Let's discuss
What makes a movie into a western? When does a movie not set in the old west turn into a western?
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Let's discuss. What makes a movie into a western? When does a movie not set in the old west turn into a western?
When there's a desert and people wear cowboy hats and use colts.
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simple yet true
If there are cowboys and indians it's a western
>blocks your path
I'm yet to see a western with Indians, and I've seen 30+
>When does a movie not set in the old west turn into a western?
When the mc is cool and independent and doesn't say much, and his/her weapon of choice is a handgun
Cool as frick entrance scene
Ennio Morricone-inspired music
Ebin duel at the end
It's harder to find one with cowboys. I can think of plenty of indian movies made in the last 30 years, but I'm struggling to think of more than 5 with a cow.
That is true, too
Power of the Dog would be one, right?
If it's set in a desert state I guess and there's some crime and guns and a cowboy type character.
>No Country For Old Men
>Hell Or High Water
>Last Man Standing
nah, jeremiah johnson is a western
Yeah but that's set in the old west...
OP is literally asking when a movie that isn't set in the old west becomes a western.
>ncfom
Has to take place before 1920, IE Waytt Earps lifetime
>What makes a movie into a western?
When its set in the American west cira 1800's
>When does a movie not set in the old west turn into a western
It doesn't, it only parody's it
dubs and op dies for making a moronic thread
>"parody's"
>calls someone else moronic
It's a western when Akira Kurisawa does it first.
western isn't a genre, it's a setting.
Good guy
Bad guy
Ugly guy
Simple as
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For historical context, the Old West ended in 1912 with the statehood of Arizona. This was the last territory of the US in the southwest to become a state, marking the end of an era that began with the teritorial acquisitions from the Mexican-American War in 1849. Anything set after this year isn't a western. They may have themes, concepts, and costumes similar to it but 1912 should be considered the demarcation line for westerns.
If the director has doubts.
The real question is when is a movie a western and when is it a spaghetti western / spaghetti western inspired
Spaghetti westerns are european produced westerns shot in Spain/Italy.
When it passes the western vibe check
Cowboys
clear defined good and bad (doesnt mean the MC has to be the good guy just that Morals arent grey)
The Civilized man vs the Free wild one themees
at least one tense bar scene (it doesn't have to escalate into a fight but it helps)
Common elements like
>violence
>frontier setting
>general lawlessness
>lawmen vs outlaws
>bounty/treasure hunting
>land barons exploiting land/workers
etc.
These elements can fit across different settings and timeframes
So No Country For Old Men can be considered a western to a point, because it has lawmen hunting outlaws hunting a normal man hunting treasure, a sense of lawlessness and frontierness, and lots of violence
Hell or High Water has land barons exploiting the protagonist's family, so the protagonist outlaws with his brother to rob banks and is pursued by lawmen and a posse
And so on
Any good films about US cavalry fighting Indians or bandits? Preferrably in color and without too much of romance.
Maybe Hostiles, iirc this is the setup
>indians massacre homestead, leave only wife alive
>disillusioned cavalry officer gets tasked with transporting her to distant family across the frontier
>a few gunfights along the way
>no outright romance
>some "we are the real bad guys"
>some "old white rich men are evil"
But it was okay
>Walter Hill said in an interview that "every film I've done has been a Western", and elaborated in another that "the Western is ultimately a stripped down moral universe that is, whatever the dramatic problems are, beyond the normal avenues of social control and social alleviation of the problem, and I like to do that even within contemporary stories"
Was he right?
OP said no youtube essay opinions
Is Walter Hill a youtuber? Is OP straight?
Youtube opinions are a genre that don't have to be set in a youtube video, just like westerns don't have to be in the wild west.
While I can see where you're coming from, I would just call it a pseud opinion without calling it youtube, and disagree with it even if I can see the point Hill is making. In the end, Blazing Saddles is a western and The Driver or The Warriors are not.
The dualty of trips
>What makes a movie into a western?
when it is set in the old west
>When does a movie not set in the old west turn into a western?
it doesnt