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She's literally BUILT to be sexually dominated by the Native chick.
I do. Meanwhile nobody misses 90% of Industry shows.
Why were like three different western themed indie pilots that released and failed all in the same year?
Sheriff Todd Hayseed
Desert Mayhem Overdrive
Frick you, I do. Even if BW is a b***h
Most pilots don't get picked up, so I am not too sad. Also I liek'd it.
Why did it fail while Hazbin Hotel was able to waddle on?
Alastor was sexier than Snag.
Boring aesthetic?
Because there was no serious intention of having Hazbin be picked up. It was always meant to be an independent thing.
It was presented as a "pilot" even if the series ended up more of a sellout remake
>more of a sellout remake
Which felt so consistent it took me many episodes to realize pilot's no longer canon.
I harp on it every time the discussion arises, but: No internet clout.
Tara and Zach have virtually no internet presence. They simply had no time for it due to working in the industry proper. Vivzie had millions of rabid fans she'd accrued over the last 10-15 years. By simple numbers, some amount of them would have the money to throw at her projects, while LGG suffered from its creators' obscurity.
Kind of a similar reason Monkey Wrench isn't doing so hot. Zeurel's been around forever, but he also frequently went years with nary a sign of drawing breath (on top of deleting a ton of his older work). Can't just leave your fans waiting to see if you're even alive, much less still animating. You need to keep engaged with your audience, gotta keep jingling the keys.
I agree with you in some ways, but lack of clout is not the only issue. The premise and characters of LGG are, sadly, not really that intriguing. Hazbin has massive sex appeal and marketability for its target late teen-YA audience - the kind of audience that has more money than sense and will buy up anything that has their favored character on it especially if shipping is involved.
LGG and Monkey Wrench are just your average, everyday indie animation projects that are stylistic and well-made, but lack a focused vision. Their target audience doesn't reach much farther than other animators with their own projects/aspirations. I'm not saying they're bad by any means, but it's difficult to capture that sort of thing.
>Hazbin has massive sex appeal
I don't disagree with the premise, but reading that made me throw up in my mouth just a little bit.
I know. It's gross lmao.
Imo it's very low-brow and "easy" to sell your project primarily on sex.
No issues with stuff using sex to sell, but abusive dirty sparkledog trash sex is gross and seeing numerical confirmation of how many people like it makes me sick.
So how did Long Gone Gulch fail? Did Zach & Tara just not make ANY merch at all? And why is it that the internet forgot about BW so easily? She singlehandedly could've kept the fire going on r34
porn made by a third party doesn't pay the animator's bills, anon
Because they changed BW's two tails to one
I'm not joking, it was the pivot of her sexiness and they said NO THAT COSTS TOO MUCH TO ANIMATE
The show was made for no one except other animators, it felt like a final project not an actual pilot, and fricking Cordie from that god-awful Cliffside was a more interesting character than anyone in this
Tara deserves to suffer for having no common sense
There's also the matter of not being geared towards an audience in mind. Hazbin is trash, but it's VERY obviously tailored towards the sparkledog/occult/musical/theater/furry/pop song safe edgy crowd. The kind of teens and young adults who think it's cool to say "church sucks" and then read/share fujoshi fanfiction while listening to Dear Evan Hanson before watching A Nightmare Before Christmas after dinner.
Who was Long Gone Gulch made for?
who even watches westerns anymore?
I was just about to get to that: nobody watches traditional westerns anymore, let alone cartoons. The typical western story died a long time ago, but we'll get the occasional gritty western film every few years, or there's examples of Neo-Westerns like Breaking Bad or the Walking Dead.
Lone Gone Gulch would have been forgotten had it came out on streaming because kids don't like westerns in this day and age, let alone goofy comedic ones.
LGG isn't a traditional western either what with all the monsters and furries.
furries?
I just see western as a standard simple cookie cutter setting like medieval fantasy, pirates, high school, jungle etc.
I think the bigger issue is that LGG does not really match any major network's current brand. the biggest difference I see right away is the main characters do not match the age of the main characters of most current series. Disney really hammers home relatability in their shows, which is why they require the MC of most of their series to be 12-13 at the most. This is why they required the kids to be the main characters of Ducktales 2017. Nick and Cartoon Network are in the same place, 13 year old MCs in mostly low stakes adventures.
LGG has older teens in a lolrandom wacky over the top comedy. Which might have fit a lot better if it were made around 2009 or 2014. It definitely would have worked in the early 00s. But no one is making anything like that now. It doesn't fit any of the major studio's current brands. It's not a show that can come on next to Craig of the Creek or Hailey's on it. Its too different.
It's even more annoying when you look and see how Ducktales was low stakes, around the house, or around town adventures of the kids, when it's fricking Ducktales. And advertised itself as high flying adventures in temples. They almost never went to a temple, when they did it was off screen before the episode began to set up game night in the mansion, or sleep over in the mansion.
I think we watched 2 different shows. They were outside just as often as inside, and went all over the world (and under the ocean).
Granted, Ducktales 2017 had adventures but not nearly as much as OG Ducktales and yes, anon is right, most of the episodes were mostly focused on Duckburg, because unfortunately the influence of the woke policy that treasure hunting equals colonialism is why there were no good episodes. They could have made more space travel episodes (in addition to the moon trip), but they just wanted to make the Disney Afternoon Cinematic Universe. Also, too much focus on children was a mistake, when even small children know and watch Donald more. The main characters were supposed to be Scrooge and Donald and keep it that way.
And you know what, I'm tired of nobody in the industry or in fan communities saying it, but the reason why shit like Hazbin gets picked up while LGG doesn't is because the culture surrounding indie animators is that they SHOULDN'T have to come up with a cartoon geared towards an audience. Time and time again we see the same fricking shit like Long Gone Gulch or Monkey Wrench where the creator slaps together some OCs and throws them into a setting and then expects the money to roll in, only to get upset when no one has an interest in their lame pilot because there's nothing that grabs their interest.
THAT'S NOT HOW YOU FRICKING MAKE A CARTOON, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AUDIENCE IN MIND
I hate the business side of animation as much as the next person, but in this case the meddling producers or executives or whatever are right to try and grab demographics, because without a proper lure, you're never gonna get that fricking fish
>Industry person has a partial mental breakdown
What was the audience for Popeye? People who want to see good cartoons. What was the audience for Samurai Jack? People who want to see good cartoons. What's the difference between My Little Pony Friendship is Magic and previous generations? It has actual creative merit.
You're trying to be "based" while working within your corporate system and it is increasingly failing to work.
Kids don't give a shit about genres, 7-year-olds barely even know what they are.
Fact is that your industry is hostile to Long Gone Gulch, Monkey Wrench and other independent work because despite your comfortable careers you're jealous of independent creativity. And don't blow up at Long Gone Gulch because I said it's better than Puss in Boots, I don't have time for your social manipulations.
>who was the audience for popeye
>readers of the King Features comic strip Thimble Theater
>what was the audience for Samurai Jack
>boys aged 6-11 and their fathers
I get it, you see the world through the eyes of executives for the sake of your career, quit pushing your damage on other people.
and you can continue supporting a culture of shitty indie pilots that go nowhere because today's artists are too moronic to have any common sense, let alone business sense
>MUH INDEPENDENT CREATIVITY
ah yes, just look at all those successful indie pilots, we should give all artists total creative freedom because that NEVER goes wrong at all
Absolutely true for majority of the indy toons out there.
But genuinely the wacky zany comedy toons in a wacky setting already works well enough for the younger kid audience, which LGG fits right in. Normally it's the weird shit like 90% of the Better Cartoon stuff from Twitter a year or two ago that has absolutely no audience at all. Or the twitter self insert crap, there is no audience for someone's whining life sucks cartoon. I just don't think LGG is one of these.
Apparently Warner wanted it and was negotiating to make it into a series then dropped all contact and never said anything again
Because gays and furries have no taste. If you add any elements that appeal to them, they will make your shit turn oil profits.
Fujo bait unironically.
You want a successful show in the modern era? You need hot girls and hot guys and there should be plausible shipping. The only other option for success is literal paw patrol shit. Which is a funny example because fujos as well as young kids love paw patrol.
The timing
no tumblr sexymen
Did Tara and Zach ever revealed which streamer picked them up only to drop them during the pandemic beacuse the streamer wasn't interested on young adult shows?
Best bet was Netflix
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I do. It is also a real shame I didn't about the figurines
I wanted SEXY native american women and COOL looking monsters/cryptids.
I forgot about it. But now I wanna know how they are doing.
I cursed this when they changed two pigtails to one pony tail
Also LGG needed a writer: "he's a 50s greaser who looks like he was kicked out of Gorillaz just BECAUSE" no zach, frick you and your self insert
Fricking Nomad of Nowhere had a better hook, concept and style
ponytail is superior to pig tails.
That's because no one cares about it. I never liked that cartoon.
It was a concept that could've had a really strong, funny 8 to 11 minute pilot. Instead, it was stretched out into 21 minutes where scenes dragged on, the comedy is cliché, and some of the plot points meandered. Also, a couple of voice performances weren't very good.
Comedy is way easier to do when you don't have to do a lot of it. Unfortunately, they chose to try and fill up 21 minutes with jokes when it was clear they didn't have enough material to fill the time. If your comedy cartoon isn't very funny, then it's forgettable. There's a reason why Becky Prim is more memorable than Long Gone Gulch or Monkey Wrench despite the former being an animatic and the latter being fully fleshed out animated episodes.
Do you guys think a Western would do better if it had Coyote (the god) as a recurring character