>let's not go through the mines of Moria, guys
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>Let's not go through the trannies in the girls bathroom, everyone
Your comment doesn't even make sense. Think BEFORE you post. Read what you've written out loud to yourself BEFORE hitting submit.
>Son! What are you mumblin' about down there?!
>N-nothing, dad.
>troony are you ok?
>Are you ok?
>Are you ok troony?!
>MINE??
must have been weird constantly acting like he's short when he's the tallest one on the set
>acting short
How does one do this?
Being full of impotent rage
SALTED PORK YOU SAY
Denethor did nothing wrong
he gave his boy no credit
It's not Denethor's fault Boromir was a chadbeast
He forgot he was just a steward and acted like a king. That was pretty wrong. Not to mention how he treated faramir and how he burned himself alive over misunderstanding that corpses dont breathe. The hick midget was even able to tell that he was still alive,
MORIA WAS AN INSIDE JOB, MISCELLANEOUS SOUNDS DON'T WAKE BALROGS, ELVES DID MORIA, DENETHOR DID NOTHING WRONG, I HATE ONGOLIANTH I HATE ONGOLIANTH
Let us not go under the mountain, let us go over it! Let us take the pass of Caradhras!
>I CAN JOG FOR MILES
why didnt gandalf mention they all dead and a guant balrog demon waiting for them? i think frodo would have chose differently if he told them about THE GIANT FRICKING HELLSPAWN DEMON
Gandalf knew something was amiss, and he knew the dwarves awakening the balrog was a possibility, but he didn't know the details for certain so there was no point in scaring everyone. Especially since they didn't have a viable alternative.
In the movie, Gandalf knows. Which makes him look like a jackass for not telling.
No sense in worrying everyone, especially the hobbits. If they don't meet the Balrog, all good. If they do meet the Balrog, the plan amounts to run like hell and hope for the best, and you don't need to be told about it in advance.
They made it through 99% of Moria with literally no problems. It was only dumbass Pippin causing an issue when they're within spitting distance of the exit.
>fool of a Took drops a big dwarf armored skelly down a well making lots of noise that echoes and draws attention
So are there like roaming warbands of goblins in the mines that just stay absolutely quiet and still until they hear noise?
What did the balrog do all day down there
What was the balrog's tax policy?
Fire
Watched Seinfeld reruns
lol
>RÊÊÊÊÊ
you can't stop me from smiling
He was sleeping until the Dagor Dagorath, waiting for his master's return but the greedy dwarves woke him up
It was night.
Maybe they just knew that it was from an area none of their guys were in? Like
>all goblins stay below level 50
>wtf some armor just fell down a shaft from level 10! Intruders must be there!
In a decaying old mine, shit would randomly fall quite often. Even that body was somehow precariously teetering on a ledge for long enough to become a mummified skeleton. They were just unlucky.
NOT. A. MINE.
Thanks. I was rewatching Fellowship recently and this legit bothered me, sorry for Georgemaxxing and being a quibbling fat nerd frick but I really do think it was odd, for the reasons mentioned here:
Like it wasn't "oh shit what was that? Krasghrangash, go investigate and report back" they brought out a cave troll ready to start some shit. I don't know. The only explanation I can think of is that this was all part of Saruman's keikaku, since he forced them down from the mountain it seemed like he was banking on them taking the path through Moria, and he gave the goblins forewarning through his magic to be on high alert.
It was their nap time
The orcs know about the Balrog and are probably on guard as well. They might have released a sigh of relief when they realized it was just a bunch of hobos.
Maybe Gandalf shouldn't have called Pippin a Black person at the top of his lungs and given the game up. Gandalf the wise indeed.
More like gandalf the fool
Rude!
Yet they start banging on a bunch of drums?
No, Moria is just enormous enough that you have good odds of not encountering anyone when going through it, as long as you don't attract attention.
Gollum had been living in Moria before the Fellowship got there. The goblins knew he was around, they’d been hunting for him because he’d stolen supplies and probably ate some goblins so they were alert for any disturbances.
hundreds of goblins were laying in wait for gollum? i dont think so
>laying in wait
They live there bro
Wrong. Gollum was living in the caverns beneath the northern Misty Mountains, nowhere near Moria.
They likely didn't even know about it. Gandalf is the only one with anything but anecdotal knowledge of that door.
I always took it in the same line as when Gandalf mentioned deep sea life. It's just interesting. Not everything needs to be picked apart with tweezers.
you now remember the goblins didnt investigate the collapse of the entrance
To be fair it is implied that the part of the mine where they eventually encounter the orcs is far from that entrance, which is also implied to be hard to find and undisturbed for years with all the dry old skellies lying around there.
a million tons of rock fell. goblins would have felt it miles away.
Rocks fall constantly on mountains
They travelled for more than a week through Moria. Could you hear an avalanche a week's travel away?
Entrance 7 didnt collapse itself
Did he do that in the books?
They literally discussed Durin's bane as the number one concern of going in there
Black person sneed.
because Gandalf isnt a fricking pussy like you and needed the street cred of 1v1'ing a balrog
>dies like a hero, everyone is sad
>returns few moments later as if nothing ever happened
I think Gandalf thought they could sneak through the mines even if there were goblins and a balrog
and he might have been right in Pippin hadn't ruined everything with his stupidity
I wouldn't have asked anything.
Lost
dwarf fortress in a nutshell
Just don't dig that deep. It's not hard.
>but muh adamantine
If you have a bunch of legendary fighters and put them in steel or bronze armor they are literally just as effective.
>two giant ears growing out of his back
>Dwarves aren't children of Eru
>Somehow they cause shit like this
What a surprise amirite?
Dwarves weren't included in the song of the Ainur, so it's amazing the world isn't tearing at the seams from their cancerous presence fricking with fate of all things. Having the dwarves emerge after the elves is only a hotfix solution, who fricking knows what other bugs popped up.
I think Dwarves as well as Hobbits will fade out during the 4th age and basically Eru did maths and accepted the differences that dwarves would account for between 1st age and 5th
Do you think the situation of the Ents where their women slowly stop being born is Eru's test run for how he's gonna make the races besides Man fade away? It's probably the most humane way of genociding a race, but boy oh boy is it a long depressing process for the lonely men who have to resign themselves to never finding a mate.
XD
>Be Denethor
>Wage war against a literal fallen angel and his empire
>Successfully fight him to a standstill
>No other kingdoms help, elves send thoughts and prayers, dwarves are playing minecraft
>Learn to only rely on Gondor's own strength
>Wear chainmail under clothes to protect against assassins and remind myself of war
>Learn how to use a palantir, be strong willed enough to contest Sauron's will through it
>Wife dies
>Enemy hordes are literally endless, begin to slowly lose ground
>Favorite elder son dies
>A wizard is grooming a pretender to usurp the throne of Gondor behind my back
>Eat small tomato
>Enemy hordes are at the gate
>No help in sight
>The city is 99.9% fallen
>Last son dies
>Go mad from despair
And to top it off
>be portrayed with extra fingers by dumbass AI
That's just his uhhh thinkie finger
It helps him think. That's why he's so wise.
it's not AI. my autistic cousin made it. he is still working on getting the hands right. he also told me to tell you that you are a limp wristed homosexual
Well good for him if that's true, I also have a cousin who draws (autism status unconfirmed). But if he's open to advice, you gotta shave one or two fingers.
I don't think either of these tards read the green text because otherwise they would've mentioned the insanely funny joke that's in there. Or maybe their sense of humor is shit
anyway, kek to you
I caught the tomato I just wasnt gonna post "HOLY SHIT THE TOMATO XD I DIED NO CAP"
yea the movies did him kinda dirty, he was mostly a desperate man
book denethor knew faramir was alive the whole time
if anything, movie denethor comes across as incompetent rather than insanely spiteful
ai generated trash
Let us go through the Mines of Moria
>Don't be a b***h, Boromir
It's a very silly place.
>I am Saruman the Wise, Saruman Ring-maker, Saruman of Many Colours!'
>I looked then and saw that his robes, which had seemed white, were not so, but were woven of all colours, and if he moved they shimmered and changed hue so that the eye was bewildered.
>I liked white better,' I said.
>White!' he sneered. 'It serves as a beginning. White cloth may be dyed. The white page can be overwritten. White skin can be burnt; and the white light can be broken.'
>'In which case it is no longer white,' said I. 'And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.' - Gandalf”
>'And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.'
>literally all modern science, and even most of ancient science, was specifically based on breaking stuff to find out what it is and how it works
Based caveman Gandalf
So it’s the path of intelligence, and not wisdom as he said? Ok.
Oh my science, have some reddit gold on me for your funkos collection
>My knowledge of science is from pop culture
Headbutt the nearest moving vehicle.
Cool it with the racism, Gandalf
>troony rainbow = evil
What did Tolkien mean by this?
>Saruman Ring-maker
This was some serious cope by him. He did make a ring that did absolutely nothing.
What ring did Saruman make? I somehow missed or forgot about this despite multiple reads it seems. I know in the appendices Aragorn goes to reclaim Orthanc and brings in Gimli to get past a certain door, revealing some ancient relic, but nothing Saruman made.
>What ring did Saruman make?
A cheap knock off "ring of power" that had no more power than the ring you'd get in a crackerjack box. It didn't do anything. It was just a fricking ring.
That must've been awkward. His orcs probably laugh at him behind his back.
I'm actually disappointed by it. I would have expected better from a disciple of Aule. It's absolutely pathetic. It seems that the only real power that Saruman had was that of his voice. Outside of that, Gandalf seemed to have more magic than Saruman ever did.
But wait didn't he breed Uruk-hai and create gunpowder?
That's not even magic.
Define "magic"
Don't play dumb, you know what magic is.
The elves didn't and I'd bet a pouch of pipe weed that most of them were smarter than you
Something supernatural that could not have been done by literally anyone. Breeding Uruks isn't exactly complicated.
>supernatural
I am an elf and what is this
>super natural
>very normal
By our standards maybe. By the standards of the Third Age, in the co text of his powers?
He learnt all of that from Sauron, who had made it centuries before, as well as steamships and guns:
>The teaching of Sauron has led to the invention of ships of metal that cross the seas without sails...and to missiles that pass with a noise like thunder to strike their targets many miles away.” -History of Middle-earth 5, The Númenórean chapters, Chapter IV
At Minas Tirith:
>Now ever and anon there was a red flash, and slowly through the heavy air dull rumbles could be heard.
>‘They have taken the wall!’ men cried. ‘They are blasting breaches in it. They are coming!’
Saruman did perfect uruks though. As a side note, my headcanon is that Sauron oversaw the creation of the orcs using the power of Morgoth because Morgoth was too consumed with tardrage to actually get anything productive done.
His Uruks were better trained, but not of a better breed necessarily. I wrote above that Ugluk carried Isengard on his shoulders, and I mean it; Everyone else there was an incompetent moron, including Saruman. Ugluk respects him, but bemoans the incompetence and lack of training of the orcs that join his party. The fighting Uruk-hai are better than the snaga orcs genetically and in training, but they have no apparent physical edge over Mordor's Uruks.
I thought they were explicitly described as larger than Mordor broods but I cant recall the quote. Am I just getting old
They were, but the Mordor patrol sent to meet them did not seem to have black Uruks in it. There were even described "strong Northerners" (or something to that effect), i.e. strong goblins from Moria, who kept pace with the Isengarders.
Now, I know that's not infeasible due to a quote I remember better, about a goblin of Moria (assumedly driven out of the northish Grey mountains-ish area after the events of the Hobbit?) being described as huge, yet not exceeding the size of a man.
>His Uruks were better trained, but not of a better breed necessarily
They were literally impervious to sunlight which was the orcs' biggest detriment as a fighting force. How in the frick does that not qualify being a 'better breed'?
They were snobby and ate flesh without seasonings
Here is the extract from the books. Ugluk attributes their inability to run in sunlight to training. he might be wrong, they might just not be built for it, but that's what he thinks:
‘But what are we going to do at sunrise?’ said some of the Northerners.
‘Go on running,’ said Uglúk. ‘What do you think? Sit on the grass and wait for the Whiteskins to join the picnic?’
‘But we can’t run in the sunlight.’
‘You’ll run with me behind you,’ said Uglúk. ‘Run! Or you’ll never see your beloved holes again. By the White Hand! What’s the use of sending out mountain-maggots on a trip, only half trained. Run, curse you! Run while night lasts!
No problem. Though I think even Sauron's Uruks might struggle in sunlight unless especially trained for it.
ignore this
I've just clocked that you're talking about the difference between Saruman's uruks and Sauron's uruks, not between uruk's and orcs. Forgive me, I slept three hours last night and it's left me all moronic.
That just sounds so random to me. I've memorized insane volumes of useless Tolkien lore and this somehow randomly escaped my notice. I am gonna look this up and crack out my books.
Not canon. It might have slightly amped his Voice or something
>This was some serious cope by him. He did make a ring that did absolutely nothing.
Not really
>Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and long before he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled ruler of Middle-earth
If he had had time he would eventually being able to make a great ring that would rival saurons', the movies made him seem like he was sauron's minions but he was just buying time. Sauron also didn't knew the istari's real purpose. He thought they were just fellow maiar that got bored from valinor and went to middlw earth to dominate men, and he thought gandalf was just an idiot like his cousin radagast
It's true you don't see many trans women. And in fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance, that they are often mistaken for men.
>And this in turn has given rise to the belief that there are no Dwarf-women, and that some Dwarves just turn their penis into holes between their legs! Which is, of course, ridiculous.
>it's the penises
jej
if you don't feel bad for Faramir you were an only child
i dont feel bad for him because im a boromir-chad
I don't feel bad for faramir because I was an elder sibling who mercilessly bullied my younger brother. Now he's a stunted manchild with trauma while I've realized my mistakes through deep introspection and become a lot more considerate of others. Faramir was lucky to have such a kind chad brother like Boromir in his corner his whole life.
why didnt they just get giant eagles and fly over moria
Because they were trying to be noticed by no one and not noticed by literally absolutely everyone for miles and miles
But Saruman knew exactly where they were the while time
He literally did not. Jackson films added the Saru-stalking in the prelude to their decision to let us go through the Mines of Moria
I know it's a meme but there is always a good answer
Because Sauron has an air force too.
No, he didn't. Especially not at that point in time.
He did but let’s assume not. Were do they dismount to sneak in? They don’t know about Shelobs tunnel so they are quite fricked.
Let them land at my doom. Sure but they are spotted on the way in and greated by an ocean of orcs and the Nazgûl. How do they reach the lava? Remember the temptation of the ring? Does that get easier or harder in the presence of Sauron and his Nazgûl? That’s right it gets even harder.
The eagle gamble risks everything for an even lesser chance of success than otherwise. Stealth is a major factor just like in the hobbit. Think about it. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Gandalf rolls with having the halflings carry those rings? He knows how quiet hobbits can be and that their nature makes them extra resilient to the ring. He’s literally reusing the strat he used with Bilbo and it worked again partially because the enemy is completely dumbfounded by hobbits and know basically frick all about.
Frick the eagles.
Sauron used soviet Palantir AA systems which were state of the earth weapons even with goblins running it.
Where's the amogus?
what is the eagles tax policy?
They're not a fricking Uber service
A glimpse into what it would have been if it is made today.
They are utterly shameless about this shit now, aren't they?
Seriously, what is wrong with those people that it never seems weird to them that you have a fantasy setting with limited travel possibilities and even the most remote small, inbreeding, shithole village has a demographic more diverse than California.
they even managed to blackwash smaug
He was flown to middle earth on a slave eagle
>They are utterly shameless about this shit now, aren't they?
>Seriously, what is wrong with those people
this is wizards of the coasts I don't know why you're acting all surprised for
Wait, the blue wizards hanging around coasts of the Sea of Rhûn? I'm lost here
Two levels of geek here, very nice
>they were further east m8
That's part of the incomprehensibly of the post. So what do they have to do with Blaragorn?
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Shieeeeeet777
"Yo Boromir that's gay as frick i told you i'm not your homie, homie"
Reminder that Arwen is depicted as white in this batch.
Grim.
>you become the monarch
what even is this shit? this is why i only play with my boomer dad and his siblings, too much shit gets added to this game
Mtg has all kinds of quirky shit nowadays to make it "exciting". Most people I know hate it and play normally for the most part.
Return of the Kang
the israelite must be wiped from the face of the earth.
i said in a thread a while back, shit like black Aragorn makes me feel terrible for all the people who are going to eat shit at historic velocities, who quite literally have nothing to do with culture items. Stuff like black Aragorn sounds petty and small until it's a drop in a giant bucket of "frick this" and everyone has lost sight of how little some of the shit was and how easy it would have been to simply... not do those things and keep enough space in the bucket
>In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world
based writers confirming white replacement
>Let us go through the Cave of Nutty Putty
spelunking is a mental illness
Why didn't they hose him with olive oil and turn him 180 degrees so he could bend his knees and not break his legs?
too tight
I'd rathe have my legs broken than left to die upside down in a cave.
The shock might have killed him; otherwise they would have done that
>give him a breathing tube
>fill with water so he's buoyant
>lift them put
just did what an entire emergency response crew, firefighters and police couldn't figure out
For me it's the 1980's Eowyn.
Anime waifu
What if someone literal who found the Ring and willingly brought it to Sauron? Would he reward the guy or just murk him afterwards?
Thats a good question. Also what makes Sauron evil? What did he do that was so wrong?
his armor was spiky so people got hurted when they hugged him so they didnt want to hug him anymore and he got sad from it and then angry
He's ruining Eru Illuvatar's song by trying to sing over it.
That was morgoth you secondary.
Pretty sure that's Yōko Ono
that was melkor dingus
He helped marr Arda.
He's been a vicious c**t and a follower of Middle-earth Satan since the begging of the world.
>He corrupted and heavily contributed to the destruction of Numenor
>He launched multiple genocidal campaigns against the peoples of Middle Earth
Also something with werewolves, but Tolkien never really touches on it too much.
Numenor was already corrupt and he didn't genocide anyone
Only because targeted parties got together and stopped him lol.
Also you can say that the Numenorians were already vulnerable to corrupt thoughts but they were 1 people until he came and buttered up the king's council. Suddenly there were REEEmenorians vs Loyalnorians in a struggle culminating in an outright physical revolt against God. He took them by their natural selfishness and fear until they crossed a line and there's no telling when/if Numenorians would have "fallen" as they did otherwise.
probably got too greedy with the werewolf bussy
He's evil because... well he just is, okay?!
Sauron was absolutely obsessed with order. Morgoth used this against him by promising to bring true order to the world and stating that he alone had the strength and will to do it. By the time Sauron realized he got got it was too late and he went all in. It's interesting to note that there was a time when Sauron had true remorse for his actions and tried to surrender to Eonwe, the herald of Manwe, but Eonwe told him that he didn't have the authority to pardon him and he had to appeal to the Valar directly but Sauron was too b***h made for that and ran eastward instead.
A normal person would be corrupted by the ring so it really comes down to whether Sauron sees a use for them. He let Gollum go.
>use for them.
>the Bi chad stride
I don't get it
Sauron is Lawful Evil, so he'd probably give you a finder's fee for being a loyal servant and sent you packing.
No one who had it would would willingly give it up.
Sauron would probably reward you handsomely with land and titles and riches and authority under him as the lord of somewhere not very important to him.
This option was actually discussed in the books. Sauron was a jealous, vain, arrogant, narcissistic tyrant. Gratitude was an altogether foreign concept for him. He would simply torture you to death for daring to lay your hands on his treasure. But seeing the ring on his hand would be the greatest torment because by that you'd be completely enslaved by the thing. No human would willingly even consider giving it back though, such is its power.
I must've forgotten that part.
Wait, wait, the Mouth of Sauron tho was promised titles and dominion over lands West of the Anduin
How do you do that thougheverbeit?
You walk to Mordor and convince every orcs or whatever to not murder you?
Fly his banner maybe?
You put in on and order a nazgul?
>put the ring on
>REEEEEEEEEEEE
>Nine Ringwraiths charge in
>I-I-I was g-g-going to give it back I swear!
Kek.
'tis a silly place
what are the cthulu like creatures under moria that gandalf mentions
will they die when sauron dies or will they one day erupt from the ground
calm my nerves bros
we will never know
The twitter ex-employees
it doesn't matter
>Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day
"The world is gnawed" and the fact that the balrog and Gandalf escape through their tunnels gives an indication that they are immense rock (no soil at that depth) eating burrowing creatures. Worms? Mole rats?
"Sauron knows them not, they are older than he". They cannot be older than Sauron in an unqualified sense, since he existed before the Earth, and one of the most potent maia. They are probably just mortal beasts older than his incarnation. But they are obviously separate from his power. Their fate is separate from his.
"I will bring no report..." This is not ominous to me, it tells me that they are no threat. He did the same with the balrog. He knew it was there, knew it was powerful, but didn't bring it up until it was necessary.
If they are of the same race as the Watcher, the Hobbit gives some credence to this, then they are potent, but not at all approaching the strength of Shelob, much less the balrog. They no doubt will 'fade out' with the rest of the magic and powers of the world.
>They cannot be older than Sauron
Are you arguing with Tolkien on his own lore?
I'm arguing about the meaning of 'oldest'. Age is a measure mostly used in Ea. Contrast the timeless halls. Sauron existed before Arda. So unless these creatures are also Ainur then they must necessarily be younger as we understand it. remember that Tom Bombadil reckoned himself the oldest, but he was really the oldest thing on Earth, not the oldest in all creation.
Discord of Melkor or suchlike. A corruption of creation, or a sub-creation, but not a separate creation. Just as orcs are a warped form of elves. As much as I would like it, Tolkien was an inoperable Christcuck and would not allow that anything whatsoever was made but by Eru, directly or indirectly.
>would not allow that anything whatsoever was made but by Eru, directly or indirectly.
Literally Ungoliant
>Ungoliant voidborn
Reddit meme
Atheists are cringe as well. Tolkein wasn't as bad as Lewis for muh Jesus, but God sweeping gollum's legs at mount doom was a bit out there, amongst other things, like sending Gandalf back, but not then using Gandalf as a one man army against Mordor whilst repeatedly resurrecting him.
Tolkien was Lovecraft tier, here he is describing orcs:
>“squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.”
>deep sea life
Where's that? I agree overall, it's just flavour and worldbuilding and, whilst interesting, having greater threats than Sauron does not fit the story at all, nor the trend of declining power in the world and diminishment of magic.
>what I don't like or understand is plebbit
You're welcome to go back there since you apparently know about "their" theories.
>muh Jesus
Indeed, luv me Jesus too like Tolkien did.
>but God sweeping gollum's legs at mount doom was a bit out there, amongst other things, like sending Gandalf back, but not then using Gandalf as a one man army against Mordor whilst repeatedly resurrecting him
It's congruent with how divine intervention works in Tolkien, there's no telling when the gods choose to intervene or not, just like there's no detailed checklist of magical powers and extensive genesis of evil beasts.
Of course, but to any non-Abrahamic type it makes for an outrageous story to have an almighty god firmly on one side, demonstrate his powers in full, enough to determine the outcome of the war, but for our protagonists to remain hard pressed. Why not clear Caradhas of snow, or blow Sauron's cloud from above Pelennor? It does diminish the efforts of the heroes and threat of the foe. It's not like some Greek myth, in which one god helps one party and some other god another.
Thank God Tolkien was a Christian and capable of telling a coherent story instead of an atheist redditauthor inserting their oc donut steel epic eldritch creatures.
It's a reference to the world-tree from Norse mythology. There's a dragon in the center of the earth who gnaws at the roots of the tree and will eventually kill it.
I bet that comes around to the ebin final showdown at the end of the last age, Dagar Verïbadáss
The real question is which shitlord Ainur sang them into existence?
Maybe the hunter or the sea dude? I have the impression that they sung out of inspiration given to them directly be Eru as a part of their creation. Music was their very first experience and they were babies with no independent/external experience in terms of their development. Only Melkor out of all of them "ventured off" (as far as physical space could be said to exist) or spent "time" (insofar as time could be said to exist) and thus developed an increased and more highly independent personality & will earlier than other valar did. I use very soft and indefinite language here because I think this happened to all valar but not in the same ways or at the same times, and they all had the benefit of observing Melkors humiliation in failing to wreck the music in what was essentially their 2nd or 3rd distinct experiences from birth.
>the hunter or the sea dude
Oromë and Ulmo? Why would they sing dark creatures into existence? I reckon it's probably all of Melkor's doing, not just singing bad shit into existence but also corrupting others that were good or neutral. I mean a small spider is nothing until you make it the size of a dog and then give it insatiable hunger.
Good point, tho I was thinking of great beasts as a neutral force, a majestic hunting prize, a creature to show the power of the sea, etc. But youre right, them b***hes is described rather directly as dark which implies evil by default in the context of based Tolkien's style.
It pissed me off when Faramir took the ring from Frodo and then gave it back, it undermined the whole idea of the ring
lets go thru da minez
UGHHHHHHH DO WE HAVE TOO!!!?????? FUKC
why didnt they just drive by car
The war of the rings disrupted the petrol supply chain causing gas price to soar, they simply couldn't afford it
The roads are in a really bad state. It would take longer than walking.
There's only one car in the whole trilogy, they were clearly very rare.
Nobody in Middle Earth drives. Too much traffic.
Why didn't they just ride there on BMX bikes? Surely the elves or dwarfs have invented the bicycle by now?
Ring would have tempted the car.
Roads are fricked due to an absence of a King in Gondor for so long. Stewards don't have the brass to create tax policy.
oh look dude i don't fricking know maybe cars weren't around then idk stop with the childish chides you wee poof
Why didn't Harry Potter help them?
He’s in school
HAAAAA SCARED YOU IN AN OTHERWISE RELAXING SCENE homosexual
Eh, it's in the book
>reading Fellowship of the Ring
>long chapter where everyone's just talking about wanting to go home and shit
>starting to fall asleep
>turn page and read "Bilbo screams and does a really scare face right at the camera"
>jolt awake and ready to continue reading
Bravo Tolkien
I thought the rivendell chapters were pretty interesting
Memes aside this is such a good scene
>Frodo nearly died from getting stabbed because of the ring Bilbo left him without knowing how serious it was
>now he's leaving on a quest that someone with Bilbo's life experience must know may kill him and will certainly destroy his youthful innocence
>Bilbo gives him his prized mithril shirt as protection, and his sword to potentially kill with, symbolically passing responsibility on to his nephew
>Bilbo regrets his decision to leave Frodo the ring, wishes he could do it himself to protect him
>ring seizes on this and gollums him
>Bilbo breaks down, horrified by all the above and the strength of the hold this evil thing has on him, apologises to Frodo for getting him into this, knowing there's nothing more he can do for him
What the frick is even the point of going to restaurant for sashimi? Just buy your own fish and eat it raw
wrong thread homosexual
>WE MUST MAKE FOR THE GAP OF ROHAN
Personally, I prefer getting my winter gear at…well, not The Gap.
>Gandalf fights the Balrog because it's badass
>oh shit Gandalf died while doing it
>Oh, he uh, came back to life! Now he's Gandalf the White!
So Gandalf just can't die? Why did he even take Frodo with him? He could have just walked into Mt. Doom and thrown the stupid ring in himself.
Gandalf was an angel who was only able to come back so quickly because god himself intervened. And even then he would get corrupted by the ring.
Did they know that Gandalf was not really an old man? They accepted pretty quickly that he was able to come back to life. Was that just a normal thing?
Gandalf just convinced them it was Mandalf who died.
Yes they knew. Legolas and Aragorn most certainly did.
>They accepted pretty quickly that he was able to come back to life
>I admit, this man looks a lot like Gandalf, and talks and behaves like Gandalf, but cannot truly be Gandalf, because I don't believe in resurrection. The burden of proof is on him
Missed opportunity for voice/persuasion power white-hand hijinks
Everyone knew, with various degrees of clarity. All elves know just by looking at him. Gimli would certainly be aware, he was just barely excluded from the Lonely Mountain trip. Only the hobbits are clueless, but even they are suspicious of how long he's been showing up with fireworks and causing trouble.
Let us go to the lonely mountain and literally confront a dragon- wait, let YOU, I gotta dip lol gandalf.jpg
>let me make my ultimate immortal power device that I will place my soul in out of plain gold instead of indestructible Mithril
Was Sauron moronic?
Nothing could destroy it except the fires of mt doom, and no one could willingly throw it in there. It was the perfect plan.
Gold is some of the softest metal there is. You could probably cut through it with a steak knife given enough time.
Mithril melts, how the frick do you think they make things out of it in the first place? Galadriel's ring is literally mithril.
How come Elrond didn't push Isildur into the lava?
Because Isildur is a Numenorean hyperchad, he'd have unironically folded Elrond in half without much effort.
Movie only. Blame Hackson.
>We cannot say that there 'must' be elsewhere in Eä other solar systems 'like' Arda....Eru can no doubt bring to pass more than one. Not everything is adumbrated in the Ainulindalë; or the Ainulindalë may have a wider reference than we knew: other dramas like in kind if different in process and result, may have gone on in Eä, or may yet go on.'
She's either a Maia or a space alien. It contradicts all lore to suggest an ultimate non-eru origin.
Yes. People who watch the film get the impression that he was different from Sauron in some respect, or had different abilities, but the books make it clear that he was an inferior in every way. His tower was smaller, his ring impotent, his armies insignificant, his servants fewer and weaker. Isengard was carried by Ugluk and his crack squad. Everyone else was astonishingly incompetent.
You want help from eagles? I can get you an eagle.
He used all his lives on that series
>the shitposters delved too greedily and too deep
oh fuc
What happens here and why didn't the West call for aid from them?
>What happens here and why didn't the West call for aid from them?
Nobody in the West speaks ching chong.
That's where the two Blue Wizards went and they lost their way same as Radaghast and Saruman. The peoples there turned to the service of Sauron and sent their armies to fight for him plus their giant Oliphaunts
Isn't that just some fan map? I think Tolkien never drew the eastside of Arda
Looks like an angry, side-glancing goblin with a ponytail and glasses. She cute.
What do you guys think orcs are? Didn't Tolkien imply at one point that they may be rape babies of elves, but didn't include it in canon because it was too fricked up? Maybe I'm thinking of goblins or uruks instead.
>What do you guys think orcs are?
Chinese people:
>“squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.”
>Didn't Tolkien imply at one point that they may be rape babies of elves
They're twisted, corruptions of elves that Morgoth basically abducted immediately after the elves first awakened in middle earth. They're basically mutant elves, and are sentient.
Can they imagine an apple though?
Monkey Orcs!
Elves that have aids
Officially Tolkien never decided on a definite origin for them, he toyed a bit with the idea that orcs were originally elves and that's the version most people remember because it's the one implied in the Silmarillion, but he never actually felt happy enough with that explanation to confirm it. The Silmarillion was after all a work in progress.
The issue Tolkien had was that he was conflicted about orcs being created by Melkor/Morgoth (in the LOTR universe, only Eru/God can bestow true life, everyone else can at best make automatons that stop moving when they're not thinking about them), and canonizing a creature born irreedemably evil through its very race, denying them free will to change themselves.
What does Melkor think of Sauron after all his jobbings?
What does morgoth think of morgoth after all his jobbings?
>ROTK was released 20 years ago now
Where is the anon who said something about the Hobbit Holocaust?
>Looks like Roast Chicken is back on the menu, boys!
Is this from the Hobbit movies?
Why yes, ROP has pushed the quality overton to the point of my accepting the Hobbit film trilogy, how could you tell?
So it's from RoP? I don't get what you're trying to say here man.
It's from Hobbit I was talking to a hypothetical audience and I am sorry
Okay thanks. I forgive you fren have a Merry Christmas and New Years
i don't remember this from the Hobbit movies, but i could have just forgotten. I assumed it was from RoP
I don't remember Fell Beasts in the Hobbit either
there also seems to be a volcano in the shot? I don't remember that from the Hobbit either
>50 meters
>Using metric
Sort your life out.
What do you think he found
The epiglottis, which is a freaky thing to feel for the first time.
The dangly thing?
Nah, that's the uvula. The epiglottis is a flap of gristle that closes off your lungs when you swallow. Feels alien as frick to the touch.
>gristle
I reject this information but thank you
car keys, some loose change and an old cheeto
source
Bang your head to hell and back
Shaking the ground of Moria
So Moria has been destroyed for a long time now, and the Elves on either side of the mountain didn't care to establish a new safer route? Like they should still at least want to see each other regularly and not have to go down and around Isengard. Should there be a nice, safe easy route through some mountain pass protected by Eleven magic?
I forget what the bump limit is but this might be a good topic for the next thread. Afaik the only explanation is that it would count as secondhand involvement with or interaction with dwarves, and most elves are against that
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