>losing subscribers
>switching to ads
>cutting back
Are we seeing the end of Netflix?
>losing subscribers >switching to ads >cutting back Are we seeing the end of Netflix?
>losing subscribers
>switching to ads
>cutting back
Are we seeing the end of Netflix?
>give Obamas $100 million
>get fucking nothing in return
>I don't get it
I hope they fold today
same thing with maehghan markel. the most uncharismatic person to suck and fuck her way into the public eye and they gave her tens of millions to in exchange for literally nothing
It was just them returning a favor since the ceos wife was appointed as some ambassador and probably whatever other deals netflix got
They always counted on favor-for-favor and "too big to fail" status that they acquired during the Obama years but Netflix in particular got too cocky. Even with ESG funding propping up their value they can't hide the smoking crater that is their revenue in the wake of all their expensive, woke programming. People have too many options and what should have been a boon for them, the COVID lockdowns, turned into something revealing: people turn to live streaming for engagement, especially during "these trying times" which are intended to be accepted as the "new normal". Netflix actually sucks for that since nobody actually watches 99% of their programming but a lot of people say they're "glad it exists" for ideological reasons. You can't run an operation with zero plausibility like that. You're better off propping up a traditional network trying to make it into streaming as opposed to an "outsider" like Netflix. Literally what does Netflix actually do uniquely well that anyone else can't?
It's just venture capitalism doing what it does: betting on growth rather than sustainability. All the streaming services are built like that at this point, they have no idea how to make it profitable.
Oh also 2020 was their first ever profitable year so yes, confinements were indeed a boon for them.
...and how was 2021 after everyone blew through the 5 shows or movies they wanted to see and then canceled? Lack of live programming slays them. Having one or two good years does not sustainability make. The only streamers that survive are going to be the ones with solid live programming or secondary revenue bases like YouTube, Amazon, Apple, etc. Netflix is doomed to get acquired and gutted.
They made a profit in 2021 too. I'm not saying it's sustainable (in fact I explicitly said it isn't).
>The only streamers that survive are going to be the ones with solid live programming or secondary revenue bases like YouTube, Amazon, Apple, etc.
Basically streaming services that are owned by companies big enough that they can take the hit of a generally unprofitable business but still keep going I don't see that as a good thing.
>They're not sustainable and only saw profit for a few years thanks to a bubble during an imposed "crisis" that happened to temporarily favor their business model
Right, we agree
Yeah but again, venture capitalism is about growth in market shares not profit, they're in the shitter now because they've stopped growing.
>DVD revenue
>2021
que?
It's a legacy business for them, that's how they started.
>182 million in DVD revenue
funny to imagine thousands of people still doing this. or the guy who is head of that department
Blu-rays to rip at your own specific settings>random torrents
you talk like a consultant but you didn't really say anything
>you talk
If you are hearing voices you should seek medical attention.
Gotta get that esg score up somehow.
It's never been about money. Anyone who thinks it's about money is a retard.
Weeeell, it’s never about money… until you run out of money. :^)
>>I don't get it
you do actually, you're just learning how brazenly corrupt the world is
The Irishman would have been so much better if it had other actors. I get why using Pacino, De Niro and the little retard I can't remember the name because it gives a sense of progression and catharsis but you can't put an 80 years old man to act as a 30 years old mobster.
>you can't put an 80 years old man to act as a 30 years old mobster
they should've deepfaked the young scenes...
>they should've deepfaked the young scenes...
He should have just hired younger actors and aged them when they got older. No need for the octogenarian at all.
Yeah, Deniro himself played a younger Brando in Godfather 2.
>Here's that kid I was telling you about
I'm guessing it's because they showed many different time periods so they just went with the same actors for all of them, instead of casting 3 different people for a single character.
Or Scorsese just wanted to use these guys as much as possible for his last mafia movie.
It's still a great movie.
You might not realize what near mythical status De Niro + Pacino had for awhile. People really wanted to believe that getting them together in a crime film is this transcendent thing. Then it happened twice. Once with Heat and it was disappointing and once with Righteous Kill and it was embarrassing. The Irishman was probably the last attempt and it brought in the big guns but it was too late. They were both too old.
>he didnt like Heat
>he didnt think Pacino was the best part of The Irishman
Shit taste like this should be punishable.
No, I get it. Heat is a fun meme movie. I like to get it on just like you bros. I was just being serious and unironic because honest opinion. Objectively, it was a disappointing meeting of two extremely hyped actors in the 90's. And I never said Pacino wasn't good in the Irishman. though Joe Pesci owns that movie. I just think they were all too old, with the exception of Pesci who was playing his age or older, essentially. That's why he was so good.
>Heat is a fun meme movie
No, it's a legitimately good movie, who gives a fuck about hype in the 90s. Let me guess, Pacino had 2 overacted lines so that means the entire movie was shit, right?
>they were all too old
You might have autism if you are so fixed on their age. I just enjoyed the movie itself, who cares if they are older.
It's like watching a good movie with poorly aged CGI. Yeah, the effects look like crap but I can see and enjoy the movie for what it is trying to do.
>not because those 2 were in it together.
I dont think anyone is saying that Heat is good specifically because of those two.
>I dont think anyone is saying that Heat is good specifically because of those two.
Then why are you shitting on anon when his entire point was these two being in the movie was a disappointment?
I dont agree with that point.
>thinks the diner scene was good
big oof
>he doesnt
cringe
Heat was a good movie but not because those 2 were in it together.
The only good part of Heat is the bank shootout, everything else is forgettable
>little retard
>can't remember the name
Gonna let him get away with that? Gonna let this fucking punk get away with that, whassa matter wit' you?!
A) 'memberberries
B) Hollywood hasn't produced a single larger than life actor like them since the 90's no matter how they tried (See Zendaya) so we'll have to make do with dinosaurs being cast over and over in their wheelchairs until they die.
had they taken the Dark route and actually worked on good casting for each time period it would've been kino
ohhh nooooo no more long boring Scorcese shit that no one will watch. How will NF ever recover?
MCUck seethe
Mob movies are boring, detective movies are better.
They're here to stay, just another app in a sea of competition.
Mardy's gonna have to play jazz trumpet in the corner somewhere else.
Irishman is one of the maybe five good films they've actually produced. There strategy to attract more subscribers is to not make any more good films? A bold strategy.
Scorsese producing one of his final films for their shitty service was extremely gracious of him.
Imagine turning around and calling his film a "vanity project". Fucking hell these people.
Now Apple TV scooped him up for Killers
The Irishman sucked
filtered
>175 million dollars for this
is it that hard to get a body double and film from the back
All they had to do was get different actors to play them when they were young. Scorsese is fucking senile
damn 1 silly looking scene in a 4 hour movie what a trajedy
It's one of many ridiculous scenes in a five hour long snoozefest, it is the most vain of all vanity projects
Goddamn, this is embarrassing.
What a spirited young lad full of vim and vigor.
what am i supposed to be looking at here? i just see a spritely 30 year old kicking ass
is he okay?
I love how the glass explodes from the fucking weak old man kick lol
I swear he's holding a cane that they edited out, his hand movements are really unnatural, especially right after he steps on the other guys hand.
The movie had no fucking business costing 140mil to make. I doubt it was a sound investment.
Literally no studio wanted to fund it because all his movies since Wolf of Wall Street have bombed.
>because all his movies since Wolf of Wall Street have bombed
You mean the one movie he made between Wolf and Irishman in a 6 year period, which was contractually green lit as thanks for giving Paramount a string of commercial and critical hits? A religious passion project film never intended to make money after delivering six 100-mil grossers in a row. That’s what you’re taking about? You’ve got Marty all figured out, you must work for Netflix.
I got the time-line mixed up, the other bomb was before Wolf of Wall Street. Making 100mil on a 170mil budget isn't a success.
>he makes expensive unprofitable movies on purpose!
It's a wonder he's struggling to find money.
Who are you quoting?
But yeah, it’s a shame Hugo didn’t do well. It was kid kino and conveyed the magic of movies. It’s made back it’s money by now though, and I don’t think Paramount was too sad after it got 11 Oscar noms, won 5, and then Scorsese gave them Wall Street right after.
>Irishman is one of the maybe five good films they've actually produced.
>The Irishman
>good
It's three hours of unrewarding nothing. Yet Hollywood wankers couldn't help but tongue-bath it at every turn.
It's a complete waste of time.
just like your mom hoping for you to procreate?
She died on the Costa Concordia.
Fuck off, ebin dipshit. We're talking movies here.
>She died on the Costa Concordia.
Trapped in an elevator? Based. Why didn't Schettino listen and climb up the ladder? The fuck.
>just like your mom hoping for you to procreate?
>Irishman is one of the maybe five good films they've actually produced.
LOL
Theyll finna make 50 seasons of Stranger Things now
>Irishman is a vanity project
>Obongo's China dicksucking isn't
>Obama-funded, pro-Chinese outsourcing propaganda wins Oscar
>the crazy woman who made it literally quotes the Communist Manifesto onstage
How did this not upset people more?
People don't care about the Oscars, literally only the slap was relevant.
>pro-Chinese propaganda documentary
lmao, you obviously didn’t watch that movie
Probably because I literally have no idea what movie you are talking about
Kek, seriously?
irishman was trash
It was OK, trick was to treat it as a two-parter, have an intermission. Of a day, maybe.
>It was OK
For a Scorsese film it was subpar. It was a masturbatory dream of his. The script was really bad. Length is not an issue if the story is good, i.e Casino.
Irishman was really bad.
so they're going to focus on the bargain bin movies?
Seems that is the implication
Isn't that what they already do in 95% of the time? Now even the 5% that had a chance not to be trash is getting flushed down the toilet.
move to small indie projects with micro budgets and get your audience back
they'll renew their 100million deal with adam sandler
What the people want is more diversity, LGBTrans stories, and female director kino
Alternatively, we will accept animals in hats
I need more Black voices being lifted as well
The Irishman fucking sucked and Scorsese knows it.
A part of their success was licensed content like Friends and Marvel. Those went back to their original holders who created their own streaming services. This left Netflix to rely on the power of their own expensive original content, foreign shows, anime, and licenses they still have.
Their original content may not carry the franchise like it did before. And they’re losing revenue with more licenses going away.
>do anything to attract talent
There was talent there?
haha hilarious joke
but the point is that Netflix knew a long time ago that they would lose their technological lead over competition would evaporate eventually, and when that happened it would come down to content. Netflix would be competing with companies like Disney with 100 years of content in their catalog (and not just 100 years of bargain-bin crap). So Netflix allocated a massive amount of money toward building a library of exclusive titles with high production values and expensive actors and directors/showrunners/etc., with much less oversight and business pressure than is typical in the industry.
Yeah and they all pretty much suck and every Netflix show sounds like it was written by the same person, has meh dialogue, sex scenes every five minutes, and like every possible ethnicity/sexual orientation combo in the main cast
>we're going to need to build a library of classics that can compete with catalogues that include the last century of filmmaking
>>so nothing but pozzed SJW trash?
>fucking obviously
Kek
Rebel Moon bros... I don't feel too good.
that's part of the shitty category, it's safe
good, maybe they'll instead focus on making quality shit instead of muh irishman and pozzed trash number 105
They tried with cowboy bebop, I’ll grant them that. They do try.
It just takes one editorial decision to beshit everything tho, and for Bebop it was bout long episodes rather than 23 minute vignettes.
Cowboy Bebop was woke trash and completely shit casting.
What are you fucking stupid? Cowboy Bebop was incredibly pozzed and not even a faithful adaptation. They fucked the characters completely.
that was the writer's insert about the Irishman.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/netflix-movies-knives-out-gray-man-red-notice-1235156868/
you should focus on what the Netflix exec is actually quoted as saying. you may notice a common theme in those films.
wasnt their Death Note series pretty low budget and a surprising success? theyre probably looking to roll the dice on more stuff like that though i havent watched netflix in years so idk what kind of content theyre putting out since Buster Scruggs.
death note was so bad it's fun to watch, but you can't bet on that every time and especially outside of weebsphere
I wish Amazon put all their eggs in one basket like Netflix so Rings of Power could be the end of them.
Even if they did, one bad show isn't going to bankrupt Amazon like how Microsoft won't go under if Xbox bombs
Show some respect chuds
>respect for a soulless corporation
>a failing megacorporation whose media catalog is 98% barely watchable shit is becoming victim of its hubris and poor planning
uh, show some friggin’ respecterino, t-they’re testing as it goes, chud!
>NOOOO HOW DARE YOU BE SO DISRESPECTFUL TO A PROPAGANDA-PRODUCING SOULLESS MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANY THAT DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU??? NOOOOO
Netflix is fucking finished. what will they do once stranger things is over?
Strangerer Things
damn rip Lynch I guess
Frankly I don't give a fuck. It's the high seas for me, lad!
>Netflix is going to stop green-lighting the few actually good projects
lmao so what does it even have then? Good thing I have never given a single cent to these gays.
I don't see how The Irishman was a vanity project, it has nothing to do with Scorscese himself, its just another mob movie in his long line of mob movies. Plus it was actually good all memes aside and pretty popular for Netflix, so I don't get why The Irishman is being dragged into the same filthy bathwater as that Obama show nobody watched.
>make 3 straight bombs
>instead of eating humble pie and making a smaller budget movie, ask for 150 million dollarydoos from studios to make your latest mob flick
>they refuse because it's obviously not a sound investment
>turn to Netflix who will produce it even if it loses them money because "Netflix snags respected director" looks cool
>bitch that your movie deserves to be in theaters and if it isn't it's because of Marvel fucking shits
>Netflix puts it out in select theaters despite this not being part of their MO
Yeah it's a vanity project.
Based Marty
It's the definition of a vanity project as it is purely driven by Scorsese's vanity, the chief point being that 80 year olds are still with it and can pass as 20 year olds, which they in fact cannot
ads?
as soon as i see a single ad i will cancel that shit
Yeah, which is weird since they still have major influence. They can still speak things into being big just by saying they are like they did with that korean thing they bought for 10 bucks. Just do more of that instead of investing heavily into their own shows and then killing any chance of garnering real interest in them with wokeness
Netflix didn't buy Squid Game, they produced it. You're thinking of Casa de Papel.
Here's that streaming service I was telling you about
That was the one movie that made people respect Netflix a tiny bit. Very disingenuous to link this movie to the go woke go broke crisis.
Irishman is the only thing I have watched off of Netflix in the last couple years
WE ARE BACK, BABY.
Blockbuster getting its revenge on Netflix
The days of netflix being the young hip tech company that is disrupting hollywood are over. Lots of people will be driven away to disney and hbo plus..and amazon, and apple, and paramount, and, and
So no more I'm thinking of ending things... Why not cancel the thousand of terrible shows being made, god Netflix fucking sucks.
Nah, Microsoft will buy them
I agree The Irishman was too expensive, but I don't think it was a vanity project because it was a good movie (yes, there are some problems here and there).
It's sort of sad to see this happening because it looks like Netflix is fixing things that aren't real problems. Just be careful with money and filter the shit projects/scripts.
Looks like they're dropping the whole disruptive innovation meme to just be more like the others.
They're really saying "Fuck it" and decimating every last bit of goodwill they had built up over the years
It's actually incredible
Streaming is about to become worse than TV, just the most bottom of the mill mainstream content going to get pushed. All its little prestige was carried by Netflix, all other services are making popular garbage and they're going to sink to that level now
>just the most bottom of the mill mainstream content going to get pushed
That is what I fear.
The fact a project like The Irishman or The Crown can be made on Netflix is Netflix's flagship. I can't imagine someone going to Disney Plus and saying "what about a show focused on the British royal family?" or Martin Scorsese entering Apple's HQ to make his movie.
Maybe (and it's a big maybe) Amazon Prime can take part of these types of projects.
You forgot about HBO max, which not only has a host of content but also in the past has been known for innovating cable tv
Apple's going to eat away at Netflix for those types of projects for sure
If anything those other companies have deep enough pockets to produce those without torpedoing their profits.
>Martin Scorsese entering Apple's HQ to make his movie.
He literally did that with his newest movie.
>It's sort of sad to see this happening because it looks like Netflix is fixing things that aren't real problems.
I think the problem is Netflix could never really afford to do what they were doing in the first place. They had a massive pile of profits from being the first successful subscription streaming service and knew it wouldn't last long-term without quality exclusive content. So they gambled on a number of expensive projects.
It's coming to a head now because IP owners are pulling their content from netflix and shopping around for other distributors.
I don't even know what you're talking about, so that's probably why.
>I think the problem is Netflix could never really afford to do what they were doing in the first place.
But this could be fixed by filtering shit projects and/or taking care with money.
they gave away too much money. does Scorsese need 150-250 million to make a fucking mafia movie?
It's the "be careful with money" part.
how did the irishman still look like a netflixmovie with that budget?
>But this could be fixed by filtering shit projects and/or taking care with money.
That looks like exactly what they are doing, for the most part.
There's nothing much left to innovate on the streaming front. The major innovation over the last few years is ad-based streaming and proliferation of SmartTVs and mobile devices with apps that let normalfags easily stream anything they want for free(with ads), or subsidized by a service provider like Verizon.
>They had a massive pile of profits from being the first successful subscription streaming service
They were never profitable before 2020, they always reinvested everything because that's how venture capital works. Basically the goal isn't to create a sustainable profitable business model, it's to boost the stocks through growth and then bail out (sell the stock) when growth stops. That's why their stock is so volatile, it's highly speculative.
>semantics
Sure you're right, they don't count as "profits" anymore once they're re-invested. But that's my point, Netflix has been taking all their streaming revenue and investing it on content creation in anticipation of the current reality where their tech advantage has been largely nullified and IP owners start canceling license deals in favor of competition (Prime Video, Disney+, etc)
>Basically the goal isn't to create a sustainable profitable business model, it's to boost the stocks through growth and then bail out (sell the stock) when growth stops.
No, that's not what's happening here. That does happen, but that's not what Netflix was doing. Netflix was hoping to build up a catalog of content that would prevent the massive hemorrhaging of subscribers once competing IPs pulled their content.
"Netflix" is the shareholders. I'm sure the CEO tried to make it sustainable but that's not what any savvy shareholder was looking for
>Netflix was hoping to build up a catalog of content that would prevent the massive hemorrhaging of subscribers once competing IPs pulled their content
No their number one objective was pushing diversity and feminism, not only on the screen but behind the screen as well(writers, directors etc). Being super woke took precedent over making good quality content that would keep people coming back.
There are good vanity projects, it's irrelevant. Consider this: it's a vanity project for Netflix, they produced it for the prestige of having made a Scorsese movie.
>Just be careful with money and filter the shit projects/scripts.
In other words don't hand out a massive blockbuster budget to a guy whose last 3 movies failed to find an audience just because he's a big name.
>tfw we will never get another season of mindhunter
kill me
Yeah that shit is officially fucked. Especially considering that the reason they froze it was because of how expensive it was.
>BTK kino never
What the fuck?
They've really chosen to abandon one of their last remaining hit shows?
>No more Scorsese kino like The Irishman
>Probably wasted more money on 20 different woke shows
they produced a known expensive turd while losing money from competing subscription services. It was turd on arrival, too much money with old hacks producing bombs for the last decade
>Are we seeing the end of Netflix?
Yes.
Netflix doesn't have legacy content unlike Disney or HBO. At the end of the day people want to watch the same old crap. Franchises and IPs is what matter. Netflix has none of that.
Netflix has that and more. There are several seasons of The Circle without even including the international versions. Not to mention the countless seasons of Nailed It! and other confection conjuring content.
What the hell are those? Those aren't marketable IPs.
kek
>Not to mention the countless seasons of Nailed It! and other confection conjuring content.
I can stream every season of most Food Network shows via my cable provider, with (bloackable) ads. Why should I bother to pay extra for Netflix's imitation shows?
I've never heard of either of those and you think they're just as likely to entice people to sign up as the Simpsons and GoT?
what they should really do is give old hacks like this shoestring budgets and force them to draw on the resources they used in the beginning of their career to create great films
netflix should be throwing their money into super cheap productions instead overall, throwing a bunch of shit at a wall instead of a bunch of expensive shit at a wall
If he was okay with a smaller budget he wouldn't have gone to Netflix as he clearly despises "content" and insisted on a theatrical release. Scorsese's movies have been overly expensive for a long time, King of Comedy had no business being more expensive to make than Empire Strikes Back.
I just can't wait to see garden gnomeflix die. The most pozzed company in existence. All they produce is degeneracy and revolting propaganda. Even ~~*Disney*~~ is preferable at this point.
>Even ~~*Disney*~~ is preferable at this point.
I can't believe we've unironically come to this.
>blaming the Irishman
>instead of their shitty diversity projects
>switching to ads
how to drive away your remaining customers in one easy step
The only thing keeping Netflix afloat is the brand name. It's a company with a lot of history, it was the first big corp to go into online streaming and its name is recognizable by plebs and boomers.
Once Disney and co get into the game for real, Netflix will either downsize or even go bankrupt.
I've made a 460% return on my NFLX puts. I've been adamant about since that fake and gay mid '21 pump.
Still holding 8 contracts expiring Jan 2023 lel
Netflix to 0 let's fucking goooo
They are blamming good content for the failure of gay movies.
>LET'S KEEP JUST SPAMMING CHEAP SHOWS AND MOVIES, SOMETHING HAS TO STICK.
Are netflix execs the most stupid execs in this decade? Do they even understand their own business?
it also seems like pretend astroturfing their shitty meme of the month gayschlock on Cinemaphile is a key part of their strategy lolz
>better call saul
>the irishman
>early house of cards
>our planet
What other kinos did netflix produce?
who cares, the irishman was a shitty bloated jerk-off
They have no revenue outside of subscriptions. Disney and Amazon have profit elsewhere, but Netflix does not.
didnt this movie actually make them money?
Like every big globohomo corporation these days, they operated on a loss for far too long, taking advantage of dumb investors and creepy G-men dumping money on them for '''''''''''reasons'''''''''''' on the promise of a monopoly.
That didn't happen. Everyone and their mums made their own streaming service and sheeple have to pay a small country's GDP to consoom their daily propaganda now.
The same will happen to all those online takeaway services, the same will happen to every single one until the garden gnomes on the exec table figure out a new way to scam the goyim of their money.
Real talk: is Netflix the next Blockbuster?
Netflix wishes it was ever the next blockbuster.
this is an amazing meme format, hope to see it used elsewhere
funny how they fired the guy that wanted to take blockbuster to streaming
no, they just have to deal with competition now, its the "streaming wars" this is the second act, how they play the game now is what decides if they survive
Wait ‘til they start showing censored versions of movies.
I honestly find the quality content to be worth a premium price. Netflix has such a diverse, massive selection of content that it keeps my entire family entertained. Need a kids show? Boom. They have it. Need a little bit of romance to Hispanice things up? Netflix turns up the heat. Pulse pounding action? They got that, too. Honestly it's easier to list what they don't have! My wife and I agree that Netflix is the most entertaining investment we can make for ourselves and her children.
This sounds like a shill pasta.