believe in Zeus? The Christian God is nonsensical. He changes personality from one book to another. The lore of the Bible is worse than modern Star Wars. I can't just decide to believe in it. It just doesn't make any sense. I always bait superstitions, curses, ghosts, hexes, etc. and nothing EVER happens. Anytime anyone says "doing x bad luck" or some variant, I instantly go and do it to see if something happens, and nothing does. I want to see personal proof of the supernatural even if it's awful to me, because that's how much I want to believe. And still, nothing has happened. If your god exists he absolutely refuses to send me a sign so that I can save myself despite me conducting my life morally. I live my life with morality knowing that there is no ultimate reward for any of it, and that no one will ever care.
Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Catholic Answers (https://www.catholic.com/) is also a good address if you have specific questions.
This guy is another good address.
ignore the amermutt sending you links and just read confessions by augustine and either or by kierkegaard. if by the end of that you aren’t interested in religion then it’s not for you. brothers karamazov is also a good illustration of what it’s about. it’s an active way of life you have to live that engenders a belief, like anything in life no profound change is going to come to you while you don’t actively go out and live and learn shit for yourself
I'm not American and I second Confessions. The it's not for you part is false though.
You sound like a midwit.
>catholic
Ahahaha you worship the Borgias
Don't mind if I do
Hey, I’d worship Jeremy irons too. Sadly his show went so soft on them it wasn’t even funny. They didn’t even have the celebratory orgy when his king of kings thing worked!
I don't pretend that. Why are you making up stuff? Christian morality is made up too. You feel comfortable practicing it despite it being made up. Just understand that I too practice made up morality. I don't swear. I don't commit violence. I donate blood regularly. I volunteer at a food bank. Etc.
if the only thing holding you back from being a shitty person is judgement in the afterlife youre just a shitty person
define shitty person and back up why your definition is the objective one out of all the others with empirical evidence.
There are universal accepted morals regardless of a differences in religion or lack thereof. Such as looking down stealing lying and killing.
My moral definitions are self defined. I personally view any action that causes or is done with the intent of causing harm onto another being as immoral. To elaborate, I don't view things like drug use or masterbation as immoral because any potential harm can only be done onto yourself. Though things such as lying or cheating are still immoral even if they're not consciously aware of it because you are still abusing their trust and would be indirectly harming them. I feel like this is the most objective view on morality one can have but I think most people are too stupid to reach that conclusion on their own, which is why a lot of non religious people are degenerates who use Twitter likes as a basis for morality and bring down the rest of society
This is 100% accurate. There's no objective reason to be a good person. You need some level of spirituality to even believe that there is.
There's no inherent value in being "at the top". The quality of your life experience isn't based on how much you've accumulated or how many you've subjugated. Striving to reach the top at the expense of others is very primitive and immature. It's not "wrong", but it ultimately doesn't get you what you really want. You don't need an authority to dictate morality when cause and effect exist. Doing harm to others is doing harm to yourself, but it takes a mature person to realize this
>who’s to say we all shouldn’t steal, lie, and kill our way to the top?
Because if everyone lived that way, no one would ever stay at the top long enough for it to matter, and the people who made it would be the best and brightest of us, and their only reward would just to be killed and their families killed, and anyone smart would realize this and never go for “the top,” and find out another way to manipulate whatever system.
I base my own actions off how I would like people to act towards me. It's really not a hard concept.
>to the top
How does it feel to know nothing more than CONSOOMING?
And this is exactly the reason religion was created, so savages like you wouldn't turn into feral Black folk and loot, rape and murder nonstop until you're put out of your misery.
You shouldn't do those things because their wrong and cause harm not because a israelite wizard told you not to. Are you saying that without the fear of judgment you'd resort to theft and murder?
The only true release from suffering is to never have been born at all.
For me, it's absurdism.
Da da di da doo dada didi dada doo
>Are immediately killed for no reason
So they were right?
Rick and Morty did this exact joke better
What a out actually suicidal nihilists?
Reminder that At least the nihilists have the integrity to admit that morality is totally arbitrary. They view morality as a pragmatic set of rules (like a social contract) that help people build a civil society, so that we're not murdering one another like savage animals in the state of nature.
The problem with "morality comes from God" is that the will of God is unknowable (or non-existent). Anyone claiming to speak on behalf of God is merely speaking their own private, personal prejudice. "God says homosexuality is wrong" means "I, the speaker, hold the personal opinion that homosexuality is wrong."
Since there are no limits on what prejudices a person may hold, there is essentially no act that cannot be justified as the will of God -- up to and including torture, rape, and murder.
Religionist morality has the same "anything goes" problem as nihilism. The difference is that actual nihilists are willing to compromise and reason with one another in their struggle to coexist peacefully; but you cannot reason with a True Believer.
A True Believer who is convinced their God wants you dead believes it's wrong NOT to murder you. And there is nothing you can say to persuade them otherwise, short of killing them first.
That makes religious morality far more dangerous and terrifying than nihilism.
*atheists murder more people in one century in the soviet union and china than religious people do in all of recorded history*
whoops
Communism is basically a religion
>yes my entire belief system is based on complete nonsense I can change on a whim to justify anything I want to do that I cannot coherently defend but will judge everyone else based on anyway, but yours is a code of rules set in stone you must alter your life to adhere to... so uh... you are dangerous
lmfao
>code of rules set in stone
>changes by every person
>changes over the course of a person's life
what are you basing that on? let me guess... your own subjective experience I have to take your word on...
Oh, so I take it you still go to Latin Mass. Also I take it you don't eat at all on Sunday, have never worked on Sunday, and still diligently practice Passover, and consider yourself, a follower of Christ, a devout israelite. Or is the cutoff point for you more medieval than that? And before you say 'Vatican II was a travesty and not legitimate', cool, so how does that play with the church being the absolute infallible bride of christ? What's the 'correct' interpretation that you all agree on, since you're so certain it exists.
I bet that zoomer doesn't even know what counts as a fish for lent purposes
>same anything goes problem
Explain why things people restrained themselves from before like homosexualry and troony shit suddenly become acceptable with atheism then.
>atheism boogeyman
Christianity is still the biggest religion in the west. Christtards are just cucks.
that’s what’s scary about it. we are nowhere near peak atheism and already we have anal sex being taught in muttoid schools. it’s gonna be one hell of a ride down the sinkhole
Seems like it's just an American/west problem tbh (Jews). Korea is as much atheist as it is Christian and they aren't nearly as pozzed.
>That makes religious morality far more dangerous and terrifying than nihilism.
I didn't read anything you said, but this sentence alone proves it wasn't worth reading anyway.
seems like cityslicker cope. when I travelled europe the religious people in towns were the nicest you could meet and often let me stay in their houses and cooked me food for a night despite the fact I was a stranger. in any built up urban space (atheists) they wouldn’t even spit on you and you’re on your own.
The idea that nihilism is somehow less terrifying than religious belief is fundamentally stupid. And yet you actually believe it. I think the problem is that you're defining your funko-pop quasi-spiritual atheism as actual nihilism.
>The idea that nihilism is somehow less terrifying than religious belief is fundamentally stupid. And yet you actually believe it.
Damn if anon from Cinemaphile says it, it must be true, no argument needed rite ? This is how religious people argue
>you just WROOOONG OKAY ? BECAUSE YOU ARE OKAY ?
you're quoting the wrong person btw moron
Replied to the wrong person
I accept your concession.
>moronic reading comprehension level
Tell me you have a sub-90 IQ without telling me you have a sub-90 IQ.
Also kek at
>defending a bunch of nonsense.
The Bible is a bunch of nonsense. But it's popular so I guess it's okay.
>doesn’t attempt to refute any of the replies
>I win
lmfao cope
The replies aren't refuting anything I'm saying either
Your post is literally just an opinion piece, there’s no hard evidence to rebuke
>religious people are like this and think like this
Evidence? The only reality I see is mao and stalin genociding hundreds of millions of people while being atheist, but apparently religion is deadlier.
State atheists have a far higher body count than any religion though. The soviet union (you HAD to be atheist to be in the politburo) executed 100 million people, many of them religious and they justified it with atheism. This fact refutes the bullshit you spew about religion being dangerous. Human beings are dangerous, atheism makes them more dangerous
Do you want to count the number of people who died in the name of God ? It will take forever
Lmfao, so you are a dumbass who doesn’t read. Thirty years war is the deadliest religious conflict in western history. Killed 8-9 million. The crusades all together barely clock in at 1 million. I’ll be extremely generous and give you the taiping rebellion in china (entirely a secular power grab but it’s the only way to make this remotely interesting)- 30 million. That’s by far the three biggest religious conflicts in history and the rest are under 1 million death counts. So that’s like 41 million people. State atheist russia executed 100 million in less than a century. Then we have maoist china, also state atheist. 60 million. I’m not even counting shit like the genocides of religious people in romania and other commie satellite states.
>forgetting about how the Spanish Inquisition killed up to 5000 people in the 300 years it was active
ngmi
>State atheist russia executed 100 million in less than a century
lmao. at least make up some plausible numbers
bro even pozzed commie media admits it
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810
very convenient that you rely on WSJ opinion pieces only when they fit your narrative, that same guy made a dozen climate change rants and you dont give a shit about them
moving goal posts won't save you from hell
>executing people is the same thing as letting them suffer economic mismanagement, poverty and lack of medical access and harsh police enforcement,
so the US also killed millions of its own people then?
There's at least a 100 million deaths just for Islam, what the frick are you talking about, is God and religion just christianity ? Religious people have also killed eachother and keep doing it. Doesn't change the fact that Religion won't be needed the more the world is educated.
Again : If god asks to kill your kid, you'll do it.
>100 million deaths for islam
source?
also if an atheist wants to kill a kid, they just do it. or they use “ethics” to justify it. how many religious people kill children because god tells them to every year?
>Source
Academic estimates around 900 000–1.2 billion people have died as the result of Islam and it’s continuous war of religious expansion since the 7th century to the current day across three continents.
In The Indian Sub-Continent alone, Islamic raids, invasions & conquest account for the majority of these deaths committed against innocent Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs and Parsees. There's like 75 or 80 million hindus killed during the Muslim invasion. We can also count the deaths of slave caused by the Arab Slave trade.
>Rest of the post
The religious will think it's wrong NOT to kill the kid. If God tells me to kill my son I'll say No. That's what good morals are.
With time, the sub-100 IQ will cease to exist and religion won't be needed anymore
>doesn’t post a source
You are actually fricking moronic
"anon, in the name of God, you must help us explode a nuclear reactor in order to strike a mighty blow against the heretics flooding into our lands. no need to worry about collateral damage, good Christian folks such as ourselves are already guaranteed a place in Heaven."
It’s literally true though. If you are a materialist your moral beliefs are utter nonsense cope by your own admission. You cannot coherently defend why your system is better than anyone else’s, yet you will still judge them. Anything an atheist wants to do will simply become moral because they can talk themselves into it- hence the modern west. What you say doesnt line up with reality.
Yet the West was once christian, especially Europe, why did it shift into atheism ? Because we need religion less and less.
What are my nonsense moral beliefs by the way ? You sound omniscient dear anon
Yes, they do. If God tells you to kill your kid, what will you say ? And don't bullshit around with "LE FICTIONAL CHALLENGE". Abraham almost did it and abrahamists love that story.
The very fact that the will of God isn't explicit, and must be determined through thought, trial, and error, puts it on the the same footing as your "arbitrary pragmatic set of rules."
Here's the difference: The rules that religion has found were discovered through millennia. Entire cultures have risen and fallen as part of the discovery process from which Godly moral traditions have emerged.
Or you can choose nihilism, and pick a set of rules based on what some pot smoking college college students guess would probably work just fine.
You fail to realize that objectivity is essential to healthy morality. You don't have to posit the existence of God to find that objectivity if you don't want to. But you need objective truth and objective morality, or else you expose yourself to a relativistic hellhole where any societal poison is permitted as long as people just agree to go along with it.
If the social contract is arbitrary, then surely any change to it is valid, right? So if people come up with a new "pragmatic set of rules" where people murder each other like savage animals, who is to say it's any worse than your attempt to coexist peacefully? In what sense could your willingness to compromise with such people be considered superior to a more absolutist religious approach that actually takes steps to preserve the morality that we've discovered?
any change to the social contract is only valid as long as enough people agree to the new terms, they are enforced and negotiated with every interaction, changes dont come overnight, they drift on a generational scale. your hyperbole example falls flat on its face because people are hardwired to cooperate with eachother and dont like being beaten and killed.
Dear Midwit,
The fact that people are hardwired to prefer certain ways and thrive under certain conditions is an argument in favor of natural, non-arbitrary moral absolutism.
Sincerely, Anon
>people are hardwired
The only things people are hardwired to do are the things that our biology limits us to.
What the frick have muslims discovered ? Evolved ? Look at muslim countriez, trash bags walking, in some of them slavery was abolished only 50 years ago, marrying kids is not permitted only because the west got involved and said "human rights homie ?" Kek. Religion has evolved and discovered thanks to atheism
You are wrong and I will tell you why soon, assuming that this thread does not get archived.
Why is killing people "bad"? They are going to die anyway. Isn't killing them an act of emancipation?
Same for peaceful coexistence, why peacefully coexist and survive forever? Why do it? Just because you are a slave to your unchosen birth and the unchosen predispositions that follow? Why make more babies to make them do it? Wouldn't it be better if they were all emancipated?
>Why is killing people "bad"?
Mostly because there’s no way to kill them all and the ones you do kill will have loved ones who will seek vengeance, likely on random people, if murder isn’t prohibited/investigated.
Then to go all kant, if everyone murdered everyone, there’d be no one.
That would mean that killing is not a smart idea, not that its immoral. That means that if someone could kill another person and get away with it then its completely moral. Being a troony isn't smart because it leads to suicide, does that make being a troony immoral too?
>immoral
Clearly was a secular reasoning for prohibition of murder, even if that wasn’t what you were asking for.
I'm not religious, I was just stating that haven't explained why murder is immoral.
You’re using Immoral as it is capitalized. Morality, in a secular sense, is just what’s most logical/rational/reasonable.
So morality is your mind has nothing do with right and wrong, only whats intelligent and unintelligent? I wouldn't leave a child near you, for all I know if you raped it and thought you could get away with it you wouldn't think you've done anything immoral
Right and wrong as determined by what’s best for everyone.
And who determines whats best for everyone? Influencers on Twitter? Your view of morality seems extremely arbitrary, it's strange that your type is so obsessed with forcing it onto other people
>logic/rationality
More vagueness, you're only proving my point
What point? What is arbitrary about the idea this is the only life you get, and therefore “morality” should be determined by the pursuit of making it the least abjectly horrible as possible?
>“morality” should be determined by the pursuit of making it the least abjectly horrible as possible
This is a more strict definition of what I was asking for, even though it has nothing to do with what a non specified group of people have subjectively agreed upon like you were just implying. And it still has enough vagueness to it where both you and I could have disagree on fundamental issues even if we both agreed on what you've said. But I'll take it I suppose
>non-specified group created logic, rationality
Black person fricking what?
You said here
that morality was defined by what "everyone" has collectively agreed on. That has nothing to do with what is and isn't rational
FOR everyone is not the same thing as BY everyone.
Is english your first language?
I misinterpreted your statement then. I assume you determine on your own what's for the best of everyone?
I see you can’t really comprehend reality not governed by a single omnipotent authority, or something pretending to be.
Is that a yes or a no?
It’s neither. Trick question that I hope you realize is a trick question, and are just trolling.
Reads more like indecision to me
You’re just proving
.
Trying to codify reality into such simple black and white terms means, and like
was saying, need the omnipresent threat of eternal torment to not just steal, murder, and rape until you die.
Having an objective definition for something doesn't require the belief in god. You just said that morality was defined by what is rationally best for society. I would expect what is rational to be objective. As it stands it sounds like you believe that what is right or wrong is simply whatever you want it to mean in the moment
Having objective definitions of EVERYTHING requires skydaddy. Or worse. Pope, who will make just as arbitrary decisions as you’re claiming secular (this bad) leaders will make.
>Having objective definitions of EVERYTHING requires skydaddy
I sincerely hope you're trolling me at this point. Do you think the entire field of science is just people playing pretend?
There is order and free will
or disorder and no free will
This is basic paradox work from thousands of years ago.
So call it god, call it allah, call it forces of universe like hawking, but something or somethings exist maintaining order but giving us free will.
>order and no free will or disorder and free will
I think this is what you meant? The order of an omniscient entity means free will is impossible.
No.
This is basic paradox work from thousands of years ago.
"the curve"
did you even graduate highschool.
Disorder and free will isn't a contradiction though. Order and free will is. Not seeing the paradox. But I wasn’t a moron so that’s probably why I never heard anyone try to say that’s a “paradox.”
.......listen if you are just going to be a smart ass frick off.
it's the Lucretius Curve. Just frick.The universe curved from the start for no reason what so ever. All things physical and metaphysical have angular momentum.
I feel stupid even explaing shit you should have learned in 8 to 10th grade.
So you need order to have free will. It's a paradox but true. It's called "paradox work". Basic highschool shit. It's why pi just keeps repeating.
Oh, determinism. Yea that’s a mind-trap for midwits. Awareness automatically contradicts any limitations on free will. God being real, omniscient, means free will can’t exist. They literally inverted that to teach you wrong, on purpose
no. it means the opposite.
jesus fricking christ.
it literally means the opposite
there must be order for free will to exist and there must be free will for order to exist.
You have to be trolling me now.
Or science is about collecting data and coming to the best possible conclusion from that data. And “best possible” is what most accurately reflects that data and whatever new data comes to light.
Now feel free to make some crack about whatever bullshit popsci “political” issue is in the media, to expose you as an absolute joke.
>Or science is about collecting data and coming to the best possible conclusion from that data
And the collection of that data is done so we can reach and understanding that comes the closest to objective reality. Nothing you said in this post discredits what I've said. What are you trying to say here? That science exists to say what we subjectively want it to say?
Are you stupid? You keep manufacturing strawman arguments.
Respond to my point or don't respond to it at all
>respond to my strawman or don’t respond
Yea, you’re just stupid. We need religion to keep morons like you from ruining it for everyone else.
>And the collection of that data is done so we can reach and understanding that comes the closest to objective reality
Can you explain how this is a strawman? If you disagree with this statement I can only assume you believe the latter is the case.
That’s right, pretend that’s all you posted.
I acknowledged the second half of my post, which wasn't even the main point of my argument, when I said
>If you disagree with this statement I can only assume you believe the latter is the case.
If this thread wasn't already at its limit I would accuse you of baiting me into bumping the thread at this point
>you’re trolling me by disengaging with my nonsense
Thing is, you’re religious, therefore from you “objective reality” is a loaded term.
I've explicitly said that I'm not religious, only that I believe that objective reality exists, which objectively speaking it does. You've been dodging the argument this entire thread, I want to believe you're a troll but I know your kind disingenuously argue like this all the time. You can't accept the concept that could ever be wrong even when obvious flaws are presented to you. You're a lot more like the religious zealots you hate then you'd think.
>I don’t believe in skydaddy morality, I just spent this entire thread acting like I did
lol
I accept your concession
Of what? What did I concede? What point did you ever argue at any point?
Are you ready to discuss my points again? I thought you were busy posting
>no u lmao
Feel free to respond to these at any point
Listen, I don’t know how you mistook me for a christgay, but you just wasted an entire thread on a faulty assumption.
I never made that assumption. Are you just desperate to be the last person to respond? Your posts are loaded with nothing, I may as well be speaking to a bot
Bruh, if you’re not a christgay, and I’m not a christgay, then we agree that it’s possible to derive “objective morality” from secular means.
Oh yeah. this is me
But the fact some elderly schizo was about to kill his kid on rock because he heard voices until the last second managed to create the whole monotheistic faith is pretty telling.
I really think trolls always have existed and humanity is finally getting better because we've gotten so good at killing them off or wiping out their gene lines. Hence incels, ww1 and 2, suicides and now covid.
100 years from now most of these "trolls" will not pass on their genes. they are just such negative depressed genetic dead ends who "god" or gods or whatever creates order hates. Free will means you do have frick ups. look at this thread. full of trolls who don't even think they are trolls with all their hair splitting bullshit and time wasting. I'm actually doing a bunch of shit and coming back here at a time to prevent myself form working out to fast. I bet they are sitting on ass in multiple threads watching some gay ass shit getting fat or turning into skeletons.
>extensive blogpost of larp
Atheists aren’t exactly the most virile demographic
>stop forcing me to be logical, rational, and to take responsibly for my actions and possibly even the actions of those I’ve interacted with
lol
I'm going to have to ask you to stop responding to me unless you're willing to explain who determines what's right and wrong in non vague terms, I'm not interested in having a back and forth of "no u" for the next hour
It’s just such a basic idea that most people have no idea what the mental block on it is. Should life be a pointless slog you suffer through? Nothing but a test to see if you thank Jesus for being a friend?
everyone got in a big circle and talked about it
>r/nihilism user is just an assblasted homosexual that's upset other people are grossed out by him eating poop
Like clockwork
You use words like "dangerous" and "terrifying" but claim morality is is arbitrary when your very soul recognizes the fear of morally maligned person.
Nihilists are taking the easiest route by simply saying "if anything can be good or evil, I will simply do nothing of importance and therefore, cannot do harm"
And they are not wrong. A world where no boundaries are crossed would be devoid of harm to our fellow man, as much as nature allows. But it would also be completely devoid of any life or purpose. Man craves conflict and goals and to ignore them is to exist in a state of perpetual delusion. A nihilist only exists in juxtaposition to those with a purpose. Without them he is simply a human hpwhoo refuses to participate in existence on any level. He might as well be dead, and his opinion with him.
>you fear people may harm you or yours? That means you know, in your soul, that God is real and Jesus is the way!
your mythology has a long established history of claiming ownership/invention of basically every fundamental aspect of the human experience.
>And then where shall an outlet be found for this abundant wealth of great impressions accumulated during such an extended period and representing israeli history for every israeli family, this wealth of passions, virtues, resolutions, resignations, struggles, and conquests of all kinds—where can it find an outlet but in great intellectual men and works! On the day when the israelites will be able to exhibit to us as their own work such israeliteels and golden vessels as no European nation, with its shorter and less profound experience, can or could produce, when Israel shall have changed its eternal vengeance into [pg 214] an eternal benediction for Europe: then that seventh day will once more appear when old Jehovah may rejoice in Himself, in His creation, in His chosen people—and all, all of us, will rejoice with Him!
why do people take nietzsche seriously again
>Shows creators say they weren't really trying to make some deep comment on nihilism.
>It was more of a "just don't be a bummer, bro"
The people who keep shilling this were probably loud rick and morty fans before it stopped being cool.
>we
>are
>stardust!
>NOTHINGNESS somehow EXPLODED into space, time, energy and the laws of physics
>after this random atoms flew around for NO REASON until they randomly happened to create the extremely delicate and precise conditions life could exist in on earth, thanks to the nothing that exploded exploding into just the right subatomic conditions that could support consciousness
>then the random atoms started to become alive because... well because they just randomly did, okay. they started to replicate by accident and made germs
>and the germs changed into fish that randomly by pure chance particle spasms developed extremely complex organs to capture light and represent images to a conscious brain despite being totally blind that had a precisely balanced chemical makeup that the random spastic atoms from the big nothing that created everything happened to make
>and then these water breathing fish started to breathe oxygen because... well because of the autistic whizzing aimless atoms, and then in a gorillion years the fish were monkeys because... because they just fricking were!!!!
>and that’s why you are here
>and everything you see and can conceive of just happens to be there because of the unconscious totally senseless collision of atoms that the nothing created that somehow just happened to pinball until they made an accurate representation of reality inside the most complex organ in existence and this was all meaningless and random and just happened to occur
>oh yes, and despite all this my specific political, moral and scientific beliefs about this ludicrously insane complicated world my random atom brain that exists on extremely delicate perfect conditions just happened to evolve to understand (there is no reason the data we receive should be accurate, just useful) and that the determined and causal chemicals in said brain made me believe, are undeniably true and you’re a chud if you don’t think the same
This post is the equivalent of an atheist thinking he made a point by saying "skidaddy lol"
I don't say this but I do look like this
Who are you quoting?
>So get this, McManahan. I'm pulling off this fat bastard, he roll down his window and let me tell you, Mackey... His car smelled like a rotten ogre, i had to pause for a moment to regain my senses, that shit was foul, lemme tell ya... poor bastard smelled like a heated corpse. Anyway he start yapping about how he doesn't care anymore, telling me to go ahead and shoot him... I'm like "woa woa hold on, son, this is just a routine stop, your tail light is busted" he goes "i don't care i'm fed up with this world" ,i said "ok relax take a breather, son" anyway i take a look at the passanger seat, get this, he had a cartoon pillow next to him, one of them japanese charaters or what not, surrounded by empty dorito bags and soda cans.. i had to let the bastard off with a warning, felt so bad for him. It's a crazy world we're living in, Mackey, i tell ya..."
That's not what nihilism means
One day, Honi the Circle Maker was walking on the road and saw a man planting a carob tree. Honi asked the man, “How long will it take for this tree to bear fruit?”
The man replied, “Seventy years.”
Honi then asked the man, “And do you think you will live another seventy years and eat the fruit of this tree?”
The man answered, “Perhaps not. However, when I was born into this world, I found many carob trees planted by my father and grandfather. Just as they planted trees for me, I am planting trees for my children and grandchildren so they will be able to eat the fruit of these trees.”
There's literally zero historical evidence that that ever happened
Ask the Nihilist if morality exists.
If they say no ask if they believe it's okay for adults to frick babies.
If they say it is wrong they believe in some kind of morality.
If they refuse to answer they believe in complying with society which means nothing.
if they say yes crucify them.
Come crucify me gay. You won't do shit
youre never going to crucify anyone cringelord
lol
I don't like adults fricking babies, my pals don't like it either, so either you stop or we kill you.
It's pretty easy.
The universe is not uncaring.
There you go
>nihilism thread
>everything devolves into jilted skeptics coming out of the woodwork to tradlarp and cry about communism
They don't realize communism requires freedom of expression and belief.
So while marx etc didn't like religion, freedom of religion is required, as is transexuality, gay marriage, freedom of speech, worship etc.
kind of funny. Probably some south americans I bet. maybe a mexican. they have no idea what communism is lol
> Marx was gay like me!
lol no
I have no idea what your schizo babbling about.
Means of production = things like freedom of expression in all matters physically and abstract. It's literally in marx's definition but since you are esl you probably missed that.
so yeah transexuality would have to be allowed in a true communism.
Now go back to eating rice or whatever
giant cope made by tankies
It's literally marx's definition. There is no debate.
Troons would be liquidated under the dictatorship of the proletariat, take your anarcho-liberalism elsewhere
Lenin was the first to allow gays on state level.
No. That's the definition of means of production which is right in the definition of communism.
There is no debate.
Why don't you know the ideology you are calling for? This the most basic tenet of communism. How the hell do you not know this?
Also Troons is a Transexual slang term. Where are you going picking up these terms? You see very misinformed.
Seem* very misinformed.
Also you need to stop fricking around in multiple threads at once, that will burn your dopamine and sero levels out and frick your brain up. One thread at a time.
why are you reddit spacing you troony homosexual
>formatting to increase readability is ... LE BAD!
yes you should write in the most incomprehensible way possible so only the highest of intellects can decipher your message
There's certain posters from certain places you can set off
just
by
spacing
words
out
OR USING CAPITAL LETTERS.
They know me from Cinemaphile. I do it all the time to them.
Does it really matter? lol. it got a reaction out of sperg. You would have annoyed me eventually anyways.
>Does it really matter? lol. it got a reaction out of spe-AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!
To frick with you.
>3919▶
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I'm doing it to frick with him. He doesn't even know the basic definition of communism.
Im a different Anon you moronic gorilla Black person
No way in hell would anything resembling communism allow the giant waste and miss-allocation of recourses required to keep trannies from killing themsleves
>Communist mocks you by saying that you are allowed to eat unlike him
USSR moment
>communism requires freedom of expression
even liberals cry about communism these days, we've finally grasped why it is uhm le bad.
Its hilarious that these flesh OBSESSED hedonists pretend to be some kind of church dad when all of them are going to hell when they die.
>the people who are making fun of me are... LE STRAWMAN I MADE UP TO HELP ME COPE WITH SEETHING AT THEM
Nah, you’re just insufferable
You will never be a Christian.
You will never be a woman.
are atheists itt seething?
Eyeyeye waiiit a secon man
These guys uhhhh don think, like, nothing matters at all man
These guys were scared to die and stuff man
lol anons stop. Nihilismbro is not-wrong at worst, and blowing you the frick out left and right at best. It's already bad enough that you immediately brought religion into this when no one asked.
That doesnt make any sense. Its people who believe in god who are not afraid to die. Good example is mudslime suicide bombers. No one would die in the name of god without knowing there is 80 virgins in heaven waiting for you.
>Zoomers actually cum and shit their pants over a stolen bit from the Big Lebowski
Ricky Martin cucks will forever seethe at this frame, it completely destroyed their beliefs.
Nihilism without biological context is the problem. We're still animals. This is why Hedonism is also moronic, because access to things like drugs or fattening foods is simply abusing natural mechanisms meant to incentive risk-reward from a survival standpoint.
If you're a rat, you want to live like a rat. You don't live like a rat because rat god tells you too and you don't want to be a rat with an electrode in his brain that stimulates dopamine release on push so that you spend your life pressing a button until near starvation.
exactly. I would forward that the proper end point of Nihilism is biological essentialism. The lifestyle that reflects that is more akin to what fascist propaganda lionizes, rather than pleasure seeking neckbeards who use nihilism as an excuse for letting themselves go.
Most nihilists lay in on the hedonist escapism because there’s nothing else going on for them or anyone right now. The US is beyond fricked, only literally hanging basically every current politician would give any sort of real hope for a real future for anyone. Of course they know that, and know that’s the main weakpoint of the current corporate run hellscape, and that’s why they’re acting like the self-guided tour was the worst thing since 9/11
>6 million sects of Christianity who all think the other is going to hell
>can't even agree on the meaning of Christ's sermons
>will outright ignore biblical laws arguing that the omniscient creator of existence changed his mind for some reason
>will ramble on philosophical copes for why certain sins are excusable for [reason]
>most religious people live materialistic, hedon lifestyles, only not committing the son's that have direct legal consequences in real life
DUDE GOD IS THE FOUNDATION OF MORALITY
I think it’s only the schizophrenics who really try to claim there’s no morality or meaning without god.
Oldgay as frick
>exactly. I would forward that the proper end point of Nihilism is biological essentialism. The lifestyle that reflects that is more akin to what fascist propaganda lionizes, rather than pleasure seeking neckbeards who use nihilism as an excuse for letting themselves go.
It always makes those gays seethe
Nietzsche already BTFO nihilism but underage redditors are top stupid to bother reading the material they worship
>underage redditors
Like the Oneygays gays watching cartoons with le gross faces
Well from what I see on Cinemaphile every day the most vocal opposers of nihilism somehow end up being the most convincing argument for it.
>"There's no one more obsessed with God than atheists." - Norm
Well it is an interesting subject. Maybe exactly because the outside observer's viewpoint? Like how ornithologist researches birds who themselves are indifferent for hows and whys.
Bro just create your own meaning
Edgy satanic, techno-fetishistic atheist redditor-science masturbators that do not have sex and/or babies with women.
They believe in LGBTQ rights and “civil contracts”.
Frickin stupid butthole idiots if you ask me. God is a shield to protect from all that ugly wrongness
>doesn't go to church and hasn't read the Bible
CHRIST
>condemns masturbation and pornography on Cinemaphile
IS
>jerks off to traps and mother/son incest while God watches
KING!
i wish i had the courage to kill myself
>NIHLUSHM ISNT SOME DEGENERATE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT MADE BY NIETSCHE TO EXPOSE THE FOLLY OF ABANDONING THE PATH OF GOD AND GOOD AND SELF RELIANCE AND REALIZATION!
>"ok, wojak."
>N-NOO! YOU ARE NOT LISTENING P-PROPERLY! IT'S ACTUALLY A COMPLICATED ANTI-PHILOSOPHY, A FORM OF ULTIMATE SKEPTICISM. WE ARE LIMITED BEINGS IN A LIMITED REALITY, A REALITY WITH WHICH IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ENGAGE WITH- OR KNOW OF ANY HIGHER PURPOSE
>"it's ok that you cried, wojak."
>R--REEEEEEEEEEEE THATS BECAUSE MY BRAIN IS A TRASH BIO COMPUTER DONT YOU GET IT?!! ITS NOT COUNTEE EVIDENCE ITS JUST BECAUSE IM IMPERFECT! ALSO IT DOESNT MATTER, ANY WAY I REACT IS EQUALLY VALID SINCE THERE IS NO MEANING! DESPITE THERE BEING A CONSISTENT PATTERN BECAUSE THAT *STILL* DOESNT MEAN THE SOUL EXISTS OR ANY OF THAT BULLSHIT
>"ok, wojak, take care now"
>DUDE, what if the racist, trump voting, incel, basement dwelling, redneck, nazi loving, trigger happy gun owning, boot licking, product consuming, pedo cartoon watching mouthbreather IS THE MORAL, CHRISTIAN GOOD GUY?
>>DUDE, what if the racist, trump voting, incel, basement dwelling, redneck, nazi loving, trigger happy gun owning, boot licking, product consuming, pedo cartoon watching mouthbreather IS THE MORAL, CHRISTIAN GOOD GUY?
Get lost moron
he's right though...
Nihilism was never meant to be taken seriously ever. Like ever. It's utterly moronic. It doesn't even make sense.
"I believe in not believing anything"
That is pure circular logic. That's purpose. You can't believe in not believing anything beause you believe in not believing. Just derp
Wow you really took apart the argument no one was saying
I'm pretty that's the argument that was and being had.
You by nature have to believe in something. You don't have a choice.
Nihilism and all it's "moral relativity" bullshit is circular failed logic.
i hate life
If there really is a deity, it definitely isn't as presented in mainstream religion (a.k.a. a personal God).
To project the universe and existence itself into the arbitrary perspective of some recent primate species is really immeasurable levels of cope.
Praying, mystifying and personifying God, as is done in most religions, is just as mad as it would be to pray to gravity or saying that the laws of thermodynamics loves you and wants your electrical signals to fire in a specific way because reasons.
Religion is escapism.
*tips fedora*
I would tip back but i'm not exactly an atheist, as I just don't believe in personal deities (like Yahweh, Zeus, and co.)
sigh...
yeah because the universe doesn't care..
because people aren't part of the universe..
*tips fedora*
>because people aren't part of the universe..
I don't even know what christschizo canned argument this is supposed to be invoking. Who the frick says people aren't part of the universe?
Who flicks the button on the electric chairs?
Do people have free will or not?
What else has free will after that?
Either everything has some level of free will or nothing does.
So be a nihilist lol which is completely moronic or realize.. well everything is alive at some level. Go nuts. It's not complex.
>he ACTUALLY thinks nihilism is a valid philosophical position
HOLY UNDERAGE
So because I don't want to die means life has inherent value?
why can't i just die
everything is shit
if there's a god why haven't i gotten my dinck suncked yet?
>YOU DONT NEED GOD TO BE MORAL
>YEAH SO WHAT MY MORALS JUST SO HAPPEN TO ALIGN EXACTLY WITH SOCIETAL NORMS HEAVILY BASED OFF RELIGIOUS VALUES AND CUSTOMS
>I ALSO HATE EVERYTHNG AND I WANT TO DIE
nihilism is pathetic
hate life
literally just post the mickey mouse pic and move on
>dude the chemicals are convincing you they’re chemicals! You need to fight the chemicals or die!!
schizo bullshit
Someone post the troony acceptance graph amongst the religious and atheistic to shut these gays up
I don't know which anon in here never was taught the Lucretius Curve or the Free Will-Order requirement for the universe to exist but his education is just fricking terrible and he needs to go back to school.
This just insanely bad. There has to be enough order for free will exist but enough free will for the universe to exist. It's why we can predict things 99.9999% of the time but not 100% or 0%. It's why Pi repeats, it's why hawking radiation happens, it's just amazing how bad his education is.
That's all I got. I'm heading out.