that still cume out of nowhere comparing her to the first season, now she horny out of nowhere when she knows he not tva's OG kang but ignores that for some reason instead of keeping cool like her in S1 when she was working for kang
>I wish writers got back on strike to avoid shit like this in the future
Fair.
she's a groomer
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She thinks she has a better chance with a younger naive variant, rather than HWR who's been AIzoning her for millennia.
>groomer
S1 doesn't even show Miss Minutes as a groomer in first place, kang even tell her he's not even the original kang who made her. If Miss Minutes was a groomer then she would manipulate him like who she was in s1 or when she told new kang to dump ravonna (implied in one line) on the same eps, not act horny or obsessive right in front of him when they just met. They just made her act like a yandere
The acknowledgement of Baldur makes me wonder if that was a leftover reference to MoM, where he was supposed to appear in Earth 838 before being replaced by Mr. Fantastic
When it comes to variants, we've seen how there's a common theme among them (Loki w/ trust issues, Spidey w/ tragedy, Strange having trouble "sharing the knife", etc).
With the Kang variants, I wonder if the main theme there is loneliness. Between HWR, the Conqueror, and Timely, for all their smarts or power, they seem to be kind of sad behind all of it.
I think there will be a turning point from here on out that creates the Council of Kangs we see in Ant Man 3. I think we're still chronologically after Endgame (2023) but before What If (early 2024 in-real-time)
In the comics does Kang become evil because Ravonna keeps manipulating him and wiener teasing him? Would be cool if that was the case but I can't see the MSheU doing an angle like this shitting on woman.
I got the vibe that HWR set Timely up to meet Renslayer and Miss Minutes knowing it'd go wrong with both of them so he'd realize he needs to fly solo. Maybe to stop him ever forming/joining a Counsel of Kangs or maybe falling in love and losing it is what makes him go full evil Kang.
Anyone else getting legit mad watching this shit? 3 episodes in and they still act like Sylvie did nothing wrong and is not the reason all of time is ending. She still carries along like she is in the right and trying to fix a problem she refuses to admit she created and I think the writing is so bad it will continue like this and never change.
Also when they finally met Ravonna again it was treated like not a big deal. No shock or anger that she tried to murder them and she knew about the lie of the TVA since the beginning or she didn't care that they were back or anything. Just business as usual and the show is also trying to make her a sympathetic character.
Am I just getting the plot here wrong or what? It seems like you have two characters that fricked up royally and are basically the villains and the show just sweeps it under the rug. Like every time Sylphic shows up and is grrrrrrr angry it makes no fricking sense. SHE fricked up but the show refuses to acknowledge this.
Thats what it feels like. Every time Sylvie screams at Loki about the frick up she caused its like when my gf totaled her car in a moronic accident then gets mad when my car isn't available for her at all times.
she's obviously realizing that killing every Kang variant isn't morally correct since taking away their freewill to chose. And are they making Renslayer a sympathetic character? Because her entire motivation is return everything back to the way it was
>she's obviously realizing that killing every Kang variant isn't morally correct since taking away their freewill to chose
She has yet to acknowledge that her bad judgement is the cause of this. Loki tried to stop her from killing Kang, she refused and everything is fricked now because of her. At no point has the show or her stated this.
Like I said above, when they met up with Renslayer it was like business as usual. They were cracking jokes even saying they were ex-coworkers. She tried to kill them. She mislead and lied to millions of people about what they are. Betrayed them all and they just now make her a wacky side character again with an alternate plot and motivations. She should be dead or in jail or something. None of the woman characters in this show are held to any standards and are allowed to frick up and do stupid shit and it's totally ok.
>Like I said above, when they met up with Renslayer it was like business as usual. They were cracking jokes even saying they were ex-coworkers. She tried to kill them. She mislead and lied to millions of people about what they are. Betrayed them all and they just now make her a wacky side character again with an alternate plot and motivations. She should be dead or in jail or something. None of the woman characters in this show are held to any standards and are allowed to frick up and do stupid shit and it's totally ok.
How is that different from how characters generally treat Loki like a pal or wacky comic relief guy even though he's killed multiple innocent people before, including Coulson?
Are you not paying attention to the show? It's entire existence is based around the conflict of Loki and if he is stuck being this villain that is the whipping boy of every hero or if he can ascended that and be more. I mean the bad guy they were interrogating in the 2nd episode reminded everyone of that for those who forgot season 1. None of the other characters are expressing a conflict like this. Terrible whataboutism.
I think they're simply prioritizing the urgency of the situation with the temporal loom than properly focusing on Sylvie and Renslayer, like the missions' main focus was trying to find out what the deal was with the future Loki saw or getting Ms. Minutes then Victor Timely to help the TVA. Both Loki and Mobius had an opportunity to try to help Sylvie and Renslayer but chose to go back to the TVA.
>than properly focusing on Sylvie and Renslayer
Thats not true though. Sylvie has had multiple scenes now in multiple episodes to get angry and scream at Loki and act like he did something wrong when he did nothing wrong at all and it's all her fault. Not a single second of self reflection. Not a single second of "shit maybe Loki was right and I shouldn't have killed him". No she has her moronic McDonalds time line she needs to defend thats it.
Really, regarding Renslayer it's just that they immediately brought her back in the fold as a comedic character having this jokey repertoire with Loki and Morbius and I think after all she did, they shouldn't have that relationship again and she should be painted strictly as a evil character and she is not. There is no black and white with what she did, she is legit a bad person but the show refuses to acknowledge that.
There are 3 more episodes. The stuff I am complaining about can be addressed in them maybe but this stuff should have been addressed sooner not later. Sylvie should be walking around with regret for what she did. Renslayer should be seen as a straight up evil villain the type you kill on sight. None of how these characters are interacting with each other makes sense. Even Miss. Minutes who should arguably be the clear cut bad guy is going to get a sympathetic, she did all this bad stuff for love angle. This is really bad writing.
Mobius acts jokey around Revonna because he doesn't like being serious or dealing with personal shit, the previous episode established that.
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All the characters are acting jokey and Mobius already showed last season that he can get serious when stuff is serious and they are in a serious situation. Stop justifying bad writing.
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>Mobius already showed last season that he can get serious when stuff
Like when?
Overall there's an odd angle where Loki our hero seems to be almost simpering and apologetic about the whole thing, and that's an awkward fit, but keep in mind there's more than just lighting that makes it seem like Sylvie was right. The Sacred Timeline bs meant killing off endless worlds and people, along with even stealing some of them, and that's a bad goal; Ravonna wants that back, also a bad goal. Sylvie killed HWR and made the timelines free and no more murders (in theory) and that's only bad because Loki was worried if HWR was telling the truth (he was). As far as our Lokis stand, one thinks a big frickup happened with temporary time freedom but ultimately an inevitable war with endless horrible Kangs, while the other sees it as she's the hero of the multi-timeline-verse and, if shit should go down again (specifically more Kangs) she just has to kill those guys too (a threat she doesn't properly assess but right mentality all in all). You'd be pissed if you were her too, your boy toy almost ruining your dethroning of a mass murdering villain because he was worried the guy wouldn't lie, followed by him (seemingly) bringing a fair deal of trouble to your cozy hideout timeline/home, followed by him wanting your help after turning on you, followed by him stopping you from trimming away spare Kangs and keeping the multiverse safe.
But all those extra things and issues she has to do was created by her because she was wrong and at no point is she acknowledging she made the wrong choice.
What was her wrong choice? Freeing the multiverse? Did you miss that that was good? Did you miss the re-bombing in S2 and the moment of tragic grief where B says "they're killing people"? Sylvie was right, she saved lifetimes and universes and unmasked the tva deception and ended the timeline-kidnapping. The only wrong part of that choice is it means Kangs to deal with but, being Marvel, villains will be dealt with
Did you watch season 1? Sylvie killed Kang for personal revenge and that's it. Not for any greater reason and you were shown almost instantly when Loki was sent to the bad time the repercussions of her choice.
Sylvie never made a wrong choice, she’s smart. JOKE-I is just a moron who has no sympathy for anyone else because he’s never dealt with trauma a day in his spoiled ass life.
>As far as our Lokis stand, one thinks a big frickup happened with temporary time freedom but ultimately an inevitable war with endless horrible Kangs, while the other sees it as she's the hero of the multi-timeline-verse and, if shit should go down again (specifically more Kangs) she just has to kill those guys too (a threat she doesn't properly assess but right mentality all in all). You'd be pissed if you were her too, your boy toy almost ruining your dethroning of a mass murdering villain because he was worried the guy wouldn't lie, followed by him (seemingly) bringing a fair deal of trouble to your cozy hideout timeline/home, followed by him wanting your help after turning on you, followed by him stopping you from trimming away spare Kangs and keeping the multiverse safe. >"I'm right because I said so, and frick you for daring to disagree with me"
This garbage take falls through because Sylvie is using the exact same anti-logic Thanos used to halve the universe. Well, before the Celestials retroactively justified him.
But no, instead of questioning whether or not Kang is an actual danger the show supports Sylvie's impulse decision to the extent that Loki is somehow supposed to feel bad for thinking larger than the scope of one sad girl's life.
Thinking of larger scope than Sylvie's life, it's still fricked up to prune timelines and basically kill trillions. We'll probably see how they'll deal with Kang in the upcoming movies but Loki S2 seems to be mainly dealing with adjusting the temporal loom to handle the multiverse so the TVA won't collapse.
>it's still fricked up to prune timelines and basically kill trillions.
You're missing my point here-other characters have actionable evidence that the alternative is EVERYONE dying to Kang, and none of the "free the multiverse" characters have demonstrated willingness or even acknowledgement of a greater multiversal threat resulting from solving the primary issue. The way Kang has been talked up it's absolutely braindead to expect Sylvie to be considered above criticism for not having an answer to that and just running away to be a fry cook. It's not that there IS any perfect solution here, it's that Sylvie is treated as being above criticism and absolved of the larger issues that smarter characters than her have repeatedly drawn attention to. >We'll probably see-
It's a pretty bad sign for the MCU that right now the most compelling evidence for me that Sylvie might have a point is the fact that Kang has had very poor showings in every incarnation. On paper, the described scale of the Kang threat should be completely beyond the Avengers to deal with. In person, well...fricking ants.
Don't worry bro the Avengers, or actually the legacy characters from the previous Marvel franchises, will beat Kang then we can finally move on to X-Men.
I'm trying to imagine the version of the last episode of S1 where HWR has Victor's stutter. It's two hours long and you want to have a nice day by the half hour mark.
I think it was deliberate that HWR chose a Kang variant who was autistic and disliked working with partners as his successor and not a "rational" variant who would probably turn out more like Quantumania Kang.
Why does HWR even have a contingency plan when he offered the Lokis a choice with the idea that they would live with the consequences? What was the point of that?
The point was that He Who Remains just wanted to commit suicide because he was tired of moderating and running the timeline. He probably left a contingency plan for the TVA like a successor (whether that be a Loki or one of his varisnts) to give them a chance deal with the incoming multiversal war in his absence but HWR himself is out of the game and he's leaving it all up to them.
That kinda of spoils the who ending of season 1 though and gives the illusion of choice. Another example of a TV show shocking you and then in the next scene being like "yea forget that" aka bad writing.
It was still their choice, they're still going to have to contend with a shitload of Kangs invading and come up with a solution that doesn't involve genocide
Honestly not sure because the rules with variants are all over the place. In the comics Victor Timely is just an alias but in the MCU it seems to be this Kang variant's actual birthname. So Ravonna could be a genderbent Kang variant with a different name, it's not far off from what Sylvie is to Loki after all. And she does go by Kang in some of the comics iirc.
But I think the big secret Miss Minutes is talking about is obviously that Ravonna and Kang used to rule the TVA together. You hear the recording in the first episode. The question is whether it was a different Ravonna and she was killed or did HWR just wipe her memory like the rest of staff before erasing his presence from the TVA and creating the Time-Keepers as a front?
Am I the only one who finds Majors performance too cartoonish? I thought it fit He Who Remains but for Timely it comes off like a performance. Like I was legitimately expecting him to break character and reveal the stuttering professor thing was a facade. Maybe that's the point. By the end you realize he actually is like that and it's a red herring for Renslayer being the real threat of the season.
When will people stop pretending JOKE-I is anything less than a comic relief character with just a little bit of a backstory? I mean, he’s literally a side character. No one cares about him, he’s not popular, never has been, never will be, especially compared to Sylvie, Ms. Minutes or Kang. He has no characterization beyond a narcissistic comic relief who’s fricking Sylvie. It saddens me this Rick Sanchez (but stupid) /Eric Cartman/Homer Simpson-esque character was named after a Norse God. He’s a comic relief butthole. You could erase JOKE-I the moron and the show would still go on the same. JOKE-I is only good for funny memes
Anyways, beyond my hatred of JOKE-I the Tard meme noncharacter love interest, this show is amazing.
Sylvie never made a wrong choice, she’s smart. JOKE-I is just a moron who has no sympathy for anyone else because he’s never dealt with trauma a day in his spoiled ass life.
JOKE-I trying to show sympathy to Sylvie’s bad past and trauma in a nutshell.
I’ve seen this homosexual pumping out threads simping for Sylvie/whining about Loki a lot, lately. Is this some new Schizo?
Can Loki go back to being a sociopath who enjoys hurting others rather than an awkward non-Doctor Who anti-hero please? Last episode there were glimpses of that and it felt very refreshing.
He's an improvement over last season, at least with how he handled Brad in ep 2. But ironically even though they seem to be taking a lot of inspiration from Doctor Who with this show I feel like the Doctor gets a lot more anti-hero/menacing than Loki ever does here. I guess because in S1 they were trying so hard to rehabilitate him but I'd hope as the story goes on longer Loki embraces his villainous side more and more. Not to go back to being a megalomaniacal maniac, he's beyond that now, but a guy who's willing to get his hands dirty for a greater good.
>He's an improvement over last season, at least with how he handled Brad in ep 2
FRICKING WOW, talk about setting the bar low. I'm pretty sure I could beat season 1 Loki. Me. IRL.
We've come a long, long way from the days where Loki could fight Captain America hand to hand and get the better of him. And that's just sad because he seems more like the God of Knives than the Gods of Lies for how often he resorts to trying to shank everyone from Dr. Strange to Valkyrie instead of casting fricking magic outside before S2. And he's not even GOOD at it compared to Sylvie the moronic street rat.
Also 9 was more intimidating than Loki ever was at any point of the MCU. Hell, even 10 had his moments and 12 was an excellently intimidating Doctor trapped in a godawful run. Comparing Loki to Doctor Who before 13 is an insult to Doctor Who.
Oh, definitely. If Chaos Walking, Dr. Strange 1 and Fantastic Beasts have proven anything it's that I can get a small amount of enjoyment from the most bottom-tier slop as long as it casts Mads Mikkelson as a villain somewhere in it.
And that hurts to say about Chaos Walking because I do like the books, just wasn't impressed by what I saw of the film
Don't worry bro the Avengers, or actually the legacy characters from the previous Marvel franchises, will beat Kang then we can finally move on to X-Men.
>move on to X-Men
Oh frick muties and their persecution complex. I hope Wanda lives just to snap them all away.
Best on how long it takes this time for someone to go "WE SHOULD DO THE DARK PHOENIX AGAIN" and kill the franchise THIS time? Seriously, have you noticed how consistent that shit is? Every time, every FRICKING time an X-Men director decides to adapt the Dark Phoenix they frick up EVERYTHING so badly it results in a reboot.
>THE NUCLEAR BOMBERINO? MY FRICKING FAULT BECAUSE I TAUGHT THESE APES HOW TO BUILD A STEAM ENGINE AIEEEEEE >Gets over it after a 1 minute conversation with his husband >he gay btw
It’d be fine if they chose a Black person who actually looked smart or could act smart.
This moronic concave-skulled mouth reathing jiggaboo doesn’t know how to act, let alone act like a professor for shit. It’s like he’s a little kid doing his bad impression of a movie scientist, trying to act eccentric and cerebral and ending up just acting like he has down syndrome
he only knows about advanced tech from the TVA guidebook and can't even get any of it working properly so just fakes his displays, so more like based black con man
>Clearly
I don't assume there's a twist. He's a loveable character cast by a loveable actor and his role thus far has been "we need a main character that actually knows what's going on." They're almost certainly gonna kill him off, tough. Not sure how but he's too good to stay. Granted I wouldn't doubt people were saying the same thing about Owen.
>It would explain why he knows shit that every other TVA agent had no idea bout.
Feels more like he wasn't affected by the memory wipe or whatever happened.
For what possible purpose would Sylvie send Renslayer to TEoT for? Did she just assume she didn't have a tempad or miss minutes on her? Is she moronic? Oh Mrs "Ive Killed You Countless Times in My Head" suddenly has cold feet? Frick off
Loki before:
Super-strength, durability, wiki says he has a healing factor (but I've yet to see the example of that in the movies themselves) and illusions. Simple enough.
Loki now:
Powers out of the ass.
I actually liked that. Loki was ashamed of his magic which is why he held back. Mommy issues. Old Loki told him magic is what being a Loki is. Now he's been using it non stop. I wish this could have happened sooner.
I love how Loki was adamant about not getting on the bike, then a few scenes later we hear the fricking bell ring before the chase starts on foot, and lo and behold - the bike's in the background. Cute visual gag.
About everything he hates he does because Mobius likes it. It's a good running joke between them. It's cliche but they make it work. I wish the actual end game pair of this show was even half as entertaining because I'm going to end up hating how this show ends at this rate.
They made Sylvie cute last season and you felt bad for her. Now I don't even feel bad for her when she's clearly suffering. Her screaming at Loki and blaming him for nothing while he just stands there and takes it is making me start to hate her.
tbh He Who Remains doing the Dio teleport thing was more unnerving than Kang in Ant-Man 3 was since he can time freeze kill anyone he wants while ant Kang's blasts randomly switch to non lethal and then his tech breaks if an ant pushes him
Wouldn't you be afraid of a batshit insane person in control over all of time?
they have to have characters tell us kang is intimidating.
since, you know, he doesn't ever actually do anything intimidating
I mean if the living proof that there's one man at the end of time, and he's insistent that his variants become multiversal conquerors that'd BTFO the Avengers, you'd be right to fear any one of them. I wonder if he'd be less worried if he knew Ant Man 3 happened .
I'm guessing it will be the last one to bridge all the Kang before Kang Dynasty. Especially now that a lot of the MCU D+ shows that were planned are getting written off or cancelled.
Season 2 is supposed to tell a full story according to interviews though. S1 was like the first half and this is the second. Season 3 would be a whole new jumping off point.
I feel like it was a forced parallel for Mobius, Loki, and Sylvie. It's the only thing that makes betraying Renslayer so fast for the fricking clock make sense. >Victor is the mischievous scamp that doesn't do partners like Loki in S1 >Renslayer is the better match and partner for him that gets betrayed like Loki did to Mobius in S1 >Victor goes for the clock who loves him but it's weird like Sylvie and the selfcest shit
The parallel falls off there because that's basically when the episode ends. No idea if it will continue into episode 4. I also have no idea why they are making this comparison either. Noticing a parallel is one thing but having no idea where it's going is kind of annoying like with a lot of shit set up in this show thus far.
Why do they keep giving Renslayer and Sylvie these holier than thou monologues and tirades when they're both clearly villains motivated purely for selfish reasons. Like why isnt Loki or Mobius calling them out on it, why do they just stand there and gawk at them while they suck their own dicks. I never thought I'd miss quipshit but both of these b***hes are in dire need of a Tony or a Peter to tell them to frick off and get over themselves
Love that Miss Minutes is hitting on him.
>hand over the BBC and no one gets hurt
SWNBAS4BBC
Topical considering how popular parasocial AI bots are these days.
that still cume out of nowhere comparing her to the first season, now she horny out of nowhere when she knows he not tva's OG kang but ignores that for some reason instead of keeping cool like her in S1 when she was working for kang
she's a groomer
It's because the episode has a shit script
I wish writers got back on strike to avoid shit like this in the future
>It's because the episode has a shit script
Based
>I wish writers got back on strike to avoid shit like this in the future
Fair.
>groomer
S1 doesn't even show Miss Minutes as a groomer in first place, kang even tell her he's not even the original kang who made her. If Miss Minutes was a groomer then she would manipulate him like who she was in s1 or when she told new kang to dump ravonna (implied in one line) on the same eps, not act horny or obsessive right in front of him when they just met. They just made her act like a yandere
She thinks she has a better chance with a younger naive variant, rather than HWR who's been AIzoning her for millennia.
So she's basically a fricking eons old groomer AI whose trying to get it good from her future daddy whilst she has the chance.
...Based.
I am now an avid supporter of the #MissTimely ship.
>digital kitty scratch 'n bite, but real pussy never hurt me
>literally XJ9
I have to say a lot of her frowning being out of focus in the background, and sighing when she was off screen was a pretty nice touch.
Maybe the real Kang Dynasty was the the harem he made along the way and Secret Wars will be about all his waifus fighting over him.
Okay. The 'critic' reviews were fricking trash.
Fantastic episode this week
she want the Kang Wang
The acknowledgement of Baldur makes me wonder if that was a leftover reference to MoM, where he was supposed to appear in Earth 838 before being replaced by Mr. Fantastic
When it comes to variants, we've seen how there's a common theme among them (Loki w/ trust issues, Spidey w/ tragedy, Strange having trouble "sharing the knife", etc).
With the Kang variants, I wonder if the main theme there is loneliness. Between HWR, the Conqueror, and Timely, for all their smarts or power, they seem to be kind of sad behind all of it.
I think there will be a turning point from here on out that creates the Council of Kangs we see in Ant Man 3. I think we're still chronologically after Endgame (2023) but before What If (early 2024 in-real-time)
Would fit with bringing in the comics version Ravonna doomed romance
In the comics does Kang become evil because Ravonna keeps manipulating him and wiener teasing him? Would be cool if that was the case but I can't see the MSheU doing an angle like this shitting on woman.
I got the vibe that HWR set Timely up to meet Renslayer and Miss Minutes knowing it'd go wrong with both of them so he'd realize he needs to fly solo. Maybe to stop him ever forming/joining a Counsel of Kangs or maybe falling in love and losing it is what makes him go full evil Kang.
>canceled voice actor's character horny for semi-canceled actor's character
Pottery.
>cancelled
Only Cucktown "cancelled" her.
we wuz Twain n sheeeit
is that Marlon Wayans?
Anyone else getting legit mad watching this shit? 3 episodes in and they still act like Sylvie did nothing wrong and is not the reason all of time is ending. She still carries along like she is in the right and trying to fix a problem she refuses to admit she created and I think the writing is so bad it will continue like this and never change.
Also when they finally met Ravonna again it was treated like not a big deal. No shock or anger that she tried to murder them and she knew about the lie of the TVA since the beginning or she didn't care that they were back or anything. Just business as usual and the show is also trying to make her a sympathetic character.
Am I just getting the plot here wrong or what? It seems like you have two characters that fricked up royally and are basically the villains and the show just sweeps it under the rug. Like every time Sylphic shows up and is grrrrrrr angry it makes no fricking sense. SHE fricked up but the show refuses to acknowledge this.
woman moment
Thats what it feels like. Every time Sylvie screams at Loki about the frick up she caused its like when my gf totaled her car in a moronic accident then gets mad when my car isn't available for her at all times.
she's obviously realizing that killing every Kang variant isn't morally correct since taking away their freewill to chose. And are they making Renslayer a sympathetic character? Because her entire motivation is return everything back to the way it was
>she's obviously realizing that killing every Kang variant isn't morally correct since taking away their freewill to chose
She has yet to acknowledge that her bad judgement is the cause of this. Loki tried to stop her from killing Kang, she refused and everything is fricked now because of her. At no point has the show or her stated this.
Like I said above, when they met up with Renslayer it was like business as usual. They were cracking jokes even saying they were ex-coworkers. She tried to kill them. She mislead and lied to millions of people about what they are. Betrayed them all and they just now make her a wacky side character again with an alternate plot and motivations. She should be dead or in jail or something. None of the woman characters in this show are held to any standards and are allowed to frick up and do stupid shit and it's totally ok.
>Like I said above, when they met up with Renslayer it was like business as usual. They were cracking jokes even saying they were ex-coworkers. She tried to kill them. She mislead and lied to millions of people about what they are. Betrayed them all and they just now make her a wacky side character again with an alternate plot and motivations. She should be dead or in jail or something. None of the woman characters in this show are held to any standards and are allowed to frick up and do stupid shit and it's totally ok.
How is that different from how characters generally treat Loki like a pal or wacky comic relief guy even though he's killed multiple innocent people before, including Coulson?
Are you not paying attention to the show? It's entire existence is based around the conflict of Loki and if he is stuck being this villain that is the whipping boy of every hero or if he can ascended that and be more. I mean the bad guy they were interrogating in the 2nd episode reminded everyone of that for those who forgot season 1. None of the other characters are expressing a conflict like this. Terrible whataboutism.
I think they're simply prioritizing the urgency of the situation with the temporal loom than properly focusing on Sylvie and Renslayer, like the missions' main focus was trying to find out what the deal was with the future Loki saw or getting Ms. Minutes then Victor Timely to help the TVA. Both Loki and Mobius had an opportunity to try to help Sylvie and Renslayer but chose to go back to the TVA.
>than properly focusing on Sylvie and Renslayer
Thats not true though. Sylvie has had multiple scenes now in multiple episodes to get angry and scream at Loki and act like he did something wrong when he did nothing wrong at all and it's all her fault. Not a single second of self reflection. Not a single second of "shit maybe Loki was right and I shouldn't have killed him". No she has her moronic McDonalds time line she needs to defend thats it.
Really, regarding Renslayer it's just that they immediately brought her back in the fold as a comedic character having this jokey repertoire with Loki and Morbius and I think after all she did, they shouldn't have that relationship again and she should be painted strictly as a evil character and she is not. There is no black and white with what she did, she is legit a bad person but the show refuses to acknowledge that.
There are 3 more episodes. The stuff I am complaining about can be addressed in them maybe but this stuff should have been addressed sooner not later. Sylvie should be walking around with regret for what she did. Renslayer should be seen as a straight up evil villain the type you kill on sight. None of how these characters are interacting with each other makes sense. Even Miss. Minutes who should arguably be the clear cut bad guy is going to get a sympathetic, she did all this bad stuff for love angle. This is really bad writing.
Mobius acts jokey around Revonna because he doesn't like being serious or dealing with personal shit, the previous episode established that.
All the characters are acting jokey and Mobius already showed last season that he can get serious when stuff is serious and they are in a serious situation. Stop justifying bad writing.
>Mobius already showed last season that he can get serious when stuff
Like when?
The last two episodes
Overall there's an odd angle where Loki our hero seems to be almost simpering and apologetic about the whole thing, and that's an awkward fit, but keep in mind there's more than just lighting that makes it seem like Sylvie was right. The Sacred Timeline bs meant killing off endless worlds and people, along with even stealing some of them, and that's a bad goal; Ravonna wants that back, also a bad goal. Sylvie killed HWR and made the timelines free and no more murders (in theory) and that's only bad because Loki was worried if HWR was telling the truth (he was). As far as our Lokis stand, one thinks a big frickup happened with temporary time freedom but ultimately an inevitable war with endless horrible Kangs, while the other sees it as she's the hero of the multi-timeline-verse and, if shit should go down again (specifically more Kangs) she just has to kill those guys too (a threat she doesn't properly assess but right mentality all in all). You'd be pissed if you were her too, your boy toy almost ruining your dethroning of a mass murdering villain because he was worried the guy wouldn't lie, followed by him (seemingly) bringing a fair deal of trouble to your cozy hideout timeline/home, followed by him wanting your help after turning on you, followed by him stopping you from trimming away spare Kangs and keeping the multiverse safe.
But all those extra things and issues she has to do was created by her because she was wrong and at no point is she acknowledging she made the wrong choice.
What was her wrong choice? Freeing the multiverse? Did you miss that that was good? Did you miss the re-bombing in S2 and the moment of tragic grief where B says "they're killing people"? Sylvie was right, she saved lifetimes and universes and unmasked the tva deception and ended the timeline-kidnapping. The only wrong part of that choice is it means Kangs to deal with but, being Marvel, villains will be dealt with
Did you watch season 1? Sylvie killed Kang for personal revenge and that's it. Not for any greater reason and you were shown almost instantly when Loki was sent to the bad time the repercussions of her choice.
Sylvie never made a wrong choice, she’s smart. JOKE-I is just a moron who has no sympathy for anyone else because he’s never dealt with trauma a day in his spoiled ass life.
>As far as our Lokis stand, one thinks a big frickup happened with temporary time freedom but ultimately an inevitable war with endless horrible Kangs, while the other sees it as she's the hero of the multi-timeline-verse and, if shit should go down again (specifically more Kangs) she just has to kill those guys too (a threat she doesn't properly assess but right mentality all in all). You'd be pissed if you were her too, your boy toy almost ruining your dethroning of a mass murdering villain because he was worried the guy wouldn't lie, followed by him (seemingly) bringing a fair deal of trouble to your cozy hideout timeline/home, followed by him wanting your help after turning on you, followed by him stopping you from trimming away spare Kangs and keeping the multiverse safe.
>"I'm right because I said so, and frick you for daring to disagree with me"
This garbage take falls through because Sylvie is using the exact same anti-logic Thanos used to halve the universe. Well, before the Celestials retroactively justified him.
But no, instead of questioning whether or not Kang is an actual danger the show supports Sylvie's impulse decision to the extent that Loki is somehow supposed to feel bad for thinking larger than the scope of one sad girl's life.
What about JOKE-I?
You're late to the party. Loki has been a joke since the end of Avengers 1 tbh.
Thinking of larger scope than Sylvie's life, it's still fricked up to prune timelines and basically kill trillions. We'll probably see how they'll deal with Kang in the upcoming movies but Loki S2 seems to be mainly dealing with adjusting the temporal loom to handle the multiverse so the TVA won't collapse.
>it's still fricked up to prune timelines and basically kill trillions.
You're missing my point here-other characters have actionable evidence that the alternative is EVERYONE dying to Kang, and none of the "free the multiverse" characters have demonstrated willingness or even acknowledgement of a greater multiversal threat resulting from solving the primary issue. The way Kang has been talked up it's absolutely braindead to expect Sylvie to be considered above criticism for not having an answer to that and just running away to be a fry cook. It's not that there IS any perfect solution here, it's that Sylvie is treated as being above criticism and absolved of the larger issues that smarter characters than her have repeatedly drawn attention to.
>We'll probably see-
It's a pretty bad sign for the MCU that right now the most compelling evidence for me that Sylvie might have a point is the fact that Kang has had very poor showings in every incarnation. On paper, the described scale of the Kang threat should be completely beyond the Avengers to deal with. In person, well...fricking ants.
Don't worry bro the Avengers, or actually the legacy characters from the previous Marvel franchises, will beat Kang then we can finally move on to X-Men.
Sure was convenient for Sylvie to Sparta kick Renfield into a time portal with the AI. No way this will come back to bite them in the ass.
I'm trying to imagine the version of the last episode of S1 where HWR has Victor's stutter. It's two hours long and you want to have a nice day by the half hour mark.
I can't help but think of Sherman Klump when I see Kang.
So will Victor's thing about not being like your other Kangs turn out to be true, or are his conman powers maximum
I think it was deliberate that HWR chose a Kang variant who was autistic and disliked working with partners as his successor and not a "rational" variant who would probably turn out more like Quantumania Kang.
Why does HWR even have a contingency plan when he offered the Lokis a choice with the idea that they would live with the consequences? What was the point of that?
The point was that He Who Remains just wanted to commit suicide because he was tired of moderating and running the timeline. He probably left a contingency plan for the TVA like a successor (whether that be a Loki or one of his varisnts) to give them a chance deal with the incoming multiversal war in his absence but HWR himself is out of the game and he's leaving it all up to them.
That kinda of spoils the who ending of season 1 though and gives the illusion of choice. Another example of a TV show shocking you and then in the next scene being like "yea forget that" aka bad writing.
It was still their choice, they're still going to have to contend with a shitload of Kangs invading and come up with a solution that doesn't involve genocide
I feel like I'm obligated to hate this show out of sheer hatred for Benson and Moorhead.
Are they going to do it lads? Is Ravonna going to end up being another Kang variant? Will we have two parallel competing incest love angles?
Honestly not sure because the rules with variants are all over the place. In the comics Victor Timely is just an alias but in the MCU it seems to be this Kang variant's actual birthname. So Ravonna could be a genderbent Kang variant with a different name, it's not far off from what Sylvie is to Loki after all. And she does go by Kang in some of the comics iirc.
But I think the big secret Miss Minutes is talking about is obviously that Ravonna and Kang used to rule the TVA together. You hear the recording in the first episode. The question is whether it was a different Ravonna and she was killed or did HWR just wipe her memory like the rest of staff before erasing his presence from the TVA and creating the Time-Keepers as a front?
Episode was fricking great. I love how much freedom they're getting with the show. The goofy ass music was awesome.
Also i have room temperatures IQ if that matters.
Am I the only one who finds Majors performance too cartoonish? I thought it fit He Who Remains but for Timely it comes off like a performance. Like I was legitimately expecting him to break character and reveal the stuttering professor thing was a facade. Maybe that's the point. By the end you realize he actually is like that and it's a red herring for Renslayer being the real threat of the season.
I have feeling Renslayer is a variant of Kang, same as Sylvie is for Loki
Yep. Had this exact thought.
That would be disappointing. She's her own character in the comics.
So is Sylvie
Who the heck is Sylvie?
Probably the Enchantress, who in one of her incarnations was named Sylvie
When will people stop pretending JOKE-I is anything less than a comic relief character with just a little bit of a backstory? I mean, he’s literally a side character. No one cares about him, he’s not popular, never has been, never will be, especially compared to Sylvie, Ms. Minutes or Kang. He has no characterization beyond a narcissistic comic relief who’s fricking Sylvie. It saddens me this Rick Sanchez (but stupid) /Eric Cartman/Homer Simpson-esque character was named after a Norse God. He’s a comic relief butthole. You could erase JOKE-I the moron and the show would still go on the same. JOKE-I is only good for funny memes
Anyways, beyond my hatred of JOKE-I the Tard meme noncharacter love interest, this show is amazing.
I’ve seen this homosexual pumping out threads simping for Sylvie/whining about Loki a lot, lately. Is this some new Schizo?
JOKE-I trying to show sympathy to Sylvie’s bad past and trauma in a nutshell.
Can Loki go back to being a sociopath who enjoys hurting others rather than an awkward non-Doctor Who anti-hero please? Last episode there were glimpses of that and it felt very refreshing.
He's an improvement over last season, at least with how he handled Brad in ep 2. But ironically even though they seem to be taking a lot of inspiration from Doctor Who with this show I feel like the Doctor gets a lot more anti-hero/menacing than Loki ever does here. I guess because in S1 they were trying so hard to rehabilitate him but I'd hope as the story goes on longer Loki embraces his villainous side more and more. Not to go back to being a megalomaniacal maniac, he's beyond that now, but a guy who's willing to get his hands dirty for a greater good.
>He's an improvement over last season, at least with how he handled Brad in ep 2
FRICKING WOW, talk about setting the bar low. I'm pretty sure I could beat season 1 Loki. Me. IRL.
We've come a long, long way from the days where Loki could fight Captain America hand to hand and get the better of him. And that's just sad because he seems more like the God of Knives than the Gods of Lies for how often he resorts to trying to shank everyone from Dr. Strange to Valkyrie instead of casting fricking magic outside before S2. And he's not even GOOD at it compared to Sylvie the moronic street rat.
The bar is that low. He was hardly even an antihero for most of S1.
Also 9 was more intimidating than Loki ever was at any point of the MCU. Hell, even 10 had his moments and 12 was an excellently intimidating Doctor trapped in a godawful run. Comparing Loki to Doctor Who before 13 is an insult to Doctor Who.
I feel like I would've enjoyed this series a lot more if it was a family-friendly sci-fi version of Hannibal.
Oh, definitely. If Chaos Walking, Dr. Strange 1 and Fantastic Beasts have proven anything it's that I can get a small amount of enjoyment from the most bottom-tier slop as long as it casts Mads Mikkelson as a villain somewhere in it.
And that hurts to say about Chaos Walking because I do like the books, just wasn't impressed by what I saw of the film
>move on to X-Men
Oh frick muties and their persecution complex. I hope Wanda lives just to snap them all away.
Best on how long it takes this time for someone to go "WE SHOULD DO THE DARK PHOENIX AGAIN" and kill the franchise THIS time? Seriously, have you noticed how consistent that shit is? Every time, every FRICKING time an X-Men director decides to adapt the Dark Phoenix they frick up EVERYTHING so badly it results in a reboot.
JOKE-I
>Le based black science man
Remember the "smart" Eternal?
>THE NUCLEAR BOMBERINO? MY FRICKING FAULT BECAUSE I TAUGHT THESE APES HOW TO BUILD A STEAM ENGINE AIEEEEEE
>Gets over it after a 1 minute conversation with his husband
>he gay btw
Actually it's more like "le autism lets me do the maths good" except somehow the story twists into him nearly getting raped by a clock.
GIWTWM
It’d be fine if they chose a Black person who actually looked smart or could act smart.
This moronic concave-skulled mouth reathing jiggaboo doesn’t know how to act, let alone act like a professor for shit. It’s like he’s a little kid doing his bad impression of a movie scientist, trying to act eccentric and cerebral and ending up just acting like he has down syndrome
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The High Evolutionary was a better Kang than Kang.
he only knows about advanced tech from the TVA guidebook and can't even get any of it working properly so just fakes his displays, so more like based black con man
Wrong board
So what does everyone think the twist with short-round is? There clearly is going to be one. He becomes evil and joins Kang?
Someone theorized he was actually a secret Kang variant, specifically Mr. Gryphon.
Mr. Gryphon already showed up.
>Clearly
I don't assume there's a twist. He's a loveable character cast by a loveable actor and his role thus far has been "we need a main character that actually knows what's going on." They're almost certainly gonna kill him off, tough. Not sure how but he's too good to stay. Granted I wouldn't doubt people were saying the same thing about Owen.
Imagine if they made Shortround the villain in cahoots with Miss Minutes the whole time
It would explain why he knows shit that every other TVA agent had no idea bout.
>It would explain why he knows shit that every other TVA agent had no idea bout.
Feels more like he wasn't affected by the memory wipe or whatever happened.
Perhaps HWR had a soft spot for OB if he also grew up reading his guidebook, so just sticks him in the supply closet rather than mindwipe.
He’s clearly on Kang’s level when it comes to inventing and building shit but he seems clueless otherwise.
Setting him up to be a Kang variant to take over Avengers 5 & 6 main villain duties in case Jonathan Majors gets convicted of toll collecting.
He could be a Kang variant as well
Isn't Oroborous a Mobius variant in the comics?
I think everyone in the tva is a Mobius variant in the comics.
still waiting for the Scarlet Centurion hitting on Carol
ide let the clock frick me. ide make her a body.
Same
For what possible purpose would Sylvie send Renslayer to TEoT for? Did she just assume she didn't have a tempad or miss minutes on her? Is she moronic? Oh Mrs "Ive Killed You Countless Times in My Head" suddenly has cold feet? Frick off
Ironic fate worse than death
I think Timely pinched the control pad from Ravonna and Sylvie figured he still had it, but Ravonna actually stole it back from Timely?
Yandere Miss Minutes was not on my bingo card
>Miss Minutes wants a physical body so she can get KANGED
>has to get Renslayer to toss the guidebook into lil Kang's room
>but we see during her kaiju rampage she can physically interact with objects when tearing down the flags
??????????
She might attract too much attention if she did it herself
Is it just that she needed someone to bring the book because she doesn’t use portals to travel and couldn’t bring a physical object with her?
I think she wanted a human body specifically to be frickable to Kang, not to be able to touch.
What would her human body even look like then?
Or hell, would it even be human? Or just a robot woman with a cartoon clock for a face?
MCU Jocasta here we come
same cartoon clock body, but physical and has holes
Was sacred timeline ever mentioned in Season 1?
Is it something they just threw at season 2 out of the blue?
Yeah it got brought up a lot how did you miss it?
Iuess its been while since season 1, I can barely recollect
The TVA characters were going on about how it must be protected in basically every scene, bub.
>Loki can teleport someone else away from him with the flick of a wrist
hmm would have been useful in *checks notes* every single action scene he's been in in the entire franchise
He lives and dies by toon logic.
Bugged me too. Why not have him make a shadow portal and push him through it?
Loki before:
Super-strength, durability, wiki says he has a healing factor (but I've yet to see the example of that in the movies themselves) and illusions. Simple enough.
Loki now:
Powers out of the ass.
Comic Loki had to come in to show him his true potential because Loki relied too much on daggers
I actually liked that. Loki was ashamed of his magic which is why he held back. Mommy issues. Old Loki told him magic is what being a Loki is. Now he's been using it non stop. I wish this could have happened sooner.
>Powers out of the ass.
He's basically just a mage now.
Sadly they didn't really do any of the illusions part.
Does anyone have a clip of Timely doing his little shuffle across the stage?
>when you beat the domestic violence allegations
how's the trial going
delayed for a third time until the 25th, which is usually good for the accused and implies prosecution needs more time
>The TVA thinks they have one on Foxy Kang, but he fools them.
>Sylvie is horribly unlikable
>she's end game
>Mobius likes Loki and is a better partner
>Mobius is being cucked
How is anyone enjoying this? I'm waiting for one scene that makes me see Sylvie differently and she gets worse every episode while Mobius gets better.
I want a scene at the end of this series of Loki and Mobius riding on jetskis.
At least they got on the bike.
I love how Loki was adamant about not getting on the bike, then a few scenes later we hear the fricking bell ring before the chase starts on foot, and lo and behold - the bike's in the background. Cute visual gag.
About everything he hates he does because Mobius likes it. It's a good running joke between them. It's cliche but they make it work. I wish the actual end game pair of this show was even half as entertaining because I'm going to end up hating how this show ends at this rate.
They made Sylvie cute last season and you felt bad for her. Now I don't even feel bad for her when she's clearly suffering. Her screaming at Loki and blaming him for nothing while he just stands there and takes it is making me start to hate her.
>villain is horny and just wants to get fricked
wat
>It's sympathetic when women do it.
>He Who Remains terrifies the shit out of Loki
What a pussy b***h
Wouldn't you be afraid of a batshit insane person in control over all of time?
they have to have characters tell us kang is intimidating.
since, you know, he doesn't ever actually do anything intimidating
tbh He Who Remains doing the Dio teleport thing was more unnerving than Kang in Ant-Man 3 was since he can time freeze kill anyone he wants while ant Kang's blasts randomly switch to non lethal and then his tech breaks if an ant pushes him
nothing can stop ANTS
I mean if the living proof that there's one man at the end of time, and he's insistent that his variants become multiversal conquerors that'd BTFO the Avengers, you'd be right to fear any one of them. I wonder if he'd be less worried if he knew Ant Man 3 happened .
So is this series trying to be Vertigo-like or something?
Season 3 apparently already in the works
I'm guessing it will be the last one to bridge all the Kang before Kang Dynasty. Especially now that a lot of the MCU D+ shows that were planned are getting written off or cancelled.
Season 2 is supposed to tell a full story according to interviews though. S1 was like the first half and this is the second. Season 3 would be a whole new jumping off point.
>I NEED YOUR BBC RIGHT NOW VICTOR
Is this a setup to bring Tara Strong into live-action?
I would be funny that way but unless they go back and create a new body like Vision, I can't see her being real.
Any webm requests?
Miss Minutes please
>Victor Timely chooses 2D > 3D
He's alright in my book.
I feel like it was a forced parallel for Mobius, Loki, and Sylvie. It's the only thing that makes betraying Renslayer so fast for the fricking clock make sense.
>Victor is the mischievous scamp that doesn't do partners like Loki in S1
>Renslayer is the better match and partner for him that gets betrayed like Loki did to Mobius in S1
>Victor goes for the clock who loves him but it's weird like Sylvie and the selfcest shit
The parallel falls off there because that's basically when the episode ends. No idea if it will continue into episode 4. I also have no idea why they are making this comparison either. Noticing a parallel is one thing but having no idea where it's going is kind of annoying like with a lot of shit set up in this show thus far.
Why do they keep giving Renslayer and Sylvie these holier than thou monologues and tirades when they're both clearly villains motivated purely for selfish reasons. Like why isnt Loki or Mobius calling them out on it, why do they just stand there and gawk at them while they suck their own dicks. I never thought I'd miss quipshit but both of these b***hes are in dire need of a Tony or a Peter to tell them to frick off and get over themselves
Wasn't Mobius telling Renslayer she had issues? She told him to shut up but that's better than Loki who just sits there like a moron.