I think that's four limited Kamala series in alone now. Could they be doing it deliberately because she sell paperbacks more?
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no shit. kamala hasn't sold above cancelation numbers since civil war 2. they tried their best to keep her book alive, hoping they could get it back up to a stable 30k, but it just kept dropping.
>kamala hasn't sold above cancelation numbers since civil war 2
1. Make a comic for causal readers.
2. Tie it into a shit event.
3. ???
4. NO PROFITS
Tying her in to shit events is the only way to get anyone other than librarians to buy her books.
Anon, according to
Ms. Marvel had steady sales before CW2, and after CW2 started to lose readers exponentially.
She averaged 30k before CWII which is normally cancellation numbers. What are you talking about?
I think cancellation numbers are 20k and under, no?
Miles spent a lot of time around 30k
Miles is another character who, like Ms Marvel, they could not cancel because they were diversity characters they wanted to lead their next generation of comics. The difference is, when Miles got his movie fans genuinely connected him, while Ms Marvel has had a video game centered around her and her own TV show and fans still don't care.
Marvel needs to learn that they should be marketing to boys and their moms. Not tumblr/twitter
>when Miles got his movie fans genuinely connected him
So his sales went up?
Like, say, the last 3 issues of Miles sold well?
Miles has his own book? Doesn't matter.
Even Marvel only thinks of him as a black version of a white character.
I doubt his comic sales went up but the success of the Spider-verse movies is undeniable. Ms Marvel has both low sales and the lowest rated MCU series ever-until Secret Wars came out. Also, everyone hated the Ms Marvel videogame.
How many times do I need to be explained Kamala does not it have a video game it was an Avengers video game? And how many MCU shows actually came out after kamalas at this point because they kept getting lower and lower ratings? And even with the Arkham series superheroes tend to get the worst license video games competitive Source material all the time. How many superhero video games do you have you consider good?
They sold it as a videogame but it was a stealth Kamala game (because they knew a Ms marvel titled game wouldn't sell). Even then, everyone hated her game and most players hated the character Ms Marvel. Sana Amanat has been rocket pushing Ms Marvel for years like she's Poochie trying to make her stick, but she still has no organic fanbase. If she did, viewers would have turned up to watch her show. Instead it was the lowest rated MCU show ever on Disney+, despite critics saying that it apparently was good. They can continue to push Ms Marvel all they want but when her new movie comes out and bombs it will be even more proof that fans don't give a shit about her.
>They sold it as a videogame
*They sold it as an Avengers videogame I meant
It's basically this. Marvel are owned by a massive parent corporation, so publishing a few titles that sell below normal cancellation levels won't put them out of business, and cancelling "black Spider-Man" and "muslim Ms Marvel" would lead to a lot of bad publicity and social media screeching, so taking a financial loss and continuing to push them is considered the lesser evil.
Ms Marvel is Sana Amanat's self insert. Kamala will continue to get a rocket Poochie push until Sana Amanat leaves Marvel, which probably will never happen.
Why are you obsessed with this notion only Librarians are buying her bucket that's where all the success comes from? Even if every Library brought every one of her back different issues available where they at all she sold half a million both of the schools at the public library hey what up equal nowhere near the amount of sales Kamala has gotten. And trust me I know how Library works at the popular they get multiple books in the same series if they're not you'll see one or two book. Did a librarian hurt you as a child?
The two big comic book companies have never only had comic books surrounding only download a list Heroes at a time they needed more Heroes and teams to fill up the catalog and to have a sustainable fan base. It would actually be a bad business decision to stop all together trying to stop make new Heroes or to only sell the ones get a household days in most of america.
Sad part is that the second volume is better than the first, and that includes the Civil War II tie in, by virtue of the fact the cast (at least the girls) all fit well together. A lot of it is due to the fact, too, that Zoe is far and away the best character and Wilson seemed to have a way better handle on writing her than anyone else. The issue where she has to fill in with Kamala is probably the best single issue of anything Kamala-related and she's not even in the book. Zoe is just both more interesting and entertaining and she had great chemistry with Red Dagger.
All books make a profit for the publisher. They only print what they sell to retailers, unless it's a big issue they'll overprint to flood the shelves
You casuals seem not to get how the biz works, comics are sold on the strength of their variant covers not their stories.
It's a collectors market.
Ms. Marvel is shipping with an Artgerm cover. The retailer will have to order say 10 copies of the regular cover to get one copy of the Artgerm one, the retailer will then flip the variants at a mark up to cover the cost of what they spent on the regular covers and any regular covers sold after that is pure profit.
Amazing Spider-Man is #1 every month for Marvel because people like the book. It's number one because it's being carried by J. Scott Campbell 50:1 variant covers every month.
>All books make a profit for the publisher. They only print what they sell to retailers, unless it's a big issue they'll overprint to flood the shelves
That's not true at all. They over print and overship all of their books, then count it as sales regardless of if it sells in the shop or not. Anyone who has ever worked in a comic shop knows this.
there's something so funny about Civil War being a curse like this
#1s and mini-series tend to sell better because people are more willing to commit money to something they know will end, instead of buying every book that comes out. The actual art and writing quality may as well not even matter, since all they're trying to do is trick stores into ordering more book that they'll ever sell.
While if Kamala is the protagonist I'm buying it in paperback.
I'm sorry to hear about your shit taste.
How absolutely dare you.
This isn't just ham-fisted MCU synergy, it's a sad, desperate last roll of the dice to try and make her sell as a solo character. If the X-gays don't show up in force to buy her new mini, she's destined to get moved into New Mutants or some other teen mutant team book. At first she'll be treated as the one of the book's lead characters, that won't last if she's still not a draw.
So long as Amanat's still at Marvel, Kamala's not going to be dropped into limbo entirely, nor end up a random casualty in an event story, but she won't be a solo character anymore, just another lower-tier mutant who has forgotten their human family and culture, whose stories are all about mutant issues.
I obviously know this is an MCU Synergy thing but that doesn't change the fact that like the last 3 years they had a number of limited series with her.
>So long as Amanat's still at Marvel, Kamala's not going to be dropped into limbo entirely, nor end up a random casualty in an event story, but she won't be a solo character anymore, just another lower-tier mutant who has forgotten their human family and culture, whose stories are all about mutant issues.
I would unironically read Ms Marvel stories if she got teamed with Dust and Dust got to call Ms Marvel out for her constant haram.
Duh. This was just a synergy thing. You really think they'd hand an ongoing to some dumb c**t who's only talent is play acting?
Sana Amanat has been pushing Ms Marvel for 8+ years now and she's not catching on. Why doesn't Marvel just end her push and start spamming heroes that people actually want like Spider-Man and old school non-gay threesome Wolverine? Sana keeps trying to make ms Marvel happen, and she's just never going to happen.
They fricking spam Spiderman all the time. There are like 5 Spiderman books right now for frick sake. Also Wolverine will never be non-gay anymore. No chance ever. You remember the backlash when they turned Hercules straight? Now he's the biggest homosexual in the whole Marvel multiverse. No one wants that for Wolverine so no one will risk a shit show.
>Could they be doing it deliberately because she sell paperbacks more?
She only sells paperbacks to woke librarians who think they are doing a civil service by ordering her books. Regular people do not actually buy Ms Marvel. If she had a real organic fanbase that actually existed, they would have watched her TV show.
It's because ongoings are really hard to keep nowadays and Kamala was never constant with her numbers. First arc is the one that sells more. Next arc is usually the big drop so Marvel nowadays just skips that drop and goes directly to relaunching.
How come manga like Spy X Family and My Hero Academia manage to sell increasingly more books in the US market even with books deep in to the run and several storyarcs in while capeshit books like Ms Marvel do the opposite the longer a run goes?
>9 chapters of manga for $10
>over $100 a month just to read everything from the big two
>10 issues of Marvel Masterworks for $50
>over $100 to get an entire run collected in one omnibus
>subscription service won't let you read new comics until 3 months later because "muh dying stores, can't let you actually be a part of comic fandom or anything or talk to anyone about comic books, that would destroy the industry!"
Why doesn't Marvel or DC switch to a model that is proven to sell in the current market instead of keeping up with their outdated business model that doesn't sell?
Marvel is at least trying with the Mighty Marvel Masterworks, which are reprints of Masterworks in small paperbacks for $15.
Isn't Primer one of DC's topselling books in a long time? DC and Marvel should stop wasting money with their ongoing titles no one wants and focus on making more books like Primer.
They should start doing black and white comics to reduce costs
Dogman and manga both do black and white and are making a killing. Why are capeshitter comics still clinging on to expensive to produce and expensive to purchase color comics? The last time I bought a capeshit book I felt moronic. It cost $5+ tax for 20 pages of story that were not even self contained or interesting, and was constantly interrupted by 8+ pages of obnoxious ads. They have an inker, colorist, writer, letterer, editor and assistant editor working on every book and they still are producing garbage no one wants. It seems like such a waste of time and energy, not to mention the paper it's printed on.
Exactly, just get someone with a vision and publish their comic. Maybe even get an artist if they cant draw, like one punch man
>Why are capeshitter comics still clinging on to expensive to produce and expensive to purchase color comics?
It's not that it's produced in color per se that's the problem but the fact that comics are published on more expensive glossy paper. Of course the switch was made because the digital coloring process, at least at the time, looked better on glossy paper than newsprint. Theoretically, switching back to newsprint should lower the price but realistically it wouldn't do shit because the companies believe they can get away with continuing to charge $4 and $5 per issue.
Newsprint actually costs more now than the glossy paper printing does.
They're doing the '90s Venom thing where she'll have a pseudo-ongoing via consecutive minis because nobody's going to buy a Ms. Marvel ongoing.
Its because they are getting the actor to write this a big publicity stunt. You really think they are going to get a 20 year old actor to write an ongoing?
Probably going to hand it off to the co-writer for an ongoing that will mostly go back to basics.
Also it is not even a publicity stunt. No body watched her show and as likable and knowledgeable about comics as she may be, no one fricking knows or cares about her. marvel comics are completely out of touch with what the fans want. It reminds me of when they hyped up JJ Abram's son for writing Spider-man and thought fans would be excited to read JJ and his nepobaby's fanfiction comic.
>what the fans want
A superhero where women want him and men want to be him?
MCU was so popular with women because every movie contained gratuitous shirtless scenes of the chad actors and their abs. That's all it takes to get women to like a nerdshit IP.
>remove sexy men with shirtless scenes showing off how strong they are
>replace them with covered up women
Who is The Marvels made for?
If they were casting hot women in less frumpy costumes, I'd say it's for men, but this isn't for anyone besides Sana Amanat.Disney is even marketing this as "The first female lead MCU movie", forgetting that Captain Marvel and Black Widow movies already exist.
I went to comichron for the first time in a few years to look up Miles' sales.
There's basically no information on any sales. Does no one report comic book sales anymore?
ICV2 does report the top 50 comics for each month
The problem is that back when Diamond held all the companies, it was easy to track which comics were ordered the most. After DC went to Lunar and Marvel primarily went with PRH, it's harder to track and compare how sales do, unless you use the ComicHub that ICV2 does (but even that's limited because not all comic shops use ComicHub
That's fine. Minis and maxis can work for certain characters.