you mean to imply that the art is wrong?
it's merely depicting what is described in the book >His enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings.
now get the frick outta my thread dicksplash
Uh, no. Tolkien calenders featuring LotR artwork have been published for half a century and the issue of whether Balrogs should have wings or not had always been a contentious one for grogs. There's less talk about it anymore because everyone recognizes how it looks in the movies.
Also old English is a separate language entirely from modern or even middle English.
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He probably meant "old" in the sense that it precedes the modern rapidly devolving pidgin-like bastardization of the language. Sad innit.
Capitol "G" God wasn't involved, the lowercase "g" gods made the Istari old men. And however they manifested themselves prior it's unlikely they could have changed form on a whim, most Ainur seem to get locked in once they'd settled into a body. Sauron however had a great affinity for shapeshifting and could manifest as whatever he wanted but that seemed to have been a rare (if not unique) talent. At different times he appeared as an Elf, wolf-monster, bat-monster, and as a giant snake too I think.
The Valar/Eru (it's not clear who rezzed him) gave Gandalf a power boost but he still wasn't supposed to actually fight Sauron so he was still just an old man, albeit one who was invulnerable to unenchanted weapons.
It's very bloated but it's fine. It's not as good as LOTR in terms of effort and mood, but I genuinely think The Hobbit's shire intro is better than Fellowship's shire intro. They change the story a little to spread out characters "better" but otherwise it's for the most part true to the story, it just adds a lot of unnecessary characters and dialogue to pad it out.
Maple Films edit is good although there's still a little more that I'd change if I knew how to do it. It's not worth sitting through 12 hours of 75% slop when you can do 4.5 hours of 10% slop instead.
It starts as a fun weird musical and ends with a depressing hour-long bloodbath. Jackson completely ruined the warg circle scene, the Beorn sequence, the barrel thing (which I'll admit is fun at the time), and the attack on Laketown, and the final battle is a ridiculous and disgusting mess.
In all seriousness, why didn't they fly the eagles directly to Mordor from the start?
They weren't even willing to fly over Wilderland, and the bird who rescued Gandalf from Orthanc would take him no further than Edoras in Rohan where he got Shadowfax. That they intervened in the BoFA is made confusing by the ridiculous Attack of the Clones nature of Jackson's battle scene, and by the fact that you don't seem to know who these beings are. Gandalf and Thorondor were both created directly by Manwë who is the senior power in all the world (apart from Illuvatar who isn't in the world). But Gandalf serves him directly for the purpose of countering Sauron, while Thorondor was created long before for earlier reasons, and it is his grandson Gwaihir who helps Gandalf. Gwaihir is not a Maia, and Gandalf has seniority. It's unclear if Gandalf took the extraordinary step of pulling rank and commanding him to do this, or if Manwë himself intervened, but the point is they are stubborn and don't want to get shot down, but they aren't pig headed or stupid and they do answer to someone. They are not wildlife.
I will add that the Valar don't generally intervene, because they have peaced out after seeing much of the world they created destroyed, and then being forced to sink half of it to prevent an invasion of their own lands. Eventually they hide Valinor in a secret uncurved place in spacetime, or just outer space if you prefer. I have read elsewhere that Manwë acts directly in LotR on two other occasions but can't prove it myself. As a rule they are wary of getting involved.
But I had forgotten Bombadil, if indeed this is still the same that walked the
woods and hills long ago, and even then was older than the old. That was not then his
name. Iarwain Ben-adar we called him, oldest and fatherless. But many another name
he has since been given by other folk: Forn by the Dwarves, Orald by Northern Men,
and other names beside. He is a strange creature, but maybe I should have summoned
him to our Council.'
`He would not have come,' said Gandalf.
`Could we not still send messages to him and obtain his help?' asked Erestor. `It
seems that he has a power even over the Ring.'
`No, I should not put it so,' said Gandalf. `Say rather that the Ring has no power
over him. He is his own master. But he cannot alter the Ring itself, nor break its
power over others. And now he is withdrawn into a little land, within bounds that he
has set, though none can see them, waiting perhaps for a change of days, and he will
not step beyond them.'
`But within those bounds nothing seems to dismay him,' said Erestor. `Would he
not take the Ring and keep it there, for ever harmless?'
`No,' said Gandalf, `not willingly. He might do so, if all the free folk of the world
begged him, but he would not understand the need. And if he were given the Ring, he
would soon forget it, or most likely throw it away. Such things have no hold on his
mind. He would be a most unsafe guardian; and that alone is answer enough.'
`But in any case,' said Glorfindel, `to send the Ring to him would only postpone
the day of evil. He is far away. We could not now take it back to him, unguessed,
unmarked by any spy. And even if we could, soon or late the Lord of the Rings would
learn of its hiding place and would bend all his power towards it. Could that power be
defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered,
Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First; and then Night will come.'
maybe he was hoping Balin and bros had carved out a little barricaded community in a back corner of the mine, which in his mind he exaggerated to be as if the entire kingdom had been rebuilt.
Both Gandalf and Aragorn had been through Moria multiple times and never encountered the Balrog. During all the years their resettlement effort lasted Balin's party never encountered it either. It was reasonable to assume it had gone back to sleep, and even if it hadn't running into it was a one in a million chance. Moria wasn't a big tunnel it was literally an entire country extending in three dimensions.
Both Gandalf and Aragorn had been through Moria multiple times and never encountered the Balrog. During all the years their resettlement effort lasted Balin's party never encountered it either. It was reasonable to assume it had gone back to sleep, and even if it hadn't running into it was a one in a million chance. Moria wasn't a big tunnel it was literally an entire country extending in three dimensions.
Pippin dropped a bucket on his head, that would piss any firey demon off.
Just had a scary experience where I stepped out of my gym sauna and passed out from heat stroke. As I lay there trying to keep consciousness, all I could hear was Into The West in my earbuds basically telling me to accept death.
The heat was way higher than normal, I may have been mildly dehydration, and stayed in 5 minutes more than normal. Combined with the cool air from outside just ended me.
Moria is an ancient country sized labyrinth
we really should be asking how the extremely unlikely situation of them bumping in to goblins and a fricking balrog
>we really should be asking how the extremely unlikely situation of them bumping in to goblins and a fricking balrog
The Orcs were alerted by Merry and Pippin chucking rocks down a well like morons, the Balrog was probably drawn to the ring the same way the Watcher in the Waters was. In the book the ring never sent out a magic GPS beacon to its exact location like in the movies but it did invite trouble.
>Be Sauron >Know that a hobbit has the ring >Catch a hobbit sneaking into Mordor wearing an extremely rare mithril shirt >Somehow the orcs that found the hobbit are all killed and the hobbit escapes >Do not look into the situation any further and focus on fighting Aragorn instead
Originally. Aragorn convinced him he had the ring after Saruman was defeated.
>Somehow the orcs that found the hobbit are all killed and the hobbit escapes
"Somehow". They killed each other over the chainshirt. Sam picked off a few who were in his way while the rest rioted. Sauron believed the hobbit was spy sent by Gandalf.
>Somehow the orcs that found the hobbit are all killed and the hobbit escapes
This actually makes a ton of sense. If Frodo had the Ring, the orcs would've found it and Sauron would've been immediately altered to it. Sauron didn't know about Sam.
Sauron couldnt even conceive anyone would be able to simply not want the ring for themselves, so there was no danger of that in his mind. For him there was basically no chance that Aragorn didnt keep the ring for himself because the want for power is all he can conceive both him and others wanting. The whole thing about evil in Tolkien is that if evil was smart and could conceive people being selfless then it wouldnt be evil, so yes, evil is by necessity not amazingly smart.
I will always maintain that this is still a plothole even with every in-universe explanation, because you still FEEL like they should just fly the fricking eagles, even if they can't because reasons. It's a frick-up of storytelling to have used them at the beginning and end, it creates a feeling of dissonance to then arbitrarily exclude them from helping with the main journey.
No, you will always maintain that because you want it to be true. Because you want to feel smarter than Tolkien, and possibly than everybody you'll ever encounter.
>hey here's this super overpowered character >oh shit, this super overpowered character could actually solve a lot of the obstacles i've written for my characters to develop and overcome >okay i'll just make it so they can only be used in very niche situations
yeah, great writing. just dont write in the fricking eagles.
Just because something is not explicitly stated doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are no direct contradictions despite all of your attempts at misrepresentation. Eagles being preoccupied by some of Sauron's minions is the easiest, most obvious explanation. It's a war that has engulfed half of the continent and has no signs of spreading. You are either way dumber than you believe or are baiting to keep the thread bumped through outrage.
>here's my fanfic about what tolkien meant
yeah so you actually think you're smarter than tolkien. lmaooooooooo
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It's a fanfic to your fanfic of "b-but it MUST be so because I say so!"
3 months ago
Anonymous
you're not smarter than tolkien, sorry
why isn't it great writing? >books for kids
only the hobbit was for kids, why are you lying?
because it introduces a deus ex machina to the plot when it's convenient. a better writer would have come up with another compelling way for those characters to get out of those situations
3 months ago
Anonymous
Unlike your moronic ass I have never pretended to be. Your asinine assertions of it being a problem with the story because you >FEEL
it is will never, ever be anything but shitty fan fiction. Enjoy your impotent rage.
3 months ago
Anonymous
you write like a 16 year old trying to pretend he's smart. "impotent rage" looool. someone got bullied
what's the problem with that when the deus ex machina aspect is well established and written into the worldbulding? and funny you write the word "deus", because it's a world with literal gods involved
it doesn't "introduce" gandalf when it's convenient, he's there from the start
gandalf is actually a good example of taking an overpowered character and using him sparingly.. the eagles aren't
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but im not talking about the eagles, i already said i agree with you about them. i thought you meant gandalf by "overpowered character"
anyways here's the explanation https://youtu.be/1-Uz0LMbWpI?si=QiIY30YidVkNWVki
3 months ago
Anonymous
based esl
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Anonymous
how am i esl? the eagle*s* aren't a "character", and i don't consider them overpowered. also why did you argue with me when i said i found the eagle part "silly"? why would i defend them when i said that?
3 months ago
Anonymous
schizo post
3 months ago
Anonymous
dunno it seemed very comprehensive and straightforward. what did you have trouble with understanding?
3 months ago
Anonymous
what's the problem with that when the deus ex machina aspect is well established and written into the worldbulding? and funny you write the word "deus", because it's a world with literal gods involved
it doesn't "introduce" gandalf when it's convenient, he's there from the start
your first example is made abundantly clear in the books and isn't a plothole he had to cover up
but the eagles thing is legitimately a bit silly i'll admit. at least take them halfway or something
i didn't say they were a plothole because they aren't a plothole. it's just not good writing. sorry guys, the man who wrote books for kids maybe wasn't the greatest writer who ever lived
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why isn't it great writing? >books for kids
only the hobbit was for kids, why are you lying?
He had nowhere else to expand and it would win him favor with Sauron. Rohan was also allied to Gondor. That alliance was sacred and was a condition for Gondor ceding the land to Rohan in the first place.
He had nowhere else to expand and it would win him favor with Sauron. Rohan was also allied to Gondor. That alliance was sacred and was a condition for Gondor ceding the land to Rohan in the first place.
the real question is why Isengard attacked Helm's Deep instead of just marching out front and keeping everyone stuck inside until their supplies ran out.
That would have actually been what they would have done. You're marching up on a fortress that is wedged between two mountains and they have no escape. They are ill-equipped and undermanned, but they have the advantage of being behind a wall. There is no reason to attack. Just build a line of circumvallation well outside of their archer's distance. Basically it's the besieging army building their own defensive works to stop anyone from the castle from coming out to attack them. Then you turn around and build a line of contravallation to protect your rear from any field army that may be allied to the fortress you are besieging. In this case it would be Gandalf's cavalry that came at dawn.
It's the perfect place to do it. Sauron and Saruman's armies have already showed they are quite adept at building advanced equipment. Why throw your soldiers at a fortified position when you can just bottle them in their own fortress? You could probably build your own fortress right outside of the walls of Hornburg to keep them trapped and defend against Gandalf's cavalry attempting to relieve them. Leave a skeleton crew to man it and move the bulk of your forces elsewhere. Minas Tirith perhaps. You could probably do the same fricking thing there that you did at Hornburg. Just block them in, they are against a mountain and can only sally out in one direction. Why siege at all?
>everyone is shocked that the dwarves are all dead >bodies look like they're a hundred years old
what the frick? don't dwarves trade? they didn't have anyone visit in that fricking long?
They did know it was destroyed. MORIA IS NOT ITS NAME. Moria means The Black Pit and they called it that after it was destroyed and infested with orcs. The city's name was Dwarrowdelf or Khazad-dum.
they ran into balls
that's a Ballrog
that's a Ballrog
it's a Ballrog
is this a Balrog ?
That's one of the nameless horrors that the Balrog wanted to get away from after falling.
this one captures the "fallen angel" concept really well
This is the best and most accurate depiction I've seen
It should be about four times smaller, but that would take away from the awe of course.
sam on the middle right giving the stank eye to the camera.
Why does the obvious Sam look like the guy who played him in the movie?
More like a basketballrog.
I liked gandalf's voice in these films
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Why does the balrog here looks like a drag queen?
Because it looks like an evil demon.
they just rotoscoped a guy wearing a bunch of random costume items
Balrog’s don’t have wings
You do not have wings
What's your point?
you mean to imply that the art is wrong?
it's merely depicting what is described in the book
>His enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings.
now get the frick outta my thread dicksplash
The question of whether Tolkien meant literal wings or not has been a hugely divisive issue for Tolkiengays historically.
you are joking right?
its old english. it was never meant literal and whoever has argued that should not be considered a tolkiengay
>its old english
Uh, no. Tolkien calenders featuring LotR artwork have been published for half a century and the issue of whether Balrogs should have wings or not had always been a contentious one for grogs. There's less talk about it anymore because everyone recognizes how it looks in the movies.
Also old English is a separate language entirely from modern or even middle English.
He probably meant "old" in the sense that it precedes the modern rapidly devolving pidgin-like bastardization of the language. Sad innit.
Why can't Gandolf just turn into a Balrog? I mean they're the same tier of divinity right?
god told him to limit his power level
Capitol "G" God wasn't involved, the lowercase "g" gods made the Istari old men. And however they manifested themselves prior it's unlikely they could have changed form on a whim, most Ainur seem to get locked in once they'd settled into a body. Sauron however had a great affinity for shapeshifting and could manifest as whatever he wanted but that seemed to have been a rare (if not unique) talent. At different times he appeared as an Elf, wolf-monster, bat-monster, and as a giant snake too I think.
But then Gandolf was sent back as just a holier version of himself and not some giant divine angel thing.
The Valar/Eru (it's not clear who rezzed him) gave Gandalf a power boost but he still wasn't supposed to actually fight Sauron so he was still just an old man, albeit one who was invulnerable to unenchanted weapons.
If Balrogs are so cool, why are they all dead?
Bakshi's film is kino and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise
>supposed to be a Balrog
>make not-Pazuzu instead
Interesting take. Never heard it before but it makes perfect sense and I will repeat it any time this comes up.
The NYPD shut them down, Gimlieb.
I'm still going
>He just goes??!
I started watching The Hobbit trilogy with my friends, is it actually bad?
An Unexpected Party, Riddles in the Dark. and Smaug were alright. Everything else was bad.
Mirkwood is excellent. In fact I'm just going to say it, The Hobbit movies are good with the exception of 60% of BOTFA
There are some fan edits of it people say are good
It's very bloated but it's fine. It's not as good as LOTR in terms of effort and mood, but I genuinely think The Hobbit's shire intro is better than Fellowship's shire intro. They change the story a little to spread out characters "better" but otherwise it's for the most part true to the story, it just adds a lot of unnecessary characters and dialogue to pad it out.
Maple Films edit is good although there's still a little more that I'd change if I knew how to do it. It's not worth sitting through 12 hours of 75% slop when you can do 4.5 hours of 10% slop instead.
It starts as a fun weird musical and ends with a depressing hour-long bloodbath. Jackson completely ruined the warg circle scene, the Beorn sequence, the barrel thing (which I'll admit is fun at the time), and the attack on Laketown, and the final battle is a ridiculous and disgusting mess.
They weren't even willing to fly over Wilderland, and the bird who rescued Gandalf from Orthanc would take him no further than Edoras in Rohan where he got Shadowfax. That they intervened in the BoFA is made confusing by the ridiculous Attack of the Clones nature of Jackson's battle scene, and by the fact that you don't seem to know who these beings are. Gandalf and Thorondor were both created directly by Manwë who is the senior power in all the world (apart from Illuvatar who isn't in the world). But Gandalf serves him directly for the purpose of countering Sauron, while Thorondor was created long before for earlier reasons, and it is his grandson Gwaihir who helps Gandalf. Gwaihir is not a Maia, and Gandalf has seniority. It's unclear if Gandalf took the extraordinary step of pulling rank and commanding him to do this, or if Manwë himself intervened, but the point is they are stubborn and don't want to get shot down, but they aren't pig headed or stupid and they do answer to someone. They are not wildlife.
I will add that the Valar don't generally intervene, because they have peaced out after seeing much of the world they created destroyed, and then being forced to sink half of it to prevent an invasion of their own lands. Eventually they hide Valinor in a secret uncurved place in spacetime, or just outer space if you prefer. I have read elsewhere that Manwë acts directly in LotR on two other occasions but can't prove it myself. As a rule they are wary of getting involved.
Final answer: Radagast sent them.
nice art and good explenation
in all seriousness, what was the purpose of Bombadil and why didn't he carry the ring willingly into Mordor
But I had forgotten Bombadil, if indeed this is still the same that walked the
woods and hills long ago, and even then was older than the old. That was not then his
name. Iarwain Ben-adar we called him, oldest and fatherless. But many another name
he has since been given by other folk: Forn by the Dwarves, Orald by Northern Men,
and other names beside. He is a strange creature, but maybe I should have summoned
him to our Council.'
`He would not have come,' said Gandalf.
`Could we not still send messages to him and obtain his help?' asked Erestor. `It
seems that he has a power even over the Ring.'
`No, I should not put it so,' said Gandalf. `Say rather that the Ring has no power
over him. He is his own master. But he cannot alter the Ring itself, nor break its
power over others. And now he is withdrawn into a little land, within bounds that he
has set, though none can see them, waiting perhaps for a change of days, and he will
not step beyond them.'
`But within those bounds nothing seems to dismay him,' said Erestor. `Would he
not take the Ring and keep it there, for ever harmless?'
`No,' said Gandalf, `not willingly. He might do so, if all the free folk of the world
begged him, but he would not understand the need. And if he were given the Ring, he
would soon forget it, or most likely throw it away. Such things have no hold on his
mind. He would be a most unsafe guardian; and that alone is answer enough.'
`But in any case,' said Glorfindel, `to send the Ring to him would only postpone
the day of evil. He is far away. We could not now take it back to him, unguessed,
unmarked by any spy. And even if we could, soon or late the Lord of the Rings would
learn of its hiding place and would bend all his power towards it. Could that power be
defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered,
Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First; and then Night will come.'
>let's go through the abandoned mine notorious for harboring a fiery beast
was gimli a double agent for sauron or what?
he was low iq.
maybe he was hoping Balin and bros had carved out a little barricaded community in a back corner of the mine, which in his mind he exaggerated to be as if the entire kingdom had been rebuilt.
Both Gandalf and Aragorn had been through Moria multiple times and never encountered the Balrog. During all the years their resettlement effort lasted Balin's party never encountered it either. It was reasonable to assume it had gone back to sleep, and even if it hadn't running into it was a one in a million chance. Moria wasn't a big tunnel it was literally an entire country extending in three dimensions.
In the movie it's a tunnel
lmao based. frick off bookgays. explain the movies and the movies alone nerds.
>Both Gandalf and Aragorn had been through Moria multiple times
Were all the dwarves dead or did that happen later?
gandalf killed them
>"do not be so eager to deal out death and judgement"
>turns to camera
>winks
They would have got away with it too, if it weren't for that meddling Took
Pippin dropped a bucket on his head, that would piss any firey demon off.
lets us bane through the plane of C.I.ANE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"a.............'MINE'"
like really?
Post more Balrog art.
Kino legs
is this a Balrog?
That's Balrogman, the loyal lackey of Balrog.
Balrog is a type of Sauron
That is Balron, son of Balrog.
What's with the random Stoya pic in a lotr thread?
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Posts like these are borderline depressing simply because we all know there will never be kino like the LOTR trilogy ever again. Never ever.
But on the plus side we still have LOTR despite ~~*their*~~ efforts
Just had a scary experience where I stepped out of my gym sauna and passed out from heat stroke. As I lay there trying to keep consciousness, all I could hear was Into The West in my earbuds basically telling me to accept death.
wtf you stayed in too long or what?
The heat was way higher than normal, I may have been mildly dehydration, and stayed in 5 minutes more than normal. Combined with the cool air from outside just ended me.
*Dances into your thread*
*dances into your battlefield*
Tom b is still a mystery to me
>salted pork?
If the orcs were so afraid of Balrog why did they hang out in the same tunnels with it?
Moria is an ancient country sized labyrinth
we really should be asking how the extremely unlikely situation of them bumping in to goblins and a fricking balrog
>we really should be asking how the extremely unlikely situation of them bumping in to goblins and a fricking balrog
The Orcs were alerted by Merry and Pippin chucking rocks down a well like morons, the Balrog was probably drawn to the ring the same way the Watcher in the Waters was. In the book the ring never sent out a magic GPS beacon to its exact location like in the movies but it did invite trouble.
In the book the Balrog commanded the Orcs, they didn't run from it.
He's their leader. He's just saying spread out you chowderheads.
>Be Sauron
>Know that a hobbit has the ring
>Catch a hobbit sneaking into Mordor wearing an extremely rare mithril shirt
>Somehow the orcs that found the hobbit are all killed and the hobbit escapes
>Do not look into the situation any further and focus on fighting Aragorn instead
clearly an elite scout
an invasion is certainly imminent
>Know that a hobbit has the ring
Originally. Aragorn convinced him he had the ring after Saruman was defeated.
>Somehow the orcs that found the hobbit are all killed and the hobbit escapes
"Somehow". They killed each other over the chainshirt. Sam picked off a few who were in his way while the rest rioted. Sauron believed the hobbit was spy sent by Gandalf.
>Somehow the orcs that found the hobbit are all killed and the hobbit escapes
This actually makes a ton of sense. If Frodo had the Ring, the orcs would've found it and Sauron would've been immediately altered to it. Sauron didn't know about Sam.
Sauron couldnt even conceive anyone would be able to simply not want the ring for themselves, so there was no danger of that in his mind. For him there was basically no chance that Aragorn didnt keep the ring for himself because the want for power is all he can conceive both him and others wanting. The whole thing about evil in Tolkien is that if evil was smart and could conceive people being selfless then it wouldnt be evil, so yes, evil is by necessity not amazingly smart.
In all seriousness, why didn't they fly the eagles directly to Mordor from the start?
They hadn't unlocked the flight path
I will always maintain that this is still a plothole even with every in-universe explanation, because you still FEEL like they should just fly the fricking eagles, even if they can't because reasons. It's a frick-up of storytelling to have used them at the beginning and end, it creates a feeling of dissonance to then arbitrarily exclude them from helping with the main journey.
No, you will always maintain that because you want it to be true. Because you want to feel smarter than Tolkien, and possibly than everybody you'll ever encounter.
>hey here's this super overpowered character
>oh shit, this super overpowered character could actually solve a lot of the obstacles i've written for my characters to develop and overcome
>okay i'll just make it so they can only be used in very niche situations
yeah, great writing. just dont write in the fricking eagles.
Just because something is not explicitly stated doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are no direct contradictions despite all of your attempts at misrepresentation. Eagles being preoccupied by some of Sauron's minions is the easiest, most obvious explanation. It's a war that has engulfed half of the continent and has no signs of spreading. You are either way dumber than you believe or are baiting to keep the thread bumped through outrage.
>here's my fanfic about what tolkien meant
yeah so you actually think you're smarter than tolkien. lmaooooooooo
It's a fanfic to your fanfic of "b-but it MUST be so because I say so!"
you're not smarter than tolkien, sorry
because it introduces a deus ex machina to the plot when it's convenient. a better writer would have come up with another compelling way for those characters to get out of those situations
Unlike your moronic ass I have never pretended to be. Your asinine assertions of it being a problem with the story because you
>FEEL
it is will never, ever be anything but shitty fan fiction. Enjoy your impotent rage.
you write like a 16 year old trying to pretend he's smart. "impotent rage" looool. someone got bullied
gandalf is actually a good example of taking an overpowered character and using him sparingly.. the eagles aren't
but im not talking about the eagles, i already said i agree with you about them. i thought you meant gandalf by "overpowered character"
anyways here's the explanation https://youtu.be/1-Uz0LMbWpI?si=QiIY30YidVkNWVki
based esl
how am i esl? the eagle*s* aren't a "character", and i don't consider them overpowered. also why did you argue with me when i said i found the eagle part "silly"? why would i defend them when i said that?
schizo post
dunno it seemed very comprehensive and straightforward. what did you have trouble with understanding?
what's the problem with that when the deus ex machina aspect is well established and written into the worldbulding? and funny you write the word "deus", because it's a world with literal gods involved
it doesn't "introduce" gandalf when it's convenient, he's there from the start
your first example is made abundantly clear in the books and isn't a plothole he had to cover up
but the eagles thing is legitimately a bit silly i'll admit. at least take them halfway or something
i didn't say they were a plothole because they aren't a plothole. it's just not good writing. sorry guys, the man who wrote books for kids maybe wasn't the greatest writer who ever lived
why isn't it great writing?
>books for kids
only the hobbit was for kids, why are you lying?
just think of the eagles as cabbies
"im not going south of the gap of rohan at this time in the third age, so frick off"
Why did Saruman attack Rohan anyway? I don’t understand what he actually stood to gain from it.
He had nowhere else to expand and it would win him favor with Sauron. Rohan was also allied to Gondor. That alliance was sacred and was a condition for Gondor ceding the land to Rohan in the first place.
the real question is why Isengard attacked Helm's Deep instead of just marching out front and keeping everyone stuck inside until their supplies ran out.
That would have actually been what they would have done. You're marching up on a fortress that is wedged between two mountains and they have no escape. They are ill-equipped and undermanned, but they have the advantage of being behind a wall. There is no reason to attack. Just build a line of circumvallation well outside of their archer's distance. Basically it's the besieging army building their own defensive works to stop anyone from the castle from coming out to attack them. Then you turn around and build a line of contravallation to protect your rear from any field army that may be allied to the fortress you are besieging. In this case it would be Gandalf's cavalry that came at dawn.
It's the perfect place to do it. Sauron and Saruman's armies have already showed they are quite adept at building advanced equipment. Why throw your soldiers at a fortified position when you can just bottle them in their own fortress? You could probably build your own fortress right outside of the walls of Hornburg to keep them trapped and defend against Gandalf's cavalry attempting to relieve them. Leave a skeleton crew to man it and move the bulk of your forces elsewhere. Minas Tirith perhaps. You could probably do the same fricking thing there that you did at Hornburg. Just block them in, they are against a mountain and can only sally out in one direction. Why siege at all?
I feel like rewatching Fellowship everytime I see a LOTR thread. Has to be one of the best movies ever made.
Hurry the Hobbits!
Did Tolkien ever confirm the length and girth of Gandalf's wiener?
The appendices hint that it's 7 inches soft but no other details
>everyone is shocked that the dwarves are all dead
>bodies look like they're a hundred years old
what the frick? don't dwarves trade? they didn't have anyone visit in that fricking long?
this was one of the dumbest changes in the movie, it made no sense
There was no Balrog in Moria. Or mattresses.
That's been deBOONKED by fact-checkers.
SOUL
Could Tom Bombadil say the N word if compelled to?
He would say it of his own free will
Why didn't Gandalf just ask the watcher in the water for help? He talks to animals.
Not an animal.
It's an octopus. Feed it some seaweed or whatever it is they eat.
What if the Watcher got all the rings and wore them on all its tentacles? It could surely take over all of Middle Earth!
It eats exclusively Balrog droppings
honest question: if the dwarves never left their mines (which is why Gimli didn’t know Moria was destroyed), what do the dwarves eat?
it feels unreasonable that an entire city was razed and no one in surrounding cities knew about it
Balrogs
They did know it was destroyed. MORIA IS NOT ITS NAME. Moria means The Black Pit and they called it that after it was destroyed and infested with orcs. The city's name was Dwarrowdelf or Khazad-dum.
Why were the dwarves such cucks in LOTR compared to The Hobbit? Is there a lore reason why they never fought the orcs with men and elves?
Calamari? More like Calamoria