>kills off Hicks and Newt in the most shitty way possible, ruining the entire ending of Aliens and Ripley's arc with her coming to terms with losing her daughter and starting her life anew after a trauma
>setting is the most depressing place possible, a shitty isolated prison filled with bald rapists and murderers
>Ripley killing herself is probably the shittiest ending for her character since she has nothing to live for anyway for the entire movie
Just what the frick where they thinking?
>kills off Hicks and Newt in the most shitty way possible, ruining the entire ending of Aliens and Ripley's arc with her coming to terms with losing her daughter and starting her life anew after a trauma
Nobody cares about a fricking annoying kid or character arcs in an Alien movie.
>Nobody cares
People clearly did since Alien 3 got out, moron
They had the wrong priorities. The only thing that matters in an Alien movie is Ripley confronting the aliens.
the only thing that matters in an Alien movie is the Aliens and people dying by the Aliens due to their hubris. Ripley was meant to die in the first and the movie and franchise would have been better for it I reckon.
>Ripley was meant to die in the first and the movie and franchise would have been better for it I reckon.
Shut the frick up, Ridley. Your ideas aged like shit
No, Hicks was a very popular character and killing him pretty much offscreen with 0 lines was moronic. In the 90s they still didn't know how to build franchises and sequels were looked down on as cash grabs with diminishing returns.
No one cares, moron
Cope
My guess is that having Michael Biehn as love interest for the strong female protagonist was too similar to Terminator so they dropped it.
Nope.
Even though Aliens was a huge hit, Fox came to the opinion the Xenomorph was the star of the franchise not Ripley and Alien 3 was written with Beihn in the main role since he would be a lot cheaper to hire than Weaver, who's star had grown considerably thanks to Aliens and Working Girl.
But you also had studio executives who HATED Aliens and demanded Alien 3 revert back to the formula of one Alien in an isolated setting and wanted all traces of Aliens wiped out. That side ultimately won and Hicks and Newt were ordered killed off, which pissed off Weaver who then in exchange for coming back as Ripley, demanded her character be killed off.
Those damn executives needed to be shot down.
Never heard this. What fricking idiots. This has to be one of the dumbed decisions I've heard of. I cannot imagine being an executive at Fox and failing to see what we had in Aliens.
Walter Hill was one of the producers and surprisingly made very shit decisions despite being a director of pretty decent films.
the most fricked up thing is that this follow up to aliens had been in development hell basically since 1986 and after wasting millions of dollars, this is the best thing they could come up with
The Vincent Ward script and the script from William Gibson both kicked ass, what we saw from Twohy and what got put on film was definitely not the best they came up with.
They got stuck on the idea "we NEED Ripley in EVERY movie" somehow. Really stupid when they do this since it just leads to ever worse stories contriving ways to make them fight the bad guys over and over until the audience finally yells no more. I'm glad they never did it with Arnold and Predator.
the kid was annoying and I was quite pleased to find out she died in Alien 3
What is this AI shit? everyone knows Alien 3 doesn't exist.
The whole movie is a meditation on death. Characters die all over the place, in radically different ways. The audience is asked to reflect on HOW these characters died. Some go silently in sleep, some go screaming, some go fighting, and some embrace death and turn it into a final victory. It's a good, if flawed, movie.
>prison planet
>no guns
>only two wardens agains 2-3 dozen prisoners
Which is addressed in the film. If the prisoners kill the 'guards' (really just admin, the prisoners have free reign of the place) the supply ships would just stop coming and they all starve to death. It's also barely still operating, it's a few dozen weirdos who asked to stay behind when the rest left and were granted permission by the company to do so. When it was operating at capacity with thousands of prisoners and many more guards they were likely armed.
Makes me wonder why the left a terraformed planet to a bunch of prisoners. The place looked better than LV-426.
They're keeping the refinery running. It's not in full operation but hasn't be decomissioned either; presumably it's cheaper to leave 3 dudes and a bunch of prisoners there than it would cost to restart it later after a full shutdown.
They didn't exactly give a shit about making it consistent with the rest of the established universe nor world building. They fricking made it have a magical alien eggs appear out of nothing and be hidden in a corner no one would find them just to justify the movie even happening.
adulthood is realising ressurection is much better
it's total shit too, mr. meme poster
Gay sex with Hicks
>alien 3 > aliens
aliens is the capeshit of its time
>Ripley killing herself is probably the shittiest ending for her character since she has nothing to live for anyway for the entire movie
Wrong. In taking her own life, she:
1) Goes out on her own terms, a rarity when it comes to alien encounters
2) Destroys the species
3) Beats The Company - the real villains of the trilogy
This is why I'm not big on Resurrection. It shits all over Ripley's sacrifice by bringing her, the aliens, and the company (in a different form) back.
Alien 3 is a good movie when younread the premises and watch the scenes separatedly. It's an embarrasing mess when you watch it fully. Starting already with the opening scene
Fincher had great ideas overall, but he fricked massively in the execution
Bait. Fincher never wanted to shoot this script. It took forever to lock the script down. There had been several completely different drafts by the time Fincher was brought on.
Fincher thought the most recent draft (which was written by producers Hill/Giler) was shit so he sent it to his assistant's husband who was a writer. The writer thought it was terrible and wrote a memo to Fincher where he called Hill/Giler hacks and included some ideas to improve the script. Fincher showed this memo to the line producer, who agreed with him. Over the next month the writer met with Fincher in secret and rewrote the script, working from leaks provided by his wife.
Fincher snuck the writer into the UK and the two got the new script approved by the studio to everyone's relief -- then the line producer was fired for an unrelated reason and his pay withheld, so in retaliation, that line producer sent the writer's memo to everyone including Hill/Giler. The new script was shredded despite the studio's approval and Hill/Giler told Fincher he would either shoot their script or nothing at all. Their leverage was Sigourney Weaver. She'd worked with them on the previous Alien films and without them, she would not have stayed. So Hill/Giler essentially had both Fincher and the rest of the studio by the balls.
Fincher accepted and shot their crappy script (a hellish shoot by the way, nagging phone calls day and night from the studio) and when the movie turned out the way it did, Fincher got the brunt of the criticism for it.
The assembly cut of Alien 3 is better than the theatrical and fills in some holes in the characters' motivations, but it's still not the script Fincher wanted to shoot. That's why he's disowned the film and there's no "director's cut".
Fincher is a homosexual.
Everyone cared, moron.
>muh Newt and muh Hicks
you people have been seething about this for 40 years
im a fan of Bill Paxton too but theres over 2 hours of good movie worth watching that isn’t about muh Newt or muh Hicks.
because Alien 3 ruined the series for 40 years when there could have been many more actually good Alien movies instead
Doubtful when you look at every other long running series of movies. We would be up to Alien 8 by the 90s and going oh please God let this be the last one.
>kills off Hicks and Newt in the most shitty way possible, ruining the entire ending of Aliens
I don't like this movie but this is one of the dumbest criticisms of it.
Ripley shouldn't have come back, thats the real issue. How many times is this woman just going to coincidentally run into the alien? Its not like she would be actively seeking it out.
I really don't give a frick about Ripley.
Killing off hicks and newt was the best thing about it.
Alien>Alien3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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I have no problem with anything you mentioned.
It had potential, and the first half is pretty good. Completely goes to shit after Charles Dance dies.
>Completely goes to shit after Charles Dance dies.
Wrong
It was based and is making moronic boomers seethe to this day.
The Alien universe is bleak and brutal, it absolutely fits the theme.
Aliens was the worst film in the franchise. Fincher was right to kill of Cameron slop and reset to horror depression kino instead of dumbass action sequences for normies.
He wanted it to feel bleak and hopeless.
Fortunately, it isn't canon.
>movie is called alien cubed
>there's no cube of aliens
great
irredeemable people in irredeemable world redeemed by fight against abstract "pure evil" entity when incarnation of audience/director cinematic ritual falls to "earth," or in the sense of fiction the pseudo-reality of film. ripley ulitmately sacrificed and miraculously saved for next movie because it's about the fact that it's a movie, ultimately hybridised with the alien in order to "own it" as it has no real power outside of "creator-god," or director/audience.
The brilliance of Prometheus was to then give the engineers the "pseudo-power," ultimately ending in folly because the film begins and ends with elisabeth, who is the christ.
>fight against abstract "pure evil" entity
A fight against their own sins made manifest, surely. Men guilty of rape and murder facing the physical manifestation of both.
Every alien 3 apologist deserves a gas chamber.
I liked it but frankly, we should have gotten bolder and more horror driven. With the idea of Newt's alien impregnating a sleeping ripley and making her pregnant with a hybrid queen. And the the whole monks instead of prisoners.
I love Paul McGann as a fricked up little guy. I love how awful Ripley looks, autopsying her surrogate daughter with the most bloodshot eye you've ever seen. I love how fricked Bishop's ear is for the entire final confrontation. I love how every single surface in the entire prison is disgusting in entirely different ways, every flavour of grime, rust and damp you could want getting a showing.
Horrible film. Best in the series by a mile. Just wish Pete Postlethwaite had more to do, he's wasted in that role.
Resurrection was way better. I feel like it redeemed 3 a bit.
>kills off Hicks and Newt in the most shitty way possible, ruining the entire ending of Aliens
Pic related is me thanking David Fincher in person, lmfao.
Fincher hates Alien 3 because he's still butthurt about studio interference and production drama, film is good though
The only memorable part of it is before it even begins.
It's extremely impressive how the terrible compositing makes the entirely practical alien look like bad CGI.
>like bad CGI
>like
It IS bad CGI
Anon, when people say "CGI" they are usually talking about 3D modeled and animated shots. What we're talking about here is entirely practical elements that were 2D-composited together.
>wahhh it's slightly different to my favourite heckin space marine action movie
The Assembly Cut is a fantastic movie. Judge it by its own merits. Stop comparing everything.
Frick off, redditor. Aliens ruined the alien when it turned it into a bug. Every other Alien film is better.
Crazy, it's like somebody thought Alien was a horror franchise with rape overtones not some action-adventure shoot em up
Are you receiving a bonus for this?
The ghost of Stockton Rush has ordered me to destroy James Cameron.
Kek I stand by it, good riddance to Newt and Hicks
off Hicks and Newt in the most shitty way possible, ruining the entire ending of Aliens and Ripley's arc with her coming to terms with losing her daughter and starting her life anew after a trauma
Did people actually like Newt? She killed the movie's tension by evading the alien better than the marines and the settlers of Hadley's Hope and her silly ass dialogue.
They should have added an extra 20 minutes of those Weyland Yutani commandos and scientists getting destroyed by the dog alien.
Then have Bishop shoot the alien himself as a last resort then have Ripley commit sudoku to prevent a queen from appearing.
Aliens > Alien
The rest never happened
>muh hix noot
newt actress never acted after aliens and hicks actor wanted crazy money to return. not really the studio's fault, it was either kill them off or recast them, which people would've cried about even more.
Alien 3 has some the best dialogue in the franchise by far
everything after aliens is devoid of creativity since they never tried to expand or do anything new with the universe, they always sought to emulate the first two movies