Zeurel is an animator's animator. He's a super geek who notices all the tiny things that make great animation great and is able to masterfully implement that sort of microscopic attention to detail in his own work.
Unfortunately it seems that when he watches other animated productions, his attention is so focused on the actual animation that he doesn't notice all of the other aspects that make it great. The writing, the voice acting, the music, the overall mix of those elements...they all play a part in creating a successful whole.
I think he would do well to hire a co-director or production manager who has more of an eye/ear for those non-animated elements. He can still control the overall vision for the project, but he needs someone who sees animated productions more generally and can point out when certain things aren't working, help direct voice recording sessions, oversee music direction, give Gooseworx someone to bounce off of when it comes to final mix, etc.
Or he can stubbornly go down with the ship. I want Monkey Wrench to be successful, but as cool as the concept is and as great as the animation looks, the other aspects of production kind of drag it down.
Stakes. Despite their simplicity, I like the characters and it would only take a few episodes of character development and backstory to make people relate to them more. The show started on a weak note regarding that aspect, but it's not unsalvageable.
If the show had stakes and given me a reason to care about these character's well-being, I'd be more sympathetic to them. As they are now what do they have to lose? Money? Their problems are on-par with every mook, goon, and disposable lackey that the hero kicks in the face and moves past in fiction ever. Either give them a personal reason for being here or make it funnier, so I don't care about personal reasons.
He used to make funny animations and he makes animations for lythero, I'm not sure how the humor in monkey wrench comes out so serviceable. I'd thought there'd be one knee slapper, but it's all feels like jokes I'd see for bits in-between the funny knee slappers, just gags to pass the time.
It’s fine for what it is, I don’t know why everyone here thinks they’re a seasoned critic when it comes to this show. I can’t think of many flaws in the writing for the past 2 episodes besides the main character using spanglish way too often.
You know for a second I thought this when my aunt told me she liked capeshit, but then I remembered that some people just like things to like things and its unironically ok.
>I don’t know why everyone here thinks they’re a seasoned critic when it comes to this show.
Consumers dodge responsibility when it suits them
People always scream for “Muh alternatives” to popular garbage but never turn out for the alternatives, which of course they’ll come up with a million reasons for
There's been plenty of valid criticism of Monkey Wrench since it came out. The last thread was full of it and hit the thread limit.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You’ve failed to mention any actual criticism beyond “it’s lame”. That’s nothing, you may as well not even be posting. Last thread was the same, a bunch of coomers pretending to be critics complaining about vague shit that leads nowhere.
This mental illness is specific to this brand of anons, just some weird freaks with hate boner for Monkey Wrench. In every other indie show there’s actual complaints but here it’s vague ass shit that barely counts as criticism. Almost like its a bunch of failed creators who want to punch down another unpopular work to make themselves feel better. Just sad.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's mainly just HB/HH fans. Same for lackadaisy.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>You’ve failed to mention any actual criticism
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138974589
There's been plenty of it from the last few months, especially in this thread. There's just little point in reiterating the same criticisms over and over again until more content comes out or something changes in the actual show. Don't be surprised seeing shitposts in these threads when there's nothing left to talk about.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I kind of feel like it's all unreasonable really, the show only has 2 episodes out now and MANY shows don't get going well into the middle or late into their 1 season or even second (like Bojack).
I think people really should wait to see more before getting their pitchforks out, episode 3 could very easily be the real beginning of the actual "story" of Monkey Wrench.
...or not, whichever comes first.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Will episode 3 also be when Shrike goes through puberty and his voice changes to a completely different actor?
7 months ago
Anonymous
What would a better voice for him even sound like?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Someone who doesn't sound like a parody of Cheech Marin meets Adam Sandler's Goat character. The fact that the character is supposed to have a mexican accent or speak bits of spanish is fine and an idea that can really make this character unique, but getting a white dude to do a really awful caricature of the aforementioned influences was a bad way to go.
His voice could be less...shouty? Less gruff...maybe a bit smaller. Like, not twerpy, but a bit more smooth. The character is skinny and waify, but he is excitable. His voice should be a little nerdier and maybe more collected when he's not losing it so when he goes off the contrast is funnier. Oddly enough, Lackadaisy does this really well with Freckle. His meek demeanor contrasts well with his slightly unhinged ultra-violence mode. Shrike's voice, on the other hand, is like a white guy's parody of an angry mexican. I think it would work better if his character oscillated between cool calm collected and a little suave to kind of losing it but not in a loud fricking Adam Sandler goat way, but just kind of a bit more unhinged...muttering to himself and getting faster in his speaking so you know there's a storm raging inside, but he's kind of keeping it barely reigned in (until the few moments when he really goes off half wienered). It would make those moments feel more like an event instead of the guy who is always fricking annoying just being more fricking annoying. I don't have a lot of references in my back pocket because acting isn't my thing, but tone-wise maybe like a slightly deeper version of Ignacio on Better Call Saul with more of an accent and slightly more neurotic. Kind of suave and faux confident and tries to act like he has things together, but you can tell he's a ball of nervous energy.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Someone who doesn't sound like a parody of Cheech Marin meets Adam Sandler's Goat character. The fact that the character is supposed to have a mexican accent or speak bits of spanish is fine and an idea that can really make this character unique, but getting a white dude to do a really awful caricature of the aforementioned influences was a bad way to go.
His voice could be less...shouty? Less gruff...maybe a bit smaller. Like, not twerpy, but a bit more smooth. The character is skinny and waify, but he is excitable. His voice should be a little nerdier and maybe more collected when he's not losing it so when he goes off the contrast is funnier. Oddly enough, Lackadaisy does this really well with Freckle. His meek demeanor contrasts well with his slightly unhinged ultra-violence mode. Shrike's voice, on the other hand, is like a white guy's parody of an angry mexican. I think it would work better if his character oscillated between cool calm collected and a little suave to kind of losing it but not in a loud fricking Adam Sandler goat way, but just kind of a bit more unhinged...muttering to himself and getting faster in his speaking so you know there's a storm raging inside, but he's kind of keeping it barely reigned in (until the few moments when he really goes off half wienered). It would make those moments feel more like an event instead of the guy who is always fricking annoying just being more fricking annoying. I don't have a lot of references in my back pocket because acting isn't my thing, but tone-wise maybe like a slightly deeper version of Ignacio on Better Call Saul with more of an accent and slightly more neurotic. Kind of suave and faux confident and tries to act like he has things together, but you can tell he's a ball of nervous energy.
cont.
I'm not an actor or a vocal coach or a director so I lack the expertise to create a voice for a character and lack the vocabulary necessary to describe what I think could work better. That said, I don't think I have to have that sort of background to be able to have the opinion that the current voice just isn't working. I don't have to know how to bake to know that a loaf of bread tastes bad, nor should I be expected to know how it could be fixed in order to be able to have that opinion. As a single consumer, all I can say is that it tastes off. It's up to the baker to check out the loaf and decide whether they want to do anything about that.
It's entirely possible Shrike is exactly how Zeurel wants him and if that's the case, c'est le vie. But I'm far from being the only one who hates the current voice so I think it's at least worth consideration.
It is not fine for what it is, the only thing it has going for it is animation, it is dogshit in every single other aspect. You dont need to be a seasoned critic to see that, thats how bad it is.
Coom material. If zeurel animates fat breasts gainaxing or some shit, coomers like me would watch the episodes all the way through, draw/commission fanart of the coom material, talk about how hot the Monkey Wrench booba character is.
>Make the skinny main character less ugly. >Have a plot and make every episode revolve around it. Not just have a vague reference to something, then have the episode be about something else. >Give the main characters motives that make sense. In episode 1 they had no reason to look after that annoying bird and fight off all those bounty hunters when they could have sold him and made much more money.
Tbf, Vivzie is really just the indie equivalent to John K
They’re a pioneer in their field and a icon of their time who a lot of people still like to clown on for, a good deal of the time, completely justified reasons
Viv isn’t the john k of modern animation at all, what the frick are you smoking?
Nothing she has done is “pioneering” anything in animation. She’s not the first independent cartoon studio. She’s not even the first independent animation studio that went from web publishing to mainstream distribution. The technical qualities of the animation are very standard.
I’ve genuinely seen more people wearing fricking RWBY merch in my town over anybody even hinting that they know viv’s work exists.
As if getting her reputation demolished by the screenshots the lackadaisy crew got of and spread of her wasnt enough
She just keeps losing, whike lacka is winning
NTA but after some drama started where I think Vivzie tried to claim one of Lackadaisy's animators(zebirdbrain) was transphobic over liking a couple of tweets, some screenshots of Vivzie saying actual transphobic stuff started circulating. Many assumed the two were correlated given the timing.
lol @ the haters making shit up again, Vivzie is a huge Lackadaisy supporter, even donated like 5k to their campaign and was basicaly the first name to share it giving them the initial boost they needed. Im not even exagerating when i say that they wouldn't have even achieved their goal let alone surpassed it without Viv's support.
>they wouldn't have even achieved their goal let alone surpassed it without Viv's support.
They made a million in like the first 2 days. Are you disingenuous or just stupid?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah after Viv gave them the spotlight, im not sure why you are being agressive if we are saying the same thing?
>even donated like 5k to their campaign
She did this after getting caught talking shit about Lackadaisy's director. It was an effort to save face.
That's pretty paranoid, she just wants to help an up and comer group of artists.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Monkey Wrench has several critical flaws that anons seem to unanimously agree with.
Anons seem to fail to mention any of them.
troll on
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Viv gave them the spotlight
b***h didnt even link the backerkit and after the lead animator called her out on that and linked it Viv's fans harrassed her until the animator deleted the reply
I just don't really understand creators who seemingly spend an inordinate amount of time shitposting on social media instead of... you know... working? Shouldn't Viv be extremely busy overseeing both Hazbin and Helluva?
She sold off hazbin, that ship is out of her control
>Unless Zeurel befriends a billionaire to fund his show like that Big Mouth guy did.
The lackadaisy crossover is pretty much his attempt at getting there
Should have been in episode 1. You absolutely need a near-human character in those wacky alien space adventure type shows for more people to latch on to.
The lackadaisy pilot is a fully animated 23 minutes. Most of the people who worked on it have been involved in other indie and mainstream productions. Monkey Wrench totals nearly 40 minutes runtime plus Zeurel has made tons of shorts. Most of the Monkey Wrench crew also works professionally in both indie and mainstream animation.
What the frick are you talking about?
because it's mediocre, and in indie terms that means it's great
7 months ago
Anonymous
I've never heard of it before looking at this thread, checked out the current episodes and found it enjoyable. It's well made, and has a good story with good characters. That's all I care about, honestly.
7 months ago
Anonymous
What's mediocre about it?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>painful dialouge and humor >alright mystery plot and world building >boring music >annoying edgy MC
Just not that good
7 months ago
Anonymous
>painful dialogue and humor
Subjective in the Pilot, tone and dialogue massively improve by Ep 2 and beyond due to focus on the mystery plot rather than quirky meta humor. >Annoying edgy MC
Angsty yes, but people find her cute. I don't find her annoying but that's your taste. >Boring music
Literally just wrong, the music is absolutely excellent especially for an Indie webtoon. What are you even talking about? This shit bangs.
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7 months ago
Anonymous
>Boring music
Way to out yourself as having absolutely no fricking taste, Murder Drones' OST is genuinely really good.
..How the frick is the music boring?
oh shit, are we sharing favourite tracks from the MD OST now?
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7 months ago
Anonymous
>Boring music
Way to out yourself as having absolutely no fricking taste, Murder Drones' OST is genuinely really good.
7 months ago
Anonymous
..How the frick is the music boring?
7 months ago
Anonymous
“mediocre” doesn’t automatically mean “bad”, I know misuse of the word has made it a synonym for “bad” but thats not what the word actually means. Middling, median, right in the middle.
its a perfectly fine series but Cinemaphile tends to overhype any competent show and make it sound like some mind-blowing triumph when most of the time they mean “it was good”.
I tend to ignore anything Cinemaphile hypes up because half the time its garbage and the other half its just fine with some issues.
7 months ago
Anonymous
In this case, Murder Drones is actually consistently high quality - not mediocre or middling. Sometimes Cinemaphile praise is genuine.
It really isn't, it's really telling you have to try comparing your failing indie toon to an indie toon that's actually successful.
why is it shilled and treated like the best new Cinemaphile show of the 2020's?
If you're talking about Murder Drones, that's because it actually is one of the best recent cartoons especially in the indie & Youtube animation sphere.
>it actually is one of the best recent cartoons
As if.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You cope with your own failure, as if the indie animation you shill for hasn't decayed and failed you.
But I am already freed, for the machine is immortal.
8 months ago
Anonymous
If you have to make yourself feel better by proclaiming the show you like (which is currently failing as nobody is watching it or supporting it) is better than another show - then just know that you look like a delusional nut when you denounce everyone who likes and supports a well-made, successful indie show as a "shill" while unironically shilling for a show that doesn't have the same amount of people enjoying and watching it. I'm sure everyone else must be wrong, and you must be right. Or you're just coping and just upset a show you don't like is better than Monkey Wrench.
8 months ago
Anonymous
When did i call you a shill?
8 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but I think that was for this guy
why is it shilled and treated like the best new Cinemaphile show of the 2020's?
Because it's actually very good, and has robots I can bust a nut to. So, it's Cinemaphile certified.
>it actually is
interrogators identify qualifying words like "actually" "seriously" and "honestly" as red flags. They indicate that someone is being deceitful and are often added to sentences in an effort to make the statement seem more truthful.
A person who confidently believed this would simply say "that's because it is", not "that's because it *actually* is".
Probably because it's a good, entertaining show. While this isn't.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I've yet to see anyone actually mention what's so terrible about Monkey Wrench exactly, you're just all weirdly vague about it.
Just say you want to frick the robots and frick off
8 months ago
Anonymous
The animation of Monkey Wrench is done extremely well, unfortunately the character designs and general art style are ugly and offputting (especially on the male characterd, most of the female characters are passable or good-looking).
The characters themselves are boring and uninteresting (the big guy who's name I always forget because he's that forgettable) or downright annoying (Shrike.) This also doesn't help with how equally boring and uninteresting the actual show is. The setting itself is truthfully shown to be quite cool looking with lots of potential, but Monkey Wrench utterly fumbles at gaining and maintaining the audience's interest because
1. They don't care about the main characters
2. They don't even care about the female coom-potential side characters, which is impressive in itself
3. The episodic plot just doesn't hook the viewer at all. Nobody cares.
All these things get CONSTANTLY brought up whenever Monkey Wrench is mentioned, you acting like everyone is shitting on it with "no reasoning" is sad and bordering on delusion. Maybe if Zeurel learned from criticism and improved after the poor performance of the first episode it wouldn't be such a failure. I'm sorry the show about robots is actually able to learn from criticism and improves constantly, which is why people seem to enjoy it and you hate that.
And I do want to frick the robots.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus man, he's already dead
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're not funny
8 months ago
Anonymous
>All these things get CONSTANTLY brought up whenever Monkey Wrench is mentioned,
You're the first one I've seen prioritizing coom-potential characters as a big deal, and considering you admit you jack off to the robots that shows your twisted perspective on these. >learn from criticism
Nobody can gain anything from your criticism. You say it's bad and forgettable but have yet to mention any reasons why. Why are the characters bad, why is it boring? You just say it is and that's it, so what the frick is anyone supposed to learn from that?
Waifu gays, worthless as always
8 months ago
Anonymous
>prioritising coom >doesnt actually read any of the post
Wow moron, it's almost like all of that flew over your head and you completely missed that I was referring to it being pathetic that Monkey Wrench can't even drum up interest through using coom - which is notoriously easy to do to get easy attention and support for your cartoon show. Monkey Wrench is so boring and poorly done that not even coomers are attracted to it. Cope some more. You're just upset because people lile something else that isn't the show you like.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You're just upset because people lile something else that isn't the show you like.
That's literally you the whole thread. Cope pathetic coomer.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>That's literally you the whole thread
...So you admit it? Okay, thanks for just saying you're coping. That explains enough.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>..So you admit it?
Didn't admit shit, seems like you're coping hard schizo. Then again what else can you expect from someone proud of being a coomer.
8 months ago
Anonymous
How fricking stupid can you be holy shit
8 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit you're moronic
Holy shit you're dumb
8 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit you're moronic
8 months ago
Anonymous
no
8 months ago
Anonymous
wow frick you.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus man, he's already dead
8 months ago
Anonymous
Were you too stupid to attach the image file the first place?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Kek are you actually that upset ypu're lashing out at random anons? Are you underage?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>ypu're
You're definitely underage if you can't even spell right.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Hi Vivzie, when's the fat belly reveal?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I agree. I would say it's like those dispersion triangle things. You could also view it as a series of gates: >First gate: Characters are bad. Shrike is not an owl like his name. He looks like Earthworm jim with his head blown off and he acts like a crack addict. Beebe looks like a Minecraft character that was realistically rendered as a joke. Then you put in your first and only episode a naked bird character whose gimmick is screeching annoyingly, which is what Shrike does, so we get two loads of that. You cant have a show start where so many characters are irritating. Th well designed second bananas only highlight that the show could be better, which is even more irritating.
There is also the thought that its artstyle and themes are way out of style. The grungy scifi thing have been better accepted 30 years ago in the 90s. No one likes grody now and scifi is exceptionally dead now. It's well done but it's not playing the game.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's not totally terrible. It has a lot of competence in some areas (especially animation), but some other areas are lacking (writing in particular). As the end result, it's too average to catch people's attention. That's a serious issue. The show must be able to capture an audience and generate income. If it fails to do so, there's a possibility that they can't afford making more of it. Zeurel himself has said that the show isn't getting as much attention as it needs to get:
Monkey Wrench's rousing failure really boils my blood. I thought you frickers WANTED more original shit. What happened?
Since the show's creator brought it up, it's relevant to discuss why the show isn't more popular, and what could be done to increase its appeal. Spotting flaws and fixing them is always an essential aspect of improvement. A lot of the criticism that I've seen is made by people who sincerely want the show to become a success. I don't know why there are so many anons in Monkey Wrench threads who take the criticism personally and try to argue that the show is fine as it is.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I think people who worked on it try to influence these threads.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, yeah? The setting itself is pretty interesting, there was big potential for an actual story with a good cast of character's people would like. The problem is that all the interest is completely squandered, because Zeurel has absolutely no idea how to attract or keep an audience. I don't even think he knows what audience he wants. If you look at all other currently running indie shows that are actually doing well, you can clearly see how they are produced to attract a target audience. Who the frick is Monkey Wrench for? Fans of Zeurel's old funny animations? There's not that many of them, too niche for a large enough following for a fully produced cartoon show. I don't think the guy actually knows what he wants, and that's the problem.
Both [...] and [...] sum it up pretty well.
Doing stuff because you want to rather than appealing to the audience is true creator kino, you’re lame as hell if you think a show sucks just because it’s not appealing to tumblr.
And face it, that is what the popular indie cartoons are doing. You can like them if you want, but the tumblr appeal is in their DNA.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's nice to do your own thing. But if there's money involved, you still need to think about who's your intended target audience and how to get their attention. Otherwise your project's gonna be facing an existential threat. If a show doesn't appeal to people, it won't have fans who are willing to pay for it. This means the creator will eventually run out of money, which will force him to end the show.
I suppose some people might think that it's glorious to be a starving artist whose vision is so amazing that nobody understands it. But I don't get the vibe that Zeurel wants to be one of those. He wants the show to be more popular. He has said so.
I'm kinda wondering if this anon was correct
I think people who worked on it try to influence these threads.
I struggle to remember any other Cinemaphile properties where people are so defensive and oversensitive about criticism. If those anons are working on the show, that would explain their reaction.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I struggle to remember any other Cinemaphile properties where people are so defensive and oversensitive about criticism.
Murder Drone fans. They throw a fit and accuse of you being this gay or that schizo if you criticize the show in their threads. I genuinely dont know, their show has none of the problems this one has. Im not trying to be a tribalhomosexual btw just pointing that out.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Im not trying to be a tribalhomosexual
He says as he starts tribegayging. You're part of the problem.
7 months ago
Anonymous
No, I was answering his question. He asked if there are any other Cinemaphile properties with anal overdefensive fans and I mentioned one
7 months ago
Anonymous
No, I was answering his question. He asked if there are any other Cinemaphile properties with anal overdefensive fans and I mentioned one
You're literally the same single anon in the entirety of this thread crying about any criticism of Monkey Wrench, completely ignoring the valid points people bring up about it, just to randomly bring up random shows like Murder Drones to complain about them. It's painfully obvious and easy to tell that you're literally just the same dude that is super butthurt about MD for some reason, it's pathetic to watch. Get a new script.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>EVERYBODY IN THIS THREAD IS ONE GUY!!! >EVERYBODY I DISAGREE WITH IS ONE GUY!!!
Sounds like the only schizo here is (you)
7 months ago
Anonymous
The fact you think you're fooling anyone is hilarious, you just say the same shit. Like I said, get a new script if you want to be believable.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The fact you think you're fooling anyone is hilarious, you just say the same shit. Like I said, get a new script if you want to be believable.
I walk away for 10 minutes and you're already latching on to someone else. Seems you'll just sperg out no matter what so I'll let the others deal with you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not your boogeyman, moron. Just nobody in this thread likes you or believes your bullshit.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I'll let the others deal with you
woah scary lmfao what an unbelievable homosexual you are. Meds, now please Monkeywrenchgay.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The others >Literally just you
fricking topkek
I'm not your boogeyman, moron. Just nobody in this thread likes you or believes your bullshit.
We're talking about you.
Oh wow you really kept going, hilarious
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The others >Literally just you
fricking topkek
7 months ago
Anonymous
homie all thread it's been about your pathetic excuse of criticism rather than actively defending Murder Drones. Nobody here claims it's a masterpiece or a perfect show, it's just that the hate for it is incredibly autistic. At best people think it's fine and enjoyable, you're the one who has this seething crusade over some random indie show. Frick off already.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>you have an evil crusade against poor struggling artist!!! >theres nothing wrong without its just aitist haters!!!
Like clockwork. Have yet to see any response to the criticism beyond "s-shut up youre just a s-schizo"
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Have yet to see any response to the criticism
What criticism? You're just saying it's bad without saying anything about why it's bad. Literally the only sort of real criticism of the entire thread is the post about "stakes", everything else is just >characters bad, humor bad, hire writers
That's nothing. Your continued seething over some random show is what's funny about all this, not Monkey Wrench being some darling show worthy of being defended. This type of autism is hilarious regardless of what show you'd be attacking.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Well go on and defend it. Praise the jokes and the characters and the design and the writing and the pacing the way that other anon criticised it for the lack of stakes or the anons in the other thread critcised it. Surely thats going to be easy for you?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>still misses the point
Classic schizo.
It's not about praising it, it's about your seething hatred for it being odd and moronic. You just say the characters suck but don't mention what about their writing and characterization sucks, you just say they suck and that the show is a failure. That's not criticism or anything worth a damn, you're just moaning. And you've acted with a huge ego over it. If you actually explained any specific reason why the characters don't work or plot is dumb, then fine. But you just say vague shit and act like that's "criticism".
I think the show is fine, it wants to be a space comedy and it does that job well enough. It's not amazing and it's not above criticism, but your type of hatred is so autistic that it's just pathetic.
7 months ago
Anonymous
So you have nothing good to say about the show beyond >space comedy good
7 months ago
Anonymous
There's no way this homosexual is for real, he just repeats the same cope for the entirety of the thread. It almost seems like a falseflag against Monkey Wrench to get people to dislike it more.
7 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
You're literally the same single anon in the entirety of this thread crying about any criticism of Monkey Wrench, completely ignoring the valid points people bring up about it, just to randomly bring up random shows like Murder Drones to complain about them. It's painfully obvious and easy to tell that you're literally just the same dude that is super butthurt about MD for some reason, it's pathetic to watch. Get a new script.
It's literally a single guy having an autistic sperg-out. I'm genuinely not sure if it's bait at this point, guy is literally just a broken record player.
He certainly doesnt sound like the anons in previous monkey wrench threads who were defending the show, those guys had actual arguments instead of just screeching nonsense. This guy cant even praise his show
[...]
he's just trying to start a tribewar between indie shows
>still going at it
Pathetic
7 months ago
Anonymous
I've never seen Murder Drones or participated in any discussion about it. I don't know anything about it and can't comment on it at all.
I don't think anons hate Monkey Wrench. It's more like they're indifferent and apathetic towards it, or disappointed that it's not as good as they were hoping.
However, if you continue promoting the show this way, I think you might actually make people hate it. Is that your actual goal here?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>It's more like they're indifferent and apathetic towards it,
If they were apathetic towards it they wouldn't stick around a thread for hours to talk about how much they don't care about it. >if you continue promoting the show this way
If you're that dumb to believe I'm someone working on this show and "promoting it" then that's on you. I ain't related to shit, I just find fascinating the amount of seething this random show has. I'd be equally as intrigued if this were for any other indie cartoon out there. MW was just the target these weirdos got.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I think you might actually make people hate it. Is that your actual goal here?
Honestly it seems like that the way this Black person has been seething the entire thread
Nobody cares about your Murder Drones hateboner, samegayging Black person.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody cares about your Murder Drones boner Black person.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>There are people in this world who unironically >without being forced >based on their choice via free will >COMPLETELY VOLUNTARILY >watch Murder Drones
Both watch it and shit on other indie shows
Your b***hing is honestly pathetic at this point. Didn't you bring it up in the first place and compare the two shows? I'm not even a huge fan of either, but one is successful while one isn't - and you're complaining about the successful one because the one you like isn't doing well or being watched by many people. Grow the frick up. Quite a few anons have explained their criticisms of Monkey Wrench here, and also explained why it isn't doing well or gaining an audience. Zeurel refuses to learn from it. This waffle about other shows is sad.
7 months ago
Anonymous
What are you on about, all I said was I can't believe people choose to watch murder drones cause I think the show blows chunks. I'm not even the same person, although you'll have to believe me cause I use CinemaphileX
7 months ago
Anonymous
>still going on
Mindbroken
7 months ago
Anonymous
Aren't you the one that keeps bringing it up and samegayging? Mindbroken. I'm sorry people generally agree the show you like sucks.
You know that a bunch of people who worked on these productions went to CalArts, right?
It's almost like the school is just a school and isn't the boogieman Cinemaphile likes to pretend it is.
and its so bad also,
dora the explorer does a better job at making english and spanish mixed speaking natural. and his shitty accent is jarring as frick
She should be back soon.
The container she was supposed to be looking for is definitely going to be the same one the L.A.W. guys dumped on Shrike and Beebs
>Worthikids
Just when I think one of their little skits is going to be a flop, something about the writing or visuals will manage to hook me with at least one chuckle-worthy gag.
It's the consistency of quality that sets Worthikids apart.
I do want more original shit and I will continue to watch Monkey Wrench episodes if they continue coming out because I want to support original indie animation. That said, I will also continue airing grievances when people ask what's wrong with it. Monkey Wrench has several critical flaws that anons seem to unanimously agree with.
I think most people want this show to be successful which is why criticism seems to be oddly constructive considering where we are. It's possible that either Zeurel is unaware that these criticisms exist, or simply unwilling to stray from the staunch vision he has, but the simple fact is that the show is failing on it's own merits. It's not a failure of networking or visibility or other external circumstances...it's just not very entertaining.
It's just bad and not engaging. It took me 6 separate attempts to sit through episode 1, i didnt even bother with two, this shit is dead in the water. Zeruel needs to either get a writer and start a new series, or spend 5 years learning how to write by doing smaller things.
Yes Im sure Zeurel's twitter account was hacked by the ebil 4chud haters
Monkey Wrench's rousing failure really boils my blood. I thought you frickers WANTED more original shit. What happened?
7 months ago
Anonymous
He's literally selling merch to fund his episodes right now you massive moron. As quick as a Twitter search but you're too fat and lazy to do that.
https://twitter.com/Zeurel/status/1699058970147873127
7 months ago
Anonymous
>He's literally selling merch to fund his episodes right now you massive moron
Yeah man, all three of the people who will buy these plushes. And Zeurel will make like what? $50?
7 months ago
Anonymous
So you went from >he's totally cancelling his project
to >haha his funding is gonna fail
Nice goalpost. He's also almost reached his goal.
7 months ago
Anonymous
lmfao. And how long will it take for the merch to get enough money to fund his project? We gonna see the next episode in 2025? You really think Zeurel has enough dickrider fans to keep the hype alive the Vivziepop does about her show that will never come out?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>You really think Zeurel has enough dickrider fans to keep the hype alive
He's almost reached his goal in selling those out and has 5 days to go, so yeah.
This entire thread also started due to the collab between him and Lackadaisy which happened because he has enough clout to hang out with those.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>dude we need a quarter of a thousand grand to make the next 10 minutes animation >Here's a 2 minute animation shilling we managed to make for free btw
Fricking transparent frauds.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Only 20 seconds of that 2 minute video is animated, what animation there is in that video is of a character sitting behind a desk not doing anything too hard to animate. Also, Zuerel animates all the promo videos himself. He needs the money to pay other animators to work for him so he won't have to do more of the work himself so he can get it out quicker you moron.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>anon doesn't know the difference between a short animation of a character behind a desk and an entire animated episode with multiple backgrounds and more than 2 characters interacting
Kek
bootlickers
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I mean it's one animation, anon. What could it cost? Ten dollars?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>anon doesn't know the difference between a short animation of a character behind a desk and an entire animated episode with multiple backgrounds and more than 2 characters interacting
Kek
I just don't really understand creators who seemingly spend an inordinate amount of time shitposting on social media instead of... you know... working? Shouldn't Viv be extremely busy overseeing both Hazbin and Helluva?
>There are people in this world who unironically >without being forced >based on their choice via free will >COMPLETELY VOLUNTARILY >watch Murder Drones
Is....Okay, in all reality the most outputting thing was
A. Zoomer humor
B. "Umm..So that just happened"
But they deminished slowly, so it was only really noticable during the first episode. But with the more serious change to the series, the tonal whip splashbecame far worse, so i guess a teeth for a teethIn all reality the only thing the series manages to capt my interest, is that his creator has done some schizo stuff, so i want to see the eventual tone shift
>Wants 5 seasons to tell the whole story of Monkey Wrench
What the frick is up with these creators wanting so many seasons? This is indie shit! Why do they want to tell such drawn out stories when they have a limited budget?
https://www.youtube.com/live/efPq2r3VGTc?si=aEnnRyRIWLDLiv9H&t=2371
At 39:31 he is asked how many episodes he wants in a season and he wants 10 - 12 episodes for the first season at least and 5 seasons.
What the hell you can cut that shit down to one season if you get rid of the fat or maybe two seasons.
Everyone knows he's a competent animator. Nobody ever said he's a competent show runner. The guy is fricking moronic, and it shows with how hard he's fumbled this show already. A shame too, it had so much potential.
I mean, yeah? The setting itself is pretty interesting, there was big potential for an actual story with a good cast of character's people would like. The problem is that all the interest is completely squandered, because Zeurel has absolutely no idea how to attract or keep an audience. I don't even think he knows what audience he wants. If you look at all other currently running indie shows that are actually doing well, you can clearly see how they are produced to attract a target audience. Who the frick is Monkey Wrench for? Fans of Zeurel's old funny animations? There's not that many of them, too niche for a large enough following for a fully produced cartoon show. I don't think the guy actually knows what he wants, and that's the problem.
Both
Zeurel is an animator's animator. He's a super geek who notices all the tiny things that make great animation great and is able to masterfully implement that sort of microscopic attention to detail in his own work.
Unfortunately it seems that when he watches other animated productions, his attention is so focused on the actual animation that he doesn't notice all of the other aspects that make it great. The writing, the voice acting, the music, the overall mix of those elements...they all play a part in creating a successful whole.
I think he would do well to hire a co-director or production manager who has more of an eye/ear for those non-animated elements. He can still control the overall vision for the project, but he needs someone who sees animated productions more generally and can point out when certain things aren't working, help direct voice recording sessions, oversee music direction, give Gooseworx someone to bounce off of when it comes to final mix, etc.
Or he can stubbornly go down with the ship. I want Monkey Wrench to be successful, but as cool as the concept is and as great as the animation looks, the other aspects of production kind of drag it down.
and
Stakes. Despite their simplicity, I like the characters and it would only take a few episodes of character development and backstory to make people relate to them more. The show started on a weak note regarding that aspect, but it's not unsalvageable.
If the show had stakes and given me a reason to care about these character's well-being, I'd be more sympathetic to them. As they are now what do they have to lose? Money? Their problems are on-par with every mook, goon, and disposable lackey that the hero kicks in the face and moves past in fiction ever. Either give them a personal reason for being here or make it funnier, so I don't care about personal reasons.
He used to make funny animations and he makes animations for lythero, I'm not sure how the humor in monkey wrench comes out so serviceable. I'd thought there'd be one knee slapper, but it's all feels like jokes I'd see for bits in-between the funny knee slappers, just gags to pass the time.
Change the lead from whatever the frick he is, to a more appealing human or alien. If he wants to go with furries then why not make him a literal shrike-like bird alien?
I wonder if the guy who voices Shrike is aware that he, personally, is responsible for the single worst part about Monkey Wrench, or if there’s some cognitive disconnect where he believes everyone who complains about his god-awful voice acting “just doesn’t get it”.
I guess Monkey Wrench is small enough to fly under the radar, but I'm pretty surprised that nobody has called him out for being problematic yet due to his use of Mexican caricature. Also, someone should tell him he'd look a lot better if he just shaved his head and grew a beard. His little comb-over hat is hanging on for dear life and it's time to put it out of its misery.
Vivzie was already depressed over lackadaisy making 2 million and telling her to frick off with her money, this partnership may finally make her commit rope
Im so damn happy for lackadaisy's achievements and the seethe they cause on Viv simps, bros
>and telling her to frick off with her money
that was a weird thing, is it common for donations to get rejected? I haven't even heard of something like that was it the crew rejecting Vivi or just some bank frickery mix up?
Vivzi said really shitty things about the Lackadaisy director behind the scenes. Screenshots were leaked and she was caught with her pants down, so instead of apologizing, she made a grand donation to cover for her gaff.
Team Lackadaisy didn't want to accept the cash because by doing so they'd implicitly be excusing her behavior, so after failing to convince her to take the money back, they simply rejected the donation.
It's like if someone walked up to your wife in a bar, smacked her in the face, then bought the two of you drinks. Would you graciously accept the offer just because a drink is a drink?
Interesting how Zeurel wienersuckers whine about how everybody's a hater and that there is no real criticism of the show but fail to actually answer the criticism when its posted.
Why are Monkey Wrench hyperstans like this? They whine and complain about how nobody is watching their show and blame "haters" and when people point out the many things wrong with it they sperg out and start blaming MDgays or Vivziegays or Lackadaisygays or whoever the imagined enemy is today.
Monkey Wrench is a bad show, full stop. Zeurel himself is complaining about it being a failure
Monkey Wrench's rousing failure really boils my blood. I thought you frickers WANTED more original shit. What happened?
None of the people ripping into it hate it, they simply understand that its not a good product. The fact that people like you cant understand that or refuse to acknowledge that and just stick your fingers into your ears and go "HATERS MDgayS VIVgayS" thinking that any criticism of the show is orchestrated by some shadowy enemy just shows how braindead you are.
Interesting how Zeurel wienersuckers whine about how everybody's a hater and that there is no real criticism of the show but fail to actually answer the criticism when its posted.
The thread has been like that from the start due to fanboys of MD talking shit about Monkey Wrench like it killed their baby. Blame those idiots. Like [...]
I know it sucks but zeruel shouldve absolutely made smaller shorts first to gage interest before committing to this huge expensive pilot. Theres plenty of others who went that route instead and it works. Hell, chkng ngt did nothing but tiny shitposty shorts, and now has a full season deal after continuous popularity proved people will watch.
Liam vickers did a whole pilot solol, but outside of that he had a tony of short voice only stories and storyboarded animations. He isnt known for parody works but was doing original stuff from the get go and really built his image at being able to create such stuff, and its why murder drones was such a success.
As far as i know zeruel never really did originals before monkey wrench.
It's literally a single guy having an autistic sperg-out. I'm genuinely not sure if it's bait at this point, guy is literally just a broken record player.
He certainly doesnt sound like the anons in previous monkey wrench threads who were defending the show, those guys had actual arguments instead of just screeching nonsense. This guy cant even praise his show
He certainly doesnt sound like the anons in previous monkey wrench threads who were defending the show, those guys had actual arguments instead of just screeching nonsense. This guy cant even praise his show
he's just trying to start a tribewar between indie shows
Hot take:
I'm going to watch Monkey Wrench
I'm going to watch Hazbin
I'm going to watch Helluva
I'm going to watch Lackadaisy
I'm going to watch Murder Drones
I'm going to watch Boxtown
and if Long Gone Gulch manages to move forward, I'll watch that too.
>I sincerely doubt you'll be watching Boxtown. Or Hazbin.
why? Hazbin will come out eventually and despite not hitting their second crowdfunding goal, Boxtown is in production.
It didn't get crowdfunded, but apparently it's still in development and it has since been changed into a musical, and since not a lot of people like musicals nowadays. I hope the creators behind it make it fun so audiences will have an interest in it.
It didn't get crowdfunded, but apparently it's still in development and it has since been changed into a musical, and since not a lot of people like musicals nowadays. I hope the creators behind it make it fun so audiences will have an interest in it.
It's in production. I think the current plan is to use Blender to cut down on animation costs. There is a musical number planned but it's hard to say whether it will actually be a full-on musical or if the tweet that the creator/director put out was hyperbole.
I kind of hope it doesn't end up being a full-on musical. I think a rare musical number like early Bob's Burgers was kind of fun, but now that they have a song in nearly every fricking episode it just feels unearned.
I still haven't gotten through Centaurworld because the songs in the first few episodes just obliterated the momentum and took me out of the moment.
yeah I saw some of the 3d/blender stuff or assets they were using, though I thought it was from a different project.
You know theyre going to shove in as many songs as they can
7 months ago
Anonymous
If they hire the guy who did the trash cans song to do the music, I might just kill myself. I think his name was Kevin Timmy Turner Tunes or something
7 months ago
Anonymous
Kevin Temmer. And what's wrong with using him? He's one of the best 3D animators out there right now. Not like they would be able to get him anyway, he's too busy animating for Murder Drones and Amazing Digital Circus.
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7 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t know, he just gives off pompous douche vibes
7 months ago
Anonymous
Kevin Temmer. And what's wrong with using him? He's one of the best 3D animators out there right now. Not like they would be able to get him anyway, he's too busy animating for Murder Drones and Amazing Digital Circus.
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>If they hire the guy who did the trash cans song to do the music, , I might just kill myself
>what's wrong with using him? He's one of the best 3D animators out there right now
I don't know who this is, but your logic doesn't stack up. That's like hiring someone to cut your hair because they're a talented plumber.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It might be a little of column A/little of column B. I think some of the initial 3d/blender stuff was done by a fan, but they've since been brought on to actually work on the show. How much of that stuff is actually going to be used in the series is hard to say.
I'm also waiting to pass judgement because I know that 3d/blender stuff can look completely different once it's fully textured/shaded/rendered/filtered, etc. Blender put out an official animation with two of their proprietary characters recently that looked insanely good.
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>You know theyre going to shove in as many songs as they can
We'll see. At the very least, if they insist on having musical numbers hopefully they actually get musicians to write them. This whole trend of 'someone on the animation team who plays guitar, has a microphone, and is "pretty good" with garageband' writing songs for productions is getting really fricking old. The songs end up being really boring and cookie-cutter because the person doing it has an extremely limited perspective of what music can be. Hire someone who actually knows what the frick they're doing.
7 months ago
Anonymous
yeah I saw some of the 3d/blender stuff or assets they were using, though I thought it was from a different project.
You know theyre going to shove in as many songs as they can
>This whole trend of 'someone on the animation team who plays guitar, has a microphone, and is "pretty good" with garageband' writing songs for productions is getting really fricking old >Kevin Temmer
Frick. I guess I spoke too soon. God dammit. RIP.
It's a proposed indie animated series loosely based on a spoof detective/noir world. No, it's not black and white or gritty. Yes, the characters are kind of bubbly in shape and bright in colors.
It got some backlash on Cinemaphile because Alex Hirsch and Tara Strong were brought on board to voice characters which apparently is a bad thing? Some people incorrectly assumed this was Hirsch's project. There are like 1 or 2 reeeally dedicated 'spergs who really love shitting on it. One of them who was especially vocal about how much he hated the art accidentally doxxed himself and, surprise surprise, he is the world's shittiest artist and a furry (notable because nearly all of his 'art' is yiff-related). Pic related...it's one of the rare non-explicit drawings but they're all of similar quality.
It's hard to say how it will end up, but I'd like to see at least one episode. I think the idea has potential.
>Animation isn't a zero sum game.
Indie market is. Competition, ever heard of it?
Every dolar going to lackadaisy was a dollar not.going to Vivzie's fat ass, and thats a good thing.
They're different shows and I like them for different reasons. It's hard to pit them in a grudge match and I kind of don't want to.
I'm the most eager to see more from Long Gone Gulch. Zach and Tara do really cool shit and I really want to see what they could do with a show of their own. I also wouldn't mind seeing more fun series set in that olde western town type setting. The desert is an underappreciated landscape for animated storytelling.
Monkey Wrench fans, congratulations! You have officially been inducted into Cinemaphile culture with the birth of your new schizo! Now you can join the ranks of Homosuck (Guy), Forbidden Horsey Show (Barneygay), HH/HB (Stolasgay), Smiling Friends (Neopuritangay), and many others!
Rejoice! From this day on every single thread you guys make is going to be soiled and derailed by a moron who imagines himself to be very funny whinging and crying about the haters!
Eldritch Horror kino created by Liam Vickers (the guy that created Cliffiside, Internecion Cube, and wrote a bunch of stories for his old channel Scary Story Time with Liam), initially disguised under a straightforward premise of cute robots trying to survive against murderous monster vampire robots (that also happen to be cute). The plot evolves into a mystery the characters have to figure out, as it's gradually revealed that the initial premise of the show from the first episode was a complete lie perpetuated by the true antagonist of the show that is manipulating events behind the scenes - an Eldritch deity / god / abomination that wants to consume the Universe and everything in it.
Watch until Episode 3 if you want to get the entire gist and decide whether it's for you or not.
there's honestly no good reason for it. I think I came across both of them around the same time I just stuck them in the same mental box for no discernible reason.
Shows initial premise is worker robots live on an exoplanet abandoned by humanity due to nuclear winter or whatever. Human central command finds the planet again and fearing the robots have rebelled, send in dissasembly robots. Worker robots hide in bunkers from the vampiric Murder Drones Attack on Titan style.
Or thats what it seems like initially, the show is densely loaded with information and rewatching episodes is a good idea. Also it has a lot of insane superpowered cute girls, which was the specialty of its creator back when he was writing creepypastas
Thank you both for replying but after viewing I don’t think it is for me
Shows initial premise is worker robots live on an exoplanet abandoned by humanity due to nuclear winter or whatever. Human central command finds the planet again and fearing the robots have rebelled, send in dissasembly robots. Worker robots hide in bunkers from the vampiric Murder Drones Attack on Titan style.
Or thats what it seems like initially, the show is densely loaded with information and rewatching episodes is a good idea. Also it has a lot of insane superpowered cute girls, which was the specialty of its creator back when he was writing creepypastas
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It's in production. I think the current plan is to use Blender to cut down on animation costs. There is a musical number planned but it's hard to say whether it will actually be a full-on musical or if the tweet that the creator/director put out was hyperbole.
I kind of hope it doesn't end up being a full-on musical. I think a rare musical number like early Bob's Burgers was kind of fun, but now that they have a song in nearly every fricking episode it just feels unearned.
I still haven't gotten through Centaurworld because the songs in the first few episodes just obliterated the momentum and took me out of the moment.
It's almost like people were asking questions tangentially related to indie animation on a thread about an indie animation, and recieved answers. You moronic newbie.
It's not like there's much to discuss regarding Monkey Wrench anyway, everything has already pretty much been said. Let people discuss what they want.
Half the posts you linked aren't even about Murder Drones, they're about a different show you dipshit. If you don't even know what people are talking about, why complain? Thread's dead anyway.
What is the general consensus on the best and the worst character of MonkeyWrench? A lot of anons have said Shrike is the worst but I actually really like him and think he's charming. Plus a good chunk of the MW fanart I see is of him anyway so clearly he isn't that bad.
His design is clearly based on Vash the stampede but that doesn't matter because Vash's design kicks ass and I want more characters that look like him. His personality isn't irritating to me but I can see why the general consensus is he's annoying
Shrike's design is whatever, but his voice is
T H E
F U C K I N G
W O R S T
I don't think I'll ever get used to it. It's incredibly grating and the cartoonishly mexican-isms don't add anything to the character. Giving him an accent or having him speak spanglish is fine since it makes about as much sense as an alien speaking english with a midwestern neutral accent, but the actual voice actor needs to be replaced with someone who can see the character as something more than an Adam Sandler sketch.
He must be a personal friend of Zeurel's or something because I don't know how the frick else he booked that gig. This is the same sort of thing that brought down Final Space when Olan Rogers cast HIMSELF as the main fricking character. He was clearly the worst actor of the ensemble and because he was the lead it just absolutely destroyed the fricking show. At this point it seems highly unlikely the voice of Shrike will be replaced so I guess that's that. He'll continue to act and people will continue to complain, and eventually the show will shut down. Perhaps Zeurel will have better luck with his next show.
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Half the posts you linked aren't even about Murder Drones, they're about a different show you dipshit. If you don't even know what people are talking about, why complain? Thread's dead anyway.
Only one of those posts was not about murder drones, the rest were about that show or anything related to that. There was an entire other thread to take your autism.
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It's almost like people were asking questions tangentially related to indie animation on a thread about an indie animation, and recieved answers. You moronic newbie.
It's not like there's much to discuss regarding Monkey Wrench anyway, everything has already pretty much been said. Let people discuss what they want.
>It's not like there's much to discuss regarding Monkey Wrench anyway
Then fricking leave the monkey wrench thread
No, people will discuss what they want especially when the discussion is about general indie animation. If someone asks for information about something they'll usually get an answer. Stop being such a crybaby you little homosexual. You can choose to ignore a chain of replies of anons discussing something and look at something else instead of sperging out about it. Also no, read the posts you linked. Half of them, 4 of them, aren't even about Murder Drones as the subject. Absolute bumbling autist, you lack the basic reading comprehension to even get what you're crying about correct.
man shut the frick up. literally just shut the frick up. nobody cares. i don't even care what you're arguing about, just talk about fricking monkey wrench or lackadaisy or get the frick out
do you consider this shit enrichment? what do you get on the internet for, to have a miserable fricking time?
anyway, pretty excited that one-eye from robo western is back. i was obsessed with that short when it came out
I think it's nice that independent productions are banding together and trying to lift each-other up. That's how it should be.
I honestly don't get the ridiculous tribalism and it's 100% being pushed by a few bad-faith 'fans'. Actual rivalries are extreme outliers, and for the most part people want to see their peers succeed. Success for one independent animation means the path is cleared for success of more.
yeah, i hate that every thread here gets overridden with this bullshit. i just wanna talk about boozecats and zeurel
even if i have a specific thread topic it always dissolves into discourse and it seriously drives me insane, 'cause i wouldn't be makin threads if i didn't actually enjoy the material. i guess that's not how folks on this board like to operate, though.
Why does Ashley cope avoid collapse like this? It'd do wonders for her readership to piggyback on these media events yet she avoids it like shart in a confessional
I guess, I just thought that having a thread about niche artists collaborating to promote little known projects may pertain a bit to unsounded; but frick me right?
You jumped in to a conversation with an interjection as if we’ve all been privy to your inner thoughts for the last several hours. Context is a good thing, anon
my meow meow
cool
Very interesting talk about management.
Monkey Wrench has a ton of love and passion and genuine talent poured into it, it’s just not very good. How can we fix this?
Hire a good writer to start. Hows fiona and cake anyways?
Fionna and Cake is fun enough. You'll enjoy it a lot more if you watched Adventure Time as its a sequel
Needs something to grab more of a woman fanbase
Frick no
It's not a problem that it's a masculine adventure series; the problem is it's surprisingly boring.
Having some genuine stakes in any plot line would be cool.
Zeurel is an animator's animator. He's a super geek who notices all the tiny things that make great animation great and is able to masterfully implement that sort of microscopic attention to detail in his own work.
Unfortunately it seems that when he watches other animated productions, his attention is so focused on the actual animation that he doesn't notice all of the other aspects that make it great. The writing, the voice acting, the music, the overall mix of those elements...they all play a part in creating a successful whole.
I think he would do well to hire a co-director or production manager who has more of an eye/ear for those non-animated elements. He can still control the overall vision for the project, but he needs someone who sees animated productions more generally and can point out when certain things aren't working, help direct voice recording sessions, oversee music direction, give Gooseworx someone to bounce off of when it comes to final mix, etc.
Or he can stubbornly go down with the ship. I want Monkey Wrench to be successful, but as cool as the concept is and as great as the animation looks, the other aspects of production kind of drag it down.
Stakes. Despite their simplicity, I like the characters and it would only take a few episodes of character development and backstory to make people relate to them more. The show started on a weak note regarding that aspect, but it's not unsalvageable.
If the show had stakes and given me a reason to care about these character's well-being, I'd be more sympathetic to them. As they are now what do they have to lose? Money? Their problems are on-par with every mook, goon, and disposable lackey that the hero kicks in the face and moves past in fiction ever. Either give them a personal reason for being here or make it funnier, so I don't care about personal reasons.
He used to make funny animations and he makes animations for lythero, I'm not sure how the humor in monkey wrench comes out so serviceable. I'd thought there'd be one knee slapper, but it's all feels like jokes I'd see for bits in-between the funny knee slappers, just gags to pass the time.
It’s fine for what it is, I don’t know why everyone here thinks they’re a seasoned critic when it comes to this show. I can’t think of many flaws in the writing for the past 2 episodes besides the main character using spanglish way too often.
>dude just worship slop without thinking about it!
>says its fine
>"worship slop"
Obsessed schizo
>slop
And you expect me to take you seriously?
You know you can try and explain why something is bad or you could shit all over it.
You know for a second I thought this when my aunt told me she liked capeshit, but then I remembered that some people just like things to like things and its unironically ok.
>I don’t know why everyone here thinks they’re a seasoned critic when it comes to this show.
Consumers dodge responsibility when it suits them
People always scream for “Muh alternatives” to popular garbage but never turn out for the alternatives, which of course they’ll come up with a million reasons for
Or, what if that one alternative is just bad and nobody wants to watch it - while the other alternatives are actually good and people do watch them.
The other guy asked what is wrong with Monkey Wrench and basically got a handful of nothing adjectives and “needs more waifus!” in response
Pretty much.
There's been plenty of valid criticism of Monkey Wrench since it came out. The last thread was full of it and hit the thread limit.
You’ve failed to mention any actual criticism beyond “it’s lame”. That’s nothing, you may as well not even be posting. Last thread was the same, a bunch of coomers pretending to be critics complaining about vague shit that leads nowhere.
This mental illness is specific to this brand of anons, just some weird freaks with hate boner for Monkey Wrench. In every other indie show there’s actual complaints but here it’s vague ass shit that barely counts as criticism. Almost like its a bunch of failed creators who want to punch down another unpopular work to make themselves feel better. Just sad.
It's mainly just HB/HH fans. Same for lackadaisy.
>You’ve failed to mention any actual criticism
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138974589
There's been plenty of it from the last few months, especially in this thread. There's just little point in reiterating the same criticisms over and over again until more content comes out or something changes in the actual show. Don't be surprised seeing shitposts in these threads when there's nothing left to talk about.
I kind of feel like it's all unreasonable really, the show only has 2 episodes out now and MANY shows don't get going well into the middle or late into their 1 season or even second (like Bojack).
I think people really should wait to see more before getting their pitchforks out, episode 3 could very easily be the real beginning of the actual "story" of Monkey Wrench.
...or not, whichever comes first.
Will episode 3 also be when Shrike goes through puberty and his voice changes to a completely different actor?
What would a better voice for him even sound like?
Someone who doesn't sound like a parody of Cheech Marin meets Adam Sandler's Goat character. The fact that the character is supposed to have a mexican accent or speak bits of spanish is fine and an idea that can really make this character unique, but getting a white dude to do a really awful caricature of the aforementioned influences was a bad way to go.
His voice could be less...shouty? Less gruff...maybe a bit smaller. Like, not twerpy, but a bit more smooth. The character is skinny and waify, but he is excitable. His voice should be a little nerdier and maybe more collected when he's not losing it so when he goes off the contrast is funnier. Oddly enough, Lackadaisy does this really well with Freckle. His meek demeanor contrasts well with his slightly unhinged ultra-violence mode. Shrike's voice, on the other hand, is like a white guy's parody of an angry mexican. I think it would work better if his character oscillated between cool calm collected and a little suave to kind of losing it but not in a loud fricking Adam Sandler goat way, but just kind of a bit more unhinged...muttering to himself and getting faster in his speaking so you know there's a storm raging inside, but he's kind of keeping it barely reigned in (until the few moments when he really goes off half wienered). It would make those moments feel more like an event instead of the guy who is always fricking annoying just being more fricking annoying. I don't have a lot of references in my back pocket because acting isn't my thing, but tone-wise maybe like a slightly deeper version of Ignacio on Better Call Saul with more of an accent and slightly more neurotic. Kind of suave and faux confident and tries to act like he has things together, but you can tell he's a ball of nervous energy.
cont.
I'm not an actor or a vocal coach or a director so I lack the expertise to create a voice for a character and lack the vocabulary necessary to describe what I think could work better. That said, I don't think I have to have that sort of background to be able to have the opinion that the current voice just isn't working. I don't have to know how to bake to know that a loaf of bread tastes bad, nor should I be expected to know how it could be fixed in order to be able to have that opinion. As a single consumer, all I can say is that it tastes off. It's up to the baker to check out the loaf and decide whether they want to do anything about that.
It's entirely possible Shrike is exactly how Zeurel wants him and if that's the case, c'est le vie. But I'm far from being the only one who hates the current voice so I think it's at least worth consideration.
It is not fine for what it is, the only thing it has going for it is animation, it is dogshit in every single other aspect. You dont need to be a seasoned critic to see that, thats how bad it is.
What about it is dogshit exactly.
bad music, unfunny jokes, poor pacing, no stakes, trash design, poor writing, uninteresting main characters, forgettable secondary characters, irritating voice acting, etc
Honestly think that if they gave the buff lizard lady boobs the popularity would have gone up at least 5%
Just put more shots of her feet
Change Shrike's VA or get the current VA to do a different voice.
Coom material. If zeurel animates fat breasts gainaxing or some shit, coomers like me would watch the episodes all the way through, draw/commission fanart of the coom material, talk about how hot the Monkey Wrench booba character is.
>Make the skinny main character less ugly.
>Have a plot and make every episode revolve around it. Not just have a vague reference to something, then have the episode be about something else.
>Give the main characters motives that make sense. In episode 1 they had no reason to look after that annoying bird and fight off all those bounty hunters when they could have sold him and made much more money.
Vivzie is getting double teamed now? Nice.
You don't always have to bring her up
Tbf, Vivzie is really just the indie equivalent to John K
They’re a pioneer in their field and a icon of their time who a lot of people still like to clown on for, a good deal of the time, completely justified reasons
That's not fair. Vivzie actually makes shit.
Emphasis on 'shit'.
Viv isn’t the john k of modern animation at all, what the frick are you smoking?
Nothing she has done is “pioneering” anything in animation. She’s not the first independent cartoon studio. She’s not even the first independent animation studio that went from web publishing to mainstream distribution. The technical qualities of the animation are very standard.
I’ve genuinely seen more people wearing fricking RWBY merch in my town over anybody even hinting that they know viv’s work exists.
Hes a tribalhomosexual thats why he specifically mentioned Viv
As if getting her reputation demolished by the screenshots the lackadaisy crew got of and spread of her wasnt enough
She just keeps losing, whike lacka is winning
what are you talking about even?
NTA but after some drama started where I think Vivzie tried to claim one of Lackadaisy's animators(zebirdbrain) was transphobic over liking a couple of tweets, some screenshots of Vivzie saying actual transphobic stuff started circulating. Many assumed the two were correlated given the timing.
lol @ the haters making shit up again, Vivzie is a huge Lackadaisy supporter, even donated like 5k to their campaign and was basicaly the first name to share it giving them the initial boost they needed. Im not even exagerating when i say that they wouldn't have even achieved their goal let alone surpassed it without Viv's support.
>donated like 5k to their campaign
To get her name in the credits, just like zebirdbrain said.
>they wouldn't have even achieved their goal let alone surpassed it without Viv's support.
They made a million in like the first 2 days. Are you disingenuous or just stupid?
Yeah after Viv gave them the spotlight, im not sure why you are being agressive if we are saying the same thing?
That's pretty paranoid, she just wants to help an up and comer group of artists.
troll on
>Viv gave them the spotlight
b***h didnt even link the backerkit and after the lead animator called her out on that and linked it Viv's fans harrassed her until the animator deleted the reply
She sold off hazbin, that ship is out of her control
Don’t feed the trolls
>even donated like 5k to their campaign
She did this after getting caught talking shit about Lackadaisy's director. It was an effort to save face.
>shryk speaking random spanish is good
Remember, he's Mexican but totally NOT his whole personality
>not even 500 people watching this mid livestream
Can't get viewers for this show even when Lackadaisy is backing it up lmao
Would
Just make it about her.
cutie
she unironicaly would've saved the show
finally, something to work with. Glad Zeurel is willing to lean on more conventionally attractive designs.
Shit just got real; I will now watch their show.
One of the most attractive designs I've seen.
>Episode 6
homie, this shit ain't ever coming out. Unless Zeurel befriends a billionaire to fund his show like that Big Mouth guy did.
>Unless Zeurel befriends a billionaire to fund his show like that Big Mouth guy did.
The lackadaisy crossover is pretty much his attempt at getting there
Should have been in episode 1. You absolutely need a near-human character in those wacky alien space adventure type shows for more people to latch on to.
The crossover fanart is already starting
Interesting
Joel skeleton
will he voice the character? more importantly WILL HE INGEST THE PEPIS????
zeurel said he would be voiced by a "funny sweed" so more than likely
>funny sweed
That could either be Joel or pewdiepie and it's pretty obviously the latter.
In my opinion, all swedes are "funny" swedes
How about someone who actually knows how to voice act. I guess this is equivalence of PR celebrity casting.
>scythelord
What was Joel's band's name again?
Scythelord
so cute seeing them larp as animators after making less than a real short's worth of work
The lackadaisy pilot is a fully animated 23 minutes. Most of the people who worked on it have been involved in other indie and mainstream productions. Monkey Wrench totals nearly 40 minutes runtime plus Zeurel has made tons of shorts. Most of the Monkey Wrench crew also works professionally in both indie and mainstream animation.
What the frick are you talking about?
Imagine bootlicking frauds, couldn't be me.
Well atleast you gotta admit it's better than Murder Drones
why is it shilled and treated like the best new Cinemaphile show of the 2020's?
because it's mediocre, and in indie terms that means it's great
I've never heard of it before looking at this thread, checked out the current episodes and found it enjoyable. It's well made, and has a good story with good characters. That's all I care about, honestly.
What's mediocre about it?
>painful dialouge and humor
>alright mystery plot and world building
>boring music
>annoying edgy MC
Just not that good
>painful dialogue and humor
Subjective in the Pilot, tone and dialogue massively improve by Ep 2 and beyond due to focus on the mystery plot rather than quirky meta humor.
>Annoying edgy MC
Angsty yes, but people find her cute. I don't find her annoying but that's your taste.
>Boring music
Literally just wrong, the music is absolutely excellent especially for an Indie webtoon. What are you even talking about? This shit bangs.
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oh shit, are we sharing favourite tracks from the MD OST now?
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>Boring music
Way to out yourself as having absolutely no fricking taste, Murder Drones' OST is genuinely really good.
..How the frick is the music boring?
“mediocre” doesn’t automatically mean “bad”, I know misuse of the word has made it a synonym for “bad” but thats not what the word actually means. Middling, median, right in the middle.
its a perfectly fine series but Cinemaphile tends to overhype any competent show and make it sound like some mind-blowing triumph when most of the time they mean “it was good”.
I tend to ignore anything Cinemaphile hypes up because half the time its garbage and the other half its just fine with some issues.
In this case, Murder Drones is actually consistently high quality - not mediocre or middling. Sometimes Cinemaphile praise is genuine.
The studio hires shills to spam social media.
It really isn't, it's really telling you have to try comparing your failing indie toon to an indie toon that's actually successful.
If you're talking about Murder Drones, that's because it actually is one of the best recent cartoons especially in the indie & Youtube animation sphere.
>it actually is one of the best recent cartoons
As if.
You cope with your own failure, as if the indie animation you shill for hasn't decayed and failed you.
But I am already freed, for the machine is immortal.
If you have to make yourself feel better by proclaiming the show you like (which is currently failing as nobody is watching it or supporting it) is better than another show - then just know that you look like a delusional nut when you denounce everyone who likes and supports a well-made, successful indie show as a "shill" while unironically shilling for a show that doesn't have the same amount of people enjoying and watching it. I'm sure everyone else must be wrong, and you must be right. Or you're just coping and just upset a show you don't like is better than Monkey Wrench.
When did i call you a shill?
NTA, but I think that was for this guy
Because it's actually very good, and has robots I can bust a nut to. So, it's Cinemaphile certified.
>it actually is
interrogators identify qualifying words like "actually" "seriously" and "honestly" as red flags. They indicate that someone is being deceitful and are often added to sentences in an effort to make the statement seem more truthful.
A person who confidently believed this would simply say "that's because it is", not "that's because it *actually* is".
You never see people be this autistic about the show's problems in Murder Drones despite having more to complain about
Probably because it's a good, entertaining show. While this isn't.
I've yet to see anyone actually mention what's so terrible about Monkey Wrench exactly, you're just all weirdly vague about it.
Just say you want to frick the robots and frick off
The animation of Monkey Wrench is done extremely well, unfortunately the character designs and general art style are ugly and offputting (especially on the male characterd, most of the female characters are passable or good-looking).
The characters themselves are boring and uninteresting (the big guy who's name I always forget because he's that forgettable) or downright annoying (Shrike.) This also doesn't help with how equally boring and uninteresting the actual show is. The setting itself is truthfully shown to be quite cool looking with lots of potential, but Monkey Wrench utterly fumbles at gaining and maintaining the audience's interest because
1. They don't care about the main characters
2. They don't even care about the female coom-potential side characters, which is impressive in itself
3. The episodic plot just doesn't hook the viewer at all. Nobody cares.
All these things get CONSTANTLY brought up whenever Monkey Wrench is mentioned, you acting like everyone is shitting on it with "no reasoning" is sad and bordering on delusion. Maybe if Zeurel learned from criticism and improved after the poor performance of the first episode it wouldn't be such a failure. I'm sorry the show about robots is actually able to learn from criticism and improves constantly, which is why people seem to enjoy it and you hate that.
And I do want to frick the robots.
Jesus man, he's already dead
You're not funny
>All these things get CONSTANTLY brought up whenever Monkey Wrench is mentioned,
You're the first one I've seen prioritizing coom-potential characters as a big deal, and considering you admit you jack off to the robots that shows your twisted perspective on these.
>learn from criticism
Nobody can gain anything from your criticism. You say it's bad and forgettable but have yet to mention any reasons why. Why are the characters bad, why is it boring? You just say it is and that's it, so what the frick is anyone supposed to learn from that?
Waifu gays, worthless as always
>prioritising coom
>doesnt actually read any of the post
Wow moron, it's almost like all of that flew over your head and you completely missed that I was referring to it being pathetic that Monkey Wrench can't even drum up interest through using coom - which is notoriously easy to do to get easy attention and support for your cartoon show. Monkey Wrench is so boring and poorly done that not even coomers are attracted to it. Cope some more. You're just upset because people lile something else that isn't the show you like.
>You're just upset because people lile something else that isn't the show you like.
That's literally you the whole thread. Cope pathetic coomer.
>That's literally you the whole thread
...So you admit it? Okay, thanks for just saying you're coping. That explains enough.
>..So you admit it?
Didn't admit shit, seems like you're coping hard schizo. Then again what else can you expect from someone proud of being a coomer.
How fricking stupid can you be holy shit
Holy shit you're dumb
Holy shit you're moronic
no
wow frick you.
Were you too stupid to attach the image file the first place?
Kek are you actually that upset ypu're lashing out at random anons? Are you underage?
>ypu're
You're definitely underage if you can't even spell right.
Hi Vivzie, when's the fat belly reveal?
I agree. I would say it's like those dispersion triangle things. You could also view it as a series of gates:
>First gate: Characters are bad. Shrike is not an owl like his name. He looks like Earthworm jim with his head blown off and he acts like a crack addict. Beebe looks like a Minecraft character that was realistically rendered as a joke. Then you put in your first and only episode a naked bird character whose gimmick is screeching annoyingly, which is what Shrike does, so we get two loads of that. You cant have a show start where so many characters are irritating. Th well designed second bananas only highlight that the show could be better, which is even more irritating.
There is also the thought that its artstyle and themes are way out of style. The grungy scifi thing have been better accepted 30 years ago in the 90s. No one likes grody now and scifi is exceptionally dead now. It's well done but it's not playing the game.
It's not totally terrible. It has a lot of competence in some areas (especially animation), but some other areas are lacking (writing in particular). As the end result, it's too average to catch people's attention. That's a serious issue. The show must be able to capture an audience and generate income. If it fails to do so, there's a possibility that they can't afford making more of it. Zeurel himself has said that the show isn't getting as much attention as it needs to get:
Since the show's creator brought it up, it's relevant to discuss why the show isn't more popular, and what could be done to increase its appeal. Spotting flaws and fixing them is always an essential aspect of improvement. A lot of the criticism that I've seen is made by people who sincerely want the show to become a success. I don't know why there are so many anons in Monkey Wrench threads who take the criticism personally and try to argue that the show is fine as it is.
I think people who worked on it try to influence these threads.
Doing stuff because you want to rather than appealing to the audience is true creator kino, you’re lame as hell if you think a show sucks just because it’s not appealing to tumblr.
And face it, that is what the popular indie cartoons are doing. You can like them if you want, but the tumblr appeal is in their DNA.
It's nice to do your own thing. But if there's money involved, you still need to think about who's your intended target audience and how to get their attention. Otherwise your project's gonna be facing an existential threat. If a show doesn't appeal to people, it won't have fans who are willing to pay for it. This means the creator will eventually run out of money, which will force him to end the show.
I suppose some people might think that it's glorious to be a starving artist whose vision is so amazing that nobody understands it. But I don't get the vibe that Zeurel wants to be one of those. He wants the show to be more popular. He has said so.
I'm kinda wondering if this anon was correct
I struggle to remember any other Cinemaphile properties where people are so defensive and oversensitive about criticism. If those anons are working on the show, that would explain their reaction.
>I struggle to remember any other Cinemaphile properties where people are so defensive and oversensitive about criticism.
Murder Drone fans. They throw a fit and accuse of you being this gay or that schizo if you criticize the show in their threads. I genuinely dont know, their show has none of the problems this one has. Im not trying to be a tribalhomosexual btw just pointing that out.
>Im not trying to be a tribalhomosexual
He says as he starts tribegayging. You're part of the problem.
No, I was answering his question. He asked if there are any other Cinemaphile properties with anal overdefensive fans and I mentioned one
You're literally the same single anon in the entirety of this thread crying about any criticism of Monkey Wrench, completely ignoring the valid points people bring up about it, just to randomly bring up random shows like Murder Drones to complain about them. It's painfully obvious and easy to tell that you're literally just the same dude that is super butthurt about MD for some reason, it's pathetic to watch. Get a new script.
>EVERYBODY IN THIS THREAD IS ONE GUY!!!
>EVERYBODY I DISAGREE WITH IS ONE GUY!!!
Sounds like the only schizo here is (you)
The fact you think you're fooling anyone is hilarious, you just say the same shit. Like I said, get a new script if you want to be believable.
I walk away for 10 minutes and you're already latching on to someone else. Seems you'll just sperg out no matter what so I'll let the others deal with you.
I'm not your boogeyman, moron. Just nobody in this thread likes you or believes your bullshit.
>I'll let the others deal with you
woah scary lmfao what an unbelievable homosexual you are. Meds, now please Monkeywrenchgay.
Oh wow you really kept going, hilarious
>The others
>Literally just you
fricking topkek
homie all thread it's been about your pathetic excuse of criticism rather than actively defending Murder Drones. Nobody here claims it's a masterpiece or a perfect show, it's just that the hate for it is incredibly autistic. At best people think it's fine and enjoyable, you're the one who has this seething crusade over some random indie show. Frick off already.
>you have an evil crusade against poor struggling artist!!!
>theres nothing wrong without its just aitist haters!!!
Like clockwork. Have yet to see any response to the criticism beyond "s-shut up youre just a s-schizo"
>Have yet to see any response to the criticism
What criticism? You're just saying it's bad without saying anything about why it's bad. Literally the only sort of real criticism of the entire thread is the post about "stakes", everything else is just
>characters bad, humor bad, hire writers
That's nothing. Your continued seething over some random show is what's funny about all this, not Monkey Wrench being some darling show worthy of being defended. This type of autism is hilarious regardless of what show you'd be attacking.
Well go on and defend it. Praise the jokes and the characters and the design and the writing and the pacing the way that other anon criticised it for the lack of stakes or the anons in the other thread critcised it. Surely thats going to be easy for you?
>still misses the point
Classic schizo.
It's not about praising it, it's about your seething hatred for it being odd and moronic. You just say the characters suck but don't mention what about their writing and characterization sucks, you just say they suck and that the show is a failure. That's not criticism or anything worth a damn, you're just moaning. And you've acted with a huge ego over it. If you actually explained any specific reason why the characters don't work or plot is dumb, then fine. But you just say vague shit and act like that's "criticism".
I think the show is fine, it wants to be a space comedy and it does that job well enough. It's not amazing and it's not above criticism, but your type of hatred is so autistic that it's just pathetic.
So you have nothing good to say about the show beyond
>space comedy good
There's no way this homosexual is for real, he just repeats the same cope for the entirety of the thread. It almost seems like a falseflag against Monkey Wrench to get people to dislike it more.
>still going at it
Pathetic
I've never seen Murder Drones or participated in any discussion about it. I don't know anything about it and can't comment on it at all.
I don't think anons hate Monkey Wrench. It's more like they're indifferent and apathetic towards it, or disappointed that it's not as good as they were hoping.
However, if you continue promoting the show this way, I think you might actually make people hate it. Is that your actual goal here?
>It's more like they're indifferent and apathetic towards it,
If they were apathetic towards it they wouldn't stick around a thread for hours to talk about how much they don't care about it.
>if you continue promoting the show this way
If you're that dumb to believe I'm someone working on this show and "promoting it" then that's on you. I ain't related to shit, I just find fascinating the amount of seething this random show has. I'd be equally as intrigued if this were for any other indie cartoon out there. MW was just the target these weirdos got.
>I think you might actually make people hate it. Is that your actual goal here?
Honestly it seems like that the way this Black person has been seething the entire thread
oh god what have i done
Murder Drone fans are true schizos
homie you're actually obsessed, stop being a gay.
Proof right there
Nobody cares about your Murder Drones hateboner, samegayging Black person.
Nobody cares about your Murder Drones boner Black person.
Your b***hing is honestly pathetic at this point. Didn't you bring it up in the first place and compare the two shows? I'm not even a huge fan of either, but one is successful while one isn't - and you're complaining about the successful one because the one you like isn't doing well or being watched by many people. Grow the frick up. Quite a few anons have explained their criticisms of Monkey Wrench here, and also explained why it isn't doing well or gaining an audience. Zeurel refuses to learn from it. This waffle about other shows is sad.
What are you on about, all I said was I can't believe people choose to watch murder drones cause I think the show blows chunks. I'm not even the same person, although you'll have to believe me cause I use CinemaphileX
>still going on
Mindbroken
Aren't you the one that keeps bringing it up and samegayging? Mindbroken. I'm sorry people generally agree the show you like sucks.
You will never be a part of the industry
lol what do you mean, even if you don't like it, it's pretty professional
>Zeurel
>LAPRing
OUT
They’re more animators than anyone at CalArts. They do all their own work. They don’t ship things off to Korea.
You know that a bunch of people who worked on these productions went to CalArts, right?
It's almost like the school is just a school and isn't the boogieman Cinemaphile likes to pretend it is.
Damn… now I want some pizza
He could've made the girl the MC and the two guys the goofy sidekicks
Something like she has a job for them but they see her as a damsel in distress and cute freeloader.
Who's leaking his patreon
I'm sorry but Beebus clashes with the entire universe. He's like from a different cartoon. Was his skull replaced with a toaster or box or something?
I was listening to the podcast last night and they talk about how white isn't flavorful but latinx is. Which character did they make "latinx" coded?
Shrike if it wasn't obvious by him speaking Spanish once every few lines
and its so bad also,
dora the explorer does a better job at making english and spanish mixed speaking natural. and his shitty accent is jarring as frick
>flavorfull
What does that even mean? Cartoon characters are food now? That just reverse racism coming from a white guy
Inhuman looking women aren't appealing to normies.
Sad!
Best girl
She should be back soon.
The container she was supposed to be looking for is definitely going to be the same one the L.A.W. guys dumped on Shrike and Beebs
Vivzie is stuffing her face with junkfood in anger while watching this (not that I mind)
All indie animators suck wiener, except my homie Worthikids tbh
>Worthikids
Just when I think one of their little skits is going to be a flop, something about the writing or visuals will manage to hook me with at least one chuckle-worthy gag.
It's the consistency of quality that sets Worthikids apart.
>consistency
Dude, he posts 4 minutes every 2 years or so lol
New girl is cute
I'll take some requests
Coolio man, how about this:
Have her doing some maintenance on her arm in a sleeveless top and jean shorts.
nice!
super cute
love ya anon
I wanna see her hugging Shrike. The dude needs some love.
Now draw them kissing
You read my mind
Only good poster of the entire thread
Hope it happens in the show too
her getting puched in the face, either in a realistic or cartoony way
draw her lifting weights
workout clothes mandatory
Monkey Wrench's rousing failure really boils my blood. I thought you frickers WANTED more original shit. What happened?
I do want more original shit and I will continue to watch Monkey Wrench episodes if they continue coming out because I want to support original indie animation. That said, I will also continue airing grievances when people ask what's wrong with it. Monkey Wrench has several critical flaws that anons seem to unanimously agree with.
I think most people want this show to be successful which is why criticism seems to be oddly constructive considering where we are. It's possible that either Zeurel is unaware that these criticisms exist, or simply unwilling to stray from the staunch vision he has, but the simple fact is that the show is failing on it's own merits. It's not a failure of networking or visibility or other external circumstances...it's just not very entertaining.
>Monkey Wrench has several critical flaws that anons seem to unanimously agree with.
Anons seem to fail to mention any of them.
We want good original shit. Not original shit that is literal shit in every way but animation
It's just bad and not engaging. It took me 6 separate attempts to sit through episode 1, i didnt even bother with two, this shit is dead in the water. Zeruel needs to either get a writer and start a new series, or spend 5 years learning how to write by doing smaller things.
>It took me 6 separate attempts to sit through episode 1
So you have brain damage, got it
Seems like you have brain damage considering how Zeurel is thinking of canning this show
>how Zeurel is thinking of canning this show
Oh wow, now this schizo has evolved into conspiracy theories. That's hilarious.
Yes Im sure Zeurel's twitter account was hacked by the ebil 4chud haters
He's literally selling merch to fund his episodes right now you massive moron. As quick as a Twitter search but you're too fat and lazy to do that.
https://twitter.com/Zeurel/status/1699058970147873127
>He's literally selling merch to fund his episodes right now you massive moron
Yeah man, all three of the people who will buy these plushes. And Zeurel will make like what? $50?
So you went from
>he's totally cancelling his project
to
>haha his funding is gonna fail
Nice goalpost. He's also almost reached his goal.
lmfao. And how long will it take for the merch to get enough money to fund his project? We gonna see the next episode in 2025? You really think Zeurel has enough dickrider fans to keep the hype alive the Vivziepop does about her show that will never come out?
>You really think Zeurel has enough dickrider fans to keep the hype alive
He's almost reached his goal in selling those out and has 5 days to go, so yeah.
This entire thread also started due to the collab between him and Lackadaisy which happened because he has enough clout to hang out with those.
>dude we need a quarter of a thousand grand to make the next 10 minutes animation
>Here's a 2 minute animation shilling we managed to make for free btw
Fricking transparent frauds.
Only 20 seconds of that 2 minute video is animated, what animation there is in that video is of a character sitting behind a desk not doing anything too hard to animate. Also, Zuerel animates all the promo videos himself. He needs the money to pay other animators to work for him so he won't have to do more of the work himself so he can get it out quicker you moron.
bootlickers
>I mean it's one animation, anon. What could it cost? Ten dollars?
>anon doesn't know the difference between a short animation of a character behind a desk and an entire animated episode with multiple backgrounds and more than 2 characters interacting
Kek
My man, this shit was incredibly boring. I love his other stuff but this thing is just bad.
I just don't really understand creators who seemingly spend an inordinate amount of time shitposting on social media instead of... you know... working? Shouldn't Viv be extremely busy overseeing both Hazbin and Helluva?
>There are people in this world who unironically
>without being forced
>based on their choice via free will
>COMPLETELY VOLUNTARILY
>watch Murder Drones
Both watch it and shit on other indie shows
Hey, it’s a good show, outside the pilot, I don’t see the problem.
Is....Okay, in all reality the most outputting thing was
A. Zoomer humor
B. "Umm..So that just happened"
But they deminished slowly, so it was only really noticable during the first episode. But with the more serious change to the series, the tonal whip splashbecame far worse, so i guess a teeth for a teethIn all reality the only thing the series manages to capt my interest, is that his creator has done some schizo stuff, so i want to see the eventual tone shift
I watched Monkey Wrench but the gay robots are way easier on the eyes than what ever the hell that half eaten slim jim of a character
What's gay about them? The male one absolutely slays robo-pussy without even trying.
yes
>tumblr
of course
Post the REAL one, anon.
>tmw you accidentaly turn this thread into an MD one
>Wants 5 seasons to tell the whole story of Monkey Wrench
What the frick is up with these creators wanting so many seasons? This is indie shit! Why do they want to tell such drawn out stories when they have a limited budget?
>Wants 5 seasons to tell the whole story of Monkey Wrench
https://www.youtube.com/live/efPq2r3VGTc?si=aEnnRyRIWLDLiv9H&t=2371
At 39:31 he is asked how many episodes he wants in a season and he wants 10 - 12 episodes for the first season at least and 5 seasons.
What the hell you can cut that shit down to one season if you get rid of the fat or maybe two seasons.
Everyone knows he's a competent animator. Nobody ever said he's a competent show runner. The guy is fricking moronic, and it shows with how hard he's fumbled this show already. A shame too, it had so much potential.
>it had so much potential
Did it really?
I mean, yeah? The setting itself is pretty interesting, there was big potential for an actual story with a good cast of character's people would like. The problem is that all the interest is completely squandered, because Zeurel has absolutely no idea how to attract or keep an audience. I don't even think he knows what audience he wants. If you look at all other currently running indie shows that are actually doing well, you can clearly see how they are produced to attract a target audience. Who the frick is Monkey Wrench for? Fans of Zeurel's old funny animations? There's not that many of them, too niche for a large enough following for a fully produced cartoon show. I don't think the guy actually knows what he wants, and that's the problem.
Both
and
sum it up pretty well.
If he wants five seasons he better have a little more than just wacky random adventures.
Optimistically assuming smash hit success
Change the lead from whatever the frick he is, to a more appealing human or alien. If he wants to go with furries then why not make him a literal shrike-like bird alien?
Monkey Wrench is unwatchable reddit shit
I wonder if the guy who voices Shrike is aware that he, personally, is responsible for the single worst part about Monkey Wrench, or if there’s some cognitive disconnect where he believes everyone who complains about his god-awful voice acting “just doesn’t get it”.
I guess Monkey Wrench is small enough to fly under the radar, but I'm pretty surprised that nobody has called him out for being problematic yet due to his use of Mexican caricature.
Also, someone should tell him he'd look a lot better if he just shaved his head and grew a beard. His little comb-over hat is hanging on for dear life and it's time to put it out of its misery.
kek i was about to say, the neon comb-over is quite a bold move
>vivzie and her simps right now
Vivzie was already depressed over lackadaisy making 2 million and telling her to frick off with her money, this partnership may finally make her commit rope
Im so damn happy for lackadaisy's achievements and the seethe they cause on Viv simps, bros
>and telling her to frick off with her money
that was a weird thing, is it common for donations to get rejected? I haven't even heard of something like that was it the crew rejecting Vivi or just some bank frickery mix up?
Vivzi said really shitty things about the Lackadaisy director behind the scenes. Screenshots were leaked and she was caught with her pants down, so instead of apologizing, she made a grand donation to cover for her gaff.
Team Lackadaisy didn't want to accept the cash because by doing so they'd implicitly be excusing her behavior, so after failing to convince her to take the money back, they simply rejected the donation.
It's like if someone walked up to your wife in a bar, smacked her in the face, then bought the two of you drinks. Would you graciously accept the offer just because a drink is a drink?
>Monkey Wrench thread turned into a MD/Vivzie thread out of nowhere
You tribegays are insufferable.
The thread has been like that from the start due to fanboys of MD talking shit about Monkey Wrench like it killed their baby. Blame those idiots. Like
Interesting how Zeurel wienersuckers whine about how everybody's a hater and that there is no real criticism of the show but fail to actually answer the criticism when its posted.
Why are Monkey Wrench hyperstans like this? They whine and complain about how nobody is watching their show and blame "haters" and when people point out the many things wrong with it they sperg out and start blaming MDgays or Vivziegays or Lackadaisygays or whoever the imagined enemy is today.
Monkey Wrench is a bad show, full stop. Zeurel himself is complaining about it being a failure
None of the people ripping into it hate it, they simply understand that its not a good product. The fact that people like you cant understand that or refuse to acknowledge that and just stick your fingers into your ears and go "HATERS MDgayS VIVgayS" thinking that any criticism of the show is orchestrated by some shadowy enemy just shows how braindead you are.
Pathetic schizos
The absolute state of Monkey Wrench stans
The absolute state of Monkey Wrench haters
it's just gays like
trying to start shit.
I know it sucks but zeruel shouldve absolutely made smaller shorts first to gage interest before committing to this huge expensive pilot. Theres plenty of others who went that route instead and it works. Hell, chkng ngt did nothing but tiny shitposty shorts, and now has a full season deal after continuous popularity proved people will watch.
Liam vickers did a whole pilot solol, but outside of that he had a tony of short voice only stories and storyboarded animations. He isnt known for parody works but was doing original stuff from the get go and really built his image at being able to create such stuff, and its why murder drones was such a success.
As far as i know zeruel never really did originals before monkey wrench.
Dont bother posting in this thread Monkey Wrench schizos are gonna lose their shit because you arent sucking Zeurels wiener
It's literally a single guy having an autistic sperg-out. I'm genuinely not sure if it's bait at this point, guy is literally just a broken record player.
He certainly doesnt sound like the anons in previous monkey wrench threads who were defending the show, those guys had actual arguments instead of just screeching nonsense. This guy cant even praise his show
he's just trying to start a tribewar between indie shows
Dont bother posting in this thread Monkey Wrench haters are gonna lose their shit because you aren't clowning on Zeurel
Lackadaisy sisters, we won.
Now can someone make more fanfics with Rocky getting raped by Viktor? the one im reading doesnt have enougth on-screen rape unironically.
Viktor wouldn’t do something like that.
Unfortunely, but someone needs to teach Rocky his place!
This dude's cope is unreal.
I know, his Monkey Wrench hatred is sad
We're talking about you.
Hot take:
I'm going to watch Monkey Wrench
I'm going to watch Hazbin
I'm going to watch Helluva
I'm going to watch Lackadaisy
I'm going to watch Murder Drones
I'm going to watch Boxtown
and if Long Gone Gulch manages to move forward, I'll watch that too.
Animation isn't a zero sum game.
Based take anon, death to tribalhomosexuals and oversensitive ultrafans
Although I sincerely doubt you'll be watching Boxtown. Or Hazbin.
>I sincerely doubt you'll be watching Boxtown. Or Hazbin.
why? Hazbin will come out eventually and despite not hitting their second crowdfunding goal, Boxtown is in production.
>Boxtown is in production.
It is? Thought they gave up. As for Hazbin, Im an asoiafgay, once I eagerly awaited the Winds of Winter. I know better now
It didn't get crowdfunded, but apparently it's still in development and it has since been changed into a musical, and since not a lot of people like musicals nowadays. I hope the creators behind it make it fun so audiences will have an interest in it.
They are working on some storyboards still but are animating scenes. It's been changed to 3D animation instead of 2D.
It's in production. I think the current plan is to use Blender to cut down on animation costs. There is a musical number planned but it's hard to say whether it will actually be a full-on musical or if the tweet that the creator/director put out was hyperbole.
I kind of hope it doesn't end up being a full-on musical. I think a rare musical number like early Bob's Burgers was kind of fun, but now that they have a song in nearly every fricking episode it just feels unearned.
I still haven't gotten through Centaurworld because the songs in the first few episodes just obliterated the momentum and took me out of the moment.
yeah I saw some of the 3d/blender stuff or assets they were using, though I thought it was from a different project.
You know theyre going to shove in as many songs as they can
If they hire the guy who did the trash cans song to do the music, I might just kill myself. I think his name was Kevin Timmy Turner Tunes or something
Kevin Temmer. And what's wrong with using him? He's one of the best 3D animators out there right now. Not like they would be able to get him anyway, he's too busy animating for Murder Drones and Amazing Digital Circus.
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I don’t know, he just gives off pompous douche vibes
>If they hire the guy who did the trash cans song to do the music, , I might just kill myself
>what's wrong with using him? He's one of the best 3D animators out there right now
I don't know who this is, but your logic doesn't stack up. That's like hiring someone to cut your hair because they're a talented plumber.
It might be a little of column A/little of column B. I think some of the initial 3d/blender stuff was done by a fan, but they've since been brought on to actually work on the show. How much of that stuff is actually going to be used in the series is hard to say.
I'm also waiting to pass judgement because I know that 3d/blender stuff can look completely different once it's fully textured/shaded/rendered/filtered, etc. Blender put out an official animation with two of their proprietary characters recently that looked insanely good.
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>You know theyre going to shove in as many songs as they can
We'll see. At the very least, if they insist on having musical numbers hopefully they actually get musicians to write them. This whole trend of 'someone on the animation team who plays guitar, has a microphone, and is "pretty good" with garageband' writing songs for productions is getting really fricking old. The songs end up being really boring and cookie-cutter because the person doing it has an extremely limited perspective of what music can be. Hire someone who actually knows what the frick they're doing.
>This whole trend of 'someone on the animation team who plays guitar, has a microphone, and is "pretty good" with garageband' writing songs for productions is getting really fricking old
>Kevin Temmer
Frick. I guess I spoke too soon. God dammit. RIP.
>Boxtown
What is that?
It's a proposed indie animated series loosely based on a spoof detective/noir world. No, it's not black and white or gritty. Yes, the characters are kind of bubbly in shape and bright in colors.
It got some backlash on Cinemaphile because Alex Hirsch and Tara Strong were brought on board to voice characters which apparently is a bad thing? Some people incorrectly assumed this was Hirsch's project. There are like 1 or 2 reeeally dedicated 'spergs who really love shitting on it. One of them who was especially vocal about how much he hated the art accidentally doxxed himself and, surprise surprise, he is the world's shittiest artist and a furry (notable because nearly all of his 'art' is yiff-related). Pic related...it's one of the rare non-explicit drawings but they're all of similar quality.
It's hard to say how it will end up, but I'd like to see at least one episode. I think the idea has potential.
>Furries
kek. Always.
>he doesn't know
If someone draws an anthropomorphized character, that does not necessarily indicate that they are a furry.
If someone draws anthropomorphized characters gangbanging while wearing diapers, it DOES indicate that they are a furry.
>Animation isn't a zero sum game.
Indie market is. Competition, ever heard of it?
Every dolar going to lackadaisy was a dollar not.going to Vivzie's fat ass, and thats a good thing.
You clearly don't know what a zero sum game is.
People can support multiple things you fricking idiot. You tribalgays are more braindead than battleboarders.
>Every dolar going to lackadaisy was a dollar not.going to Vivzie's fat ass, and thats a good thing.
'dolar(s)'[sic] getting distributed to productions indicates a sum total which is literally the opposite of a zero sum game you fricking moron.
Let us know which one you liked the best and why.
If he has any taste he'll put all of Viv's shit on the lowest rank
Best to Worst
Murder Drones
Lackadaisy
Long Gone Gulch
Helluva Boss
Monkey Wrench
Hazbin Hotel
They're different shows and I like them for different reasons. It's hard to pit them in a grudge match and I kind of don't want to.
I'm the most eager to see more from Long Gone Gulch. Zach and Tara do really cool shit and I really want to see what they could do with a show of their own. I also wouldn't mind seeing more fun series set in that olde western town type setting. The desert is an underappreciated landscape for animated storytelling.
Ultra based, give it a chance before you shit on it. Ive been happily surprised with shows I thought I would hate before.
Monkey Wrench fans, congratulations! You have officially been inducted into Cinemaphile culture with the birth of your new schizo! Now you can join the ranks of Homosuck (Guy), Forbidden Horsey Show (Barneygay), HH/HB (Stolasgay), Smiling Friends (Neopuritangay), and many others!
Rejoice! From this day on every single thread you guys make is going to be soiled and derailed by a moron who imagines himself to be very funny whinging and crying about the haters!
>Perfectly good thread ruined by shizo baiters and drama gayging queens
A thread ruined, by the will of a single man.
i'm sorry you wasted so much time and energy into something lame
Redpill me on murder drones
Okay.
Eldritch Horror kino created by Liam Vickers (the guy that created Cliffiside, Internecion Cube, and wrote a bunch of stories for his old channel Scary Story Time with Liam), initially disguised under a straightforward premise of cute robots trying to survive against murderous monster vampire robots (that also happen to be cute). The plot evolves into a mystery the characters have to figure out, as it's gradually revealed that the initial premise of the show from the first episode was a complete lie perpetuated by the true antagonist of the show that is manipulating events behind the scenes - an Eldritch deity / god / abomination that wants to consume the Universe and everything in it.
Watch until Episode 3 if you want to get the entire gist and decide whether it's for you or not.
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oh shit, I just realized I've been mentally combining Liam Vickers and Karl Hadrika.
I can.. sort of see it?
there's honestly no good reason for it. I think I came across both of them around the same time I just stuck them in the same mental box for no discernible reason.
Thank you both for replying but after viewing I don’t think it is for me
Shows initial premise is worker robots live on an exoplanet abandoned by humanity due to nuclear winter or whatever. Human central command finds the planet again and fearing the robots have rebelled, send in dissasembly robots. Worker robots hide in bunkers from the vampiric Murder Drones Attack on Titan style.
Or thats what it seems like initially, the show is densely loaded with information and rewatching episodes is a good idea. Also it has a lot of insane superpowered cute girls, which was the specialty of its creator back when he was writing creepypastas
I'm
. I was not talking about Murder Drones.
Sorry about that then
It's almost like people were asking questions tangentially related to indie animation on a thread about an indie animation, and recieved answers. You moronic newbie.
It's not like there's much to discuss regarding Monkey Wrench anyway, everything has already pretty much been said. Let people discuss what they want.
Half the posts you linked aren't even about Murder Drones, they're about a different show you dipshit. If you don't even know what people are talking about, why complain? Thread's dead anyway.
What is the general consensus on the best and the worst character of MonkeyWrench? A lot of anons have said Shrike is the worst but I actually really like him and think he's charming. Plus a good chunk of the MW fanart I see is of him anyway so clearly he isn't that bad.
His design is clearly based on Vash the stampede but that doesn't matter because Vash's design kicks ass and I want more characters that look like him. His personality isn't irritating to me but I can see why the general consensus is he's annoying
To me the best character on monkey wrench is Beebs, I don't know why but i like the competent smart bruiser type of this character.
He reminds me of jet from cowboy bebop
Shrike's design is whatever, but his voice is
T H E
F U C K I N G
W O R S T
I don't think I'll ever get used to it. It's incredibly grating and the cartoonishly mexican-isms don't add anything to the character. Giving him an accent or having him speak spanglish is fine since it makes about as much sense as an alien speaking english with a midwestern neutral accent, but the actual voice actor needs to be replaced with someone who can see the character as something more than an Adam Sandler sketch.
He must be a personal friend of Zeurel's or something because I don't know how the frick else he booked that gig. This is the same sort of thing that brought down Final Space when Olan Rogers cast HIMSELF as the main fricking character. He was clearly the worst actor of the ensemble and because he was the lead it just absolutely destroyed the fricking show. At this point it seems highly unlikely the voice of Shrike will be replaced so I guess that's that. He'll continue to act and people will continue to complain, and eventually the show will shut down. Perhaps Zeurel will have better luck with his next show.
The crystal gal was the best
what a fricking moron. Did you actually read any of the posts you linked?
Only one of those posts was not about murder drones, the rest were about that show or anything related to that. There was an entire other thread to take your autism.
>It's not like there's much to discuss regarding Monkey Wrench anyway
Then fricking leave the monkey wrench thread
No, people will discuss what they want especially when the discussion is about general indie animation. If someone asks for information about something they'll usually get an answer. Stop being such a crybaby you little homosexual. You can choose to ignore a chain of replies of anons discussing something and look at something else instead of sperging out about it. Also no, read the posts you linked. Half of them, 4 of them, aren't even about Murder Drones as the subject. Absolute bumbling autist, you lack the basic reading comprehension to even get what you're crying about correct.
man shut the frick up. literally just shut the frick up. nobody cares. i don't even care what you're arguing about, just talk about fricking monkey wrench or lackadaisy or get the frick out
do you consider this shit enrichment? what do you get on the internet for, to have a miserable fricking time?
anyway, pretty excited that one-eye from robo western is back. i was obsessed with that short when it came out
Nobody is talking to you, newbie.
Jesus christ please consider suicide you fricking redditor, OP really is a gay
His new name is Dead Eye now and he has two eyes now what's kinda neat
>All of the eye catching characters are in later episodes
Not the smartest move for an indie cartoonist imo
Not all of the announced designs are good though. This one seems like a clunky mess to me
i like his head and face a lot at least
delectable
>console wars about shows that barely exist
Was it autism?
i regret making this thread. this is why we can't have nice things.
I think it's nice that independent productions are banding together and trying to lift each-other up. That's how it should be.
I honestly don't get the ridiculous tribalism and it's 100% being pushed by a few bad-faith 'fans'. Actual rivalries are extreme outliers, and for the most part people want to see their peers succeed. Success for one independent animation means the path is cleared for success of more.
yeah, i hate that every thread here gets overridden with this bullshit. i just wanna talk about boozecats and zeurel
even if i have a specific thread topic it always dissolves into discourse and it seriously drives me insane, 'cause i wouldn't be makin threads if i didn't actually enjoy the material. i guess that's not how folks on this board like to operate, though.
You guys are moronic
Also Lackadaisy sucks
Why does Ashley cope avoid collapse like this? It'd do wonders for her readership to piggyback on these media events yet she avoids it like shart in a confessional
Avoid collabs*
are you lost?
I guess, I just thought that having a thread about niche artists collaborating to promote little known projects may pertain a bit to unsounded; but frick me right?
Maybe you could elaborate since none of us know who Ashley is?
Ashley Cope author of unsounded
Ehh don't sweat it, this thread doesn't seem like the time or place.
You jumped in to a conversation with an interjection as if we’ve all been privy to your inner thoughts for the last several hours. Context is a good thing, anon
Do you care her?
I want to.
>that robot arm
Why does Zeurel insist on making this as difficult and time-intensive to produce as possible?
Now that you mention it, that hair would be a b***h to manage in action sequences.