>why don't they just make a copy that is alive, without destroying your actual self, and then send the doppleganger on away missions to deal with shit?
Literally happened to Riker, problem was, you have no control over the doppleganger, and legit canon that other Riker eventually sided with some rebels and used it's face and dna credentials to steal a ship
Imagine dying and a copy of you goes on living your life. And every single person are you is a copy, with the original long dead. And no one even knows it.
Anyone who fears Roko's Basilisk is a massive loser nerd. The AI would only be torturing a copy of me. It would never be able to torture me because I would already be dead.
Reddit's Basedkalis is the dumbest shit I've ever heard
It's literally just hell for computer nerds that secretly need to believe in a higher power, and the singularity is heaven
>Roko's Basilisk
this is the most forced coining of a term ever. its literally just "what if computer evil" but made out to sound like some complex theoretical scenario
We go over this every time one of you 10 year olds watch the show.
It doesn't. It transmits you via a particle stream. They have that whole fricking tng episode where Barkley is in the particle stream, conscious and sees creatures as he is teleporting.
There is an episode where the data in the transporter pattern buffer is dispersed into the holosuites. Because it's data -- not a person.
We all watched the show Black person - you're just the homosexual dumb enough to drink the fricking kool aid because they said it was fine.
The shit fricking kills you and turns you into play dough, that it then roughly re-forms your image and plugs its last record of your personality in there.
>You're just the homosexual dumb enough to pay attention
Your headcanon has been BTFO by canon. Canonically, there is no loss of consciousness. Canonically you can move around while being transported and drag things out of the transporter realm.
I guess transporting is more like slingshotting someone to the desired place through some kind of transporter realm.
>have a belief that transporter kills me and replaces me with a copy >get transported >the copy of me inherits this belief >this copy of me is now instantly different in a fundamental psychological way from the me that died in the transporter, as it believes the real me to be dead and itself to be a copy
wrong, brain damage is serious because neurons are replaced in a manner that is as to their original configuration as possible, meaning damaged neurons are replaced by new neurons similarly damaged.
Otherwise you would slowly forget everything every few years.
>dematerializes you >stores yout energy signature in it's buffer >transmits signature through wormhole >this is because matter cant travel in wormholes >other gate materializes based on energy signature it receives
thr only reason why i think this doesn't kill your real self is because souls are canon in stargate but yout body is still a perfect duplicate.
dumb meme perpetuated by people who never watched the show.
The canon functionality is it converts matter to energy (read: matter is already energy condensed to a low vibration), holds your "pattern" as energy, and then allows your energy's vibration to slow back down into matter at the destination point.
This is why Hyperion Farcaster portals are so awesome. They’re just a door you step through, you can be on both sides at the same time, they literally make two faraway places contiguous with each other
>he didn't read the later books
They're actually identical teleporters where a copy if your brain is created and jacked into a galactic supercluster to run the techno corp AIs every time you pass through one.
there is some kind of space "inside" the farcaster but from outside it appears as a doorway, that's why they are able to use farcasters to run cables and other infrastructure; if the threshold was destructive or discrete that wouldn't work
>that one episode where the quirky admiral or whatever wouldnt ride the transporter and everyone had to wait long time for him to take a shuttle >gets in an emergency and has to be transported
all it takes is once
This is why every character acts robotic and seems to not have a soul, they've all lost their souls to the transporters they lean so heavily on for convenience.
Don't start this shit for the umpeteenth time. We've seen people talk and move while being transported, at both ends of the transport. We've seen them act in a conscious fashion while dematerialized. There is a continuity of consciousness, which means it isn't a murder machine.
The simple solution for the negatives of the "teleporter condundrum" is to break the zero-sum game.
If the lore dictates that humanity had discovered exactly what configuration of cells and signals in the brain were responsible for an individual's consciousness, it can go on to say that this was proven by experiments with artificial copies/clones of people - wherein the subject was conscious of both bodies' experiences and controlled both simultaneously (like overlapping visual input, and the experience of one video game controller plugged into two ports) until either the copy or the original was destroyed.
By allowing the possibility of one consciousness to occupy two (or more) bodies simultaneously, then you open up the idea that when you get "copied and deleted" in a sci-fi "transporter", then the "you" that comes out the other side is, still, in fact, you (and you have not ceased to exist, only your old body was destroyed).
It's a simple solution, and I'm so sick of optimistic/utopian sci-fi writers just hand-waving the problem like >It's fine, the clone of you doesn't know it's a clone, it's literally (just like) you! The last thing you ever experience being stepping into a column of light before dying at a young age, with your last notion being that after this moment a double of you will go on as if nothing happened and like you hadn't died at all and nobody will acknowledge your original life or death, only the life and death of the idea of you that you won't even get to see or experience after this moment... is totally rad and cool! The future is going to be awesome! I mean, when you think about it, us humans are really the real problem anywa-
no, shut the frick up with that shit, write better utopian sci-fi that doesn't constantly lead towards the inevitable forced extinction of humanity.
If I can move a virtual machine running live from one host to another without needing to turn it off and the end user don't even notice any hiccup yes, you can transfer the consciousness from one place to another given the proper technology is advanced enough
It doesn't deatomize but rather decouples the molecular bonds by sending the subject through subspace the remeterializes at specific point in space those bonds reestablish via patern buffer.
The clone paradox:
If the transporter creates a perfect clone of you, but the moment it try to disintegrate your atoms killing you instantly, the device stops working and doesn't do its job & you're there like WTF did this shit broke again?. the other clone in the other place would be YOU? Would you have felt like you were "traveling" to the other location or would you (your clone) have just walked out like everything went smoothly and with no problems? or would it be a totally different entity?
Its always a different entity if were going with clone transporters logic. It would have a brain with your memories copied, but its actually literally 0 seconds old.
what I've never seen explained by the transporter murders you proponents is how that applies to vulcans. their katras function as a soul so either you endow the transporter with the ability to duplicate a person's soul or it negates this whole argument.
I wish
I bet you get a tingle in your balls right before it goes
That's elevators that do that.
it's fine because it creates a new copy of you that is alive
why don't they just make a copy that is alive, without destroying your actual self, and then send the doppleganger on away missions to deal with shit?
the starfleet is so goddamn dumb despite all the technology available to them
Because then you don't get to go on hecking awesome adventures
But it's not you, it's your survivor clone thar adventures
>why don't they just make a copy that is alive, without destroying your actual self, and then send the doppleganger on away missions to deal with shit?
Literally happened to Riker, problem was, you have no control over the doppleganger, and legit canon that other Riker eventually sided with some rebels and used it's face and dna credentials to steal a ship
oh well sign me up then
moronS IT CONVERTS MATTER INTO ENERGY DO U gayS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT STAR TREK
Okay, but the conversion kills you.
I'm not a frickin' nerd so no.
That's all fine and well for everyone else in the galaxy and your copy. You're still fricking dead though.
Imagine dying and a copy of you goes on living your life. And every single person are you is a copy, with the original long dead. And no one even knows it.
This is the future Roddenberry envisioned.
this is why the other series suck, TOS is a horror show about the dangers of space exploration
epic TIL fellow redditers, haven't heard that one 10 million times
seething TNG homosexual, go suck gay dicks gay boy
literally what happens when you go to sleep
Anyone who fears Roko's Basilisk is a massive loser nerd. The AI would only be torturing a copy of me. It would never be able to torture me because I would already be dead.
Reddit's Basedkalis is the dumbest shit I've ever heard
It's literally just hell for computer nerds that secretly need to believe in a higher power, and the singularity is heaven
>Roko's Basilisk
this is the most forced coining of a term ever. its literally just "what if computer evil" but made out to sound like some complex theoretical scenario
We go over this every time one of you 10 year olds watch the show.
It doesn't. It transmits you via a particle stream. They have that whole fricking tng episode where Barkley is in the particle stream, conscious and sees creatures as he is teleporting.
Riker gets duplicated in an episode.
Riker has a transporter duplicate-twin
Pulaski gets de-aged through the transporter
There is an episode where the data in the transporter pattern buffer is dispersed into the holosuites. Because it's data -- not a person.
We all watched the show Black person - you're just the homosexual dumb enough to drink the fricking kool aid because they said it was fine.
The shit fricking kills you and turns you into play dough, that it then roughly re-forms your image and plugs its last record of your personality in there.
>You're just the homosexual dumb enough to pay attention
Your headcanon has been BTFO by canon. Canonically, there is no loss of consciousness. Canonically you can move around while being transported and drag things out of the transporter realm.
I guess transporting is more like slingshotting someone to the desired place through some kind of transporter realm.
E X P L A I N T H E B U F F E R S L I N G S H O T F A G
The buffer is essentially the slingshot itself. The person is loaded up and then gets shot over to their destination.
>kills you
Wrong. It teleports your soul which cant be copied. Checkmate.
Not so fast hotshot.
What about Tom Riker - Will's teleportation clone?
Plothole
Twin souls. Or if they went by TOS rules one would be pussy nice guy and the other hyper evil frick beast.
>have a belief that transporter kills me and replaces me with a copy
>get transported
>the copy of me inherits this belief
>this copy of me is now instantly different in a fundamental psychological way from the me that died in the transporter, as it believes the real me to be dead and itself to be a copy
do you think you're the same atoms/cells/whatever that you were 10 years ago? all those things were slowly dying and replacing themselves
anon you do actually keep your brain cells for life, not every last cell gets replaced
This is why brain damage is so serious. Those cells never grow back.
wrong, brain damage is serious because neurons are replaced in a manner that is as to their original configuration as possible, meaning damaged neurons are replaced by new neurons similarly damaged.
Otherwise you would slowly forget everything every few years.
This is a myth. Cell regeneration is global.
This is a myth. Cell regeneration is local.
Regenerate Local
>kills me and creates a copy of me so my mother won't get sad
beam me aboard
Never understood this paradox. In a Star Trek future they definitely worked out the bugs.
>dematerializes you
>stores yout energy signature in it's buffer
>transmits signature through wormhole
>this is because matter cant travel in wormholes
>other gate materializes based on energy signature it receives
thr only reason why i think this doesn't kill your real self is because souls are canon in stargate but yout body is still a perfect duplicate.
how are souls canon?
>he doesnt know
>because souls are canon in stargate
Isn’t the biblical god and heaven canon in Stargate but he and his angels are good Cthulhu monsters?
And yet also created tuvik
Tuvix should never have been murdered. I love Janeaway, but she has to hold the L on this one. There's always a way.
dumb meme perpetuated by people who never watched the show.
The canon functionality is it converts matter to energy (read: matter is already energy condensed to a low vibration), holds your "pattern" as energy, and then allows your energy's vibration to slow back down into matter at the destination point.
No, this is never contradicted.
This is why Hyperion Farcaster portals are so awesome. They’re just a door you step through, you can be on both sides at the same time, they literally make two faraway places contiguous with each other
Isn't this how literally every wormhole works?
>he didn't read the later books
They're actually identical teleporters where a copy if your brain is created and jacked into a galactic supercluster to run the techno corp AIs every time you pass through one.
there is some kind of space "inside" the farcaster but from outside it appears as a doorway, that's why they are able to use farcasters to run cables and other infrastructure; if the threshold was destructive or discrete that wouldn't work
Just win the coinflip bro
>that one episode where the quirky admiral or whatever wouldnt ride the transporter and everyone had to wait long time for him to take a shuttle
>gets in an emergency and has to be transported
all it takes is once
>we need to kill you sir, it's an emergency
that was mccoy and he'd been transported tons of times before that.
Souls canonically exist in Star Trek. The "transporters kill you" shit is objectively wrong.
transporters create and destroy souls, the first law of thermodynamics only applies to matter and energy which souls arent made of
This or a Stargate would be a hell of a way to perform euthanasia.
>step in
>get dematerialized
>don't get materialized
But does your immortal soul go to Heaven? And you get to watch your copy keep on living your life?
yes, assuming you were merited entrance to heaven, which is unlikely for the average person in the star trek universe
we do five warcrimes before breakfast in Starfleet.
It leaves a soulless body to wander the world in despair.
Souls don't exist, and you're an idiot if you believe they do.
Souls literally exist in Star Trek.
Prove it
Burden of proof, christcuck. If you make a claim, you have to back it up. Whatever can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
You claimed it doesn't though.
How can there be an idiot to believe if there is no soul? It would just be a bunch of organic functions existing. Would you call a rock an idiot?
does this mean that every time the power rangers teleported from their base, they were killed?
Only their careers
sensible chuckle
You're the same kind of moron who got confused by the coin toss shit in Soma.
Is this meant to prove something? For a clone with your memories the transition would appear seamless too.
>Doesn't just bend space-time, thus avoiding the issue of "does it kill you?"
Amateurs.
This is why every character acts robotic and seems to not have a soul, they've all lost their souls to the transporters they lean so heavily on for convenience.
Yeah BUT SCIENCE!(can be used to just insta clone army where/when ever or just yeeting into space/solid)
we do all only live for a "waking" instant though as far as control, some preparatory capacity but that's it
Don't start this shit for the umpeteenth time. We've seen people talk and move while being transported, at both ends of the transport. We've seen them act in a conscious fashion while dematerialized. There is a continuity of consciousness, which means it isn't a murder machine.
The simple solution for the negatives of the "teleporter condundrum" is to break the zero-sum game.
If the lore dictates that humanity had discovered exactly what configuration of cells and signals in the brain were responsible for an individual's consciousness, it can go on to say that this was proven by experiments with artificial copies/clones of people - wherein the subject was conscious of both bodies' experiences and controlled both simultaneously (like overlapping visual input, and the experience of one video game controller plugged into two ports) until either the copy or the original was destroyed.
By allowing the possibility of one consciousness to occupy two (or more) bodies simultaneously, then you open up the idea that when you get "copied and deleted" in a sci-fi "transporter", then the "you" that comes out the other side is, still, in fact, you (and you have not ceased to exist, only your old body was destroyed).
It's a simple solution, and I'm so sick of optimistic/utopian sci-fi writers just hand-waving the problem like
>It's fine, the clone of you doesn't know it's a clone, it's literally (just like) you! The last thing you ever experience being stepping into a column of light before dying at a young age, with your last notion being that after this moment a double of you will go on as if nothing happened and like you hadn't died at all and nobody will acknowledge your original life or death, only the life and death of the idea of you that you won't even get to see or experience after this moment... is totally rad and cool! The future is going to be awesome! I mean, when you think about it, us humans are really the real problem anywa-
no, shut the frick up with that shit, write better utopian sci-fi that doesn't constantly lead towards the inevitable forced extinction of humanity.
>kills you
inb4 some contrarian pseudointellectual homosexual claims that there was no machine
kino
>kills you and makes your clone watch
you
well then, beam me up scotty
If I can move a virtual machine running live from one host to another without needing to turn it off and the end user don't even notice any hiccup yes, you can transfer the consciousness from one place to another given the proper technology is advanced enough
that's a problem for the "Me" that appears on the ohter side.
>X movie/show that isnt horror is ACTUALLY HORROR because
shut up and have a nice day
It doesn't deatomize but rather decouples the molecular bonds by sending the subject through subspace the remeterializes at specific point in space those bonds reestablish via patern buffer.
so doing this kills you but going to sleep doesn't? You literally die every night, prove me wrong
>so doing this kills you but going to sleep doesn't?
how do you even come to this conclusion?
The clone paradox:
If the transporter creates a perfect clone of you, but the moment it try to disintegrate your atoms killing you instantly, the device stops working and doesn't do its job & you're there like WTF did this shit broke again?. the other clone in the other place would be YOU? Would you have felt like you were "traveling" to the other location or would you (your clone) have just walked out like everything went smoothly and with no problems? or would it be a totally different entity?
Its always a different entity if were going with clone transporters logic. It would have a brain with your memories copied, but its actually literally 0 seconds old.
Could Superman be dematerialized by a transporter?
No, Kryptonian cells are extremely complex to the point that you aren't really able to clone them, so I doubt they would be able to break him down
The Watchtower uses actual teleportation as far as I'm aware
>Your cells die and get replaced over the course of 5-6 years. You effectively die each time during that cycle.
>body of Theseus
not your brain cells
probably
>>Your cells die and get replaced over the course of 5-6 years. You effectively die each time during that cycle.
your overall body still has continuity, even if parts get replaced over time. not the same with the cut from a transporter that vaporizes you
what I've never seen explained by the transporter murders you proponents is how that applies to vulcans. their katras function as a soul so either you endow the transporter with the ability to duplicate a person's soul or it negates this whole argument.
impregnate space elves