Listen, I love Severance as much as everyone else. But am I the only one who thinks that based on the finale, season 2 is going to suck? They clearly don't have anything else planned. I'm having flashbacks to LOST. Where can they even go from here? There's just no plausible way for this to continue for 9 more episodes.
I keep telling people this is going to be another West World. Season 1 of WW was fantastic but once the show leaves West World it isn't as fun anymore. Like Severance is now about them being free and outside and they know their company is evil so the quirky office drama and mystery is gone unless they do some mind wipe but that betrays the fans intelligence
>this is going to be another West World
Yes, this is probably going to be a better comparison than LOST. The first couple seasons of LOST are good, but Severance and WW are both based on a single major happening
I think it's more likely than not that a show called severance won't have any more severing. My guess is we will get a new and more mysterious Lumen employee early in season 2
also The only way to save Helly is to kill her outie
>Season 1 of WW was fantastic but once the show leaves West World it isn't as fun anymore.
That's not even close to being the issue with WW after s1.
Are you really such a simpleton, that the gimmick is everything you care about?
>fun
I guess you are.
west world was always contrived dog shit.
Why does he look so bad? It’s off putting
because he's 7 years older than he was when you last saw him on parks and rec
He looks as if he aged 20 years in that time.
If you look at other stuff, he looks just fine. You can tell he has heavy makeup on in the show. I think the point was to make him look bloated, like an alcoholic.
This
They also chose actors with very distinct faces for some reason
He's supposed to look like shit. He's a middle aged dude whose asian milf wife just died, working the world's worst dead end job.
100% correct. This is classic "mystery box" television. Maybe they have a few ideas about where to take it, but all of the deep lore stuff seemed half-baked. The show itself is about a 6/10 overall but it's novel so it helps us to ignore all of its shortcomings. These will be apparent in season 2 once the novelty has worn off.
That's a good point. At minimum the show can fall back on the cool aesthetics/atmosphere its crafted
>They clearly don't have anything else planned
It was signed on for 2 seasons right from the start. They have s2 planned, but anything after that will br dogshit
>On October 31, 2022, Gwendoline Christie, Bob Balaban, Merritt Wever, Alia Shawkat, Robby Benson, Stefano Carannante, Ólafur Darri Ólafsson and John Noble were announced to have joined the cast for season two
8 new characters. That's all that's known. To me, this indicates that season 2 is probably going to be fairly moronic.
Honestly the presence of GoT Giant Lady makes me nervous that next season will suck, I can't put my finger on why
She's not a bad actress, it's more that having more recognisable names signals that the studio is starting to meddle
Also I agree that if you're adding a shitton of consequential new characters it means it might be bad
Could just be a new department which means it could weave into the story naturally and not feel stupid.
>Is S2 going to suck
Hopefully they know what they're doing, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was like Westworld where they just started making shit up after S1 and it sucked
I think it could be an interesting concept where the innies are reset and either moved around departments or just carry on as normal, then the outies are trying to break into the building rather than the other way around
Imo S1 was pretty much perfect, though I just hope they haven't overplayed their hand with the mystery elements
>the innies are reset and either moved around departments or just carry on as normal, then the outies are trying to break into the building rather than the other way around
Well Irving's outie seems to already be doing this. However, Helly's outie would never do this obviously. Dillon's outie is unknown to us. Mark may also not want to break in because of muh cheekbone wife.
>However, Helly's outie would never do this obviously
She could be an interesting antagonist for that reason
>Dillon's outie is unknown to us
Not to Irving, he has a full list of them, possibly from previously occupying Milchick's role, before getting reset after staging a coup
>Mark may also not want to break in because of muh cheekbone wife.
Yes but he obviously will. At the very least he goes back, because the very last sound in S1 is the elevator door opening, when the Overtime is switched off. From the innie's perspective these two things would happen right after each other
Also re: Dillon, bear in mind they all live in the same town in a region called Kier that is presumably owned by the company so they'll 100% run into him
One interesting theory is that Milchick is Mark's therapist, as Devon mentions a mustache
Yeah hopefully. The last ep showed some of the other departments (but notably not O&D) so presumably they'll appear somewhere
>Not to Irving, he has a full list of them, possibly from previously occupying Milchick's role, before getting reset after staging a coup
This is an interesting theory, but personally I think he's just a schizo who is determined to take down Lumen for some reason
I know Severance isn't supposed to be super "realistic" but my biggest problem with the show is that not everyone reacts like Helly does. There's no incentive to work if you don't get money or anything. I get that it's sort of a comedy, but still.
It makes no sense to most people why they would want to live two separate shorter lives, and subjecting half of your life to slavery. The characters are supposed to have reasons why it's justified for them, even if they're wrong.
>There's no incentive to work
they get prizes and avoid torture
I think a large part of the Severance experiment is removing all context from people's lives and filling it with Kier's ideology surrounding industry and labour
Everyone *does* react like Helly on day 1 though, Mark told Petey he wanted to kill him
Presumably they also pick somewhat broken people do the job (e.g. the woman in the Lexington Letter or Mark after losing his wife) so they're easier to control. Helly being an exception where they let in a very headstrong person for marketing purposes
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It'll be like mr robot where the majority of the show is getting lost in the weeds of the mystery to the point when the Big Reveal happens it will be moronic. Both came from movie scripts and were stretched into shows
I'm always baffled by the fact that everyone on Cinemaphile seems to post-season 1 Mr. Robot. Maybe Cinemaphile is just kind of moronic
*seems to love
Yeah I just wanted more exploration of the severance floor, finding more mysteries n shit, shenanigans with other departments. That's what was so good about S1.
Pete mentions in episode 2(?) that he found a department where the people never get to leave. I bet that's where season 1's cast end up, and then we'll mostly get a new cast for S2, with the S1 guys being the B plot. I bet they frick with the chip so that every time they walk into the elevator the "sides" of their brain switch, but they just walk straight back into the room they came from.
Hopefully S2 also follows the silver haired gilf lady more
Yeah this is presumably where Mrs. Casey goes to and from ('the Testing Floor')
The theory is that Lumon take people who have recently died and revive them with the Severance chip in some way, like Gemma. Cobell's mother is thought to be down there
as she had a breathing tube with Charlotte Cobell (born 1944) on the label. This is why she keeps pushing Mark and Gemma together in the counselling sessions, or why she sneaks in stuff like 'your outie likes the sound of radar' (Irving's dog) into the questions, to see if they remember their outie's lives, as that would mean her mother might remember her
Interesting. She also asks Mark's sister if he sees his wife.
In episode 1 in one shot, Mark has a cut on his forehead before Helly even throws the speaker. It's gone again in the next shot until she throws it
I cant find anything about this on google.
If you want a timestamp go to 21:35
There are a few continuity errors throughout the season, I think they also drew 2 versions of the map and forgot to only use the final one as well (seems to be a prop dept error rather than a mystery thing)
Really I didn't notice that one. The only other thing I noticed was weird is when Mark witnesses Petey dying out the front of a gas station. This could be a problem with my rip, but the paramedics react to petey falling down and claim he's not breathing before he actually does. He's standing when they say that lol
That ones not that interesting because it could easily be fixed as we dont actually see the paramedics say this we just hear it so you could just cut that out
Yeah the Petey falling thing is weird, I presumed it was stylistic or it was from his weird out-of-sync perspective or something
There's a lot of weird stuff in the outie world that makes me think we're in for outie world is another level of severance, it's not real either or something.
E.g.
No food anywhere, e.g. the restaurant or Ricken's party. Devon gives him a sandwich though tbf
Ricken saying "you look like a man who's at peace"
Town is called Kier, no one lives in the housing except Cobell and Mark
Devon listed as severed on the board in the last ep. Ricken clearly wealthy from his family or something, possible Eagan. Possibly Lumon plants to watch Mark? Bear in mind Cobell ask's Milchick to check Ricken's book for messages
Also nobody in the outie world has a car made in the 21st century
Yup which is weird given that the Lexington Letter explicitly mentions the Baby Driver movie, which came out a few years ago
>There's a lot of weird stuff in the outie world that makes me think we're in for {spoiler}
Oh jesus christ not this shit again. I swear to christ if we get another 20 years of morons on Cinemaphile insisting that Zion is another layer of the matrix, not in a metaphorical sense but in a literal computational 1s and 0s simulation sense but applied to Severance I'm going to do something unreasonable
Is there really any theory that can compete with the idea that the macro data they are refining is the human mind, and that it is part of Lumen's attempt to create artificial intelligence and grow their own workers? Ricken is somehow aware of this, and that's why he calls Mark a 'cartographer of the mind' in the note in his copy of the book' The four tempers are the four feelings for the numbers, etc.
I think it's the minds of the people on the testing floor. They're "reassembling" the minds of dead people to turn them into a semi-human obedient workforce like gemma/ms. casey.
>They're "reassembling" the minds of dead people
All with the end goal of being able to revive all past Eagens and all future Eagens when they die
Nope
>they haven't read The Lexington Letter
Uh yeah there is, the official reason. Are you even a fans of this show, you haven't read the companion book released by the show?
https://imgur.com/a/GOiKxEa
spoilers obviously. we cant take everything in here as fact, but it's the most likely explanation we have as it's literally released alongside the show.
homie I'm not reading some EU book this isn't star wars
Then frick off no one gives a shit about your theory to an answered question. Also this is literally canon, it was released alongside the show by the creators of the show
I had heard of the Letter but hadn't read it before, pretty interesting
Milchick works as an editor for a newspaper
Refiners are doing something that allows Lumon to do corporate espionage or terrorism?
Numbers are based on the 4 tempers, which is obvious enough in the show anyway
One important point to note is that the Refinement program can also reject numbers, which is interesting. It suggests there's a 'right answer' it checks against rather than the theory that its just Cobell etc monitoring how the refiners feel based on encoded data
There's just no way that macro data refining is blowing up trucks or whatever. They wouldn't just reveal it in some short story like this. They are clearly doing something to do with growing people/resurrecting the dead.
But they did anon
They did what David Lunch did and released some gayass book explaining the plot that no one would read. Then the fan theories turned out to be better than the book
Blowing up competitors is the most boring thing they could have come up with but there you go
Ricken isn't aware of anything. He entire book is nonsense.
Why did Cobell ask Milchick to check the book for messages then
Because Cobell didn't know tht Ricken knew nothing.
I just want to see Irving pound Burt in the ass
Lol at the 'kiss' scene where they clearly couldn't offer Walken enough money to do gay shit on camera so they had to improvise
Walken and the other dude are good friends IRL and they both agreed that they wouldn't be able to do it convincingly without laughing. There's an interview where he talks about it. I think the head-touch works better with the "repressed older gays" thing anyways.
I thought their little romance was an on-screen gay couple done pretty well overall. It was sweet rather than feeling forced
Yeah it was good. It's rare that productions do gay relationships as literally just normal relationships instead of making it a virtue signaled nightmare. I appreciated it.
>thinks that based on the finale, season 2 is going to suck?
yes, finished laste ep yesterday and told my friend who recommended the show the same thing
the magic and mystery will be gone in season 2 and idk how they can salvage it
Shrink ray theorist chads will be proven right once again
preemptively getting mad is just self fulfilling prophecy
Didn't they literally confirm that they have the entire show written out already? They aren't floundering around, they know exactly how it will end
Yeah the guy who wrote it had all the planned seasons finished before he even submitted it. I think it's only intended to be two seasons long.
>blow your load in season 1, everything afterwards is shit because you weren't expecting to get renewed
Severance, Lost, Westworld, Walking Dead, Heroes, True Detective, Game of Thrones, Prison Break...
>True Detective
??? they always meant for it to be an anthology
Still blew their load in S1 and produced two seasons of bullshit
The reason why I refuse to watch this show is this guy’s punchable face
>they clearly don't have anything else planned
>the last couple of episodes and especially the finale set up several lines the second season can/will follow directly
Are you people really moronic, or are you just so bored of shitty second seasons you automatically assume the worst?
We have simply learned to expect nothing from S2 yet somehow still get let down
Barry S2 was good
>We have simply learned to expect nothing from S2 yet somehow still get let down
Checked and kek'd.
John Noble is playing Walken's boyfriend right?
It's obvious the town is owned by Kier, but I was hoping for something a little more apocalyptic, like this is the near future and food is scarce, life is lonely and sparse, etc. I enjoyed that world dressing.
I only hope they don't replace the cast from S1. I don't mind if it's like LOST since I loved it despite the flaws. It could get cancelled too. Three seasons would be enough imo.
Nah they're all signed on I think so they'll be in it.
At a guess they might
split the MDR team into different departments after a reset and recreate MDR from new employees
I like how the innie handbook uses made up disease concerns as a means of control.
Stop thinking about that goy
Give me another kino show similar to Severance to watch while I wait for S2
There's not even a release date so you might be waiting a while Anon
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The Twilight Zone, maybe. Or Twin Peaks. There's nothing really "similar" to Severance, but those both have that kind of mysterious, subtly abnormal vibe to them.
No I think season 2 will be good. It has plenty of room to grow.
The end of season 2 / season 3 might be a bit shit , but we'll see. It's supposedly planned out
The outies probably want them in there. So it's not hard to just put them back in there. Politically, it seems that the innies don't really have rights.
I don't think they'll do any sort of mind wiping or memory implanting, as that is waaay too Westworld-y and a cop-out for the premise.