And what's immediately? From the time you show up in A&E and wait twenty hours to get seen by some unqualified student wired to his fricking eyeballs who brushes you off and sends you out with some cough drops?
From the moment you get referred to an oncologist to see if it might be cancer and he repeatedly cancels your appointments after waiting two weeks for them because he's double booked every fricking timeslot that month?
Yes, all of this shit is from personal experience.
If you think European healthcare is good you're either a Black person with a third world mindset or you don't live here.
Listen you moronic mouthbreather i had deal to deal with a father having Cancer and currently my best friend who was diagnosed last year. In the first case treatment started in the second week in the second case right in the same week because it was urgent. And there was and never is any talk about money or " you cant afford this treatment ".
So shut the frick or let me say it to you in the wonderful words of my native language:
Halt dein dummes Maul du selten dämlicher Untermensch.
>t. Britbong who's only ever set foot in a hospital to go to A&E for minor injuries, and was outraged the triage process didn't send his minor booboo to the front of the line immediately.
He could be referencing to the real case of that Anglo who got his arm fricked up and they refused to do anything about it, but he didn't die as far as I know.
Whenever you actually read past the headlines of those kind of stories there's usually a reasonable explanation. The guy with the fricked up arm gets reposted a lot on /misc/ but if you actually read the article you find out that only one of the operations was cancelled because of problems at the hospital. He had several other appointments cancelled because his blood pressure wasn't within safe limits.
In any case, being able to find a handful of cases where government run healthcare systems fricked up doesn't change the overall picture: statistically they manage to deliver care as good or better than the US, often for a little as half the cost, and those costs aren't born by the patient.
>In any case, being able to find a handful of cases where government run healthcare systems fricked up doesn't change the overall picture: statistically they manage to deliver care as good or better than the US, often for a little as half the cost, and those costs aren't born by the patient.
>the time you show up in A&E and wait twenty hours to get seen by some unqualified student wired to his fricking eyeballs who brushes you off and sends you out with some cough drops?
More lies from coping ameritard mutts. This shit just doesn't happen. Your head is full of stereotypes (and shit) propagandized by the people who rob you.
You are a bunch of fricking idiots who get ROBBED by insurance companies and israelite hospitals. Admit it. Stop making shit up. Cope.
Why are we even bothering with specialists and tests when we have apparently omniscient doctors who can instantly and infallibly diagnose everyone who walks through the doors?
Because this is the problem, unless they can do that, long wait times will kill people. No matter how good the intake is, nobody can give an infallible prognosis, particularly not when doctors and nurses are overloaded and may not be able to take a proper case history. Which means that while yes, you need triage, you also need to see people in a timely manner.
>USA (Kaiser NorCal) >Call and describe symptoms (hematuria, basically). >Told to come in that afternoon for tests. >Get CT and ultrasound next day. >Get diagnosis in 2 days. Get 2nd opinion for treatment same day from oncologist in different city. >Get appt for surgery in less than two weeks. >No remission after 5 years.
Nah, I'm good.
He could be referencing to the real case of that Anglo who got his arm fricked up and they refused to do anything about it, but he didn't die as far as I know.
The NHS waiting lists post COVID already killed my grandad due to cancer screening being missed and subsequent treatment options requiring months of waiting. My dad has been confirmed with prostate cancer and his first consultation to discuss treatment is in August due to waiting lists
BUT
GET THIS
WAITING TO DIE IS _FREE_
IT'S FRICKING F R E E CHUD
IT'S FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I BET YOU IN AMERICA(which lives rent free in my head)CANNOT EVEN AFFORD TO WAIT
THIS IS WHY WE FRICKING NEED SOCIALISM AND ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT YOU CHUDS
The NHS waiting lists post COVID already killed my grandad due to cancer screening being missed and subsequent treatment options requiring months of waiting. My dad has been confirmed with prostate cancer and his first consultation to discuss treatment is in August due to waiting lists
>*gets put on waiting list for months* >*dies*
oops
in america you have to pay to wait unironically. it's what killed my mother. i'd rather have free waiting times nigs
If he already got diagnosed then he's way past being waitlisted. But I'm sure you also have some burger cope about le knife crime waiting in the wings.
I don't know what you're talking about then but I had a friend have a massive epileptic seizure in Paris. They were attended to immediately and walked away with a 14 Euro bill. That was after a CT scan to make sure they didn't have brain damage from falling over too.
If he already got diagnosed then he's way past being waitlisted. But I'm sure you also have some burger cope about le knife crime waiting in the wings.
>Gets put on waiting list >Ahmed Muhammad strolls in and gets immediate preferential treatment >Quality of care plummets as system is flooded beyond capacity with diseased foreigners expecting free care
So uh this doesn't make sense to me but maybe having nationalized healthcare makes it the same nationwide right? In the us this graph makes no sense because the hospitals in the ghetto would get 0 ratings and the nice ones in rich areas would get high ratings.
No you’re right. Nationalized healthcare like that everyone gets the same level of care, in America you get better care the better you’re insurance is. There’s a reason why rich people from Europe and Canada come to America for treatment, because if you can afford the care it’s better. Also the cost and money spent in America just shows the real problem with American health care, it’s too expensive and uncharged way more than in Europe. Nationalized healthcare won’t fix that. Before we even start talking about public or private health coverage we need to get the price fair and under control.
What do you expect? The system is under a bunch of strain and our growth depends on importing half a million people a year for which we don't have the housing for.
My testosterone levels have been fricked for the last year and a half and I just can't get in contact with a specialist so I'm basically stuck wanting to coom but barely being able to.
>That's based on 2007 - 2009 data so nearly 15 years out of date.
It also doesn't tell you anything about what they define as effective, safe, or co-ordinated. The fact that it lists "Equity" suggests that there's a specific axe to grind.
But even spending per capita is double for Americans what it is for the rest of the developed world.
>In any case, being able to find a handful of cases where government run healthcare systems fricked up doesn't change the overall picture: statistically they manage to deliver care as good or better than the US, often for a little as half the cost, and those costs aren't born by the patient.
Top tier shit post.
You know, calling something a shitpost doesn't actually refute any of the points it makes. But thanks for giving me another (you) I guess.
>healthcare expenditures >conveniently fails to distinguish out-of-pocket expenses from insurance premiums and/or explicit taxation for national programs.
>It also doesn't include insurance costs. You don't want them to include that information. It would only make their argument stronger.
Yeah, no.
I have a family of four and I pay $213 a month for FULL COVERAGE
Vision
Dental
Health
Orthodontics
for all of us. Copays are $15 and all prescriptions are free.
That's being subsidized by your job.
The average cost of insurance for a family of 4 is $1400.
So your job is covering $1200 of that. Which you would otherwise be getting in your salary.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Rather frick over my company out of 80% of my insurance cost than pay 60% income tax so Streetshitters can have 40 kids.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're not fricking your company over. Benefits are part of your salary. Without them your salary would go up after taxes. Not down.
Because your job is paying for it you actual moron. Do you think the money just up and disappears?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Because your job is paying for it you actual moron
So? I work there. Why should me or my work pay for you lazy fricks? And I still make 4x the average europoor income lol
Eat shit commies
2 years ago
Anonymous
The hell are you talking about? I was just pointing out that your employer is the one paying for it, and they get tax write-offs so you’re not “fricking” anyone over. You give us burgers a bad name.
That's being subsidized by your job.
The average cost of insurance for a family of 4 is $1400.
So your job is covering $1200 of that. Which you would otherwise be getting in your salary.
If your insurance comes from your employer then they're taking it from your wages.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thanks moron, I'm well aware.
But you mean exactly like Europe, except I have access to better Healthcare?
The waitlist meme is a complete myth made by insurance company lobbyists. Study looking at wait times between Americans and Canadians found no discernible difference in wait times for emergency treatment and near neglible wait times for non emergencies(AKA medical care that can literally wait).
Health insurance is a scam. They bargain with hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to make oop costs high so that people are basically forced to get insurance if they have any medical issues/concerns. And because the insurance companies make more money the less they have to pay for your care they will try to find every reason to deny coverage. The reality is that healthcare worker wages and treatment cost could stay the same or even rise with universal healthcare and it would still be cheaper on average since you’d no longer be paying for the billions in profit insurance companies take in year after year.
Case in point, the average American pays more between private and subsidized care than literally all but 1 developed country
>Study looking at wait times between Americans and Canadians found no discernible difference
that study conflated medicaid and private hospital treatments since I know for a fact you can get instant treatment by simply paying everywhere in the world
Ameritards are so cucked that they will actually MAKE SHIT UP to justify their slavery to the most israelited health system on the planet.
I guess the alternative would be admitting that they're stupid pieces of shit who get fleeced at every turn ($800 per month in insurance and then you have to pay the first $15k out of pocket? Best country on Earth!). So they kinda have to make shit up to feel less like the mongoloid cattle they are.
t. european. We get your same drugs and treatments for 1/100th of the cost. No "months of waiting" for urgent conditions, mongoloid. Immediate treatment.
I've never met an American who denies the israelited up costs associated with American Healthcare. Most of them understand that this is the fault of government regulation in favor of medical corporations.
I can say I've never met a eurocuck who doesn't make excuses for single payer systems though.
I have Canadian and US citizenship and I pay less tax and a small portion for health insurance and my company pays the rest. It’s orders of magnitude better in the US because you can be seen for any medical need immediately and get procedures done whenever you need/want them. Also you can choose the doctors and surgeons you see.
If I got terminal lung cancer I would be out $4,000, my maximum out of pocket. I pay $74 a month now for full coverage PPO and all prescriptions are $5.
If it's even slim chance you are at risk they get you sorted. My mom had thyroid cancer in Canada and it was hardly life threatening and they still got it cut out and her on medication in no time at all
The only time it's shit is at the ER. I waited 4.5 hours for some stitches when I cut my chin open
You’re probably right.
They lost free college
They lost student loan cancellation
They lost single payer “healthcare”
They lost CRT
They lost Roe
They’ll lose gay marriage
They’ve pushed the normiesphere to far. Unironically, and hilariously, they literally committed suicide because they couldn’t control themselves. It’s fricking perfect kek
They didn't push the normiesphere too far. The republican democrats blocked all that stuff, and Roe was lost because of Trump getting 3 fricking judicial appointments after losing by 3 million votes. One of which didn't even happen during his term in office.
It's all political skullduggery.
Someone that loves a country or some kind of organization they belong to will try to change it from within rather than flee. You'd understand if you had principles.
>can't even get into the Doctor's office to have this conversation because they left him in the waiting room for fourteen hours every time he showed up, appointment or no
Forgot to add that the only good thing about British healthcare is that the Pakis who are born of incest in these lands are disproportionately killed by how shit it is.
>they left him in the waiting room for fourteen hours every time he showed up
That simply does not happen. All the horror stories about socialized healthcare have been invented by the same industries who keep robbing you.
You pay 100x what we pay for the same treatments. You're a bunch of fricking idiots. No amount of lies will change this.
Cope.
In Australia I was biopsied and scanned. Confirmed the diagnosis and then checked into a ward with free treatment within a week. Total cost of care for 4 months of chemo was $200 for medication while not in the facility.
Wtf I love free stuff now. Frick that mutt place you are talking about. I bet that mutt place has a higher concentration of unvaccinated individuals because it wasn't free. I love free stuff redistributed by the government
You guys were also forcibly locked up longer than just about any other country even when it was plainly apparent that even draconian measures failed to stop covid
They did it for your own good. Y'know, healthcare when you tacitly permit the government to make medical decisions for you because they hold it over your head that they (actually you taxes lol) pay for it.
You don't have free healthcare. The government pays for it with your money and tells you they paid for it.
Americans will try and bash our system with strawman bullshit about lockdowns but cannot accept that Australia's already figured out how to live perfectly.
Checkmate muttards
I never understood this joke, or the similar one where Walt lives in Canada and the whole series end on the first episode.
I mean, isn't the main statement of this joke that we would never have this marvel of a show if the US healthcare wasn't the way it is?
Be my guest, but I'd rather have Walter White be Heisenberg, it's way more entertaining than the show never existing.
>"looks like you coughed up blood and collapsed, take 3 paracetamol daily and call us if you feel worse in 3 months" >"you were here 3 months ago with the same problem? well, I trust my colleague's judgement, but just in case lets do a CT scan. are you available in 5 months?" >"if we would've caught it sooner, say 8 months ago, then we could've helped you"
Evropean here.
Yes, it's literally like this.
I have a friend with a similar story (Sweden).
Couldn't eat, constant pain, lost weight (was down to ~45kg).
Told by local doctors to eat more and take some painkillers.
After over a year, his family finally got through with demands for some kind of checkup, was cancer.
He's alive and well except for being sterile because of the cancer and treatment.
Canada here. They killed an in law of mine. Diagnosed liver cancer, used surgery to treat. It didn't work. He went to the US, and they told him "We could have saved you, but because they cut out so much of your liver, the treatments that would have worked will now kill you, we're going to do the best we can".
>t. Britbong who's only ever set foot in a hospital to go to A&E for minor injuries, and was outraged the triage process didn't send his minor booboo to the front of the line immediately.
[...]
Whenever you actually read past the headlines of those kind of stories there's usually a reasonable explanation. The guy with the fricked up arm gets reposted a lot on /misc/ but if you actually read the article you find out that only one of the operations was cancelled because of problems at the hospital. He had several other appointments cancelled because his blood pressure wasn't within safe limits.
In any case, being able to find a handful of cases where government run healthcare systems fricked up doesn't change the overall picture: statistically they manage to deliver care as good or better than the US, often for a little as half the cost, and those costs aren't born by the patient.
>We've investigated ourselves and determined we were not at fault. Trust the system, clap for the NHS.
Honestly, what pisses me off more than anything else is the way the problems the US has are used to explain away the problems with other healthcare systems. "Yes, people are dying waiting for an ambulance, and we will never let anyone count the number of people we kill through the system being too inefficient to treat them properly, but OOOOOOHHH! SCARY US HEALTHCARE!"
>anecdotal evidence steeped in emotion
What great scientific stats or medical information!
No wait, the other thing. Lying idiots on the internet.
Your in-law was DOA from the start, burgers weren't going to save your in-law.
>fingers in ears >screaming >amerrrrica BAD!! >mommy government gib me free everything >I can’t into life and bring a functional adult like the hundreds of millions of people all around me >vive Che!!
'out ranks' is overstating a 2-5% difference in survival rates for common cancers compared to Canada and most European countries. What you've also overstated is the fact that once you stop looking at lung, prostate, stomach or breast cancer figures, that slight lead disappears. Also don't forget the absurd financial burden that comes with cancer treatment in the US, especially for less common cancers.
Again, my financial burden is 0. Please get cancer and let me know if you're okay to leave 5% on the table.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>my financial burden is 0
Now I know you're moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Let me rephrase it, addressing points we have already gone over.
Due to my employer paid Healthcare, my wages may be lower than they would be had I worked the same position without Healthcare, but if I were diagnosed with cancer tomorrow, I would not see a bill for a single cent.
I have a friend with a similar story (Sweden).
Couldn't eat, constant pain, lost weight (was down to ~45kg).
Told by local doctors to eat more and take some painkillers.
After over a year, his family finally got through with demands for some kind of checkup, was cancer.
He's alive and well except for being sterile because of the cancer and treatment.
Canada here. They killed an in law of mine. Diagnosed liver cancer, used surgery to treat. It didn't work. He went to the US, and they told him "We could have saved you, but because they cut out so much of your liver, the treatments that would have worked will now kill you, we're going to do the best we can".
[...]
>We've investigated ourselves and determined we were not at fault. Trust the system, clap for the NHS.
Honestly, what pisses me off more than anything else is the way the problems the US has are used to explain away the problems with other healthcare systems. "Yes, people are dying waiting for an ambulance, and we will never let anyone count the number of people we kill through the system being too inefficient to treat them properly, but OOOOOOHHH! SCARY US HEALTHCARE!"
Same happened to my nan. She had stomach cancer that they kept telling her was an ulcer until one day they were like, "oh shit actually it's cancer and you're terminal". Nearly happened to my mom too but with gallstone complications, fortunately it was caught in time.
They just sat at her desk and rifled through some meaningless files. I don't know which is a bigger joke: the boomers mulling about as they croak from the excitement or the way the media treats this as some military coup.
It was kind of embarrassing but on the other hand it was the only time in modern history that boomers did something. They got out of their chairs, off their scooters, and on their feet so that they could move through the Capitol, even if in slow motion. That makes it worth something.
>family goes bancrupt thanks to higher taxes anyways >mr white has to cook meth regardless of beeing sick or not >junior shits the flloor >tuco walks the dinosour
the end
>europeans: america is such an uncivilized barbaric country lmao >also europeans: *continues to migrants in droves from their poor yurop shitholes to america*
A COUPLE EPISODES IN WALTER WHITE GOES TO HIS OLD FRIEND'S HOUSE AND COULD HAVE ASKED THEM FOR MONEY FOR TREATMENT.
BREAKING BAD WAS NEVER ABOUT FREE HEALTHCARE BUT ABOUT MASCULINITY, HOW A TRAMPLED ON FATHER AND HUSBAND FINALLY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING FOR HIS GODDAMN SELF
I'm a bong and that was my post you replied to. The show literally answers the question about healthcare in that Gray Matter episode which is why I get so fricking pissed off every time I see it brought up. I don't give a frick about American Healthcare at all. It becomes a non-entity after that episode. It was never about paying for his cancer and always about him as a person.
>Masculinity is dying of cancer instead of asking for help?
America in Primetime Episode 2: Man of the House, discusses fatherly roles in tv shows from the 1950s to the modern day. You can see how it went from "father knows best" in the 50s to "father is the butt of the joke but tries" ala most sitcoms to the modern "fatherhood roles in crisis" like Tony Soprano or Walter White. The show even has an interview with Bryan Cranston.
Walter White could have sucked up his pride and asked for help but didn't. The show near the finale even outright explains this, he did it for himself, he even talks to those rich friends again. Masculinity in modern times has been shaped by all its critics. Walter White tries to be a good responsible person and what does him get him? Nothing. All that responsibility doesn't make his life happy. What is the point of having a wife that hates you and be in a dead end job? Masculinity is him taking control of his life for the first time, even if it leads him down a bloody path.
I FRICKING LOOOOOVE THE SAME THREADS DAY IN AND OUT! I LOVE IT! I RELISH THE CHANCE TO REPLY AND STATE MY SAME THOUGHTS ON THE SAME TOPIC! I'M AUTISTIC! I LOVE ROUTINES AND ORDERLY REPOSTS! A WHEEL OF THE SAME CONTENT BECAUSE moronS RESPOND! IT'S GREAT! WHO DOESN'T LOVE A CLASSIC, AM I RIGHT? AN OLDIE BUT A GOLDIE AS I SAY. WE MIGHT HAVE COVERED THIS TOPIC TO DEATH BUT WHAT'S THAT MATTER? MAYBE WE MISSED SOMETHING! WE SHOULD REACH 300 REPLIES EASILY OF THE SAME FRICKING SHIT THE LAST TIME THIS WAS POSTED. I LOVE IT
He is right. As much as i love to make leftists butthurt, we should have more options for sick people. Specially with how much money we spend in bailouts and other useless crap
The artist who drew that clearly didn't even watch the series, or even finish season 1 at the very least. Probably just read the Wikipedia synopsis, and that's being generous.
>have simple problem like gallstone >go to "free" hospital >spend 6 hours on wait >see doctor >can't do ultrasound >can't do MRI >tell me to seek a doctor that can treat me
to call that a coup attempt is disrespectful to the many countries in which the usa imposed and financially supported dictatorships and destablisation attempts.
Other countries can only afford to do this because America's insanely overpriced medical treatment fuels production and R&D.
Not saying I'm happy about it. But basically you're all getting hyper-advanced healthcare at pre-industrial prices while we get the shaft.
Not to mention the U.S army subsidizes European defense. Doubtful they could afford "free" Healthcare if they had to maintain an actual military force.
Don't care, not paying for other people's healthcare. Call me a scrooge but I think the healthiest and fittest should survive and not be taxed. I hate poor people. I'm disappointed in roe v wade being overturned though because that means there are going to be more of them. They are gonna revolt like wienerroaches eventually.
My other controversial opinion is that Americans don't work hard enough, we're competing against places like China where they are happy to work till 3 am and even sleep in the factory, they are proud of their work and duty. Americans are lazy, we get taxed too much making it even more discouraging to work hard.
"Just work way harder for even less money, you lazy Americans!"
No. My grandfather's generation worked less hours and made more money, all while affording what was considered "first world" standard of living. I'd rather let the whole thing blow up than bust my own ass sustaining mediocrity.
>regurgitating an elon musk tweet
the chinese take such pride in their work that the higher ups put nets around the foxcon facilities so the workers can jump on them like trampolines as a reward
>Call me a scrooge
Okay, but I'll call you stupid first. The US healthcare system is so inefficient it takes up twice the percentage of GDP that all the other major first world nations spend on healthcare. It's a massive drain on the US economy.
And that's without even taking into account the fact that the US healthcare system leaves people who could otherwise be productive workers with long-term health problems that stop them working, simply because they can't come up with the cash up front.
Not to mention that there's no reason you can't get sick too and if you think your insurance won't try to screw you if you ever need them for something expensive, you're incredibly naïve.
And finally, paying for other people's healthcare is the whole POINT of health insurance you moron. You pool your contributions together then when someone needs healthcare they get to draw from the money you paid in.
>it takes up twice the percentage of GDP that all the other major first world nations spend on healthcare. It's a massive drain on the US economy.
This is complete bullshit
Lol, keep defending your insurance company overlords. Not only do they make it so you pay for others healthcare, but they make sure to take a nice fat cut after they deny your daughters cancer coverage
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him but I pay 75 dollars every two weeks for healthcare. My wife pay's 210 for her and our son. it really isn't expensive.
>using averages in the country with the largest wealth gap in history
Keep being happy that other people in your nation have billions of dollars.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Keep being happy that other people in your nation have billions of dollars.
Oh I will. America is awesome for the fact that some Americans are billionaires. Way fricking cooler than countries without billionaires. I think a good way of describing Europe is "America, if there were no billionaires". Europeans arent any richer, they just dont have any super-rich among them.
Typical moron can’t do basic math
>Healthcare vs income American
22%
>healthcare vs income Germany >16%
Lol, keep defending your insurance company overlords. Not only do they make it so you pay for others healthcare, but they make sure to take a nice fat cut after they deny your daughters cancer coverage
I dont understand your 22% vs 16% thing.
I used to live in Germany, and I had to buy health insurance just like I do now in the US. It costs the same. I also got denied things when I live in Germany. The key difference I can recall is that in Germany it was illegal for me to not buy healthcare, compared to America where I had the right to not buy healthcare (which I exercised).
But you're spending that money for absolutely no increase in healthcare effectiveness. You're right, America is considerably richer than the western European nations. You should have much higher living standards. And yet you don't because a huge amount of that wealth is lost to inefficiencies like this. US GDP per capita may be higher but median income is hovering around the same mark as western European countries, and all the indicators of quality of life - life expectancy, quality of education, crime, etc - are mediocre at best (or in the case of crime much, much worse). Your high overall wealth is the only thing keeping you afloat.
Based on the size of its economy, America should be a paradise, but instead it's decaying. For the past couple of decades you've been resting on your laurels and letting your society break down around you because of lazy, short-sighted thinking, and selfishness masquerading as pragmatism.
> But you're spending that money for absolutely no increase in healthcare effectiveness
I think this is true. Healthcare just isnt doing much for anyone. Seems that America and the whole world is spending money on healthcare that does next to nothing.
> You should have much higher living standards
We do. Almost every American has air conditioning. Almost no one in Germany has air conditioning. We live in bigger houses. The food in our grocery stores is better. We have a better selection of food and restaurants.
In Germany, and much of NW Europe, vegetable produce literally begins to rot on the shelves in summer months. Its called "Rot month" and flies will be all over the food. When my wife would by broccholli it would often have bugs inside the produce. Americans would never live like that.
> US GDP per capita may be higher but median income is hovering around the same mark as western European countries
No even US median income is higher than that of say, France, UK and Germany. The disparity becomes even bigger when you look at after tax income. Look at this picture I just googled up comparing countries in some kind of international dollar unit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Europeans arent any richer, they just dont have any super-rich among them.
Which means the same is true of you.
You arent any better off.
Other people are - because they exploit you - and you praise them for it.
You are bragging that people are standing on your neck.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bizarre LARP or Germany is a bigger shithole than I thought
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Almost every American has air conditioning. Almost no one in Germany has air conditioning
Because almost no one in germany needs air conditioning. Even the northern US states have warmer climates than northern Europe (or at least, warmer summers; the inland states have a wider range of temperatures, with harsher winters as well). Also, the houses are built to handle the local climate, unlike American developers who tend to follow a more cookie-cutter approach and then rely on artificial climate control.
>We live in bigger houses.
This is more a function of your geography, coupled with a very different ethos regarding housebuilding (i.e. Europeans build houses to last, American's throw up cheap shit quickly).
>The food in our grocery stores is better.
I went to America just before the pandemic and this is absolutely not true. I was actually shocked by just how shitty everything was compared to what I can get in the UK. And I visited both LA and San Francisco, among other places.
>In Germany, and much of NW Europe, vegetable produce literally begins to rot on the shelves in summer months >Its called "Rot month" and flies will be all over the food
Maybe this is a German thing, but I have never seen anything remotely like this.
>Look at this picture I just googled up comparing countries in some kind of international dollar unit.
I'm not sure what they're using to get those figures but according to wikipedia the US is a lot closer to the higher-end European countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what I can get in the UK
There must be some secret stores somewhere in the UK, then.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I was actually shocked by just how shitty everything was compared to what I can get in the UK.
Frick off. We don’t have near the grocery store options here that the yanks do. Everything else you said is probably a lie as well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
this. euros love to talk shit about burgers but they’re just as moronic and are perpetuating the downfall of western civilization just as much if not more. they’re just seething that they’re not the main characters of this shitshow.
But you're spending that money for absolutely no increase in healthcare effectiveness. You're right, America is considerably richer than the western European nations. You should have much higher living standards. And yet you don't because a huge amount of that wealth is lost to inefficiencies like this. US GDP per capita may be higher but median income is hovering around the same mark as western European countries, and all the indicators of quality of life - life expectancy, quality of education, crime, etc - are mediocre at best (or in the case of crime much, much worse). Your high overall wealth is the only thing keeping you afloat.
Based on the size of its economy, America should be a paradise, but instead it's decaying. For the past couple of decades you've been resting on your laurels and letting your society break down around you because of lazy, short-sighted thinking, and selfishness masquerading as pragmatism.
>US above Luxembourg, Norway, Switzerland
I assume this isn't based off the median then. Either way all of that excess income is swallowed up by stuff Americans have to pay for that Europeans don't. Imagine literally having to pay JUST for a consultation, absolutely hellish
Are you rich yourself? Congrats, then it literally doesn't matter where you live. You can live like a king in Sri Lanka or Tuvalu or Madagascar or wherever the frick else, so long as you have the money
are we actually gonna menory hole the time libs took over an entire city block and made it wn autobomous zone and raided police stations? and literally raided city hall? and burned down cities for almost half a year?
Not what the show was about at all. Walter had health insurance, he was a teacher. He just wanted to leave money for his family since he was the sole income earner for his family, and a teachers salary can’t typically afford 2 kids, a wife, and a house by itself.
Anyway, want to talk about facts? Let’s talk about them. America has the 5th median income in the world, the 8th lowest tax burden among OECD countries and a higher disposable income than all of Europe. What Americans pay in health insurance premiums and deductibles, Europeans pay for through taxes and lower incomes (as your employers pay higher taxes and this pay you less). All in all it’s pretty relative, middle-upper class Americans probably have more money to spend and can afford more things than their counterparts in Europe, and lower classes are probably better off on Europe. America could have systems like in Europe but why would we want that? Why would I, as a middle class American, want to make less money and pay more in taxes so that poor people can have cheaper healthcare or college? Maybe if I lived in a homogenous country I’d be ok with that, but I have no interest in lowering my quality of life for Black folk and spics. And as the rapid browning and depopulation of whites in Europe continues you euros will finally see why we feel this way. In 30 years you’ll be wishing you had a system like americas, unless you’re a literal cuck who enjoys paying for muhammads and Jamal’s health.
You post that the UK is 87% white, yet over 25% of people born there are not white. I don’t deny that America is further ahead of Europe, Canada, and Australia, but you’re delusional if you don’t realize they’re right behind us following in our footsteps. So what exactly am I coping about when I say you guys will understand when you get further down the path and see what it’s like. It seems like the only coping here is you trying to deny that white replacement isn’t happening in Europe, Canada, and Australia.
>What Americans pay in health insurance premiums and deductibles, Europeans pay for through taxes and lower incomes
Factually untrue. America is being utterly ripped off by the insurance companies you furiously defend.
Is it possible to have single payer healthcare and small government? I want healthcare to be free at point of service but want the government to be small.
"small government" is a meme that doesn't mean anything.
If you mean you want to pay less for healthcare then nationalizing it does that. It cuts out a frickton of pointless profiteering middlemen and other bullshit.
It won't be free, but your tax costs will be less than your insurance costs.
In addition to a thousand other little benefits. Like not relying on your job for health insurance, no coverage denials, no copays, no out of network horseshit, etc.
>hurr durr I will intentionally not post tax rates and this tactic will surely work
Also the life expectancy is due to niggs and beaners. Google obesity rates and life expectancy by race.
Normal, actual human beings (whites and only whites) have 80+ year life expectancy in the US
I think it just turned out that life expectancy has a lot less to do with the quantity of cash you poured into your medical budget. Elderly white Americans have the same life expectancy as elderly white Europeans. The US life expectancy is brought down by the diversity of our make up and life styles. A lot of why US life expectancy is lower is because we have a much larger number of young people doing risky and destructive things, like getting into car accidents and doing drugs.
>Almost every American has air conditioning. Almost no one in Germany has air conditioning
Because almost no one in germany needs air conditioning. Even the northern US states have warmer climates than northern Europe (or at least, warmer summers; the inland states have a wider range of temperatures, with harsher winters as well). Also, the houses are built to handle the local climate, unlike American developers who tend to follow a more cookie-cutter approach and then rely on artificial climate control.
>We live in bigger houses.
This is more a function of your geography, coupled with a very different ethos regarding housebuilding (i.e. Europeans build houses to last, American's throw up cheap shit quickly).
>The food in our grocery stores is better.
I went to America just before the pandemic and this is absolutely not true. I was actually shocked by just how shitty everything was compared to what I can get in the UK. And I visited both LA and San Francisco, among other places.
>In Germany, and much of NW Europe, vegetable produce literally begins to rot on the shelves in summer months >Its called "Rot month" and flies will be all over the food
Maybe this is a German thing, but I have never seen anything remotely like this.
>Look at this picture I just googled up comparing countries in some kind of international dollar unit.
I'm not sure what they're using to get those figures but according to wikipedia the US is a lot closer to the higher-end European countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income
> Because almost no one in germany needs air conditioning.
No you definitely need air conditioning. Americans who live at the same climate as Germans all have air conditioning. 100% of them. Americans in Alaska have air conditioning.
>This is more a function of your geography, coupled with a very different ethos regarding housebuilding
Europeans would enjoy big houses just like Americans would.
> I was actually shocked by just how shitty everything was compared to what I can get in the UK. And I visited both LA and San Francisco, among other places.
What was so bad about US grocery stores?
The biggest grocery store I ever saw in Germany, was about a small / medium sized grocery store in the US. The quantity and diversity of options is smaller. There was always something missing from the shelves in Germany. I could never get everything I wanted when I visited the grocery store in Germany, because something was missing.
>Maybe this is a German thing, but I have never seen anything remotely like this.
I experienced it directly, but I have heard it is common in Scandinavia as well.
>I'm not sure what they're using to get those figures but according to wikipedia the US is a lot closer to the higher-end European countries.
Those are the same figures. The wikipedia you shared are the same I believe. Countries are in the same relative standing, and the US has a median incomes of 42,800, where as most European countries are closer to 30k
>gets put into a waiting list for 3 years to see a doctor >that doctor puts you on a waiting list to see another docotor for more years >"sorry anon, it's too late to do anything about it now"
This is pretty much how it goes in Sweden.
These "jokes" are shit and so are the bits about not just taking Elliot and Gretchen's money. The cost of treatment is only part of it. He suddenly realizes he has very limited time to live, but he wants to provide for his family long-term.
I had a bad headache that I looked up might have been cause of a hypertension issue.
I immediately booked an appointment with a cardiologist (ie a specialist) with 0 referral or even a discussion with my GP. We had an exam and then I went back for an echocardiogram a week later. No damage to heart but BP was elevated. Got on some weakish pills to get it down and keep it there. Saw my GP next month and we agreed it was the right thing to do.
Cost out of pocket? $30 specialist copay, $20 GP copay, $5 for 90 days worth of pills with refills
Time? less than 3 weeks.
Trouble with insurance? 0
America isn't so bad if you know how to actually use the tools available to you. People don't go to the doctor, they don't do preventative care, and they don't know the extent of their own insurance coverage.
If I was a Eurocuck or a Canadian I'd still be twisting in the wind.
It's absolutely amazing just how well trained Americans are when it comes to defending their healthcare, they actually still pay MORE in their taxes than the countries that have a national health care
>Private insurance is better because I don’t want to pay for others healthcare! >Insurance companies work by having people pay for others healthcare
>Yea but I get quicker treatment because other people will get denied coverage so IM UP FRONT >what do you mean I got denied coverage for my ass cancer and have to pay 10 gorillion dollars up front?
First, you notice you have a problem and book an appointment.
Wait 2 months to talk to some random motherfricker.
1st appointment, doctor asks you what you've been doing to cope
"Okay do that same thing for a month, and let's see what happens"
*cha ching €€€*
2nd appointment, a month later
6. "Oh it didn't work? Like you said during our first, well... Let's get an expert to look at it.... ummm nextt month okay?"
*cha ching €€€*
3rd appointment
*same as the first only the wienersucking lab coat wearing c**t believes you even less because he's got a degree*
*cha ching €€€*
4th appointment
The expert is ready to analyze the problem, 50/50 chance he finds fricking nothing, tells you to keep coping
*cha ching €€€*
Give up or repeat until you luck out and meet a doctor who isn't a complete frickwad.
....oh and *cha ching €€€*
TL;DR:
It's not one and done, EVERY VISIT COSTS and you'll be back multiple times.
And don't forget, comparatively, you make less money than you would in America so..... yeah.
What country do you live in? In the UK you have to pay absolutely nothing, and I know in a lot of other countries any up-front charges can be claimed back through their universal health insurance.
Meanwhile in the US you can pay through the nose for health insurance and still have to pay several hundred bucks for routine treatment.
>You pay higher taxes and still have to pay out of pocket
Are you stupid? No you don't pay anything out of your pocket, that's the whole point of a national health service, and Americans pay more in taxes, seethe more
I'm mainly anti-universal healthcare because the unnecessary modern "treatments" I received when I was young have actually done me more harm than good in the long run.
UK healthcare is getting worse and worse but in my experience >call at 8:30 for a same day appointment or do an online consultation for a next day appointment >GP does basic checks, refers you to someone else or in my case they just did a blood test there and then >turned out nothing was wrong with me
In A&E, when I had a broken arm or a septic finger the most I've ever waited was a couple of hours. Can't say I've ever had cancer so I don't know what that would be like but my experiences have seemed quite efficient honestly
Eh, no, the hospitals set the prices, but the insurance insists on negotiating. To get the prices they want, they overestimate the cost. It's the hospitals that don't bother changing their billing when dealing with individuals.
>go to doctor >Be sent to expert the following week >Booked in for chemo >Go home and frick wife
It's not that hard you northern hemisphere freaks
Captcha: (all) MYWAT
I hate this moronic mindset. You want to get rid of the poor, not help them keep living a poor lifestyle. Healthcare for the wealthy so that only the wealthy can live long lives, wouldn't that be the best possible outcome?
Yes.
The first means the government can't restrict your rights.
The second means the gov't doesn't restrict you getting medical care.
Learn self sufficiency, loser.
You cannot force anyone to give you a weapon. You cannot force a doctor to diagnose you.
The government cannot forbid you from owning weapons (but it does anyway). The government should not forbid you from seeking medical treatment (but it does anyway).
We do have a right to medical care. Just like I have a right to free speech, where I can say what I want, I have a right to medical care, where I can buy what medical care I want.
The "right to medical care" you describe is stealing from one party and giving to another. That is much like a freedom of speech being some kind of mandatory oath that you have to recite.
But even spending per capita is double for Americans what it is for the rest of the developed world.
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You know, calling something a shitpost doesn't actually refute any of the points it makes. But thanks for giving me another (you) I guess.
>But even spending per capita is double for Americans what it is for the rest of the developed world?
And? Americans probably spend twice as much on cars, but you wouldnt say we are impoverished of automobiles. The opposite would be true. We enjoy lots of automobiles! More than others.
>where I can buy what medical care I want
Unless it makes busybody Boomers uncomfortable like abortion or assisted suicide. Then it's time for common sense medical care.
I think abortion and suicide ought to be legal, but to be honest I dont see how they are medical care.
Almost all abortions are just people who dont want kids. I wouldn't call a condom medical care, and that serves the same purpose as an abortion.
Anyway, I dont mean to dispute your point. I wish we had even more medical freedoms here in the US. I wish we didnt have an FDA that banned many useful medications. I wish I could go to a doctor and just pay cash up front for care I want. I wish we had these freedoms but we dont.
>Europeans arent any richer, they just dont have any super-rich among them.
Which means the same is true of you.
You arent any better off.
Other people are - because they exploit you - and you praise them for it.
You are bragging that people are standing on your neck.
No someone being rich next to me is not someone doing any harm to me. A society where some people are rich is a better one than one where no one is rich. "Let some people get rich first" is a quote I love from communist dictator Deng Xiaoping. Indeed a society with wealth diversity is a tolerant one.
If you don't want to participate in society, don't be in one. Go be selfish innawoods
Whatever. I like society but I also do in fact live in the woods.
Bizarre LARP or Germany is a bigger shithole than I thought
It is all true my friend. Let me know which parts you doubt.
>being rich next to me
What a strange way to describe a vampire.
You are blind if you dont understand how billionaires only exist through the exploitation of taxpayers.
Bezos came up with a good idea and implemented it by offering customers a better deal.
Musk came up with a way to make online purchases easier and cheaper for both sides.
I don't see the exploitation, commie.
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>I don't see the exploitation, commie.
As I said - you are blind.
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Anonymous
That's your comeback?
Tell me how we are exploited, dumbass.
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By the government tax dodges and handouts given to the ultra wealthy to keep being ultra wealthy at the expense of you.
By legal systems designed to keep them up and you down.
By propaganda designed to mold you mind into thinking they "exist next to you" instead of standing on you.
By destroying competition and the chance for anyone else to reach their level while encouraging you to join into the game they have already won to try.
Tell me how you ARENT exploited, blind moron.
Right, that makes sense. But how do you figure we dont have better healthcare? I saw the graph where some think tank put numbers on things like "Safety of care". Anything more concrete? Otherwise I am just not going to trust that graph.
What about cancer survival rates or something? A real measurement of how good people are. Not just some score from 1-10.
When I visited the dentist living in Germany, I felt like I gone back in time 20 years. The X Rays were old fashioned in Germany, for example.
>contract
A contract implies agreed upon terms by more than one party
You’re sadly just a lazy low value person who wants others to take care of you since mommy didn’t wuvv your enough 🙁
Having his health bills paid by the government wouldn't change Walt's self-loathing and deep seated shame about his life outcome
He was the posterboy for "wasted potential"
He would still break bad in that scenario, but possibly not care as much about the money he makes selling meth, it's not like Walter Jr is Ivy League material
an average non-expensive college would be fine for him
He would have, you need to rewatch season 1, he's a douche to Gretchen Schwartz way before he's the top dog of ABQ
Not leaving too much debt to his family wouldn't change the fact that he's still dying and that despite his IQ all he amounted to was "public school chemistry teacher"
>that despite his IQ all he amounted to was "public school chemistry teacher"
This. Walt’s biggest problem was that he was ashamed of his himself and his life, so ashamed of it that he could barely show love to his family. The cancer is just what made him finally face it.
Did you even watch the show? Not only does he tell Gray Matter to frick off, he absolutely loses his shit when he finds out that his son made a donation page for him and outed him as a pathetic cancer-ridden husk of a man to the entire state.
I could break my fricking back and I'd see a bill for maybe 5% of the cost. Try being worth something to a large multinational company instead of a basement-dwelling NEET.
Not a millionaire. I have over a million in my 401k. Make about $160K base plus bonus, which is a hell of a lot less than most people with 23 years of service make with my employer, but I made the mistake of becoming irreplaceable, so I cannot be promoted.
>Ok kids. Remember to save 4 years salary in case you break your toe
Can’t you read?
I have Canadian and US citizenship and I pay less tax and a small portion for health insurance and my company pays the rest. It’s orders of magnitude better in the US because you can be seen for any medical need immediately and get procedures done whenever you need/want them. Also you can choose the doctors and surgeons you see.
If I got terminal lung cancer I would be out $4,000, my maximum out of pocket. I pay $74 a month now for full coverage PPO and all prescriptions are $5.
It’s obviously better in every conceivable way
Why are you being so intentionally dishonest? >t. leftist commie troon neet
Oh yeah
>Live in a country with ""free"" healthcare >Have to take out private health insurance otherwise I pay 1% extra tax >Currently need to see a specialist, 4 months wait for private, 6 for public. >Only 60% of cost is covered by the government for either visit, insurance doesn't cover it.
Cool
The US government is one of the most corrupt and malicious entities on the planet
I would be down for socialized healthcare is we balkanized, but I want to give as little money to the feds as humanly possible
>*gets put on waiting list for months*
>*dies*
oops
Cope and seethe.
>ends up having to travel to russia to do experimental surgery after wasting months on the waiting list getting worse
>mutt hands wrote this
Treatment starts almost immediatly, no waiting list for cancer. At least in developed european countries
And what's immediately? From the time you show up in A&E and wait twenty hours to get seen by some unqualified student wired to his fricking eyeballs who brushes you off and sends you out with some cough drops?
From the moment you get referred to an oncologist to see if it might be cancer and he repeatedly cancels your appointments after waiting two weeks for them because he's double booked every fricking timeslot that month?
Yes, all of this shit is from personal experience.
If you think European healthcare is good you're either a Black person with a third world mindset or you don't live here.
Britbong, you're not a civilized European.
Listen you moronic mouthbreather i had deal to deal with a father having Cancer and currently my best friend who was diagnosed last year. In the first case treatment started in the second week in the second case right in the same week because it was urgent. And there was and never is any talk about money or " you cant afford this treatment ".
So shut the frick or let me say it to you in the wonderful words of my native language:
Halt dein dummes Maul du selten dämlicher Untermensch.
>t. Britbong who's only ever set foot in a hospital to go to A&E for minor injuries, and was outraged the triage process didn't send his minor booboo to the front of the line immediately.
Whenever you actually read past the headlines of those kind of stories there's usually a reasonable explanation. The guy with the fricked up arm gets reposted a lot on /misc/ but if you actually read the article you find out that only one of the operations was cancelled because of problems at the hospital. He had several other appointments cancelled because his blood pressure wasn't within safe limits.
In any case, being able to find a handful of cases where government run healthcare systems fricked up doesn't change the overall picture: statistically they manage to deliver care as good or better than the US, often for a little as half the cost, and those costs aren't born by the patient.
>care better than the US
False
>for little as half the cost
Kek
>In any case, being able to find a handful of cases where government run healthcare systems fricked up doesn't change the overall picture: statistically they manage to deliver care as good or better than the US, often for a little as half the cost, and those costs aren't born by the patient.
Top tier shit post.
>the time you show up in A&E and wait twenty hours to get seen by some unqualified student wired to his fricking eyeballs who brushes you off and sends you out with some cough drops?
More lies from coping ameritard mutts. This shit just doesn't happen. Your head is full of stereotypes (and shit) propagandized by the people who rob you.
You are a bunch of fricking idiots who get ROBBED by insurance companies and israelite hospitals. Admit it. Stop making shit up. Cope.
They only make you wait if your case isn't urgent. Be happy if you have to wait in the ER, it means you're fine.
Why are we even bothering with specialists and tests when we have apparently omniscient doctors who can instantly and infallibly diagnose everyone who walks through the doors?
Because this is the problem, unless they can do that, long wait times will kill people. No matter how good the intake is, nobody can give an infallible prognosis, particularly not when doctors and nurses are overloaded and may not be able to take a proper case history. Which means that while yes, you need triage, you also need to see people in a timely manner.
>USA (Kaiser NorCal)
>Call and describe symptoms (hematuria, basically).
>Told to come in that afternoon for tests.
>Get CT and ultrasound next day.
>Get diagnosis in 2 days. Get 2nd opinion for treatment same day from oncologist in different city.
>Get appt for surgery in less than two weeks.
>No remission after 5 years.
Nah, I'm good.
oh, and out-of-pocket was $100.
Employer pays 100% of monthly because I didn't waste my life.
pathetic cope
enjoy going bankrupt and still dying anyways
moron burger things there are waiting lists or big waiting times for life-threatening issues kek
>breaks arm
>not life threatening
>8 months later dies of complications from untreated arm break
oops
>Burger thinks you won't get a cast almost immediately
Holy kek the propaganda you get fed there is reaching ridiculous levels
He could be referencing to the real case of that Anglo who got his arm fricked up and they refused to do anything about it, but he didn't die as far as I know.
>Anglo
Once again, anglos are not civilized Europeans.
It's over a year now, but he never would have managed to get tested for it anyway
The NHS waiting lists post COVID already killed my grandad due to cancer screening being missed and subsequent treatment options requiring months of waiting. My dad has been confirmed with prostate cancer and his first consultation to discuss treatment is in August due to waiting lists
>this has happened to two people I know
>and a third who ONLY lost his leg from the knee down
BUT
GET THIS
WAITING TO DIE IS _FREE_
IT'S FRICKING F R E E CHUD
IT'S FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I BET YOU IN AMERICA(which lives rent free in my head)CANNOT EVEN AFFORD TO WAIT
THIS IS WHY WE FRICKING NEED SOCIALISM AND ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT YOU CHUDS
in america you have to pay to wait unironically. it's what killed my mother. i'd rather have free waiting times nigs
>free waiting times
>free
>waiting
Imagine bragging you get to wait for free, what the frick is wrong with euros?
Imagine having to pay $10,000 for a 30 minute consultation
Sir, I’m going to ask you to be quiet, there are children in this theater
Lol this
Now they’ll all stay on this America website and suck more and more american dick
Pretty embarrassing tbph
idk, sounds superior to doing something desperate and destructive.
This, where i live public healthcare is massive garbage. It's better to just pay more and go to a private doctor
lol, have you ever traveled abroad, fellow Ameribro?
I'm european
I don't know what you're talking about then but I had a friend have a massive epileptic seizure in Paris. They were attended to immediately and walked away with a 14 Euro bill. That was after a CT scan to make sure they didn't have brain damage from falling over too.
If he already got diagnosed then he's way past being waitlisted. But I'm sure you also have some burger cope about le knife crime waiting in the wings.
doesn’t happen Iol
It does in my country
>wanting your IP exposed this badly
Keep it up. I’m not a new gay like you.
It does in the UK. You might as well start planning your funeral if you get cancer there. The NHS is collapsing.
Americans are moronic
>Gets put on waiting list
>Ahmed Muhammad strolls in and gets immediate preferential treatment
>Quality of care plummets as system is flooded beyond capacity with diseased foreigners expecting free care
Fix your country before it's too late. Break the conditioning
my country is not on that pic
So uh this doesn't make sense to me but maybe having nationalized healthcare makes it the same nationwide right? In the us this graph makes no sense because the hospitals in the ghetto would get 0 ratings and the nice ones in rich areas would get high ratings.
Correct. I can't tell if you were trying to make some kind of point or were genuinely asking
No you’re right. Nationalized healthcare like that everyone gets the same level of care, in America you get better care the better you’re insurance is. There’s a reason why rich people from Europe and Canada come to America for treatment, because if you can afford the care it’s better. Also the cost and money spent in America just shows the real problem with American health care, it’s too expensive and uncharged way more than in Europe. Nationalized healthcare won’t fix that. Before we even start talking about public or private health coverage we need to get the price fair and under control.
leaves getting absolutely raked
What do you expect? The system is under a bunch of strain and our growth depends on importing half a million people a year for which we don't have the housing for.
My testosterone levels have been fricked for the last year and a half and I just can't get in contact with a specialist so I'm basically stuck wanting to coom but barely being able to.
>That's based on 2007 - 2009 data so nearly 15 years out of date.
It also doesn't tell you anything about what they define as effective, safe, or co-ordinated. The fact that it lists "Equity" suggests that there's a specific axe to grind.
Your graph depicts Americans spending more on healthcare.
Thats like depicting Americans as spending more on T Bone steaks and luxurious meals and thinking that shows something bad.
Thats right rest-of-the-world. Us Americans are so much more wealthy in terms of healthcare. You wish you got this much health care.
But even spending per capita is double for Americans what it is for the rest of the developed world.
You know, calling something a shitpost doesn't actually refute any of the points it makes. But thanks for giving me another (you) I guess.
>healthcare expenditures
>conveniently fails to distinguish out-of-pocket expenses from insurance premiums and/or explicit taxation for national programs.
*not including taxes
this is beyond disingenuous
It also doesn't include insurance costs. You don't want them to include that information. It would only make their argument stronger.
>It also doesn't include insurance costs. You don't want them to include that information. It would only make their argument stronger.
Yeah, no.
I have a family of four and I pay $213 a month for FULL COVERAGE
Vision
Dental
Health
Orthodontics
for all of us. Copays are $15 and all prescriptions are free.
That's being subsidized by your job.
The average cost of insurance for a family of 4 is $1400.
So your job is covering $1200 of that. Which you would otherwise be getting in your salary.
Rather frick over my company out of 80% of my insurance cost than pay 60% income tax so Streetshitters can have 40 kids.
You're not fricking your company over. Benefits are part of your salary. Without them your salary would go up after taxes. Not down.
Health insurance is pre-tax.
Because your job is paying for it you actual moron. Do you think the money just up and disappears?
>Because your job is paying for it you actual moron
So? I work there. Why should me or my work pay for you lazy fricks? And I still make 4x the average europoor income lol
Eat shit commies
The hell are you talking about? I was just pointing out that your employer is the one paying for it, and they get tax write-offs so you’re not “fricking” anyone over. You give us burgers a bad name.
My insurance is free.
No co-pays at GP and specialist visits.
No deductible.
And I only make $17.75
see
If your insurance comes from your employer then they're taking it from your wages.
Thanks moron, I'm well aware.
But you mean exactly like Europe, except I have access to better Healthcare?
The waitlist meme is a complete myth made by insurance company lobbyists. Study looking at wait times between Americans and Canadians found no discernible difference in wait times for emergency treatment and near neglible wait times for non emergencies(AKA medical care that can literally wait).
Health insurance is a scam. They bargain with hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to make oop costs high so that people are basically forced to get insurance if they have any medical issues/concerns. And because the insurance companies make more money the less they have to pay for your care they will try to find every reason to deny coverage. The reality is that healthcare worker wages and treatment cost could stay the same or even rise with universal healthcare and it would still be cheaper on average since you’d no longer be paying for the billions in profit insurance companies take in year after year.
Case in point, the average American pays more between private and subsidized care than literally all but 1 developed country
get sick in poland then get back to me if you survive.
Insurance companies=/=healthcare facilities/hospitals/pharmaceutical companies. Stupid
>fricking poland
Yeah why don't you go and get sick in Botswana moron, then you'll realise how great US healthcare is
>fricking poland
don't make me spam polandball memes at you
>Study looking at wait times between Americans and Canadians found no discernible difference
that study conflated medicaid and private hospital treatments since I know for a fact you can get instant treatment by simply paying everywhere in the world
Ameritards are so cucked that they will actually MAKE SHIT UP to justify their slavery to the most israelited health system on the planet.
I guess the alternative would be admitting that they're stupid pieces of shit who get fleeced at every turn ($800 per month in insurance and then you have to pay the first $15k out of pocket? Best country on Earth!). So they kinda have to make shit up to feel less like the mongoloid cattle they are.
t. european. We get your same drugs and treatments for 1/100th of the cost. No "months of waiting" for urgent conditions, mongoloid. Immediate treatment.
I love how you people always pretend that you understand how everything in the world works. always a good laugh
Hahaha
Seethe and lie and cope.
Take american wiener out of your mouth for five minutes and get off this website, vassal Black person
I've never met an American who denies the israelited up costs associated with American Healthcare. Most of them understand that this is the fault of government regulation in favor of medical corporations.
I can say I've never met a eurocuck who doesn't make excuses for single payer systems though.
fpbp, and he was hated because he spoke the truth
>The amount of cope and seethe this post causes
I have Canadian and US citizenship and I pay less tax and a small portion for health insurance and my company pays the rest. It’s orders of magnitude better in the US because you can be seen for any medical need immediately and get procedures done whenever you need/want them. Also you can choose the doctors and surgeons you see.
If I got terminal lung cancer I would be out $4,000, my maximum out of pocket. I pay $74 a month now for full coverage PPO and all prescriptions are $5.
It’s obviously better in every conceivable way
Euroshits seething
insurance corpos paid fake news to invent this meme so they wouldn't get replaced
>Democracy Dies in Darkness
This is STILL their tagline? What the frick?
If it's even slim chance you are at risk they get you sorted. My mom had thyroid cancer in Canada and it was hardly life threatening and they still got it cut out and her on medication in no time at all
The only time it's shit is at the ER. I waited 4.5 hours for some stitches when I cut my chin open
I had to wait three hours on a tuesday in a burgerland small city while my throat was almost swollen shut from a tonsil abscess
as a canadian i can say for certain only angry american communist hands types the angry replies to this.
You’re probably right.
They lost free college
They lost student loan cancellation
They lost single payer “healthcare”
They lost CRT
They lost Roe
They’ll lose gay marriage
They’ve pushed the normiesphere to far. Unironically, and hilariously, they literally committed suicide because they couldn’t control themselves. It’s fricking perfect kek
They didn't push the normiesphere too far. The republican democrats blocked all that stuff, and Roe was lost because of Trump getting 3 fricking judicial appointments after losing by 3 million votes. One of which didn't even happen during his term in office.
It's all political skullduggery.
Hahaha
Seethe and cry.
Normies have had it with leftist bullshit and it’s inevitable and invariable, consummate failures.
The gays and niggs killed the left. Thanks degenerates and low IQ simian farm equipment!
What is this schizo rambling about Trump?
Because Trump has had more impact on the supreme court than anyone living.
Lmao look at the europoor seethe, does the truth really hurt them THIS much?
Absolutely fricking based, look at all that euro seethe. On 4th of July eve no less. Cracking a budweiser just for you homie
>hates america
>continues to live in america
Really makes me think
Someone that loves a country or some kind of organization they belong to will try to change it from within rather than flee. You'd understand if you had principles.
If they left the country you'd then complain about them being 'still obsessed'.
>can't even get into the Doctor's office to have this conversation because they left him in the waiting room for fourteen hours every time he showed up, appointment or no
Forgot to add that the only good thing about British healthcare is that the Pakis who are born of incest in these lands are disproportionately killed by how shit it is.
>they left him in the waiting room for fourteen hours every time he showed up
That simply does not happen. All the horror stories about socialized healthcare have been invented by the same industries who keep robbing you.
You pay 100x what we pay for the same treatments. You're a bunch of fricking idiots. No amount of lies will change this.
Cope.
In Australia I was biopsied and scanned. Confirmed the diagnosis and then checked into a ward with free treatment within a week. Total cost of care for 4 months of chemo was $200 for medication while not in the facility.
Muttland is fricked.
Wtf I love free stuff now. Frick that mutt place you are talking about. I bet that mutt place has a higher concentration of unvaccinated individuals because it wasn't free. I love free stuff redistributed by the government
You guys were also forcibly locked up longer than just about any other country even when it was plainly apparent that even draconian measures failed to stop covid
You had literal concentration camps set up by your government with matching lol summer camp propaganda. Frick off, can't.
How is that relevant to healthcare
They did it for your own good. Y'know, healthcare when you tacitly permit the government to make medical decisions for you because they hold it over your head that they (actually you taxes lol) pay for it.
You don't have free healthcare. The government pays for it with your money and tells you they paid for it.
Mental gymnastics, doctors being paid
by a tax funded government is not comparable to the government stealing black kids
You can just say you're too smooth brain to understand that the government controls availability through more ways than prohibitions.
>Da gubbamint puppet masters your doctor
You are a literal paranoid schizo
Americans will try and bash our system with strawman bullshit about lockdowns but cannot accept that Australia's already figured out how to live perfectly.
Checkmate muttards
He was a teacher, right? They usually have really good insurance.
I never understood this joke, or the similar one where Walt lives in Canada and the whole series end on the first episode.
I mean, isn't the main statement of this joke that we would never have this marvel of a show if the US healthcare wasn't the way it is?
Be my guest, but I'd rather have Walter White be Heisenberg, it's way more entertaining than the show never existing.
>dude I'm gonna die?? lol I'll just go back to teaching then LOL
Do white people really?
Your mind is a complete cum dumpster for msm lies
>"looks like you coughed up blood and collapsed, take 3 paracetamol daily and call us if you feel worse in 3 months"
>"you were here 3 months ago with the same problem? well, I trust my colleague's judgement, but just in case lets do a CT scan. are you available in 5 months?"
>"if we would've caught it sooner, say 8 months ago, then we could've helped you"
Evropean here.
Yes, it's literally like this.
I have a friend with a similar story (Sweden).
Couldn't eat, constant pain, lost weight (was down to ~45kg).
Told by local doctors to eat more and take some painkillers.
After over a year, his family finally got through with demands for some kind of checkup, was cancer.
He's alive and well except for being sterile because of the cancer and treatment.
Canada here. They killed an in law of mine. Diagnosed liver cancer, used surgery to treat. It didn't work. He went to the US, and they told him "We could have saved you, but because they cut out so much of your liver, the treatments that would have worked will now kill you, we're going to do the best we can".
>We've investigated ourselves and determined we were not at fault. Trust the system, clap for the NHS.
Honestly, what pisses me off more than anything else is the way the problems the US has are used to explain away the problems with other healthcare systems. "Yes, people are dying waiting for an ambulance, and we will never let anyone count the number of people we kill through the system being too inefficient to treat them properly, but OOOOOOHHH! SCARY US HEALTHCARE!"
>anecdotal evidence steeped in emotion
What great scientific stats or medical information!
No wait, the other thing. Lying idiots on the internet.
Your in-law was DOA from the start, burgers weren't going to save your in-law.
>fingers in ears
>screaming
>amerrrrica BAD!!
>mommy government gib me free everything
>I can’t into life and bring a functional adult like the hundreds of millions of people all around me
>vive Che!!
>no I don't want more money
>I want to lick the boots of corpo israelites
>aww yes, deny my coverage daddy, I fricking love israel
>communists having money
>communists calling people "bootlicker"
Do you have any self-awareness?
>anything other than licking the boots is communism
>the guy in the boots told me so
God, rightard leadbrains are the biggest cucks in the world.
No moron, communists are bootlickers, their whole ideology is about blind obedience to the state
You haven't posted any scientific stats or medical information either, you've only posted lies and strawmen
America out ranks almost every European nation in 5 year survival rates in almost every cancer type there is.
'out ranks' is overstating a 2-5% difference in survival rates for common cancers compared to Canada and most European countries. What you've also overstated is the fact that once you stop looking at lung, prostate, stomach or breast cancer figures, that slight lead disappears. Also don't forget the absurd financial burden that comes with cancer treatment in the US, especially for less common cancers.
Again, my financial burden is 0. Please get cancer and let me know if you're okay to leave 5% on the table.
>my financial burden is 0
Now I know you're moronic.
Let me rephrase it, addressing points we have already gone over.
Due to my employer paid Healthcare, my wages may be lower than they would be had I worked the same position without Healthcare, but if I were diagnosed with cancer tomorrow, I would not see a bill for a single cent.
Same happened to my nan. She had stomach cancer that they kept telling her was an ulcer until one day they were like, "oh shit actually it's cancer and you're terminal". Nearly happened to my mom too but with gallstone complications, fortunately it was caught in time.
NOOOOO NOT THE UNGUIDED TOUR OF JANUARY 6!!!
THEY LEFT PLASTIC BOTTLES IN THE CHAMBERS!!!
AAAAAGH NOOO SAVE ME BIDEN!!!
more importantly did they shit on pelosi's desk?
if they didn't even do that they suck.
They just sat at her desk and rifled through some meaningless files. I don't know which is a bigger joke: the boomers mulling about as they croak from the excitement or the way the media treats this as some military coup.
It was kind of embarrassing but on the other hand it was the only time in modern history that boomers did something. They got out of their chairs, off their scooters, and on their feet so that they could move through the Capitol, even if in slow motion. That makes it worth something.
>family goes bancrupt thanks to higher taxes anyways
>mr white has to cook meth regardless of beeing sick or not
>junior shits the flloor
>tuco walks the dinosour
the end
>europeans: america is such an uncivilized barbaric country lmao
>also europeans: *continues to migrants in droves from their poor yurop shitholes to america*
i just wanna be free
A COUPLE EPISODES IN WALTER WHITE GOES TO HIS OLD FRIEND'S HOUSE AND COULD HAVE ASKED THEM FOR MONEY FOR TREATMENT.
BREAKING BAD WAS NEVER ABOUT FREE HEALTHCARE BUT ABOUT MASCULINITY, HOW A TRAMPLED ON FATHER AND HUSBAND FINALLY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING FOR HIS GODDAMN SELF
Forgot pic
you expect bongs and leafs to understand anything about "masculinity"?...
I'm a bong and that was my post you replied to. The show literally answers the question about healthcare in that Gray Matter episode which is why I get so fricking pissed off every time I see it brought up. I don't give a frick about American Healthcare at all. It becomes a non-entity after that episode. It was never about paying for his cancer and always about him as a person.
Masculinity is dying of cancer instead of asking for help?
>Masculinity is dying of cancer instead of asking for help?
America in Primetime Episode 2: Man of the House, discusses fatherly roles in tv shows from the 1950s to the modern day. You can see how it went from "father knows best" in the 50s to "father is the butt of the joke but tries" ala most sitcoms to the modern "fatherhood roles in crisis" like Tony Soprano or Walter White. The show even has an interview with Bryan Cranston.
Walter White could have sucked up his pride and asked for help but didn't. The show near the finale even outright explains this, he did it for himself, he even talks to those rich friends again. Masculinity in modern times has been shaped by all its critics. Walter White tries to be a good responsible person and what does him get him? Nothing. All that responsibility doesn't make his life happy. What is the point of having a wife that hates you and be in a dead end job? Masculinity is him taking control of his life for the first time, even if it leads him down a bloody path.
this post from the same morons who brought you
>you wont do shit...
Actually he is a teacher almost certainly union and would have great health insurance-its life insurance that he would he short.
I FRICKING LOOOOOVE THE SAME THREADS DAY IN AND OUT! I LOVE IT! I RELISH THE CHANCE TO REPLY AND STATE MY SAME THOUGHTS ON THE SAME TOPIC! I'M AUTISTIC! I LOVE ROUTINES AND ORDERLY REPOSTS! A WHEEL OF THE SAME CONTENT BECAUSE moronS RESPOND! IT'S GREAT! WHO DOESN'T LOVE A CLASSIC, AM I RIGHT? AN OLDIE BUT A GOLDIE AS I SAY. WE MIGHT HAVE COVERED THIS TOPIC TO DEATH BUT WHAT'S THAT MATTER? MAYBE WE MISSED SOMETHING! WE SHOULD REACH 300 REPLIES EASILY OF THE SAME FRICKING SHIT THE LAST TIME THIS WAS POSTED. I LOVE IT
He is right. As much as i love to make leftists butthurt, we should have more options for sick people. Specially with how much money we spend in bailouts and other useless crap
The artist who drew that clearly didn't even watch the series, or even finish season 1 at the very least. Probably just read the Wikipedia synopsis, and that's being generous.
>have simple problem like gallstone
>go to "free" hospital
>spend 6 hours on wait
>see doctor
>can't do ultrasound
>can't do MRI
>tell me to seek a doctor that can treat me
>It wasn't a coup guys were just larping...
to call that a coup attempt is disrespectful to the many countries in which the usa imposed and financially supported dictatorships and destablisation attempts.
Walt never got into meth to pay his medical bills. This is a stupid meme that’s debunked the literal first episode.
Yeah. It was about providing for his family after he was dead (until it became about his pride).
Other countries can only afford to do this because America's insanely overpriced medical treatment fuels production and R&D.
Not saying I'm happy about it. But basically you're all getting hyper-advanced healthcare at pre-industrial prices while we get the shaft.
Not to mention the U.S army subsidizes European defense. Doubtful they could afford "free" Healthcare if they had to maintain an actual military force.
Even in a thumbnail you can spot a leftytoon by the childish art.
just because we love america doesn't mean we can't make it better ;^)
Don't care, not paying for other people's healthcare. Call me a scrooge but I think the healthiest and fittest should survive and not be taxed. I hate poor people. I'm disappointed in roe v wade being overturned though because that means there are going to be more of them. They are gonna revolt like wienerroaches eventually.
My other controversial opinion is that Americans don't work hard enough, we're competing against places like China where they are happy to work till 3 am and even sleep in the factory, they are proud of their work and duty. Americans are lazy, we get taxed too much making it even more discouraging to work hard.
They can do that because americans create a market for them. Without us they would be eating shit.
"Just work way harder for even less money, you lazy Americans!"
No. My grandfather's generation worked less hours and made more money, all while affording what was considered "first world" standard of living. I'd rather let the whole thing blow up than bust my own ass sustaining mediocrity.
quads of truth
>regurgitating an elon musk tweet
the chinese take such pride in their work that the higher ups put nets around the foxcon facilities so the workers can jump on them like trampolines as a reward
If you pay for health insurance you already pay for others healthcare, in addition to the profit of the insurance company
>Call me a scrooge
Okay, but I'll call you stupid first. The US healthcare system is so inefficient it takes up twice the percentage of GDP that all the other major first world nations spend on healthcare. It's a massive drain on the US economy.
And that's without even taking into account the fact that the US healthcare system leaves people who could otherwise be productive workers with long-term health problems that stop them working, simply because they can't come up with the cash up front.
Not to mention that there's no reason you can't get sick too and if you think your insurance won't try to screw you if you ever need them for something expensive, you're incredibly naïve.
And finally, paying for other people's healthcare is the whole POINT of health insurance you moron. You pool your contributions together then when someone needs healthcare they get to draw from the money you paid in.
>it takes up twice the percentage of GDP that all the other major first world nations spend on healthcare. It's a massive drain on the US economy.
This is complete bullshit
Not who you replied to but get shat on bozo
And we also make way more money and have lower taxes. Like wow, we spend 5000 more than Germany? Good thing we make 11,000 more than them!
Typical moron can’t do basic math
>Healthcare vs income American
22%
>healthcare vs income Germany
>16%
Lol, keep defending your insurance company overlords. Not only do they make it so you pay for others healthcare, but they make sure to take a nice fat cut after they deny your daughters cancer coverage
Not him but I pay 75 dollars every two weeks for healthcare. My wife pay's 210 for her and our son. it really isn't expensive.
>using averages in the country with the largest wealth gap in history
Keep being happy that other people in your nation have billions of dollars.
>Keep being happy that other people in your nation have billions of dollars.
Oh I will. America is awesome for the fact that some Americans are billionaires. Way fricking cooler than countries without billionaires. I think a good way of describing Europe is "America, if there were no billionaires". Europeans arent any richer, they just dont have any super-rich among them.
I dont understand your 22% vs 16% thing.
I used to live in Germany, and I had to buy health insurance just like I do now in the US. It costs the same. I also got denied things when I live in Germany. The key difference I can recall is that in Germany it was illegal for me to not buy healthcare, compared to America where I had the right to not buy healthcare (which I exercised).
> But you're spending that money for absolutely no increase in healthcare effectiveness
I think this is true. Healthcare just isnt doing much for anyone. Seems that America and the whole world is spending money on healthcare that does next to nothing.
> You should have much higher living standards
We do. Almost every American has air conditioning. Almost no one in Germany has air conditioning. We live in bigger houses. The food in our grocery stores is better. We have a better selection of food and restaurants.
In Germany, and much of NW Europe, vegetable produce literally begins to rot on the shelves in summer months. Its called "Rot month" and flies will be all over the food. When my wife would by broccholli it would often have bugs inside the produce. Americans would never live like that.
> US GDP per capita may be higher but median income is hovering around the same mark as western European countries
No even US median income is higher than that of say, France, UK and Germany. The disparity becomes even bigger when you look at after tax income. Look at this picture I just googled up comparing countries in some kind of international dollar unit.
>Europeans arent any richer, they just dont have any super-rich among them.
Which means the same is true of you.
You arent any better off.
Other people are - because they exploit you - and you praise them for it.
You are bragging that people are standing on your neck.
Bizarre LARP or Germany is a bigger shithole than I thought
>Almost every American has air conditioning. Almost no one in Germany has air conditioning
Because almost no one in germany needs air conditioning. Even the northern US states have warmer climates than northern Europe (or at least, warmer summers; the inland states have a wider range of temperatures, with harsher winters as well). Also, the houses are built to handle the local climate, unlike American developers who tend to follow a more cookie-cutter approach and then rely on artificial climate control.
>We live in bigger houses.
This is more a function of your geography, coupled with a very different ethos regarding housebuilding (i.e. Europeans build houses to last, American's throw up cheap shit quickly).
>The food in our grocery stores is better.
I went to America just before the pandemic and this is absolutely not true. I was actually shocked by just how shitty everything was compared to what I can get in the UK. And I visited both LA and San Francisco, among other places.
>In Germany, and much of NW Europe, vegetable produce literally begins to rot on the shelves in summer months
>Its called "Rot month" and flies will be all over the food
Maybe this is a German thing, but I have never seen anything remotely like this.
>Look at this picture I just googled up comparing countries in some kind of international dollar unit.
I'm not sure what they're using to get those figures but according to wikipedia the US is a lot closer to the higher-end European countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income
>what I can get in the UK
There must be some secret stores somewhere in the UK, then.
>I was actually shocked by just how shitty everything was compared to what I can get in the UK.
Frick off. We don’t have near the grocery store options here that the yanks do. Everything else you said is probably a lie as well.
this. euros love to talk shit about burgers but they’re just as moronic and are perpetuating the downfall of western civilization just as much if not more. they’re just seething that they’re not the main characters of this shitshow.
>grocery store
FOY
But you're spending that money for absolutely no increase in healthcare effectiveness. You're right, America is considerably richer than the western European nations. You should have much higher living standards. And yet you don't because a huge amount of that wealth is lost to inefficiencies like this. US GDP per capita may be higher but median income is hovering around the same mark as western European countries, and all the indicators of quality of life - life expectancy, quality of education, crime, etc - are mediocre at best (or in the case of crime much, much worse). Your high overall wealth is the only thing keeping you afloat.
Based on the size of its economy, America should be a paradise, but instead it's decaying. For the past couple of decades you've been resting on your laurels and letting your society break down around you because of lazy, short-sighted thinking, and selfishness masquerading as pragmatism.
>US above Luxembourg, Norway, Switzerland
I assume this isn't based off the median then. Either way all of that excess income is swallowed up by stuff Americans have to pay for that Europeans don't. Imagine literally having to pay JUST for a consultation, absolutely hellish
Are you rich yourself? Congrats, then it literally doesn't matter where you live. You can live like a king in Sri Lanka or Tuvalu or Madagascar or wherever the frick else, so long as you have the money
That isn't percentage of GDP you fricking moron
See
my grandfather and cousin were on a waiting list for necessary knee surgery for 10 years. thanks libtard healthcare!
are we actually gonna menory hole the time libs took over an entire city block and made it wn autobomous zone and raided police stations? and literally raided city hall? and burned down cities for almost half a year?
>nooo america is the government, what happens to the people doesn't matter
which cities were burned down you incel chud?
no 3 shops in some shithole is not an entire city, nor multiple cities.
mutts love fighting for israel but wouldn't fight for their children to have access to a proper and civilized healthcare system
Not what the show was about at all. Walter had health insurance, he was a teacher. He just wanted to leave money for his family since he was the sole income earner for his family, and a teachers salary can’t typically afford 2 kids, a wife, and a house by itself.
Anyway, want to talk about facts? Let’s talk about them. America has the 5th median income in the world, the 8th lowest tax burden among OECD countries and a higher disposable income than all of Europe. What Americans pay in health insurance premiums and deductibles, Europeans pay for through taxes and lower incomes (as your employers pay higher taxes and this pay you less). All in all it’s pretty relative, middle-upper class Americans probably have more money to spend and can afford more things than their counterparts in Europe, and lower classes are probably better off on Europe. America could have systems like in Europe but why would we want that? Why would I, as a middle class American, want to make less money and pay more in taxes so that poor people can have cheaper healthcare or college? Maybe if I lived in a homogenous country I’d be ok with that, but I have no interest in lowering my quality of life for Black folk and spics. And as the rapid browning and depopulation of whites in Europe continues you euros will finally see why we feel this way. In 30 years you’ll be wishing you had a system like americas, unless you’re a literal cuck who enjoys paying for muhammads and Jamal’s health.
Cope
You post that the UK is 87% white, yet over 25% of people born there are not white. I don’t deny that America is further ahead of Europe, Canada, and Australia, but you’re delusional if you don’t realize they’re right behind us following in our footsteps. So what exactly am I coping about when I say you guys will understand when you get further down the path and see what it’s like. It seems like the only coping here is you trying to deny that white replacement isn’t happening in Europe, Canada, and Australia.
> Posting this after the UK census results have come out
>What Americans pay in health insurance premiums and deductibles, Europeans pay for through taxes and lower incomes
Factually untrue. America is being utterly ripped off by the insurance companies you furiously defend.
PPP graphs are useless.
Is it possible to have single payer healthcare and small government? I want healthcare to be free at point of service but want the government to be small.
>free
Nothing is free, moron.
At point of service
"small government" is a meme that doesn't mean anything.
If you mean you want to pay less for healthcare then nationalizing it does that. It cuts out a frickton of pointless profiteering middlemen and other bullshit.
It won't be free, but your tax costs will be less than your insurance costs.
In addition to a thousand other little benefits. Like not relying on your job for health insurance, no coverage denials, no copays, no out of network horseshit, etc.
I just meant the government to stay out of businesses, not socialist and so on.
>hurr durr I will intentionally not post tax rates and this tactic will surely work
Also the life expectancy is due to niggs and beaners. Google obesity rates and life expectancy by race.
Normal, actual human beings (whites and only whites) have 80+ year life expectancy in the US
I think it just turned out that life expectancy has a lot less to do with the quantity of cash you poured into your medical budget. Elderly white Americans have the same life expectancy as elderly white Europeans. The US life expectancy is brought down by the diversity of our make up and life styles. A lot of why US life expectancy is lower is because we have a much larger number of young people doing risky and destructive things, like getting into car accidents and doing drugs.
> Because almost no one in germany needs air conditioning.
No you definitely need air conditioning. Americans who live at the same climate as Germans all have air conditioning. 100% of them. Americans in Alaska have air conditioning.
>This is more a function of your geography, coupled with a very different ethos regarding housebuilding
Europeans would enjoy big houses just like Americans would.
> I was actually shocked by just how shitty everything was compared to what I can get in the UK. And I visited both LA and San Francisco, among other places.
What was so bad about US grocery stores?
The biggest grocery store I ever saw in Germany, was about a small / medium sized grocery store in the US. The quantity and diversity of options is smaller. There was always something missing from the shelves in Germany. I could never get everything I wanted when I visited the grocery store in Germany, because something was missing.
>Maybe this is a German thing, but I have never seen anything remotely like this.
I experienced it directly, but I have heard it is common in Scandinavia as well.
>I'm not sure what they're using to get those figures but according to wikipedia the US is a lot closer to the higher-end European countries.
Those are the same figures. The wikipedia you shared are the same I believe. Countries are in the same relative standing, and the US has a median incomes of 42,800, where as most European countries are closer to 30k
>gets put into a waiting list for 3 years to see a doctor
>that doctor puts you on a waiting list to see another docotor for more years
>"sorry anon, it's too late to do anything about it now"
This is pretty much how it goes in Sweden.
These "jokes" are shit and so are the bits about not just taking Elliot and Gretchen's money. The cost of treatment is only part of it. He suddenly realizes he has very limited time to live, but he wants to provide for his family long-term.
I had a bad headache that I looked up might have been cause of a hypertension issue.
I immediately booked an appointment with a cardiologist (ie a specialist) with 0 referral or even a discussion with my GP. We had an exam and then I went back for an echocardiogram a week later. No damage to heart but BP was elevated. Got on some weakish pills to get it down and keep it there. Saw my GP next month and we agreed it was the right thing to do.
Cost out of pocket? $30 specialist copay, $20 GP copay, $5 for 90 days worth of pills with refills
Time? less than 3 weeks.
Trouble with insurance? 0
America isn't so bad if you know how to actually use the tools available to you. People don't go to the doctor, they don't do preventative care, and they don't know the extent of their own insurance coverage.
If I was a Eurocuck or a Canadian I'd still be twisting in the wind.
Wasn't Walter a geniusif so why didn't he have a health insurance?
It's absolutely amazing just how well trained Americans are when it comes to defending their healthcare, they actually still pay MORE in their taxes than the countries that have a national health care
>Private insurance is better because I don’t want to pay for others healthcare!
>Insurance companies work by having people pay for others healthcare
>Yea but I get quicker treatment because other people will get denied coverage so IM UP FRONT
>what do you mean I got denied coverage for my ass cancer and have to pay 10 gorillion dollars up front?
Fricking Euros, I swear.
Dear Americans, here's how it actually happens:
First, you notice you have a problem and book an appointment.
Wait 2 months to talk to some random motherfricker.
1st appointment, doctor asks you what you've been doing to cope
"Okay do that same thing for a month, and let's see what happens"
*cha ching €€€*
2nd appointment, a month later
6. "Oh it didn't work? Like you said during our first, well... Let's get an expert to look at it.... ummm nextt month okay?"
*cha ching €€€*
3rd appointment
*same as the first only the wienersucking lab coat wearing c**t believes you even less because he's got a degree*
*cha ching €€€*
4th appointment
The expert is ready to analyze the problem, 50/50 chance he finds fricking nothing, tells you to keep coping
*cha ching €€€*
Give up or repeat until you luck out and meet a doctor who isn't a complete frickwad.
....oh and *cha ching €€€*
TL;DR:
It's not one and done, EVERY VISIT COSTS and you'll be back multiple times.
And don't forget, comparatively, you make less money than you would in America so..... yeah.
Strange, I don't remember paying a penny
ur parents did, or you paid the tax golem in advance.
Dear Europeans, here’s how it actually happens:
First you notice you have a problem and book an appointment.
Wait 2 months to talk to some random motherfricker
After first appointment and $5000 copay you are denied coverage and die
What country do you live in? In the UK you have to pay absolutely nothing, and I know in a lot of other countries any up-front charges can be claimed back through their universal health insurance.
Meanwhile in the US you can pay through the nose for health insurance and still have to pay several hundred bucks for routine treatment.
>you pay absolutely nothing
You pay higher taxes and still have to pay out of pocket, stop lying anon
I don't pay taxes and I don't have to pay anything for doctor or hospital visits
So you get to go on the waiting list for free? The euro dream.
>You pay higher taxes and still have to pay out of pocket
Are you stupid? No you don't pay anything out of your pocket, that's the whole point of a national health service, and Americans pay more in taxes, seethe more
>Americans pay more in taxes
Nope.
Look up the total of all the taxes you pay. Then compare.
Yes you do pay out of pocket, and no americans don't pay more in taxes. Seethe more, moron
>you don't pay anything out of your pocket
Reasonable copayments keep everyone from bring their snot-nosed kids when the snot volume goes up a bit.
Fingolia
I'm mainly anti-universal healthcare because the unnecessary modern "treatments" I received when I was young have actually done me more harm than good in the long run.
UK healthcare is getting worse and worse but in my experience
>call at 8:30 for a same day appointment or do an online consultation for a next day appointment
>GP does basic checks, refers you to someone else or in my case they just did a blood test there and then
>turned out nothing was wrong with me
In A&E, when I had a broken arm or a septic finger the most I've ever waited was a couple of hours. Can't say I've ever had cancer so I don't know what that would be like but my experiences have seemed quite efficient honestly
>Pay for others healthcare
>Bad
>Pay for others healthcare+Insurance company profits and then also get denied coverage
>good
>pay for your own healthcare
>bad
>pay for others healthcare and die on a waiting list for treatment
>good
Private insurance purposefully inflates treatment prices to make it absurdly expensive to pay out of pocket without coverage
If you tell them up front you don't have insurance, they will charge you a reasonable amount.
If you use the ER for a sore throat you will get rape.
Eh, no, the hospitals set the prices, but the insurance insists on negotiating. To get the prices they want, they overestimate the cost. It's the hospitals that don't bother changing their billing when dealing with individuals.
>go to doctor
>Be sent to expert the following week
>Booked in for chemo
>Go home and frick wife
It's not that hard you northern hemisphere freaks
Captcha: (all) MYWAT
Good cancer treatment is expensive and not free in every single country.
>"we should let the poor get healthcare!"
I hate this moronic mindset. You want to get rid of the poor, not help them keep living a poor lifestyle. Healthcare for the wealthy so that only the wealthy can live long lives, wouldn't that be the best possible outcome?
>You want to get rid of the poor
No. You want to get rid of poverty
>Owning a gun is a human right
>Medical care isn't
Is this country for real?
Well you see, medicine hadn't been invented when our perfect and infallible Founding Fathers drafted a perfect, unchangeable constitution
Yes.
The first means the government can't restrict your rights.
The second means the gov't doesn't restrict you getting medical care.
Learn self sufficiency, loser.
Why would medical care be a right? You don't have a right to force people to do what you want
You cannot force anyone to give you a weapon. You cannot force a doctor to diagnose you.
The government cannot forbid you from owning weapons (but it does anyway). The government should not forbid you from seeking medical treatment (but it does anyway).
There's a great quote from William Gibson:
>People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.
>Yes you do pay out of pocket
So your final strategy is just to keep repeating the same falsehood over and over again?
We do have a right to medical care. Just like I have a right to free speech, where I can say what I want, I have a right to medical care, where I can buy what medical care I want.
The "right to medical care" you describe is stealing from one party and giving to another. That is much like a freedom of speech being some kind of mandatory oath that you have to recite.
>But even spending per capita is double for Americans what it is for the rest of the developed world?
And? Americans probably spend twice as much on cars, but you wouldnt say we are impoverished of automobiles. The opposite would be true. We enjoy lots of automobiles! More than others.
>stealing from one party and giving to another
Do you have any idea what the point of being in a community is?
Of course. And you think being a part of a community means stealing?
If you don't want to participate in society, don't be in one. Go be selfish innawoods
>where I can buy what medical care I want
Unless it makes busybody Boomers uncomfortable like abortion or assisted suicide. Then it's time for common sense medical care.
I think abortion and suicide ought to be legal, but to be honest I dont see how they are medical care.
Almost all abortions are just people who dont want kids. I wouldn't call a condom medical care, and that serves the same purpose as an abortion.
Anyway, I dont mean to dispute your point. I wish we had even more medical freedoms here in the US. I wish we didnt have an FDA that banned many useful medications. I wish I could go to a doctor and just pay cash up front for care I want. I wish we had these freedoms but we dont.
No someone being rich next to me is not someone doing any harm to me. A society where some people are rich is a better one than one where no one is rich. "Let some people get rich first" is a quote I love from communist dictator Deng Xiaoping. Indeed a society with wealth diversity is a tolerant one.
Whatever. I like society but I also do in fact live in the woods.
It is all true my friend. Let me know which parts you doubt.
>being rich next to me
What a strange way to describe a vampire.
You are blind if you dont understand how billionaires only exist through the exploitation of taxpayers.
Bezos came up with a good idea and implemented it by offering customers a better deal.
Musk came up with a way to make online purchases easier and cheaper for both sides.
I don't see the exploitation, commie.
>I don't see the exploitation, commie.
As I said - you are blind.
That's your comeback?
Tell me how we are exploited, dumbass.
By the government tax dodges and handouts given to the ultra wealthy to keep being ultra wealthy at the expense of you.
By legal systems designed to keep them up and you down.
By propaganda designed to mold you mind into thinking they "exist next to you" instead of standing on you.
By destroying competition and the chance for anyone else to reach their level while encouraging you to join into the game they have already won to try.
Tell me how you ARENT exploited, blind moron.
>The opposite would be true
Yes. Exactly. If you spend double per capita on cars, you end up with more cars (or cars that are twice the size).
But you spend double per capita on healthcare and don't get better healthcare.
Do you see the problem?
Right, that makes sense. But how do you figure we dont have better healthcare? I saw the graph where some think tank put numbers on things like "Safety of care". Anything more concrete? Otherwise I am just not going to trust that graph.
What about cancer survival rates or something? A real measurement of how good people are. Not just some score from 1-10.
When I visited the dentist living in Germany, I felt like I gone back in time 20 years. The X Rays were old fashioned in Germany, for example.
Both should be human rights
Why should someone else have to pay for either?
Teamwork
In practice we get lazy Black folk sponginf from those who contribute.
Frick them. If you want to care for you and your family, put in the effort.
Social contract
>contract
A contract implies agreed upon terms by more than one party
You’re sadly just a lazy low value person who wants others to take care of you since mommy didn’t wuvv your enough 🙁
Read Locke you tard
All this American seething. It's gonna be great when tomorrow arrivs and they are still hurt due this thread.
Based.
All these comics miss the point of breaking bad
Having his health bills paid by the government wouldn't change Walt's self-loathing and deep seated shame about his life outcome
He was the posterboy for "wasted potential"
He would still break bad in that scenario, but possibly not care as much about the money he makes selling meth, it's not like Walter Jr is Ivy League material
an average non-expensive college would be fine for him
No he wouldn't. It was about necessity at first, and only became about pride later. He wouldn't have taken that first leap if he didn't have to.
He would have, you need to rewatch season 1, he's a douche to Gretchen Schwartz way before he's the top dog of ABQ
Not leaving too much debt to his family wouldn't change the fact that he's still dying and that despite his IQ all he amounted to was "public school chemistry teacher"
>that despite his IQ all he amounted to was "public school chemistry teacher"
This. Walt’s biggest problem was that he was ashamed of his himself and his life, so ashamed of it that he could barely show love to his family. The cancer is just what made him finally face it.
Did you even watch the show? Not only does he tell Gray Matter to frick off, he absolutely loses his shit when he finds out that his son made a donation page for him and outed him as a pathetic cancer-ridden husk of a man to the entire state.
>50% of your income seized as taxes
>free
Pick one.
>Ok kids. Remember to save 4 years salary in case you break your toe
I could break my fricking back and I'd see a bill for maybe 5% of the cost. Try being worth something to a large multinational company instead of a basement-dwelling NEET.
>Lol just be a millionaire for a megacorp like everyone else
Nice larp
Not a millionaire. I have over a million in my 401k. Make about $160K base plus bonus, which is a hell of a lot less than most people with 23 years of service make with my employer, but I made the mistake of becoming irreplaceable, so I cannot be promoted.
>Not a millionaire
>I have over a million
wat
wouldnt the cost of breaking your back easily land in the quarter of a million range? that kinda sucks ass dude
>Ok kids. Remember to save 4 years salary in case you break your toe
Can’t you read?
Why are you being so intentionally dishonest?
>t. leftist commie troon neet
Oh yeah
lmao, keep some cash fro that ambulance ride Ameribro.
Fine. Better than paying for the ambulance ride for a bunch of freeloaders.
>Live in a country with ""free"" healthcare
>Have to take out private health insurance otherwise I pay 1% extra tax
>Currently need to see a specialist, 4 months wait for private, 6 for public.
>Only 60% of cost is covered by the government for either visit, insurance doesn't cover it.
Cool
I hate taxes, bros.
americans genuinely think western europe is communist lmao
>80% effective tax rate
No one thinks that, if they were communists they'd be starving to death by now
The US government is one of the most corrupt and malicious entities on the planet
I would be down for socialized healthcare is we balkanized, but I want to give as little money to the feds as humanly possible