These films were a complete waste of potential. What they did to Shaw was Ridley rubbing it in
It was like saying >look i ruined Prometheus and now i'm ruining Shaw
this pissed me off in theaters. noomi rapace didn't want to come back for whatever reason so they just did this. i actually liked prometheus but alien: covenant is a piece of shit.
It was Fox who decided to kill her off. They wanted to distance the movie from Prometheus, that's why it's called Alien: Covenant and not just Covenant.
Not true, Fox simply greenlit the sequel after a long time, but Noomi moved onto other movies already. Ridley didn't want to wait so they rewrote the movie. Not sure if you realised this, but Ridley really likes to just shoot movies, he's not wasting years on anything
Ridley said keeping her character alive was essential and Noomi said they only called her for the short movie and that she wasn't supposed to be in Covenant.
Gotta hedge your bets, catch as much of the audience as possible. Both the people who hated and liked Prometheus. Both who wanted a straight alien movie and those who wanted a Prometheus sequel.
>“I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth”
I know it's easy to laugh at, but if it was your money on the line and the data analysts showed to the projected earnings, you'd probably go with it too.
this pissed me off in theaters. noomi rapace didn't want to come back for whatever reason so they just did this. i actually liked prometheus but alien: covenant is a piece of shit.
The problem was people watched Prometheus expecting Alien and whoever was in charge took those idiots complaints to heart.
Prometheus was a fine film and squeal should have finished the story with Shaw finding the engineers.
that was just the studies attempting to piggyback on the successes of an existing franchise to guarantee an audience.
The trailers made it clear while it was set in the alien universe it was not an alien film but something different.
It was fine especially in retrospect with the absolute garbage that is being produced today.
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Anonymous
Things being bad today does not make old bad things better.
9 months ago
Anonymous
each time the shit lowers the bar, a shit movie from yesterday becomes "good enough"
9 months ago
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It is part of the absolute garbage that is being produced today. Except it doesn't go in the "Man walking over a line from 2 tall buildings THE MOVIE" category, it goes in the "Life-changing movie, the evolution of artistic films SIKE, our creator didn't even go to film school LMAO" category
It's like those animated shows from Disney that promise a shit ton of lore, action, adventure and you're stuck with slice of life 99% and for that 1% you're disappointed completely with the reveal, lore, world design, explanation, etc.
Prometheus is Steven Universe tier. Star Vs tier, Owl House tier, Amphibia tier, etc.
>it was just unnamed group of people, nobody involved was responsible. blame these mystery people, it would have totally been cool if they didnt interfer 😉
Basically this. They thought it would make bank if they put more ayyliums to please normies, but it ended up flopping hard and made less money than Prometheus. The only redeeming aspects were Fassie android shenanigans and some cool Alien gore.
Basically tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing no one - moral of the story is to not be a sellout hack
Prometheus is a fantastic movie with a few minor flaws (Guy Pierce's shitty old man makeup, Idris Elba's accent). People seem to be more fond of it nowadays than when it came out. I reckon it'll have the same trajectory as Blade Runner, will be recognised as a classic sci-fi after a couple decades. Unfortunately can't be said for Covenant which was a major letdown for Alien and Prometheus simps like myself. Nothing original, just unsatisfying "conclusions" to Prometheus plot threads and generic alien gore.
Unfortunately Ridley is definitely too old to conclude his trilogy in a satisfying way, and Fede Alvarez's new flick will probably suck
Its mythology. Prometheus is the god that gave man fire. The Gods (engineers) are paranoid that humanity will rise up and wipe them out.
So they plan to exterminate humanity and make a new humanity. Thats what the Engineer was about to do at the end.
It's religion, vague religious themes. What I'm referring to here is the vague christian philosophy that's been smeared all over the film, of course vague christian philosophy will have parallells with greek mythology (the story you referenced was just part of the religions of the day).
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The religious theme is Milton's paradise lost. Most of the other stuff is Ancient Greek myth.
Its mythology. Prometheus is the god that gave man fire. The Gods (engineers) are paranoid that humanity will rise up and wipe them out.
So they plan to exterminate humanity and make a new humanity. Thats what the Engineer was about to do at the end.
its ancient aliens spiritual nonsense that boomers made up in the 1970s when they were tricked into abandoning christianity, updated for 2010. during the 70s there was a revival in researching shit like sumeria and baylon, and some boomer frick did a fake translation of ancient sumerian texts (nobody else studied that dead language to call him out on it) and wrote abunch of gay books about how ancient aliens made humans and some sumerian beer reciept written in cuniform was proof. It gave birth to a bunch of cults and religious movements in the 70s and 80s revolving around space aliens making humans as slaves to mine gold or some shit.
I assumed that what was being lauded was the messages and themes, because the film in itself taken at face value is very mediocre and contains a lot of just outright bad scenes and writing
>contains a lot of just outright bad scenes and writing
Subjective opinion so I can't argue with that. I don't think it's perfect but the ambition is very compelling. There's a lot of "vague" shit that people complain about, but I like filling the gaps myself. It's one of the most rewatchable films for that reason to me. I didn't fully love it until my fourth or fifth viewing. Maybe that's just Ridley Stockholm Syndrome though
>Ridley Stockholm Syndrome
I think you're unto something. Bladerunner fanboys managed to get the world to appreciate their film. I think this is what's happening with every Ridley film since then. Its fans try to meme every film into a cult success. It's not just Alien which can be chalked up to a beloved franchise, the same shit was pulled with Kingdom of Heaven. Is Ridley aware of this?
9 months ago
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>Is Ridley aware of this?
not only is he aware but he takes advantage of the feedback loop.
9 months ago
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Eh that's not a bad thing. Personally I don't love Blade Runner but it definitely has rewatch value - Ridley is an extremely talented visual director even if his scripts are hit or miss. He's not a GOATest of all time director but he clearly has a knack for sci-fi that pleases geeks like myself who want more than StarShit
Nah the flaw with Prometheus is everyone is just too stupid. It's a trillion dollar mission and the people they chose are not smart.
The whole weyland thing should have been explored more, they shouldn't have cut the scenes with young weyland.
>It's a trillion dollar mission and the people they chose are not smart.
they were the smartest
high technology was just papering over the fact that IQ had been on the decrease for many years, much like today.
Their world was filled with idiots being supported by automated systems and robots.
they absolutely were not. In cut dialogue weylands daughter specifically states she deliberately chose the biggest morons in their fields she could find to staff the crew with to frick up dear daddies big expedition
dunno. At least half of the dumb shittery could at least get some explanation.
Like stoner bros touching the rapeworm. Because in eralier scenes they found local jellyfish like wildlife inside the base that reacted positively to being touched
or the captain suiciding his ship against the unknown flying chicken bone without question. Because earlier he explained how during a war back on earth they did a raid on a chemical weapons plant and how this entire engi site reminds him of it. Thus as soon as shaw mentioned its carrying death he knew what she was rambling about
or the entire sequence where the engineer was interacting with books/music/media in the crashed lifepod and not immediately attacked shaw on sight but was waiting for something from her
This might be a lame explanation but in my "head canon" Weyland didn't hire the world's best scientists and archaeologists, just some competent randos who were willing to sign a waiver that they might not return to Earth. He was mainly enamored with Shaw's research and wild theories (stated directly in the movie) so it makes sense that she's the most capable of the team. Also, he was an old, desperate rich man trying to find meaning in life so it makes sense that he wouldn't know or care about the repercussions
I think the implication was that the entire thing was just a charade to get Shaw out there with him as a "lucky rabbits foot"
He had David and didn't need anyone else. He was perhaps planning to kill everyone he brought along including his daughter
That's a good analogy. The crew was obviously expendable to him, and his own daughter/android (?) was just there as a fail safe, though maybe he had a desire to share his engineer meeting moment with his own "creations"
>though maybe he had a desire to share his engineer meeting moment with his own "creations"
David was his proof to show to "god" that he was like him and an equal deserving eternal life.
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I think thats the reason why the Engineer attacked. He saw the android and thought >oh shit oh frick these humans have a rogue android and they don't even know it, and its immune to the goo out most powerful weapon! >to the wienerpit!
9 months ago
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who knew the engineers are firm adherents of the orange catholic bible
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i think it was more like a game to them the ultimate game if you will.
He basically concluded if they got hold of the juggernaut, they'd inevitably destroy Paradise. Which was what happened in the sequel.
So it was either humans or them.
The android angle perhaps added to the alarm because here was a sign humanity had become a credible threat
>Dune
Thats interesting you should say maybe the reason for it was a technology vs biotechnology thing. The Engineers had banned non-biological tech.
The big reveals and plot twists weren't grand enough.
I wanted them to meet an actual Lovecraftian alien god as the source of the goo and xenos.
It should have been completely surreal and disorientating to the point audience would be screaming in fear and anger and passing out.
you would need the cooperation of the theater to slip a hallucinogen into the popcorn and make sure to time it right.
i mean drugging people against their will is wrong but it would be kino
That's what I've been saying for years, but this board is full of pleb fricks. I'm glad someone shares my opinion, wanna get together or something at my place? Maybe I can roast us some meat, I have a 1945 Chateau Monton. You know, just two bros hanging out, what? We don't even have to frick...unless you want to
this whole board shits up every Prometheus/Covenant thread with the same complaints without realising it was the studio who forced Ridley to make these films as they were. They did not want him to explore the engineers as he wanted, but rather shoehorn the same meme alien rubbish we have already seen a hundred times because it was safe. You all know who run the studios, so now ask yourselves why would they do this? Why would they force Ridley (white man) to not tell the story of the engineers? What was going to be told? Please remember the engineer sent to Earth (Jesus (PBUH)) 2000 years ago was killed…once this was hinted at in Prometheus the plug was pulled. You work out the rest
Covenant is absolutely based, if you thinks it's trash you need to rewatch asap. Every scene that's not an alien kill scene is awesome and full of interesting stuff. And even about half the alien kill scenes which were obviously studio mandated shit that Ridley didn't give a frick about are pretty awesome.
i was actually impressed by the choreography and aesthetics of the killing scenes, very well done
my biggest complain about covenant is that it's not really interesting, all crew members are charisma voids except waterston and they manage to be even more incompetent than the ones in prometheus
at points it almost felt like a slasher parody where they're doing everything they possibly can to get murdered
She got David'd. Honestly I didn't mind that plot point, it was obvious to me in Prom that he had extremely sadistic and genocidal ambitions. But the execution was poor, not having Shaw in the movie at all was a mistake. Finding her half-alive in a mutated tortured state begging for death would've been kino
Imagine liking a film written by David Lindelof. It is similar to Jar Jar Abrams. Just think of the mayhem that Lost, a shitty TV programme, has caused.
I genuinely remember watching Prometheus in theatres. Was the worst film I’d ever seen and had to apologise to my father for dragging him along to see it
I don't get why people have such a hate boner for it. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest sci fi movie ever, probably a disappointment if you went in expected THE REAL ALIEN 2, but it's still a slick looking well paced movie with some interesting things in it.
Yeah, some people acted stupid and got killed by aliens. So what? How is that rage inducing?
I just don't get it.
>Yeah, some people acted stupid and got killed by aliens. So what? How is that rage inducing?
i don't get it either, it made people so irrationally mad that it had to have insulted them on a deep personal level. but why would you be so emotionally invested in the competence of scifi scientists? was it some sort of reddit atheism thing that scientists must always be portrayed as logical and correct like they're mr spock?
they fricked up the film big time by omitting lots of info.
Like the simple line >engineers were modifying humans over many thousands of years.
Would explain so much
They considered making earth Prometheus Jesus, but realized it would be too much (rightfully so) and chose to leave everything ambiguous and unfulfilling.
i have the perfect idea for how these films should have gone or a finale film, using inspiration from classic cinema.
But i'll say the barebones idea that i expected before Covenant. >Shaw and David travel to the Engineer's homeworld which is a biomechanical hellscape, so Paradise was a misnomer but sincere from Davids warped perspective. >you'd discover the Engineers were just a type of replicant servitor, thats why they are mute and not gods at all. >the Engineers wouldn't be hostile initially and act with a mix of disinterest and mild curiosity at Shaw heightening the surrealness (because somethings definitely wrong) >they discover the Engineers are actually ruled by a super intelligent alien "God" and the origin of the goo.
So I just put on the film since the thread is talking about it, why not.
Anyways did they ever answer the engineers left a map to their weapons facility?
The reason humans and Engineers shared dna was supposedly because the Engineers would every 1000 years add to human dna.
Slowly turning humans into Engineers.
He didn't but the information he didn't was kept out of the movie. In the Davids lab shorts he explains he learned how to do it from the Engineers. Who were making xenomorphs a long time ago.
Also theres facehuggers on the deacon mural.
The deacon was like a special God version of a xenomorph they made in a special ritual. It involved a genetically engineered special Engineer to be the host.
It had divine blood that could be used to create life or possibly all their biotechnology even. Any way it was very important to them.
The xenos was some sort of ancient sacrificial ritual, its not really explained but the xenos and engineers may be the same species just at different stages. Like a caterpillar and butterfly.
>It had divine blood that could be used to create life
Wasn't that how life was created on earth. An engineer ingested the black goo and sacrificed himself.
Yes, he used their black goo to do it and creatures like it already existed but only his creation is biomechanical, the xenomorph in Alien and its sequels are all David's creation.
You're thinking of deacons, they're not biomechanical. He may have started with a recipe for one but he tweaked it, here's Ridley Scott saying David created the xenomorph. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEF8QCLyW0
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>Ridley Scott saying David created the xenomorph
based
all of alien franchise cucks must hang >hurr durr look how I fantasize about some slimey frick destroying my weak puny human race
Only cool alien movie is starship troopers cuz we frick those c**ts up, but you cucks? you cucks should kill urselves
>movie bad because people die >if you like the original Alien you are an “Alien franchise supporter”
I actually appreciate people like you on the internet because it reminds me of the way I used to think when I was a small child
>anons in this thread thinking Ridley Scott was directly responsible for anything good
lol
As time passes we can see more and more that he is a total hack
meanwhile his brother was the actual auteur
Literally all they had to do is say that the planet they were on was the same from first Alien movie. Everyone would shit their pants from joy. And then Damon Lindelof came, said "yeah but... what if its not?!" took a huge mystery dump on the script, and left satisfied.
These films were a complete waste of potential. What they did to Shaw was Ridley rubbing it in
It was like saying
>look i ruined Prometheus and now i'm ruining Shaw
Alien covenant is the most disappointing thing since my son
It was Fox who decided to kill her off. They wanted to distance the movie from Prometheus, that's why it's called Alien: Covenant and not just Covenant.
Not true, Fox simply greenlit the sequel after a long time, but Noomi moved onto other movies already. Ridley didn't want to wait so they rewrote the movie. Not sure if you realised this, but Ridley really likes to just shoot movies, he's not wasting years on anything
>autist just wants to shoot movies
kind of based when you think of it
No it's not. He should just shoot private pornos if his dick still works and actually save his energy for good movies.
I will never forgive him for the insanely boring Robin Hood and it's moronic D-Day scene.
Ridley said keeping her character alive was essential and Noomi said they only called her for the short movie and that she wasn't supposed to be in Covenant.
I heard that Noomi was planned to become a Neomorph queen.
What was the point of making them a wishy-washy prequel? Either commit to it or don't do it
Gotta hedge your bets, catch as much of the audience as possible. Both the people who hated and liked Prometheus. Both who wanted a straight alien movie and those who wanted a Prometheus sequel.
>“I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth”
I know it's easy to laugh at, but if it was your money on the line and the data analysts showed to the projected earnings, you'd probably go with it too.
this pissed me off in theaters. noomi rapace didn't want to come back for whatever reason so they just did this. i actually liked prometheus but alien: covenant is a piece of shit.
The problem was people watched Prometheus expecting Alien and whoever was in charge took those idiots complaints to heart.
Prometheus was a fine film and squeal should have finished the story with Shaw finding the engineers.
>The problem was people watched Prometheus expecting Alien
PERHAPS It's because the film was marketed as THE ALIEN PREQUEL
that was just the studies attempting to piggyback on the successes of an existing franchise to guarantee an audience.
The trailers made it clear while it was set in the alien universe it was not an alien film but something different.
The movie just wasn't that good anon
It was fine especially in retrospect with the absolute garbage that is being produced today.
Things being bad today does not make old bad things better.
each time the shit lowers the bar, a shit movie from yesterday becomes "good enough"
It is part of the absolute garbage that is being produced today. Except it doesn't go in the "Man walking over a line from 2 tall buildings THE MOVIE" category, it goes in the "Life-changing movie, the evolution of artistic films SIKE, our creator didn't even go to film school LMAO" category
It's like those animated shows from Disney that promise a shit ton of lore, action, adventure and you're stuck with slice of life 99% and for that 1% you're disappointed completely with the reveal, lore, world design, explanation, etc.
Prometheus is Steven Universe tier. Star Vs tier, Owl House tier, Amphibia tier, etc.
>it was just unnamed group of people, nobody involved was responsible. blame these mystery people, it would have totally been cool if they didnt interfer 😉
why are boomers like this.
Basically this. They thought it would make bank if they put more ayyliums to please normies, but it ended up flopping hard and made less money than Prometheus. The only redeeming aspects were Fassie android shenanigans and some cool Alien gore.
Basically tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing no one - moral of the story is to not be a sellout hack
>The problem was people watched Prometheus expecting Alien
Like... how it was marketed?
It wasn't a Sci fi horror movie
It was literally
> REMEMBER ALIEN THE MOVIE? HERE'S AN ALIEN RELATED MOVIE WITH MILKY DROIDS AND STRONG FEMALE AND THE EGGS AND THE SPACE JOCKEY
>but don't you dare expect Aliens©!
Frick you dude
I don't watch trailers like a dense, goyslop starving, homosexual
>Make claim about marketing
>proven wrong
>huh I huh don't watch any marketing really, I was just making shit up...
Fricking imbred morons
Prometheus was a colossal piece of shit. Literally the only thing I will give it is that it looks nice. The script is fricking moronic.
Noomi was the best thing in the film, she was really cute too
There was a rumor at the time that she didnt like working with Fassbender and told Ridley he could have her or him. He chose Fassbender.
She became a veganawoman?
Well basically the host in these movies in a pseudo egg
plebs were filtered
Prometheus is a fantastic movie with a few minor flaws (Guy Pierce's shitty old man makeup, Idris Elba's accent). People seem to be more fond of it nowadays than when it came out. I reckon it'll have the same trajectory as Blade Runner, will be recognised as a classic sci-fi after a couple decades. Unfortunately can't be said for Covenant which was a major letdown for Alien and Prometheus simps like myself. Nothing original, just unsatisfying "conclusions" to Prometheus plot threads and generic alien gore.
Unfortunately Ridley is definitely too old to conclude his trilogy in a satisfying way, and Fede Alvarez's new flick will probably suck
Prometheus doesn't have anything to say, though. It just has vague religous themes smeared over it, which makes some people think that it's deep.
Mythological, they tried to go harder with religious themes in the sequel.
The religious themes in Prometheus were kinda subtle
>Mythological, they tried to go harder with religious themes in the sequel.
The religious themes in Prometheus were kinda subtle
No, it was clearly vague and shallow religious themes, not mythological. They were shallow, not subtle.
Its mythology. Prometheus is the god that gave man fire. The Gods (engineers) are paranoid that humanity will rise up and wipe them out.
So they plan to exterminate humanity and make a new humanity. Thats what the Engineer was about to do at the end.
It's religion, vague religious themes. What I'm referring to here is the vague christian philosophy that's been smeared all over the film, of course vague christian philosophy will have parallells with greek mythology (the story you referenced was just part of the religions of the day).
The religious theme is Milton's paradise lost. Most of the other stuff is Ancient Greek myth.
its ancient aliens spiritual nonsense that boomers made up in the 1970s when they were tricked into abandoning christianity, updated for 2010. during the 70s there was a revival in researching shit like sumeria and baylon, and some boomer frick did a fake translation of ancient sumerian texts (nobody else studied that dead language to call him out on it) and wrote abunch of gay books about how ancient aliens made humans and some sumerian beer reciept written in cuniform was proof. It gave birth to a bunch of cults and religious movements in the 70s and 80s revolving around space aliens making humans as slaves to mine gold or some shit.
It doesn't need to "say" anything homie it's just a great sci-fi horror film with amazing aesthetics - film is a visual medium after all.
I assumed that what was being lauded was the messages and themes, because the film in itself taken at face value is very mediocre and contains a lot of just outright bad scenes and writing
>contains a lot of just outright bad scenes and writing
Subjective opinion so I can't argue with that. I don't think it's perfect but the ambition is very compelling. There's a lot of "vague" shit that people complain about, but I like filling the gaps myself. It's one of the most rewatchable films for that reason to me. I didn't fully love it until my fourth or fifth viewing. Maybe that's just Ridley Stockholm Syndrome though
>Ridley Stockholm Syndrome
I think you're unto something. Bladerunner fanboys managed to get the world to appreciate their film. I think this is what's happening with every Ridley film since then. Its fans try to meme every film into a cult success. It's not just Alien which can be chalked up to a beloved franchise, the same shit was pulled with Kingdom of Heaven. Is Ridley aware of this?
>Is Ridley aware of this?
not only is he aware but he takes advantage of the feedback loop.
Eh that's not a bad thing. Personally I don't love Blade Runner but it definitely has rewatch value - Ridley is an extremely talented visual director even if his scripts are hit or miss. He's not a GOATest of all time director but he clearly has a knack for sci-fi that pleases geeks like myself who want more than StarShit
Nah the flaw with Prometheus is everyone is just too stupid. It's a trillion dollar mission and the people they chose are not smart.
The whole weyland thing should have been explored more, they shouldn't have cut the scenes with young weyland.
>It's a trillion dollar mission and the people they chose are not smart.
they were the smartest
high technology was just papering over the fact that IQ had been on the decrease for many years, much like today.
Their world was filled with idiots being supported by automated systems and robots.
they absolutely were not. In cut dialogue weylands daughter specifically states she deliberately chose the biggest morons in their fields she could find to staff the crew with to frick up dear daddies big expedition
that does make a great deal of sense
why was all the important dialogue cut from the movie?
dunno. At least half of the dumb shittery could at least get some explanation.
Like stoner bros touching the rapeworm. Because in eralier scenes they found local jellyfish like wildlife inside the base that reacted positively to being touched
or the captain suiciding his ship against the unknown flying chicken bone without question. Because earlier he explained how during a war back on earth they did a raid on a chemical weapons plant and how this entire engi site reminds him of it. Thus as soon as shaw mentioned its carrying death he knew what she was rambling about
or the entire sequence where the engineer was interacting with books/music/media in the crashed lifepod and not immediately attacked shaw on sight but was waiting for something from her
This might be a lame explanation but in my "head canon" Weyland didn't hire the world's best scientists and archaeologists, just some competent randos who were willing to sign a waiver that they might not return to Earth. He was mainly enamored with Shaw's research and wild theories (stated directly in the movie) so it makes sense that she's the most capable of the team. Also, he was an old, desperate rich man trying to find meaning in life so it makes sense that he wouldn't know or care about the repercussions
I think the implication was that the entire thing was just a charade to get Shaw out there with him as a "lucky rabbits foot"
He had David and didn't need anyone else. He was perhaps planning to kill everyone he brought along including his daughter
That's a good analogy. The crew was obviously expendable to him, and his own daughter/android (?) was just there as a fail safe, though maybe he had a desire to share his engineer meeting moment with his own "creations"
>though maybe he had a desire to share his engineer meeting moment with his own "creations"
David was his proof to show to "god" that he was like him and an equal deserving eternal life.
I think thats the reason why the Engineer attacked. He saw the android and thought
>oh shit oh frick these humans have a rogue android and they don't even know it, and its immune to the goo out most powerful weapon!
>to the wienerpit!
who knew the engineers are firm adherents of the orange catholic bible
i think it was more like a game to them the ultimate game if you will.
He basically concluded if they got hold of the juggernaut, they'd inevitably destroy Paradise. Which was what happened in the sequel.
So it was either humans or them.
The android angle perhaps added to the alarm because here was a sign humanity had become a credible threat
>Dune
Thats interesting you should say maybe the reason for it was a technology vs biotechnology thing. The Engineers had banned non-biological tech.
>People seem to be more fond of it nowadays than when it came out.
Lol, nobody is fond of it, then or now. Get out of your bubble.
Anyone not expecting David to do shit like this was naive
This is a fella. I've never been more certain of anything in my life
nah
The big reveals and plot twists weren't grand enough.
I wanted them to meet an actual Lovecraftian alien god as the source of the goo and xenos.
It should have been completely surreal and disorientating to the point audience would be screaming in fear and anger and passing out.
you would need the cooperation of the theater to slip a hallucinogen into the popcorn and make sure to time it right.
i mean drugging people against their will is wrong but it would be kino
That's what I've been saying for years, but this board is full of pleb fricks. I'm glad someone shares my opinion, wanna get together or something at my place? Maybe I can roast us some meat, I have a 1945 Chateau Monton. You know, just two bros hanging out, what? We don't even have to frick...unless you want to
this whole board shits up every Prometheus/Covenant thread with the same complaints without realising it was the studio who forced Ridley to make these films as they were. They did not want him to explore the engineers as he wanted, but rather shoehorn the same meme alien rubbish we have already seen a hundred times because it was safe. You all know who run the studios, so now ask yourselves why would they do this? Why would they force Ridley (white man) to not tell the story of the engineers? What was going to be told? Please remember the engineer sent to Earth (Jesus (PBUH)) 2000 years ago was killed…once this was hinted at in Prometheus the plug was pulled. You work out the rest
i think the Jesus thing is lame especially because i think the Engineers aren't supposed to be good
Jesus was not going to be an engineer
yes he was gonna be a carpenter and the semites fricking killed him
>They
Oh no David is non-binary? How does that even work for robots that are built upon binary operations?
>muh subtle religious imagery
are prometheus fanboys the western equivalent of evageeks
Covenant is absolutely based, if you thinks it's trash you need to rewatch asap. Every scene that's not an alien kill scene is awesome and full of interesting stuff. And even about half the alien kill scenes which were obviously studio mandated shit that Ridley didn't give a frick about are pretty awesome.
i was actually impressed by the choreography and aesthetics of the killing scenes, very well done
my biggest complain about covenant is that it's not really interesting, all crew members are charisma voids except waterston and they manage to be even more incompetent than the ones in prometheus
at points it almost felt like a slasher parody where they're doing everything they possibly can to get murdered
i only remember how the film was one big set up to shit on the religious guy
Didnt watch the movie, what's this supposed to be? What happened to her body?
She got David'd. Honestly I didn't mind that plot point, it was obvious to me in Prom that he had extremely sadistic and genocidal ambitions. But the execution was poor, not having Shaw in the movie at all was a mistake. Finding her half-alive in a mutated tortured state begging for death would've been kino
Imagine liking a film written by David Lindelof. It is similar to Jar Jar Abrams. Just think of the mayhem that Lost, a shitty TV programme, has caused.
>Search David Lindelof
>HBO Watchmen
well there's no chance from the start
I genuinely remember watching Prometheus in theatres. Was the worst film I’d ever seen and had to apologise to my father for dragging him along to see it
I don't get why people have such a hate boner for it. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest sci fi movie ever, probably a disappointment if you went in expected THE REAL ALIEN 2, but it's still a slick looking well paced movie with some interesting things in it.
Yeah, some people acted stupid and got killed by aliens. So what? How is that rage inducing?
I just don't get it.
>Yeah, some people acted stupid and got killed by aliens. So what? How is that rage inducing?
i don't get it either, it made people so irrationally mad that it had to have insulted them on a deep personal level. but why would you be so emotionally invested in the competence of scifi scientists? was it some sort of reddit atheism thing that scientists must always be portrayed as logical and correct like they're mr spock?
they fricked up the film big time by omitting lots of info.
Like the simple line
>engineers were modifying humans over many thousands of years.
Would explain so much
They considered making earth Prometheus Jesus, but realized it would be too much (rightfully so) and chose to leave everything ambiguous and unfulfilling.
i have the perfect idea for how these films should have gone or a finale film, using inspiration from classic cinema.
But i'll say the barebones idea that i expected before Covenant.
>Shaw and David travel to the Engineer's homeworld which is a biomechanical hellscape, so Paradise was a misnomer but sincere from Davids warped perspective.
>you'd discover the Engineers were just a type of replicant servitor, thats why they are mute and not gods at all.
>the Engineers wouldn't be hostile initially and act with a mix of disinterest and mild curiosity at Shaw heightening the surrealness (because somethings definitely wrong)
>they discover the Engineers are actually ruled by a super intelligent alien "God" and the origin of the goo.
nice monstrussy
>all the promotional material was better than the actual film
%3D
He literally turned her into a vaccine factory.
So I just put on the film since the thread is talking about it, why not.
Anyways did they ever answer the engineers left a map to their weapons facility?
Its either a trap
or
The titular Prometheus gave humanity a map to stop the goo silos
Remember anon, it's not about the size of the dog in the fight. It's about the size of the egg in the chest cavity.
The reason humans and Engineers shared dna was supposedly because the Engineers would every 1000 years add to human dna.
Slowly turning humans into Engineers.
>there are morons that still think David made the xenomorphs
He did though, the alien in Prometheus was a deacon.
He didn't but the information he didn't was kept out of the movie. In the Davids lab shorts he explains he learned how to do it from the Engineers. Who were making xenomorphs a long time ago.
Also theres facehuggers on the deacon mural.
The deacon was like a prototype for a xeno or a natural animal that they used to build a xeno?
Why were they building xenos anyway?
The deacon was like a special God version of a xenomorph they made in a special ritual. It involved a genetically engineered special Engineer to be the host.
It had divine blood that could be used to create life or possibly all their biotechnology even. Any way it was very important to them.
The xenos was some sort of ancient sacrificial ritual, its not really explained but the xenos and engineers may be the same species just at different stages. Like a caterpillar and butterfly.
also too add its not clear but the ending of Prom shows just that, a new Deacon is born
>It had divine blood that could be used to create life
Wasn't that how life was created on earth. An engineer ingested the black goo and sacrificed himself.
Yes, he used their black goo to do it and creatures like it already existed but only his creation is biomechanical, the xenomorph in Alien and its sequels are all David's creation.
No and you are wrong. He quite literally learned how to make xenos from the Engineers, as in he found literally a recipe to make xenos.
You're thinking of deacons, they're not biomechanical. He may have started with a recipe for one but he tweaked it, here's Ridley Scott saying David created the xenomorph. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEF8QCLyW0
>Ridley Scott saying David created the xenomorph
based
all of alien franchise cucks must hang
>hurr durr look how I fantasize about some slimey frick destroying my weak puny human race
Only cool alien movie is starship troopers cuz we frick those c**ts up, but you cucks? you cucks should kill urselves
>movie bad because people die
>if you like the original Alien you are an “Alien franchise supporter”
I actually appreciate people like you on the internet because it reminds me of the way I used to think when I was a small child
Doesn't every Alien movie end with humans blowing them out of the air dock? Do you even watch this shit?
>anons in this thread thinking Ridley Scott was directly responsible for anything good
lol
As time passes we can see more and more that he is a total hack
meanwhile his brother was the actual auteur
Literally all they had to do is say that the planet they were on was the same from first Alien movie. Everyone would shit their pants from joy. And then Damon Lindelof came, said "yeah but... what if its not?!" took a huge mystery dump on the script, and left satisfied.