All you really get is: they were fleeing from its immediate presence, yet their own general presence suggested submission or alignment on their part. If they feared it like the Fellowship did, they'd be far far away at that moment and not lurking around it to the point of having to yeet themselves out of its direct path
Thanks. Did it wake up because of the fellowship causing a ruckus or was it already up and about and showed to wreck their shit and maybe swipe the ring.
The implication is that it woke up due to Pippin dropping stuff down a particular well that led to a lake at the depths of the earth, whereabout it had been sleeping or otherwise awaiting Morgoth's return. The story of Durin implies a similar thing happened, but in a time when Moria was highly populated. They accessed areas too deep and made a ruckus, disturbing the balrog that was only busy hibernating essentially.
Users meme here "why did sauron send his top guy into the mountain" and "why did gandalf go in knowing he'd be killed by a balrog" but they are mostly being intentionally disingenuous and feigning confusion for the meme
No, the Balrog was like Sauron's general in the mine, he was commanding the goblins and orcs, and in fact those goblins and orcs were reinforcements that Sauron sent to the Balrog to help shore up the defenses there.
kek
I guess that's a strangely shaped helm + a white/grey beard.
Probably supposed to be aragorn or boromir but I don't remember them begin described with old man beards
In my last post I said Pipped "Eru'd up" when he dropped that shit down the well, because I think the change in Gandalf was necessary. He ended up being the leader of all western men for a moment, when Father Of The Year snapped from his long running palantir game with Sauron. Gandalf at that point had spent literally thousands of years basically collecting information from and giving advice to important people. He kept no hirelings or fiefdom, never even made a home anywhere or anything. He always kept power away from himself at staff's length so to speak.
After he returned, the way he interacted with men specifically changed.
>almost assured death by freezing, starvation, or falling off of a cliff >ancient eldrich horror that slaughtered an entire dwarven nation >couple of stinky Uruks who haven't had anything but magga'i bred for n+1 days
REAL FRICKING PUZZLER YOU GOT ON YOUR HANDS THERE GANDALF THE FOOL BETTER LET FRODO DECIDE WITHOUT GIVING HIM ANY INFORMATION OR CONTEXT
They all already knew or had just learned the tale of Durin's bane but that happened a long long time ago and Gandalf had himself relatively recently been through the mines on other business without any sign of a balrog.
It was argued over for a while between the party and stated as a risk by everybody, including Gimli who openly admitted his motive to visit was concern for lack of contact from the last dwarves who entered. It was only a reasonable idea to go through that way given the state of alternatives, but in the end Pippin fricked up, or "Eru'd up", in a way that exceeded Gandalf's imagination. Simple as.
of stinky Uruks who haven't had anything but magga'i bred for n+1 days
A couple? Saruman would spare no expenses to get the Ring. There was no other choice. Besides, no one know an eldrich horror was down there, there were only whispers of something foul
I still don't understand why Sauron sent his best Monster Troop to guard some random bridge in a random mine? Like the Balrog should have been leading the attack on the White City! Breaking the gates open.
uh it's a pretty strategic place. why wouldn't you take it?
gandalf's stamina and strength was noticeably flagging to the fellowship by then
he had just enough maia juice left to do what he had to before coming back as gandalf the white
Tolkien confirmed Dwarves were "rather like the israelites, don't you think?" and specified it was because they were warlike and materialistic. Which I thought that would have described men, but looking at the men in the book, I may only say that due to my modern perspective of real people.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/are-tolkiens-dwarves-an-allegory-for-the-jews/
sharing the strictly tv related warner bros image at the top of the article
Did they explain why the frick did Elrond have the shards of Narsil when the sword was clearly a priceless historic artifact belonging to Gondor?
Did the clerk give you any explanation about why elves such homosexual little Black folk?
>Did they explain why the frick did Elrond have the shards of Narsil when the sword was clearly a priceless historic artifact belonging to Gondor?
Elrond just went skulking around the battlefield and found all the pieces, and the greedy Stewards didn’t give enough of a shit to ask for it back probably
Elrond is Ilsidur's uncle and he personally raised each of his descendants until one day one his adopted son/distant nephew fricks his daughter. Because in elf culture thats pretty hot.
Aragorn was basically raised in Elrond's house as an adopted son and Elrond was waiting for Aragorns power level to start going exponential before basically laying the reality of his destiny on him.
this it was originally called narsil and it became anduril after being broken and reforged
like how joy division became known as the new order after disbanding and regrouping
Aragorn was such an elf weaboo he didn't care that when they reforged his ancient familial sword of the nations of men that they scribbled their elvish gibberish all over it. First thing I'd do when I got it would be to have that crap etched off, no cap
arrogant crap like said gibberish, thanks for sniping all those orks, but we don't care about the sacred purple dildo you shoved up your tooshy 3000 years ago, that's overstepping your bounds, we are not your playthings even if you are very nice perfect goodly aryans
It's an old joke that redditors who were out of the loop started taking seriously. In reality, elves are all basically superhuman, and some of them, like Feanor and Eol, are not goody-two-shoes either.
Dwarf Fortress has pumped out a ton of anti elf content
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that's a good one, is there any earlier example? Later on you can find a lot in elder scrolls and dragon age as well, but there it's at least a plot point, and the elves aren't as much of comedic punching bags as they are in DF
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I can't think of one, but there's probably more
Dragon Age elves just seemed like fujobait to me
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eh, as cringe as gaider's and bioware's writing can be I felt the world design was at least interesting, especially with the third game revealing all the "true elves" were essentially cargo cult larpers.
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I'm pretty forgiving of DA for the world building as well
even 2 has a lot of merit, despite the consensus of people who rightfully expected something grander in a sense of scale
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honestly if it had a little more polish and eliminated the reuse of assets it'd be perfect. I wish developers would go back to more tightly crafted and deliberate narratives instead of the "x but openworld!" fad that we have now
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>instead of the "x but openworld!" fad
I hope it's a fad
it seems pretty standard at this point, and I get it's an easy way to pad hours but shit's not fun
Yes. He also said there are engravings although I couldn’t see them very closely on the wall mounted display. I hope this comes with some wall hooks or something, or else I’ll have to buy them. Many many years ago as a little kid I had a bulky plastic toy version of the sword that made clashing noises when you hit it. Now I’ve got a “real” one. Growing up isn’t so bad.
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i will remember this and wait for you to post pics in the tolkien threads after christmas
I think it's pretty neat how they remembered to make Legolas stand on top of the snow because he's an elf while everyone else is standing in the middle of it. Noticed it for the first time on my last viewing and thought that was neat
>"ORCS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this forest before. There could be ORCS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare nose. "I HATE ORCS" he thought. Far Over the Misty Mountains Cold reverberated around the campfire, making the company sway even as the half penny ale circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of wargs after dark. "With a pony, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, outloud.
Last thread was great, learned a lot about Durins Bane and how spicy Balrogs really are. Puts the whole scene into perspective.
Question though: Both Saruman and Gandalf suspected, why did gandalf take them through Moria anyways? Wouldn't a treacherous mountain be a better bet than a billion goblins and an ancient fire demon?
The mountain was guaranteed death.
In the book, I don't think they were expecting snow this early in the year. But either the mountain itself, or Sauron (sauronman in the movie), was using their influence to stop the fellowship.
>Last thread was great, learned a lot about Durins Bane and how spicy Balrogs really are.
I'm glad some anons appreciate a good thread
Yes. He also said there are engravings although I couldn’t see them very closely on the wall mounted display. I hope this comes with some wall hooks or something, or else I’ll have to buy them. Many many years ago as a little kid I had a bulky plastic toy version of the sword that made clashing noises when you hit it. Now I’ve got a “real” one. Growing up isn’t so bad.
I still don't understand why Sauron sent his best Monster Troop to guard some random bridge in a random mine? Like the Balrog should have been leading the attack on the White City! Breaking the gates open.
>Question though: Both Saruman and Gandalf suspected, why did gandalf take them through Moria anyways?
Last resort. Mountains were death. The hobbits were buried in snow and then snow wolves found them. Going around through the Gap of Rohan risked the ring going too close to Saruman. Going through Moria was the last option along with essentially every other decision made on the journey.
>Look man, I appreciate you healing me of that poisoned arrow, but I don't work for you. I already helped out of one jam today. Handle your own problems.
-Lord of the Eagles
kek Balin and the other dwarves actually befriended the Balrog. They were all hiding and we're gonna jump out, but then Gandalf took things a bit too far.
It was just a prank bro!
im glad someone else is making these threads now, i was getting burnt out and couldnt think of what to put in the OPs but now this guy has been a badass and just put the same thing many times in a row
https://youtu.be/jVgZDcUQPEY
YOU ARE STANDING IN THE EYES OF THE STORM!!!!
kek Balin and the other dwarves actually befriended the Balrog. They were all hiding and we're gonna jump out, but then Gandalf took things a bit too far.
It was just a prank bro!
Why didn't Balin give them a welcome of any kind? Was he mad at Gimli? Racist against Hobbits?
doubles?! four doubles!
what business brings you to sneeds?
Could've easily done the gap of Rohan, Sauronman was just beginning to get his uruks together
Perhaps there was a tax policy at the Gap that Gandalf didn't like
>Christopher, my son, did I ever tell you the full story of Shelob? You know, the monstrous spider descended from the vile Ungoliant which I used to read aloud of in our Oxford meetings of the Inklings? Well what I didn't mention back then was Shelob could also transform into a totally hot babe, all pale and dark and wan like Rebecca in Ivanhoe or what will later come to be known as the goth subculture. In fact she looked very much like the pornographic actress Stoya who will be born 13 years after I die. Christopher, I will be entrusting you with my estate. If there is ever a videogame adaptation of my work you must make sure they get this Shelob right. Make sure she is what the Anglo-Saxons would have called a hæða ecge, a real sexy b***h.
New people getting interested? Like me, sure I seen the movies but I have not read all the books, only a part of the first book.
in the movies it seems like Gimli is either huffing the copium, or just a moron (I prefer to think the former).
In the books everyone is aware that Moria is probably a no-go zone. Gimli is still eager to go though, to learn what happened to his kin, and there is a small chance they're still alive somewhere.
I love that the reasons for not sending Glorfindel are basically Elrond's autism about needing 9 in the fellowship to match the 9 ringwraiths without any explanation of what that means beyond symbolism and then shrugging and saying "With what you'll face, who knows if an Elf Lord would even be able to help." I bet he could help a little.
>Didn't he also kill a Balrog once?
Yep. He died too, but I guess that's besides the point. Supposedly, he came back to middle earth supercharged and is more powerful than ever before. >He was pretty much the most bad ass Elf left in middle earth right?
Yes. He's certainly the post powerful warrior elf in middle earth by that point in the 3rd age and it's not even close.
Define power. Galadriel may well be the most "powerful" elf during the 3rd age. Glorfindel could obviously take her in a fight, but that's combat prowess. Elrond has the most military might during the 3rd age, I'd imagine. Maybe Thranduil could rival him?
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power meaning they could wreck the most shit if so desired. alone.
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Well if we're talking living elves, then Glorfindel is the one. If we're including dead elves, then Fingolfin, who is probably the greatest elven warrior who ever lived. Another is Ecthelion, who is arguably stronger than any version of Glorfindel. He killed multiple balrogs, including Gothmog himself.
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"[Ecthelion] killed multiple balrogs, including Gothmog himself."
Why are you referencing some ancient version of the Fall of Gondolin - in which Balrogs were not Maiar but just fire monsters that numbered in the hundreds and were easily killed - rather than the version that appears in the Silmarillion? I can't imagine being a big enough loregay to know who these characters are, but apparently not enough of a loregay to have read the undisputed #1 book on Middle-Earth lore.
Wasn't the reason why Glorfindel couldn't go with the Fellowship was that he was too powerful and as a result Sauron could better find where they were?
They could not say it, but they were worried he would be tempted by the ring given prolonged exposure to the ringbearer, and he was not a mortal like Boromir whose temptation could be feasibly maintained by 8 others.
They were intelligent beings who could be corrupted by the ring, also when Valinor was part of the world it was way further than an eagle could fly, also Valinor (heaven) was removed from the world when the earth was reformed from a plane into a ball, and eagles as mortal beings cannot get through the straight path (staircase to heaven).
I know you were joking, but I am not joking, I am super serious they would kick me out of the Shire for how serious and tall I am.
It's a city. A mine evokes images of some dusty old tunnel spanning like 10-20 foot in diameter supported by wooden beams for the purpose of harvesting coal or iron. Moria was a massive undercity like any other Dwarven hold.
Splitting class B stock cannot be done by any instrument we here possess, Gimli son of Gloin. It needs to be taken to the land of Delaware, and amended in the articles of incorporation, where it was forged.
>watched lotr in the late 2000s >never watched it since >rewatched it recently >it's still really good
I was expecting it to be worse than I remembered but damn it's still kino
Has aged surprisingly well too in terms of CG
>Has aged surprisingly well too in terms of CG
Because it's practical effects mixed with CGI. For example Balrog is made out of footage of real fire. Only the troll is a bit dated but they knew it would be wise to shoot it in a darker environment and not make the troll the sole focus of the scene.
How did none of them know Moria was fricked? >so, we haven't heard from the Moria dwarves in a few hundred years... should we check them out? >nah they're fine
I don't like the theme that everything is dying out, it's miserable. >oh ho jolly tales, I wonder how my cousin is >entire civilisation extinct for centuries
how about a fantasy where everything is alive, at a glorious peak that lasts for untold thousands of years and only moving on to better things if anything changes.
>how about a fantasy where everything is alive, at a glorious peak that lasts for untold thousands of years and only moving on to better things if anything changes.
That's the silmarillion during the siege of utumno. The most peaceful time in middle earth, probably.
>But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken forever do they pass into song.
their greed blinds them to the dangers in the earth, and their wealth attracts the attention of hostile forces from above, not to mention since orcs hate the sun a dwarf city is perfect for them. If you're an orc warlord would you want to invade some human kingdom full of poor farmers where you have to hide half the day, or a dwarven city rich in metals where your warband can be up and about at any time?
There it is. The exact spot that the One Ring decided, it all its infinite wisdom, to get Isildur killed and itself lost for thousands of years in the river. Just sitting in the water, of no use whatsoever to its master or anyone else. Bravo Ring, excellent plan.
Yeah no shit. It should have stayed with Isildur and corrupted him and helped him build a mighty state built on pure military power that could be wooed into the Dark Lord's service. What a clueless little homosexual Ring. Geeze.
He was ultimately on his way to Arnor to assert his rule, but he wanted to stop by Rivendell first, so rather than going west then north he instead went north then planned to cut back west across the mountains after his visit
Isildur was on his way to hand over the ring to Elrond, you know, the guy who wanted Isildur to "CAST IT INTO THE FIRE. DESTROY IT." The ring had to stop Isildur or it would be in danger, and there happened to be a nearby party of orc, so it called to them and that's what happened.
You don't think it matters if Sauron returns to meet hostile kingdoms on his borders or instead to meet openly friendly kingdoms worshiping Sauron who have been eagerly awaiting his return? The ring could certainly have made that happen.
Apparently not, since he lost and all... Would have been much more pleasant to just walk back into Middle Earth with no fighting since everyone was on his side because the ring had been doing its job for thousands of years
>Everyone either shook, corrupted or stunned still by the ring, having power fantasies over using it, being seduced by it or fighting over it >Gimli immediately grabs an axe and gets to work when he is informed that it is to be destroyed
And he only got angry when the elf started power tripping. Gimli would be the absolute favorite of the series had he not made to be such a comic relief. Some of it was excellent though >Do you want me to describe it for you or should I get a box? >3 second stare >Hehehe good one elfboy
Dwarves are based. Their natural immunity in response to magic rings only makes them murderous and greedy over time. Meanwhile elves and men flip the frick out quickly.
because it's an execuse to talk about lotr and fantasy stuff. If you know this thread is going to be posted everyday why bother making a different one?
>Be Denethor >Wage war against a literal fallen angel and his empire >Successfully fight him to a standstill >No other kingdoms help, elves send thoughts and prayers, dwarves are playing minecraft >Learn to only rely on Gondor's own strength >Wear chainmail under clothes to protect against assassins and remind myself of war >Learn how to use a palantir, be strong willed enough to contest Sauron's will through it >Wife dies >Enemy hordes are literally endless, begin to slowly lose ground >Favorite elder son dies >A wizard is grooming a pretender to usurp the throne of Gondor behind my back >Enemy hordes are at the gate >No help in sight >The city is 99.9% fallen >Last son dies
>Go mad from despair
Be honest with me, Cinemaphile - would you do better if you were in Denethor's place? I think Jackson's movies did him dirty.
>would you do better if you were in Denethor's place?
Most likely not. >I think Jackson's movies did him dirty.
Absolutely. He is one of the many reasons why I generally dislike the movies, compared to the books.
>would you do better if you were in Denethor's place?
Most likely not. >I think Jackson's movies did him dirty.
Absolutely. He is one of the many reasons why I generally dislike the movies, compared to the books.
>would you do better if you were in Denethor's place?
Most likely not. >I think Jackson's movies did him dirty.
Absolutely. He is one of the many reasons why I generally dislike the movies, compared to the books.
He is still a flawed character, but the movies removed his good qualities.
I torrented that shit, it's fun but OG battlefront already scratched that itch. Plus the Two Towers and Return of The King on PS2 was superior. I'm so glad I have emulators for all this shit
But it already works, you even said yourself that you have found it and played it already. >it just needs some freshening up graphics wise.
Have you seen how such undertakings turn out in the current era? Do you really wish such fate for your favourite game?
>Have you seen how such undertakings turn out in the current era? Do you really wish such fate for your favourite game?
Starcraft Remastered was a smashing success, WC 3 might've been as well if it wasn't outsourced.
What I don't understand is why there seems to be a discrepency in whether or not it is common knowledge that Moria is a dangerous place. Galadriel and Gandalf definitely knew, but Gimli didn't? He knew about Durins Bane, but also thought his cousin was just chilling in Moria? What's going on there?
Even when the Balrog first routed Dwarfs from Moria it took years, last Gimli or any other dwarf heard the reclaiming of Moria was going well
Besides, there were only bad options when it came to getting past the mountains and Gandalf probably hoped that a quick run through the mine would not awake it
>PIPPIN: I didn't think it would end this way. >GANDALF: End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass, and then you see it. >PIPPIN: What? Gandalf? See what? >GANDALF: White shores, and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise. >PIPPIN: Well, that isn't so bad. >GANDALF: No. No, it isn't.”
Making him a giant demon looks way better than this.
I like this because it isn't "le epic and big"
that bridge is frickin razor thin
it's the length that matters, women love long, skinny bridges (wieners)
Were the orcs and goblins worshipping it in the book? I remember the movie ones shitting themselves when it woke up.
All you really get is: they were fleeing from its immediate presence, yet their own general presence suggested submission or alignment on their part. If they feared it like the Fellowship did, they'd be far far away at that moment and not lurking around it to the point of having to yeet themselves out of its direct path
Thanks. Did it wake up because of the fellowship causing a ruckus or was it already up and about and showed to wreck their shit and maybe swipe the ring.
The implication is that it woke up due to Pippin dropping stuff down a particular well that led to a lake at the depths of the earth, whereabout it had been sleeping or otherwise awaiting Morgoth's return. The story of Durin implies a similar thing happened, but in a time when Moria was highly populated. They accessed areas too deep and made a ruckus, disturbing the balrog that was only busy hibernating essentially.
Users meme here "why did sauron send his top guy into the mountain" and "why did gandalf go in knowing he'd be killed by a balrog" but they are mostly being intentionally disingenuous and feigning confusion for the meme
Pretending to be moronic is a meme?
No, the Balrog was like Sauron's general in the mine, he was commanding the goblins and orcs, and in fact those goblins and orcs were reinforcements that Sauron sent to the Balrog to help shore up the defenses there.
This user is being intentionally disingenuous for the meme
Balrogs don’t have wings
Whatever, nerd.
Why didn’t he just take the helicopters?
It's been a while since I read the books but im pretty sure it mentions the balrogs wingspan
>His enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings.
How did the Balrogs reach Morgoth so fast when he was about to die?
Everything else got out the way. Would you be mountain, tree, or elf stand in the way of dozens of rushing balrogs?
Whis this?
Some random orc decided to join the fellowship?
Cameo appearance by Green goblin.
kek
I guess that's a strangely shaped helm + a white/grey beard.
Probably supposed to be aragorn or boromir but I don't remember them begin described with old man beards
Why were they such pushovers?
Reminder that PJ accidentally created a book accurate Balrog when showing Sauron in the Hobbit
Balrog? More like Fallrog!
Post this shit one more time and see what happens homosexual
people love my threads
>Christ vs the Demiurge
A little on the nose, no?
Ahhhh who could have predicted we would encounter a monster here in Castle Doom
They did know. That's why they didn't want to go through Moria.
is this real?????
yes
who would win
>10,000 dwarves
vs
>one winged lion butterfly on fire w/a whip
I love you
And the elves will say that this means melon.
Why are they like this?
Why didn't Elrond tell them the secret password to the Elven friend's door?
>MELON
>there's WATER near by
>WATERMELON = DANGER
Tolkien knew
he sort of forgot about the password to secret door
the password is inscribed on the door.
200+ replies every time.
the last two times I see this thread, it got 300+
LET THE RING BEARER DECIDE
>Durrr I trust the drunken midget over the wizard.
it was cold out there
>Frodo you little shithead if you frick this up for us...
why even make it a choice? was gandalf afraid of responsibility?
Yes, that's why he pissed his robes whenever he got too close to the ring.
Can’t argue with the results though. Sure he died, but he killed the Balrog, and got to come back anyway.
Would they have even won if Gandalf hadn't died?
In my last post I said Pipped "Eru'd up" when he dropped that shit down the well, because I think the change in Gandalf was necessary. He ended up being the leader of all western men for a moment, when Father Of The Year snapped from his long running palantir game with Sauron. Gandalf at that point had spent literally thousands of years basically collecting information from and giving advice to important people. He kept no hirelings or fiefdom, never even made a home anywhere or anything. He always kept power away from himself at staff's length so to speak.
After he returned, the way he interacted with men specifically changed.
What other option did they have? Caradhras was a no-go and Gap of Rohan they would have delivered the Ring to Saruman
>almost assured death by freezing, starvation, or falling off of a cliff
>ancient eldrich horror that slaughtered an entire dwarven nation
>couple of stinky Uruks who haven't had anything but magga'i bred for n+1 days
REAL FRICKING PUZZLER YOU GOT ON YOUR HANDS THERE GANDALF THE FOOL BETTER LET FRODO DECIDE WITHOUT GIVING HIM ANY INFORMATION OR CONTEXT
They all already knew or had just learned the tale of Durin's bane but that happened a long long time ago and Gandalf had himself relatively recently been through the mines on other business without any sign of a balrog.
It was argued over for a while between the party and stated as a risk by everybody, including Gimli who openly admitted his motive to visit was concern for lack of contact from the last dwarves who entered. It was only a reasonable idea to go through that way given the state of alternatives, but in the end Pippin fricked up, or "Eru'd up", in a way that exceeded Gandalf's imagination. Simple as.
Moria was a good idea until Pippin alerted the Balrog
of stinky Uruks who haven't had anything but magga'i bred for n+1 days
A couple? Saruman would spare no expenses to get the Ring. There was no other choice. Besides, no one know an eldrich horror was down there, there were only whispers of something foul
Purposefully misinterpreting lore for da meme
what was the mines of moria's tax policy
N, you made that thread multiple times
they keep getting good ratings
>The 6x8 of Khazad-dûm
>and they call it a bridge, a bridge!
kek
uh it's a pretty strategic place. why wouldn't you take it?
Robot samurai owl? Interesting take.
why couldn't gandalf just do one pull up to get back on the ledge in Fellowship? Can wizards not do pull ups???
Maiar can only do pullups in service of middle earth.
I guess the bridge was sandy and dirty so he had no grip
Floydrog is my favorite.
>Last bridge out of Detroit
It was a whip tail, swung up to wrap around his leg at the last moment
gandalf's stamina and strength was noticeably flagging to the fellowship by then
he had just enough maia juice left to do what he had to before coming back as gandalf the white
>a light jog while escaping a Balrog and dealing with a few trash mobs
>freezing to death on a mountain
They made the correct choice.
Also that homie Saruman casting all kind of crazy ass spell on their asses
Tolkien confirmed Dwarves were "rather like the israelites, don't you think?" and specified it was because they were warlike and materialistic. Which I thought that would have described men, but looking at the men in the book, I may only say that due to my modern perspective of real people.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/are-tolkiens-dwarves-an-allegory-for-the-jews/
sharing the strictly tv related warner bros image at the top of the article
good morning!
This makes it look like Bilbo isn't wearing pants, and that his feet are either a different skin color, or he has been walking around in shit all day.
Soviet Gandalf best Gandalf for me. He's scrawny, dapper and has an aura of a charming charlatan, but also very friendly.
I just bought an Anduril 1:1 replica at the mall for 150 bucks.
Did they explain why the frick did Elrond have the shards of Narsil when the sword was clearly a priceless historic artifact belonging to Gondor?
Did the clerk give you any explanation about why elves such homosexual little Black folk?
well actually, the sword belongs to Aragorn and his ancestors/descendants.
>Did they explain why the frick did Elrond have the shards of Narsil when the sword was clearly a priceless historic artifact belonging to Gondor?
Elrond just went skulking around the battlefield and found all the pieces, and the greedy Stewards didn’t give enough of a shit to ask for it back probably
Isildur thought the Ring was more the symbol of his House going forward
Elrond is Ilsidur's uncle and he personally raised each of his descendants until one day one his adopted son/distant nephew fricks his daughter. Because in elf culture thats pretty hot.
Aragorn was basically raised in Elrond's house as an adopted son and Elrond was waiting for Aragorns power level to start going exponential before basically laying the reality of his destiny on him.
>sword is named anduril
>breaks into shards
>now its named narsil
what did tolkien mean by this
It wasn't named Anduril until it was reforged.
this it was originally called narsil and it became anduril after being broken and reforged
like how joy division became known as the new order after disbanding and regrouping
Aragorn was such an elf weaboo he didn't care that when they reforged his ancient familial sword of the nations of men that they scribbled their elvish gibberish all over it. First thing I'd do when I got it would be to have that crap etched off, no cap
when did elf hate in the general consciousness start? I blame d&d
>elf immigrants takin' yer jobs
arrogant crap like said gibberish, thanks for sniping all those orks, but we don't care about the sacred purple dildo you shoved up your tooshy 3000 years ago, that's overstepping your bounds, we are not your playthings even if you are very nice perfect goodly aryans
It's an old joke that redditors who were out of the loop started taking seriously. In reality, elves are all basically superhuman, and some of them, like Feanor and Eol, are not goody-two-shoes either.
Dwarf Fortress has pumped out a ton of anti elf content
that's a good one, is there any earlier example? Later on you can find a lot in elder scrolls and dragon age as well, but there it's at least a plot point, and the elves aren't as much of comedic punching bags as they are in DF
I can't think of one, but there's probably more
Dragon Age elves just seemed like fujobait to me
eh, as cringe as gaider's and bioware's writing can be I felt the world design was at least interesting, especially with the third game revealing all the "true elves" were essentially cargo cult larpers.
I'm pretty forgiving of DA for the world building as well
even 2 has a lot of merit, despite the consensus of people who rightfully expected something grander in a sense of scale
honestly if it had a little more polish and eliminated the reuse of assets it'd be perfect. I wish developers would go back to more tightly crafted and deliberate narratives instead of the "x but openworld!" fad that we have now
>instead of the "x but openworld!" fad
I hope it's a fad
it seems pretty standard at this point, and I get it's an easy way to pad hours but shit's not fun
They're big c**ts in Warhammer.
There's not enough elf hate in my opinion
D&D has been shit since the sale to wizards. AD&D 2nd edition forever.
moronic newbies taking a /tg/ joke at face value.
>I blame d&d
i think it was actually warhammer.
pics?
I’m saving it to open on Christmas for myself. I also bought the Lego Rivendell.
The box is like five and a half feet tall thoughever
neat.
Lego Rivendell is awesome
did they have a display model you could look at?
Yes. He also said there are engravings although I couldn’t see them very closely on the wall mounted display. I hope this comes with some wall hooks or something, or else I’ll have to buy them. Many many years ago as a little kid I had a bulky plastic toy version of the sword that made clashing noises when you hit it. Now I’ve got a “real” one. Growing up isn’t so bad.
i will remember this and wait for you to post pics in the tolkien threads after christmas
>he's wearing a christmas jumper too
ngl lad you seem based af
It’s /comfy/ time
Merry Christmas consumer anon, have fun you lil Black person
I wanted to buy the lego Barad-Dur, I don't even know where I would put it, but almost 500 bucks is too much... for now
>bought for yourself to open on christmas
Very sad, bro.
I think it's pretty neat how they remembered to make Legolas stand on top of the snow because he's an elf while everyone else is standing in the middle of it. Noticed it for the first time on my last viewing and thought that was neat
>"ORCS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this forest before. There could be ORCS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare nose. "I HATE ORCS" he thought. Far Over the Misty Mountains Cold reverberated around the campfire, making the company sway even as the half penny ale circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of wargs after dark. "With a pony, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, outloud.
Snowy enough for you homosexual?
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>WILL THE LAIRD OF THE BLECK LEHRND CAM FAIRTH
>Anyone else want to negotiate?
laird is lord in scottish
>scottish
*Inglis
I swear he looka frostier every time this is posted
explain this thread to me
>Also known as "Gandalf stays behind to EXP farm the final boss of the dungeon". And boy does he level up.
MALT BEEEEER
FREEESSH MEAT OF THE BONE
>it's the dwarves that go swimming... with little hairy women
>hehehehhehe
just because shes a little loose, dont need to call her holes a mine. moria is a nice girl.
Last thread was great, learned a lot about Durins Bane and how spicy Balrogs really are. Puts the whole scene into perspective.
Question though: Both Saruman and Gandalf suspected, why did gandalf take them through Moria anyways? Wouldn't a treacherous mountain be a better bet than a billion goblins and an ancient fire demon?
Gandalf figured they'd be fine if they were quiet and quick.
And they were, they made it a short run from the exit then decided to sight see and stupid pippin messed things up.
The mountain was guaranteed death.
In the book, I don't think they were expecting snow this early in the year. But either the mountain itself, or Sauron (sauronman in the movie), was using their influence to stop the fellowship.
>Last thread was great, learned a lot about Durins Bane and how spicy Balrogs really are.
I'm glad some anons appreciate a good thread
post pics next year
sounds like esl mischief to me
I still don't understand why Sauron sent his best Monster Troop to guard some random bridge in a random mine? Like the Balrog should have been leading the attack on the White City! Breaking the gates open.
Your writing style is too stale to keep this up friend
>Question though: Both Saruman and Gandalf suspected, why did gandalf take them through Moria anyways?
Last resort. Mountains were death. The hobbits were buried in snow and then snow wolves found them. Going around through the Gap of Rohan risked the ring going too close to Saruman. Going through Moria was the last option along with essentially every other decision made on the journey.
Why didn't the eagles fly them over the mountain?
>Look man, I appreciate you healing me of that poisoned arrow, but I don't work for you. I already helped out of one jam today. Handle your own problems.
-Lord of the Eagles
AND TO THINK THEY CALL IT A MINE
A MINE!
Why didn't Balin give them a welcome of any kind? Was he mad at Gimli? Racist against Hobbits?
kek Balin and the other dwarves actually befriended the Balrog. They were all hiding and we're gonna jump out, but then Gandalf took things a bit too far.
It was just a prank bro!
I'm currently reading Beren and Luthien. man I love this shit
Had the audiobook … that would be a great one to adapt
i love lotr threads so much bros
im glad someone else is making these threads now, i was getting burnt out and couldnt think of what to put in the OPs but now this guy has been a badass and just put the same thing many times in a row
Janitor? Janny... Oh yes I remember! virgin chap, big neckbeard, not seen him for 6 threads...
>not paid him for 6 threads...
he does it for free, noob
doubles?! four doubles!
what business brings you to sneeds?
there'll be no memes left for the rest of the thread...
>but it was not the end
Could've easily done the gap of Rohan, Sauronman was just beginning to get his uruks together
Perhaps there was a tax policy at the Gap that Gandalf didn't like
YOU ARE STANDING IN THE EYES OF THE STORM!!!!
>Let him go, you filth.
Leave the filth to me...
someone post the pasta
>Christopher, my son, did I ever tell you the full story of Shelob? You know, the monstrous spider descended from the vile Ungoliant which I used to read aloud of in our Oxford meetings of the Inklings? Well what I didn't mention back then was Shelob could also transform into a totally hot babe, all pale and dark and wan like Rebecca in Ivanhoe or what will later come to be known as the goth subculture. In fact she looked very much like the pornographic actress Stoya who will be born 13 years after I die. Christopher, I will be entrusting you with my estate. If there is ever a videogame adaptation of my work you must make sure they get this Shelob right. Make sure she is what the Anglo-Saxons would have called a hæða ecge, a real sexy b***h.
kek
in the movies it seems like Gimli is either huffing the copium, or just a moron (I prefer to think the former).
In the books everyone is aware that Moria is probably a no-go zone. Gimli is still eager to go though, to learn what happened to his kin, and there is a small chance they're still alive somewhere.
tell me with a straight face thats not just the developers cooming Lydia from skyrim
>Let us go through the Mines of Moria
Cole confirms he is in fact moronic by saying he enjoys Jimmy's humor
how was everyone unaware that moria had fallen there should have at least been some idea if you hadn't heard from them in a while
how many times will this question need to be answered?
New people getting interested? Like me, sure I seen the movies but I have not read all the books, only a part of the first book.
ik watching RoTK extended on blu ray right now.
frofro just went into the cave
I have to look away during the Shelob scene.
I just finished it.
Yes Shelob is a scary b***h.
What an adventure that was!
why, she’s beautiful
don't stick your dick in crazy
>tfw no spider gf to sneak up and paralyze you
>Hey guys, should we send Glorfindel with the fellowship?
>Nah
I love that the reasons for not sending Glorfindel are basically Elrond's autism about needing 9 in the fellowship to match the 9 ringwraiths without any explanation of what that means beyond symbolism and then shrugging and saying "With what you'll face, who knows if an Elf Lord would even be able to help." I bet he could help a little.
>Glorfindel
Didn't he also kill a Balrog once? He was pretty much the most bad ass Elf left in middle earth right?
>Didn't he also kill a Balrog once?
Yep. He died too, but I guess that's besides the point. Supposedly, he came back to middle earth supercharged and is more powerful than ever before.
>He was pretty much the most bad ass Elf left in middle earth right?
Yes. He's certainly the post powerful warrior elf in middle earth by that point in the 3rd age and it's not even close.
still doesn't do shit
exactly. It's dumb and tolkien is a fricking hack. Fingolfin was cooler anyways.
Who is the most powerful elf in all the lands?
Define power. Galadriel may well be the most "powerful" elf during the 3rd age. Glorfindel could obviously take her in a fight, but that's combat prowess. Elrond has the most military might during the 3rd age, I'd imagine. Maybe Thranduil could rival him?
power meaning they could wreck the most shit if so desired. alone.
Well if we're talking living elves, then Glorfindel is the one. If we're including dead elves, then Fingolfin, who is probably the greatest elven warrior who ever lived. Another is Ecthelion, who is arguably stronger than any version of Glorfindel. He killed multiple balrogs, including Gothmog himself.
"[Ecthelion] killed multiple balrogs, including Gothmog himself."
Why are you referencing some ancient version of the Fall of Gondolin - in which Balrogs were not Maiar but just fire monsters that numbered in the hundreds and were easily killed - rather than the version that appears in the Silmarillion? I can't imagine being a big enough loregay to know who these characters are, but apparently not enough of a loregay to have read the undisputed #1 book on Middle-Earth lore.
Wasn't the reason why Glorfindel couldn't go with the Fellowship was that he was too powerful and as a result Sauron could better find where they were?
Yes, Gandalf warned them that they shouldn't take Glorfindel because his spirit was so strong that he would be a homing beacon for Sauron's forces.
They could not say it, but they were worried he would be tempted by the ring given prolonged exposure to the ringbearer, and he was not a mortal like Boromir whose temptation could be feasibly maintained by 8 others.
Just my theory, though.
Why didn't the eagles fly the ring to Valanor?
They were intelligent beings who could be corrupted by the ring, also when Valinor was part of the world it was way further than an eagle could fly, also Valinor (heaven) was removed from the world when the earth was reformed from a plane into a ball, and eagles as mortal beings cannot get through the straight path (staircase to heaven).
I know you were joking, but I am not joking, I am super serious they would kick me out of the Shire for how serious and tall I am.
What did Gimli mean by this? It is a mine.
It's a city. A mine evokes images of some dusty old tunnel spanning like 10-20 foot in diameter supported by wooden beams for the purpose of harvesting coal or iron. Moria was a massive undercity like any other Dwarven hold.
It's not a mine. It's a tomb.
>In a mine in the ground, there lived a Balrog.
And she had breasts.
*proceeds to make hand gesture holding two watermelons*
breasts!
Moria as a popular tourist destination yay or nay?
Splitting class B stock cannot be done by any instrument we here possess, Gimli son of Gloin. It needs to be taken to the land of Delaware, and amended in the articles of incorporation, where it was forged.
>Gimli son of Gloin
>not Gimli of Gloin & Sons
Gimli basically killed Gandalf by saying that, maybe Boromir too by extension given what happened after. What was his problem?
gimli also wanted frodo and sam dead
what was his problem really?
>watched lotr in the late 2000s
>never watched it since
>rewatched it recently
>it's still really good
I was expecting it to be worse than I remembered but damn it's still kino
Has aged surprisingly well too in terms of CG
>Has aged surprisingly well too in terms of CG
Because it's practical effects mixed with CGI. For example Balrog is made out of footage of real fire. Only the troll is a bit dated but they knew it would be wise to shoot it in a darker environment and not make the troll the sole focus of the scene.
>dwarven mines
>gimli doesn't even know how to get in
>door riddle is in elvish also
it was a special door to facilitate trade with the elves when they were still on friendly terms, it's not the main entrance dwarves would have used
Who's Moria?
So the Dwarves at the council, did they get there by going over the mountain?
How did none of them know Moria was fricked?
>so, we haven't heard from the Moria dwarves in a few hundred years... should we check them out?
>nah they're fine
I don't like the theme that everything is dying out, it's miserable.
>oh ho jolly tales, I wonder how my cousin is
>entire civilisation extinct for centuries
how about a fantasy where everything is alive, at a glorious peak that lasts for untold thousands of years and only moving on to better things if anything changes.
>how about a fantasy where everything is alive, at a glorious peak that lasts for untold thousands of years and only moving on to better things if anything changes.
That's the silmarillion during the siege of utumno. The most peaceful time in middle earth, probably.
let's go there then and live in total peace and happiness.
because it doesn't make for compelling stories
The oldest story in western civilization is about everything dying out and the glorious era ending. White people are just morose fricks, it seems.
>But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken forever do they pass into song.
I'm pretty sure all the Dwarves at the Council came from the Blue Mountains, which are in the west.
There are Dwarves living right next to the Shire and they never really talk to the Hobbits or nearby humans? They have to pass by to get to Rivedell
frick
4k release is so fricking soulless
looks good to me. you're just imagining things
>No, I would not save a thumbnail image unless I had no other choice...
nice dubs
give them a deduction for pity's sake
Dwarvish cities and fortresses seem to have a tendency to always become a den of evil, care to explain pocket princes?
their greed blinds them to the dangers in the earth, and their wealth attracts the attention of hostile forces from above, not to mention since orcs hate the sun a dwarf city is perfect for them. If you're an orc warlord would you want to invade some human kingdom full of poor farmers where you have to hide half the day, or a dwarven city rich in metals where your warband can be up and about at any time?
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Jackson's balrog is so much better than the lore friendly ones
Would you ever want to see HIM in a Lord of The Rings film adaptation?
I wouldn't trust it not to be CGI pajeetslop
I have completely forgotten that Glaurung was a winglet. This explains so much.
what do they eat?
Glaurung - 5’11
Ancalagon - 6’0
"We can grind exp there and my uncle has a save point there. There's some cool hidden shit."
"Don't listen to him. There's just Shute herbs there and the monsters will only get you 5 exp each!"
"That's only because he's a level 99 wizard. You level 1 halflings will get hundreds per orc."
There it is. The exact spot that the One Ring decided, it all its infinite wisdom, to get Isildur killed and itself lost for thousands of years in the river. Just sitting in the water, of no use whatsoever to its master or anyone else. Bravo Ring, excellent plan.
it just wanted to dab on isildur, it didn't think it through
Not the ring's fault that Sauron couldn't row up from Dol Guldur to retrieve it.
Yeah no shit. It should have stayed with Isildur and corrupted him and helped him build a mighty state built on pure military power that could be wooed into the Dark Lord's service. What a clueless little homosexual Ring. Geeze.
>corrupting Isildur
The guy was an absolute gigachad, more than even Elendil. The movies did him dirty.
What the frick was Isildur doing all the way up there?
He was ultimately on his way to Arnor to assert his rule, but he wanted to stop by Rivendell first, so rather than going west then north he instead went north then planned to cut back west across the mountains after his visit
The ring has a will of it's own but nobody ever said it has a brain.
Isildur was on his way to hand over the ring to Elrond, you know, the guy who wanted Isildur to "CAST IT INTO THE FIRE. DESTROY IT." The ring had to stop Isildur or it would be in danger, and there happened to be a nearby party of orc, so it called to them and that's what happened.
Sauron wasn't in a position to make use of the ring for 2.5k years so I don't think it really matters
You don't think it matters if Sauron returns to meet hostile kingdoms on his borders or instead to meet openly friendly kingdoms worshiping Sauron who have been eagerly awaiting his return? The ring could certainly have made that happen.
Sauron had plenty of allies without the Ring doing anything. Remember He would've won had the Ring not been destroyed.
Apparently not, since he lost and all... Would have been much more pleasant to just walk back into Middle Earth with no fighting since everyone was on his side because the ring had been doing its job for thousands of years
>Apparently not
Apparently not what?
That makes no sense as a reply to what I posted.
WHY DID THEY KEEP GOING IN ONCE THEY OPENED THE FRICKING DOOR AND SAW NO ONE WAS CLEARLY HOME WTF WERE THEY THINKING
did you like fall asleep for the five minutes immediately after they opened it?
yea they should’ve turned around to continue fighting and losing to the river monster
>They have a cave troll!
The moment it became cloakshit.
in the book it was just a really big orc and boromir hit him so hard he broke his sword hilt
what exactly does the ring do? what would happen if a Cinemaphile user in 2023 put the ring on? would they become chads?
I think they'd become a school shooter
instantly turned into gollum
>Everyone either shook, corrupted or stunned still by the ring, having power fantasies over using it, being seduced by it or fighting over it
>Gimli immediately grabs an axe and gets to work when he is informed that it is to be destroyed
And he only got angry when the elf started power tripping. Gimli would be the absolute favorite of the series had he not made to be such a comic relief. Some of it was excellent though
>Do you want me to describe it for you or should I get a box?
>3 second stare
>Hehehe good one elfboy
Dwarves are based. Their natural immunity in response to magic rings only makes them murderous and greedy over time. Meanwhile elves and men flip the frick out quickly.
>haha le dwarf is... le short
Peak of sophisticated and time-refined elf humor. He must have cackled in his head while thinking it up
every time I click on Cinemaphile
>this is no mine
>it’s a tomb
Helm's Deep was so rad. Remember when there were Helm's Deep starcraft maps?
cool pic. I remember the war of the ring maps. I think there is a YouTube channel that has a bunch of replays
post dwarf women. i do not believe that they truly have beards
WHERE IS IT
Pimp fingers w yellow ring?
why does this botpost get 300+ replies every time?
because it's an execuse to talk about lotr and fantasy stuff. If you know this thread is going to be posted everyday why bother making a different one?
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KURWAA KURWAA
I don't get it
>Be Denethor
>Wage war against a literal fallen angel and his empire
>Successfully fight him to a standstill
>No other kingdoms help, elves send thoughts and prayers, dwarves are playing minecraft
>Learn to only rely on Gondor's own strength
>Wear chainmail under clothes to protect against assassins and remind myself of war
>Learn how to use a palantir, be strong willed enough to contest Sauron's will through it
>Wife dies
>Enemy hordes are literally endless, begin to slowly lose ground
>Favorite elder son dies
>A wizard is grooming a pretender to usurp the throne of Gondor behind my back
>Enemy hordes are at the gate
>No help in sight
>The city is 99.9% fallen
>Last son dies
>Go mad from despair
Be honest with me, Cinemaphile - would you do better if you were in Denethor's place? I think Jackson's movies did him dirty.
>would you do better if you were in Denethor's place?
Most likely not.
>I think Jackson's movies did him dirty.
Absolutely. He is one of the many reasons why I generally dislike the movies, compared to the books.
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But… he ate small tomatoes…
He also watched towards cirith ungol with the palantir and saw Frodo being captured. Ofc he assumed the worst scenario and became suicidal.
i never thought about it this way.
book Denethor is a cooler dude
Agree with every word here
He is still a flawed character, but the movies removed his good qualities.
>my ancestors were driven out by a Balrog and thousands of orcs but I'm sure it's fine now
How dumb was Gimli?
Why doesn't it get a rerelease? I downloaded the pirated version last night and it STILL holds up as a great strategy game
For me it's Conquest
I torrented that shit, it's fun but OG battlefront already scratched that itch. Plus the Two Towers and Return of The King on PS2 was superior. I'm so glad I have emulators for all this shit
Why does BfME II need a re-release?
Because it's a lovely game mechanically speaking, it just needs some freshening up graphics wise.
But it already works, you even said yourself that you have found it and played it already.
>it just needs some freshening up graphics wise.
Have you seen how such undertakings turn out in the current era? Do you really wish such fate for your favourite game?
>Have you seen how such undertakings turn out in the current era? Do you really wish such fate for your favourite game?
Starcraft Remastered was a smashing success, WC 3 might've been as well if it wasn't outsourced.
Is that the Sarlacc pit?
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the lotr balrog is still one of the best uses of cgi is cinema
Did Gimli have no other way to hold his axe other than in his hands the entire time?
You're my favorite anon on Cinemaphile.
What I don't understand is why there seems to be a discrepency in whether or not it is common knowledge that Moria is a dangerous place. Galadriel and Gandalf definitely knew, but Gimli didn't? He knew about Durins Bane, but also thought his cousin was just chilling in Moria? What's going on there?
Answer my fricking question, buttholes. I've been wondering about this for 20 years now and I still can't figure it out.
Even when the Balrog first routed Dwarfs from Moria it took years, last Gimli or any other dwarf heard the reclaiming of Moria was going well
Besides, there were only bad options when it came to getting past the mountains and Gandalf probably hoped that a quick run through the mine would not awake it
dwarves love the underground, they feel safe there.
>Gimli son of Glóin?
>Gimli the THROWN
>PIPPIN: I didn't think it would end this way.
>GANDALF: End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass, and then you see it.
>PIPPIN: What? Gandalf? See what?
>GANDALF: White shores, and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.
>PIPPIN: Well, that isn't so bad.
>GANDALF: No. No, it isn't.”