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it's in the odyssey right? don't be a pedant
The poem ends with the king of Troy going into Achillis tent at night and begging for his sons body to bury instead of jet parading around Hectors corpse. Achilis is moved by this and allows it and promises a truce for a funeral for Hector and then it just ends.
it’s crazy to think about how much of the past could be completely wrong because of something like a simple mis-translation, or a correct translation of something that was just completely made up by some fricker 2000 years ago
>opa, it this horse with a little house on it and windows maybe containing enemy soldiers? >don't be silly, papageordiakus, you olive brain, just drag it inside the city and go to sleep.
Nah, they saw that the ships are gone.
There's a ridiculous scene in that movie where some random Trojan guy is walking on the cliffs on the beach and OMG he hees 1000 ships hidden in a bay.
Nope. It's a cultural tradition outside of Homer. And Pausanius tells us that pretty much everybody back then understood the Trojan Horse to be some kind of siege engine.
The entire story isn't explained, but the Trojan horse is mentioned in the Odyssey. Menelaus tells Helen that the soldiers in "the wooden horse" had almost sprang from their hiding place when they heard her voice, but Ulysses held them in check.
>the german army defeated the largest defense line of stronghold fortresses of the impenetrable kind by simply passing around it >somehow it's viewed as less moronic than accepting a gift from the enemy
>you and your bros are peeking out of the horse together during the festival >see all the Trojans celebrating, mothers crying tears of joy, wives embracing their husbands, children dancing
bros... would you still go thru with it ? I dunno, maybe we're the baddies
This and the one Trojan who tried to warn the others that the horse was a trick was killed by serpents sent by Poseidon, since Poseidon was one of the gods aligned with the Greeks.
The horse was the emblem of Troy (they were famed equestrians and horse breeders), but it was also one of the sacred animals of Poseidon, who supported the Greeks.
>be honoured man of Troy >live my life with honestly and fairness >it is a quiet and unremarkable life, as thousands before me, and thousands after me >hear about some silly business with a wooden horse >3000 YEARS LATER >Trojan? Like the horse? >Yeah, big wooden horse, we use it as a term for like computer viruses and stuff
can we talk about the "wine dark sea" now and how that makes people think that old-timey people didn't have a word for 'blue'?
I saw some docu on the Black Sea that mentioned that a high concentration of hydrogen sulfide will make the sea turn a dark purple/black, so there's that I guess.
How likely would it be for someone to make a completely faithful film or series adaptation of the Iliad? With all the gods in it, all the brutality, scenes of soldiers frantically trying to recover the bodies of their fallen comrades or immediately loot the corpses of fallen enemies. War councils dolling out prizes including slaves and women to be taken as trophies and the open and blunt brutality of ancient warfare where everyone knows the cost of losing is total and complete annihilation.
I want to see Diomedes engulfed with war rage BTFO Aries and Aphrodite.
>It's another "Achilles throws a hissy fit because he had to give back a prostitute who was formerly a priest and now all the men have the plague due to divine punishment" episode
Also, in all honesty: His relationship with Patrocles wasn't entirely heterosexual
No, Agamemnon had to give back the priest daughter, but he was pissed because he had one less waifu so took one of Achilles, promising to give him a replacement one in the future.
And Achilles chimped out because he was insulted that Agamemnon, even as the commander of all the Greeks, had the gaul to just take one of his prizes.
And he wasnt at all gay and its never even hinted at that Patrocles was his gay sex lover. He was more like a step older brother figure to him. People that claim otherwise have never read the poem.
Is this war crime?
They hadn't invented Geneva or the convention yet.
You could do whatever you want back then as long as it's rad
War crimes are what salty losers call the winning strategies that beat them.
Why do zoomers call everything a "war crime" or "genocide"?
Trying to make people care in a time where nobody gives a shit
All is fair in love and war.
*napalms chad*
>live action
Do you think that the Iliad was a cartoon originally?
Also, the Horse is the least moronic part of the poem.
>Horse is the least moronic part of the poem
it's also not in the Iliad
The poem ends with the king of Troy going into Achillis tent at night and begging for his sons body to bury instead of jet parading around Hectors corpse. Achilis is moved by this and allows it and promises a truce for a funeral for Hector and then it just ends.
its not the Greek's fault that their attempt at the first ever armoured assault was misinterpreted.
woah, a horse!
For me, it's Age of Mythology
loved the campaign
it’s crazy to think about how much of the past could be completely wrong because of something like a simple mis-translation, or a correct translation of something that was just completely made up by some fricker 2000 years ago
Greek is still spoken today you dipshit
homie, Homeric Greek and modern Greek might as well be different languages.
It was spoken continuously between times though
>opa, it this horse with a little house on it and windows maybe containing enemy soldiers?
>don't be silly, papageordiakus, you olive brain, just drag it inside the city and go to sleep.
Hasn't anyone ever told you: Don't look a gift horse in the house!
It was a different time
tbf they also saw their ships sailing away
Nah, they saw that the ships are gone.
There's a ridiculous scene in that movie where some random Trojan guy is walking on the cliffs on the beach and OMG he hees 1000 ships hidden in a bay.
>using the movie when he is talking about the poem
homie, you moronic
shut up
it's in the odyssey right? don't be a pedant
Nope. It's a cultural tradition outside of Homer. And Pausanius tells us that pretty much everybody back then understood the Trojan Horse to be some kind of siege engine.
The entire story isn't explained, but the Trojan horse is mentioned in the Odyssey. Menelaus tells Helen that the soldiers in "the wooden horse" had almost sprang from their hiding place when they heard her voice, but Ulysses held them in check.
Hm. Okay.
I still say it's a siege engine though.
Yes, it's mentioned in Odyssey
>the german army defeated the largest defense line of stronghold fortresses of the impenetrable kind by simply passing around it
>somehow it's viewed as less moronic than accepting a gift from the enemy
You just don't understand how stupid Greek-Turk roaches were back in the day or also now.
t. Albanian
Plus they were gone for like 10 years. It's not that far to sail home once in a while and check in with the family.
>you and your bros are peeking out of the horse together during the festival
>see all the Trojans celebrating, mothers crying tears of joy, wives embracing their husbands, children dancing
bros... would you still go thru with it ? I dunno, maybe we're the baddies
The Trojans started it by stealing the Greeks' waifu.
Yes, we've been sieging this dam place for years, I want to go home. Also plenty of loot to take home.
If they had horses that big back then, then where were the carraiges? There's no record of giant wagons or saddles and shit!
The live action movie removes the mythological context and basis for the horse, so it just seems like the Trojans were idiots.
The horse was a gift to honor Posiedon, if the Trojans just burnt it down or left it outside they would risk angering the god.
This and the one Trojan who tried to warn the others that the horse was a trick was killed by serpents sent by Poseidon, since Poseidon was one of the gods aligned with the Greeks.
Why a horse though?
The horse was the emblem of Troy (they were famed equestrians and horse breeders), but it was also one of the sacred animals of Poseidon, who supported the Greeks.
>be honoured man of Troy
>live my life with honestly and fairness
>it is a quiet and unremarkable life, as thousands before me, and thousands after me
>hear about some silly business with a wooden horse
>3000 YEARS LATER
>Trojan? Like the horse?
>Yeah, big wooden horse, we use it as a term for like computer viruses and stuff
I feel sorry for the people of Troy.
It was all Paris' fault. If he kept it in his pants none of this would have happened. Hector did nothing wrong
Condoms too
can we talk about the "wine dark sea" now and how that makes people think that old-timey people didn't have a word for 'blue'?
I saw some docu on the Black Sea that mentioned that a high concentration of hydrogen sulfide will make the sea turn a dark purple/black, so there's that I guess.
>Troy was relocated and rebuilt 4 times.
>Each time they fell for the horse trick.
How likely would it be for someone to make a completely faithful film or series adaptation of the Iliad? With all the gods in it, all the brutality, scenes of soldiers frantically trying to recover the bodies of their fallen comrades or immediately loot the corpses of fallen enemies. War councils dolling out prizes including slaves and women to be taken as trophies and the open and blunt brutality of ancient warfare where everyone knows the cost of losing is total and complete annihilation.
I want to see Diomedes engulfed with war rage BTFO Aries and Aphrodite.
>It's another "Achilles throws a hissy fit because he had to give back a prostitute who was formerly a priest and now all the men have the plague due to divine punishment" episode
Also, in all honesty: His relationship with Patrocles wasn't entirely heterosexual
No, Agamemnon had to give back the priest daughter, but he was pissed because he had one less waifu so took one of Achilles, promising to give him a replacement one in the future.
And Achilles chimped out because he was insulted that Agamemnon, even as the commander of all the Greeks, had the gaul to just take one of his prizes.
And he wasnt at all gay and its never even hinted at that Patrocles was his gay sex lover. He was more like a step older brother figure to him. People that claim otherwise have never read the poem.
AI will fix it.