Legally speaking he isn't, my uncles a judge and said that the scariest thing about these movies. You couldn't convict jiggy
Legally speaking he isn't, my uncles a judge and said that the scariest thing about these movies.
Legally speaking he isn't, my uncles a judge and said that the scariest thing about these movies. You couldn't convict jiggy
He's guilty of being a white, heterosexual male in 2023. And there's no getting out of that, checkmate jigsaw bros.
>white
He's Irish
Checkmate, copcuck
>He's Irish
Even worse, straight to jail
>jiggy
I remember banjo kazooie
Ikambokam
Obsessed
He can just use greasepaint or shoe polish to make himself black.
>You couldn't convict jiggy
of kidnapping? yes you could.
Be didn't kidnap them, he simply relocated them, they were always free to leave
What about the boy he put in the safe in Saw 2?
He was keeping him safe haha until his father returned. He made a legitimate mistake in that it was a timelock safe, but the boy was fine and Jigsaw repeatedly said that he was safe and would be okay when the timer ran out. Besides, the boy never once asked to be released, so there was implied consent since he played the game in the first place.
Excellent post
Um sweaty, all of them were adults.
Did you forget about the Cop's son in Saw 2?
Pretty sure putting people into death+torture traps is a crime, no matter how good your defense is, judge and jury won't take your bullshit excuse
Is this guy zogged or what?
Yes
Then Jiggy comes back and takes his revenge, thus continuing the cycle
Kek
Now that would be interesting.
A jigsaw wronged by corrupt cops, pushed to go down a dark path where his udually noble principles are put to the test.
TARGET AQUIRED
Pretty sure it's assault yeah
the eternal jigsaw bait post
>Goons did the kidnapping
>No one can prove he gave the orders
>No one could prove he built the traps
>No paper trail
He would walk
>I just took people against their will, put bear traps on their head and hid they key inside their stomach lol all they have to do is cut their stomach open and they're free to leave I didn't kill anyone, you cant convict me
OK homosexual
>kidnapping
>false imprisonment
>impersonating an officer
>endangerment
>breaking and entering
how you gon kidnap and adult idiot
As a law professor, I show these films to my students. I use them as examples of scenarios which at first glance seem like slam dunk cases, but in fact are non-prosecutable crimes.
it's true, I'm on the Supreme Court and John Roberts and I were discussing how Jigsaw would obviously receive a unanimous decision exonerating him if the case came before us
Best post
slitting a cop's throat not a crime?
The Saw films take place in NJ. In a self defense case in NJ, while there is a duty to retreat, if one is infirm or incapable of retreating, is justified in using lethal force.
Jiggy satisfied those conditions, thus his claim of self defense from a person invading his property would be justified.
There's a significant amount of MC activity there though.
That was a peaceful protest, chud. ACAB
Not after they broke into his private torture chamber without a warrant
Morally speaking, my uncle is a theologian and said the scariest thing an out the Bible? Even though God created the cosmos and knew the snake was going to lie and tell Adam & Eve could eat the apple and had no way to know he was lying because they had no knowledge of good and evil prior to eating the fruit, God is no culpable because, technically, they had a choice. He’s completely in the clear
Your uncle is wrong lol, and not a theologian
smartest christcuck
Not an argument. Seethe
>Your excenlency, my client, Jigsaw didnt commit any crime. It was just a movie. Every single personel involved signed a contract and no real harm was done to them.
Case closed
In Jigsaw hes shown to have flatscreen tvs that can stream in full HD in the late 90s/early 2000s. There has to be a law somewhere against time traveling.
HD TVs literally existed back then though, they were just expensive
hes guilty of gettin jiggy with it!
Cause kidnapping people ain't a crime, huh?
If you are found unconscious, and an ambulance transports you to a hospital for treatment, is that kidnapping? I think not. Jiggy's guests could leave any time that they desired.
Not if they're restrained or locked in a room like they always are. Christ these threads are moronic
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE JIGSAW!
NOW THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR ME
SO EVERYBODY
JUST FOLLOW ME
CUZ WE NEED A LITTLE
CONTROVERSY
CUZ IT FEELS SO EMPTY WITHOUT ME
>Your honour, we can both agree that this man was killed by a shot piercing his vital organs, with a bullet? This very bullet here in fact.
>Now, your honour. I mean no disrespect, but:
>do I look like a bullet?
>the jurys face when
You literally cannot convict Jiggy
>The court judges you guilt of dragging the movise series too far
Death penalty
>The supreme court and the constitutions faces when they grant a full pardon before the execution date.
"Objection your honor! The movies consistently turned a profit, meaning my client was just giving people what they wanted."
Jigsaw was dead for those, it was Hoffman who dragged them out. Face it, you can't convict Jiggy.
Ha ha wouldn't it be funny if like, ha ha, the Lady Jigsaw like, made a trap that was a glass box for your head and -get this- she... Ha ha! She stuck her ass in the box and just kept blasting huge, rancid farts in your face until you ran out of air and died?
Ha ha! Oh man, that would be so scary, right? Her huge, sweaty, unwashed ass hovering above your face, twitching butthole inches away. Each horrific, rumbling brap cutting the available oxygen and filling your lungs with her stink. Ha ha, oh jeez! What a clever trap, Jigsaw! How will they ever catch you?
leave jigsaw to me
*sets him free with ease* (he was painfully innocent)
>Okay hear me out, I get it, my client has been painted as a madman, a serial killer, movies, merchandise, the whole shabang. But you, Mary, sorry, your honor have you watched the movies?
>“I don’t see how this is relevant…but yes I have.”
>Okay now from what you’ve seen, have any of these, let’s call them contestants since my client has a fetish for games, did any of these contestants escape and leave?
>Judge thinks for a minute and nods unhappily. “From what I remember yes…”
>Okay right, and of those that escaped, from what you remember, and no one is questioning your wonderful memory my dear, did any of them actually appreciate the game, or even, dare I say it, become a disciple?
>“Mr. Goodman, one case does not…”
>I get it I get it your honor, and I agree the whole “game” thing is a bit cooky, but he changed that girls life. Made her want to live. Forget Prozac, I’ll buy from this guy next time I get the wee pies. Now who here doesn’t wish they had a better view of life? Raise your hand if everything is perfect for you….
>scene cuts to Jigsaw shaking his hand
>Raise your hand if everything is perfect for you….
you dun goofed didnt you gumbo brain?
>afterwards, Saul is forced into his own game with Chuck, Kim, and Howard forced into it as well.
>”Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, esteemed members of the court, today we find ourselves delving into the perplexing case of Mr. John Kramer, better known as Jigsaw, a man whose unconventional methods have stirred controversy. But let us not rush to judgment. My client, Jigsaw, isn't your typical criminal mastermind. He operates in a realm of moral ambiguity, forcing his subjects to confront their own sins and seek redemption. Yes, his methods are unconventional, even extreme, but let's not forget that every participant in his "games" is presented with a choice. They have the opportunity to prove their worthiness and emerge changed, reformed even. My client challenges us to question whether he's truly a menace or an unorthodox savior, pushing the boundaries of justice. Remember, the law isn't always black and white; sometimes, it's a puzzle with pieces that don't fit neatly together. And that's where we find ourselves today, unraveling the enigma that is Jigsaw, a man who, in his own twisted way, believes he's doing the right thing.”
>NOOOOO BUT LE KIDNAPPING UMMM LE MURDER UMMM LE UMMM
this makes the Cinemaphile troon implode
>"Speak a lil' chinese for 'em, Jiggy."
I asked my dad whos a judge and after he watched all the movies he said he said there is no way you would get jiggy convicted. From the view of the detectives in the movies they have literally zero proof that Kramer did anything.
Kidnapping? Prove he actually did it.
Do you have a witness? nope.
Do you have anything any proof that could prove without a doubt that Kramer was actually present at all?
The Man has brain cancer and it would be impossible to nail him on anything.
nowadays they even teach these movies in law school.
The genius of jigsaw
Boobytrapping is illegal
show proof he actually made these boobytraps or placed them
The buildings were owned by his wife. She would be the one responsible for any booby traps on the premises.
where is the proof? we have one 'witness' (Amanda) who could have just made some bullshit story for killing her boyfriend.
Clever girl
Realistically speaking, how do you stop him???
he always asked for their consent THOUGH
>put a bomb in someone's head
>it's not murder because the victim didn't cut his eye out and pull it out
you dont have proof that Kramer did it.
anyone could have planted the bomb in the victims head.
Dr. Gordon did that
>kidnapping
>tresspasing
>endangerment
>homicide by negligence
>drug possesions
>inadecuate disposal of medical waste
>tax evasion
>and some parking violations.
but what can you actually prove in a court?
nothing
they always get you for tax evasion, they have rabbis and other moneyhounds there.
If they need to convict him they’ll conveniently find CP on his computer
They wouldn’t really do that… would they?
What tax evasion?
Kramer has no income, there is nothing to tax.
Plus I seriously doubt Jigsaw had the deeds to all the various warehouse spaces he used for his traps.
Kramer did none of it. Amanda did most.
All the properties were owned by his wife
>>tax evasion
They were paying taxes, which is how they rescued the people in 7 when they finally realized that all the properties were owned by his wife.
>They were paying taxes
they always get you for tax evasion,ALWAYS, regardless of whatsoever, THEY ALWAYS GET YOU FOR TAX EVASION!
>Here's the kid I was telling you about
>wanna get Jiggy with me, babe?
Wow I always thought this was an edit he looks hilarious
I'm the uncle judge and I agree with this post.
I'M GOING MEDIEVAL ON YOUR ASS, JIGSAW. I'M NOT THROWING THE BOOK BUT THE WHOLE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS ON YOU. YOU GONNA GET SO FINED I'LL MAKE TREATY OF VERSAILLES LOOK LIKE A PARKING TICKET.
>GIVE ME YOUR ROBE AND YOUR TRAP
>AND YOUR OTHER TRAP
>AND YOUR OTHER TRAP
>AND YOUR OTHER TRAP
He does not have a business so osha regulations don't apply to his machinations
Wait? Are you telling me you are doing this...for free? What kind of loser would spend so much time and effort for no monetary compensation?
The Urban Renewal Group abided by OSHA.
He found a loophole in which he had police officers make them kill themselves and there was nothing they could do about it
What would happen if he did this to the supreme court members and the president?
America would instantly become a better place.
>What would happen if he did this to the supreme court members and the president?
Jigsaw putting the president in one of his games would've been pretty kino.
I'm John Kramer and it's true. There is literally nothing the justice system can legally do to me
>gets brain cancer
>denied insurance cover
NOOOOOOO
Piranha
you could convict him of MURDER, easily. The judicial system isn't some autistic clown show where you can slaughter as many people as you want as long as you said "I'm not touching you" the whole time you had your hired goons do it
yeah but this is a recurring bait thread so it doesnt matter what you write
My dad, who is a judge with 30 years of experience says you're wrong
He never killed anyone, the choices are up to them. This is stated outright in the movie.
Attempted murder. He slashed the throat of a detective who was arresting him.
Those guys broke into his house without a warrant and never identified themselves as cops. He'd have a pretty good case for self defense regarding the knife.
The Mannequin Factory wasn't a building that John Kramer owned legally. He's just a squatter who has no castle rights even in the USA.
>The factory was a large multi-story building located at 213 Stygian Street. It was originally used for the production of store window mannequins, but was closed at some point. After that, it was used by K2K, a criminal street gang, which controlled a small territory at 118th Street. They used the abandoned factory as a base and marked it with several gang tags. However, they eventually abandoned the building.
>After some time, it became the new hideout of John Kramer, better known as the Jigsaw Killer. John used the upper floor as his workshop, where he built his deadly traps and recorded the instruction tapes for his victims.
https://sawfilms.fandom.com/wiki/Mannequin_Factory
Still, two punks waving firearms about and threatening him without identifying themselves. Clear case of self-defense.
>without identifying themselves
?t=223
>"Freeze! Police!"
Do they show ID and a warrant for his arrest hmmm? Any capable defense lawyer would humiliate them.
Probably cause. They don't need to show ID or a warrant. On a related note, how many people do you think Amanda has smothered to death with her ass?
Unnecessary since he's an extremely dangerous individual with a hostage, and his first response was to trigger a device that John himself says will kill its victim in 60 seconds. He essentially even threatens them and says if they don't let him escape, then there will be no way to stop the trap.
Unfortunately, Sing outwits him by destroying the devices of the trap, and he responds by throwing a tantrum and attacking a police officer who hasn't done anything except hold him at gunpoint.
Problem is, both of those cops die, leaving the prosecution entirely without witnesses. Thus jiggy's account of the incident could not be disputed and the judge would have to let him go.
There is a surviving witness, though. Jeff, the man in the drill chair, doesn't die. Since Jigsaw flees, both Tapp and Jeff are rescued by police.
Fair, but remember that Jeff does not witness jiggy killing anyone. Knifecop lives and he does not see what happens to the other cop. Murder charge will still be tricky.
And that is provided he will actually testify against jigsaw. The experience might have given him a newfound appreciation of life, like the others that made it out alive.
Jeff was actually set to return as an accomplice in an early draft of IV.
Really?
Yes, you can read the draft here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1qRdLGXjEUyDcmqy_h81ermjhwz-a3YZ8
His name is changed to Ned Baker though.
Just to clarify since it linked to the folder rather than directly to the file, it's the second one labeled Saw IV. The first one comes from months later and is very close to the final product.
Thanks for linking these, I'm going to read them all later.
Not a willing accomplice but he was supposed to be a forced accomplice like Art and Zep.
That's not specified in the script.
He has an exploding collar or something, read it agani.
>Freeze Police
Anyone home intruder can yell this, which is why police are required to provide id and a badge incident to an arrest. Jigsaw had a reasonable fear that he was being robbed and acted accordingly. Case dismissed.
They're not in his home, and he has a hostage in a death trap. Prosecution will just make the case that Jigsaw admitted to non-consensual drug use, and disobeyed police instructions by not remaining absolutely still--instead opting to trigger it. Even going as far as to entirely disable the ability to turn it off.
Conjecture, speculation. Please strike that from the record. Oh, and did you actually see the face of the person in the hooded robe? No? Case dismissed for lack of evidence.
Prove Jigsaw put him in the trap. Jigsaw was urban exploring and came across this helpless person. Next thing he knows these two criminals are pointing guns at him.
also he has a brain tumor and was talking gibberish, he never actually gave a confession to anything.
so even it someone heard him say anything it wouldnt hold up in court
I know chud bootlickers wish otherwise but squatters still have constitutional protections. In this case, 4th amendment controls against warrantless searches. Moreover, even if it didn't, Jigsaw still has a right to self defense, which in this case, he asserted capably.
They didn't threaten his life or hurt him. He was in no danger. They were making an arrest immediately after he admitted to drugging and kidnapping a person using tranquilizers who was in clear distress while surrounded by evidence used in a murder investigation that they had tracked down from Amanda's video tape. They identified themselves as police.
>They didn't threaten his life or hurt him
They put a shotgun to his head and never produced badges, even though police are required to do so. Jigsaw feared it was a violent home invasion and defended himself.
It's not his home, it's an abandoned building. He has a hostage he admits to kidnapping and drugging, who is in clear danger and distress. His demeanour and comfort among the evidence also demonstrates that he's familiar with the tools used in the Jigsaw murder case. As ridiculous as asking to see a police badge when you're in the process of an attempted murder.
They even ask him for the correct key to let his victim out of the trap, and he refuses to tell them; so along with putting someone into a deadly situation, he also refuses to help them when it would be fully possible for him to do so. He also makes it worse by disabling a potential avenue for saving the victim by destroying the cords controlling the on-off button.
Ok, well lets put the two detectives on the stand to give their testimony of the events. Oh they're both dead? Case dismissed.
It’s never explicitly stated he purchased it, but we can surmise that he did given the URG is literally all about purchasing abandoned worn down buildings
Headcanon. We can surmise he did not since it's the location of several murders. It wouldn't make any sense for him to do this in buildings associated with his name. He would fall under immediate investigation if his traps took place in buildings he actually owned. This is why the only time it's logical to say he owns the structure is in Saw 3 with the Gideon trial.
That was clearly an accident where he tripped and accidentally slashed the cops jugular.
See
Prove that he knew that blade was there, he was probably waving at them.
>you can either die outright or be horribly mutilated and very likely die from your injuries later
Nobody's buying it, Jiggy.
He never said that.
The judge would shut you down for contempt of court if you tried to greentext sarcasm in the courtroom.
rape at gunpoint is still illegal you moron
He never raped anyone either u dummy.
are you moronic
Name a single example.
They weren’t hired goons jackass, they did it for free, you have NOTHING to go off here
So did the Manson family
Mansons promised sex and drugs pretty sure, so it’s definitely something
Sorry kid but thats exactly what it is and you can indeed get away with it case in point jigsaw, case closed recess is over.
Not a single DA could convict the man.
Civil suits, though, would bankrupt him.
Let's be honest. If they convicted Manson, who never killed or even kidnapped anyone, they could convict John.
>noooo you can't just convict him he didn't technically murder anyone
False equivalency, never gave anyone a choice
Wrong. Sharon Tate had every choice to not be in that house on that night.
Did you know it's illegal to set up traps that are intended to kill people even in your own house?
I knew that's true in my jurisdiction, but didn't know it is international law.
I did know that. It's illegal even in places like Texas where they have the Castle doctrine which encourages you to shoot people who break into your home.
They never say it's illegal in the saw movies, so we might assume the laws there don't match ours in that regard.
NOW EVERYBODY FROM THE NYPD
DROP YOUR MOTHERFRICKING BADGES CAUSE I AM WALKING FREE
NOW EVERYBODY FROM THE NYPD
DROP YOUR MOTHERFRICKING BADGES LOOK LOOK
NOW WHILE HE’S A COP
NOTICE THAT THIS MAN DOES NOT KNOW ANY LAW
THAT UNIFORM’S GOT YOU GASSED UP
NOW, WHO'S AFRAID OF THE BIG BAD COP?
ONE, TWO, THREE, AND TO THE FOUR
ONE CHARGE, TWO CHARGES, THREE CHARGES, FOUR
FOUR CHARGES, THREE CHARGES, TWO CHARGES, ONE
YOUR CHARGES, HIS CHARGES, NO CHARGES, NONE
THIS GUY AIN'T NO MOTHERFRICKING PD
I KNOW EVERYTHING HE'S 'BOUT TO CHARGE AGAINST ME
MY HAIR’S WHITE, I WEAR A HOODED ROBE
WELL CHICKS DIG AN OLD MAN WHO’S A GOTH
MY BOY HOFFMAN IS A HOTHEAD COP
I DO GOT A BLONDE FRIEND LARRY GORDON, MY BRO
WHO CUTS HIMSELF IN HIS LEG WITH HIS OWN SAW
MY BRAIN IS ALL SCREWED UP BY A CANCER LUMP
AND IT FALLS PIECE BY PIECE
I'M STILL STANDING HERE SCREAMING, "FRICK THE POLICE!"
DON'T EVER TRY TO ARREST ME, DUDE
YOU DON'T KNOW HALF THE LAWS I'VE READ THROUGH
BUT I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT YOU
YOU ARE A CROOKED COP, NOW THAT'S A REAL CRIME YO
WHAT'S THE MATTER, DAWG? YOU EMBARRASSED?
THIS GUY'S A COPPER? HE LIKES TO PLANT EVIDENCE
AND COPPY LIKES TO CRASH WITHOUT A SEARCH WARRANT
AND GETS UPSET IF IN RETURN GETS HALF HIS FACE BLOWN OUT
THIS GUY WILL NOT PRESS CHARGES, HE'S BOOKED
'CAUSE AIN'T NO SUCH THINGS AS LEGAL CROOKS
HE'S SCARED TO DEATH, HE'S SCARED TO LOOK
AT THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS REPORT; FRICK FIVE-0!
FRICK THIS SHIT, MY NAME IS JOHN KRAMER
AND FRICK THIS FRICKING COURT, FRICK THE COPS, FRICK THE BAILERS
FRICK EVERYBODY! FRICK THE LAW IF YOU JAIL ME!
I SURVIVED MY OWN DELIBERATE CAR CRASH, I SAY IT PROUDLY
AND FRICK THIS TRIAL, I DON'T WANNA WIN, I'M OUTTIE
HERE, TELL THESE PEOPLE SOME LAW THEY ALL KNOW EXCEPT ME
>70 yo white not-murderer shows up
>starts rapping at the same speed as eminem.
kino, he walks free
At my law firm, we have mock trials using the Saw films as case subject matter. Jigsaw is, of course, the defendant. One of the lowliest paralegals is always assigned as his defense attorney, and the senior partners act as the prosecution. We have some of the best trial attorneys in the state but they have never been able to convict Jigsaw. Cracking the Jigsaw defense is like the holy grail of criminal law.
my dad is a big shot lawyer and I can confirm this is true
I'm Hammurabi and it's true, I would have no claim to punish him
Amanda looked so much better in Saw 2 than in the others
Did Hoffman ever?
What do you think her braps smell like?
Like shit
So you're saying you'd suck the farts out of her car seat? Kinky! How much of her pee do you think you could drink in one sitting?
I want to lick her unwashed armpits
>sawgays are still shilling this crap franchise
>still can't say something other than "you couldn't convict jiggy"
A shitty fanbase for a shitty franchise. Match made in hell KEK
the real genius in these movies is how jigsaw would be impossible to convict.
its just simply not possible.
Then why are the cops looking for him?
Check and mate.
do you think every arrest leads to a charge?
Same reason we want things we can never have. He’s their golden goose that will forever evade them
Could you imagine how shitty a horror movie would be if the villain didn't commit a crime? Who the frick would want to watch that? Saw is so fricking terrible BAKA
It's like when they take away the cellphones at the start of the flick, to establish the protagonist as helpless.
In saw's case, no law enforcement agencies are gonna come save you, if you want to live you simply gonna have to do as jigsaw commands.
Are we gonna have to endure this unfunny meme until new Saw comes out in September?
For fricks sake
Picking up a passed out person and putting them in a room against their will is kidnapping.
Jizzsaw would go to jail simply for kidnapping the first two guys in movie 1. 30 years.
prove he actually kidnapped them
Don't have to. Show a jury the tapes that sound exactly like him. Busted.
anyone could have recorded those tapes.
its not enough proof to convict him of anything.
Can you provr he actually recorded them?
of course not and a bunch of videotapes that say nothing are very thin evidence to begin with.
they wouldnt even get this to court just because of the videos.
I've only seen the 1st movie which I find stupid since jizzsaw got show by a shotgun in the back and got up as if it was nothing.
They don’t though, the audio in the tapes is actually distorted and manipulated IRL, not hard to talk in a different tone
oh so now you changed the topic from
>he did nothing illegal
to
>prove that he did these illegal things
>he didnt do anything illegal
>you have zero proof he did anything illegal
Jiggy walks, he did no crime and there is nothing that connects him to it.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Sorry, he did neither of those things, Amanda and Zep did, they could’ve left at any time provided they were willing to, he walks
the amount of SAW threads lately is suspicious as frick
almost as if it's marketing to get you to see the new Saw
frick off
Weird it's almost like people talk about movies when new trailers are released
i'm passionate about this damn franchise and enjoy every time that there's actually a thread about it.
>Cinemaphile armchair lawyers think they can beat this case
Ssshhh let them live out their poorly done BCS fantasies
So true
these threads are so hilarious to me as a Law expert, People in these Saw threads have no clue how the police, the Law and the Courts work.
just the sheer amount of People who think John Kramer would be convicted is hilarious.
>no probable cause
>insufficient evidence
>illegaly obtained evidence
>lost evidence
>unavailable witnesses
>no willingness to cooperate
>wrongful arrest
these are literally all the things that lead to a case being dismissed and they all apply to John Kramer and the Jigsaw case.
It would be a nightmare for the DA to work through this and the whole trial would take years, years the John Kramer doesnt have and with his old age and his brain tumors it would be a cake walk to get all charges dropped.
>serach and seizure without a warrant
this case would be BTFO before it even reached a judge
>serach and seizure without a warrant
basically whatever evidence they would find that way would not be allowed in the court.
Also the chain of custody for any evidence in the case becomes very questionable if a detective is involved that already fricked up not getting a warrant.
half the fun of these threads is pseuds tying themselves in knots trying to explain how he would be convicted
anyone who truly knows the law knows he walks
Last time I checked, putting people in a room and moving things around and building little machines isnt illegal. He never put his hands on anyone so they cannot legally do anything.
he is the mastermind behind the jigsaw murders
>putting people in a room
"your honor, Mr Kramer here is 81 years old and suffers from a nasty Brain Tumor, it is impossible for him as this sick old and frail man to have abducted all these People".
>case dismissed
Your uncle is moronic.
Kidnapping
Assault
Involuntary manslaugher
yeah?
lets see the evidence
>*crickets*
>conspiracy to kidnap and subject people to torture
you uncle who's a judge and also works for nintendo is an idiot.
You just solved the entire case. you just revolutionized the entire history of police training. I mean all these years at the academy, studying human character, psyche of the terrorists, fingerprint analysis, all the courses that I've taken in surveillance, hostage negotiation, and criminal psychology, when all I have to do is drive around the neighborhood, point my finger at a house, and say, "the Jigsaw is in there!"?
no problem, hopefully they catch him soon
every witness is dead and evidence has been destroyed when hoffmann escaped the police station
>Every single true crime video i've seen ever
>the police had jackshit on him and they were really hoping he would confess AND never ask for a lawyer
seriously almost 100% of the times people just answered "lawyer" to any police question the guys either elongated the process for years or flat out were not even charged.
What worries me as a chief of police is that if criminals watch the Saw films and apply Jiggy's techniques, we may never solve another kidnapping or murder again.
Jigsaw teaches people valuable lessons about appreciating life. What value would that have to criminal activity?
Sawgays went from
>oh he didnt kill anyone it was their choice
to
>umm... where is the evidence he even comitted any crimes?
there is no evidence or witnesses that can tie John Kramer directly to any murders or kidnappings or even the traps.
you got nothing on him
The US justice system works on the concept of innocent until proven guilty. IF Jigsaw is as guilty as you believe, then surely you can provide evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. But the burden or proof does still fall on his detractors.
Yes?
Jigsaw never killed anyone, he says so himself.
Nor could you hold any realistic hope for convicting him of anything else, regardless if he stretched the law a little bit here and there.
>obvious death traps built for the sole purpose of killing people are not reasons to convict
is Cinemaphile really this moronic?
What evidence is there that proves he built and designed them?
in the context of the movie, who else?
he's known as jigsaw, the police know who this guy is, only an idiot looks at the people being tortured and think "well he didnt directly build it with his own hands, therefore he's innocent"
Amanda, Hoffmann, Gordon?
the orchestrator of the plan is as guilty as those who perpetrate it, moron.
Can you prove they didn't act alone?
Yes, considering that he recorded tapes for all of them and probably has blueprints for them.
Then you'd also have to confront the uncomfortable fact that those assistants went against his instructions and made the traps unbeatable. Any competent defense lawyer could pin all the deaths on those morons and ensure jigsaw walked with a slap on the wrist.
Jigsaw made his choice to let them do that when he recruited them. They walk.
Yes it’s true no innocent person has ever been convicted.
This guy is onto something.
Jigsaw might be innocent of murder, but a proper dirty cop that play by his own rules could still frame him.
>next Saw Movie is John Kramer finally getting arrested by the Police and a SWAT team
>they question him at the police station but he asks for a lawyer and remains silent
>the detectives are taking turns slamming him with all the previous saw movie victims but he doesnt fold
>they still drag him to court
>Kramer is all smug the entire time
>it is revealed that there are multiple people currently in traps
>John Kramer is like: "didnt you claim that I did it? I'm right here I couldnt have done anything"
>turns out getting arrested was part of his plan and the entire court room turns into a trap for all the cops, lawyers and judges who now play against each other
>in the end everyone dies but Kramer walks
The scary thing about this is that they would have nothing on him if he ever got caught because those people chose to be there and all witnesses died
take my money
Best franchise finale of all time. Well done
pure and unfiltered kino
We hereby find the defendant guilty OF BEING IN SHITTY MOVIES!
this
>he never did a crime
meme is the worst shit this trash board ever came up with. even worse than Sneed and bane and
>muh crab legs and hawks in le kinoplex
t. agent strahm
There's not a court in the world that would even attempt to convict a 300 foot tall automaton. Jigsaw walks.
>Tfw no Jiggy X Evangelion crossover.
They're going to get Jigsaw for violating US airspace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder
SAWxPurge crossover when?
Guilty of shit movies for sure
just rewatched 3D in my quest to rewatch the entire series, i guess it has been the weakest so far, hoffman just isn't in it enough. nice to see gordon again though, and the opening trap was very based
It would've been nice to see Gordon again if his character development wasn't almost entirely skipped over.
yeah, he only really gets that scene during the survivor meeting that shows that he turned into a bit of a weirdo, there is pretty much no foreshadowing for him being a jigsaw associate either, at least not in 3D itself.
my guess would have been that his rehibilitation took long enough that adam was already killed by amanda at the time he could have.
anyways, i'm going to rewatch jigsaw right now, probably will watch spiral for the first time tomorrow
>there is pretty much no foreshadowing for him being a jigsaw associate either,
There was Michael's video in II showing a limping man operating on him.
Why did Gordon just give up on trying to save Adam again?
Amanda killed him before he could do anything
Adam had been wasting away for a long time before Amanda felt guilty and killed him. Why didn't Gordon after getting fixed up by Jigsaw say "I will help you with some of your traps if you let Adam go". That simple
I know this is bait, but I always found it funny that the people involved in the movie actually act like this is the case.
>Jigsaw never actually killed anyone
Frick off.
This bait thread becomes more moronic every time it's posted.
There's already legal precedent for being convicted of manslaughter for setting boobytraps that kill criminals trying to invade your property. Add to this the fact that his victims are not committing crimes, and he's kidnapping them proactively and purposefully putting them in these scenarios, and yes, a jury could and would absolutely convict him for murder, kidnapping, and several other crimes.
The building code violations alone would be enough for prison.
Not murder. He never killed anyone.
>ablooo blooo bloooo!
A single example, provide it.
Is it murder if you lock someone in a room with no oxygen? Technically you didn't kill them with your own hands
Jigsaw never did that, so it got no bearing on the case.
>A single example, provide it.
I can't, because he never killed
>This bait thread becomes more moronic every time it's posted.
The meme is already full moron. Don't try to stop them. Just point and laugh at Sawgays admitting that Jiggy is the worst horror movie villain of all time.
Why is he so mean?
i think they'll use Saw X to introduce a new jigsaw apprentice so that they can make an actual sequel to 3D next, with gordon facing off against the new jigsaw
You still have Logan to consider
>Saw X reveals Hoffmanator had an accomplice the whole time, gets him out of the bathroom
>Saw XI is Hoffman putting his accomplice, Gordon, Logan, and the guy from Spiral through a series of traps
They could very easily go with the Hoffman/Gordon apprentice route down the road. Both had assistants whose faces aren't shown. I think the smart way of getting rid of Logan would be to have one of Hoffman/Gordon's apprentices take care of him. I have no idea how to incorporate the guy from Spiral though
did hoffman have an assistant? i mean, there's no issue with them writing it like he did, but i think everything he did in the movies so far could have been him alone. the guys with gordon were supposed to be the guys from the public execution trap i think
Hoffman has no assistant, it's just Gordon with the two pig masks who they want to retcon into being Brad and Ryan because they abandoned the 3D's cult ending.
The Brad and Ryan thing makes absolutely zero sense to me
well, jigsaw did help them out of a bad relationship and they knew gordon from the survivor meetings
>they abandoned the 3D's cult ending.
Explain please
Gordon would just rally everyone from the survivor's group to help him take down Hoffman. After Hoffman got left in the bathroom the movie would've ended with all the survivors standing in bathroom hallway saying "he helped me". One of the cut lines from Gordon's Jigsaw videotape was "unite the survivors, this is their purpose".
But with the Gordon twist being so divisive, I cant see them doing a theatrical story with him. Some fans love and embrace that their fanfiction becoming canon and others spiritually walked out of the theatre. That's why I think instead of a theatrical release some kind of VOD exclusive feature for a streaming service would be better. That way by bringing up lesser plot elements like Hoffman / Gordon / Logan you're not damaging the brand too much with a theatrical release. It'd basically be something for shits and giggles, I'm sure a streaming service would be more than happy to pay for an exclusive Saw feature and it works as a way to give the fanbase something to chew on in terms of continuity and conclusion. (I mean you could take 3D's ending as a conclusion to both Gordon and Hoffman anyway but fans wont stop until they see Hoffman's head get cut off onscreen.) With that said if Elwes is as expensive as they say he is perhaps an exclusive streaming feature "for shits and giggles" may not be worth it after all.
The Saw 3D script here was toying with it:
>I have no idea how to incorporate the guy from Spiral though
You don’t, I think they’re gonna pretend the movie didn’t happen at this point
According to our resident insider a Spiral 2 is still on the cards if X is really successful and I am absolutely speechless they're still considering it. I see a lot of the Redditors huffing absurd amounts of copium with yeah the first Spiral sucked but they can fix it, they can course correct, if they play their cards right, etc etc. I'm not sure what fantasy land they're living in but Saw cannot build a sequel off a shitty movie. Spiral is done.
alright, make gordon the protagonist. have him get a tape that challenges him to a game or his secret is revealed, gordon starts hunting him. at the end, gordon finds logan, they get into a fight and gordon manages to kill logan. and then all of a sudden, he finds a tape that logan had with him. hello zepp plays and the tape reveals that logan got a tape similar to gordons, and then the true jigsaw succesor reveals himself, having set gordon and logan up against each other to get both out of the way
I cant see them giving Logan, Hoffman or Gordon the spotlight in another movie, glorified cameos at best (like Hoffman will have in X) but I don't think they'll ever dedicate entire stories to them. I don't think a theatrical release could ever happen, but I think it'd be cool if they did some kind of lower budget Netflix feature for them.
Kevin Greutert essentially said the other day that Saw movie budgets now can afford one of either Tobin Bell or Cary Elwes. If they want to keep making pre/interquels with John, Tobin is obviously the better investment, but if they want to move forward, Cary could maybe be brought back
I don't know I watch a lot of Judge Judy and if Jigsaw gave her any sort of lip or attitude he would get 10 consecutive life sentences for being a smart alec.
Jigsaw is literally a gentle old man with terminal cancer.
besides tony soprano would bail him out
Wouldn't be to try and get sassy with Jigsaw.
All these threads and nobody talks about how Saw is based on Ten Little Black folk (And Then There Were None) by Agatha Christie. Too bad they didn’t lean into that side of it more rather than the torture porn.
get yourself a girl that gets turned on by saw traps
OK, out of interest I just went and did everything he did and the case didn't even go to court. They said there were clearly no grounds for conviction so attempting to prosecute would be a waste of taxpayer's money.
>suffocates her baby and pins the blame on her husband who ends up going crazy and killing himself over it
wow, i forgot how terrible anna was
after watching jigsaw for the first time since it released, logan was a way more interesting character than i remembered, honestly wouldn't mind seeing him again. traumatized war veteran working as a medical examiner is not the worst backstory
Agreed, he’s a serviceable antagonist, he looks and feels intelligent, also probably the most faithful to John’s vision
The war vet angle is great but the idea of the character was completely undermined by relegating to him to "just another apprentice" they pulled out of their ass, plus diluting what was interesting about his backstory with the usual "my significant other was killed" trope. I think the war vet backstory would've been a top tier foundation to build off of for a new Saw villain unrelated to the Jigsaw legacy. Their experience in the war could've shaped how they view the world and other people to form whatever agenda they have for the traps. People give Matt Passmore a lot of shit for how he delivered his final villain monologue, but he wasn't exactly working with gold, could you imagine Tobin Bell selling that monologue? Not to mention I get the impression the Spierg Brothers didn't give a shit too much, so I can only imagine how unhelpful their direction would've been.
>People give Matt Passmore a lot of shit for how he delivered his final villain monologue
Do they? I usually see people say he was the best part
How about when he slashed tapps throat in the first one, Assualting an officer with a deadly weapon.
Couldn't they technically fine him for desecrating dead bodies since he cuts off the flesh of those who fail his tests?
WHEN NIGSAW FINNA LOW KEY BE MAKIN A LOTTA SENSE AND SPITTIN STRAIGHT FACTS ON GOD FR FR DOE
well if rigg hadn't fricked up, nigsaw could have been a thing