>I'm hungry for freedom like never before >the constraints of my deal surely have a backdoor >soon as I figure out how to unclip my wings >guess who will be pulling all the strings >[accompanied by visual of large monstrous shadow growing larger and more powerful]
None of that confirms power, it’s just stating he wants to be free thinks there’s a way out of his slavery and than it implies lofty ambitions. You could be right and he could have surprised power but there’s 0 proof of that. All we’ve seen is owning a soul means the holder can pull you in and restrain you personal with a soul chain and well summon you any time they want. In fact it’s implied you keep your power since despite being a slave Alastor has Husk as a slave still. Overall no proof one way or the other but if you go by implications It’s implied Alastor he his full power this him being surprised his cane was broken and having full control over Husk.
>In fact it’s implied you keep your power since despite being a slave Alastor has Husk as a slave still.
That doesn't necessarily follow. Think of it like a corporate takeover. Just because your company gets bought, that doesn't void your company's own subsidiary holdings. If whoever holds Alastor's deal (Lilith) wants him to still be effective, it makes sense she'd leave him control over some useful subordinates. It is kind of questionable that mister ultrascary overlord Radio Demon only has a maid and a cardshark under his control. Though that could just be Viv's shit worldbuilding.
Speaking of which, Husk himself has pretty lame powers for someone who used to be an overlord. About on Angel Dust's level, combat-wise. Either he got nerfed somehow, or overlords back in his day were weaker and he's been fricked over by powercreep.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Alastor has been stated as being weird for an overlord: no real territory, appeared out of nowhere and then just started killing other Overlords, etc. he almost definitely has other people bound in deals, but they're probably less 'direct and total control' than Husk
As for Husk's powers, the third option is just that he hasn't shown his hand (heh, card pun). Overlords all have some kind of transformation and Husk hasn't transformed in a fight yet so he could just be holding back until he gets into a fight with narrative stakes for him personally so it fits to show that off
None of that confirms power, it’s just stating he wants to be free thinks there’s a way out of his slavery and than it implies lofty ambitions. You could be right and he could have surprised power but there’s 0 proof of that. All we’ve seen is owning a soul means the holder can pull you in and restrain you personal with a soul chain and well summon you any time they want. In fact it’s implied you keep your power since despite being a slave Alastor has Husk as a slave still. Overall no proof one way or the other but if you go by implications It’s implied Alastor he his full power this him being surprised his cane was broken and having full control over Husk.
>”Alastor jobbed lol”
He’s not at full power due to being stuck in a deal. He also willing went to attack Adam and even got a few hits in. He only left when he was critically wounded.
Much better than Vox the “chad” who did nothing but hide away with the other Vs and just wanted this to be an opportunity for someone else to kill Alastor so that he doesn’t get tortured and killed by him.
That entire song gave me the impression that he was awestruck that he almost got himself killed trying to defend people he hardly cares about, and that his near death experience has given him a far greater desire and drive to escape from whatever his contract is
I don't at all think he's actually got some special power locked off. If anything, the show made a point to emphasis that Alastor is extremely atypical of Overlords in that he gained all of his power almost as soon as he seemingly arrived.
I guarantee that whatever contract he is stuck in is the reason he has most, or all, of his powers.
>He’s not at full power due to being stuck in a deal. He also willing went to attack Adam and even got a few hits in. He only left when he was critically wounded.
You are delusional. He was throwing everything he had at Adam, and he couldn't even scratch him. Whereas at least Charlie actually caused him to bleed.
Alastor's ego is so huge he genuinely thought he could defeat Adam, without even using a single angelic weapon. Alastor was not expecting to actually be threatened, and the fact he went into a panic attack after he was almost killed all be affirms that.
>meanwhile, lucifer thread is going strong
Lucifergays stay winning
I think we are supposed to look at how Lucifer really is by looking at Alastor. Since Lucifer is still a giant pile of evil who doesn’t actually care about Charlie’s guests or the other sinners in Hell. And if you get someone to beat him 1 on 1, his entire confident personality will completely break.
Possibly not his raw power, but his agency is restricted. If he's not allowed to make new soul deals or something like that, then that's limiting his effectiveness as an overlord if nothing else.
Oh great as if Adamschizo wasn't enough now we have Alastorschizo
He couldn't handle Adam, Alastor would be absolutely fricked by Michael, in every way but literally.
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Alastor simps on full cope mode
Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't one of the unique things about Alastor (besides what
I honestly think that guy might be right, at least for Alastor’s biggest goal (becoming the King of Hell) because of the alastor and Niffty scene in which Niffty places a crown on Alastor’s head.
How Alastor’s greatest sinner rival, Vox, also wants Hell for himself.
Alastor seeking to beat Lucifer in Dad beat Dad
How Lilith/Rosie is involved with Alastor’s life, and trying to develop him in her own sick twisted ways as her ‘son’.
Not to mention, I myself believe that Lucifer will be given a proper demise at some point, since it seems like Adam, the golden goose, will utterly demolish him at some point.
T. AdamBro
said), is that he is also capable of erasing souls, with the same finality as an exorcist? That was a BIG deal when vaggie described him in the pilot. and we don't even know if Lucifer is capable of that power.
If this is the case, then Alastor would be the most potentially powerful being in hell, but for him lacking the muscle/combat prowess of larger players like Lucifer or the Goetia.
I honestly think that guy might be right, at least for Alastor’s biggest goal (becoming the King of Hell) because of the alastor and Niffty scene in which Niffty places a crown on Alastor’s head.
How Alastor’s greatest sinner rival, Vox, also wants Hell for himself.
Alastor seeking to beat Lucifer in Dad beat Dad
How Lilith/Rosie is involved with Alastor’s life, and trying to develop him in her own sick twisted ways as her ‘son’.
Not to mention, I myself believe that Lucifer will be given a proper demise at some point, since it seems like Adam, the golden goose, will utterly demolish him at some point.
T. AdamBro
Lucifer will probably die like a boss when heaven wants to kill, Charlie for Adam’s and all the other angels death. So Lucifer will make a deal and take her place. It’s 100% in character for him from, what we’ve seen in the show and he’ll probably make a little speech before he dies like great job guys it’s something the devil himself would do, what’s the quote again sins of the father?
Lucifer is way too much like the Guardians of the Galaxy 3 villain to be given this kind of respect. But perhaps even worse than that guy, honestly. As that guy felt abandoned by God. Lucifer purposesly fricked what was God’s most beloved son, Adam, and ruined everything for him. Then, also attempted to take the heavens for himself, ending in a war where he and the other Princes (fallen Angels) are stuck in Hell forever, and Lucifer designs hellborns to make the other six princes not go insane from the isolation and loneliness of Hell, which ironically kept them trapped in their sins for eternity to cope about their objectively miserable eternities.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Now now Anon he didn’t frick Adam he fricked Adams wives.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There nakedness is Adam’s nakedness, according to the Bible.
He may covet the throne, but season 1 has at least shown Alastor that he can not usurp it through force, he's a big fish in a tiny pod, and he's not even the biggest fish (he was quite disconcerted when he ran into Zestial for example). Whatever his plans are, will need to rely on cunning and guile, not overt force.
100%, his deal with Charlie is going to be a huge deal regarding this. The terms of the deal pretty much mean he could extract almost anything out of Charlie.
Now, one very interesting plot point that I thought of regarding Alastor and Charlie's contract, is that it implies heavily that Alastor is required to tell Charlie anything that he knows at any time. Which means to maintain the contract, Alastor has to tell Charlie anything he knows if she asks.
It will be worth keeping a eye open in season 2 if we ever see Charlie ask Alastor a question, and Alastor answers it comprehensively. If so then that implies this will be a plot point. Maybe she'll ask Alastor for more information about his human life to try to ""redeem"" him.
Ummm..no? What would have been the point of signing a pact that lessened his powers? The whole reason he is so op is probably because he has a Deal with Lilith or Root and is drawing on that in exchange for servitude.
Full power Alastor will surpass Lucifer and become the next king of hell in season 2. It will take the united forces of all of angels and demons to take him down
Honestly no he’s more like Vegeta, Vegeta is the I’m strong loud frick that just jobs in an actual fight. Raditz however backed it up he beat the shit out of Goku leading to Goku’s death fricked yo piccolo as well. Raditz had to be taken down by Goku sacrificing himself piccolo using a new technique planed to kill Goku and Gohan using his dues ex machina anger boost. Raditz while no longer a threat now not also beat Goku but actually did more damage to Goku than Vegeta did.
Honestly it would’ve been nice if he had a win this season. Even if it was a small just as planned win. Yeah there’s the deal he made with Charlie but it just don’t hold water after he got wrecked by Adam and Adam couldn’t even hold a candle to Lucifer. In retrospect it just made Lucifer’s verse about Alastor being basically a bus boy 100% accurate. It’s hard to take him seriously now it’s like if you read comics think about Hawkeye standing up to Galactus, 1v1 no ultimate builder final destination.
I don't give a shit about power levels. I care about which characters I want to frick the most.
Then tell us who you want to plow to kingdom come
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sir Pentious, but I want to frick him lovingly and with tender care. Cherri Bomb can join in too.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Cherri Bomb can join in too.
Luckily for you, he has two dicks
3 months ago
Anonymous
Perfect for both her holes while I've got his snake tongue wrapped around my schlong and I'm patting his head and playing with the rim of his hood while moaning little encouraging words to make him feel good. It motivates him to keep pleasuring us both like the stud he is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Cherri Bomb can join in too.
Luckily for you, he has two dicks
Perfect for both her holes while I've got his snake tongue wrapped around my schlong and I'm patting his head and playing with the rim of his hood while moaning little encouraging words to make him feel good. It motivates him to keep pleasuring us both like the stud he is.
Oh ok I’m sorry let me rephrase that a win that mattered. Vox so far is clearly there to be a failed fool to Al,he’s done nothing notable if it was his boyfriend maybe it would’ve worked a bit since he’s controlling Angel. Seriously Vox is the most useless V from what we’ve seen. He doesn’t have a power over one of the main characters or outright flipped off an overlord and put them in there place. Vox so far is just a fall guy to make Al look good.
I haven't seen the show and probably never will, but from the pilot i though he'd be crazy popular here. Instead, every thread about alastor is extremely slow and/or dies within 100 replies
It’s because he was all talk, he lost and ra n like a b***h in the finale and icing on the cake he’s somebody’s little b***h he sold his soul. Overall he was a cool concept that failed and we now know why he’s the radio demon because he’s all talk.
Honestly, if he's mad at how Lucifer didn't take him seriously? Michael or ANY of the archangels is gonna piss him off way worse because they're likely not even gonna give him the time of day
He’s not at full power due to being stuck in a deal. He also willing went to attack Adam and even got a few hits in. He only left when he was critically wounded.
Much better than Vox the “chad” who did nothing but hide away with the other Vs and just wanted this to be an opportunity for someone else to kill Alastor so that he doesn’t get tortured and killed by him.
So why did it even work? It never happened before I guess. I feel like it's because Adam was killed but I am not sure about the exact mechanics at play.
You see, sinners are called sinners because they sinned. And their sins keep them in hell. And sins are paid with death in the Bible.
So Adam has to die to pay for those sins.
And because he given up his life, he will keep it, just like Pentious. But the Pentious and other sinners will rise first before Adam.
Turns out heaven has a hard population cap for mortal souls, and Pentious just happened to be the next soul waiting for a respawn who also had the right credentials to slide into Adam's spot.
Turns out Charlie was right, the path to redemption really does Start With Sorry.
And to think people thought this was one of the weaker songs yet turned out to actually work.
How often do "sinners" in hell die heroically after putting aside their vices for a while? Dying specifically to angelic magic? For all the execution days, most that die were shitting their pants running away. A simple formula but one that never actually articulated until this point.
>Charlie discovers the key to sending a redeemed sinner to heaven is vaporizing them with Adam's beam cannon >the show enters into a cycle of fix sinner, bait Adam into a fight, sinner goes to heaven >heaven is full and Sera is begging him to stop but he just can't resist killing the frickers
Cause Adam would be her example with his in-built holy capabilities (the person matters, not the weapon) and Lute was his personal partner. So Vaggie had to think Lute was also very special to do that to her eye.
I hope that Sera and Emily turn out to be Michael's daughters. >Sera looked up to dad so much growing up and wanted to be just like him but didn't get to know him well because he was always working. Mirroring Charlie and Lucifer. >When Emily was born, exterminations had already started and Michael tried to be more of a father to her because he blamed himself for Sera's actions, leading to her learning more about his 'protector of sinners' role and his and Luci's early failed 'purgatory' plan than Sera did. But like Lucifer he sheltered Emily and convinced her that Purgatory was a real successful project. >Michael and Lucifer beat each other to a pulp and are leaning against a wall, due to the catharsis of getting it out of their systems, they finally start talking it out and end up bonding over their experience as fathers, what went right, what went wrong. They decide to bring Purgatory back as a larger extension plan of the hotel with Charlie in control
3 months ago
Anonymous
You want Michael to be some black dude?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Depends on what broadway black guy they get. Some of those dudes can seriously play "stern militaristic general with a serious sense of authority in the verses they belt out" types. Not to mention, it could be that he just has a black seraphim wife. His brother is already a white dude so that would make sense. I'd say his audition songs need to be "Stars" from Les Mis or "History Has its eyes on you" from Hamilton and then "The Confrontation" from Les, one song on his own and one that showcases how he'd do in a duet with Lucifer.
I don't follow this show much but am aware that Lucifer and Satan are supposed to be different characters in it. Has Satan shown up yet? What is his power level?
>fallen angel
I expect he has been downgraded to a mere demon to make Lucifer stand out more, but it would be interesting to be wrong. Because then there is question of why he's not the king of hell. Doesn't give a damn about ruling and therefore not a threat to the status quo, just an independent wild card others steer clear of?
I bet he is gonna look like a large, jacked imp.
He rules the wrath ring, which is just filled with imps who are all about farming and war. He is supposed to be the "strong man" in the circus troupe meme. so the imp look makes sense imo
>fallen angel
I expect he has been downgraded to a mere demon to make Lucifer stand out more, but it would be interesting to be wrong. Because then there is question of why he's not the king of hell. Doesn't give a damn about ruling and therefore not a threat to the status quo, just an independent wild card others steer clear of?
all of the sins are/were supposed to be fallen angels but that might not be canon anymore. they make up a circus troupe.
Satan is one of the 7 sins and ruler of the wrath ring. We do have a hierarchy list, but it seems more like a social hierarchy than an actual power scaling one. However, I think it's safe to say that the sins are the strongest beings in hell. We don't know if they are fallen angels in this one, but they are confirmed to have existed since the start of hell and their "true" demon forms seem stronger than any others we've seen so far. Satan, who has an excercise app in the show, probably emphasizes power more than the other sins. He might only be second to Lucifer in terms of strength. Charlie is half angel, but she doesn't seem to know how to use her power, so I can't really place her higher than the sins, even though socially she has a higher rank than them. And, we still don't know anything about Lillith's strength.
The bible is pretty cryptic about that whole subject it mostly talks about Satan as someone you already know about so later foreign cultures had to interpret a lot of shit. "Lucifer" (actually Helel) only appears two times I think when they talk about the beautiful fallen one and it's more of a metaphor for the fallen king of Babylon the chapter is about. But since Satan is associated with Babylon and since the Revelation talks about the fallen Satan they were associated as one.
No, Christians consider them the same person. The name "Lucifer" isn't even technically used in the Bible, it's the Latin word for the planet Venus (the morning star).
So Lucifer as punishment is sent all the worst that humanity has to offer in the form of sinners.
But why is the rest of hell the way it is if he's both the boss of hell, and doesn't like what his ring is like? Why is Mammon allowed to exist? What even are the other things inhabiting the lower rings if not sinners?
>But why is the rest of hell the way it is if he's both the boss of hell, and doesn't like what his ring is like?
Depression. Also we don't know how the system with the rings was set up/decided or even what the other Sins really are in relation to Lucifer or how they even feel about each other. >Why is Mammon allowed to exist?
Depression. >What even are the other things inhabiting the lower rings if not sinners?
Hellborn demons like the Ars Goetia, imps, hellhounds, succubi, shark-people, goat-people.
These aren't good/satisfying answers, I know. The truth is probably that in Viv's original plan for HH we were going to see more of hell and it's worldbuilding, but then she came up with the idea of HB and decided to explore hell through that and keep HH entirely in Pride. Hence why we're left wondering what the point of the other rings is if all the sinners are dumped into Pride. And because of legal reasons now, we'll likely never know. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see Pentagram City in HB because it's A24 property.
>Hence why we're left wondering what the point of the other rings is if all the sinners are dumped into Pride.
The point of the other rings seems to be to help support the pride ring. Like how Sloth makes all the medicine in hell and wrath makes all the food. Ultimately, the hellborn are there to keep the pride ring functioning >Also we don't know how the system with the rings was set up/decided or even what the other Sins really are in relation to Lucifer or how they even feel about each other.
We know Beelzebub sees Satan as kinda like a brother. So they could be just like a distant family with Lucifer as the patriarch.
Weirdly enough, you could make a genuine argument for why every sinner goes to pride, it's the root of all other sin which the devil uses to manipulate.
Admittedly, this is Vivzie's best and worst trait, she does her homework with the stuff she does use yet it constantly feels like the Hellaverse is full of missed potential because using the best known lore in human history means you almost always see the missed potential of what she didn't use or underused.
And Jacob pinned God for a full night with a broken hip.
Yeah but part of that story is Jacob only did so well because God let him. The whole point of the story is God gives his blessing to those he feels valiantly face the struggles he gives them while the broken hip was a punishment for the whole Esau thing and some of the other shit Jacob had done.
What if jacob wrote this story though? >come back to camp >hey everyone I just wresteled an angel >and won! >he was like, the strongest angel ever too! >he told me so!
this story seems suspicious to me...
Odd God confirmed it through the prophet hosea tho, but he does mention jacob cried like a b***h right after and was begging God for something, who knows what it was really about besides those two but def seems like it was more than just an impromptu wrestling match.
Yahweh has a case against Israel, he will pay Jacob as his conduct merits, and will repay him as his deeds deserve.
In the very womb he supplanted his brother, in maturity he wrestled against God.
He wrestled with the angel and beat him, he wept and pleaded with him.
Lamb sinner demon built for being cannibalized and ryona'd since her power is mindcontrol/building a semi-hivemind by having her flesh eaten but tbf it tastes just like lamb
She's become a masochist to cope
She has to not be a drug addict to make sure she doesn't taste bad but in an AU where the Vees recruit her she's a brat and does a frickton of drugs and is a lot funnier there
That OC... POST MORE
I'm really not good at drawing but one day I'll comm art
Highlights so far >They acknowledged the Val fangirl simping, his actor seemingly finds it funny and said "Val loves you too, baby" but is largely extremely happy that he managed to pull off a "love to hate and hate to love villail >Lute's actor was weirded out by having to stand in the studio and do battle grunts for the final fight. >Viv once again identifies mostly with Charlie and Vaggie but there's a bit of her in everyone, jokingly compared her intelligence to the eggboys. >When asked different character birthdays, Viv declined to comment because she once got angels birthday wrong from what she previously said and caused a massive flame war. Lute and Charlie said to be Libras for their astrological sign. >VAs talk about who they wanna learn more about. Lute, St. Peter, and Zestial were the serious frontrunners. >Viv had only said Zestial should have some kind of reverb but apparently the sound editor was given freedom for how it would work and surprised her with how well it ended up
>They're talking about Alastor's asexuality and the joy it brought Blake with how many aroace people have thanked him for the portrayal. Viv confirms that while Alastor is aroace, he doesn't even know what the label is, which is why he didn't react to the Ace in a Hole. >Angel Dust was named because sounds like both a drag queen and pornstar name, Alastor was picked because it looks cool, Lute is short for "lieutenant" but was a placeholder name that Viv decided worked well, same with Fizzaroli apparently, Valentino was named for Viv's childhood family cat. Viv was looking for a character to name after him and felt it fit his fancy demeanor. Charlie was just viv liking the name. >"What would your character's favorite candy or fruit be". Charlie is fun dip or baby bottle pop. Valentino likes tootsie pops and mangos. Lute is incredibly based and likes Red Hots and fireballs because she's trying to feel something. >the cast wants to do an Alastor and Nifty duet.. Viv approves Alastor and Nifty as a ship, Blake wants a Lute solo, Joel wants a "fricked up" Val and Angel dust duet, everyone wants a Charlie and Lilith duet.
I'm gonna try to stick to highlights because I've done the whole thing so far
>Lute's actor defines her as "having walls up" and says that those walls came down when Adam died, she felt herself getting upset in the studio because she was so invested in the performance there. The rest don't really say much we didn't already know here >They attempt to improv acapellas of songs. Then talk about the song work in the show. Do a clap along acapella of Lute's verse from You Didn't Know.
I'm beginning to realize Lute and Val's VAs were brought in over certain main cast to hype up season 2.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Who do you think is going to be shown getting fricked in season 2? Fully animated sex scene showing penetration btw.
3 months ago
Anonymous
sadly, anyone saying it isn't Sir Pentious x Emily are in for a big suprise
3 months ago
Anonymous
I’m guessing with Lute, she’ll be far more vulnerable without Adam since he was the wall that kept her up.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Loser Baby sing along for a few seconds. Charlie's You didn't know verse >Vox and Val aren't dating but have high sexual tension. Velvette's dynamic with the Vees is that they're sorta her father figures, sorta her friends, and she's a third wheel to them. She's also the brains and the glue of the group. The "backbone of the Vees". >Charlie and Angel's VAs do a trust fall after everyone talks about which characters they'd all get along with best. >Recording for season 2 has started. >Ends on them singing Pentious's verse from Starts with Sorry.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Recording for season 2 has started.
No more RWBY-tier 3/4 year hiatuses - Only an endless stream of Hazbin Kino now.
3 months ago
Anonymous
for season 2 has started.
hope it has a quick turnaround
>https://screenrant.com/hazbin-hotel-season-2-release-date-shorter-wait-invincible/ >Medrano indicated that Hazbin Hotel season 2 should take about one and a half to two years.
:/
3 months ago
Anonymous
Bruh
3 months ago
Anonymous
And that’s the stream over with
For better and for worse it felt way more professional than what I've heard about the post-pilot streams. Part of what made those so good was that they always gave little hints of what was to come while it seems like the pre-approved questions and general managed way this one plays out held Vivzie to higher secrecy.
While I liked seeing the cast talk about their experiences, they can't resort to the same vague revelations about the lore and hints at future characters and plots that had the fandom so active like they did in the past streams.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So Adam’s death is so significant, that if they resurrect him in season 2, they wouldn’t feature his actor in the streams until the reveal.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>>Vox and Val aren't dating
yet
3 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks for your service, anon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No problem.
So Adam’s death is so significant, that if they resurrect him in season 2, they wouldn’t feature his actor in the streams until the reveal.
A bit beyond that, they could still bring him in and with the pre-approved questions, say he was just here as Pentious since he plays both. I wanna say what the stream was missing was vague comments hinting at stuff to be revealed later like if after Viv talked about how new and returning characters will be showing up in season 2, she followed that up with. >Those who are familiar with the source material know that certain players would start responding to the situation developing here.
Or when she was talking about the Vees as season 2 antagonists and how chaotic they are >Unlike Adam, they're not the type of villains that can just be beaten in a physical fight.
for season 2 has started.
hope it has a quick turnaround
Correct me if I'm wrong but recording starts after storyboarding and before animating. So probably like a year.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Revealing Pentious either would’ve been too much. For his redemption or simply having relevance in season 2. They went with the actors you expected in season 2 and only one, Lute, who would bait attention to the season that also didn’t have a death.
3 months ago
Anonymous
also it's a Friday and Alex Brightman is currently in a show on Broadway
3 months ago
Anonymous
That guy is going to be super busy for awhile.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm honestly beginning to think that the best way to hype up season 2 would be to take advantage of the Hazbin fandoms media illiteracy to address the things that obviously foreshadowed. >Sera clearly implied the extermination deal was a means of preventing something far worse that Charlie doesn't know about. The wrong call for the right reasons >Fandom keeps acting like the extermination was something she did out of complete unfounded paranoia.
3 months ago
Anonymous
People still deny that Adam would want Sinners to be redeemed when Sinners can only be redeemed when they are killed and Adam literally still treats them as if they belong to him.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Considering that Charlie is going to quite literally sing Root into defeat, there's no way that Sera will come off as justified or understandable.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Was that leaked? I haven't actually seen the roo leaks but it's so easy to tell what the Extermination plotline is >"Even with the best of intentions, bloodshed won't prevent more bloodshed, an eye for an eye makes everyone blind, only love and forgiveness can truly lead to peace and stability"
3 months ago
Anonymous
So is Lute going to Karen Lucifer and Sera in Season 2?
3 months ago
Anonymous
No Charlie is in the last season. Probably the Elder angels.
My guess is the extermination plot is gonna end on a satirical take of Revelation where its something both Heaven and Hell are afraid of.
Reminding us that the big event that most Bible seemingly can't wait for is the literal apocalypse where people keep dying horribly, something Heaven and Hell alike are afraid of in this context
3 months ago
Anonymous
So when Adam died to pay for sins, it literally triggered the end of the universe?
I’m guessing Eve is dying off in season 3 with a final goodbye from Adam, as she sees him with Lute in his arms to see he moved from her, and from Charlie, her last direct daughter who inherited her black nose tip (since the real Lilith doesn’t have one).
3 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, if you wanna go into it, my dear Adamschizo. Yes. People always forget that early Christianity was an apocalyptic cult because the Messiah is supposed to come very soon before the apocalypse in Judaism.
If Adam is Jesus, his death would signal an apocalyptic event soon to come within a few centuries.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The Christian apocalypse is literally about to happen this generation. I got clued in from the hoaxes and the sky trumpets.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>If Adam is Jesus, his death would signal an apocalyptic event soon to come within a few centuries.
>Season 2: Adam and Lute reunion. >Adam meets up with the Sinners and shocks them all, with the news of the redeemed sinners in Heaven finally blowing all over the Pride Ring. >Adam: oh yeah, dudes. You need to get redeemed NOW. If I find any of you still denying me or this Hotel when I come back, I will exterminate you!!! >Yanks Lute to Heaven with him.
>Season 3: The Great Panic/Denial >”Lilith”/Eve knows she already lost, so her agenda is about taking down as many sinners down with her and blinding their eyes of the end to come. >”Lilith”/Eve however is aware that Adam doesn’t know her true identity, so she hinges on this as her greatest trump card.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>"Even with the best of intentions, bloodshed won't prevent more bloodshed, an eye for an eye makes everyone blind, only love and forgiveness can truly lead to peace and stability"
Charlie just wants her hotel to work and for heaven to work with her, she doesn't want to wage war on them. The Vees are just power-hungry and aren't motivated by any sense of revenge or justice. Charlie already understands that love and peace is the way forward, it's HEAVEN who needs to see that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So Adam pretty much needs to comeback for the plot to work. I can see him in Season 2 simply because Sinners will finally understand that someone is there for them in heaven, and for Lute’s extremely painful isolation to end, and for Adam to deal with Heavenly politics in Season 3.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>So Adam pretty much needs to comeback for the plot to work
no
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah anon, that's the point. Extermination was wrong call, right reasons. Charlie is a Christ figure for Hell, and, like Christ, her focus on forgiveness and redemption has been laughed out multiple times but ends up being the key to saving everyone.
3 months ago
Anonymous
for season 2 has started.
hope it has a quick turnaround
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Vox and Val aren't dating
Yet she also said they have an "on again off again" thing going on. And said something about this being "at this point" in the story.
I'm coping hard because I liked them having a weird open relationship like in the Instagram posts.
Vivzie better make them canon later down the line or I'll go full schizo man.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Same. On the plus side Vox/Val was the only other pair to get an on-screen kiss besides Pentious/Cherry Bomb and Charlie/vegana so we're already 90% of the way there
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. Knowing what a drama loving fujo Vivzie is and how her likes are littered with VoxVal I'd be seriously surprised if their relationship wasn't expanded upon in the following season. But man do I hate waiting. At least it gives us the potential to see their "romance" or whatever their weird equivalent to that would be.
They're absolutely fricking though. I won't accept anything to the contrary.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>They're absolutely fricking though. I won't accept anything to the contrary.
Oh absolutely
3 months ago
Anonymous
>>Lute's actor defines her as "having walls up" and says that those walls came down when Adam died, she felt herself getting upset in the studio because she was so invested in the performance there.
Damn
>> >Viv confirms that while Alastor is aroace, he doesn't even know what the label is, which is why he didn't react to the Ace in a Hole.
Rosie shouldn't know what it is either. "Asexual" as a sexual orientation is a stupid 21st century neologism. Realistically a woman of her era would just called him a confirmed bachelor or similar.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Rosie is not exactly normal, as she was stated to have never died, even through she is an Overlord.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>she was stated to have never died
Huh. Is that what spawned the Rosie=Lilith theory?
3 months ago
Anonymous
That sounds dumb
3 months ago
Anonymous
They should clarify if Rosie and the rest of the cannibals are sinners or hellborn, because it seems odd they all have the same features whereas sinners seem extremely diverse in appearance.
>Lute's actor was weirded out by having to stand in the studio and do battle grunts for the final fight.
Why? She's a voice actor. Seems par for the course to me.
Alastor seems like an interesting character, perhaps the least bland of the ensamble. He is powerful, but not moronicly powerful, still jobs to the uber beings. He has a leash, but lies about his handicap via omission of truth. He plays they card he had been dealt, and most importantly, he has a true drive - a yearning for freedom. He is the very definition of shades of grey. Despite his creepy appearance, he seems to enjoy the presence of the rest of the gang. He seems to get the potential of Charlie. This character might play out as both, antagonist, or a an ally. This is as far as we will get to a nuanced character in this show. It stands to reason that Cinemaphile hates him.
I love the small flaws you see Alastor have throughout the show. Like how ridiculously petty he can be, pretending to be a father figure to Charlie just to annoy Lucifer because Alastor can’t stand not being the top dog in the house.
Plus the brief flashes of annoyance and anger when someone disregards or disrespects him, it’s clear Pride is his main sin, it’s just great that he isn’t some super untouchable never bothered overpowered overlord like he pretends to be.
Murder drones is going to be turned into a trans gender-affirmation story like how the internet has retconned serial-experiments-lain into apparently being.
Something about Robotics, Androids, A.I. and futurism/cyberpunk in general seem to attract these sorts of lunatics to an I.P.
Sounds like you're projecting, troony homosexual. Both Hazbin and Helluva have actual troon messaging in them, so it makes sensr why you're so desperate to apply your troony obssession to any show that doesn't practice such homosexualry.
>Black person on a VIVZIE SHOW THREAD is trying to accuse ANY OTHER show of being troon-pilled >the show he tries to say this about has only straight romantic relationships, no gender bullshit, and no virtue signalling
lol, lmao even.
Vivziegays on suicide-watch. That 41% is getting closer 90% every day.
>Alastor gets mogged by Adam >Alastor would also get utterly mogged by The Absolute Solver
It's hilarious how this edgy homosexual turned out to be so pathetic.
I hope people are aware that him jobbing was designed to stop people from complaining about him being a tumblr OC Gary Stu when he dominates everyone in future seasons
It wasn't particularly well shown but not exactly, Alastor was a case of being quickly built up then slowly torn down.
In the pilot and first two episodes he's the scariest most untouchable character, then we learn the other overlords weren't even concerned with where he'd been, Lucifer didn't even know who he was, we quickly learn he's on some kind of leash and has been for years.
He's basically just the more biblical devil figure, his immense power only coming from what he can trick people into giving him with his charisma and allure hiding a much more pathetic figure. >Is Vox as strong as he purports or is it based on his support?
This applies as much to Alastor as Vox but Alastor is better at hiding it.
It's impressive to see art like this and PicRel and think how they could have drawn Charlie's hoovsies literally any other way then they did and it would have looked 50x's less uncanny and hideous
The 9 choir classification by Aquinas was based on writings by a dude whose credibility stemmed from being closely associated with Paul, which turned out to be false. So it might as well be apocryphal compared to the more popular view of archangels being big shots (names, substantial stories about them, widespread iconography)
>I wonder if anyone here realises that arch-angels are at the very fricking bottom tier of angelic beings?
The named Archangels are top tiers in both judaism and islam
They weren't even part of the angel ranks, but leaders.
The Christian Angelology was always weird in this regard by including them in the ranks.
I figure it’s just the title Archangel sounds cool plus they got all the named ones, as I think Seraphs don’t have names.
I just figure they’ll make all the big names like Michael and such Seraphs as well since Lucifer seemed to be one in the show since he’s got six wings.
>"Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim" (1 Enoch 20:7).
The 'serpents' here are Seraphim, by the way. Serpent is Saraph, plural Seraphim. >When Enoch asked who the four figures were that he had seen: >And he said to me: 'This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.' And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.
Michael, Gabriel and Raphael ranking above the Seraphim isn't really a new concept at all. Phanuel mentioned here is sometimes identified with Uriel.
Especially if the "Speaker of God" in the show ends up being Metatron. >Metatron
Second only to god. God's Scribe(might be "God's Speaker") >Seraphiel
The Head Seraphim and protector of Metatron.
Sera is likely the shows equivalent to Seraphiel.
This gives us 6 Angels in the highest rung: Sera, Michael, Raphael, Uriel, Gabriel and Metatron.
Uriel is apocryphal and we don't really know how deep in the weeds Viv will get in that regard
He was an overly confident little brat going into the battle. Ignoring the 'Angelic weapon' stuff everyone had just learned and spamming his rape-tentacles and lil' skeleton people or whatever they were at Adam, If that was intentional its actually good to show character growth later on
Michael, Raphael and Gabriel, Each dwarfing Lucifer by at least three-heads entering a fight posing like JoJo characters with 'Nanomachines son' tier physiques and Lucifer shitting himself like "O...Oh...Big bros...Your here..."
>Those trips.
It's meant to be.
I don't know what on earth it is about him that makes him so special to me.
I feel like Viv wasn't lying when she said ages ago that 'she didn't make up Alastor, He came to her in a dream'
There's something 'beyond' here, And not just in the way you simp for a fictional character and wish them to be real.
I feel like he IS real, And the more media/merch/art is being created of him and proliferated millions of times - I feel like he just becomes realer and realer still.
I can honestly understand that, considering what happened to its “creator”
Adam's chub getting a squeeze
He’s not fat. He is bulking.
I'm not an Alastorgay by any stretch of the imagination but almost immediately after watching HH he appeared to me in a dream. He was dropping huge glass jars on me from above like Donkey Kong and they shattered on my back causing me immense pain. I woke up sore and sweating.
Someone please tell me what this means
Clearly that means he wants you to buck break him.
Anon you're so dangerously based have you made any progress
3 months ago
Anonymous
I've started visualising him/his face and flooding my internal voice with his name while going to sleep hoping to induce him as a figure within dreams.
I've started trying to reserve an hour before sleep each night to sit down and meditate on nothing but him/his face and flooding my internal voice with nothing but his name, But i have been contemplating if maybe anons like this
>Viv is into /x/gay Chaos-Magick and is trying to meme her Alastor into reality.
are correct and it would be expedient to visualize one of the runes that appears around him when he uses his magic.
If dreams and visualisation stop cutting it for me, Then i'll probably go the full nine-yards with the tulpa stuff and start trying to visualize Al' in my living-room/bed-room with open eyes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>anon is creating a tulpa of a psychopathic demon obsessed with binding people's souls
I admire your impressive moronation
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, If Alastor bound my soul to his, I would be the happiest person in the world - I'd be over the moon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Make a Charlie too to keep him company, banter, and have sexual tension.
I'm not an Alastorgay by any stretch of the imagination but almost immediately after watching HH he appeared to me in a dream. He was dropping huge glass jars on me from above like Donkey Kong and they shattered on my back causing me immense pain. I woke up sore and sweating.
Someone please tell me what this means
It amuses me how Japs never bother to Google how English words are spelled before writing them
3 months ago
Anonymous
how would they google a word they don't know how to spell?
3 months ago
Anonymous
ファックのスペル
Simple as
3 months ago
Anonymous
I genuinely wonder how they even translate this series. Japanese is a very polite language, they have vulgar "you"s, "baka" and "kuso" basically, you could fill a whole dictionary of the cusswords of my language, we have like one derogatory alternative term for everything, even cat, dog or woman.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's a lot less vulgar from what I hear from the Japs with creative liberties taken at points, particularly with how they translate Alastor's dialogue
>Came to her in a dream
This is how I feel about one of my original characters, he helped me out of a city that I assumed to be a purgatory
This dream was in 2012 or 2013 so way before Hazbin was a thing
He was always There and a reader in /div/ confirmed him years later down to describing what he looks like
I've started visualising him/his face and flooding my internal voice with his name while going to sleep hoping to induce him as a figure within dreams.
I've started trying to reserve an hour before sleep each night to sit down and meditate on nothing but him/his face and flooding my internal voice with nothing but his name, But i have been contemplating if maybe anons like this [...] are correct and it would be expedient to visualize one of the runes that appears around him when he uses his magic.
If dreams and visualisation stop cutting it for me, Then i'll probably go the full nine-yards with the tulpa stuff and start trying to visualize Al' in my living-room/bed-room with open eyes.
You're tempting me to get back on my schizo shit especially since I live alone now
Maybe you could draw the runes on paper and hang them around your room, too?
I'm so bad at forcing myself to dream anything to the point I think full lucid dreaming is a meme
My dreams are so out of control but they're always visually rich with the most wacked out nonsensical context
I can't believe Vivzie actually fujobaited me with VoxVal, they kissed on screen and were included in the Valentines' day merch with only CANON couples what the frick is this
>included in the Valentines' day merch with only CANON couples
What year? It might've been concurrent with the Voxtagram storyline which got semi-retconned with the show
I like the headcanon that Alastor actually has a crush on Rosie but his radioautism has deluded her into thinking he's asexual, which is why he was so baffled at her implication,
>vox jerks off to his obsession fricking other people >never gets any himself
this is the saddest thing I can possibly imagine, vivzie please confirm they've fricked at least once so vox isn't just a sad voyeuristic cuck
Nah, Vox being a simp who spends his personal time spying and fapping to Alastor eating deer meat and Val cumdumping into his prostitutes is marginally better and funnier.
When did she say this because we all know how she changes her mind on shit
Regardless the Vees are a poly in my mind, Velvette is just the least horny one
Velvette probably just doesn't take that shit from him, she shit-talks two of the most powerful Overlords to their faces in front of the other Overlords. Val is small potatoes comparatively.
Probably because she's more valuable to him without being reduced to a prostitute. Social media queen and all that.
Or maybe he's just not into black chicks.
In theory it's probably because he respects her and she doesn't tolerate his shit, in practice it's because Viv doesn't want Val (or Vox) kissing a black woman.
In theory it's probably because he respects her and she doesn't tolerate his shit, in practice it's because Viv doesn't want Val (or Vox) kissing a black woman.
I swear I saw a poster with both Val and Velvette in the background of VoxTek in the second episode. Maybe they shot a porno?
That was a poster advertising their "love potion" aka the roofies Vox is selling. The same ones he uses to drug and rape Angel during the end of Poison. Which he then shakes hands with Vox for helping him with.
Deepest lore.
>Val is from the 30-40s >Vox is from the 50-60s >Velvette probably entered hell in the 2010s, is also confirmed to be the youngest overlord
She's the adopted Daughter of the gay villain couple
This should be the reality. Why the frick make a horny trio and not make them polygamous or some shit? Whyd viv make velvette at all if all she cares about is yaoi bait? Jesus Christ. Velvette deserves better
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Honestly no he’s more like Vegeta, Vegeta is the I’m strong loud frick that just jobs in an actual fight. Raditz however backed it up he beat the shit out of Goku leading to Goku’s death fricked yo piccolo as well. Raditz had to be taken down by Goku sacrificing himself piccolo using a new technique planed to kill Goku and Gohan using his dues ex machina anger boost. Raditz while no longer a threat now not also beat Goku but actually did more damage to Goku than Vegeta did.
It's the easiest and straightforward series to get into, would you like them to use a Hunter Hunter analogy? Because then Alastor is Netero and Adam is the literal King of the Chimera Ants Meruem which Netero ace in the fricking hole was a nuke that its cloud forms of a rose(Nifty doing the stabbing).
Bitter sweet ending, he "lives" and spends his last hours of his life with the sheep haired girl because he took a liking to her just like Adam and Lute
>Angel is trans uwu >no no, he's just nonbinary
Are kids so brainrotted that they can no longer even wrap their heads around the idea of a good old fashioned homosexual transvestite? That's kinda sad. The prior generation of fujos dropped the ball so hard it fell into the basement.
>Will the actually introduce God or the concept of God at any point?
No. >how will they explain the 'who decides on who gets into heaven / hell?'
They won't. Simple as.
My guess is that they're canon in the same way Cherrisnake is canon, in that they've kissed and absolutely have feelings for each other but aren't (yet?) an item in the story
Viv has also liked a lot of fanart that implies Vox wants to frick Al.
Most likely season 2 will explore why they have a torn of photograph and what went wrong, probably reveal Vox was denied the deerussy, then have it end with VoxVal.
I think Vox is just a ryonagay in the sense he gets off on seeing people he hates get raped and abused which is also why he actively helps Valentino frick with Angel. Viv already confirmed we'll be seeing his backstory with Alastor in season 2 though, which is exciting.
>I think Vox is just a ryonagay
Sure now he is, but he clearly liked Al at one point to have a saved picture of the two of them and is over the top bitter about him for a reason. He acts like an angry ex. >Viv liked pic related on twitter
I'M NOT LETTING THIS FAT b***h TELL ME WHAT TO THINK OR HEADCANON HER SHOW TOOK FIVE YEARS TO COME OUT AND IN THAT TIME BETTER FANFICS WERE WRITTEN OF THE PREMISE
THANKS FOR THE TOYS VIV BUT I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE TO SAY ALASTOR CAN ENJOY SEX AND THE VEE POLY IS CANON IN MY HEART WHICH IS THE ONLY PLACE IT COUNTS
I honestly love the whole ace Alastor thing and him not realizing it.
Like the guy doesn’t know that exists and thinks the only reason he hasn’t felt attraction to anyone is he’s just waiting for the right one to come by is peak funny.
>Jacob actually shows up in the second season >He's a heavenly wrestler and doesn't exterminate sinners, he just punishes then with wrestling >Velvette gets Spladled or Banana Split'd for being Respectmess
are there actual VoxValgays out there in denial about Val being obsessed with Angel and Vox obsessed with Alastor? Do they seriously think they aren't poly?
When people say they aren't poly they're referring to the fact that they aren't fricking Velvette, they're obviously not exclusive in any sense of the word
When people say they aren't poly they're referring to the fact that they aren't fricking Velvette, they're obviously not exclusive in any sense of the word
Yeah. I definitely see it coming. Charlie and the audience think Lucifer didn’t actually mean it, and he forgot to say “up”. When the Vees, Sinners, Adam, and Lute were having the “oh no” moment, with Lucifer clearly not being disturbed by their reactions.
Lucifer was only confused when he Charlie tried correcting him.
Viv’s writing often has lore-bits disguised as jokes, like with Adam in episode 1. In which Adam described crashed and burned romances he had, while eating ribs, which were meant for the “Adam cannot be fulfilled without Eve” plot, before the “Adam and Lute” changes. And Adam’s “I never made a mistake in my entire life” is about him not regretting staying with the corrupted Eve and letting the Sinners be born, which is stupidly tragic.
The same things happened with Moxxie in Episode 1 and Blitzo in episode 2 of HB.
So Lucifer’s joke line in episode 8 could be a really messed up plot twist. It says a lot when Lucifer immediately talks about Adam’s body, which is quite creepy, and brings up about how sexy and attractive he is to Adam’s wives. So literally, in three direct lines in a row, Lucifer is hitting on Adam. Which is super weird.
Not to mention. Lucifer has dreams about the golden ugly duckling that becomes a golden goose, and he is completely obsessed with it. And Adam is literally the only golden duckling/goose it could be pointing to, since only he has golden wings.
WTF????? This story literally is about Lucifer trying to get in Adam’s pants. This fricking story makes Adam bragging about having the original dick, making it the most desirable dick of all dicks, completely lore relevant!
>fujo thirstpost >suddenly turns into Adam schizopost at the end
You had me in the first half, I'm not going to lie. Well done. If one-sided Lucifer/Adam is the price we gave to pay for Adam's return in S2, I'd take that devil's deal.
I am not fricking joking.
The only options for the Lucifer’s golden goose is either ultimate power, Adam, or literally both at once.
And you know as I on how Vivzie’s stupid brain works when we have Val and Angel, and Vox ans Alastor. It’s literally a villain’s trait in this show to go gay on their rival. And Adam is Lucifer’s rival.
Do you honestly have any other suggestions if our brains were infused with VivziePop’s utter Fujo-loving mindset?
>Nah, I'd win >jobs
Alastor really is Gojo. At least Gojo actually bullied powerful individuals on-screen though, while with Alastor you are just told he's meant to be extremely LE POWERFUL and intimidating, but when it comes down to it he's pathetic. Viv has a massive habit of making EVERY "indimidating" character out to be a massive joke.
>Do you think Viv is gonna be super cheap about it and just...make all the Vs know each other from when they were alive?
Velvette almost certainly wasn't alive when Vox died. She might still not have been born when Val died either.
The Angel either let him win, or Jacob lied about it afterwards. There’s no way a man can fight an Angel and win fair and square, especially when Jacob was a spindly little twink compared to his brother.
Alright so the general interpretation is that once you hit rock bottom, you have to metaphorically "wrestle" with God and why you have so long denied him. Breaking his hip/thigh like that is basically God spanking him for being a naughty child before blessing him for coming clean.
Both interpretations are largely about the nature of struggle and valor, and in both versions God lets him win. Jacob acted like a dirty trickster throughout his life because in each instance he felt inherently deserving of the thing he wanted and its only when he actually has to actually struggle and play honestly with regards to God that he is blessed and begins living a genuinely happy life.
People shit on the character designs a lot but it's them that first got people's eyes on the show back during the pilot. Most western cartoons aren't visually appealing to the Japanese at all, but this was an exception. Then you add songs, appealing characters, fujobait and a good Japanese dub to the mix and you've got yourself a hit in Japan.
>People shit on the character designs a lot but it's them that first got people's eyes on the show back during the pilot
I fully agree. I am genuinely surprised seeing this coming from cartoon fans of all things when almost every cartoon we get has designs that look like shit or geometric objects.
At first I thought I wouldn't get into HH/HB since they feel overdesigned, but got used to it quickly. And its fun how different and dynamic everybody looks. I think the charisma is the main selling point of these series, but you don't convey charisma without the right designs, animation and voices.
Tbf you can think Viv has some big shortcomings when it comes to character/art design while also agreeing that HH's design is a breath of fresh air in today's animation.
People shit on the character designs a lot but it's them that first got people's eyes on the show back during the pilot. Most western cartoons aren't visually appealing to the Japanese at all, but this was an exception. Then you add songs, appealing characters, fujobait and a good Japanese dub to the mix and you've got yourself a hit in Japan.
Some of my favorite voices in other languages are Italian Adam(the whole Italian dub is great, I think Alastor's radio filter in it is implemented worse than in the English though) and German Lute. Emily's soft "nein" after Sera's confession in German is very good too:
Oh my fricking god Adam is pure perfection.
The dub is rough around the edges though in terms of lip syncing, I wouldn't have noticed when I was younger though.
Oh my fricking god Adam is pure perfection.
The dub is rough around the edges though in terms of lip syncing, I wouldn't have noticed when I was younger though.
Italian Hell is Forever and You Didn't Know.
Love both. I honestly wish we got a local dub here. Swedish dubbing has gone down the shitter in most respects, but the one strong side in recent years is the singers.
Italy has among the best dubs out there I noticed this years ago (because I understand the language). I sometimes switch through dubs for series I swear it was always the Italian ones that were the best, followed by or equal to Japan. The rest is very hit or miss, unless it's original of course. English originals have top tier voice acting, dubs are usually weaker.
The German dub here surprises me since I like it, especially Adam and Emily. Our dubs are usually dogshit, but maybe it helps that this series is a musical. Can't use your generic minimum wagers if they are supposed to sing.
Some of my favorite voices in other languages are Italian Adam(the whole Italian dub is great, I think Alastor's radio filter in it is implemented worse than in the English though) and German Lute. Emily's soft "nein" after Sera's confession in German is very good too:
The thing is the best dubs will hire local talent, and for that reason countries with a strong theater or musical scene (or just are good in general at churning out talented singers) such as Italy, Korea, and Japan always churn out the best dubs. Countries that mainly rely on 'voice actors' like most Spanish dubs or dubs(especially of vidya or anime) are a lot more hit or miss. Hazbin being a musical also means the foreign language voice directors have to put more effort into casting.
Italy has among the best dubs out there I noticed this years ago (because I understand the language). I sometimes switch through dubs for series I swear it was always the Italian ones that were the best, followed by or equal to Japan. The rest is very hit or miss, unless it's original of course. English originals have top tier voice acting, dubs are usually weaker.
The German dub here surprises me since I like it, especially Adam and Emily. Our dubs are usually dogshit, but maybe it helps that this series is a musical. Can't use your generic minimum wagers if they are supposed to sing.
I probably like Italian Lucifer more than his english version, and I liked his english version already:
>The German dub here surprises me since I like it, especially Adam and Emily. Our dubs are usually dogshit, but maybe it helps that this series is a musical. Can't use your generic minimum wagers if they are supposed to sing.
Yeah. As a swede I can understand a lot of the german with little issue. I do notice more english loanwords than I like in the german dub overall. I feel the translation itself might be a bit lacking, but it is carried alright by the solid voices.
Oh god Italian really suits this guy. The voice is already great but if anybody would assign nationalities to the characters I could totally see him being Italian.
Oh god Italian really suits this guy. The voice is already great but if anybody would assign nationalities to the characters I could totally see him being Italian.
Italian Lucifer is so moe, the way he sings Wap Bam Boom, Alakazam is perfection
3 months ago
Anonymous
I love the delivery on the "Pure Angelic Power" line.
"Non c'è niente come un angelo Serafino!" (There's nothing like Seraph Angel!)
>What is the thinking behind him
Viv not wanting to share him
said. The price she had to pay to bring her sexyman husbando to life was exposing him to tens of thousands of fellow degenerates. >H-he's aroace tho
is defensive squid ink blasted into the faces of her sister fujos and yumejos. Too bad it only worked on Western audiences, and not very well at that.
>defensive squid ink
I'm laughing so hard at that visual but I agree 100%
That shit did not work well at all because everyone is horny for him anyway
And now he has the forbidden fruit aspect on top of tumblr sexyman
I think Viv knows it doesn't work but the payoff is that people know not to expect any canonical shipping with Alastor.
This is the most hilarious part because I don't want any canon ships with him in the first place and it just makes it easier to pair him with my OC
Only just now am I realizing that I don't have to break him up with a canon love interest (or cope if such a love interest wasn't someone I could self insert with, which no Viv characters are self insertable for me) and I feel so dumb for not seeing this sooner
Through the fog of seething about how moronic the aroace thing is finally I see the light
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eJmtyYxDyapAj2GMG7zwDOUjno66CDIcxvzKBmLZIMo/edit >Vox died in the 1950’s, and Valentino may have died in the 1970’s.
I took the "may have" to mean he could've died in the 80s/60s since the pimp look was around for those decades too. Even that aside there's no way Velvette is from the 1950s.
>https://hazbinhotel.fandom.com/wiki/Vox >Date of death 1950s[1][note 1] > HAZBIN HOTEL FASHION STREAM for the COMICS!! (archived). Recorded at 13:16. >https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eJmtyYxDyapAj2GMG7zwDOUjno66CDIcxvzKBmLZIMo/edit
Is it just me or has the "nya nya Viv I'm gonna ship Charlastor and you can't stop me!" posting increased since the show came out? It sounds like they were expecting something else from the show to vindicate them, which is weird since they got a whole bit about Alastor manipulating Charlie to piss of Lucifer in episode 5. Maybe they were hoping for more crew members to support it?
Don't ship Charlastor but I think there was an increased shitpost reaction to "Hell's Best Dad" being like this supposed smoking gun against the ship when, as others pointed out, the song comes off like a father trying to assert against a soon to be son-in-law as the "man in her life". Even Alastor's "you could almost call me dad" feels like some weird kinda DDLG or "your daughter calls me daddy too" shit. Maybe we've all just been on the internet too long
Tbh even though the "your daughter calls me daddy too" has sort of leaked into the mainstream I think that part was more for the newer, more general audiences to let them know that Alastor doesn't have romantic/sexual intentions towards Charlie.
Again, it feels like a disconnect between the queer culture the show was based around and the old school trope.
Both in media and in real life, of a father/son in-law who really don't like each other and are trying to assert each other as the "man in her life". If you're even in your 20s, the latter is a situation you're used to seeing on TV all the time and one you may have seen irl once or twice The whole song basically comes off as a dick measuring contest between the two over who is the more reliable male. Meanwhile in queer culture, that "surrogate friend-father" is more common and likely to trade blows with the actual father in a very similar way.
Anon, the whole point was he was mocking Lucifer. Since I don't ship it, I'll switch to canon. He still didn't mean he actually sees Charlie as a daughter. He just wanted to piss off Lucifer because that was his only goal in the song and Charlie was just his means for doing so
Don't ship Charlastor but I think there was an increased shitpost reaction to "Hell's Best Dad" being like this supposed smoking gun against the ship when, as others pointed out, the song comes off like a father trying to assert against a soon to be son-in-law as the "man in her life". Even Alastor's "you could almost call me dad" feels like some weird kinda DDLG or "your daughter calls me daddy too" shit. Maybe we've all just been on the internet too long
There is no context where an adult man would talk to an adult women about her potentially calling him 'dad', And furthermore mock said womens father about the idea without it having a sexual inflection.
Even if Alastor himself was joking and doesn't want to bang, And doesn't know modern normiebabble or whatever - I doubt, seriously, he would actually be so clueless as to not understand this. The bad-boy/don-juan swooping in and pseudo-cuckolding the father out of his daughter has been a thing in literature forever - No matter how back to the past Alastor is, He would understand that.
Alastor really did basically say to Lucifer "Your daughter calls me daddy in bed as well btw" - He KNEW what that would be interpreted as by any man with a degree of pride, And there's no other sane conclusion one could possibly come to.
>There is no context where an adult man would talk to an adult women about her potentially calling him 'dad'
Maybe in an especially acrimonious stepfather versus deadbeat dad situation. But that implies things about Alastor and Lilith that Vivzie really wouldn't want. It's pretty funny either way, especially if Lilith is the one holding his contract.
To be fair if she hadn’t put Charlie in a pre-established relationship then her and Alastor would be the atypical romance the show would develop.
Like the idea of this big shot heartless bad boy overlord helping the sweet cinnamon roll princess with her hotel idea only to catch feelings and start to actually care?
That’s some standard female oriented romance novel territory right there and people would and are eating it up.
yep. Some would naturally think Charlie and Al are a slow-burn romance thing about a manipulative monster eventually getting softened and changing his views (cliche, yes. but it's part of the appeal). vaggie is like a piece of cardboard in between them trying to keep them separate.
yep. Some would naturally think Charlie and Al are a slow-burn romance thing about a manipulative monster eventually getting softened and changing his views (cliche, yes. but it's part of the appeal). vaggie is like a piece of cardboard in between them trying to keep them separate.
Imagine the Charlastor shippers who are completely new and they're too normie to watch things like Q&A videos or read anything "behind the scenes"
Imagine the Charlastor shippers who didn't catch Rosie's remark because they are not alphabet people
Imagine the massive amount of people, who will never come to this board or say much on Twitter, who are thinking that this is how it's gonna go because they literally don't know any better
I hope when the time comes they raise hell and there are mountains of carnage on Twitter from all of the fighting because it would be hilarious
well I really don't care what Viv says.
She's good at coming up with concepts and ideas, but she struggles to deliver on anything in a satisfying manner.
Other people have taken her characters and done insanely creative and impressive things with them.
Well yeah it won't stop anything but it'll make any potential "Charlastors rise up" movement immensely cringe. "I willfully ignored the hints, and it isn't my fault". Some pathetic shit right there.
well I really don't care what Viv says.
She's good at coming up with concepts and ideas, but she struggles to deliver on anything in a satisfying manner.
Other people have taken her characters and done insanely creative and impressive things with them.
Charlastor shippers are eating pretty good with Season 1. As in, they had a lot of cute screen time together, they have a good dynamic, and Alastor gets very handsy with Charlie a lot. It helps that Chaggie still feels rather bland and forced.
Also Alastor's new VA seems cool with the Charlastor ship. Maybe doesn't endorse it, just subtly agrees it's kinda cute.
>Doesn't endorse it >Didn't know what "aroace" was until he voiced Alastor and the fans "taught" him
He loves it he just doesn't wanna endorse it for fear of Viv and the fans alike
You can twist anything to say it’s a toxic ship, like I’m sure Charlie picking up some random injured hobo angel and taking her home and eventually falling in love with her can be seen as toxic in some way.
It's genuinely hard for me to guess the gender for fans of this series for some reason. I guess that Alastor is rather someone who is popular among women, Adam rather the guys, but then again a lot of anons that want to frick Adam, so not sure if gay or woman. Vox fans sound male again, Lucifer fans both. But honestly hard to tell and I guess that this is the exact type of series that attracts gays and trannies which makes guessing way harder.
>be me, female, bisexual >almost all the male characters are frickable in some capacity >Alastor is king husbando this series >Followed by Vox (it's fine if they frick each other too but I like Vox with Val more actually) >a few girls are frickable too >Charlie, Velvette, Lute, Emily >Would also let Nifty play with me since she seems fun (I know, she's straight)
There are other girls who want to frick Vox though, r-right?
Vox is popular. There was a popular vtuber I saw on Twitter who said she wanted to frick Vox... which caused a bit of a stir because there's a male vtuber named Vox as well and people got confused.
Vox's gap moe between manipulative charismatic media god vs excitable dork who can lose his cool at the drop of a hat makes me want to tease him!
I am honestly baffled about the adamant resolution of western cartoon creators to make everybody unattractive. I can guarantee you that HH wouldn't be half as popular if people weren't attracted to the characters.
Honestly think that characters that are anti-sexual or ugly on purpose are dumb even for kid cartoons, but it's absolutely incomprehensible why they would do this with adult cartoons as well. Almost all of them look like a mix between RaM, Family Guy and American Dad. Why? There are zero downsides to having pretty designs but some huge upsides.
HH is the first western cartoon I've watched in years for that very reason
The characters are not only attractive but come with so many flavors of fetish fuel
Cannibalism, sharp teeth, hypnosis, drugging, size differences, all the furry or furry-esque designs with multiple arms, the anatomical implications, horns, there's too much to list
I'm right there with you. I also like it because it feels like one of the few western cartoons airing right now that's more concentrated on being fun than being preachy. I really like VoxVal which is fricked up on just about every level and I can't imagine many other cartoons attempting to portray a gay relationship like that. I see a lot of Japanese fans talking about how they're impressed it still manages to be entertaining while including "inclusive" elements and how it makes other western works look bad in comparison.
I am honestly baffled about the adamant resolution of western cartoon creators to make everybody unattractive. I can guarantee you that HH wouldn't be half as popular if people weren't attracted to the characters.
Honestly think that characters that are anti-sexual or ugly on purpose are dumb even for kid cartoons, but it's absolutely incomprehensible why they would do this with adult cartoons as well. Almost all of them look like a mix between RaM, Family Guy and American Dad. Why? There are zero downsides to having pretty designs but some huge upsides.
>Swedish subtitles accidentally made Emily really rude
Utböling can mean outsider, but is much more associated with being a rather rude way to call someone an outcast/misfit.
It's also a synonym of Myling, the vengeful ghost of a murdered child.
Charlie x Alastor is the perfect ship and it's hilarious seeing Viv throw a fit about it
Charlie x Emily has potential but Emily's gonna have to do more for me to consider it
Charlie x Vaggie is so damn boring though
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I genuinely don't understand why they're upset. Not dating means not in a romantic relationship. Frick buddies are not "dating". A couple currently in an off phase of an on-again-off-again are not "dating". Guys who casually shack up but frick a dozen other partners on the regular probably aren't in a romantic relationship and I don't care if the homosexual lobby pretends otherwise.
But none of this precludes the TV and the pimp from having lots of sex and maybe even liking each other the best. What am I missing?
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I genuinely don't understand why they're upset. Not dating means not in a romantic relationship. Frick buddies are not "dating". A couple currently in an off phase of an on-again-off-again are not "dating". Guys who casually shack up but frick a dozen other partners on the regular probably aren't in a romantic relationship and I don't care if the homosexual lobby pretends otherwise.
But none of this precludes the TV and the pimp from having lots of sex and maybe even liking each other the best. What am I missing?
said I don't understand what the issue is
What the frick
t. am a VoxValgay
I saw a Japanese fan translate it in a pretty shabby way (they completely omitted the parts where she specifies they have a connection and that this is just how they are at the current part in the story) and it got a lot of traction so I imagine that doesn't help any
Way I see it is they're obviously written to be fricking and have some kind of feelings towards each other which is all that matters
She's most likely not that much stronger than a regular exterminator (Lute kicked her ass most of their fight) and since sadly they turned up be a bunch of jobbers (still frick you for that Viv) Alastor would have a decent chance of beating her
But can he handle V1 from Ultrakill?
id like to imagine that v1 gets an angelic weapon to deal with him
>Jobs to Adam
>Yeah he can beat Michael
Alastor is being restricted by his demonic contract, as soon as he breaks it off, he will become the new ruler of hell.
There’s no proof his power is suppressed by his contrast.
>I'm hungry for freedom like never before
>the constraints of my deal surely have a backdoor
>soon as I figure out how to unclip my wings
>guess who will be pulling all the strings
>[accompanied by visual of large monstrous shadow growing larger and more powerful]
None of that confirms power, it’s just stating he wants to be free thinks there’s a way out of his slavery and than it implies lofty ambitions. You could be right and he could have surprised power but there’s 0 proof of that. All we’ve seen is owning a soul means the holder can pull you in and restrain you personal with a soul chain and well summon you any time they want. In fact it’s implied you keep your power since despite being a slave Alastor has Husk as a slave still. Overall no proof one way or the other but if you go by implications It’s implied Alastor he his full power this him being surprised his cane was broken and having full control over Husk.
>In fact it’s implied you keep your power since despite being a slave Alastor has Husk as a slave still.
That doesn't necessarily follow. Think of it like a corporate takeover. Just because your company gets bought, that doesn't void your company's own subsidiary holdings. If whoever holds Alastor's deal (Lilith) wants him to still be effective, it makes sense she'd leave him control over some useful subordinates. It is kind of questionable that mister ultrascary overlord Radio Demon only has a maid and a cardshark under his control. Though that could just be Viv's shit worldbuilding.
Speaking of which, Husk himself has pretty lame powers for someone who used to be an overlord. About on Angel Dust's level, combat-wise. Either he got nerfed somehow, or overlords back in his day were weaker and he's been fricked over by powercreep.
Alastor has been stated as being weird for an overlord: no real territory, appeared out of nowhere and then just started killing other Overlords, etc. he almost definitely has other people bound in deals, but they're probably less 'direct and total control' than Husk
As for Husk's powers, the third option is just that he hasn't shown his hand (heh, card pun). Overlords all have some kind of transformation and Husk hasn't transformed in a fight yet so he could just be holding back until he gets into a fight with narrative stakes for him personally so it fits to show that off
That entire song gave me the impression that he was awestruck that he almost got himself killed trying to defend people he hardly cares about, and that his near death experience has given him a far greater desire and drive to escape from whatever his contract is
I don't at all think he's actually got some special power locked off. If anything, the show made a point to emphasis that Alastor is extremely atypical of Overlords in that he gained all of his power almost as soon as he seemingly arrived.
I guarantee that whatever contract he is stuck in is the reason he has most, or all, of his powers.
>He’s not at full power due to being stuck in a deal. He also willing went to attack Adam and even got a few hits in. He only left when he was critically wounded.
You are delusional. He was throwing everything he had at Adam, and he couldn't even scratch him. Whereas at least Charlie actually caused him to bleed.
Alastor's ego is so huge he genuinely thought he could defeat Adam, without even using a single angelic weapon. Alastor was not expecting to actually be threatened, and the fact he went into a panic attack after he was almost killed all be affirms that.
I think we are supposed to look at how Lucifer really is by looking at Alastor. Since Lucifer is still a giant pile of evil who doesn’t actually care about Charlie’s guests or the other sinners in Hell. And if you get someone to beat him 1 on 1, his entire confident personality will completely break.
Possibly not his raw power, but his agency is restricted. If he's not allowed to make new soul deals or something like that, then that's limiting his effectiveness as an overlord if nothing else.
He seems pretty confident that he's gonna come out on top when all is said and done and he's free.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't one of the unique things about Alastor (besides what
said), is that he is also capable of erasing souls, with the same finality as an exorcist? That was a BIG deal when vaggie described him in the pilot. and we don't even know if Lucifer is capable of that power.
If this is the case, then Alastor would be the most potentially powerful being in hell, but for him lacking the muscle/combat prowess of larger players like Lucifer or the Goetia.
Oh great as if Adamschizo wasn't enough now we have Alastorschizo
I honestly think that guy might be right, at least for Alastor’s biggest goal (becoming the King of Hell) because of the alastor and Niffty scene in which Niffty places a crown on Alastor’s head.
How Alastor’s greatest sinner rival, Vox, also wants Hell for himself.
Alastor seeking to beat Lucifer in Dad beat Dad
How Lilith/Rosie is involved with Alastor’s life, and trying to develop him in her own sick twisted ways as her ‘son’.
Not to mention, I myself believe that Lucifer will be given a proper demise at some point, since it seems like Adam, the golden goose, will utterly demolish him at some point.
T. AdamBro
Lucifer will probably die like a boss when heaven wants to kill, Charlie for Adam’s and all the other angels death. So Lucifer will make a deal and take her place. It’s 100% in character for him from, what we’ve seen in the show and he’ll probably make a little speech before he dies like great job guys it’s something the devil himself would do, what’s the quote again sins of the father?
Lucifer is way too much like the Guardians of the Galaxy 3 villain to be given this kind of respect. But perhaps even worse than that guy, honestly. As that guy felt abandoned by God. Lucifer purposesly fricked what was God’s most beloved son, Adam, and ruined everything for him. Then, also attempted to take the heavens for himself, ending in a war where he and the other Princes (fallen Angels) are stuck in Hell forever, and Lucifer designs hellborns to make the other six princes not go insane from the isolation and loneliness of Hell, which ironically kept them trapped in their sins for eternity to cope about their objectively miserable eternities.
Now now Anon he didn’t frick Adam he fricked Adams wives.
There nakedness is Adam’s nakedness, according to the Bible.
So the Bible promotes cuckolds?
No. It makes it clear that God hates it.
He may covet the throne, but season 1 has at least shown Alastor that he can not usurp it through force, he's a big fish in a tiny pod, and he's not even the biggest fish (he was quite disconcerted when he ran into Zestial for example). Whatever his plans are, will need to rely on cunning and guile, not overt force.
100%, his deal with Charlie is going to be a huge deal regarding this. The terms of the deal pretty much mean he could extract almost anything out of Charlie.
Now, one very interesting plot point that I thought of regarding Alastor and Charlie's contract, is that it implies heavily that Alastor is required to tell Charlie anything that he knows at any time. Which means to maintain the contract, Alastor has to tell Charlie anything he knows if she asks.
It will be worth keeping a eye open in season 2 if we ever see Charlie ask Alastor a question, and Alastor answers it comprehensively. If so then that implies this will be a plot point. Maybe she'll ask Alastor for more information about his human life to try to ""redeem"" him.
Al wants power and will try to do a Griffith with Charlie for his ego (if no other reason).
He's not being restricted. Even if he was, no fricking way is he taking Michael
Ummm..no? What would have been the point of signing a pact that lessened his powers? The whole reason he is so op is probably because he has a Deal with Lilith or Root and is drawing on that in exchange for servitude.
Full power Alastor will surpass Lucifer and become the next king of hell in season 2. It will take the united forces of all of angels and demons to take him down
Full power Alastor was a little b***h that lost to the first man and ran away.
I can see this. He'll be working with Lilith and pull a Starscream on her at the last minute.
>Starscream
Not the best analogy
He couldn't handle Adam, Alastor would be absolutely fricked by Michael, in every way but literally.
Alastor simps on full cope mode
Honestly no he’s more like Vegeta, Vegeta is the I’m strong loud frick that just jobs in an actual fight. Raditz however backed it up he beat the shit out of Goku leading to Goku’s death fricked yo piccolo as well. Raditz had to be taken down by Goku sacrificing himself piccolo using a new technique planed to kill Goku and Gohan using his dues ex machina anger boost. Raditz while no longer a threat now not also beat Goku but actually did more damage to Goku than Vegeta did.
>Honestly no he’s more like Vegeta
He enjoys watching his wife get fricked by others?
>"Kiss my wife Lucifer-san!"
You know, I can see this happening kek
He will unleash his chains and become 10x more powerful.
This board is going to be so assmad when Alastor inevitably wins something in S2.
Honestly it would’ve been nice if he had a win this season. Even if it was a small just as planned win. Yeah there’s the deal he made with Charlie but it just don’t hold water after he got wrecked by Adam and Adam couldn’t even hold a candle to Lucifer. In retrospect it just made Lucifer’s verse about Alastor being basically a bus boy 100% accurate. It’s hard to take him seriously now it’s like if you read comics think about Hawkeye standing up to Galactus, 1v1 no ultimate builder final destination.
he won against Vox pretty hard
>won against a influencer overlord
Wow, that deserves a golden star
a win is a win
Okay Bejita
Then tell us who you want to plow to kingdom come
Sir Pentious, but I want to frick him lovingly and with tender care. Cherri Bomb can join in too.
>Cherri Bomb can join in too.
Luckily for you, he has two dicks
Perfect for both her holes while I've got his snake tongue wrapped around my schlong and I'm patting his head and playing with the rim of his hood while moaning little encouraging words to make him feel good. It motivates him to keep pleasuring us both like the stud he is.
Based
Oh ok I’m sorry let me rephrase that a win that mattered. Vox so far is clearly there to be a failed fool to Al,he’s done nothing notable if it was his boyfriend maybe it would’ve worked a bit since he’s controlling Angel. Seriously Vox is the most useless V from what we’ve seen. He doesn’t have a power over one of the main characters or outright flipped off an overlord and put them in there place. Vox so far is just a fall guy to make Al look good.
>Gets spanked by CHADam
>Thinks he can handle friggin Michael
lmao
Now let's be fair, Jacob would beat anyone in Hazbin.
He beat god so bad people had to run damage control and say it was an angel
God broke his hip
And Jacob pinned God for a full night with a broken hip.
He's gonna get split in half like a twig against a tornado
I haven't seen the show and probably never will, but from the pilot i though he'd be crazy popular here. Instead, every thread about alastor is extremely slow and/or dies within 100 replies
>meanwhile, lucifer thread is going strong
Lucifergays stay winning
It’s because he was all talk, he lost and ra n like a b***h in the finale and icing on the cake he’s somebody’s little b***h he sold his soul. Overall he was a cool concept that failed and we now know why he’s the radio demon because he’s all talk.
>"And it's Jacob with the steel chair!"
>"Bah Gawd!"
>Tries to fight Michael
>Completely ignored
Honestly, if he's mad at how Lucifer didn't take him seriously? Michael or ANY of the archangels is gonna piss him off way worse because they're likely not even gonna give him the time of day
>”Alastor jobbed lol”
He’s not at full power due to being stuck in a deal. He also willing went to attack Adam and even got a few hits in. He only left when he was critically wounded.
Much better than Vox the “chad” who did nothing but hide away with the other Vs and just wanted this to be an opportunity for someone else to kill Alastor so that he doesn’t get tortured and killed by him.
No proof he’s not at full power that’s just a theory.
God, SISSYstor fans are really worse than Bejita's. Keep coping
Holy shit it actually worked
So why did it even work? It never happened before I guess. I feel like it's because Adam was killed but I am not sure about the exact mechanics at play.
You see, sinners are called sinners because they sinned. And their sins keep them in hell. And sins are paid with death in the Bible.
So Adam has to die to pay for those sins.
And because he given up his life, he will keep it, just like Pentious. But the Pentious and other sinners will rise first before Adam.
Turns out heaven has a hard population cap for mortal souls, and Pentious just happened to be the next soul waiting for a respawn who also had the right credentials to slide into Adam's spot.
Turns out Charlie was right, the path to redemption really does Start With Sorry.
And to think people thought this was one of the weaker songs yet turned out to actually work.
How often do "sinners" in hell die heroically after putting aside their vices for a while? Dying specifically to angelic magic? For all the execution days, most that die were shitting their pants running away. A simple formula but one that never actually articulated until this point.
>Charlie discovers the key to sending a redeemed sinner to heaven is vaporizing them with Adam's beam cannon
>the show enters into a cycle of fix sinner, bait Adam into a fight, sinner goes to heaven
>heaven is full and Sera is begging him to stop but he just can't resist killing the frickers
Pentious was the first sinner in Hell who died after seeking redemption and forgiveness
Why vegana lost her eye to angelic weapon but doesn't know angelic weapons hurt angel?
Cause Adam would be her example with his in-built holy capabilities (the person matters, not the weapon) and Lute was his personal partner. So Vaggie had to think Lute was also very special to do that to her eye.
Vaggie is moronic. This is well established. And Charlie can do much better.
Gap moe is based
>Nah, I'd win
>puts the edgy furry in his place on live TV
And then he jobbed.
HE WON
J-just wait until I tell Michael on you, demon scum! Then you'll be sorry.
I hope that Sera and Emily turn out to be Michael's daughters.
>Sera looked up to dad so much growing up and wanted to be just like him but didn't get to know him well because he was always working. Mirroring Charlie and Lucifer.
>When Emily was born, exterminations had already started and Michael tried to be more of a father to her because he blamed himself for Sera's actions, leading to her learning more about his 'protector of sinners' role and his and Luci's early failed 'purgatory' plan than Sera did. But like Lucifer he sheltered Emily and convinced her that Purgatory was a real successful project.
>Michael and Lucifer beat each other to a pulp and are leaning against a wall, due to the catharsis of getting it out of their systems, they finally start talking it out and end up bonding over their experience as fathers, what went right, what went wrong. They decide to bring Purgatory back as a larger extension plan of the hotel with Charlie in control
You want Michael to be some black dude?
Depends on what broadway black guy they get. Some of those dudes can seriously play "stern militaristic general with a serious sense of authority in the verses they belt out" types. Not to mention, it could be that he just has a black seraphim wife. His brother is already a white dude so that would make sense. I'd say his audition songs need to be "Stars" from Les Mis or "History Has its eyes on you" from Hamilton and then "The Confrontation" from Les, one song on his own and one that showcases how he'd do in a duet with Lucifer.
>Needs to be ganked by 5-6 characters including the king of hell himself
>jobbed
Adam had a good showing.
THE ONE HALO
THE ONE HALO IS REAL
CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER
SO HIGH
I don't follow this show much but am aware that Lucifer and Satan are supposed to be different characters in it. Has Satan shown up yet? What is his power level?
Nope, he wasn't appeared yet
>power level
Well if he's the prince of wrath and OG fallen angel, it's pretty big
>fallen angel
I expect he has been downgraded to a mere demon to make Lucifer stand out more, but it would be interesting to be wrong. Because then there is question of why he's not the king of hell. Doesn't give a damn about ruling and therefore not a threat to the status quo, just an independent wild card others steer clear of?
I bet he is gonna look like a large, jacked imp.
He rules the wrath ring, which is just filled with imps who are all about farming and war. He is supposed to be the "strong man" in the circus troupe meme. so the imp look makes sense imo
all of the sins are/were supposed to be fallen angels but that might not be canon anymore. they make up a circus troupe.
Satan is one of the 7 sins and ruler of the wrath ring. We do have a hierarchy list, but it seems more like a social hierarchy than an actual power scaling one. However, I think it's safe to say that the sins are the strongest beings in hell. We don't know if they are fallen angels in this one, but they are confirmed to have existed since the start of hell and their "true" demon forms seem stronger than any others we've seen so far. Satan, who has an excercise app in the show, probably emphasizes power more than the other sins. He might only be second to Lucifer in terms of strength. Charlie is half angel, but she doesn't seem to know how to use her power, so I can't really place her higher than the sins, even though socially she has a higher rank than them. And, we still don't know anything about Lillith's strength.
Not a Christian but aren't Satan and Lucifer technically different people in the Bible too?
The bible is pretty cryptic about that whole subject it mostly talks about Satan as someone you already know about so later foreign cultures had to interpret a lot of shit. "Lucifer" (actually Helel) only appears two times I think when they talk about the beautiful fallen one and it's more of a metaphor for the fallen king of Babylon the chapter is about. But since Satan is associated with Babylon and since the Revelation talks about the fallen Satan they were associated as one.
No, Christians consider them the same person. The name "Lucifer" isn't even technically used in the Bible, it's the Latin word for the planet Venus (the morning star).
Now with red blood
I don't give a shit about power levels. I care about which characters I want to frick the most.
He wasn't strong enough to take on Adam, who was just the first man. What makes you think he could take on an archangel?
Can he beat Mandela "Gabriel" though?
So Lucifer as punishment is sent all the worst that humanity has to offer in the form of sinners.
But why is the rest of hell the way it is if he's both the boss of hell, and doesn't like what his ring is like? Why is Mammon allowed to exist? What even are the other things inhabiting the lower rings if not sinners?
>But why is the rest of hell the way it is if he's both the boss of hell, and doesn't like what his ring is like?
Depression. Also we don't know how the system with the rings was set up/decided or even what the other Sins really are in relation to Lucifer or how they even feel about each other.
>Why is Mammon allowed to exist?
Depression.
>What even are the other things inhabiting the lower rings if not sinners?
Hellborn demons like the Ars Goetia, imps, hellhounds, succubi, shark-people, goat-people.
These aren't good/satisfying answers, I know. The truth is probably that in Viv's original plan for HH we were going to see more of hell and it's worldbuilding, but then she came up with the idea of HB and decided to explore hell through that and keep HH entirely in Pride. Hence why we're left wondering what the point of the other rings is if all the sinners are dumped into Pride. And because of legal reasons now, we'll likely never know. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see Pentagram City in HB because it's A24 property.
IMP headquarters is in Pentagram City.
IMP Headquarters is in Imp City that is located in the 2nd Circle of the Pride Ring. Pentagram City is in the 1st Circle of the Pride Ring.
>Hence why we're left wondering what the point of the other rings is if all the sinners are dumped into Pride.
The point of the other rings seems to be to help support the pride ring. Like how Sloth makes all the medicine in hell and wrath makes all the food. Ultimately, the hellborn are there to keep the pride ring functioning
>Also we don't know how the system with the rings was set up/decided or even what the other Sins really are in relation to Lucifer or how they even feel about each other.
We know Beelzebub sees Satan as kinda like a brother. So they could be just like a distant family with Lucifer as the patriarch.
Weirdly enough, you could make a genuine argument for why every sinner goes to pride, it's the root of all other sin which the devil uses to manipulate.
Admittedly, this is Vivzie's best and worst trait, she does her homework with the stuff she does use yet it constantly feels like the Hellaverse is full of missed potential because using the best known lore in human history means you almost always see the missed potential of what she didn't use or underused.
Yeah but part of that story is Jacob only did so well because God let him. The whole point of the story is God gives his blessing to those he feels valiantly face the struggles he gives them while the broken hip was a punishment for the whole Esau thing and some of the other shit Jacob had done.
If they are also fallen angels they probably view him more like a sibling than a father.
What if jacob wrote this story though?
>come back to camp
>hey everyone I just wresteled an angel
>and won!
>he was like, the strongest angel ever too!
>he told me so!
this story seems suspicious to me...
Odd God confirmed it through the prophet hosea tho, but he does mention jacob cried like a b***h right after and was begging God for something, who knows what it was really about besides those two but def seems like it was more than just an impromptu wrestling match.
Yahweh has a case against Israel, he will pay Jacob as his conduct merits, and will repay him as his deeds deserve.
In the very womb he supplanted his brother, in maturity he wrestled against God.
He wrestled with the angel and beat him, he wept and pleaded with him.
probably "please don't smite me for totally clowning on you and making you look like a punk b***h"
>Cower in fear against the power of ra-ACK
shes so thicc...
OMGSISA
I'd love to bite her ass.
Where are her breasts?
she doesnt need any
I hope she gets a full song next season.
she fricking better, her and the angels too
She had all the best moments in the show. The biggest real laugh I had was her sidestepping so she could be grabbed by a shadow tentacle
Michael wouldn't even bother fighting him
Looks like the eight doctor Paul Mcgann.
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>no Carmilla and Zestial
It's shit
And like this
one said. Second OTP after Charlastor.
did I do it right
Who's the OC anon
Lamb sinner demon built for being cannibalized and ryona'd since her power is mindcontrol/building a semi-hivemind by having her flesh eaten but tbf it tastes just like lamb
She's become a masochist to cope
She has to not be a drug addict to make sure she doesn't taste bad but in an AU where the Vees recruit her she's a brat and does a frickton of drugs and is a lot funnier there
I'm really not good at drawing but one day I'll comm art
very sincere and charming, gj anon
10/10 would pat
That OC... POST MORE
>3 vees OT3
based anon. God like taste. I kneel
>Vee OT3
Basad-
>with Alastor
MULTI-TRACK DRIFTING!!
Gabriel
Post-finale Q&A coming up in an hour or so for those who care.
https://www.youtube.com/live/MZmdTfkhwEU?si=Btx8XpLdLgoGwzyM
Não tankei
>All those $20-$50 superchats
>Right before they reveal the bowl of questions
Highlights so far
>They acknowledged the Val fangirl simping, his actor seemingly finds it funny and said "Val loves you too, baby" but is largely extremely happy that he managed to pull off a "love to hate and hate to love villail
>Lute's actor was weirded out by having to stand in the studio and do battle grunts for the final fight.
>Viv once again identifies mostly with Charlie and Vaggie but there's a bit of her in everyone, jokingly compared her intelligence to the eggboys.
>When asked different character birthdays, Viv declined to comment because she once got angels birthday wrong from what she previously said and caused a massive flame war. Lute and Charlie said to be Libras for their astrological sign.
>VAs talk about who they wanna learn more about. Lute, St. Peter, and Zestial were the serious frontrunners.
>Viv had only said Zestial should have some kind of reverb but apparently the sound editor was given freedom for how it would work and surprised her with how well it ended up
nice, please continue spoonfeeding us
>They're talking about Alastor's asexuality and the joy it brought Blake with how many aroace people have thanked him for the portrayal. Viv confirms that while Alastor is aroace, he doesn't even know what the label is, which is why he didn't react to the Ace in a Hole.
>Angel Dust was named because sounds like both a drag queen and pornstar name, Alastor was picked because it looks cool, Lute is short for "lieutenant" but was a placeholder name that Viv decided worked well, same with Fizzaroli apparently, Valentino was named for Viv's childhood family cat. Viv was looking for a character to name after him and felt it fit his fancy demeanor. Charlie was just viv liking the name.
>"What would your character's favorite candy or fruit be". Charlie is fun dip or baby bottle pop. Valentino likes tootsie pops and mangos. Lute is incredibly based and likes Red Hots and fireballs because she's trying to feel something.
>the cast wants to do an Alastor and Nifty duet.. Viv approves Alastor and Nifty as a ship, Blake wants a Lute solo, Joel wants a "fricked up" Val and Angel dust duet, everyone wants a Charlie and Lilith duet.
I'm gonna try to stick to highlights because I've done the whole thing so far
>Valentino was named for Viv's childhood family cat.
>Lute's actor defines her as "having walls up" and says that those walls came down when Adam died, she felt herself getting upset in the studio because she was so invested in the performance there. The rest don't really say much we didn't already know here
>They attempt to improv acapellas of songs. Then talk about the song work in the show. Do a clap along acapella of Lute's verse from You Didn't Know.
I'm beginning to realize Lute and Val's VAs were brought in over certain main cast to hype up season 2.
Who do you think is going to be shown getting fricked in season 2? Fully animated sex scene showing penetration btw.
sadly, anyone saying it isn't Sir Pentious x Emily are in for a big suprise
I’m guessing with Lute, she’ll be far more vulnerable without Adam since he was the wall that kept her up.
>Loser Baby sing along for a few seconds. Charlie's You didn't know verse
>Vox and Val aren't dating but have high sexual tension. Velvette's dynamic with the Vees is that they're sorta her father figures, sorta her friends, and she's a third wheel to them. She's also the brains and the glue of the group. The "backbone of the Vees".
>Charlie and Angel's VAs do a trust fall after everyone talks about which characters they'd all get along with best.
>Recording for season 2 has started.
>Ends on them singing Pentious's verse from Starts with Sorry.
>Recording for season 2 has started.
No more RWBY-tier 3/4 year hiatuses - Only an endless stream of Hazbin Kino now.
>https://screenrant.com/hazbin-hotel-season-2-release-date-shorter-wait-invincible/
>Medrano indicated that Hazbin Hotel season 2 should take about one and a half to two years.
:/
Bruh
For better and for worse it felt way more professional than what I've heard about the post-pilot streams. Part of what made those so good was that they always gave little hints of what was to come while it seems like the pre-approved questions and general managed way this one plays out held Vivzie to higher secrecy.
While I liked seeing the cast talk about their experiences, they can't resort to the same vague revelations about the lore and hints at future characters and plots that had the fandom so active like they did in the past streams.
So Adam’s death is so significant, that if they resurrect him in season 2, they wouldn’t feature his actor in the streams until the reveal.
>>Vox and Val aren't dating
yet
Thanks for your service, anon.
No problem.
A bit beyond that, they could still bring him in and with the pre-approved questions, say he was just here as Pentious since he plays both. I wanna say what the stream was missing was vague comments hinting at stuff to be revealed later like if after Viv talked about how new and returning characters will be showing up in season 2, she followed that up with.
>Those who are familiar with the source material know that certain players would start responding to the situation developing here.
Or when she was talking about the Vees as season 2 antagonists and how chaotic they are
>Unlike Adam, they're not the type of villains that can just be beaten in a physical fight.
Correct me if I'm wrong but recording starts after storyboarding and before animating. So probably like a year.
Revealing Pentious either would’ve been too much. For his redemption or simply having relevance in season 2. They went with the actors you expected in season 2 and only one, Lute, who would bait attention to the season that also didn’t have a death.
also it's a Friday and Alex Brightman is currently in a show on Broadway
That guy is going to be super busy for awhile.
I'm honestly beginning to think that the best way to hype up season 2 would be to take advantage of the Hazbin fandoms media illiteracy to address the things that obviously foreshadowed.
>Sera clearly implied the extermination deal was a means of preventing something far worse that Charlie doesn't know about. The wrong call for the right reasons
>Fandom keeps acting like the extermination was something she did out of complete unfounded paranoia.
People still deny that Adam would want Sinners to be redeemed when Sinners can only be redeemed when they are killed and Adam literally still treats them as if they belong to him.
Considering that Charlie is going to quite literally sing Root into defeat, there's no way that Sera will come off as justified or understandable.
Was that leaked? I haven't actually seen the roo leaks but it's so easy to tell what the Extermination plotline is
>"Even with the best of intentions, bloodshed won't prevent more bloodshed, an eye for an eye makes everyone blind, only love and forgiveness can truly lead to peace and stability"
So is Lute going to Karen Lucifer and Sera in Season 2?
No Charlie is in the last season. Probably the Elder angels.
My guess is the extermination plot is gonna end on a satirical take of Revelation where its something both Heaven and Hell are afraid of.
Reminding us that the big event that most Bible seemingly can't wait for is the literal apocalypse where people keep dying horribly, something Heaven and Hell alike are afraid of in this context
So when Adam died to pay for sins, it literally triggered the end of the universe?
I’m guessing Eve is dying off in season 3 with a final goodbye from Adam, as she sees him with Lute in his arms to see he moved from her, and from Charlie, her last direct daughter who inherited her black nose tip (since the real Lilith doesn’t have one).
I mean, if you wanna go into it, my dear Adamschizo. Yes. People always forget that early Christianity was an apocalyptic cult because the Messiah is supposed to come very soon before the apocalypse in Judaism.
If Adam is Jesus, his death would signal an apocalyptic event soon to come within a few centuries.
The Christian apocalypse is literally about to happen this generation. I got clued in from the hoaxes and the sky trumpets.
>If Adam is Jesus, his death would signal an apocalyptic event soon to come within a few centuries.
>Season 2: Adam and Lute reunion.
>Adam meets up with the Sinners and shocks them all, with the news of the redeemed sinners in Heaven finally blowing all over the Pride Ring.
>Adam: oh yeah, dudes. You need to get redeemed NOW. If I find any of you still denying me or this Hotel when I come back, I will exterminate you!!!
>Yanks Lute to Heaven with him.
>Season 3: The Great Panic/Denial
>”Lilith”/Eve knows she already lost, so her agenda is about taking down as many sinners down with her and blinding their eyes of the end to come.
>”Lilith”/Eve however is aware that Adam doesn’t know her true identity, so she hinges on this as her greatest trump card.
>"Even with the best of intentions, bloodshed won't prevent more bloodshed, an eye for an eye makes everyone blind, only love and forgiveness can truly lead to peace and stability"
Charlie just wants her hotel to work and for heaven to work with her, she doesn't want to wage war on them. The Vees are just power-hungry and aren't motivated by any sense of revenge or justice. Charlie already understands that love and peace is the way forward, it's HEAVEN who needs to see that.
So Adam pretty much needs to comeback for the plot to work. I can see him in Season 2 simply because Sinners will finally understand that someone is there for them in heaven, and for Lute’s extremely painful isolation to end, and for Adam to deal with Heavenly politics in Season 3.
>So Adam pretty much needs to comeback for the plot to work
no
Yeah anon, that's the point. Extermination was wrong call, right reasons. Charlie is a Christ figure for Hell, and, like Christ, her focus on forgiveness and redemption has been laughed out multiple times but ends up being the key to saving everyone.
for season 2 has started.
hope it has a quick turnaround
>Vox and Val aren't dating
Yet she also said they have an "on again off again" thing going on. And said something about this being "at this point" in the story.
I'm coping hard because I liked them having a weird open relationship like in the Instagram posts.
Vivzie better make them canon later down the line or I'll go full schizo man.
Same. On the plus side Vox/Val was the only other pair to get an on-screen kiss besides Pentious/Cherry Bomb and Charlie/vegana so we're already 90% of the way there
Yeah. Knowing what a drama loving fujo Vivzie is and how her likes are littered with VoxVal I'd be seriously surprised if their relationship wasn't expanded upon in the following season. But man do I hate waiting. At least it gives us the potential to see their "romance" or whatever their weird equivalent to that would be.
They're absolutely fricking though. I won't accept anything to the contrary.
>They're absolutely fricking though. I won't accept anything to the contrary.
Oh absolutely
>>Lute's actor defines her as "having walls up" and says that those walls came down when Adam died, she felt herself getting upset in the studio because she was so invested in the performance there.
Damn
>>
>Viv confirms that while Alastor is aroace, he doesn't even know what the label is, which is why he didn't react to the Ace in a Hole.
Rosie shouldn't know what it is either. "Asexual" as a sexual orientation is a stupid 21st century neologism. Realistically a woman of her era would just called him a confirmed bachelor or similar.
Rosie is not exactly normal, as she was stated to have never died, even through she is an Overlord.
>she was stated to have never died
Huh. Is that what spawned the Rosie=Lilith theory?
That sounds dumb
They should clarify if Rosie and the rest of the cannibals are sinners or hellborn, because it seems odd they all have the same features whereas sinners seem extremely diverse in appearance.
>Lute's actor was weirded out by having to stand in the studio and do battle grunts for the final fight.
Why? She's a voice actor. Seems par for the course to me.
she's a Broadway actor, I'm pretty sure this is her first voice acting role
She probably thought they were making a scene of her getting fricked and thats why.
Next time she can do it on the toilet to get the grunts to be more realistic.
Or bouncing on a dildo if she doesn't want to be recorded on the potty.
>Lute's a libra
That's my girl
Alastor seems like an interesting character, perhaps the least bland of the ensamble. He is powerful, but not moronicly powerful, still jobs to the uber beings. He has a leash, but lies about his handicap via omission of truth. He plays they card he had been dealt, and most importantly, he has a true drive - a yearning for freedom. He is the very definition of shades of grey. Despite his creepy appearance, he seems to enjoy the presence of the rest of the gang. He seems to get the potential of Charlie. This character might play out as both, antagonist, or a an ally. This is as far as we will get to a nuanced character in this show. It stands to reason that Cinemaphile hates him.
>It stands to reason that Cinemaphile hates him.
It's not personal. Cinemaphile is just allergic to the Onceler sexyman archetype.
I love the small flaws you see Alastor have throughout the show. Like how ridiculously petty he can be, pretending to be a father figure to Charlie just to annoy Lucifer because Alastor can’t stand not being the top dog in the house.
Plus the brief flashes of annoyance and anger when someone disregards or disrespects him, it’s clear Pride is his main sin, it’s just great that he isn’t some super untouchable never bothered overpowered overlord like he pretends to be.
Leave all worlds to us. Giggle.
Keep your autism to your thread.
Murder drones is going to be turned into a trans gender-affirmation story like how the internet has retconned serial-experiments-lain into apparently being.
Something about Robotics, Androids, A.I. and futurism/cyberpunk in general seem to attract these sorts of lunatics to an I.P.
That Anon you are replying to is a homosexual, but meds
He's actually COMPLETELY correct though
Troons are also going after TADC because its just like da matrix and sheit or smth.
Sounds like you're projecting, troony homosexual. Both Hazbin and Helluva have actual troon messaging in them, so it makes sensr why you're so desperate to apply your troony obssession to any show that doesn't practice such homosexualry.
>Both Hazbin and Helluva have actual troon messaging in them
Such as?
Having actual troony characters in them and promoting gender sexuality bullshit messaging? Are you moronic?
>he doesnt know about vivzieshit being troon shows
dumbass
NTA, But they made one of Mollies relatives a troon in HB, But i think that's the only 'confirmed' troon in either show so far.
Helluva Boss is trans, Hazbin Hotel is cis
All the couples in Hazbin are gays, and it's still affiliated with the same universe as Helluva. Deny it all you want, you're in denial.
Apparently Baxter was redesigned to be a troon
I bet Viv didn't even know male and female anglers look absolutely nothing alike. She just watched Finding Nemo and thought they looked cool.
I bet Angel will be trans.
He has a retractable penis, if that counts.
I feel that would ruin the fur boobs, unless he's nonbinary
>Black person on a VIVZIE SHOW THREAD is trying to accuse ANY OTHER show of being troon-pilled
>the show he tries to say this about has only straight romantic relationships, no gender bullshit, and no virtue signalling
lol, lmao even.
Vivziegays on suicide-watch. That 41% is getting closer 90% every day.
>Alastor gets mogged by Adam
>Alastor would also get utterly mogged by The Absolute Solver
It's hilarious how this edgy homosexual turned out to be so pathetic.
JOBlastor can't stop losing after hyping himself up as hot shit.
Someone post the Alastor Yamcha-pose image.
I hope people are aware that him jobbing was designed to stop people from complaining about him being a tumblr OC Gary Stu when he dominates everyone in future seasons
It wasn't particularly well shown but not exactly, Alastor was a case of being quickly built up then slowly torn down.
In the pilot and first two episodes he's the scariest most untouchable character, then we learn the other overlords weren't even concerned with where he'd been, Lucifer didn't even know who he was, we quickly learn he's on some kind of leash and has been for years.
He's basically just the more biblical devil figure, his immense power only coming from what he can trick people into giving him with his charisma and allure hiding a much more pathetic figure.
>Is Vox as strong as he purports or is it based on his support?
This applies as much to Alastor as Vox but Alastor is better at hiding it.
>The first Emily cucking Vaggie fic has been written and its in French
Jokes aside any good Emily, Lute or Sera fics?
I need a fic of Alastor having baby-making sex with the entire morningstar family
I’ve been seeing a bunch of Alastor/Lucifer fics popping up now.
Also, lots of people want to frick Alastor themselves it seems.
He’s the one getting preggers though right?
oddly realistic charlie
Green gas comes out of him when he uses his powers.
or eats a bean burrito
my dead cat was also named Valentino ;(
They used his name as inspiration so he can live on forever through media.
They are bonding.
I want a Divine Comedy reference soo fricking much in this show!
"I wanna get deep in Lute's shit"
-Amir Talai-
She helped patch him up. + they both have hoofsies.
It's impressive to see art like this and PicRel and think how they could have drawn Charlie's hoovsies literally any other way then they did and it would have looked 50x's less uncanny and hideous
I wonder if anyone here realises that arch-angels are at the very fricking bottom tier of angelic beings?
Angelic choirs aren't powerhomosexualry tier kind of scaling.
Just how relatively close they are to earth or God.
Archangels are closer to earthly matters.
>Angelic choirs aren't powerhomosexualry tier kind of scaling.
Then tell me why Seraphim are meant to be so strong that even God can't look directly at them when they unfurl their wings?
I think you got it the wrong way
No angel can look directly at God, and Isaiah was the only human who saw a Seraph
The 9 choir classification by Aquinas was based on writings by a dude whose credibility stemmed from being closely associated with Paul, which turned out to be false. So it might as well be apocryphal compared to the more popular view of archangels being big shots (names, substantial stories about them, widespread iconography)
>I wonder if anyone here realises that arch-angels are at the very fricking bottom tier of angelic beings?
The named Archangels are top tiers in both judaism and islam
They weren't even part of the angel ranks, but leaders.
The Christian Angelology was always weird in this regard by including them in the ranks.
I figure it’s just the title Archangel sounds cool plus they got all the named ones, as I think Seraphs don’t have names.
I just figure they’ll make all the big names like Michael and such Seraphs as well since Lucifer seemed to be one in the show since he’s got six wings.
>"Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim" (1 Enoch 20:7).
The 'serpents' here are Seraphim, by the way. Serpent is Saraph, plural Seraphim.
>When Enoch asked who the four figures were that he had seen:
>And he said to me: 'This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.' And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.
Michael, Gabriel and Raphael ranking above the Seraphim isn't really a new concept at all. Phanuel mentioned here is sometimes identified with Uriel.
Especially if the "Speaker of God" in the show ends up being Metatron.
>Metatron
Second only to god. God's Scribe(might be "God's Speaker")
>Seraphiel
The Head Seraphim and protector of Metatron.
Sera is likely the shows equivalent to Seraphiel.
This gives us 6 Angels in the highest rung: Sera, Michael, Raphael, Uriel, Gabriel and Metatron.
I suspect she's snatching at least some of Enoch.
And that’s the stream over with
What did we learn?
cute adam
>Alastor folds like a wet noodle when he encounters someone he can't oneshot
What a pussy
He was an overly confident little brat going into the battle. Ignoring the 'Angelic weapon' stuff everyone had just learned and spamming his rape-tentacles and lil' skeleton people or whatever they were at Adam, If that was intentional its actually good to show character growth later on
Michael, Raphael and Gabriel, Each dwarfing Lucifer by at least three-heads entering a fight posing like JoJo characters with 'Nanomachines son' tier physiques and Lucifer shitting himself like "O...Oh...Big bros...Your here..."
Don't forget Uriel
He's part of the main 4
Uriel is apocryphal and we don't really know how deep in the weeds Viv will get in that regard
I think in some sects he's replaced by an angel named Phanuel/Peniel
>apocryphal
I'm an /x/ schizo, i do not care. If we're writing fanfiction with archangels appearing we can at least go proper schizo unlike Viv
>that crazed, murderous glare
I defy anyone to find a screengrab that's more pure sex
>Those trips.
It's meant to be.
I don't know what on earth it is about him that makes him so special to me.
I feel like Viv wasn't lying when she said ages ago that 'she didn't make up Alastor, He came to her in a dream'
There's something 'beyond' here, And not just in the way you simp for a fictional character and wish them to be real.
I feel like he IS real, And the more media/merch/art is being created of him and proliferated millions of times - I feel like he just becomes realer and realer still.
I'm terrified of the fact that this would also imply that Sonichu, who also was inspired by a dream, is a high ranking demon from hell
I can honestly understand that, considering what happened to its “creator”
He’s not fat. He is bulking.
Clearly that means he wants you to buck break him.
>Viv is into /x/gay Chaos-Magick and is trying to meme her Alastor into reality.
Viv will never have an Alastor bf. Never ever.
But i will.
Anon you're so dangerously based have you made any progress
I've started visualising him/his face and flooding my internal voice with his name while going to sleep hoping to induce him as a figure within dreams.
I've started trying to reserve an hour before sleep each night to sit down and meditate on nothing but him/his face and flooding my internal voice with nothing but his name, But i have been contemplating if maybe anons like this
are correct and it would be expedient to visualize one of the runes that appears around him when he uses his magic.
If dreams and visualisation stop cutting it for me, Then i'll probably go the full nine-yards with the tulpa stuff and start trying to visualize Al' in my living-room/bed-room with open eyes.
>anon is creating a tulpa of a psychopathic demon obsessed with binding people's souls
I admire your impressive moronation
Anon, If Alastor bound my soul to his, I would be the happiest person in the world - I'd be over the moon.
Make a Charlie too to keep him company, banter, and have sexual tension.
I guarantee she tried her best to make an Alastor tulpa.
Her fat self will never obtain her ideal Alastor bf.
I wonder if rumors about her having an abusive ex-boyfriend at one point are true though.
Hilarious if Viv views herself as beautiful and skinny like Charlie though.
I'm not an Alastorgay by any stretch of the imagination but almost immediately after watching HH he appeared to me in a dream. He was dropping huge glass jars on me from above like Donkey Kong and they shattered on my back causing me immense pain. I woke up sore and sweating.
Someone please tell me what this means
SPILL YOUR BLOOD UPON THE ALTER FOR ALASTOR
You want the deerussy
Is he meant to be turned into a foid in this or is he crossdressing?
He’s a homosexual so yeah. But he’s cute so it doesn’t matter.
It's crossdressing
It amuses me how Japs never bother to Google how English words are spelled before writing them
how would they google a word they don't know how to spell?
ファックのスペル
Simple as
I genuinely wonder how they even translate this series. Japanese is a very polite language, they have vulgar "you"s, "baka" and "kuso" basically, you could fill a whole dictionary of the cusswords of my language, we have like one derogatory alternative term for everything, even cat, dog or woman.
It's a lot less vulgar from what I hear from the Japs with creative liberties taken at points, particularly with how they translate Alastor's dialogue
>Came to her in a dream
This is how I feel about one of my original characters, he helped me out of a city that I assumed to be a purgatory
This dream was in 2012 or 2013 so way before Hazbin was a thing
He was always There and a reader in /div/ confirmed him years later down to describing what he looks like
You're tempting me to get back on my schizo shit especially since I live alone now
Maybe you could draw the runes on paper and hang them around your room, too?
I'm so bad at forcing myself to dream anything to the point I think full lucid dreaming is a meme
My dreams are so out of control but they're always visually rich with the most wacked out nonsensical context
Adam's chub getting a squeeze
Cherubims are peak character design
the GAYdio demon
>is a slave
I can't believe Vivzie actually fujobaited me with VoxVal, they kissed on screen and were included in the Valentines' day merch with only CANON couples what the frick is this
>included in the Valentines' day merch with only CANON couples
What year? It might've been concurrent with the Voxtagram storyline which got semi-retconned with the show
I like the headcanon that Alastor actually has a crush on Rosie but his radioautism has deluded her into thinking he's asexual, which is why he was so baffled at her implication,
Angel died in the 1930s, Stonewall was the 60s.
Yeah, he was part of the Mafia that owned the club
Oh you mean he was at the physical location ok, I thought you meant the riots
Alastor has a bad habit of punching above his weight class.
IS this canon do they all frick each other?
Viv called her the "third wheel" but said they both value her a lot. So they're all friends but Vox and Val are the only ones that frick. Sasuga fujo.
the way viv said they had "sexual tension" almost makes it sound like they haven't fricked, now that would be a shocking development
Vox has cameras all over the city following Val so he can watch him frick his actors. No way they haven't made it to at least third base
>vox jerks off to his obsession fricking other people
>never gets any himself
this is the saddest thing I can possibly imagine, vivzie please confirm they've fricked at least once so vox isn't just a sad voyeuristic cuck
Nah, Vox being a simp who spends his personal time spying and fapping to Alastor eating deer meat and Val cumdumping into his prostitutes is marginally better and funnier.
When did she say this because we all know how she changes her mind on shit
Regardless the Vees are a poly in my mind, Velvette is just the least horny one
like a couple hours ago
>sexual tension
They're all gonna frick later
Like an hour ago during the Q&A, I'd give up on the poly shit though it doesn't seem like anyone on the crew is into the idea
>Val being friendly with a female without ulterior motives and treating her like a little sister
How come he isn't sleazy with Velvette?
Velvette probably just doesn't take that shit from him, she shit-talks two of the most powerful Overlords to their faces in front of the other Overlords. Val is small potatoes comparatively.
Probably because she's more valuable to him without being reduced to a prostitute. Social media queen and all that.
Or maybe he's just not into black chicks.
In theory it's probably because he respects her and she doesn't tolerate his shit, in practice it's because Viv doesn't want Val (or Vox) kissing a black woman.
I swear I saw a poster with both Val and Velvette in the background of VoxTek in the second episode. Maybe they shot a porno?
That was a poster advertising their "love potion" aka the roofies Vox is selling. The same ones he uses to drug and rape Angel during the end of Poison. Which he then shakes hands with Vox for helping him with.
Deepest lore.
>Val is from the 30-40s
>Vox is from the 50-60s
>Velvette probably entered hell in the 2010s, is also confirmed to be the youngest overlord
She's the adopted Daughter of the gay villain couple
>Val is from the 30-40s
70s
Ah, I think I mixed up his description of when he's from with someone else's then
This should be the reality. Why the frick make a horny trio and not make them polygamous or some shit? Whyd viv make velvette at all if all she cares about is yaoi bait? Jesus Christ. Velvette deserves better
The term is OT3
which one is better?
Charvagily because it's three cute girls who all love each other instead of two gay dudes and their gay hag
Yes
>Dragon Ball analogy
This website needs an enema.
It's the easiest and straightforward series to get into, would you like them to use a Hunter Hunter analogy? Because then Alastor is Netero and Adam is the literal King of the Chimera Ants Meruem which Netero ace in the fricking hole was a nuke that its cloud forms of a rose(Nifty doing the stabbing).
Bitter sweet ending, he "lives" and spends his last hours of his life with the sheep haired girl because he took a liking to her just like Adam and Lute
Dante one shots them all
Dante at least admitted he’d probably be in Purgatory for a long time to make up for his sins.
>Angel is trans uwu
>no no, he's just nonbinary
Are kids so brainrotted that they can no longer even wrap their heads around the idea of a good old fashioned homosexual transvestite? That's kinda sad. The prior generation of fujos dropped the ball so hard it fell into the basement.
>they can no longer even wrap their heads around the idea of a good old fashioned homosexual
The Japanese seem to get it just fine
Yeah. Koreans and other Asians seem to still be relatively sane too, judging by fanart. Hardly any fatgays either, which is nice.
They better not make Angel trans. This gay erasure is unacceptable
Will the actually introduce God or the concept of God at any point?
If not how will they explain the 'who decides on who gets into heaven / hell?'
>Will the actually introduce God or the concept of God at any point?
No.
>how will they explain the 'who decides on who gets into heaven / hell?'
They won't. Simple as.
>Not Alastor and Nifty
Why?
You know why!
>we will never get Nifty holding the beer can like a mega gulp bottle
Pain
I tried for you, Anon
Gonna put that as my wallpaper, danke Anone
Just reveal God created everything, then he’s been on vacation and left his angels in charge of running shit.
It's the Demiurge, how can you morons not get it?
Adam is obviously taking the role because he is the image of God.
VoxValsisters, here's your copium
Why does Vivzie always say moronic shit she then has to do damage control for?
i need more
Just remember that the animation director is the world's biggest VoxVal shipper and she wouldn't let us down. Probably.
They were making out in the last episode? What?
My guess is that they're canon in the same way Cherrisnake is canon, in that they've kissed and absolutely have feelings for each other but aren't (yet?) an item in the story
Viv has also liked a lot of fanart that implies Vox wants to frick Al.
Most likely season 2 will explore why they have a torn of photograph and what went wrong, probably reveal Vox was denied the deerussy, then have it end with VoxVal.
I think Vox is just a ryonagay in the sense he gets off on seeing people he hates get raped and abused which is also why he actively helps Valentino frick with Angel. Viv already confirmed we'll be seeing his backstory with Alastor in season 2 though, which is exciting.
>I think Vox is just a ryonagay
Sure now he is, but he clearly liked Al at one point to have a saved picture of the two of them and is over the top bitter about him for a reason. He acts like an angry ex.
>Viv liked pic related on twitter
I bet there will be a Lucifer is bad twist.
Oh nice. I can ship Charlie and Alastor all I want now. (was gonna do that anyway).
I really wish I had Alastors powers I want to vanish in a shadow just to reappear somewhere else
LEAVE REDEMPTION TO ME
someone should make Sissyzza pasta but with Alastor instead
I'M NOT LETTING THIS FAT b***h TELL ME WHAT TO THINK OR HEADCANON HER SHOW TOOK FIVE YEARS TO COME OUT AND IN THAT TIME BETTER FANFICS WERE WRITTEN OF THE PREMISE
THANKS FOR THE TOYS VIV BUT I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE TO SAY ALASTOR CAN ENJOY SEX AND THE VEE POLY IS CANON IN MY HEART WHICH IS THE ONLY PLACE IT COUNTS
why can't you alastorgays just accept that he isn't gonna frick anyone
False he is fricking the Alastoranon soon as she summons him to her room
If he's not fricking anyone in the show then that means i don't have to think about used goods when i imagine cuddling him.
I honestly love the whole ace Alastor thing and him not realizing it.
Like the guy doesn’t know that exists and thinks the only reason he hasn’t felt attraction to anyone is he’s just waiting for the right one to come by is peak funny.
Asexuality isn't even real it's a cope
So is "demi" sexuality, that's just normal for anyone who isn't promiscuous
>Asexuality isn't even real it's a cope
Alastor will never have sex, cope and seethe
Their victim complex is very funny
it's better that he stays aroace, all male characters in Vivzie 1992 c's fujorbit become astronomically less interesting
But did those fics give us Adam and Lute, but without them and heaven cursing?
I don’t think so!!!!!!!
You should write it yourself
>HER SHOW TOOK FIVE YEARS TO COME OUT AND IN THAT TIME BETTER FANFICS WERE WRITTEN OF THE PREMISE
Such as?
>More like ASS-Turd Crowley
>Jacob actually shows up in the second season
>He's a heavenly wrestler and doesn't exterminate sinners, he just punishes then with wrestling
>Velvette gets Spladled or Banana Split'd for being Respectmess
Touch the deer
Bully the deer
Sexualize the deer
Rape the deer
are there actual VoxValgays out there in denial about Val being obsessed with Angel and Vox obsessed with Alastor? Do they seriously think they aren't poly?
When people say they aren't poly they're referring to the fact that they aren't fricking Velvette, they're obviously not exclusive in any sense of the word
This
>Val wants Angel
>Vox wants Alastor
>Lucifer wants Adam but has to seek his wives instead
Is Lucifer going to creep on Lute in Season 2?
>Lucifer wants Adam but has to seek his wives instead
>"I'm going to frick you!" was a Freudian slip all along
Yeah. I definitely see it coming. Charlie and the audience think Lucifer didn’t actually mean it, and he forgot to say “up”. When the Vees, Sinners, Adam, and Lute were having the “oh no” moment, with Lucifer clearly not being disturbed by their reactions.
Lucifer was only confused when he Charlie tried correcting him.
Viv’s writing often has lore-bits disguised as jokes, like with Adam in episode 1. In which Adam described crashed and burned romances he had, while eating ribs, which were meant for the “Adam cannot be fulfilled without Eve” plot, before the “Adam and Lute” changes. And Adam’s “I never made a mistake in my entire life” is about him not regretting staying with the corrupted Eve and letting the Sinners be born, which is stupidly tragic.
The same things happened with Moxxie in Episode 1 and Blitzo in episode 2 of HB.
So Lucifer’s joke line in episode 8 could be a really messed up plot twist. It says a lot when Lucifer immediately talks about Adam’s body, which is quite creepy, and brings up about how sexy and attractive he is to Adam’s wives. So literally, in three direct lines in a row, Lucifer is hitting on Adam. Which is super weird.
Not to mention. Lucifer has dreams about the golden ugly duckling that becomes a golden goose, and he is completely obsessed with it. And Adam is literally the only golden duckling/goose it could be pointing to, since only he has golden wings.
WTF????? This story literally is about Lucifer trying to get in Adam’s pants. This fricking story makes Adam bragging about having the original dick, making it the most desirable dick of all dicks, completely lore relevant!
What frick is this show?(??
>fujo thirstpost
>suddenly turns into Adam schizopost at the end
You had me in the first half, I'm not going to lie. Well done. If one-sided Lucifer/Adam is the price we gave to pay for Adam's return in S2, I'd take that devil's deal.
I am not fricking joking.
The only options for the Lucifer’s golden goose is either ultimate power, Adam, or literally both at once.
And you know as I on how Vivzie’s stupid brain works when we have Val and Angel, and Vox ans Alastor. It’s literally a villain’s trait in this show to go gay on their rival. And Adam is Lucifer’s rival.
Do you honestly have any other suggestions if our brains were infused with VivziePop’s utter Fujo-loving mindset?
I wonder if Lucifer will literally die because of this goofy thing.
Someone post that pic of a really fat Adam looking for Lucifer with binoculars while tiny Lucifer hides under his belly.
Thanks!
>Nah, I'd win
>jobs
Alastor really is Gojo. At least Gojo actually bullied powerful individuals on-screen though, while with Alastor you are just told he's meant to be extremely LE POWERFUL and intimidating, but when it comes down to it he's pathetic. Viv has a massive habit of making EVERY "indimidating" character out to be a massive joke.
But will Cherri and Pentious finally frick in season 2?
We need more Velvette art.
>Velvette meeting Emily, getting herself into actual problems by being respectless
I want to lick her tummy.
She's apparently getting a backstory in season 2 as well, exciting
>the way she swings her hips in Respectless
>and just...make all the Vs know each other from when they were alive?
well no considering they all died in different decades
Everything about Viv's writing is super cheap. She's incapable of writing a compelling narrative.
Was Lucifer seeking Adam’s booty the whole time?
He deduced two of the first three humans and wanted to complete the set.
He only wanted them because they were connected to Adam. So he’s going to creep on Lute.
The Japanese rape fanart says yes.
Yes!
Jacob was a massive homosexual. No wonder the tribes are filled with scumbags.
How exactly was Alastor supposed to fight him if he didn't have angelic weapons?
>Do you think Viv is gonna be super cheap about it and just...make all the Vs know each other from when they were alive?
Velvette almost certainly wasn't alive when Vox died. She might still not have been born when Val died either.
The Angel either let him win, or Jacob lied about it afterwards. There’s no way a man can fight an Angel and win fair and square, especially when Jacob was a spindly little twink compared to his brother.
Mankind was literally designed to make angels kneel.
Jacob clearly played dirty, he's a trickster. That's kind of his whole deal. That's probably why the angel/god felt it was fair to dislocate his leg.
Alright so the general interpretation is that once you hit rock bottom, you have to metaphorically "wrestle" with God and why you have so long denied him. Breaking his hip/thigh like that is basically God spanking him for being a naughty child before blessing him for coming clean.
Both interpretations are largely about the nature of struggle and valor, and in both versions God lets him win. Jacob acted like a dirty trickster throughout his life because in each instance he felt inherently deserving of the thing he wanted and its only when he actually has to actually struggle and play honestly with regards to God that he is blessed and begins living a genuinely happy life.
I am surprised how popular this show is in Japan.
People shit on the character designs a lot but it's them that first got people's eyes on the show back during the pilot. Most western cartoons aren't visually appealing to the Japanese at all, but this was an exception. Then you add songs, appealing characters, fujobait and a good Japanese dub to the mix and you've got yourself a hit in Japan.
>People shit on the character designs a lot but it's them that first got people's eyes on the show back during the pilot
I fully agree. I am genuinely surprised seeing this coming from cartoon fans of all things when almost every cartoon we get has designs that look like shit or geometric objects.
At first I thought I wouldn't get into HH/HB since they feel overdesigned, but got used to it quickly. And its fun how different and dynamic everybody looks. I think the charisma is the main selling point of these series, but you don't convey charisma without the right designs, animation and voices.
Tbf you can think Viv has some big shortcomings when it comes to character/art design while also agreeing that HH's design is a breath of fresh air in today's animation.
I love Emily's voice in japanese
Some of my favorite voices in other languages are Italian Adam(the whole Italian dub is great, I think Alastor's radio filter in it is implemented worse than in the English though) and German Lute. Emily's soft "nein" after Sera's confession in German is very good too:
Oh my fricking god Adam is pure perfection.
The dub is rough around the edges though in terms of lip syncing, I wouldn't have noticed when I was younger though.
Italian Hell is Forever and You Didn't Know.
Love both.
I honestly wish we got a local dub here. Swedish dubbing has gone down the shitter in most respects, but the one strong side in recent years is the singers.
The thing is the best dubs will hire local talent, and for that reason countries with a strong theater or musical scene (or just are good in general at churning out talented singers) such as Italy, Korea, and Japan always churn out the best dubs. Countries that mainly rely on 'voice actors' like most Spanish dubs or dubs(especially of vidya or anime) are a lot more hit or miss. Hazbin being a musical also means the foreign language voice directors have to put more effort into casting.
Italy has among the best dubs out there I noticed this years ago (because I understand the language). I sometimes switch through dubs for series I swear it was always the Italian ones that were the best, followed by or equal to Japan. The rest is very hit or miss, unless it's original of course. English originals have top tier voice acting, dubs are usually weaker.
The German dub here surprises me since I like it, especially Adam and Emily. Our dubs are usually dogshit, but maybe it helps that this series is a musical. Can't use your generic minimum wagers if they are supposed to sing.
I probably like Italian Lucifer more than his english version, and I liked his english version already:
>The German dub here surprises me since I like it, especially Adam and Emily. Our dubs are usually dogshit, but maybe it helps that this series is a musical. Can't use your generic minimum wagers if they are supposed to sing.
Yeah. As a swede I can understand a lot of the german with little issue. I do notice more english loanwords than I like in the german dub overall. I feel the translation itself might be a bit lacking, but it is carried alright by the solid voices.
Oh god Italian really suits this guy. The voice is already great but if anybody would assign nationalities to the characters I could totally see him being Italian.
Italian Lucifer is so moe, the way he sings Wap Bam Boom, Alakazam is perfection
I love the delivery on the "Pure Angelic Power" line.
"Non c'è niente come un angelo Serafino!" (There's nothing like Seraph Angel!)
Who's bright idea was it to give Cherri Bomb a botched Australian accent?
From the same place you did which also said Vox died in the 50s which shoots down the "they all knew each other" theory.
>Make the perfect tumblr sexyman
>Make him Ace
What is the thinking behind him, his character has already been ruined. Might as well have fun with it
>What is the thinking behind him
Viv not wanting to share him
Unironically what
said. The price she had to pay to bring her sexyman husbando to life was exposing him to tens of thousands of fellow degenerates.
>H-he's aroace tho
is defensive squid ink blasted into the faces of her sister fujos and yumejos. Too bad it only worked on Western audiences, and not very well at that.
I think Viv knows it doesn't work but the payoff is that people know not to expect any canonical shipping with Alastor.
>defensive squid ink
I'm laughing so hard at that visual but I agree 100%
That shit did not work well at all because everyone is horny for him anyway
And now he has the forbidden fruit aspect on top of tumblr sexyman
This is the most hilarious part because I don't want any canon ships with him in the first place and it just makes it easier to pair him with my OC
Only just now am I realizing that I don't have to break him up with a canon love interest (or cope if such a love interest wasn't someone I could self insert with, which no Viv characters are self insertable for me) and I feel so dumb for not seeing this sooner
Through the fog of seething about how moronic the aroace thing is finally I see the light
>it just makes it easier to pair him with my OC
nta but god I love the fujos of this board.
>fujos
I think you meant yumes
A bottom is a bottom.
>implying I don't imagine him topping me
>fujos
If they ship him with another male, sure
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eJmtyYxDyapAj2GMG7zwDOUjno66CDIcxvzKBmLZIMo/edit
>Vox died in the 1950’s, and Valentino may have died in the 1970’s.
I took the "may have" to mean he could've died in the 80s/60s since the pimp look was around for those decades too. Even that aside there's no way Velvette is from the 1950s.
>https://hazbinhotel.fandom.com/wiki/Vox
>Date of death 1950s[1][note 1]
> HAZBIN HOTEL FASHION STREAM for the COMICS!! (archived). Recorded at 13:16.
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eJmtyYxDyapAj2GMG7zwDOUjno66CDIcxvzKBmLZIMo/edit
I'd like to see more of alastor in different hairstyles
Stupid bratty asexual deer, tempting men.
Mating press correction is needed.
I wish it'd be a recurring joke that everyone in the show wants to mating press the deer but he's not interested
Is it just me or has the "nya nya Viv I'm gonna ship Charlastor and you can't stop me!" posting increased since the show came out? It sounds like they were expecting something else from the show to vindicate them, which is weird since they got a whole bit about Alastor manipulating Charlie to piss of Lucifer in episode 5. Maybe they were hoping for more crew members to support it?
Don't ship Charlastor but I think there was an increased shitpost reaction to "Hell's Best Dad" being like this supposed smoking gun against the ship when, as others pointed out, the song comes off like a father trying to assert against a soon to be son-in-law as the "man in her life". Even Alastor's "you could almost call me dad" feels like some weird kinda DDLG or "your daughter calls me daddy too" shit. Maybe we've all just been on the internet too long
Tbh even though the "your daughter calls me daddy too" has sort of leaked into the mainstream I think that part was more for the newer, more general audiences to let them know that Alastor doesn't have romantic/sexual intentions towards Charlie.
Again, it feels like a disconnect between the queer culture the show was based around and the old school trope.
Both in media and in real life, of a father/son in-law who really don't like each other and are trying to assert each other as the "man in her life". If you're even in your 20s, the latter is a situation you're used to seeing on TV all the time and one you may have seen irl once or twice The whole song basically comes off as a dick measuring contest between the two over who is the more reliable male. Meanwhile in queer culture, that "surrogate friend-father" is more common and likely to trade blows with the actual father in a very similar way.
Also I don't think you would tell the woman for whom you're trying to be a male figure who also fricks her that she's like the daughter you never had.
Anon, the whole point was he was mocking Lucifer. Since I don't ship it, I'll switch to canon. He still didn't mean he actually sees Charlie as a daughter. He just wanted to piss off Lucifer because that was his only goal in the song and Charlie was just his means for doing so
They are competing for Charlie's anal virginity
There is no context where an adult man would talk to an adult women about her potentially calling him 'dad', And furthermore mock said womens father about the idea without it having a sexual inflection.
Even if Alastor himself was joking and doesn't want to bang, And doesn't know modern normiebabble or whatever - I doubt, seriously, he would actually be so clueless as to not understand this. The bad-boy/don-juan swooping in and pseudo-cuckolding the father out of his daughter has been a thing in literature forever - No matter how back to the past Alastor is, He would understand that.
Alastor really did basically say to Lucifer "Your daughter calls me daddy in bed as well btw" - He KNEW what that would be interpreted as by any man with a degree of pride, And there's no other sane conclusion one could possibly come to.
>There is no context where an adult man would talk to an adult women about her potentially calling him 'dad'
Maybe in an especially acrimonious stepfather versus deadbeat dad situation. But that implies things about Alastor and Lilith that Vivzie really wouldn't want. It's pretty funny either way, especially if Lilith is the one holding his contract.
To be fair if she hadn’t put Charlie in a pre-established relationship then her and Alastor would be the atypical romance the show would develop.
Like the idea of this big shot heartless bad boy overlord helping the sweet cinnamon roll princess with her hotel idea only to catch feelings and start to actually care?
That’s some standard female oriented romance novel territory right there and people would and are eating it up.
yep. Some would naturally think Charlie and Al are a slow-burn romance thing about a manipulative monster eventually getting softened and changing his views (cliche, yes. but it's part of the appeal). vaggie is like a piece of cardboard in between them trying to keep them separate.
Imagine the Charlastor shippers who are completely new and they're too normie to watch things like Q&A videos or read anything "behind the scenes"
Imagine the Charlastor shippers who didn't catch Rosie's remark because they are not alphabet people
Imagine the massive amount of people, who will never come to this board or say much on Twitter, who are thinking that this is how it's gonna go because they literally don't know any better
I hope when the time comes they raise hell and there are mountains of carnage on Twitter from all of the fighting because it would be hilarious
Anyone who gets invested enough in the shipping will come into the fandom on their own and find out that Alastor is asexual.
Like that'll stop them
Like it's stopped anyone
Has there ever been a case like this with any other character? It's all so bizarre
Canon never stops shippers, saying Chaggie is canon certainly didn’t stop the guy from spending 50k to waifu Charlie.
Well yeah it won't stop anything but it'll make any potential "Charlastors rise up" movement immensely cringe. "I willfully ignored the hints, and it isn't my fault". Some pathetic shit right there.
Yeah, plus you have to be a certain degree of autistically invested in any fandom before you enter its shipping culture
well I really don't care what Viv says.
She's good at coming up with concepts and ideas, but she struggles to deliver on anything in a satisfying manner.
Other people have taken her characters and done insanely creative and impressive things with them.
silly anon
ace means room for character development
gradual shift from utilitarian to a romantic relationship is a tale as old as time
Charlastor shippers are eating pretty good with Season 1. As in, they had a lot of cute screen time together, they have a good dynamic, and Alastor gets very handsy with Charlie a lot. It helps that Chaggie still feels rather bland and forced.
Also Alastor's new VA seems cool with the Charlastor ship. Maybe doesn't endorse it, just subtly agrees it's kinda cute.
>Doesn't endorse it
>Didn't know what "aroace" was until he voiced Alastor and the fans "taught" him
He loves it he just doesn't wanna endorse it for fear of Viv and the fans alike
>Charlastor shippers are eating pretty good with Season 1
Yeah I know, that's why I'm asking why there's been so much cope from them lately.
not necessarily. Just making fun of Viv putting her fat foot down and sticking with Chaggie no matter what. (her steps break the earth beneath)
There's still a certain portion of the fanbase who shit their pants over Charlastor and claim it's "toxic."
You can twist anything to say it’s a toxic ship, like I’m sure Charlie picking up some random injured hobo angel and taking her home and eventually falling in love with her can be seen as toxic in some way.
Yeah, in fact I saw butthurt Charalastor fans claiming Chaggie was abusive once because of Vaggie pushing Charlie in a cartoony way kek
>trying to psychoanalyze bog-standard Cinemaphilentrarianism
How do we fix this color. Don't want to delete the dino girl. Also didn't do shit with her in the show.
i like the color it's very 90s/00s
My God why is this thread so full of cope?
Because we want your ass, Anon
Over what?
prostitutelastor is shipped with everyone.
Now Viv just needs to make a G/PG rated HazbinHotel:Chibi which is 10x's more fun to watch then what the actual show turns into.
>It's a Charlastorgays can't accept their ship isn't canon episode
It isn't canon, But is superior to canon.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad
It's genuinely hard for me to guess the gender for fans of this series for some reason. I guess that Alastor is rather someone who is popular among women, Adam rather the guys, but then again a lot of anons that want to frick Adam, so not sure if gay or woman. Vox fans sound male again, Lucifer fans both. But honestly hard to tell and I guess that this is the exact type of series that attracts gays and trannies which makes guessing way harder.
It has a healthy mix of fans of both genders, mainly due to both the male and females being immensely frickable.
>be me, female, bisexual
>almost all the male characters are frickable in some capacity
>Alastor is king husbando this series
>Followed by Vox (it's fine if they frick each other too but I like Vox with Val more actually)
>a few girls are frickable too
>Charlie, Velvette, Lute, Emily
>Would also let Nifty play with me since she seems fun (I know, she's straight)
There are other girls who want to frick Vox though, r-right?
Vox is popular. There was a popular vtuber I saw on Twitter who said she wanted to frick Vox... which caused a bit of a stir because there's a male vtuber named Vox as well and people got confused.
>caused a bit of a stir because there's a male vtuber named Vox as well and people got confused.
Kek, just like the Loona in Mexico
>Lucifer has a keyblade
>JOBlastor has one too
We Kingdom Hearts now
Vox's gap moe between manipulative charismatic media god vs excitable dork who can lose his cool at the drop of a hat makes me want to tease him!
HH is the first western cartoon I've watched in years for that very reason
The characters are not only attractive but come with so many flavors of fetish fuel
Cannibalism, sharp teeth, hypnosis, drugging, size differences, all the furry or furry-esque designs with multiple arms, the anatomical implications, horns, there's too much to list
I'm right there with you. I also like it because it feels like one of the few western cartoons airing right now that's more concentrated on being fun than being preachy. I really like VoxVal which is fricked up on just about every level and I can't imagine many other cartoons attempting to portray a gay relationship like that. I see a lot of Japanese fans talking about how they're impressed it still manages to be entertaining while including "inclusive" elements and how it makes other western works look bad in comparison.
>be me, female-
You know the rules
I am honestly baffled about the adamant resolution of western cartoon creators to make everybody unattractive. I can guarantee you that HH wouldn't be half as popular if people weren't attracted to the characters.
Honestly think that characters that are anti-sexual or ugly on purpose are dumb even for kid cartoons, but it's absolutely incomprehensible why they would do this with adult cartoons as well. Almost all of them look like a mix between RaM, Family Guy and American Dad. Why? There are zero downsides to having pretty designs but some huge upsides.
I'm also female and I've already jacked off to vox like 10 times
I think him and velvette are underrated though. They should have a sugar daddy/baby relationship tbdesu
This thread is so blasphemous
>mfw will see another shipping war
By the end of it, I'll be a winner
>spoiler
Mea Culpa
in the end, /ourgirl/ will come out on top
Not taking sides, just gonna reap in the art and watch the mayhem from afar
/OURGIRL/
>Swedish subtitles accidentally made Emily really rude
Utböling can mean outsider, but is much more associated with being a rather rude way to call someone an outcast/misfit.
It's also a synonym of Myling, the vengeful ghost of a murdered child.
Already did.
niffty twerk on y dick or whatever
That'll be $50,000 dollars.
she can have my whole wallet if she bounces on my wiener
does alastors voice becoming clear actually have any rules now
cant get over him being voiced by an arab by the way
What's the significance of that?
Charlie x Alastor is the perfect ship and it's hilarious seeing Viv throw a fit about it
Charlie x Emily has potential but Emily's gonna have to do more for me to consider it
Charlie x Vaggie is so damn boring though
Man even Sarcastic Chorus is saying Chaggie is boring.
I firmly believe it would be better received if Stephanie Beatriz had used her real voice instead of the Brooklyn 99 deadpan
Niffty is the key to all of this
>Nifty looks a bit like the key
>Similar one eye
Anon you might be onto something.
Perhaps
>needle
>stitches
Makes you think
Adam Blast
also he pretty much told Alastor "have a nice day edgelord."
still like Al though
Post characters Alastor would job to.
All of them.
He'll always find a way
my penis
>Throughout the entire series, the key cat has never been mentioned or had its existence validated
What kind of chekhov's gun shit is this?
I can't ever get enough of this
The animators threw a lot of little details like this into the show, it's really a labor of love by fans which is great
doesn't he say "This frickin' guy" out loud?
haha Lucifer I'm gonna be your son-in-law
>even Vaggie was happy to have him back
That's surprising.
I like how he lets Charlie call him Al, its cute.
Charlie meets DIO
Fricking Lucifer while ruffling his wing feathers!
The VoxVal fans on Twitter are on fricking suicide watch holy shit
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I genuinely don't understand why they're upset. Not dating means not in a romantic relationship. Frick buddies are not "dating". A couple currently in an off phase of an on-again-off-again are not "dating". Guys who casually shack up but frick a dozen other partners on the regular probably aren't in a romantic relationship and I don't care if the homosexual lobby pretends otherwise.
But none of this precludes the TV and the pimp from having lots of sex and maybe even liking each other the best. What am I missing?
Their headcanon got destroyed, simple as
Why is this so funny?
It's like
said I don't understand what the issue is
What the frick
t. am a VoxValgay
I saw a Japanese fan translate it in a pretty shabby way (they completely omitted the parts where she specifies they have a connection and that this is just how they are at the current part in the story) and it got a lot of traction so I imagine that doesn't help any
Way I see it is they're obviously written to be fricking and have some kind of feelings towards each other which is all that matters
VoxAl is superior anyway
It's true, cope
Alastor is never having sex anon. You need to accept reality.
>Alastor is never having sex WILLINGLY
FTFY.
That'd make vox even harder
The way the voice actors say it, it sounds like Charlie is calling Vaggie "homosexual" most of the time
Poor b***h can't catch a break
>trying to put it back
Why is she so worried about that? He'll end up jobbing to her anyway
Alastor can easily mass murder a bunch of standard Exterminators. Vaggie would get destroyed by him.
She's most likely not that much stronger than a regular exterminator (Lute kicked her ass most of their fight) and since sadly they turned up be a bunch of jobbers (still frick you for that Viv) Alastor would have a decent chance of beating her
Vaggie needs more little interactions like this with the rest of the cast so I can actually enjoy her in the show.