Lore in games:
>China launched the first nukes after growing geo-political tension
Lore in TV show:
>UHM ACSHUALLY IT WAS LE EVIL CAPITALIST CORPORATION THAT DESTROYED THE WORLD
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Everyone involved in this shitty reddit show should kill themselves
yeah the motivation for vault technuking the world for profit is some umbrella tier shit
>yeah the motivation for vault technuking the world for profit is some umbrella tier shit
I'm genuinely surprised that more people aren't talking about how similar the Fallout show is to Resident Evil in some of these areas.
>We're here today not just to talk about the future of this company. We're here to talk about its destiny. We're here to talk about the end of the world. We stand on the brink of Armageddon. Diseases for which we have no cure. Fundamentalist states who call for our destruction. Nuclear powers over which we have no control.
>And even if we navigate these dangerous waters, we face other, even more inevitable threats. Global warming will melt the polar ice caps within 80 years, flooding 90% of all habitable areas on Earth. Unchecked population growth will overtake food production in less than 50 years, leading to famine and war.
>This is not conjecture. This is fact. One way or another, our world is coming to an end. Now, the question is, will we end with it?
>I propose that we end the world, but on our terms. An orchestrated apocalypse.
Also, two years after this movie came out, American Horror Story had a weirdly similar plotline.
I sometimes feel like Paul W.S. Anderson movies are the industry's dirty little secret. A lot of movies subtly or overtly copy his stuff. I was shocked by how much the Halo TV show was copying old Paul Anderson movies from the 90s, and it felt like crazy pills that nobody was acknowledging it. I remember watching Rogue One, and suddenly the ending is literally the ending from Pompeii. I'm watching Wonder Woman 1984, and suddenly the music from the emotional climax of Pompeii starts playing. Clearly, half the industry has seen this dude's movies. Composers, screenwriters, etc.
God when you say the plan again it sounds so fricking insane and convoluted. I would rather have that company be filled with deranged schizophrenic scientists and political leaders that are an occult-like group ironclad focused on ending the world rather than a bunch of suits that deluded themselves into thinking they should be the Kings of the apocalypse that they forced. It's so moronic
Name elements that were copied/aped from Event Horizon
Danny Boyle’s Sunshine comes to mind.
You watch a lot of slop
You should make a Youtube essay
it was the 90s, corporations being comically evil were present in pretty much all sci-fi media
you'd have a more credible take if you'd compared vault-tec with omni consumer products
Ella is hot af tho, that alone makes the show an 8/10 at least
have a nice day
>some flat Gollum they slapped a bunch of makeup on
my man, you are down disastrously bad
Tard. "Pretty woman make movie good."
that's really only valid criteria in porn my dude.
>10 pounds of makeup to create a israelite gollum Black person lover
>China launched the first nukes after growing geo-political tension
That's not the lore, you've never played the games
These threads are so tiresome
>Setting
>On October 23, 2077, a global nuclear war between the United States and China devastated the world and destroyed modern civilizations.
What now homosexual?
Where does it say China launched first?
This info is explicitly stated to be unknown. I like it being that way myself.
Bethesda meanwhile likes saying ACKSHULLY its was LE ALIENS or LE CAPITALISM.
Modern Cinemaphileners should be killed. You don’t watch media or play video games. You just want to endlessly talk aboit politics that you see as favoring you. In the same base in the same game, you can see a report about A.I being responsible for launching nukes and not any human. The president is shown to be a unknowledgeable moron on purpose.
You should applaud people for not watching this
and figuratively shitting in its thread instead
President richardson wasn't a ''moron'' you moron. He was the mastermind behind whole operation. The Chinese attacked first
Left wingers have trouble understanding nuance. They don’t comprehend the idea that someone can be a bad guy but also right sometimes and also not lying about literally everything
He wasn't Lying. The Chinese launched nukes first.
Obviously they did, america was invading mainland China and winning and just won the Alaskan front decisively
We have reached a point where political leftism is so annoying that mid-wits are defending the caricature corporations in fricking Fallout
That’s funny but I’m obviously not “defending” the insane fictional corporation. It just feels like Bethesda likes making cheap and stupid choices.
There is not a single concrete evidence it was the chinese. There are excerpts in the games where the military ASSUMES the planes that dropped the first bombs were chinese, and it's explicitly stated to be an assumption. There was never any "this is how the history objectively goes in-universe" about who dropped the bombs.
Ah yes, all those planes and submarines were secretly vault-tec which also secretly had an entire nuclear arsenal powerful enough to destroy the US in a first strike. it was DEFINITELY NOT CHINA, no siree.
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You only have to drop one bomb, MAD does the rest for you, especially when there had been conventional warfare going on already.
We have timelines down to the minute for the nuclear exchange. Where did they drop the one bomb? Where did they get the bomb from, the government/enclave? But wait, the first massive strike was from the Chinese, so did Vault-Tec bomb them instead and then MAD took care of the rest? Sounds legit, I'm sure nobody would have noticed that at all, not all the US nuke monitoring systems, the joint chiefs were all in on it, everyone just collectively completely failed to mention any part of this plan in all of their documents, transcripts and records even in their secret bunkers and bases where they were free to conspire all they wanted.
It's a fricking stupid retcon, the only thought Bethesda put into it was "wouldn't it be cool if all the cabidulists sat around a big table scheming cuz they're le ebil?"
imagine simping for capitalists lmao
>questioning the self-consistency of a fictional world = simping for capitalism
moron
You're missing the point, the acceleration of both labor-controlled states and hyper-capitalist fascist enclave ideology is what caused the war.
It's not about who dropped the nukes, it's about the inevitability of war.
War never changes.
>hyper-capitalist
>fascist
The laugh of the day.
Marxist detected
You're the one missing the point here.
The point is people don't want to know why a killer kills, but you decided for everyone that the killer has to be sympathized with
99% odds of this poster having thinning hair and unkempt beard.
if only there was a game/show about fallout that explore the inevitable return to war, the cycle of destruction that prevent humanity's rebirth, someway to show that war is part of humanity or some other "deep" bullshit about the nature of mankind...
oh wait that's Fallout New Vegas, the same game where the lore got raped by this show. I didn't see the show but im sure it's worth beyond mindless pulp fiction sci-fi slop entertainment...
Food and resource shortages aswell as a new plague push an American company to come up with a cure. They fail but make FEV instead. Information leaks to the public and the world blames America accusing it of making the plague in the first place. Around the same time China invades Alaska the only place with any real resources and are pushed back. Canada is annexed to maintain control of Alaska. Chinks seethe and fire the nukes.
Who launched the nukes first has never been fully disclosed in the games. The Vault Tech has always been an evil corporation though, no ifs, but buts.
>company that only cared about profits and didn’t care about safety of workers/employees and test subjects did dumb shit as a result of chasing those goals
>company doing evil shit to take over the world
Evil doesn’t come in only one flavor and trying to treat them as the exact same is why people are mocking this shit. Hollywood thinks “muh evil company” is the same old trope they always do
Vault tech was comically inept as well.
>The Vault Tech has always been an evil corporation though
Only since Fallout 2, where they decided to make all the vaults into bizarre social experiments
the Chinese were controlling the capitlists, simple as that
>china has stealth suits and spies
>rumors can get you fired
>there are asians in vaultec, government and hollywood
I wouldn't be surprised
The fact Cooper’s wife didn’t have their kid when the bombs went off is proof they didn’t launch them
or that she got heavily demoted from the group once they found our her husband was at the commie get together and she no longer was in the know about when it would happen
A person willing to start Armageddon is not a loving person?
No way!
Or maybe vault tech only allowed executives into their cryo chambers.
Both Kyle and Betty were frozen and the meeting that the wife was in was "above their paygrade". Can you reconcile that?
This. But even besides this, it's clear that Vault Tech didn't drop the bombs because half the people at that secret meeting didn't have their shit together in time. House didn't have his final upgrades before the bombs dropped, Sinclair's apocalypse-safe Casino wasn't properly finished and ended up killing him and his lady love. Hell, even Vault Tech canonically had some vaults that were not finished in time.
The most likely answer is that they were simply beaten to the punch. Nuclear war was already (seemingly) inevitable, that's kinda why Vault Tech existed in the first place. Their wanting to push the button just gives them more control over something that was already coming ... but China / the US / P.A.M / the Aliens / whatever seemingly beat them to it.
Or maybe the show is just really badly written.
Woah slow down there. Advertiser#38485747 can’t admit that! You must be incorrect because he needs more engagement not less!
games always let this not explicitly known.
US assumed it was china but nothing else.
Even asking Todd howard he didnt never told more about it
also same for what happened to other countries as well
We are hinted euro middle east war made those countries ruin with small bombs , F4 had some UK and Ireland people coming with boats to US.
So assumption is US is only country that was prepared with vaults
>Even asking Todd howard
Why would some man who had absolutely nothing to do with creating Fallout or writing Fallout backstory know more about Fallout backstory than the average layperson?
He hasn’t told Emile so they haven’t retconned that part of the story yet. That’s how they are writing this tv show by the way.
If this is a shock to you then you are to dumb for this series
Nta.
What if this was not a shock but I am just a dumb.
May I watch?
It's been a long time since I did the dumb.
You will enjoy it. Yet again mid-wits are left in the dust
This isn't made for fans of the games it's made for fans of liking things
I thought the ACTUAL lore was aliens started WW3?
Fallout 2 isn't canon
no the alien DLC in fallout 3
>Beth fallout
you may not like it, but that's who controls the Fallout IP now.
So yes, that's the lore
Why do you care you didn't play it
Shut up Todd
Alien ship, Godzilla footprint and Dr. Who phonebooth are in Fallout 1. I guess they're all fricking canon to FO universe now.
god, you larpers didn't even play 1 and 2
nta but i have played FO 1 through at least 6 times and dont remember meeting any of those. Justl ike i never met grail knights
Aliens in FO2 were just an easter-egg joke, that Emil took seriously.
Similarly to how he took seriously Avellone's shitposts about Vault 69 and the Vault with a chinchilla.
well some "people" like to claim that just because FO2 had a monty python reference the whole series from that point forward was le reddit shit conveniently forgetting that FO1 had equally goofy shit as well
obvious conclusion is that they didn't play either and just larp as oldgays
Well outside of obvious easter eggs FO2 was goofier but not to the point of silly like later FOs. New Reno is a good example of meme-ish content. Or parts of enclave. What i believe is that FO2 introduced vaults being human experiments which is the stupidest thing in the whole series
>vaults being human experiments which is the stupidest thing in the whole series
Please frick off
cope and seethe homosexual. Its the worst idea ever and anyone who likes it is reddit tier pseudointellectual
there arent any aliens in FO1 or 2. No, easter eggs doesn't count, they're just jokes.
jokes and easter eggs should be banned. reddit tier Black folklop for basedlenial manchildren
Imagine unironically typing like this. What a terminally online waste of oxygen.
To be fair, I think he was actually being ironic.
Pls explain.
Aliens are in 2 but it is a random encounter that MAY only be accessible through a restoration patch.
Also said patch has a star trek landing shuttle so feel free to consider it all a goof made by stones nerds
the aliens on the Zeta mothership kidnapped an American general and were trying to extract nuclear launch codes from him.
>Lore in games:
launched the first nukes after growing geo-political tension
Wrong
shant be watching this pozzed trash
>cums 20 meters up into the air and it falls 34 meters down into the shills mouths
>China launched the first nukes
Non canon, the whole point is it was a mystery and ut doesn't even matter anymore
launched the first nukes after growing geo-political tension
No, they did it because they learned about FEV.
Taking out a real word Geo-political rival and replacing it with that was just silly. There is no way for Vault-tec to launch Nukes. Unless they came out that said they and Enclave are one of the same. With cooperate espionage and spying being a thing, why would the Vault-tek Exec go into a meeting with a compromised Pip-boy too.
>5/10 woman offers sex to every virile man around her
>isn’t a single mother because of her life choices
>has almost no sex ever
Dropped
Easier to sell the show to China
Agreed. The lore ended when I was in highschool. Anything that happened after I graduated into a life of disappointment doesn't count. Sorry zoom zooms :o)
Pepita is super cute and Goggins is good, but the rest of the show is so pozzed its unbelievable.
makes perfect sense in the context of the TV show, for something they'll milk a few seasons out of it's better to have the protagonist/villain tied into the backstory rather than vague geopolitical musings that the game gives you. The show is for gamers and normal people alike, are we fricking Cinemaphile now or what?
they didn't have the balls to show china nuking the US because the US is china's b***h
Aliens tool control of the nuclear arsenals as by Fallout 3 DLC
It actually makes alot of sense from an in game perspective. The Chinese have no idea why they would want to turn the world into a nuclear wasteland just to lose. What did China get for starting the war?
It's making fun of them because they have a Culture of not loosing face, sore losers and rather start Nucleur War. Some real world examples Having food eating contests in Wuhan during the initial Covid-19 outbreak to show it's a "conspiracy" isn't logical either or When Mao pushed the Great Leap Forward and War on Sparrows that results in an Famine but double down on it.
this
all face-based societies are moronic and should be eradicated
back when fallout came out in 1997, it made more sense, but now evil capitalists are probably more of a threat to the regular person. either way how does that affect the show other than giving you an arbitrary reason to hate something for the sake of hating something?
t. someone who only ever played fallout 2 and will never bother watching this show or any of the other games
How does Lucy's butt look in the vault tec suit?
Garbage. The vault suit is more like overalls than a bodysuit.
FRICK
>Lore in games:
launched the first nukes after growing geo-political tension
That isn't the lore in the games you fricking dipshit. That's what the US accuse China of. People have suspected it was vault-tec from in-game clues for a decade
You don't even believe that you literally moronic homosexual. Vault-tec might incite it but nowhere in-game does it state that they were the one who launched the nukes but libtard moron fricktards are going to ignore everything and use their own moronic headcanon anyway.
>nowhere in-game does it state that they were the one who launched the nukes
And the show only shows them consider the idea. Somehow Coop's daughter was still in the open though, so maybe there's going to be a plot around how it started? Wouldn't that make for interesting TV?
China launching is headcanon btw
>Wouldn't that make for interesting TV?
Honestly? Yes, yes it would. Post-nukes timeskipped stories are boring.
Intermediary through the nuclear exchange with a follow up? Gimme that
>China launching is headcanon btw
No, it's not you dumb fricktard. It's a fact.
You believe the head of the enclave? At least you can admit you're a gullible moron. The enclave were never shown to be a nefarious organisation I guess.
He was correct about everything, and had no fricking reason to lie about it, 160 years after the fact. It's you fricking idiots who are making up all those moronic theories.
>correct about everything
>calls American civilization glorious
See a psychiatrist
American civilization glorious
Ahh so you are brown.
>chinks have been pushed out of alaska and are being slaughtered en masse in their homeland
>lets trigger MAD so that we don't win, why the frick not
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Switchboard
>You believe the head of the enclave?
I do yes
You just trust the word of the Enclave? Have you paid any attention to them and their characteristics? Like many of the factions in the franchise they are not trustworthy.
If you can't take their words at face value,especially in a case where they have no reason to lie,you might as well replace all dialogue in the game with lorem ipsum.
Anyone trying to deny that the chicoms didn't launch nukes is a troll. The world was nearly wiped clean of life. It's undisputed in the games. There was a war going on, so calling out what exactly triggered full nuclear exchange is trivial and pointless.
No, it's strongly hinted the other way around. Vaultec is responsible for the Vault experiments at the behest of Enclave. They were never actually meant for reclamation and the Rebuilding of America.
And where the frick would vault-tec get its own nuclear arsenal of missiles from, just managed to somehow develop, build and hide their own missile silos.
The idea is completely moronic that vault-tec did it
It takes one nuke that has been to made to look like it came from China, or even hacking into warning systems to make it appear like China had fired their arsenal to trigger the war
>China launched the first nuke
It's purposefully left ambiguous. Never explicitly stated who nuked who first. (You) probably know that though. Your moronbrain just wants to shitpost and meme about the show. You're just so typically uninteresting that unless you made purposefully inaccurate inflammatory statements your thread would die with 0 replies.
True! Too many Damn commies equivocating and trying to cover up their crimes. they even pointed to it in FO4.
Jan 28 2077, 4:32pm: All clear given from Anchorage.
Oct 23 2077, 12:03am: The United States Pacific Fleet (COMPACFLT) reports 3 unidentified submerged objects (USOs) off the California coast, Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) advise on the situation.
Oct 23 2077, 3:37am: The United States Air Force (USAF) spots a squadron of airplanes believed to be Chinese off the Bering Straight (Alaska).
Oct 23 2077, 9:13am: The Integrated Operational Nuclear Detection System (IONDS) reports launches of nuclear weapons.
Oct 23 2077, 9:17am: The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) confirms the launches.
Oct 23 2077, 9:26am: The United States launches their nuclear weapons (these are the same codes from Fort Constantine).
Oct 23 2077, 9:42am: Pennsylvania and New York are confirmed hit with nuclear weapons.
Oct 23 2077, 9:47am: Boston is hit with nuclear weapons, causing their systems to go offline.
Why would the USA fire the nukes? They were winning the war.
It didn't. It's literally just Bethesda Black folk and that piece of shit Howard destroying the lore.
halfway through first episode i recognized it was a burger humiliation ritual and turned it off
wdym? what happened? what was ritualistic about the show?
Well yeah in old lore it was the chinese communist, while the new lore of FO3/4/76 gives the idea and theory but not litterally explained or told but you can imagine that it was the Vault tec, a lot of theories pointed to that, or the fact that USA shot the first bomb.
My canon that I always belived it was a mix of a lot of stuff.
>Enclave, vault tec, robco and many more powerful people know that the war will happen it's inevitable too much crisis around the world, Europe is nuked, middle east too, only Eurasia and America are still alive and strong with energy resources.
>Vault and enclave decide at least to have the Apocalypse at their own term since it's inevitable at least let's put a plant that can last centuries for future america.
What I mean it was like Watchmen or like the saying "too little too late", I mean I have this Idea of Fallout world happened because no one could turn back, the new cold fusion and energy that was invented was too late to be implemented, too late to have peace dealing and too late to ration the energy resources, the war was just inevitable.
But now with the new canon of the Series I don't give too much shit but yeah it's a little strange on the nose that these "capitalist" decided the future of USA and the world is decided only because capitalism.
Again with this new lore I imagine that Vault tec and Enclave are now not affiliated/allies, I mean now I imagine
>Vault tec was the new plan of USA for Capitalist and private guys
>Enclave is the survivors of goverment, secret services and military.
>They knew each other projects and plans but each one had their own plan.
I mean it was like this even in the past but the lore explained "Enclave are the remnants of capitalist, like vault tec, robco, repcoon and the goverment of USA like secret service, military and congress. What I mean is an headscratcher for me.
>I mean
Vault tec has been definitively responsible for the first strike since Fallout 4 And Fallout 76, both of which came out nearly a decade ago
I was about to say, did they not confirm Vault-Tec launched the nukes in Fallout 4? There was some side quest that reveals it, had all the company big wigs as skeletons at a table or something.
False! you can only launch Nukes in fallout 76 after doing the Enclave missions for MODUS you need to become General rank & president to launch a Nuke at the Military Silos. Vault-tec Corpos just don't have that authority.
>emile’s retcon slop in 4 and 76,is the trusted canon….until he decides to change it later
You both need to go back
>the current writers of the game who work for the current owners of the IP aren't canon
We all think New Vegas is the best game but you seem to be suffering with bethesda derangement syndrome
>believe in the retcon enthusiast Emile and his current homosexual attempt to rewrite canon
No.
>I don’t care about any of this but I’m still offended
lol ok shill
homosexualy retcons were okay until muh DEI
lol no, cool story bro
I don't care Fallout 76 had no DEI when it came out and was fun. That is a truly contrarian position! I also made quite abit of money selling duplicated stuff, hacked weapons and power armor. Bethesda made me money, so little Toddy is my b***h
I don't give a frick about "le precious canon" I don't even like the Fallout series games that much. Just pointing out this was previously revealed
Neither of those are canon
Can you link your fan fiction so I can understand where you're coming from?
>fallout 1 and 2 are fan fiction
Please leave the thread, Emile.
Ah so the lore just ends after 2. It doesn't branch off into an alternate timeline or anything like that? Kinda boring
No it’s 1, 2, and NV. I’m glad you find it boring so you’ll go away.
Sir, this is a Fallout (2024) thread. I'm sure if you checked out /vr/ you would find a thread for people who like to pretend the last 20 years didn't happen.
Gatekeep zoomers out of hobbies and send them back to fortnite
>sitting home alone while everyone else is having fun at the party
Heh I showed them
>calling your commie struggle session a party
lol. Lmao
lol get filtered
>no... u?
Are you okay?
Pool’s closed.
since the interplay fallout movie script
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_film_treatment
>cancelled fanfiction tier script written by a israelite who wasn't otherwise involved with Fallout and is a writer for deep thought-provoking stuff like Subway Surfers: The Animated Series
Yeah the guy The studio hired for their movie about the game they made, that they wanted to produce.
>Cancelled
You mean because they folded their entire film studio?
Beth fallout is not canon
>NO, DONT BADMOUTH MY HECKIN' WHOLESOME CORPERINOS
Lots of bootlickers ITT. Keep at it guys, fight for your freedom to starve.
Why do you gays always talk like redditors? Oh wait.
You would know, redditor.
>“Know thy enemy”
Try harder redditard
Is that what you tell yourself when you spend hours on end on Reddit, gay?
Do you really think I need to spend time on Reddit to learn how you homosexuals talk? Do people need to move to France to learn French or to know what a French person is?
Oh right who am I kidding? I’m conversing with a redditor. This is all foreign to them.
>UHM ACSHUALLY IT WAS LE EVIL CAPITALIST CORPORATION THAT DESTROYED THE WORLD
you homosexuals spend every second post crying about israeli monied blackrock dei control of everything yet you find the concept of a fantasy evil corporation a bit much.
Yeah because israelites need goyim cattle alive to get actual work done that makes society function you moronic homosexual
and they do this by making everyone impotent via pollution or otherwise childless via propaganda and access to contraception/abortions?
the fallout show has tied the nu-right up into so many knots they're contradicting their own irl moronic ideology.
What is people dying before they can collect social security/pensions and illegal immigration?
>nu-right
Go back to r*ddit you homosexual. People are just tired of the 10 shill threads an hour made by SARS
the israelites/wef/nwo/un/bill gates foundation/etc are the biggest supporters of reproductive rights and womans right to education as you're constantly telling us which is directly correlated to below replacement birth rates everywhere they exist, so what is their profit motive?
>reproductive rights
Imagine unironically writing this.
just because you can't have sex or breed doesn't mean they don't exist.
I have two children and have fricked over a hundred women, my troony friend. But keep spouting newspeak like the brainwashed midwit you are.
Oh, and before you answer. No, not everybody on the Cinemaphiles is a loser like you.
Nta but the long term game is depopulation, which transcends and opposes a profit motive, which is why I'm puzzled when people say there's a profit motive behind it. The endgame is a technocratic world system run by private corporations, combining both capitalist and communist features. Depopulation makes this goal more attainable.
thats because nu-right is filled with morons. The real problem with vaul-tec being the culrpit is, that its stupid. Just like nanochip vaccine theories
>reddit buzzwords
No wonder you two dumb homosexuals love show
do you believe in nano chip vaccines?
No, now say Black person in your next post so we know you aren’t some paid shill
Black person. Well Vaul-tec being the mastermind is about as crazy as nanochip vaccines
I hate israeli corporations because they are life sucking vampires who want to control what I do when I just want to be left alone
You hate corporations because you want to install socialism and be the life sucking vampire who controls what I do
We are not the same
so the fantasy vault tec being evil and doing things that are against humanity and it being more nuanced than a high school textbook explanation of the profit motive is actually ok and you're just being contrarion because you think hating everything is cool and edgy?
No the difference is in the context. Of course socialists who always talk about how “nuance” is important don’t know the first thing about it and wonder why people reject their bullshit.
>Of course socialists who always talk about how “nuance” is important
got an lol from me
Its especially funny when they get mad when giant corporations produce media with safe, pseudo anti-capitalist critiques. They can't get their heads around the fact that people who have power within capitalist systems can get away with and actually benefit from co-opting left wing narratives.
I'm watching the first now. It's so fricking trash. What the frick is this music they're playing during the slaughter? Just more confirmation the writers are psychopaths that don't understand shit. Why did the pipboys not detect radiation before if it detects radiation around anybody from surface? How was a woman who was stabbed able to run? Why when raiders are shooting people are they still bringing in cake? Why did the black israelite comically tell them to get the jelly cake out of there like it was a comedy scene? It's so fricking stupid.
Shhhss you're not supposed to notice plotholes man, this is a shilling thread!
>Cooper hears that Vault-Tec want to launch the bombs
>stays in LA and takes his daughter to a birthday party in the hills
I'm guessing there's more of the story to come
>Coop has clearly fallen on hard times as it is questioned why he is "doing a birthday party, probably alimony"
>Has custody of the daughter
Yeah obviously something unsavory happened to the wife regarding her employment. He probably lost everything in the divorce after she lost her job and so he didn't have the resources to buy a plot of land and be a farmer. Still weird as it seemed like he believed vault tec would cause the end of the world and wanted to bug out.
moron nit pick here. after watching the first episode how hard would it be to outfit all those brotherhood recruits in clean white cotton tshirts?
>china is le evil because communism is le evil because.. they just are ok??
you lack media literacy
This is is why getting the person you are arguing with to say Black person is necessary to filter out the shill fricks
Depends on what games you mean, bethesda rewrote the lore in like fallout 4 i think, maybe even as early as fallout 3. As far as lore goes, the only real authority is what was told in Fallout 1 & 2, nothing else matters and if you think to differ youre a fricking homosexual zoomer casual.
Interply canon
>F1
>F2
Non-canon spin offs
>Fallout Tactics
>Fallout: BOS (PS2)
Slophesda canon
>F3
>F4
>F76
Forgot to add NV to Interplay
Lets just say Vault Tec dropped the bombs AND the Chinese attacked as well.
"Fallout" is an interesting term with military origins.
It kinda means "at ease while not breaking formation". Almost like "recess" where the kids can take a break but not leave the school grounds. Structured or restricted relaxation (or freedom of movement).
It implies ongoing control.
No, it refers to radioactive particulates from nuclear blasts. It’s just stuff that literally is thrown in the air and “falls out” from the sky.
tard
>no no you simpletons don’t get it, there’s actually deeper meaning to this
shut up schizo
tard
no u
pseud alert
>China kicked out of Anchorage
>USA forces land in China, Power armor advantage leads to rapid charge, breaking Chinese lines
>Chinese submarines and bombers spotted on radar heading towards US mainland
That is what was stated in the lore. Its logical to assume China decided to go Nuclear first.
Either way, its fricking moronic that Vault Tech launched the nukes first to "sell more vaults"
>to "sell more vaults"
Sure it was more about being able to rebuild in their own image with complete control of society, but go off queen
Oh no, hardworking capitalists would never jeopardize their honest profits for something as silly as all encompassing global domination. You're not going pinko are you friend?
>hardworking capitalists would never jeopardize their honest profits for something as silly as all encompassing global domination
This is true which is why vault tec is utterly tyrannical. They aren't even a for profit organization, they literally survive off of gibs.
I wonder how many nukes Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg own
>we're going to rebuild society in our image
>why?
>because we want to control it!
Can we have villains with interesting motivations please
Selling more vaults also doesn't make sense considering the US government already bought and paid for 122 vaults under Project Safehouse. It's not like Vault-Tec was selling fricking condos.
Why did shady sands look like megaton or a shanty town, when it reality it looks closer to this?
Because Bethesda is moronic and didn’t understand Fallout.
it looked like a hole in the ground to me, where was this shanty town?
Because your headcanon based on other people's hazy memories of the games doesn't hold up all that well
Memory is not hazy, see pic related.
>this made Todd so mad that he had it bombed into a crater
Why'd he do it, lads?
it doesn't fricking matter
bethesda is going to read all the shit being said online and asspull something else for season 2 if they don't ignore it completely
>ackshully they just planned to nuke themselves but someone else beat them to it, but not the chinese because we make too much money from gacha fallout shelter online. we just wanted to assassinate some characters
>oh yeah shady sands was nuked after new vegas that's why you don't hear about it, you read the blackboard wrong chud, but it was super effective and there's no more NCR anymore. now shut up and watch this baindead brotherhood of steel story set in the strip because remember new vegas???
would not be surprised at all
Happy to see that I’m not the only one sick of Bethesda’s hard dick for the BoS. So many possibilities for factions, but they only give a shit about power armor.
It was kino how in Fallout 2 they were already starting to be forgotten by history because the world was changing once again. Then Bethesta comes and gives them a whole half of a continent to rule.
No, I don't think I will watch your Black person-filled race mixing propaganda
...bro, if you're going to complain about something, then you can at least learn the lore before you complain about it. Per the games, the most likely groups responsible for the nuclear war are either vault-tech or aliens.
This is like complaining about Elder Scrolls lore because all you know is the surface level civil war storyline of Skyrim and think Stormcloaks did nothing wrong, when in reality the elf Nazis are pushing Ulfric as a wedge to weaken the Empire so that they can try to kill all humans again. You need some context and basic literacy, this isn't Super Mario.
>or aliens.
later idiot
Oh look, someone else who doesn't know the actual game lore. Pathetic.
If you want to disagree with it, fine. But don't act as if that's not what's implied many times.
I can't believe people are STILL, in TWENTY TWENTY FOUR taking the easter eggs this seriously
Aliens were never more than a joke, moron.
t. playing Fallout since the 90s
finish all the DLC before you comment on lore
Ignoring politics I can't comprehend how this show is getting high scores. The jokes aren't funny, the acting is horrible (with single exception) and the story is moronic. How much plastic is there in the water exactly for people to like this
... So, when you sit down and turn on your TV to enjoy something media related, what do you watch? What are your top three options? Enlighten us.
I just watched Dragon Ball Super and I enjoyed that objectively shitty show more than Fallout. That's how shitty Fallout is
Wow. You have access to dragon Ball and dragon Ball Z, even DBGT... and you watch dragon Ball super? Yikes.
Opinion discarded harder than most, anon. Good job showing us that you're an NPC with no apple and no taste. I bet you like Giren. 😉
... If you've been playing since the '90s, then how did you miss all of the lower added between 3 and 4 about them? Try again. The Zetas have been meddling for centuries, and even then you're probably completely unaware of the dunwich entity and the effect it's worshipers have had on civilization before any of that even happened.
Get good, kid.
>how did you miss all of the lower [sic] added between 3 and 4 about them?
maybe because 3, 4 and the rest of Bethesdout were a trash fire and mothership zeta was literally the worst DLC that everyone, even normies, hated
...Fallout 1 and 2 sold LESS than a million copies, combined.
Fallout 3 sold more than 12 million alone.
Seethe and dilate harder.
Omit them if you want, but you sound like the kind of person who tells everybody that daggerfall was the peak of Elder Scrolls entertainment, and that Skyrim is stupid because other people like it. Do you even CHIM, bro? We're not talking Super Mario World, Mega Man X, or Pokemon Red. These PC series didn't peak pre-2000.
>... If you've been playing since the '90s, then how did you miss all of the lower added between 3 and 4 about them?
Nice try chud. Those games arw omitted from my fanfic
The people who made this hate gamers i.e. white straight males, and were never going to make something for the fans, just trash for normies with identity politics shoved in so they can call you bigots if you don't like it and deflect criticism like everything else that motivates them to do these things to beloved videogame/movie/tv show/comic book I.P.'s and franchises!!!FACT!!!
>homosexuals in this thread are really trying to defend the idea of a corporation initiating a nuclear armageddon to sell vaults so they can have all this useless money to control nobody in an irradiated lawless Hellscape.
It’s bad writing and simply stupid to blame Le Capitalism for the nukes. The simple and most logical answer even when purposefully left ambiguous is that China shot first.
After the initial wave of trolls broke, how is THIS the shitpost that survives?
>If we instigate a nuclear exchange, we can rule everything after we rebuild!
>Let’s just ignore the whole world becoming a shattered & fragmented mess that will never be brought to heel under one polarity
>And think of the profits along the way!
Fricking moron
That's a valid criticism of Vault-Tec because their plan likely won't work, but not of the show
The only capitalist I know who wanted complete destruction is Zorg, but at least he was possessed/sold his soul to the devil.
>brotherhood of steel is a giant pussy that runs from a bear and is nothing but a non self preserving butthole
Why is he telling the guy who he needs to save his life how he's going to get him killed?
Don't think about it too much. The writers certainly didn't.
why is a tv character a c**t? I don't think its believable that people are c**ts, this isn't a nitpick by the way
Because he's been written to be an irredeemable shithead so that Max wouldn't look like a psychopath for watching him die.
>the faction that is built on hierarchies has bad apples
In lore a brotherhood squire is a lesser than a knight. That’s true to the series that they should die before a knight gets killed.
I don’t understand why people are still confused the BoS is not some good faction and never has been after their embarrassing decline after Fallout
Media illiterate chuddy, you didn’t even play fallout 3. The brotherhood has ALWAYS been the good guys chud, nothing changed, take your meds
>WAIT FALLOUT WAS A CRITICISM OF CAPITALISM ALL ALONG
>AHHH I'M LOSING MY MIIIND
I can't tell if some of these arguments against it being bad are bait or legit shills.
>i limped all this way in pain and slowed you down only to take poison anyway
What the frick is this stupidity? This is one of the most stupid shows I've ever seen. Genuinely just fricking stupid.
Are you actively hate watching?
That's just fans when adaptation is faithful and accurate to the thing it's adapting in a nutshell.
>Lore
>Lore
>Lore
Someone should establish a logical fallacy of pleading to previously established material by complete randos that has nothing to do with what's being currently established. It's all some tiresome to see stupid New Vegas fans seething about minor lore issues. If you can't enjoy the show just got play the fricking games, no one tells you you can't do that, show doesn't magically erase your fricking games.
Why do people soi out over people critiquing their slop
Kinda like how the government created the coof with help of pharmaceutical companies so they could sell their vax
The point of Fallout games or tv show is that it doesn't matter who in the end pressed the button, it was going to happen no matter what. Now even in the show it is 100% clear that vault-tec triggered it. Mr House is sitting in that vault tec meeting having calculated that its going to happen a decade or more ago. Which is why the question "How can you guarantee results" is slightly weird in that context but he could just simply probe vault-tecs thinking on this.
I liked the series. I expected it to be full on goyslop but, a few canon inconsistencies aside and unnecessary diversity, it is pretty entertaining.
But yeah i also pirated it, on principle.
> few canon inconsistencies aside and unnecessary diversity
This is PEAK goyslop, you’re just getting soft and used to it, Incel chud
I suppose i am, but they still won't get any of my money though. The only alternative these days is reading books.
Fallout two explains the purpose of the vaults and why vaukt tech did what they did. End of the game you speak with the president of the united states.
>Dick Richardson.
>Richardson : We were winning, too. And then those damn Reds launched everything they had. We barely got our birds up.
>Choosen one : Doesn't seem as though it helped us much.
>Richardson : Well, no it didn't. But at least it knocked the damn Red menace back into the stone age.
>Choosen one : And us with it.
>Richardson : Well, no. No... not quite. You see, we had planned ahead. We were ready.
>Choosen one : What do you mean?
>Richardson : We had a number of sanctuaries that would enable the glorious American civilization to endure. These facilities - the vaults - were part of the great plan.
>Choosen one : Those damn vaults didn't work the way they were supposed to. A lot of people in them died.
>Richardson : Actually, they worked almost exactly the way they were supposed to. You might call it a social experiment on a grand scale.
>Choosen one : An experiment?
>Richardson : The vaults were set up to test humanity. Some had not enough food synthesizers, others had only men in them, yet others were designed to open after only 6 months. They each had a unique set of circumstances designed to test the occupants.
>Choosen one : What about Vault 13? What was it's purpose?
>Richardson : Ahh. Vault 13 was a special case. It was supposed to remain closed until the subjects were needed. Vault 13 was, in scientific parlance, a control group.
>Choosen one : But they would all have died if my ancestor didn't get them a replacement water chip. That doesn't seem to fit in with your plan.
>Richardson : An unfortunate, and unforeseen, accident. However, as it turns out, a rather fortuitous one.
>Choosen one : What do you mean?
Cont:
>Richardson : As it turns out we needed test subjects from untainted, pre-war, human stock - your ancestors in Vault 13 - and some freshly mutated stock - the villagers from Arroyo.
>Choosen one : Why?
>Richardson : For the Project. It's almost ready. Humanity's salvation is almost at hand and the United States of America will be the progenitor of that rebirth.
>Choosen one : Rebirth? What do you mean?
>Richardson : The only way for true humans, and democracy, to be safe is to cleanse the mutants from the globe. We humans will take back that which is rightfully ours. The Project will cleanse all the mutants from our fair land - and the rest of the globe.
Show was still shit
what I read felt like a moronic manchild wrote it
>bottle caps!
>vault boy!
>Black person in power armor, mediocre woman, animal and old man (zombie) just like in starwars!
Gigagoyslop.
Imagine actually wasting time on this garbage.
caps!
I hate this the most. The biggest proof of Bethesda not understanding or giving a shit about Fallout or any kind of world building
well it's not like Shady Sands is printing any money
Thirdie zoomers don't know about this and will never understand.
Oblivion with Guns : Brotherhood of Steel 2 Edition was their first decent open world RPG, that also happened to have Fallout slapped on it.
I never played the Fallout series. Was this a joke in the early games that was taken too seriously? Were caps not supposed to be currency?
caps were currency in that they were used by water traders to represent an amount of water, I forget the exact number
Then came the NCR with paper money which superseded the cap standard that was used primarily by water caravans from the Hub(Pretty sure it's the Hub)
Caps spread out across the wasteland and are still used in new vegas because they're still backed by water, with NCR bucks having issues with inflation.
By the show given Shady Sands is a hole in the ground and there is no NCR around, they'd obviously ditch the useless paper for the cap standard which has been in constant use for 200 years
It's currency in the first game because California was pretty much ruled by water merchants. It stops being relevant in FO2 because NCR prints money
Bethesda used it for FO3 anyway despite it taking place 50 years after FO2 and in the east coast instead of California because LOL IT'S FALLOUT IT HAS BOTTLE CAPS AND MUTANTS AND BROTHERHOOD OF STEEL
Caps can be exchanged for water at the hub, that's their value. Hard to make new ones, and easy to tell when a cap has been made new so it's a relatively stable currency. There's no explanation of why they're used on the east coast though. NCR and Legion have their own currencies of the NCR$ and Legion Denari
it's explained in 76, due to a cross promotion campaign at the time, one of the few safe places for people after the war that wasn't a vault was doing a promotional campaign where goods could be bought with bottle caps, this led to merchants both water and otherwise taking them as well because then they could also buy goods in the area from the largest remaining settlement with production capacity.
as they spread out to the more heavily damaged areas in the aftermath so too did the practice spread out.
Also there were probably merchants who brought it out east in the wake of the brotherhood's expansion, but that's just conjecture
>76
Black person that's where they explain it, what the frick do you want? Chris Avellone to wipe his greasy wop dick all over the page?
Also the originals just have more terms for money that make the setting seem more alive. Hub bucks, skrip, dollars, caps as a term are not used that much. Originally caps were just issued by the water merchants because there was a small amount of bottles. Fo1 random encounter does have you find a turned over nuka cola truck with 1600 caps in it.
Fallout 2 and NV has multiple types of money. Its simply good world building. Fo3 and 4 just have.. le capppsss
NV having caps also makes zero sense but that was probably Bethesda's meddling because hurr durr it fallout it have caps
dear tardanon
it's explained in the game they have caps because the BoS war killed the NCR's gold reserves and they went full fiat, the Hub then muscled in to reintroduce caps, making them the defacto keepers of the coin purse.
you'd know if you listened to the dialogue
But a on don’t you know fallout is about looty shoots cum and booty?. Dialogues are stupid they should just have like 4 30 second cutscenes and trim the fat as it were. That’s what every other game series does.
TBF NCR dollars were worthless and Legion coins were only good for shotgun shells. Also there is never like anything on the east coast that has the production levels or the need TO use money. Though IIRC various games in the series lets you use pre war dollars for some stuff
>he didn't exchange his money for caps in the casinos
Ngmi
>he played on casual bethesdtroon mode
KWAB
They should've gone for something other than caps, maybe bullets like Metro games. Caps only have worth because of the merchants in the Hub, I doubt anyone in the east coast would give a shit about that, it's not like there are trade routes across the country
Why, who would suggest that? The Gun Runners? Those moron NEETS barely leave the boneyard, why wouldn't the Hub, which had all it's economic power hamstrung by the NCRbucks, not reassert its dominance over the entire region the moment people lost faith in the NCR currency
No, I meant for FO3. There's literally no reason why the east coast would use caps for currency
Answered that
The gunrunner clan is actually more intelligent than 99% of the wasteland. They took advantage of arms manufacturing and hold a monopoly of production. With a. Little nudge from the vault dweller they expand their operation. There literally the intellectual betters of most people in fallout
yeah but they're cloisterd to the Bone Yard, don't really leave, and only remake guns from the blueprints that were left behind in the factories they control. The functional monopoly is good sure, but if people are hoarding bullets as currency, they aren't buying them to equip armies, or using them on each other, unless in dire need, which is bad for business when you sell guns and bullets.
As for the East coast, as another anon explained in the thread, parallel but similar reasoning. Also there is literally no major bullet producers on the east coast except maybe The Pitt. Caps are plentiful but you can't counterfit them, and coin sized, so they're a good byline when bartering. which is how everything on the east coast would be done until a major state appears, is bartering.
Were there any merchants that would deal only in certain non-cap currencies? I don't remember any but it could have been an interssting way too deepen the barter system
This is the moron your arguing with in fallout threads
How is he moronic?
He acknowledges he doesn’t know, and simply asks a question without posturing or asserting any bullshit.
Gurantee he's been in these threads arguing about Black folk and parroting arbitrary "plotholes". You can tell almost everyone who hates the show enough to still be b***hing about it has about the same level of knowledge as that anon.
>China launched the first nukes after growing geo-political tension
This was never confirmed, only speculated.
I thought Fallout 3 DLC implied it was Da Aliens? (I never played the DLC but that's what Cinemaphile said back then)
>>UHM ACSHUALLY IT WAS LE EVIL CAPITALIST CORPORATION THAT DESTROYED THE WORLD
Isn't this implied in the lore of the games? I've only played FO4 but I listened to a lot of lore podcasts for a while.
It's been a theory since forever because if they had no nuclear war and the US government shelled out all this money to vaultec for something they didn't need vault tec would be fricked when Uncle Sam wanted their money back. It was always part sunk cost fallacy and wanting to see all their grand experiments come to fruition as the suspected reasoning for why they'd want the Nukes to drop.
I don’t know why they portrayed anyone in the NCR territory as kooky wastelanders. Most people have adapted to the status quo of the the after math of the post apocalypse. The world they inhabit has functioning economies, trade routes, governments etc. most people are employed with full or part time contractors with benefits the average person of today would expect. Severances, insurance etc. even in Fallout if you were to pick the outlandish options, characters would react to you as a weirdo or tell you to knock it off
Why are chuds so obsessed with lore and canon anyway?
It's almost like fundamental context is good for understanding stuff.
i have undiagnosed autism
Autistic need for escapist fantasies
Some people have higher standards as opposed to just slipping up whatever’s out in front of them. But it’s nothing you need to worry yourself with
OP doesn't actually care, he's just mad because he's a corporate dicksucker
probably loves Elon Musk
I really like Fallout's world and I hate to see it mismanaged.
Evil corporations? In my Fallout??
It's not confirmed who launched the first nuke in the games or the movies
Yes but in my schizo headcanon it is
No I haven't watched the show
they probably want to sell this show to china so they can’t blame the chinese. imagine if amazon was associated with a show where the chinese nuke america, it would be a disaster for their business there.
>China launched the first nukes after growing geo-political tension
>china vs. US geopolitical tension
there is an entire ocean between them you fricking moron
Alaska
Between world powers, the entire earth is their geopolitical arena.
There were certainly geopolitical aspects to the real life Cold War, for example.
usa had troops in mainland china
>lore in games
>china launched them first
nowhere is it ever stated that this is what happened
thank you brave poster for defending the corporations and villainizing anti corporate governments
MUH LORE!
How did you pirate it?
search Telegram channels
>>UHM ACSHUALLY IT WAS ~~*LE EVIL CAPITALIST CORPORATION*~~ THAT DESTROYED THE WORLD
Based
>Capitalism is le bad and will lead to nuclear war
>Brought to you by Amazon and Microsoft
that was not the lore in the games though.
>Lore in games
Uhhh yeah aliens started the war or some shit
The show took a "frick it, logistics is whatever is convenient" approach. Autistically trying to geographically place everything is just a waste of time.
Even though they went with the ass backwards moronic direction of Shady Sands being nuked off the planet, the NCR wouldn't just collapse over a few piffy years. Much less regress 200 years into what amounts to a thin threaded raider faction. The NCR is made up of five great states. At this point in the timeline fully functioning cities on par with Shady Sands would not be out of the question. It's ridiculous.
The show never said the NCR collapsed, just Shady Sands. Even the sign insinuates the capitol was moved.
This is what they took from you.
Where’s the debris? Where’s the squalor and filth? Do these people have power? That’s impossible in the post apocalypse
tip, play on low resolutions as was the original intent.
It drives me nuts that Bethesda CLEARLY wants to write stories that take place mere decades after the bombs. But instead they just keep going deeper and deeper into the timeline.
War never changes. The SECOND GAME of the franchise established that humanity can't get away from the fallout of its actions.
The second game establishes the humanity is on the fast track of rebuilding. Even more so than it was in Fallout. And with the enclave getting wiped out things only speed up. I don’t know where this minority cope that the world is permanent lot stagnated 200 years after the bombs fell came from. That idea is inherently silly and doesn’t play in the series. It’s always been about what happens after the apocalypse has come and gone
Show doesn't make the claim that the NCR is dead. Just damaged. San Fran was already larger than Shady Sands at its peak and decades before, so you're right that fully functioning cities on par with Shady Sands isn't out of the question.
I imagine season 2 would show the fully military might of the NCR backed with gun runner munitions and so on
No, the showrunners might be aware of screeching and malding NVgays but they're not going to bring back a faction they've went out of their way to be nuked.
What they'll show are NCR remnants in the Mojave, specifically those who are holed up at Hoover Dam.
As anon said, shady sands is one part of the NCR. Not the sum of it. You got hundreds of thousands of peeps living in comfort all over California. Maybe millions at this point in lore
it's funny to see how terrible writing can make a fandom have a bigger canonical schism than the split between the roman catholic and orthodox catholic church. bravo graham and geneva, bravo bethesda