Why is Sony so insistent on making these shitty spider-man spin off films no one gives a shit about? Why not just make a 2099 movie instead? It would be disconnected enough from the MCU for it to be it’s own thing but could still be connected enough should they need to use miggy. It would also help them hold onto the rights much longer anyways.
They have the rights to everything spider-man originated (characters that originated in a spider-man story).
So if a character was introduced in an Iron Man comic, but shown in spider-man, it wouldn’t count as owned by Sony. It has to first appear in Spider-Man.
I would also like to add they have even more characters available than you would think. Per the recent contract with Marvel, they now own the film rights to: > All newly created (after 9/15/11) characters and other Creative Elements that first appear in a work that is titled or branded with “Spider-Man” or in which “Spider-Man” is the main protagonist
You have it kinda-sorta backwards. The FF were some of Marvel's first successful characters, ("Marvel's first family"), introduced a year prior to Spiderman, (and kinda survived as well as they did because they were Stan's pet project). So when Spiderman got mega-traction there was a crossover comic where he tries to join the Fantastic Four, (partially to give them some of the reflected Spiderman glory). Which actually wasn't a bad comic and answers an obvious question at least. This classic cover would be the source of your confusion though.
As I recall story is: >Parker figures he can fix his financial woes, get team support, and respectability by going to see Reed and asking to join the FF, since they are so better financed, etc. >Figures he should make a good first impression and demonstrate his qualifications by just getting into the Baxter Building directly >his reputation proceeds him though thanks to Jonah J. Jameson, so Reed thinks he's some kind of supervillain trying to break in for some nefarious purpose >they fight >Parker tries to explain but is repeatedly misunderstood >eg. He mentions getting paid and Reed interprets this as him ONLY being interested in money, not being heroic for the sake of humanity, etc. >Spiderman being a bit of hot-headed teenager and feeling unfairly prejudged and maligned by these sanctimonious arseholes, is like frick this noise and says F the FF.
Echoed in MCU with Tom Holland wanting to join the Avengers, but not.
I remember it now. I had the issue in a collected tpb. This and the issue where he tries to join the avengers is good too. I miss loner Spiderman who doesn't get a long with others. I haven't read comics and years but it seems like he's a loner now because people think he's annoying.
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It's part of the appeal of the character, and something of a Marvel special sauce since. Parker needs to repeatedly get beaten down and that's makes Spiderman all the greater a hero.
Some good 'What If?' comics and alternate universe Spidermans result too. Like there was a 'What If?' where he does succeed in joining the FF if I'm not mistaken, and I always liked the white and black suited rich alternate universe Spiderman who sells his tech in his universe and is more of a Stark type homosexual. Because he has money and uber-tech to help him, he has never failed, so he lacks the guts and fortitude of Parker Prime and basically sucks when he does come up against a challenge he can't handle. He basically never had a moment of truth like the real Peter Parker:
The kinda shit that makes him the 'real' Spiderman.
>Echoed in MCU with Tom Holland wanting to join the Avengers, but not.
it's not echoed at all though, is it? MCU holland has none of the problems comics peter struggled with and used to justify trying to join FF
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One of the reasons 'No Way Home' was so well-received is that he finally started acquiring them, which gives fans of the character a lot of hope for the future of the character instead of him just being Stark's "Spider-boy" sidekick.
11 months ago
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This was the only thing I liked about no way home. Aunt May dying and him moving into a shitty apartment was a decent start. Almost turned it off in the first half. Dr Strange the bumbling wizard chasing 3 kids was painful
11 months ago
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Despite the rather silly premise of fprget-me spells and Dr. Strange being so blase to the point of incompetence, it was a pretty clever way for Spiderman, (and no-less Sony), to exit the MCU, (but not) and reset Parker. Basically you replace him going after Uncle Ben's murderer with less-than-heroic intent with his rage for Green Goblin and you've got the comic origin story all over again.
Probably written backwards until they got to the flimsy premise at the start, like building an upside down pyramid and balancing it on its point, but I find Cumberbatch entertaining enough as Strange, and talented enough to do a semi-convincing job of it, so I can live with all that.
Them leaving their options open with Black person MJ and fatboy is obviously for future contract negotiations if nothing else, (I'd hate to be her agent), but here's hoping for a brighter future for the character that is brighter because it's ironically less bright, and maybe has a hot redhead in it.
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I really think anyone who likes the MCU character isn't a fan of spider-man so much as they're a fanatical consumer of marvel products. MCU spider-man has nothing in common with comics as a character, beyond sharing the powers, name, and surface characteristics. He's like if MCU Tony Stark was an environmentalist who spent his time blowing up weapons plants in his Iron Man suit instead of blowing up terrorists. Sure, it's superficially the same character, but they're actually nothing alike beyond that.
MCU peter was introduced with no problems, unlike comics peter who is defined by a list of problems so long that it's impossible to list them, including an unceasing parade of economic and career problems, interpersonal problems, constant physical problems, whole organizations of criminals dedicated purely to the goal of murdering him, etc.
Comics peter spends his time patrolling for existing problems to solve, while MCU peter spends his time creating problems that didn't exist until he came along, inserting himself into situations unnecessarily and fricking them up, even blowing shit up on his own initiative.
Comics peter is irrationally obsessed with saving everyone, MCU peter stands by and lets randoms die in front of him because of chaotic situations that he himself created. (When he let that mook die on the ferry, I decided I didn't care about the character anymore).
Comics peter bears all his burdens on his own and is terrified of letting anyone in on his secret because it always ends up harming them. MCU peter tells everyone about how cool it is that he's spider-man and enjoys a personal support system the size of a small institution.
Like, the list just goes on forever. You could probably write an essay about just how clearly these are not remotely the same character. Take even just their attitudes with the mask off, comics peter is a regular kind of shy guy, while MCU peter is this ADHD selfie-streaming attention-seeking moron.
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To be fair they were dealing with the fact that the Raimi movies exist, (we need to see Uncle Ben die again about as much as Batman's parents), nightmarish contract negotiations between Sony/MCUgays, (the suits who managed to put that deal together at all are the real heroes to me), and how he'd realistically slot into that universe at such a late stage.
>Why is Sony so insistent on making these shitty spider-man spin off films no one gives a shit about?
Money. They can't use mcu spider man but they have the rights to his villains and movie studios like money and running IPs into the ground
Spider-man's popularity has always been so weird to me. Like I've always found it hard to believe he was Marvel's most popular hero and was on par with Batman and Superman. I always used to say Marvel was filled with B-listers while DC had a couple A-listers and then was filled with C-listers. I'm an F-lister myself :^)
they figured if they shit the place up disney would give them the 5 billion they wanted for the rights to stop them from shitting the place up
but disney ain't buying shiiiiiiiiiiiit
>Kraven in the comics
hunter that has hunted every single bit of wildlife, who regularly takes herbal concoctions he learned about while becoming an insanely talented hunter >Kraven in the movies >scared little b***h that failed to hunt a lion and was infused with a single drop of lion blood which makes him all powerful, who refuses to hunt and is a protector of wildlife and probably spends most of the movie killing poachers
holy shit i mean ive seen some bad adaptions of characters but this might take the cake. he's basically the exact opposite of what the character should be.
He has one good story and that story relies MASSIVELY on SPIDERMAN being a thing in the continuity.
It's not like a villain that came from some characters book that has a dozen great stories and transcends the book he came from, like Dr Doom has. Kraven literally just has Kravens Last Stand and that's it. That's the entirety of the good story arcs the character has been a part of. And that entire story arc revolves around killing and replacing Spider-Man.
it's fricking BONKERS what they're doing with these spider-man villains in a world without spiderman.
That's because Venom transcends his ties to Spider-Man, as dumb as that sounds, and has a legitimately large fan base.
No one gives a frick about characters like Morbius or Kraven. At best someone in the know will tell you they both have one or two good stories revolving around them and that's about it.
>He has one good story.
Which was subsequently ruined by Martel's revolving door afterlife.
Kraven should have remained dead. Same with Norman and Harry.
A man goes through growth to realize his true intentions
I wouldn’t expect non /film/ posters to understand this but it’s called character progression throughout the film. It’s how stories go from good to great. Maybe read a book or go outside once and awhile. I’m sorry this story is too complicated for you to understand
Hunters and environmentalists should be best friends. Teddy Roosevelt started the national park system because he wanted vast swaths of untouched wilderness to hunt. The hippies are the ones that fricked it up, just like they fricked everything else up. God, I hate hippies. And beatniks. Bukowski was a monkey in a suit that everyone just liked to laugh at.
troony writers are terrified of making actual villains because the audience will identify with a troony's idea of a villain over a troony's idea of a hero.
Why is Sony so insistent on making these shitty spider-man spin off films no one gives a shit about? Why not just make a 2099 movie instead? It would be disconnected enough from the MCU for it to be it’s own thing but could still be connected enough should they need to use miggy. It would also help them hold onto the rights much longer anyways.
>making a 2099 movie would be too much effort. they just want to make shitty low budget slop to make some cash to fund more slop
Great idea actually, do they have rights for 99 tho?
They have the rights to everything spider-man originated (characters that originated in a spider-man story).
So if a character was introduced in an Iron Man comic, but shown in spider-man, it wouldn’t count as owned by Sony. It has to first appear in Spider-Man.
I would also like to add they have even more characters available than you would think. Per the recent contract with Marvel, they now own the film rights to:
> All newly created (after 9/15/11) characters and other Creative Elements that first appear in a work that is titled or branded with “Spider-Man” or in which “Spider-Man” is the main protagonist
Probably doesn't count, but didn't the FF debut in a Spiderman comic?
No.
Punisher did though
You have it kinda-sorta backwards. The FF were some of Marvel's first successful characters, ("Marvel's first family"), introduced a year prior to Spiderman, (and kinda survived as well as they did because they were Stan's pet project). So when Spiderman got mega-traction there was a crossover comic where he tries to join the Fantastic Four, (partially to give them some of the reflected Spiderman glory). Which actually wasn't a bad comic and answers an obvious question at least. This classic cover would be the source of your confusion though.
As I recall story is:
>Parker figures he can fix his financial woes, get team support, and respectability by going to see Reed and asking to join the FF, since they are so better financed, etc.
>Figures he should make a good first impression and demonstrate his qualifications by just getting into the Baxter Building directly
>his reputation proceeds him though thanks to Jonah J. Jameson, so Reed thinks he's some kind of supervillain trying to break in for some nefarious purpose
>they fight
>Parker tries to explain but is repeatedly misunderstood
>eg. He mentions getting paid and Reed interprets this as him ONLY being interested in money, not being heroic for the sake of humanity, etc.
>Spiderman being a bit of hot-headed teenager and feeling unfairly prejudged and maligned by these sanctimonious arseholes, is like frick this noise and says F the FF.
Echoed in MCU with Tom Holland wanting to join the Avengers, but not.
I remember it now. I had the issue in a collected tpb. This and the issue where he tries to join the avengers is good too. I miss loner Spiderman who doesn't get a long with others. I haven't read comics and years but it seems like he's a loner now because people think he's annoying.
It's part of the appeal of the character, and something of a Marvel special sauce since. Parker needs to repeatedly get beaten down and that's makes Spiderman all the greater a hero.
Some good 'What If?' comics and alternate universe Spidermans result too. Like there was a 'What If?' where he does succeed in joining the FF if I'm not mistaken, and I always liked the white and black suited rich alternate universe Spiderman who sells his tech in his universe and is more of a Stark type homosexual. Because he has money and uber-tech to help him, he has never failed, so he lacks the guts and fortitude of Parker Prime and basically sucks when he does come up against a challenge he can't handle. He basically never had a moment of truth like the real Peter Parker:
The kinda shit that makes him the 'real' Spiderman.
>Echoed in MCU with Tom Holland wanting to join the Avengers, but not.
it's not echoed at all though, is it? MCU holland has none of the problems comics peter struggled with and used to justify trying to join FF
One of the reasons 'No Way Home' was so well-received is that he finally started acquiring them, which gives fans of the character a lot of hope for the future of the character instead of him just being Stark's "Spider-boy" sidekick.
This was the only thing I liked about no way home. Aunt May dying and him moving into a shitty apartment was a decent start. Almost turned it off in the first half. Dr Strange the bumbling wizard chasing 3 kids was painful
Despite the rather silly premise of fprget-me spells and Dr. Strange being so blase to the point of incompetence, it was a pretty clever way for Spiderman, (and no-less Sony), to exit the MCU, (but not) and reset Parker. Basically you replace him going after Uncle Ben's murderer with less-than-heroic intent with his rage for Green Goblin and you've got the comic origin story all over again.
Probably written backwards until they got to the flimsy premise at the start, like building an upside down pyramid and balancing it on its point, but I find Cumberbatch entertaining enough as Strange, and talented enough to do a semi-convincing job of it, so I can live with all that.
Them leaving their options open with Black person MJ and fatboy is obviously for future contract negotiations if nothing else, (I'd hate to be her agent), but here's hoping for a brighter future for the character that is brighter because it's ironically less bright, and maybe has a hot redhead in it.
I really think anyone who likes the MCU character isn't a fan of spider-man so much as they're a fanatical consumer of marvel products. MCU spider-man has nothing in common with comics as a character, beyond sharing the powers, name, and surface characteristics. He's like if MCU Tony Stark was an environmentalist who spent his time blowing up weapons plants in his Iron Man suit instead of blowing up terrorists. Sure, it's superficially the same character, but they're actually nothing alike beyond that.
MCU peter was introduced with no problems, unlike comics peter who is defined by a list of problems so long that it's impossible to list them, including an unceasing parade of economic and career problems, interpersonal problems, constant physical problems, whole organizations of criminals dedicated purely to the goal of murdering him, etc.
Comics peter spends his time patrolling for existing problems to solve, while MCU peter spends his time creating problems that didn't exist until he came along, inserting himself into situations unnecessarily and fricking them up, even blowing shit up on his own initiative.
Comics peter is irrationally obsessed with saving everyone, MCU peter stands by and lets randoms die in front of him because of chaotic situations that he himself created. (When he let that mook die on the ferry, I decided I didn't care about the character anymore).
Comics peter bears all his burdens on his own and is terrified of letting anyone in on his secret because it always ends up harming them. MCU peter tells everyone about how cool it is that he's spider-man and enjoys a personal support system the size of a small institution.
Like, the list just goes on forever. You could probably write an essay about just how clearly these are not remotely the same character. Take even just their attitudes with the mask off, comics peter is a regular kind of shy guy, while MCU peter is this ADHD selfie-streaming attention-seeking moron.
To be fair they were dealing with the fact that the Raimi movies exist, (we need to see Uncle Ben die again about as much as Batman's parents), nightmarish contract negotiations between Sony/MCUgays, (the suits who managed to put that deal together at all are the real heroes to me), and how he'd realistically slot into that universe at such a late stage.
>Why is Sony so insistent on making these shitty spider-man spin off films no one gives a shit about?
Money. They can't use mcu spider man but they have the rights to his villains and movie studios like money and running IPs into the ground
sony is moronic
it's like WB, if there's a decision to be made, they will make the worst choice
Spider-man's popularity has always been so weird to me. Like I've always found it hard to believe he was Marvel's most popular hero and was on par with Batman and Superman. I always used to say Marvel was filled with B-listers while DC had a couple A-listers and then was filled with C-listers. I'm an F-lister myself :^)
Spiderman is so much more popular than Superman. If people didn't love the Superman emblem so much, the character wouldn't sell shit.
Spider-Man did make a deal with the Devil.
spider-man mogs everyone in popularity
I never understood how anybody could give a shit about Superman or DC in general outside of Batman.
DC has actual Heroes.
Marvel is just Celebs with powers.
>Why not just make a 2099 movie instead?
just hire an anime studio to make a peni parker movie and make bank.
they figured if they shit the place up disney would give them the 5 billion they wanted for the rights to stop them from shitting the place up
but disney ain't buying shiiiiiiiiiiiit
>Kraven in the comics
hunter that has hunted every single bit of wildlife, who regularly takes herbal concoctions he learned about while becoming an insanely talented hunter
>Kraven in the movies
>scared little b***h that failed to hunt a lion and was infused with a single drop of lion blood which makes him all powerful, who refuses to hunt and is a protector of wildlife and probably spends most of the movie killing poachers
holy shit i mean ive seen some bad adaptions of characters but this might take the cake. he's basically the exact opposite of what the character should be.
they Catwoman 2004'd him
Frickin hell you're right.
Probably be a diaper furgay by the time they're done with him.
He could easily be both, master huntsman that kills ivory poachers but hunting is a big nono for limp wristed gays
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His dad seems way closer to the canon Kraven in the movie.
& the kicker is nobody likes Kraven.
He has one good story.
He has one good story and that story relies MASSIVELY on SPIDERMAN being a thing in the continuity.
It's not like a villain that came from some characters book that has a dozen great stories and transcends the book he came from, like Dr Doom has. Kraven literally just has Kravens Last Stand and that's it. That's the entirety of the good story arcs the character has been a part of. And that entire story arc revolves around killing and replacing Spider-Man.
it's fricking BONKERS what they're doing with these spider-man villains in a world without spiderman.
Venom doing well despite no Spiderman gave them a big head.
That's because Venom transcends his ties to Spider-Man, as dumb as that sounds, and has a legitimately large fan base.
No one gives a frick about characters like Morbius or Kraven. At best someone in the know will tell you they both have one or two good stories revolving around them and that's about it.
Grim Hunt was cool, but it was less Kraven and more his psycho family
>He has one good story.
Which was subsequently ruined by Martel's revolving door afterlife.
Kraven should have remained dead. Same with Norman and Harry.
Was it Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro inwhich he was a bullshit sniper boss?
>Early Life
A man goes through growth to realize his true intentions
I wouldn’t expect non /film/ posters to understand this but it’s called character progression throughout the film. It’s how stories go from good to great. Maybe read a book or go outside once and awhile. I’m sorry this story is too complicated for you to understand
Like how She-Hulk started as gender flipped version of her cousin?
Then became the biggest bawd of all of fiction?
Such growth!
>character growth
>he grows from Kravens pussy son to be a pussy adult
Not even the same Kraven
Hunters and environmentalists should be best friends. Teddy Roosevelt started the national park system because he wanted vast swaths of untouched wilderness to hunt. The hippies are the ones that fricked it up, just like they fricked everything else up. God, I hate hippies. And beatniks. Bukowski was a monkey in a suit that everyone just liked to laugh at.
troony Gwen
troony Black Cat
Scrawny MJ
gay Peter
Snowflake Kraven
why people pay to see these Sony shit?
He's gonna make the Lions eat tofu & kale.
WOOOOEEEEOOOOOEEEEEOOOO
gay shit alert!
WOOOOEEEEOOOOOEEEEEOOOO
gay SHIT ALERT!
Sad! They can't even shit up stuff in interesting ways. Soft subversives, many such cases!
>Kraven movie
what's next? A Shocker movie?
Nope, a Madame Web movie 🙂
>Dakota Johnson as Madame Web
>Sydney Sweeney as Spider-Woman
>Isabela Merced as Spider Girl
troony writers are terrified of making actual villains because the audience will identify with a troony's idea of a villain over a troony's idea of a hero.
Is Chameleon going to be referenced in this at all? They are brothers, you know.
Well he was in the trailer in the limo so I’m thinking yes
>Kraven
>Is a pussy
Bravo!
This ought to cancel out Sony's Spiderman gains.
Yes.
00's Marvel was ASS.
Kraven only works with Punisher and Daredevil as plot idea.