What went so wrong that Minions defeated Pixar in the same way Shrek defeated Disney?
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What went so wrong that Minions defeated Pixar in the same way Shrek defeated Disney?
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Anon, just look at that poster.
Look at that ugly, washed-out, dust-filled shit and ask that question again.
What kid would look at a poster like that and say "Wow, I want to watch that?"
It's not the lesbian kiss. That part really doesn't even matter. It's the fact the movie was boring and not what anyone wanted out of a Buzz Lightyear film. Trying to pretend this tripe is what Andy was obsessed with is just insult to injury.
>Trying to pretend this tripe is what Andy was obsessed with is just insult to injury
I never got that. The movie doesn't look like a sci-fi flick from the 90s.
Well, the fact it was boring meant that for a SOLD FRICKING MONTH, the kiss was all they talked about. Did not shut the frick up about it. Every article from news sources Disney outright owns, every interview, everything was about this fricking kiss they didn't get rid of and was so progressive and amazing to the point that nobody even mentioned the villain once. Which was probably because the villain was really shit.
All the film proved is that lesbian kiss in a kids movie is not an effective marketing means, as it turns out the number of people who are itching to see it are pretty damn small.
The worst part was that, IIRC the kiss was only re-addded out of spite for the California Parental Rights Bill.
And then Disney lost their tax haven...
>It's not the lesbian kiss.
It's certainly part of the problem because even though it lasts all of 2 seconds it's all they talked about leading up to release. There's no one reason why this failed as much as there's every reason why it failed.
>it's all they talked about leading up to release
Lol, no it isn't.
It's all the anti-woke culture warriors talked about.
Chris Evans made one dismissive comment about the homophobic outrage over the lesbian kiss and that just generated more outrage.
Of course not the kiss, the whole lesbian thing felt shoehorned.
Minions built up a large fanbase of kids that are now old enough to go to the theater themselves. Toy Story doesn't come close to Despicable Me level popularity.
>Buzz's serious face
>Dreamwork face on the old hag
>Smug shiteating face on the brown man
>Souless dollface smile on the black girl
Gee I wonder what went wrong
Buzz has a very subtle Dreamworks face as well.
Something that really should be brought up about the kiss is that it also made blatant the fact that Disney only included it for pandering and then tried to run a marketing campaign around self-congratulatory tokenism that wouldn't really impact the film's primary markets.
Every character looks extremely ugly.
All characters are human. No aliens.
Colors are muted.
Make a good film, make a mediocre film... Just don't make it look fricking dull.
Kids will watch shit films. Kids won't watch boring films.
does this look like something a kid wants to watch?
Maybe an autismo like Andy but I doubt even real life autists liked this movie
See Toy Story 1. Andy wasn’t autistic.
>Have space sheriff
>He stays planetbound
Why
I love how this board points out all the reasons this movie failed and the lesbian kiss barely factors into it aside from the media saturation regarding its coverage.
Every single time the threads get deleted lol.
The lesbian kiss is the least important, but it probably played a role with how much news attention it got that families thought the movie was more political than it is.
But even just basing it off the poster, there's nothing that stands out about it that makes it look interesting.
>it aside from the media saturation regarding its coverage.
So, aside from the fact that it was the thing they talked about the most, and anyone with a 3 week memory or the ability to use the wayback machine can very easily see that's all they talked about, it barely factors in. The thing they marketed the most was so unimportant, guys!
So either that means that its not an effective means to get people to watch the movie or they had nothing else to focus on that would've done any better, or both. Showed them,
You see, I'm glad you replied to me on this topic because the movie is so full of nothing that you can realistically say "two lesbians kissed" is the most memorable thing in the whole movie. And that lasts less than a second.
The movie is that much of a dud, the other most important thing is a spoiler they tried to bury ever since it leaked.
So, both. It both was the only thing they used to market this shitheap and was not actually all that effective in doing so since it didn't work, but only because selling "hey kids space adventures is actually really bad you should stop trying so hard to go on space adventures" was pretty fricking impossible as it was and they had literally nothing better to market it with besides said one second kiss.
Glad we reached a consensus. Now we just need to question what would've happened if they hadn't had said kiss and maybe the movie might've gone through some slightly better changes if they had to, you know, actually push something besides baclash against the dude taking away their special privileges.
I really doubt they would have had that much of something to market the film, you look at the second trailer and they try to make it seem that much more action oriented but they basically include all action there is in the film in the trailer. At some point the kiss was already cut, they reincluded it.
>At some point the kiss was already cut, they reincluded it.
We know from the constant fricking barrage that the kiss was back in before the first trailer hit.
they were completely fricked then, the movie failed completely on its own merits, it's hard to find a more perfect failure.
groomer company
>Rough year from the mouse
>When Disney plus starts in many countries and brings all money back
>lose 20 million in indian viewers
Poos can't stand disney's shit
Christopher F. Rufo is a groomer himself though
Mediocre movies that get pushed straight to DVD, I mean streaming. Lightyear wasn't Buzz Lightyear of Star Command and not that interesting, except for Sox.
>except for Sox.
Please stop, that character was more generic sidekick kids will love more than the Minions themselves
These homies acting like throwing a cat character in any movie wouldn't automatically make it the best character in people's eyes.
Did anyone anywhere like any of the cats in Cats?
Cats, not weird anthro abominations.
The film arrangement of Skimbleshanks the Railway Cat is better than the show version, which only makes it more irritating that version of the song is never going get backported to the stage.
Live Tim Allen's reaction to the Zurg reveal.
Simple, it looks like ass, no kid wants to see this
Disney has bad rep right now too
Minions is colorful enough to get a kid excited enough to ask their parents to see it
Disney thought brand recognition could carry this with parents when in reality the only ones who would care about Buzz origin story are milenials who probably liked the cartoon more, if they adapted the bloody cartoon it could have worked but instead they went for boring colors and a dull script
>Let's make a movie about a cheesey space man but instead of making it a cheesy sci-fi movie full of colorful alien and 80s action we got bland 2020s movie that lacks any of the charm
We should have got a flash gordan-esk movie but didn't, simple as that.
>gordan-esk
*esque
Same difference.
One is illiteracy in action.
They need to go out for lunch again
They can't, because they fired all of the people that made Pixar what it was because of bullshit allegations.
It is kind of depressing seeing all of the names from the "Golden Age" of Pixar(that arguably ended with UP or Inside Out, depending on who you ask) are just... not there anymore, they're gone. Nobody who made Pixar great was involved in the last 3 movies.
> that arguably ended with UP or Inside Out, depending on who you ask
Definitely ended with “Inside Out” for me. Re-watched it a few days ago and I absolutely love the creativity in that movie.
I feel like that too, but honestly I understand why the movie before Toy Story 3 was the "End" for them. Toy Story 3 felt like the first step in cashing in, and by then it was over.
Up does not hold up on a rewatch.
I cannot disagree more, everyone raves about the first 20 minutes but goddamn if that adventure in the second half doesn't still work. It's got moments of downright brilliant creativity, a well established arc that is capped off properly, and a villain that sticks with it through the end and is completely understandable if crazy.
Honestly I wish more people talked about the dogfights than the depressing prologue.
The kid is terminally stupid and grating. The bird is worthless. There isn’t much to the villain and the dogs add nothing beyond easy jokes. Despite taking place in a rich jungle the film is mostly ugly rocks and brown colors everywhere like an early dreamworks film. The beginning is still really good but any scene that isn’t about the old man and his wife goes straight from western ghibli quality to ice age 2546194
>Despite taking place in a rich jungle the film is mostly ugly rocks and brown colors everywhere like an early dreamworks film.
Bullshit, that airship interior is perfect 50's Television kino.
And the kid stops being grating when they get to the jungle.
To each their own I guess. It was just a huge shock to see that I only remembered the good parts and buried everything else when I saw it again. It was the opposite of cars, where I only remembered the crappy opening scene and then saw it was pretty good on a rewatch once you get past that
Up could've been a 22 minute cartoon and it'd been a way better movie if we never found out what happened to the old man
Who got fired from Pixar?
The guy who made Pixar what it was died in a car crash in 2005. After that, there was nobody capable of tard rangling Lasseter
>tard wrangling lasseter
qrd?
No spoonfeeding.
You do realize Cars was made while he was still alive
Doug walker's dad was part of Pixar and died in a car accident due to gang related activities
Fact is the industry needed Tard Wranglers in general. Without them they just are unmanageable.
Minions have an audience.
So did Toy Story. Even that soulless shit Toy Story 4 made over a billion
It probably wasn't, but when parents hear news after news story about the progressiveness of two women kissing in this movie, parents probably just assumed it was a politically-charged movie and avoided it.
Even the most basic of googling for showtimes, just showtimes, makes you go through a row of stories about the kiss just to see said showtimes, it's not like they could've avoided it.
>what went wrong
It's literally right here in the picture.
They really shouldn't have opened with it. should have just copied the animated series or gone full pulp
>Forced diversity.
>All human characters.
>No aliens.
>Takes itself too seriously.
>Uninspiring robot designs.
diversity.
in this movie all humanity (supposedly" was on a ship that landed on an alien planet, it's not forced but justified because it says that it's a bunch of many people from earth
Because the majority of people who would cared about Toy Store are now adults who don't watch animated movies anymore.
because it wasn't pic related, or at lease use pic related as a working foundation.
because god forbid they would go for an actual space trotting adventure movie that's fun, because it'll take away their 4D chess move of making the lesbians getting a male kid and eventually get a grand daughter as a plot point to make buzz not want to go with future buzz's plan on preventing their colony from getting stranded in the first place, or else they'll get a hissy fit at the fist sign of anyone in their crew asking questions as to why they aren't making this movie fun.
Been rewatching it these past few days, late 90s kino cartoon.
It's remarkably good and it makes me hurt for the time I was too young and stupid to realize how shit D*sney is.
Only the best of 90s Disney could produce a product of that quality instead of virtue signaling about how brave and unique their latest slop is.
It was boring.
>making a big fricking deal out of a nothing lesbian scene
>Based on the early stars wars space action adventure fantasy show but now decided to be a pseudo-intellectual interstellar rip off movie
>Twist villain that once more goes "subverted your expectation didn't I"
>Worst "supporting characters"
>try it dammest to pull an "up" with all the artificial drama but none of them landing as it all suffocate from so much of it being there
>Nothing happens in the movie literally nothing
>color are very much wash out
>Literally stays in only one fricking planet
>"I got it from an alien abandon ship" excuse what the frick
it will be really awkward when it wins the oscar for best animation next year
nah, betting that honor will definitely go to Disney's "Strange Worlds" especially when they just promoted to having a teen boy getting a crush for another teen boy, in an early screening somewhere in France. no they didn't just dropped that info on some article, they legit showed a clip of ONLY that, and nothing about the story, or how the characters are like, eta. for the French people.
>for the French people
but they might actually like that kind of marketing
The first Pixar movie that looks ugly af, that color palette doesn’t attract children.
So, uh, is there a high quality rip of this? I heard there was one floating around Telegram.
I'll put it this way
The lesbian kiss could only get as much traction as it did because it was the one interesting detail to discuss in the mainstream regarding this film
Otherwise it was a movie no one asked for the way it was delivered. The results speak of Pixar going completely tone deaf with what most want out of a Buzz film.
I look forward to the inevitable "Sheriff," where Woody is a washed up New Yorker drama teacher who dreams of playing a cowboy on Broadway. Because you know, that's what you'd want out of a Woody film, right?
>and they race swap the ever living FRICK out of Jesse, because god forbid we keep a redhead a redhead
NO WAIT
>since it's a Broadway show, they cast a black wuhmen over a proper redhead lady because "............'
>redhead lady applauds and congratulates her
>INB4: they reuse pic related because Lightyear was a live action film to the toy story people, so it would look like she's an actress who got to be in this film too.
Her real name?
Zendaya
>Budget $200 million
>Box office $206.3 million
Bros....
They made over 6 million back...
Budget doesn't include marketing does it?
Minions were actually fun movie once again
>Minions and the entire Despicable franchise has NEVER been good starting with the hideous art style.
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>Stop pretending that illumination makes anything good.
SIng says hello. Both movies were fun, and has memorable cast
It looks incredibly generic and the cat obviously there just to sell merchandise didn't help me either. I hate to mention it but I didn't like either how they were using the "lesbian kiss" scene for marketing to purposely bait homophobics, also funny how that scene was made to make it easy to cut out of the film if they needed to.
You made me remember the "Disney's first lesbian" girl from onward where it was only a single line that mentioned her being gay
So weird that part of the premise is that they have to get off a world with living plant life they decided to not have the planet teeming with that life and have it be more lush and colorful. Was it budget restrictions? Not enough time to animate it all? Why make brown Jarhead looking Buzz Lightyear movie when so much of the thing is centered around how much of a pain in the ass the plant life is?
If only Pixar had their own cute little swarm of critters that would be at home in space.
Stop making sense anon, we need to remake more Christopher Nolan movies for kids.
Boy I sure want to see halfassed Tenet for kids.
I'm nostalgic for the 2000s when Disney made tons of flops and duds. Are those days coming back?
nostalgia cashgrab fatigue
Lightyear ruined the villain. Minions responded by showing the villain is the hero here
For me reading the spoilers, the biggest insult is making zurg a buzz from the future instead of an evil emperor and heing his own original character.
In a world with justice, we could have something more similar to star command.
It was a cartoon advertised to adults. That was all it needed to fail.
For fricks sake... Because they took a generic space movie that wanted to be interstellar... and changed the title to "Lightyear".
They already had a Buzz Lightyear show that would've inspired Andy to get a toy. It was Buzz Lightyear of Star Command. Disney is already on the reboot bandwagon. Nothing, and literally nothing, was stopping them from just hitting the restart button on the animated series and giving it the cinematic boost.
I honestly feel like if Pixar/Disney just stuck to the cartoon they made decades ago and kept the humor and campiness of a 90s/early 00's comedy, they'd strike gold.
Or at least silver.
Just not the septic tank of Lightyear
Yeah it's just a known property slapped on a shit script like 90% of Hollywood.
It took itself way too damn seriously. From the posters to the trailers to the look, feel, and one of the film itself. It lost a lot of the heart, the childhood fun, that made previous Pixar movies so special and universal. Without that, all of Pixar's usual parlor tricks fell flat. Meanwhile you had Sonic 2, The Bad Guys, and Minions 2, which were all just way better at bringing out that energy that kids are drawn to. I believe a kid that's into more serious things would like Lightyear, but they're a minority when we're talking mass market appeal.
>The Bad Guys
Oh yeah that made more than Lightyear. Good
Yeah, overall, which is good; TBG is an excellent movie and should be recognized. But Lightyear did more than TBG domestically, which is a shame. DreamWorks didn't market this movie as hard as it could have.
>What went so wrong that Minions defeated Pixar
Minions have been defeating Pixar for a long time. Maybe people are just over Pixar's constant fart sniffing?
>What went so wrong
Russians invaded Ukraine
Please that excuse doesn't work anymore after the first 2 months
It's a boring mid movie that shat on its audience and virtue signaled before it even came out, people just want dumb fun which is why they went to Top Gun or Minions instead.
Nothing of this looked appealing.
The artsyle with big noses and big round eyes look awful.
Why is everyone intensely staring at the viewer except Buzz.
Why does the cat have a thousand yard stare. Even if it's some kind of robot it's obviously meant to be a cute mascot so it should make a cute face or something.
The girl's expression makes her look dumb.
Guy with classic dreamworks face is looking at nothing like an idiot.
Old guy is frowning and crosseyed. He doesn't look determined, he just looks pissed off. Why is he pissed off at me, the viewer. I don't want to go watch something with a goofy pissed off old guy in it what's his deal the poster tells nothing.