why is it so hard for comic book writers to deliver on the hype?
the living tribunal was hyped up since like at least 92, how can you have him lose in 1 page so unceremoniously?
Bro, the Living Tribunal's entire reason to exist is exclusively to job.
It has been that way for the last 30 years. Blame yourself for expecting anything out of capeshit writers
What blows my mind is just how lazy this is. Remember The Fury versus Mad Jim Jaspers and how creative and visually distinctive it looks? This is just three angry pixels shooting a deadly red line at a golden sketch holding fart clouds. Fricking boring.
Read League of Extraordinary Gentlemen yesterday and the scene with M's warship vs the Chinese War Kites was so brilliantly done it felt like I was watching a movie. No one could write a scene like that today. I remember in X of Swords Hickman was building up this big tournament but it just devolved into game show because no one knows how to script fight scenes.
not exactly true.
They're not as crazy powerful as they should be, but Jasper is the ruler of one of the courts of Otherworld, and the Furies took over another and began mass-producing themselves. Now they're hunting mutants in Otherworld, basically magic sentinels.
This and the Starlin self wank where Thanos killed Living Tribunal and One Above All to become God was easily some of the dumbest shit on a Marvel page ever.
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Yeah, this is dumb as shit. Living Tribunal is a fricking joke, same with that whole "The One Above All isn't ACTUALLY omnipotent!" nonsense. I find that insultingly stupid, and I'm so fricking tired of them recycling the "Thanos finds a macguffin that makes him all powerful and he only loses because he sabotages himself" trope all the time.
I don't care about "muh powerlevels" but cosmic beings beyond human understanding add to a sense of grander mythology. Kind of like most gods in fantasy settings do.
This kind of shit just takes away any sense of "magic" and grandiosity.
Requesting Batkek's fight with Perpetua page for another example of how not to do the OP cosmic beings' fight. You know the one.
the particular case in OP's pic were beyonders, who were long established as immensely powerful in their own right and it was meant to add to the sense of despair and finallity that had been omnipresent since the start of Hickman's new avengers run.
Literally in the first arc the living tribunal appears in he has trouble against some rando magical entity that doctor strange beats by stealing his staff and dies by being crushed under rocks.
His next apperence after that is in a what if in which he fails to do anything against Korvac.
After a brief apperence in one issue of Rom, the next time he shows up is in secret wars too where he is used to make the beyonder look better.
And so on, the only times he ever really had that grandiose aura is when Starlin wrote him in the 90's, otherwise he is just a big cosmic jobber.
I vaguely remember an old comic where LT basically went "I KNEEL" to Molecule Man along with a host of other cosmic buttholes. How did him being second only to TOAA get started?
>Requesting Batkek's fight with Perpetua page for another example of how not to do the OP cosmic beings' fight. You know the one.
Why did DC sanction Snyder's buffoonery?
Yeah, what they're doing with Thanos is so much better. I'll never forget Thanos just randomly showing up on Earth with a bunch of guns and getting jobbed out 2 pages later.
The second there was a "God" creature/entity above Galactus was when stuff started getting silly. I can't take Marvel or DC serious anymore with them constantly trying to up the anty for cosmic creatures/multiversal threats.
>or DC
All of Perpetua and Dark Knights Metal retconns just didn't happen. Over the years, some writer or group of writers at Marvel (at least used to) try to do some continuity cleanup and reach a broad understanding of the hierarchy. DC just inventing shitty multiversal, cosmic threats when their highest, non-divine tier is Guardians of the Universe and gods/New Gods always shoots them in the foot because some hack like Snyder will invent the World Forger and some hack like nuJohns will be like umumumumumumumummmmmm The Anti-Monitor was "Mobius" all along, gaise. Meanwhile Morrison at least got the "True Darkseid" fanon concept into the books and laid out an exact cosmological geography. But as DC moves from one abortion of their mythos to another, what do they do? Steal what they can from Morrison's ideas, downgrade the shit out of them, and then do some arbitrary retcon to their universe i.e. weez infinite againz boyz. >Mxyzptlk comes from the 5th dimension >Snyder: b***h, Perpetua's from the 6th
It just leads to retcons of retcons of more retcons, making it harder to cultivate a fanbase invested in the continuity, when the entire medium is increasingly dying.
>entire multiverse is dying >years of buildup before revealing the beyonders >they look like generic ayys >they have no real motivation, just vague dialogue about doing an experiment >heroes never actually confront them or stop them >they all die off-screen to doomwank
name a bigger disappointment
I know this was the time when Hickman's books got plagued by fillinners and literally whos because both Avengers and New were doubleshipping nearly every month, but even rereading all the supposed "deliveries" from the early parts of the run like Berto's plan with the Shang-chi clones to close the sentient, newuniversal'd Earth and the Shi'Ar war with the rogue planet it feels like Hickman was merely ticking his checkbox of stuff that needed to be done with zero sense of connection or character work, except maybe for Tony and his C-list pet characters
I unironically enjoyed this. Comics would be better without a strict cosmological hierarchy. Kind of ruins the drama of large-scale stuff when you know there's some ominipotent superbeing out there who will step in if things ever get too crazy
People say the tribunal is a jobber but isn't this the only time it has flat out lost? And to the beyonders, which shouldn't come as a surprise since the original beyonder was more powerful than all cosmic entities combined. The only other time I can recall was in ultimates and that's because the cosmic hierachy was in flux so Order and Chaos exploited a loophole in the Tribunal's own ruling.
The beyonders embody the power beyond creation, the tribunal is the greatest power within it.
>isn't this the only time it has flat out lost?
I can think off a bunch off the top of my head, Thanos twice written by Starlin, another time when writen by Cates, Protege in the original guardian of the galaxy book, Nightmare who became all powerful after the whole universe was put asleep in an antology book called simply marvel, offscreen against a super AI Tony Stark who had turned most of the universe into computers in venom the end, offscreen against Korvac just recently in the current iron man series.
>The beyonders embody the power beyond creation, the tribunal is the greatest power within it
...how do you exist if you're not of creation? Did TOAA make those guys, and if not, who did?
>I think Marvel needs to assign their writers back-issue homework on LT's powerlevel.
look at
https://i.imgur.com/8v4OPNy.jpg
the particular case in OP's pic were beyonders, who were long established as immensely powerful in their own right and it was meant to add to the sense of despair and finallity that had been omnipresent since the start of Hickman's new avengers run.
Literally in the first arc the living tribunal appears in he has trouble against some rando magical entity that doctor strange beats by stealing his staff and dies by being crushed under rocks.
His next apperence after that is in a what if in which he fails to do anything against Korvac.
After a brief apperence in one issue of Rom, the next time he shows up is in secret wars too where he is used to make the beyonder look better.
And so on, the only times he ever really had that grandiose aura is when Starlin wrote him in the 90's, otherwise he is just a big cosmic jobber.
ayyy
that easy, huh?
And they wonder why no one reads this shit
Was that the Beyonders?
No that was Mr. T
Now that, I could respect
why is it so hard for comic book writers to deliver on the hype?
the living tribunal was hyped up since like at least 92, how can you have him lose in 1 page so unceremoniously?
Bro, the Living Tribunal's entire reason to exist is exclusively to job.
It has been that way for the last 30 years. Blame yourself for expecting anything out of capeshit writers
>The Living Jobber
What blows my mind is just how lazy this is. Remember The Fury versus Mad Jim Jaspers and how creative and visually distinctive it looks? This is just three angry pixels shooting a deadly red line at a golden sketch holding fart clouds. Fricking boring.
Capeshit writers are hacks. Surprise surprise.
Well the difference is that the Jaspers vs Fury fight was written by the one and only Alan Moore, not some frickin rando like here
Read League of Extraordinary Gentlemen yesterday and the scene with M's warship vs the Chinese War Kites was so brilliantly done it felt like I was watching a movie. No one could write a scene like that today. I remember in X of Swords Hickman was building up this big tournament but it just devolved into game show because no one knows how to script fight scenes.
You might be happy to know that Jaspers and the Fury(ies) are currently being written like comedy jobbers in the X-books.
frick.
What're they doing?
not exactly true.
They're not as crazy powerful as they should be, but Jasper is the ruler of one of the courts of Otherworld, and the Furies took over another and began mass-producing themselves. Now they're hunting mutants in Otherworld, basically magic sentinels.
This and the Starlin self wank where Thanos killed Living Tribunal and One Above All to become God was easily some of the dumbest shit on a Marvel page ever.
of
Yeah, this is dumb as shit. Living Tribunal is a fricking joke, same with that whole "The One Above All isn't ACTUALLY omnipotent!" nonsense. I find that insultingly stupid, and I'm so fricking tired of them recycling the "Thanos finds a macguffin that makes him all powerful and he only loses because he sabotages himself" trope all the time.
the living tribunal and TOAA are none character that only powerlevel gay none reader like yourself care about.
The Living Tribunal works best when he's just a judge for lesser characters and his ruling is final. Gives it a very Star Trek feel.
I don't care about "muh powerlevels" but cosmic beings beyond human understanding add to a sense of grander mythology. Kind of like most gods in fantasy settings do.
This kind of shit just takes away any sense of "magic" and grandiosity.
Requesting Batkek's fight with Perpetua page for another example of how not to do the OP cosmic beings' fight. You know the one.
the particular case in OP's pic were beyonders, who were long established as immensely powerful in their own right and it was meant to add to the sense of despair and finallity that had been omnipresent since the start of Hickman's new avengers run.
Literally in the first arc the living tribunal appears in he has trouble against some rando magical entity that doctor strange beats by stealing his staff and dies by being crushed under rocks.
His next apperence after that is in a what if in which he fails to do anything against Korvac.
After a brief apperence in one issue of Rom, the next time he shows up is in secret wars too where he is used to make the beyonder look better.
And so on, the only times he ever really had that grandiose aura is when Starlin wrote him in the 90's, otherwise he is just a big cosmic jobber.
I vaguely remember an old comic where LT basically went "I KNEEL" to Molecule Man along with a host of other cosmic buttholes. How did him being second only to TOAA get started?
>Requesting Batkek's fight with Perpetua page for another example of how not to do the OP cosmic beings' fight. You know the one.
Why did DC sanction Snyder's buffoonery?
Thank God Marvel just made Carlin's shit not canon after a certain point
Source?
Yeah, what they're doing with Thanos is so much better. I'll never forget Thanos just randomly showing up on Earth with a bunch of guns and getting jobbed out 2 pages later.
The second there was a "God" creature/entity above Galactus was when stuff started getting silly. I can't take Marvel or DC serious anymore with them constantly trying to up the anty for cosmic creatures/multiversal threats.
>or DC
All of Perpetua and Dark Knights Metal retconns just didn't happen. Over the years, some writer or group of writers at Marvel (at least used to) try to do some continuity cleanup and reach a broad understanding of the hierarchy. DC just inventing shitty multiversal, cosmic threats when their highest, non-divine tier is Guardians of the Universe and gods/New Gods always shoots them in the foot because some hack like Snyder will invent the World Forger and some hack like nuJohns will be like umumumumumumumummmmmm The Anti-Monitor was "Mobius" all along, gaise. Meanwhile Morrison at least got the "True Darkseid" fanon concept into the books and laid out an exact cosmological geography. But as DC moves from one abortion of their mythos to another, what do they do? Steal what they can from Morrison's ideas, downgrade the shit out of them, and then do some arbitrary retcon to their universe i.e. weez infinite againz boyz.
>Mxyzptlk comes from the 5th dimension
>Snyder: b***h, Perpetua's from the 6th
It just leads to retcons of retcons of more retcons, making it harder to cultivate a fanbase invested in the continuity, when the entire medium is increasingly dying.
Daily reminder the living tribunal is not just nigh omnipotent but he's supposed to be a omniscient super genius as well.
Is there any cosmic entity in Marvel that isn't s jobber?
this isn't the time Nick Fury shot him to death, was it?
Or was that some other cosmic being?
This feels like a punch line for an abridged series
Wtf is this from? Ewing's Ultimates?
From Hackman's Avengers.
>entire multiverse is dying
>years of buildup before revealing the beyonders
>they look like generic ayys
>they have no real motivation, just vague dialogue about doing an experiment
>heroes never actually confront them or stop them
>they all die off-screen to doomwank
name a bigger disappointment
They're a metaphor for editorial.
That falls apart because Doom didn't kill editorial, they're just lazy.
>They're a metaphor for editorial.
But Marvel doesn't have editors.
Morrison did it better.
>they look like generic ayys
Why were they changed from alien dudes in light armor to weird lego-heavy armor blocks with no explanation?
Seems like they were designed by Deodato and he's terrible.
I know this was the time when Hickman's books got plagued by fillinners and literally whos because both Avengers and New were doubleshipping nearly every month, but even rereading all the supposed "deliveries" from the early parts of the run like Berto's plan with the Shang-chi clones to close the sentient, newuniversal'd Earth and the Shi'Ar war with the rogue planet it feels like Hickman was merely ticking his checkbox of stuff that needed to be done with zero sense of connection or character work, except maybe for Tony and his C-list pet characters
Why are the big 2 so bad at fight scenes?
I unironically enjoyed this. Comics would be better without a strict cosmological hierarchy. Kind of ruins the drama of large-scale stuff when you know there's some ominipotent superbeing out there who will step in if things ever get too crazy
that was a fun time
bring back that homie lifebringer
I like how this in a way a go at portraying God in the tone of the book of revelations we're everything is creepy and psychedelic
fook!
People say the tribunal is a jobber but isn't this the only time it has flat out lost? And to the beyonders, which shouldn't come as a surprise since the original beyonder was more powerful than all cosmic entities combined. The only other time I can recall was in ultimates and that's because the cosmic hierachy was in flux so Order and Chaos exploited a loophole in the Tribunal's own ruling.
The beyonders embody the power beyond creation, the tribunal is the greatest power within it.
>isn't this the only time it has flat out lost?
I can think off a bunch off the top of my head, Thanos twice written by Starlin, another time when writen by Cates, Protege in the original guardian of the galaxy book, Nightmare who became all powerful after the whole universe was put asleep in an antology book called simply marvel, offscreen against a super AI Tony Stark who had turned most of the universe into computers in venom the end, offscreen against Korvac just recently in the current iron man series.
>The beyonders embody the power beyond creation, the tribunal is the greatest power within it
...how do you exist if you're not of creation? Did TOAA make those guys, and if not, who did?
heh
I think Marvel needs to assign their writers back-issue homework on LT's powerlevel.
The Beyonders killing him was...OK because they were blowing up their multiverse, but LT jobbing is too much of a meme now.
Can he get a good pimp scene soon?
>I think Marvel needs to assign their writers back-issue homework on LT's powerlevel.
look at
, he's been a jobber since day one.
If Galactus fought the Living Tribunal who would job?
At least Gruenwald wrote the cosmic characters with respect.
Galactus would job, but then a vilain would show up and beat up the living tribunal
Pictured: the only time the living tribunal has ever actually been what people want him to be.
When you put it all together it's practically canon that The One Above All just likes seeing the Living Tribunal explode a lot.