Write what you know I guess lol
It’s probably just going to be a bland tbh nothing horrible and nothing amazing.
I don’t think it’s going to be very funny and that’s a deal breaker
Look at all the cartoon projects like this and Turning Red that are suddenly set in the early 2000s. Even here in Cinemaphile you have people talking about how "the 2000s weren't so bad". The nostalgia is starting now.
Cinemaphile has had a fondness for 2000s cartoons for years now.
In fact 2000s cartoons is the era that gets talked about the most outside of any current airing cartoons.
Examples include Jimmy Neutron, Invader Zim, Fairly OddParents, Danny Phantom, Avatar, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Kim Possible, Phineas and Ferb, Total Drama, Jackie Chan Adventures, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Totally Spies, Justice League, Teen Titans, Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Clone High, Samurai Jack, Code Lyoko, Duck Dodgers, Star Wars: Clone Wars, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Megas XLR, Venture Bros, Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, 6teen, W.I.T.C.H., Winx Club, American Dad, Wayside, Ben 10, American Dragon, Moral Orel, Boondocks, Robot Chicken, Ruby Gloom, The Emperor's New Groove, Rango, Kappa Mickey, Treasure Planet, Coraline, Shrek, Incredibles, WALL-E, kung fu Panda, Megamind, Storm Hawks, El Tigre, Atlantis, Xavier: Renegade Angle, Making Fiends, Super Jail, Archer, Jimmy Two-Shoes, Wakfu and more.
And this is just Cinemaphile related IPs. There's much more with you include Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile IPs.
>golden age of the internet, right before it was ruined >financial crisis didn't happen until the very end >less social tensions because 9/11 made people focus on hating muslims instead
Not as good as the 90s but it wasn't that bad.
It was a fricking chaotic period, less chaotic than ours, but still. Yet, I see that period (late 90s/early 00s) as one of the last great periods of fashion and aesthetic. We got some cool stuff in the late 00s and early 10s with the hipster fashion, but nothing cool or new has happened since 2012, even that period is no where near as aesthetically pleasing as the Y2K period
Literally my mom's tom and jerry. This shit is generic and ugly. How many times will these cartoon creators reuse the "PLUCKY GUY TIRED butthole DUO" cliche
That's how it is with these cartoon reviewers. They think they can do something better, but then get exposed for being the same shit they criticize. Never give a boring ass homie who talks about cartoons a platform.
The culture from 20 years ago was fundamentally different from today's and being genuine about it without going down the preachy route wouldn't fly on current year TV.
Look at WW2 games: references to the third reich are scrubbed as much as possible, you have transgender black lesbian on the front line of the battlefield in fluorescent uniform in 1943. All they have to do is open a fricking history book to realize how detached from reality it is, but they don't care because our current era is scared shitless of "problematic" content.
Take Happy Days: a show meant to reflect the life style of the 1950s, but produced in the late 70s. Take Fonzie who's over 25 and still not married. In the 50s, people would give him weird looks only for that, and would really question the kids that hang with him.
TL;DR: they won't get the "social aspect" right. It's going to be a 2020 show with a "early 2000s" coat made entirely of pop culture references, so why set it in the 2000s when you're not going to use that time period anyway?
>It's going to be a 2020 show with a "early 2000s" coat made entirely of pop culture references, so why set it in the 2000s when you're not going to use that time period anyway?
I think you answered your own question.
>Take Happy Days: a show meant to reflect the life style of the 1950s, but produced in the late 70s. Take Fonzie who's over 25 and still not married. In the 50s, people would give him weird looks only for that, and would really question the kids that hang with him.
Fonzie isn't married because he's a fricking hood, they had plenty of those in the '50s and before. Besides, in the world of the show I don't think he's supposed to be that much older than Richie and the others.
You wrote it yourself, the show isn't actually set in the time period, the writers simply insert many callbacks to their own nostalgia while telling a story with the current day perspective.
I'm aware of this but I just see blacks not transgender lesbian blacks on the front line of the battlefield in fluorescent uniform in 1943
nice goalpost moving
>zoomerbros wasn't it great bein a kid in 2004 and shit?
In all seriousness it would be shit because as innocent as it sounds they'd somehow put 2022 trannies in 2002.
Half the pilot is already posted online, the writing sucks and I think once the full thing is posted it'll be one of those things that'll be forgotten in a week
Holy crap, it's written as if LS Mark just went with the first idea he had in regards to nearly everything that happened within the pilot; the characters' emotions, how the plot moves forward, the type of humor it employs, everything. It's bafflingly trite and hilariously mirrors the type of scriptwriting I would post on DeviantArt back when I was 13–14.
It's a cartoon for the sake of making a cartoon and nothing more.
>it's written as if LS Mark just went with the first idea he had
The funny thing is he's mentioned multiple times that he rewrote the script in 2021 so this is a completely revised version of the original pilot
Wait, seriously? I don't keep up with the guy, that's kind of hilarious. I mean, I get revising a pilot until it's good—I've been doing the same thing for some time now for a private project—but this guy's supposed to, I dunno, understand something of what it means to write a cartoon. Don't get me wrong, writing something good and memorable for a cartoon is dick harder than it looks and it's not terribly surprising he turns out to have a loose grasp on that, but to think that this wasn't his first shot at the task doesn't bode too well for the poor dude.
It's an opinion from just a meager anon, but if I were him I'd rewrite it again, scrapping the storyboards and all. It's not worth putting in further effort into a script like this.
>but if I were him I'd rewrite it again, scrapping the storyboards and all
I totally agree with that but it's kinda too late for that when animators are already working on animating the thing.
I mean, i liked if but the characters have no reason to he animals it seems, i feel like if you have animal cast they need to be doing some animal shit
This stupid mentality is exactly why cartoons are so shit nowaday, stop doing shit for the “sake of doing it” because you like the aesthetic and are too lazy to come up with anything new, thats called fricking laziness
Human characters are only as boring as YOU make them and swapping the skins doesn’t make your shitty bland characters any less shitty and bland
It's not that a simple visual swap changes from bland to good but it's simply more pleasant to look at, while many shows instead compensate with super wacky ugly crap to make dem characters "unique"
Drawing animals with 100% human characteristics IS wacky and ugly crap for the sake of “uniqueness”, you cannot make unique or interesting human characters on your own so you’re using an easy cop out
I’m not saying you can’t make human-like animal characters but just give them some semblance of animals characteristics dammit!
Is it that fricking hard to study a Looney Tune or Tom and Jerry cartoon? Spongebob is RIGHT THERE! Hell even Regular Show got this right with Rigby’s running and eating animations and sleeping on a pile of junk
How in God’s name do you want to make cartoons but have zero commitment and respect to the craft to fricking study your Predecessors? “It’s not that easy-“ its not supposed to be easy b***h! You modern animators are just fricking lazy and wasting your God-given talents cause you think you know it all
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok I was just annoyed that one MUST give animal traits to animal-looking characters. I just don't like that as a requirement
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Drawing animals with 100% human characteristics IS wacky and ugly crap for the sake of “uniqueness”
I can't see another furry movie after Zootopia. It raised the standard too high for adding furry characters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Zootopia
you mean the "DUDE WE'RE ANIMALS LMAO" movie? that's poison to the idea.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can you name a good example, then? >captcha HPVJ0Y
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Drawing animals with 100% human characteristics IS wacky and ugly crap for the sake of “uniqueness”, you cannot make unique or interesting human characters on your own so you’re using an easy cop out
I'm guessing you ain't a fan of Arthur, then.
Mordecai and Rigby had animal characteristics and there were other types of species including humans to balance the show out , these two are just regular humans with filters on surrounded by other humans with animal filters on
>his
That's a female. And I think the line is supposed to be funny, playing on the overworked/stressed employee trope, but it clearly just doesn't work because of Mark's poor writing.
Can't be worse than DaftPina's....whatever the frick this is...
>internet critic talks shit about other people's art/cartoons/movies on the regular >tries to make something themselves >ends up producing something just as lame as the stuff they shit on
Must be a curse.
Started with nostalgia critic shitting on films and thinking he and his crew can produce something better and then continue on with mrenter and his book turned cartoon that mrenter has yet to release more info on it
everything about this is so uninspired and boring. i don't even think mark's content is that bad, especially compared to other internet ""critics"", hell, i do genuinely enjoy some of his videos, but you can tell this project is a secondary interest to him and was made with "i can do it better" intent like the majority of critics instead of having an actual passion for an idea.
i'll give him this, visually whilst it's fricking boring it at least looks better than every other critic pilot/pitch that has been released so far.
it's probably going to be completely forgotten in a week, it's just so fricking uninteresting. even the character designs are boring as all hell with shitty colour palettes that lack any real contrast.
Holy crap, it's written as if LS Mark just went with the first idea he had in regards to nearly everything that happened within the pilot; the characters' emotions, how the plot moves forward, the type of humor it employs, everything. It's bafflingly trite and hilariously mirrors the type of scriptwriting I would post on DeviantArt back when I was 13–14.
It's a cartoon for the sake of making a cartoon and nothing more.
>It's bafflingly trite and hilariously mirrors the type of scriptwriting I would post on DeviantArt back when I was 13–14.
that's exactly what it felt like to me as well. the whole coat rack "gag" in particular felt like the kind of moronic unfunny shit i'd write into a script as a 12 year old because i thought it was somehow a good joke.
I mean it's pretty bang-on for what I'd expect a teenager/20 year old to come up with. It lacks perspective, vision, it has nothing substantive to say, and seems based on hyper specific personal experiences from the author's mundane life. If you want to creatively grow fast, read books, watch lots of films and standup, and go out and observe the world. This script is so fricking sheltered.
LSMark's reviews will never ever ever have any impact on anyone ever again, just like Daftpina's when this shithole pilot releases
hell his art was already a knock off of Butch Hartman's style with added beanmouth, why not rip off Butch's cartoons from the early 2000s entirely by actually being funny
to this day, i cannot comprehend how someone can do butch's style and make it look worse than how it already is. This guy has an awful artstyle and every time i see his art twitter pull up another artist's character design they came up for him, it shocks me how he fricking destroys what little charm it has when he draws it
The funny thing is you don't need all that much to do much of anything now, but in peoples heads doing a tv show is somehow more legit then doing a web cartoon, like wait a minute no one watches tv anymore yet people make that their aim, its very confusing to me.
You've fallen into the trap, anon. You think you know what's best and what's right, but you only have the fundamental values instilled in you during your formative years to dictate what that all means, and that's ultimately subjective. Every generation grows up like this, earning the ire of their predecessors and in turn, revolting and establishing what they think is right, only to see the generation ahead of them do the same to them, drawing that very same irk. Yet, even as most people eventually make this revelation, they choose to commit to their stance. Perhaps they're afraid to lose their identity embracing changes that they once thought utterly incomprehensible, or maybe just violently oppose changes that break or make worse what they once thought worked fine as is. It's an especially hard hole for late gen x and millennials to hop out of, because actual production quality for many shows, games, movies and the like, was pretty high during this time. But let's be real, you didn't truly appreciate it for that as a child. You didn't. You were a dumbass fricking child and you liked the funny cartoon. The reality is you were happier when you didn't have anything to compare your experiences to. You enjoyed them 100% for what they were, but as you get older you have more experiences, and you eventually just keep comparing and comparing, leveraging and judging them based on what you know, feel and expect.
And you chose to reject it. That's fine. Standards I guess, or some would call it taste and aggressively defend their stance as fact and call me a fricking homosexual, because otherwise I guess they'd have to question themselves. Those people might as well pull the trigger though, because locking yourself in that box will only make life progressively worse for you. You can't expect people who effectively grew up in a different world to give you what your inner child desires. Only those willing to adapt and compromise will live free.
38. I started listening to Primus not too long ago (I knew the name, never bothered listening to any of it - but from what I've heard, I like it). Let the kid of a friend listen to it (she's like 16 or 17). She called it "old people music". Mfw I also listen to Al Bowlly, Helen Humes and Les Brown and never called it "old people music"...
I listen to a lot of old early 90's (89-92) electronic/rave music and there are plenty of times I come across comments from people in their 50's being nostalgic for songs you'd never imagine a older person would think about.
It's because she is a teenager. I'm 23 and I listen to Al Bowlly, too. A lot of kids still listen to 80's music, and that decade ended about 33 years ago.
How comes every cartoon reviewers whenever they tried to make a cartoon it's sucks monkey balls like with rebeltaxi loki mrneter growing around and now lsmark rob and clay
How comes every cartoon reviewers whenever they tried to make a cartoon it's sucks monkey balls like with rebeltaxi loki mrneter growing around and now lsmark rob and clay
Also Daftpina
he's also busy trying to take other people down
Daft's attempt at an "animated" pilot is the saddest of the whole lot.
Pan's pilot might be fricking cringe but at least his and Mr Enter's concepts were laughably bad
This is just 15 fricking boring minutes of absolutely nothing
Holy kek, you cannot make this shit up
Always hated this homosexual but I would have guessed he would put something mediocre out at best. This is just sad
Can this even be considered animation? Every scene has a single static perspective with characters gesturing. It's so dull it's almost like they want me to feel bored. How do you frick up this badly?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's so dull it's almost like they want me to feel bored.
just like his videos
I just scrubbed through the video and every single scene looks exactly the same. The characters all look the same too, only colors tell them apart. I'm not familiar with this guy, what does he do
Taxi could maybe get something going if he got some people to help him with his awful, awful writing. His ideas aren't really the worst and his style is at least trying to be different.
creating something and criticizing something are two different skills. you can criticize things without being able to make them yourself. because creating things (in this example a cartoon) requires more than just writing knowledge, it needs planning skills, art skills, animation skills, character design skills, etc. there's a lot that goes into it that people don't account for. it's kind of like being a food critic but not knowing how to make gourmet. you know what makes food gourmet, but making it yourself? two different things.
instead of doing something and then criticizing stuff from the same media they do the contrary, therefore, they don't have the actual knowledge of said thing
He has a hatred for arin hanson and has ranted about him on a stream with oney's ex (who rebounded with ls mark) over how he spent thousands of dollars to make the grump office look like a weeb palace but then left years later or some shit. The dude's an autist and nothing more. Tried going on Veronica's streams and he's just there quiet with a straight face. He's boring in person as he is online
This art style kinda reminds me of those animated Mr. Bean videos that always return to my Youtube recommendations like a zombie bursting out of the grave.
Are these honestly really that popular or are the viewcounts being inflated by bots? Every time I see these videos pop up in my recommended feed, they have like 43 million views yet I think I've heard maybe 3 people bring up the Mr. Bean franchise at all in the past decade or so. Is this show experiencing a second life by being in the same circle of youtube as those deranged kids videos that are made to farm as many clicks/autoplays from toddlers with tablets as possible?
why is every cartoon made by e-celebs or millennials in general center their stories about growing up mixed with anime references? get new material, dammit!
then why not use their childish mentality to write fantasy stories instead? seems lile everything must be relatable or down to earth to get to people meanwhile people rather go for anime or japanese videogames to disconnect from reality for a while, this is why isekais are a popular genre
using LE to form you fantasy is not bad, whats bad is how it doesn't blend making the analogy falls flat making the fa tasy setting questionable. a great example is the sex change potion from high guardian spice
it's annoying, i wish they would at least do what the japs are doing and write new characters instead of just making themselves a self-insert and their friends as ocs.
Reminder Oney dumped Veronica because she was an obvious leeching thot, and she couldn't handle getting dumped so of course she's dating someone who's not only superficially similar to Chris he's also much younger meaning he would be much easier to take advantage of if she starts hoeing around again
Reminder Oney dumped Veronica because she was an obvious leeching thot, and she couldn't handle getting dumped so of course she's dating someone who's not only superficially similar to Chris he's also much younger meaning he would be much easier to take advantage of if she starts hoeing around again
This. She rebounded to mick and then rebounded to urick and then to mark. This b***h gets around and sleeps within the friend circle. Mark is like forrest gump; wants the girl after she's pushed him away to hoe around. Just gonna remind you guys that if she stops reviewing shit on twitter or stops csring about fairly odd parents and/or cartoons in general, it's because she broke up with him and moved to the next thing to leech off of
>She rebounded to mick and then rebounded to urick and then to mark
I feel bad for Urick honestly, he just wants to do his own thing and it seems like every other week he's hanging out with clout-chasing prostitutes
it's his looks mainly, he looks like a moody Asian twink with messy hair so that's gonna make your average moronic 20-something-year-old female wet
Plus since he's got clout from being associated with Oney he probably looks like an easy target
>She rebounded to mick and then rebounded to urick and then to mark
I feel bad for Urick honestly, he just wants to do his own thing and it seems like every other week he's hanging out with clout-chasing prostitutes
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This. She rebounded to mick and then rebounded to urick and then to mark. This b***h gets around and sleeps within the friend circle. Mark is like forrest gump; wants the girl after she's pushed him away to hoe around. Just gonna remind you guys that if she stops reviewing shit on twitter or stops csring about fairly odd parents and/or cartoons in general, it's because she broke up with him and moved to the next thing to leech off of
Reminder Oney dumped Veronica because she was an obvious leeching thot, and she couldn't handle getting dumped so of course she's dating someone who's not only superficially similar to Chris he's also much younger meaning he would be much easier to take advantage of if she starts hoeing around again
Where the frick do you guys get this "information?" Is it all just heresay? The only concrete facts I can see are that Veronica and Oney are no longer togther and that Mark and Veronica are now dating.
I feel like such a nitwit for caring about this stuff, but considering every LS Mark thread brings up this topic, I'd like to know if there's any source for these claims beyond intrusive speculation of ecelebs' lives.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Refer to
i wouldn't say she left oney, moreso he dumped her and she rebounded through his friends to cause drama and then settled for a guy who looks like her ex, but younger. She's talked about being an alcoholic and it affecting her, so i assume that had a lot to probably do with chris dumping her. I remember her posting a very cryptic instagram story a while back (around the time she and chris got back together a second time and then were distant again 2 or 3 months later) where she just smokes a cig and says in a mocking voice "You're being difficult veronica, you're being difficult" and then taking a hit after. She's clearly the one who got kicked and has coped ever since. Give it time, both her and maybe LS Mark will get some kind of thread on kiwifarms or lolcow
>gray cat >brown mouse >literally tom and jerry drawn in a rip off butch hartman style
I fricking hate this moron so much. Imagine lacking the creativity to do create decent looking characters? On top of that, he doesnt even design most of them. He hired someone to create characters for him and then he butchers them in his art style
Youtube cartoon reviewers are never good cartoon creators themselves. It never works, I don't get why they keep trying. LSM specially, he has the kind of opinions and quirks of someone that would make a terrible cartoon. If he's really invested then I hope it works out, but it won't, just that thumbnail already looks like the most generic, boring shit imaginable.
Permanently in development hell cause mrenter is incompetent as shit and writers and animators are leaving left and write and considering after the turning red 911 controversy no one wants to work with him anymore
Isn't this guy Hartman's biggest critic? Why is he copying his style?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Something something glass houses
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think it is more of a love and hate relationship
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes and no. He hages butch but gladly paid him $200 to draw his oc after being rejected at a convention as a big "haha gotcha" moment and then got to interview him. I'm surprised you noticed this, but don't notice that his avatar is literally a timmy turner recolor
2 years ago
Anonymous
Quite ironically most of butch heartman critics are turning into butch heartman themselves
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, it happens often. this dude is a complete fricking hack though and i can't stand his videos. I don't understand how he even got big, but then i remember finding out who he was when it came out he was involved with that turkey tom shit. Dude got lucky he did a video on it. Guarantee you that if he had zilch to do with it, he wouldn't be relevant to this day
2 years ago
Anonymous
Same, Tom and pretty much all the other jpeg gays got lucky that they enough autistic gossip trivia and put out video at the right to have the drama fueled algorithym push their shit to everyone
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lsmark used to be a commentary youtuber
That was however until he made a moronic hitpiece on Quinton reviews on his political takes that got people including his fans angry at lsmark for said video
So lsmark later issue an apology to Quinton and removed the video and months later collaborated on a video together
That controversy was also the last straw for lsmark commentary career as he stepped making videos of that genre and instead focus more on cartoon video games and film reviews
2 years ago
Anonymous
he literally talks about how Butch Hartman was his main inspiration for a long time.
Does anyone have that image that shows the concept sketch next to these final versions?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I dob't know why you want it, but here
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thank you. The reason I wanted them is because I remembered from an earlier thread that they actually looked a lot more appealing than the final versions and this does seem to be the case.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That’s because he doesn’t actually design his characters, he has another person do it and then butchers their sketches while taking the credit
Lesbians are so overused in cartoons now gimmie non binaries asexuals hell even bisexual people are underused in cartoons nowadays
2 years ago
Anonymous
Gimmie, dare I say it, heterosexuals.
2 years ago
Anonymous
nta but I still have a m/f couple in one of my stories and I'm getting afraid that people will hate them just because of that
2 years ago
Anonymous
Honestly, from what I have seen, heterosexual men and women usually find it easier to write lesbians as opposed to gay men or bisexual men. A lot of times when straight men try to write gay or bi men, it's a travesty like that shitty game Dream Daddy.
This probably explains why gay authors like Bret Easton Ellis tend to write gay characters the best
2 years ago
Anonymous
Idk, i get asking gay people for advice writing gay characters but at what point will i need them to just handle everything involving that character in specific? I'm not against the idea of adding diverse characters but the problem is I have a VERY specific perspective on sexuality, let alone the intricacies of a gay man's mind, or anyone who isn't a straight white male
2 years ago
Anonymous
As a bi guy, I genuinely think it's hard for a show, specifically when it's aimed for children to really get into the intricacies of adult characters who happen to be Gay, Bi, etc. Especially when talking about relationships. Most of these relationships from my personal experience start sexual then proceed to become romantic as opposed to the other way around half the time which is the polar opposite of straight relationships. And of course since you can't really cover sex in a kids show then those characters can tend to feel not as fleshed out and whatnot. I'd still recommend getting advice from those types of people then using your own experiences to write them out as well, balancing both perspectives for what you are aiming for in your story
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think at the end of the day most people forget that gay people aren't some monolith. There's many different gay individuals who won't act or look the same just because they are gay. One gay guy could be really flamboyant and sexual, another could be a gym bro whose shy. Gay people.... are people. A gay person having a crush isn't usually too different from a straight person having a crush. It's just different genders. I think wanting some perspective isn't a bad idea, but also remember that your characters are people first, then their identities.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This. So many people overthink this shit I swear.
T. Homo
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're talking to autists who barely understand people to begin with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
but anon what about muh anal sex AIDS spreaders????
2 years ago
Anonymous
Blame the LGBTWTFPWNBBQ movement that tries to set a standard for queers and be the face of everything not-straight.
2 years ago
Anonymous
gays are featured more in adult cartoons like venture bros, moral orel, and south park while lesbians are the more common kid cartoon representation
2 years ago
Anonymous
In fairness if it's in the 2000s, lesbians would be the only gay rep available.
Learn to draw and write you fricking talentless hacks. The only time when piss-poor designs are acceptable is when you give them stick figure fight tier animation and I sure as frick never ever see any fighting sequences with these Felix the Cat and UPA tier designs.
Japan is dancing on your heads and taking over animation. SHAME, AMERICA, SMAMEEEFURRR DISPRAY.
You don't even need to animate shit much at all. All you need is hot waifu coomer bait girls, and you can just fade pose to pose, and people will look at you like the second coming of jesus.
you don't even need to do that, you can just draw them and people will flock to them if they look appealing enough to be a FOTM, and basically build your empire for you, guaranteeing interest in any of your future projects
> a story about all the lives of Animation employees amount to, besides making crudely drawn content for children they constantly try to stuff with perverted additions
Let's ship them to War torn Africa, they will finally graduate from struggling to grow up under the adversity
Kek, I also forgot Mark is in this one too.
I love Internet Critic productions because 9 times out of 10, it's an absolute abomination. Sometimes it's an entertaining abomination like pic related, but its mostly not
Also that animation sucks monkey butt
It’s so baffling to me it’s just two characters sitting down talking with really poor lip sync. The designs are garbage and look like pre-school doodles, and the jokes are horrible. It’s pretty good for curing my insomnia tho so there’s that
Also, just because the characters are just sitting down and talking doesn’t mean it has to be this stilted. Don’t believe me? Watch Ricky Gervais Show
Based ricky gervais. It's so expressive even though it's essentially just character rigs animated in flash.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah. It’s funny the shows style was very influenced by 1950s Hannah Barbera. Like HB tho, Ricky Gervais made for its limitations by having fun and expressive animations and really appealing HB-inspired designs
wtf, how do you get chased off by mr enter of all people
Back then in 2018 people unironically thought mrenter was going to change for the better instead of his own raging at newer spongebob old ways
Flash forward to 4 years mrneter because an antivaxxer and antimasker conspiracy nut jumped on the anti sjw wagon 4 years too late have yet to deliver on his growing around promise and now known as thay 911 not in turning red guy
Ironic now considering Turkey tom can make a call out video on mrenter and his autistic stuff he did over the years after his short lived beef with him that could be a good documentary to make on
Seriously. If he’s going for that angular and flat Y2K UPA-inspired style, then make it look interesting like just like the actual cartoons from that era.
>gray cat >brown mouse >literally tom and jerry drawn in a rip off butch hartman style
I fricking hate this moron so much. Imagine lacking the creativity to do create decent looking characters? On top of that, he doesnt even design most of them. He hired someone to create characters for him and then he butchers them in his art style
I hate this so much, all of the characters look like Sonic OCs mixed with Tuff Puppy background characters with none of the coom appeal.
Also Mark is an unironic zoomer, sometimes I get shat on for being young, but he's a couple of years younger than me. Ironically for a cartoon set in the early 2000s, Mark was either not born or a fricking baby at the time.
I hope this befalls the critic curse, and bombs, making Mark a lolcow if he isn't already.
https://www.toonboom.com/character-rigs-and-an-upcoming-coming-of-age-comedy-in-rob-clay >How would you describe the art style? >Mark: The art style takes influence from the UPA aesthetic, in terms of backgrounds and background characters. With the main characters being heavily influenced by Butch Hartman, but more rounded and softer looking.
You really can't make this shit up.
i think mark's said it before but he doesn't really hate butch. he still respects him for having created a lot of his favourite shows and his impact on the industry, but is disappointed in how butch acts today. he just plays up the act of hating him a lot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Make sense if he didn't play up the hartman hate he will get call out as a hartman apologist and get shat on by the cartoon community who are really pro LGBTQ
>Mark: The art style takes influence from the UPA aesthetic, in terms of backgrounds and background characters. With the main characters being heavily influenced by Butch Hartman, but more rounded and softer looking.
This is the main reason why the art made by most cartoon fans these days look so soulless and often blend in with each other. Instead of taking inspiration from multiple different styles and mediums they will just copy the style of one or two cartoons and call it a day. Mark says that his art takes influence from UPA yet only looks at Butch Hartman cartoons and poorly copies it instead of studying the vast amount of UPA shorts and UPA inspired cartoons to find what aspects of those things appeal to him and use those techniques to build toward his own unique style.
I find it really funny how people that build themselves online, jump shit really fricking hard to make a tv show, and his videos are passable at best, so I really don't see what his deal is here, or what his draw is. Maybe he thinks he can make it big? Seems like a waste of time to me, better get some friend and release some show online then deal with all of this nonsense.
Makes sense, though it just opens so much problems for them, cause the screenshot looks really generic, and the premise is blah, so idk what is going though his head, would be funny to see him responding to videos of people calling the show shitty.
Mark has a ton of industry connections now due to friends and traveling, he managed to get a team together with animation experience that can actually accomplish finishing this.
He has a vast audience thanks to his 5 to 7 hour videos reviewing every episode of certain cartoon seasons, so it'll have eyes on it at least. If it'll actually be any good? Guess we'll have to see.
What gets me is that they are furriers, okay man is that all you could come up with, the premise too, like cmon people talk endlessly nowadays including me about how things need to be more creative and more free, and this looks like a job opening for a random children's picture book.
I hate this so much, all of the characters look like Sonic OCs mixed with Tuff Puppy background characters with none of the coom appeal.
Also Mark is an unironic zoomer, sometimes I get shat on for being young, but he's a couple of years younger than me. Ironically for a cartoon set in the early 2000s, Mark was either not born or a fricking baby at the time.
I hope this befalls the critic curse, and bombs, making Mark a lolcow if he isn't already.
Veronica is a 6/10 at best. I wouldn't say hot. If anything, he has a chance to be a lolcow. It doesn't matter if you're attractive or not, but this dude is as interesting as a wet carrot that it has a bigger chance of not happening. He did flip out when people didn't like his review though
veronica is a lolcow for dating a zoomer teen 10 years younger than her and flying around california with him to go meet internet lolcows who made cartoons for zoomers like him
100%. I think she groomed mark or something. VERY strange to be in chris's shoes right now knowing your ex gf is fricking basically a child obsessed with sonic and butch hartman. how old is she? wiki says 26 but that can't still be accurate. she's sagging like a mf and wears three layers of makeup. legit looks late 30s if i had to guess.
>oney becomes a lets player >stamper gets addicted to hard drugs >egoraptor becomes a corporate lets player >jontron discovered /misc/ and tried to spread their ideas >oney's gf left him for a series of dudes, moving all the way to an autistic teen >psychicpebbles got his own show and is doing well with it, but there's so much overlap between the jokes on the show and jokes from his lets plays with oney that it's obvious his schtick is limited
So weird to have followed these creators for the past fourteen years.
>jontron discovered /misc/ and tried to spread their ideas
Honestly kind of shocking how well he recovered from that, at the time I legitimately thought he was done. Certainly didn't expect him to still get sponsors and pull in millions of views with 5 or so videos a year.
I don't think Jon even believed in what he was saying.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jon is one of those dopes who gets his info from Right Wing Twitter and /misc/. He’s probably also one of those mongoloids who supported not for any of his positions but to “trigger da Libs”
2 years ago
Anonymous
He wasn’t wrong, just a moron in the way he explained himself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I disagree with his opinions.
Now everyone reply to me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
he definitely did, he's not a fricking child
"Jontron" is a character, Jon Jafari is the person, and Jon Jafari legitimately believes /misc/homosexual shit.
Majority of his fans never saw the debate, since it was kinda long and boring for most fans. They just saw the response video and assumed he just made some off color jokes in there.
>Honestly kind of shocking how well he recovered from that,
It's not shocking at all. He conveyed controversial information poorly on a livestream, corrected himself on the details, and moved on. The internet forgives and forgets pretty easily as long as you're not an autist constantly starting serious drama or as long as you didn't hurt/solicit a child or animal.
2 years ago
Anonymous
literally this. nothing he said was wrong, he just portrayed it poorly. The accusations that came after were pretty baseless and to be quite honest i don't think most people even cared to begin with
2 years ago
Anonymous
No a lot of what he said was wrong and based on /misc/ memes
2 years ago
Anonymous
i don't remember asking but thanks for your input
2 years ago
Anonymous
>passive aggressive seething
reddit is that way
he literally cited a fake infograph that /misc/ made
Emily Youcis. Her little card stunt even made the news like six years ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That was a thing where I initially learned about it and thought, "That's a surprise," but thought on it another minute and realized, "No, it's not at all."
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did she had any signs of she becoming a nazi before 2016
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, but she's always been very obviously mentally unstable so turning into an alt-right prostitute wasn't exactly an unbelievable twist in her life's story. For want of a nail, she would have trooned out instead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There’s no way she’s Hispanic. That b***h is just a white Philly thot trash. It was pretty fun going through her Kiwifarms account where it was revealed she used to be a humongous bawd, and even tried to frick some of the NG guys, and THEN, one Kiwi went through the Pennsylvania sex offender records and he managed to find a man with the last time Youcis who is believed to be her father, their eyes even look similar. This didn’t come as shock tho, if you watch her Alfred Alger animations, it’s obvious she was abused as a child
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's the b***h who crashed MAGFest 2016, right?
It wouldn't have been GOOD without her, but it wouldn't have been as insufferable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, she kept whispering into Sandra Rivas' ear every 10 minutes I think.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I wonder what she was whispering
2 years ago
Anonymous
poor sandra. i would have punched emily so she wouldn't bother her.. she's too adorable
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sandra became a typical backstabbing California animator stuck in dead end jobs, don't feel too bad
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don’t care what anyone says, that panel was fricking hilarious >Mick is completely shitfaced through out the entire panel, and everyone is a bit buzzed >Mick spills Whiskey all over the table by throwing a water bottle >Mick’s drunkenness gets worse as the panel goes on >It’s revealed on OneyPlays he took a piss on the sink in behind the panel >TopSpinTheFuzzy begins to get really irritated at his shenanigans and behavior >Chris tries to calm Mick, Mick then starts acting gay towards Chris rubbing himself on him, and complementing his smell >Chris calls out Emily Youcis as a joke then she (possible drunk too) runs and crashes the panel >Begins interjection between very fricking answer the panel members give >Some of her answers are completely insane and weird >Some kid asks a question and she screams, “Hey man you look like Spencer Rice!” >Another (a small young Asian kid) asks how to make a cartoon, she suggests making one about his mom getting raped >Mick soon morphs from “Happy Goofy Drunk” to “Mean Wife Beating Drunk” >Stars to yell at Emily and insult her drunkenly , which is pretty funny >He even smacks her hand at one point >Starts to get aggressive with the guests >Gets aggressive with Jake Gantz, like he want to fight >Even Sandra has to tell Jim fricking stop >A coomer asks how much money he can make doing porn. Emily and Mick call for Cory Spazkid to come on the stage >Emily starts flirting with Mick and begind hawking her Patreon, Mick tells her yo frick off >A severely autistic man walk up and goes and on about Star Vs and begins to promote some shitty Internet Critic and gets yelled at by another person to shut frick up
It is such a beautiful train wreck
2 years ago
Anonymous
This greentext made me wanna watch it again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its so beautiful it inspired a shanty
2 years ago
Anonymous
>A severely autistic man walk up and goes and on about Star Vs and begins to promote some shitty Internet Critic and gets yelled at by another person to shut frick up
Best moment by far, his voice is so stereotypically goofy
2 years ago
Anonymous
As funny as it was, this honestly made me hate Mick for a while. He is a cool guy and all but something about seeing a 40+ year old man acting like this at what's basically a cartoon panel attached to a video game convention makes it really sad
Emily Youcis. Her little card stunt even made the news like six years ago.
That's the b***h who crashed MAGFest 2016, right?
It wouldn't have been GOOD without her, but it wouldn't have been as insufferable.
isn't there a rumor that she was the really shitty roommate the Sleepycabin crew had who stole Stamper's cat and got their house infested with moths
2 years ago
Anonymous
No way
I refuse the Sleepy boys where crazy enough to let that crazy c**t live with them, specially when you keep in mind the Kiwifarms Emily Youcis thread. On that thread it is mentioned by someone who knew Emily before she went full 1488, that she had a habit of flirting with a lot of the guys and kept trying to frick the guys from NG at PicoDay.
Makes sense when watching the MagFest 2016 panel. In the panel Emily wraps her arms around a drunken Mick and begins kissing him. Then in of his drunken rages, he tells her, “Emily I don’t wanna frick you!” And then Chris hilarious yells, “Hey!” Trying to get Mick to come down
Also in her teenage online diaries Emily goes on and on about wanting to get fricked by multiple guys and with a hard rock wiener. Makes sense too, when you keep in mind her sexual abuse
2 years ago
Anonymous
please i can only get so erect
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well…there is that one video of her running around naked in the woods. Love your children anons and don’t let any sickos touch them, unless you want an Emily Youcis on your hands
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean Stamper was a part of the sleepy crew at the time, in fact part of the rumor comes from the fact that supposedly he was dating Emily at the time (i could be wrong on this), they also lived in what was apparently once an art museum renovated into living quarters; Corey's room had glass shards on the ceiling that would occasionally fall down and nearly cut people
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kek, Corey was living like an animal. And I actually picture the schizo that is Stamper dating that maniac Emily Youcis. I heard once that during a Sleepy Cabon stream Emily’s name got mentioned to which Jeff replied, “We shouldn’t talk about her.”
2 years ago
Anonymous
no, the rumor is that was stamper's girlfriend joy.
i wouldn't say she left oney, moreso he dumped her and she rebounded through his friends to cause drama and then settled for a guy who looks like her ex, but younger. She's talked about being an alcoholic and it affecting her, so i assume that had a lot to probably do with chris dumping her. I remember her posting a very cryptic instagram story a while back (around the time she and chris got back together a second time and then were distant again 2 or 3 months later) where she just smokes a cig and says in a mocking voice "You're being difficult veronica, you're being difficult" and then taking a hit after. She's clearly the one who got kicked and has coped ever since. Give it time, both her and maybe LS Mark will get some kind of thread on kiwifarms or lolcow
>where she just smokes a cig and says in a mocking voice "You're being difficult veronica, you're being difficult" and then taking a hit after.
that sounds incredibly pathetic
the only people in this green text that are failures are Arin and Stamper
everyone else is doing fine, Oney's even making a game and is getting a pianist certification
Yeah, but there is so few western youtube animations that take any advantage of it. I mean look at helluvaboss, people went bonkers for loona. You'd think we see more of those kinds of animations by now...
The problem isn't a lack of coomers but a lack of creativity with coomers in tow.
Most coomershit is explicitly for the purpose of coom, rather than a springboard from which to have coom generated. We need coomer artists working on and designing for non-coomer projects.
The great nip Hayoa Miyazaki said it best, modern creators are shit because they are coddled and have no real life expereinces to base their stories, they just try to "emulate" other works and hope no one notices
Yup. A lot of these creators do so many fricking references and all these other things that it's blatant. SU and OK KO have it. LS Mark seems to be a sheltered kid in all honesty.
yeah, it happens often. this dude is a complete fricking hack though and i can't stand his videos. I don't understand how he even got big, but then i remember finding out who he was when it came out he was involved with that turkey tom shit. Dude got lucky he did a video on it. Guarantee you that if he had zilch to do with it, he wouldn't be relevant to this day
Yup. A lot of these creators do so many fricking references and all these other things that it's blatant. SU and OK KO have it. LS Mark seems to be a sheltered kid in all honesty.
Yup, odd1out is another good example. Dude was barely turning 20 when he blew up. Literally the sum of all his life experiences is growing a boring midwest suburb and working at subway for like a year. He still milks those stories because hes never had to truly work at anything and can only talk about meeting other autisticly rich 20 somethings doing the same sameshit. he basically won a fame lottery.
>Takes place in the early 2000s
MARK YOU FRICKING homosexual YOU WERE BORN IN 2002
YOU WERE A TODDLER FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE 2000s
YOU WERE BARELY 7 WHEN IT ENDED YOU ZOOMIE homosexual
he'll probably just watch cartoons from the 2000s and rip them off into his cartoon. Like
The great nip Hayoa Miyazaki said it best, modern creators are shit because they are coddled and have no real life expereinces to base their stories, they just try to "emulate" other works and hope no one notices
said, this dude ain't got nothing to talk about because he has not experienced that time. I was 4 when the 2000s came and i vividly remember everything from there on.
These israelitetuber cartoons rarely see past a pilot or animatic, no doubt that this will succumb to the same fate Do hope rebeltaxi's succeeds, unironically seems neat
You are correct
I dislike the "hey guys look at us we're just a couple of silly guys" variety of youtuber, very few can pull it off well. You are not special.
I hate this mother fricker and having him pop up in recommendations because I like cartoons. Actual comedy black hole.
Thought i was only one seeing this but yeah its everywhere no matter where you look at now. There was less of this years ago, guess things have changed since.
people talk about many people being a scandal waiting to happen but I give this dude two, maybe three years before he's a pariah. and I think it's gonna be due to him defending one of his friends for doing some horrible. just a hunch.
The description tells me absolutely nothing, is a fitting description of several shows over the past 2 decades, and I initially thought it was a commentary like scrimblobimblo but I guess it’s a genuine ip coming out?
It's literally the easiest thing in the world to write about because its literally the only thing in the world that literally every single person has experience with.
Most people grew up with boring as frick childhoods and young adult years. There's a reason memes have to be weird or absurd because the frickers making them need an escape from mundanity
The funny thing about this is that these pitches about "learning to grow up" is made by people who have yet to grow up. Nobody who makes videos about Sonic and bland Butch Hartman shows actually knows anything about maturing.
Out of all the angular 2000s styles to choose from, why the hell did he choose Hartman's? And not even inspired, just a bland copy. There are so many better options from that decade to learn from.
why is so many people into Hartman's style? these fricking reviewers have the shittiest of tastes, pan is the only one that actually has a cool aesthetic but ruins it with his ugly tumblr designs. I fricking despise these reviewers, having influences like Genddy or even McCracken they choose to bosses over the shittiest, most stiff and corporate of art styles
>why is so many people into Hartman's style?
Because it's very simple to do, I seriously think just about anyone could do it with enough time to spare. It's so simplistic that you can use MSpaint's line, curve line and circle tool for it. You don't need to know line weight because it's just "thin on the inside thick on the outside" with the same consistency, you don't need to know posing because you can just draw a character with that dumb "arms down, hand sticking out" pose and it'll be fine, and you don't need to give any volume or depth to your characters because everyone intentionally looks completely flat. It's the ultimate entry level art style for cartoon artists but I wish they'd choose something that actually looked cool like what you said, Craig or Genndy or something.
that fricking sucks. I wish there were more cartoon reviewers that appreciated the medium, they don't give a shit about animation besides the crap they watched as kids.
Because it’s simply easy as frick to draw in Hartman’s style, it’s what makes it so bland. Look at the example I posted from Jaime Hewlett
Seriously, there were so many unique takes on that angular UPA style, my favorite is Jamie Hewlett’s take on it.
Hartman’s is so devoid of SOUL
it’s angular, stylized, but not totally flat. This is because you can see wraparounds, form,
and a good understanding of anatomy, Hewlett simply takes this anatomy and design and exaggerates it. You can see the angular helmet actually wrap around Noodle’s head and her mouth isn’t a simple straight line design, if you look closely you can see it also wraps around her face.
Tl;dr: the UPA/Y2K style is not as simple as it looks and it can actually be a b***h to get right and to make it look appealing, or you can just the low ugly effort shit Hartman does
Maybe they're copying Butch Hartman a bit too much.
you get to produce an animated show and this is your premise? you could make it live-action and it wouldn't matter, if you desperately want your shitty furry ocs in it just make it comic. No wonder Japan is beating our ass at animation, they actually treat the medium as a form of art.
Learn to draw and write you fricking talentless hacks. The only time when piss-poor designs are acceptable is when you give them stick figure fight tier animation and I sure as frick never ever see any fighting sequences with these Felix the Cat and UPA tier designs.
Japan is dancing on your heads and taking over animation. SHAME, AMERICA, SMAMEEEFURRR DISPRAY.
then why not use their childish mentality to write fantasy stories instead? seems lile everything must be relatable or down to earth to get to people meanwhile people rather go for anime or japanese videogames to disconnect from reality for a while, this is why isekais are a popular genre
>No wonder Japan is beating our ass at animation, they actually treat the medium as a form of art.
and yet you weebs continue to do nothing about it. Not that I disagree, or that I'm defending this shitpile, but for fricks sake, if you care that much about the state of Western Animation, either make your own cartoon, or frick off back to Cinemaphile and stay there.
what are we supposed to do about it? the medium is utterly corrupt, even if by some miracle some of us managed to make something it would just die as a pilot with less than 1k views because westerners aren't interested in real art, they just want lesbian shipping and crappy ''kiddy'' cartoons that are ''wholesome'' because they are still mentally 12yo. All the westerners interested in animation as a form of art are going to try their best to make it into the anime industry, not bootlick their israeli overlords to get a chance to work on a calarts abomination.
>All the westerners interested in animation as a form of art are going to try their best to make it into the anime industry
Either that or video games.
>All the westerners interested in animation as a form of art are going to try their best to make it into the anime industry
Then just do that then and stop fricking whining. Have fun getting overworked with your shitty wages
>Then just do that then and stop fricking whining. Have fun getting overworked with your shitty wages
why so mad at facts? America hasn't made a single good thing besides Primal in decades
>America hasn't made a single good thing besides Primal in decades
Be the change you want to see
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Be the change you want to see
it took genddy over 10 years of working with fricking adam sandler on a shitty kids movie to get enough funding (and contacts) to get his passion project going, you think making animation in America is easy? in Japan you can turn an indie passion project made in ms paint into a million-dollar franchise because they value creativity and effort over your politics and how good you suck dick
>America hasn't made a single good thing besides Primal in decades
i hope youre just talking about shows with pretty animation
2 years ago
Anonymous
Primal is a work of art, it's incomparable to stuff like amphibian or owl house that are just kiddie adventure shows with some basic lore. Arcane is good too but it's based on a videogame and most people that watched it did it only because of that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
is primal really the only good animated show you've ever watched?
[...]
[...] >No wonder Japan is beating our ass at animation, they actually treat the medium as a form of art.
and yet you weebs continue to do nothing about it. Not that I disagree, or that I'm defending this shitpile, but for fricks sake, if you care that much about the state of Western Animation, either make your own cartoon, or frick off back to Cinemaphile and stay there.
>America hasn't made a single good thing besides Primal in decades
Be the change you want to see
>"You aren't allowed to complain that this food is bad unless you make it yourself!" >"You aren't allowed to complain that this chair is shoddily built and unstable unless you build a chair yourself!" >"You aren't allowed to complain about how glitchy this game is unless you make one yourself!"
you're a fricking idiot
Cartoons are a product and are made to be viewed by viewers, the end-user. This stupid mentality of "you need to be a chef to complain about food" is exactly why the american (particularly californian) animation scene produces so much constant shit while getting defensive when anyone tries to critique it. This is why most shows die out after two ever-shortened "seasons".
And these shitty US cartoons are going to remain shitty because nobody chooses to do anything about it but sit and complain about it on Cinemaphile
2 years ago
Anonymous
>nobody chooses to do anything about it but sit and complain about it on Cinemaphile
the industry is overrun by hacks and people that want to push an agenda, also a bunch of talentless artists. It's not worth fighting a lose battle, it's better to use your time to try to get into an industry that actually values artistic skills over your skin tone or who you decide to frick.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's better to use your time to try to get into an industry that actually values artistic skills over your skin tone or who you decide to frick.
or to spend your time b***hing on a board dedicated to those shitty western cartoons
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's a discussion board, unlike you i don't come here to talk about how much I want to frick cartoon girls. Primal S2 is airing so I am visiting.
>westerners aren't interested in real art
Stop lumping in the rest of us Westerners with America you fricking weebtard and look at some foreign films outside of Japan and America
yeah those foreign animated films that always bankrupt the studio and lose the Oscars to crappy Disney films. Westerners don't care about art, they just care about consuming the latest big franchise
The Oscars and Disney are American, argument discarded
2 years ago
Anonymous
that just proves my point, moron. nobody cares about those foreign films, anything that's not Disney does like shit at the box office, even non American productions like that viking show are trying to appeal to western sensibilities by adding a Black person to the cast
2 years ago
Anonymous
You mean nobody in AMERICA cares about those films, how America receives those films is not of my concern
2 years ago
Anonymous
nobody gives a shit, otherwise, they would be on the same level as anime, but they are not. Only animation autists even know about movies like muthafrickas or wolfwalkers and they barely even get recognition here because they don't have gay shipping and aren't made by disney.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wolfwalkers was kneecapped from the start being an appletv exclusive, if it came out on Netflix or literally any other streaming service it'd probably done a lot better.
>Stop lumping in the rest of us Westerners with America
The internet is an American invention and inherently, predominantly anglocentric. The vast majority of non-Americans who use the system either have to put up with newsfeeds of shit that's irrelevant to them, overcome themselves and love Big Brother, or form increasingly insular communities dedicated to preserving their own culture
you need to look outside of the generic isekai shit then, there is so much anime and manga it's basically impossible you can't find any you love. My mom loves Yuru Camp, and my dad loved Cowboy bebop. I recommend you to watch Satoshi Kon's movies if you aren't into the generic kawaii uguu anime.
>homie come on
hey, my mom likes comfy shows and anime has one that I can actually watch with the family, it actually helped her relax a lot after work. >as overrated as it is, its one of those rare animes that felt like a real passion project
there are a bunch of those, cowboy bebop just happens to be one of the best.
is primal really the only good animated show you've ever watched?
>is primal really the only good animated show you've ever watched?
no, but it's one of the best and honestly, there isn't much to choose from. Feel free to rec me stuff if you want.
>there are a bunch of those
there are like 4 in total kek
>Feel free to rec me stuff if you want.
venture bros, prime simpsons, harvey birdman, moral orel, the critic, athf, metalocalypse, archer, home movies, and capeshit kino if you're into that
2 years ago
Anonymous
>there are like 4 in total kek
you have to be kidding me, you need to lurk moar
also, most of the stuff you recced minus orel is just of comedies. Are you really comparing athf, which is just a bunch of pngs, to fricking Primal? seriously Americans need to learn how to treat animation with respect, and I like those shows but they are nowhere near the quality of even the most generic of shonen shit like Demon Slayer.
2 years ago
Anonymous
how is being a comedy a bad thing? the shows have great writing and some have decent or great animation too >they are nowhere near the quality of even the most generic of shonen shit like Demon Slayer
do you not see a show past its animation
2 years ago
Anonymous
>how is being a comedy a bad thing? the shows have great writing and some have decent or great animation too
it just proves that westerners don't see animation as art it's just way cheaper to produce than live action, also none of those has great animation minus the first seasons of The Simpsons >do you not see a show past its animation
it's called animation for a reason, if you aren't going to respect the medium what's the point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
which shows have you actually watched from that list
2 years ago
Anonymous
>simpsons,orel, the critic,athf and metalpocalypse
you could have at least added comedies with good animation like bondooks or black dynamite
2 years ago
Anonymous
watch venture bros
2 years ago
Anonymous
nah, kinda tired of comedies give me an action show
2 years ago
Anonymous
honestly, I'd say actions are the second most overused genre in american animation after comedies. Give me a drama or horror instead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>honestly, I'd say actions are the second most overused genre in american animation after comedies
maybe in the 80's and it was barely action >drama
frick no, that's lame >horror
wasn't there a very recent horror movie released for netflix? it had puppets I think
2 years ago
Anonymous
>frick no, that's lame
so, you believe animation should avoid dramas entirely just because you personally dislike it? didn't you say we should be taking animation more seriously earlier? >wasn't there a very recent horror movie released for netflix? it had puppets I think
that's one example, and I don't even know which one you're talking about so obviously it's not very common
2 years ago
Anonymous
if it's not your style then fine, but you should at least know what it is before you generalize all cartoon shows as bad with shitty animation besides primal. for action like i said there's shows from DCAU
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but you should at least know what it is before you generalize all cartoon shows as bad with shitty animation besides primal.
dude you didn't provide a single show better than primal, you used fricking aqua teen as an example of good animation >for action like i said there's shows from DCAU
no, thanks. I don't want to watch a trillion shows of varying quality that never go anywhere because the universe keeps resetting or whatever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you didn't provide a single show better than primal
venture bros is arguably the best cartoon show besides prime simpsons AND it's action adventure show but you still dismissed it as "just another comedy." like i said, cartoon shows, just like any show, are supposed to have good writing
>you used fricking aqua teen as an example of good animation
i used it as an example of a good show because it's a good show
2 years ago
Anonymous
Primal doesn't even need writing, it can hook you in with good direction and animation alone. It's an absolute work of art, not comparable to a comedy show.
>frick no, that's lame
so, you believe animation should avoid dramas entirely just because you personally dislike it? didn't you say we should be taking animation more seriously earlier? >wasn't there a very recent horror movie released for netflix? it had puppets I think
that's one example, and I don't even know which one you're talking about so obviously it's not very common
>so, you believe animation should avoid dramas entirely just because you personally dislike it? didn't you say we should be taking animation more seriously earlier?
never said so, It's just that American writings drama is just south operas with gay characters, not really that interesting. >that's one example, and I don't even know which one you're talking about so obviously it's not very common
The house, forgot the name. Nobody watches non disney animation so it got forgotten pretty quickly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
maybe they're not comparable, but at their core tv shows should have good writing, and if they don't, that's a major flaw, a flaw anime suffers from. if you can ignore bad writing, fine, but you can't go to Cinemaphile and flail your arms around about how animated tv shows suck because everything isn't like primal or shows prioritize substance over visuals. news flash, cartoons and anime are different mediums with different flaws that separate the crap from the good
2 years ago
Anonymous
>a flaw anime suffers from
you haven't watched enough anime to tell >if you can ignore bad writing, fine, but you can't go to Cinemaphile and flail your arms around about how animated tv shows suck because everything isn't like primal or shows prioritize substance over visuals. news flash, cartoons and anime are different mediums with different flaws that separate the crap from the good
I prioritize animation as art rather than just a cheap way for comedians to create a show without having to hire actors and make sets. I am just pointing out how America treats animation like crap and just a cheaper medium than live action. Aqua teen might be the funniest show ever, it doesn't matter in this context, because it's not art, never intended to be either, which is my biggest problem with western animation. Japan also has crappy flash comedies but it doesn't limit the medium just to that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
there's only so much anime that's worth watching kek a lot of fans praise the most mediocre shit ever >rather than just a cheap way for comedians to create a show without having to hire actors and make sets
you can say the same thing about these artsy shows just as a way to show of their work while having zero substance as actual shows and therefore are bad AS shows instead of art films. you're hard on athf for no reason, i used it as an example of an animated show with good writing but theres literally venture bros right there with good writing AND good animation, something anime just cannot fully accomplish in my eyes. and i assume others feel the same because we don't have this strange xenophilia towards japan despite their balls in your face obvious flaws with their writing
2 years ago
Anonymous
whatever man, it's useless to discuss with a westerner about animation, apparently if you don't spill the plot word for word and show instead of telling means your show has zero substance and it's just ''good animation''. No wonder why manga and anime are annihilating the western animation and comic industry.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I thought you said no one watches anything that wasn't made by Disney
2 years ago
Anonymous
i was talking about western animation, can't you read? thanks to westerners making pure crap like family guy and it's million clones no one takes it seriously like anime
2 years ago
Anonymous
anime getting that popular doesn't make it better lol even Cinemaphile gays acknowledge mainstream anime fricking sucks
2 years ago
Anonymous
doesn't matter, it's respected as a medium unlike western animation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
right, it being actually good or not doesnt matter, its about popularity. thats why you got bullied out of Cinemaphile so youre posting here
2 years ago
Anonymous
>right, it being actually good or not doesnt matter, its about popularity. thats why you got bullied out of Cinemaphile so youre posting here
but anime is good AND popular.
Not that anon but, animation in general isn’t “respected”. Motherfrickers still believe anything animated is “for kids”.
nah, anime made people respect animation in the 80's with Akira. Again, even my parents like anime and animation is only starting to grow out of its ''for children'' status thanks to anime.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>anime >the capeshit of japan >good
2 years ago
Anonymous
unlike in america Japan doesn't have a monopoly, anime is made by different studios not just your overlord Disney
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not that anon but, animation in general isn’t “respected”. Motherfrickers still believe anything animated is “for kids”.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>never said so
well, I just said "give me a drama" and you just said "frick no", I didn't say anything specific like "give me one where it ends with two lesbian protagonists falling in love"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>also none of those has great animation minus the first seasons of The Simpsons
Really? Personally I love Venture Bros.' art style, and Morel is no Kubo but it still has some impressive stop-motion animation for a TV production despite the simple puppets/sets
2 years ago
Anonymous
the point is, none of those are near the quality of Primal. I wouldn't call orel animation great, it's just very well directed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Personally I love Venture Bros.' art style
same. the character designs are great and the style pays homage very well to the old cartoons its inspiration comes from
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't disagree with you there, but the funny thing is I only ever see normies making fun of it or parodying it. People who are passionate about the era made and still make some high quality stuff. Most of the best stuff made in the 00s for example were all homages of things from the 80s.
minecraft? honestly, as a zoomer i don't remember anything from the 2010's, or at least anything that I partake in, it was the era where everything fun died. I don't know why Mark wants to make a show about 00's nostalgia bait, I am a year older than him and I can't remember shit from that time
I suppose something like how people look at old Zelda CDI/AOSTH/Hotel Mario/etc youtube poops nowadays, but with tiktok trends >haha remember when we tore shit out of the school walls for our #deviouslicks? now those were the days, much better than all the deranged shit people do online now
Minecraft and Adventure Time are the first things that come to mind. Other cartoons like MLP:FiM, Regular Show, Gumball, maybe even SU despite the criticism of it. Angry Birds, TF2 before it got bad, Dark Souls, Skyirm, could list more but I got to run.
I think 2010s nostalgia is gonna be more centered around the early half because the second half was nothing but politics and cheap profitable addiction apps.
for me its more about mobas like lol, dota and e-sports and streamers. things I never got into because I am too autistic to play online and I hate streamers
Minecraft, Popular let's players/ youtubers at the time, FNAF, M* l*ttle p*ny G4, 2010s memes, angry birds and bad piggies, regular show, adventure time, tumblr aesthetics, no LGBT or race shit being forced into everything, club penguin and other mmos nearing death, cringe culture, anything else?
It's not even quite 2010s nostalgia time yet, and I'm already nostalgic, I miss the early 2010s before 2016. Every decade is getting worse, and I'm dreading going into the 2030s.
wtf is the point of having a show be set in the early 00s when it isn't even set in reality? Turning Red at the very least chose a real location and was inspired by actual trends from the time. Its depressing just how uncreative so many people in this industry really are......
have a nice day
Bad
It will frickin’ suck.
>it takes place in the era I grew up in, and it's a story about people struggling to grow up
Stunning!
Write what you know I guess lol
It’s probably just going to be a bland tbh nothing horrible and nothing amazing.
I don’t think it’s going to be very funny and that’s a deal breaker
Early 2000's? That fricker wasn't even alive in the early 2000's
> Born in 2002
He was, but he was extremely young
do you think they will talk about the 9/11?
Nostalgia for the 2000s is beginning
>beginning
>beginning
We're already knee-deep into nostalgia for the 2010s, anon.
Look at all the cartoon projects like this and Turning Red that are suddenly set in the early 2000s. Even here in Cinemaphile you have people talking about how "the 2000s weren't so bad". The nostalgia is starting now.
sure buddy
>"the 2000s weren't so bad".
right is still happening but in 1080p 4k
>children did not exist in 2003
>only the war on terror existed in 2003
yeah I remember in 2003 when we all brought our rifles to school
I don't think you realize that stuff happened before during and after 2003.
What's weird is the left doesn't look any different than the generic crap put out today
You are a absolute fricking autist, non-autists don't concern themselves with fricking wars and politics when they were a kid or teen in the 2000s.
Cinemaphile has had a fondness for 2000s cartoons for years now.
In fact 2000s cartoons is the era that gets talked about the most outside of any current airing cartoons.
Examples include Jimmy Neutron, Invader Zim, Fairly OddParents, Danny Phantom, Avatar, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Kim Possible, Phineas and Ferb, Total Drama, Jackie Chan Adventures, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Totally Spies, Justice League, Teen Titans, Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Clone High, Samurai Jack, Code Lyoko, Duck Dodgers, Star Wars: Clone Wars, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Megas XLR, Venture Bros, Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, 6teen, W.I.T.C.H., Winx Club, American Dad, Wayside, Ben 10, American Dragon, Moral Orel, Boondocks, Robot Chicken, Ruby Gloom, The Emperor's New Groove, Rango, Kappa Mickey, Treasure Planet, Coraline, Shrek, Incredibles, WALL-E, kung fu Panda, Megamind, Storm Hawks, El Tigre, Atlantis, Xavier: Renegade Angle, Making Fiends, Super Jail, Archer, Jimmy Two-Shoes, Wakfu and more.
And this is just Cinemaphile related IPs. There's much more with you include Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile IPs.
>Megamind
Whoops, forgot that one was in 2010
frick you and your post homosexual
It's not my fualt i got trips. But it is welcoming.
I just assume it's mostly because animators now are older millennials with nostalgia for the time when they were in middle school
What is there to be nostalgic about in the 2010s? I honestly have no clue. Adventure Time and Regular Show?
Gravity Falls is 10 years old now, I guess.
Forgot about that, another good one. But outside of some cartoons and games I liked, I can't think of much.
Minecraft
MLP
Generator Rex
Splatoon
A time when movies weren’t so dominated by the MCU
Implying y2k aesthetic hasn’t been a thing years
Hell yeah boys
It's been here for like 5 years.
It's okay anon, I know you meant to specify it is beginning in the mainstream. Which is true.
YES IM IN TOO DEEP AND IM TRYING TO KEEP
UP ABOVE IN MY HEAD!
AFRAID OF GOING UNDER!
Nostalgia for the 2000s started the second 2008 hit.
Are 90s kids still relevant?
Why be nostalgic for the 00s? They were an ugly time to be alive.
Depends. Was pretty nice if you were an average teenager in America.
>golden age of the internet, right before it was ruined
>financial crisis didn't happen until the very end
>less social tensions because 9/11 made people focus on hating muslims instead
Not as good as the 90s but it wasn't that bad.
>beginning
homie that shit started soon after we entered the 2010s.
Awesome. Does this mean we're getting electronics with clear cases again. I missed that.
Why did it disappeared in the first place
They're expensive to make and not be shit
>beginning
I've been in 00s nostalgia mode before the 00s even ended.
i am 30 and i miss the frick out of the 2000's
It was a fricking chaotic period, less chaotic than ours, but still. Yet, I see that period (late 90s/early 00s) as one of the last great periods of fashion and aesthetic. We got some cool stuff in the late 00s and early 10s with the hipster fashion, but nothing cool or new has happened since 2012, even that period is no where near as aesthetically pleasing as the Y2K period
It had the bonkles after all
I had all these guys but pohatu and onuwa were my favorite
crawling in my skin
these wounds will not heal
00's were kino, PS2 and HUEGbox were peak gaming
>Beginning
Anon its been like this for the past 10 years now
People were having for nostalgia for early 2010s stuff by 2018
more accurately, its becoming more and more mainstream
Good. 80's/90's nostalgia overstayed its welcome for way too long.
I always welcome 80s/90s nostalgia no matter what time we're in. Shit was radical
I get what you mean, but it has also been milked and ruined by normies for a good while.
thats been happening since 2015
im glad tho since the y2k era was fricking great, the early internet and ps2/gc days was fricking amazing
i don't even dislike mark but everything i've seen about his show looks painfully fricking generic
Literally my mom's tom and jerry. This shit is generic and ugly. How many times will these cartoon creators reuse the "PLUCKY GUY TIRED butthole DUO" cliche
That's how it is with these cartoon reviewers. They think they can do something better, but then get exposed for being the same shit they criticize. Never give a boring ass homie who talks about cartoons a platform.
The culture from 20 years ago was fundamentally different from today's and being genuine about it without going down the preachy route wouldn't fly on current year TV.
Look at WW2 games: references to the third reich are scrubbed as much as possible, you have transgender black lesbian on the front line of the battlefield in fluorescent uniform in 1943. All they have to do is open a fricking history book to realize how detached from reality it is, but they don't care because our current era is scared shitless of "problematic" content.
Take Happy Days: a show meant to reflect the life style of the 1950s, but produced in the late 70s. Take Fonzie who's over 25 and still not married. In the 50s, people would give him weird looks only for that, and would really question the kids that hang with him.
TL;DR: they won't get the "social aspect" right. It's going to be a 2020 show with a "early 2000s" coat made entirely of pop culture references, so why set it in the 2000s when you're not going to use that time period anyway?
>It's going to be a 2020 show with a "early 2000s" coat made entirely of pop culture references, so why set it in the 2000s when you're not going to use that time period anyway?
I think you answered your own question.
>All they have to do is open a fricking history book
>book
Books are for autists.
>Take Happy Days: a show meant to reflect the life style of the 1950s, but produced in the late 70s. Take Fonzie who's over 25 and still not married. In the 50s, people would give him weird looks only for that, and would really question the kids that hang with him.
Fonzie isn't married because he's a fricking hood, they had plenty of those in the '50s and before. Besides, in the world of the show I don't think he's supposed to be that much older than Richie and the others.
You wrote it yourself, the show isn't actually set in the time period, the writers simply insert many callbacks to their own nostalgia while telling a story with the current day perspective.
>you have transgender black lesbian on the front line of the battlefield in fluorescent uniform in 1943.
literally where you melodramatic homosexual
>he doesn't know
nice troll
>He REALLY doesn't know.
I'm aware of this but I just see blacks not transgender lesbian blacks on the front line of the battlefield in fluorescent uniform in 1943
nice goalpost moving
that's not what they were asking anon
>struggles around social aspect of growing up.
LS Mark is an autist confirmed?
He makes reviews about kids cartoons, its a guarantee hes an autist
A worse version of Rocko's Modern Life I guess but not modern.
>___ & ___
Nice to see the level of creative being employed
>zoomerbros wasn't it great bein a kid in 2004 and shit?
In all seriousness it would be shit because as innocent as it sounds they'd somehow put 2022 trannies in 2002.
I really doubt he has any memories from before 2006
I don't follow twittergays he could be 40yo movieblob for all I know (though I guess bob would prefer the 80s).
He's a little baby boy.
23 years old I think.
he is 19-20, he was born in 2002
Half the pilot is already posted online, the writing sucks and I think once the full thing is posted it'll be one of those things that'll be forgotten in a week
Holy crap, it's written as if LS Mark just went with the first idea he had in regards to nearly everything that happened within the pilot; the characters' emotions, how the plot moves forward, the type of humor it employs, everything. It's bafflingly trite and hilariously mirrors the type of scriptwriting I would post on DeviantArt back when I was 13–14.
It's a cartoon for the sake of making a cartoon and nothing more.
>it's written as if LS Mark just went with the first idea he had
The funny thing is he's mentioned multiple times that he rewrote the script in 2021 so this is a completely revised version of the original pilot
Wait, seriously? I don't keep up with the guy, that's kind of hilarious. I mean, I get revising a pilot until it's good—I've been doing the same thing for some time now for a private project—but this guy's supposed to, I dunno, understand something of what it means to write a cartoon. Don't get me wrong, writing something good and memorable for a cartoon is dick harder than it looks and it's not terribly surprising he turns out to have a loose grasp on that, but to think that this wasn't his first shot at the task doesn't bode too well for the poor dude.
It's an opinion from just a meager anon, but if I were him I'd rewrite it again, scrapping the storyboards and all. It's not worth putting in further effort into a script like this.
>but if I were him I'd rewrite it again, scrapping the storyboards and all
I totally agree with that but it's kinda too late for that when animators are already working on animating the thing.
You're right anon, that slipped my mind when I typed that out! I guess Mark's just kinda boned now, kek
I mean, i liked if but the characters have no reason to he animals it seems, i feel like if you have animal cast they need to be doing some animal shit
sometimes aesthetics for the sake of it are fine. It's more visually stimulating than lame humans.
This stupid mentality is exactly why cartoons are so shit nowaday, stop doing shit for the “sake of doing it” because you like the aesthetic and are too lazy to come up with anything new, thats called fricking laziness
Human characters are only as boring as YOU make them and swapping the skins doesn’t make your shitty bland characters any less shitty and bland
It's not that a simple visual swap changes from bland to good but it's simply more pleasant to look at, while many shows instead compensate with super wacky ugly crap to make dem characters "unique"
Drawing animals with 100% human characteristics IS wacky and ugly crap for the sake of “uniqueness”, you cannot make unique or interesting human characters on your own so you’re using an easy cop out
I’m not saying you can’t make human-like animal characters but just give them some semblance of animals characteristics dammit!
Is it that fricking hard to study a Looney Tune or Tom and Jerry cartoon? Spongebob is RIGHT THERE! Hell even Regular Show got this right with Rigby’s running and eating animations and sleeping on a pile of junk
How in God’s name do you want to make cartoons but have zero commitment and respect to the craft to fricking study your Predecessors? “It’s not that easy-“ its not supposed to be easy b***h! You modern animators are just fricking lazy and wasting your God-given talents cause you think you know it all
Ok I was just annoyed that one MUST give animal traits to animal-looking characters. I just don't like that as a requirement
>Drawing animals with 100% human characteristics IS wacky and ugly crap for the sake of “uniqueness”
I can't see another furry movie after Zootopia. It raised the standard too high for adding furry characters.
>Zootopia
you mean the "DUDE WE'RE ANIMALS LMAO" movie? that's poison to the idea.
Can you name a good example, then?
>captcha HPVJ0Y
>Drawing animals with 100% human characteristics IS wacky and ugly crap for the sake of “uniqueness”, you cannot make unique or interesting human characters on your own so you’re using an easy cop out
I'm guessing you ain't a fan of Arthur, then.
Not necessarily, look at Regular Show. The only reason the characters aren't human is because it would've looked uninteresting.
Exactly. Look at how Close Enough ended up.
Mordecai and Rigby had animal characteristics and there were other types of species including humans to balance the show out , these two are just regular humans with filters on surrounded by other humans with animal filters on
"I hate this job" that's his big zinger for the end of that scene?
>his
That's a female. And I think the line is supposed to be funny, playing on the overworked/stressed employee trope, but it clearly just doesn't work because of Mark's poor writing.
>internet critic talks shit about other people's art/cartoons/movies on the regular
>tries to make something themselves
>ends up producing something just as lame as the stuff they shit on
Must be a curse.
Started with nostalgia critic shitting on films and thinking he and his crew can produce something better and then continue on with mrenter and his book turned cartoon that mrenter has yet to release more info on it
Identifying problems is very different than coming up with solutions
same happened with linkara. he critcized comics and lightbringer is everything he criticize comics about
It takes a certain set of eyes to notice the faults in how a building is made
It takes a certain set of hands to make a fault-proof building
i have faith in scott the woz, his skits have a lot of passion put into them
everything about this is so uninspired and boring. i don't even think mark's content is that bad, especially compared to other internet ""critics"", hell, i do genuinely enjoy some of his videos, but you can tell this project is a secondary interest to him and was made with "i can do it better" intent like the majority of critics instead of having an actual passion for an idea.
i'll give him this, visually whilst it's fricking boring it at least looks better than every other critic pilot/pitch that has been released so far.
it's probably going to be completely forgotten in a week, it's just so fricking uninteresting. even the character designs are boring as all hell with shitty colour palettes that lack any real contrast.
>It's bafflingly trite and hilariously mirrors the type of scriptwriting I would post on DeviantArt back when I was 13–14.
that's exactly what it felt like to me as well. the whole coat rack "gag" in particular felt like the kind of moronic unfunny shit i'd write into a script as a 12 year old because i thought it was somehow a good joke.
I mean it's pretty bang-on for what I'd expect a teenager/20 year old to come up with. It lacks perspective, vision, it has nothing substantive to say, and seems based on hyper specific personal experiences from the author's mundane life. If you want to creatively grow fast, read books, watch lots of films and standup, and go out and observe the world. This script is so fricking sheltered.
LSMark's reviews will never ever ever have any impact on anyone ever again, just like Daftpina's when this shithole pilot releases
hell his art was already a knock off of Butch Hartman's style with added beanmouth, why not rip off Butch's cartoons from the early 2000s entirely by actually being funny
He Thinks he could be the next Stephen Hillenburg
to this day, i cannot comprehend how someone can do butch's style and make it look worse than how it already is. This guy has an awful artstyle and every time i see his art twitter pull up another artist's character design they came up for him, it shocks me how he fricking destroys what little charm it has when he draws it
AnimatedJames had a worse style, honestly
I feel old
Same. 34 now and I already fell like this.
>weird and scary
More like fricking moronic.
The funny thing is you don't need all that much to do much of anything now, but in peoples heads doing a tv show is somehow more legit then doing a web cartoon, like wait a minute no one watches tv anymore yet people make that their aim, its very confusing to me.
You've fallen into the trap, anon. You think you know what's best and what's right, but you only have the fundamental values instilled in you during your formative years to dictate what that all means, and that's ultimately subjective. Every generation grows up like this, earning the ire of their predecessors and in turn, revolting and establishing what they think is right, only to see the generation ahead of them do the same to them, drawing that very same irk. Yet, even as most people eventually make this revelation, they choose to commit to their stance. Perhaps they're afraid to lose their identity embracing changes that they once thought utterly incomprehensible, or maybe just violently oppose changes that break or make worse what they once thought worked fine as is. It's an especially hard hole for late gen x and millennials to hop out of, because actual production quality for many shows, games, movies and the like, was pretty high during this time. But let's be real, you didn't truly appreciate it for that as a child. You didn't. You were a dumbass fricking child and you liked the funny cartoon. The reality is you were happier when you didn't have anything to compare your experiences to. You enjoyed them 100% for what they were, but as you get older you have more experiences, and you eventually just keep comparing and comparing, leveraging and judging them based on what you know, feel and expect.
And you chose to reject it. That's fine. Standards I guess, or some would call it taste and aggressively defend their stance as fact and call me a fricking homosexual, because otherwise I guess they'd have to question themselves. Those people might as well pull the trigger though, because locking yourself in that box will only make life progressively worse for you. You can't expect people who effectively grew up in a different world to give you what your inner child desires. Only those willing to adapt and compromise will live free.
This
This is why I come to this horrible website
For all it’s bullshit it’s the only place that has insight like this
Very cool anon!
Thanks a lot for making me question my way of life Eddy, you jackass.
>Only those willing to adapt and compromise will live free.
adapting and overcoming is based, but compromises are for cucks if you do it wrong
38. I started listening to Primus not too long ago (I knew the name, never bothered listening to any of it - but from what I've heard, I like it). Let the kid of a friend listen to it (she's like 16 or 17). She called it "old people music". Mfw I also listen to Al Bowlly, Helen Humes and Les Brown and never called it "old people music"...
Damn that hurts. I just realized that even the Simpsons reference is probably an old person thing now.
I listen to a lot of old early 90's (89-92) electronic/rave music and there are plenty of times I come across comments from people in their 50's being nostalgic for songs you'd never imagine a older person would think about.
It's because she is a teenager. I'm 23 and I listen to Al Bowlly, too. A lot of kids still listen to 80's music, and that decade ended about 33 years ago.
>implying 12-19 year olds aren't constantly listening to old music
Who do you think le wrong generation posts?
Same, 35 and I feel ancient overnight
>Fricking Tom and Jerry calarts
This overpass the entire concept of satire
How comes every cartoon reviewers whenever they tried to make a cartoon it's sucks monkey balls like with rebeltaxi loki mrneter growing around and now lsmark rob and clay
Also Daftpina
he's also busy trying to take other people down
Dude was good for a little bit until he took and nosedive and made his channel into all the worst things about twitter. A real shame honestly.
Daft's attempt at an "animated" pilot is the saddest of the whole lot.
Pan's pilot might be fricking cringe but at least his and Mr Enter's concepts were laughably bad
This is just 15 fricking boring minutes of absolutely nothing
Holy kek, you cannot make this shit up
Always hated this homosexual but I would have guessed he would put something mediocre out at best. This is just sad
More people should really adapt Les Kassos's way of making due with a fixed frame number instead of having this uncanny tweening shit.
Can this even be considered animation? Every scene has a single static perspective with characters gesturing. It's so dull it's almost like they want me to feel bored. How do you frick up this badly?
>It's so dull it's almost like they want me to feel bored.
just like his videos
Jesus christ
I just scrubbed through the video and every single scene looks exactly the same. The characters all look the same too, only colors tell them apart. I'm not familiar with this guy, what does he do
Taxi could maybe get something going if he got some people to help him with his awful, awful writing. His ideas aren't really the worst and his style is at least trying to be different.
creating something and criticizing something are two different skills. you can criticize things without being able to make them yourself. because creating things (in this example a cartoon) requires more than just writing knowledge, it needs planning skills, art skills, animation skills, character design skills, etc. there's a lot that goes into it that people don't account for. it's kind of like being a food critic but not knowing how to make gourmet. you know what makes food gourmet, but making it yourself? two different things.
Why do cartoons from shitubers always suck? Aren't these guys supposed to know about how the medium works?
instead of doing something and then criticizing stuff from the same media they do the contrary, therefore, they don't have the actual knowledge of said thing
Yeah, funny how that works.
I mean I'm pretty sure I've heard him rag on such a generic synopsis a hundred times. He'd also shit on these designs so idk.
When this shit bombs I'm gonna steal the character designs for myself
why would you want to? they fricking suck
Same question.
How long until he’s outed for something? He’s probably a c**t behind the scenes.
Sooner enough probably
He has a hatred for arin hanson and has ranted about him on a stream with oney's ex (who rebounded with ls mark) over how he spent thousands of dollars to make the grump office look like a weeb palace but then left years later or some shit. The dude's an autist and nothing more. Tried going on Veronica's streams and he's just there quiet with a straight face. He's boring in person as he is online
>wtf bros I thought nostalgia was for old peop-
Why cant these YouTubers be like SMG4 and just make the damn show
Usually YouTubers don't get grants from their government to do so.
They should probably try and get Canadian or Australian citizenship lol.
Piemations kinda does but he is an actual animator.
Mark isn't animating this and has to pay one.
the unironically cute face of the man that will usher online-indie animation into an exciting new era
he looks cuter than me, I'll give him that
Barely
he cute af ngl
He's a got a head flatter than Ben Affleck's
what does that even mean?
It means Mark's face is very flat.
C'mon anon, don't pick on him on things he can't control.
I agree about the cute, but I also envy the frick out of his Sonic collection. It is way better than mine.
He looks like the Butters I used to bully. Fricking baby-face looking homosexual.
he looks cute. looks gay as well, but gay men are cute.
Not surprising people that like him are homosexuals that want to frick baby faced basedboys
This art style kinda reminds me of those animated Mr. Bean videos that always return to my Youtube recommendations like a zombie bursting out of the grave.
Big Bean should be a maeme.
Are these honestly really that popular or are the viewcounts being inflated by bots? Every time I see these videos pop up in my recommended feed, they have like 43 million views yet I think I've heard maybe 3 people bring up the Mr. Bean franchise at all in the past decade or so. Is this show experiencing a second life by being in the same circle of youtube as those deranged kids videos that are made to farm as many clicks/autoplays from toddlers with tablets as possible?
100% just kids clicking on random videos
there's no serious reason to make youtube videos for adults when children are a captive audience
Bots were and most likely still are used to get this stuff trending so kids see it and click on it.
people still make jokes and talk about Mr.Bean
The only difference mr.bean is actually funny and entertaining
""SplashDash"" (LS Mark) has the most trite and uninformed takes on Sonic that I've ever seen.
Ever since I've seen that I've just been completely soured on the guy.
Doubtful that he can even come close to making a period cartoon set in the 2000's if his research for that channel is anything to go by.
SplashDash is LS Mark's friend bro wdym
why is every cartoon made by e-celebs or millennials in general center their stories about growing up mixed with anime references? get new material, dammit!
They’re about growing up because they still haven’t grown up yet
then why not use their childish mentality to write fantasy stories instead? seems lile everything must be relatable or down to earth to get to people meanwhile people rather go for anime or japanese videogames to disconnect from reality for a while, this is why isekais are a popular genre
Fantasy without life experience sucks as hard as everything else.
using LE to form you fantasy is not bad, whats bad is how it doesn't blend making the analogy falls flat making the fa tasy setting questionable. a great example is the sex change potion from high guardian spice
whoever made that read Don Quixote and it obviously struck a nerve
it's annoying, i wish they would at least do what the japs are doing and write new characters instead of just making themselves a self-insert and their friends as ocs.
Lsmark traced a sonic pose to use as his cartoon art
LS Mark literally doesn’t even do any of this himself outside of just the main two characters and that’s it
>struggle the social aspect of growing up
daring, aren't we?
someone should've told Mark you need to have grown up first
Reminder Mark cucked Oney
Reminder Oney dumped Veronica because she was an obvious leeching thot, and she couldn't handle getting dumped so of course she's dating someone who's not only superficially similar to Chris he's also much younger meaning he would be much easier to take advantage of if she starts hoeing around again
Oney needs to be give Mark a strong stable Irish male role model to follow by adopting him
i can't but laugh to the idea of an adult irish man adopting another adult irish man and having the time of their lives.
eating ice creams, throwing rocks to the poop river, screaming irish gibberish into mics.
Now that's a cartoon idea.
Oney'n'Me?
Can’t wait for the episode where Chris teaches Mark where to hide the used condoms!
anon, having someone's sloppy seconds isn't cucking nor is a chad move as much as you want to believe
This. She rebounded to mick and then rebounded to urick and then to mark. This b***h gets around and sleeps within the friend circle. Mark is like forrest gump; wants the girl after she's pushed him away to hoe around. Just gonna remind you guys that if she stops reviewing shit on twitter or stops csring about fairly odd parents and/or cartoons in general, it's because she broke up with him and moved to the next thing to leech off of
>She rebounded to mick and then rebounded to urick and then to mark
I feel bad for Urick honestly, he just wants to do his own thing and it seems like every other week he's hanging out with clout-chasing prostitutes
it's his looks mainly, he looks like a moody Asian twink with messy hair so that's gonna make your average moronic 20-something-year-old female wet
Plus since he's got clout from being associated with Oney he probably looks like an easy target
Where the frick do you guys get this "information?" Is it all just heresay? The only concrete facts I can see are that Veronica and Oney are no longer togther and that Mark and Veronica are now dating.
I feel like such a nitwit for caring about this stuff, but considering every LS Mark thread brings up this topic, I'd like to know if there's any source for these claims beyond intrusive speculation of ecelebs' lives.
Refer to
poorly
How long until the porn?
I want to frick that grey dog
lmao. That's actually a cat.
Sex with the gray cat!
NOOOOOO... still would.
But for real I thought it was a canid because of the snout curve looking kind of long from that perspective.
>gray cat
>brown mouse
>literally tom and jerry drawn in a rip off butch hartman style
I fricking hate this moron so much. Imagine lacking the creativity to do create decent looking characters? On top of that, he doesnt even design most of them. He hired someone to create characters for him and then he butchers them in his art style
wait until e621 get their hands on them
Youtube cartoon reviewers are never good cartoon creators themselves. It never works, I don't get why they keep trying. LSM specially, he has the kind of opinions and quirks of someone that would make a terrible cartoon. If he's really invested then I hope it works out, but it won't, just that thumbnail already looks like the most generic, boring shit imaginable.
On that note, how's Growing Around doing these days?
He's got over 100 scripts done. Any day now, anon. Any day now.
Permanently in development hell cause mrenter is incompetent as shit and writers and animators are leaving left and write and considering after the turning red 911 controversy no one wants to work with him anymore
>911 controversy
What the frick?
Mr. Enter said that Turning Red didn't mention 9/11.
That's it? Glad I don't watch that gay then.
Nah there's a scene where during Giant Panda Mom's rage somebody says, "did the yanks fund THAT in the 80s too?"
Is he gonna add a lgbtq rep considering the cartoon industry is woke as hell
I hope he makes the two male leads gay for each other.
sorry but grey cat flirts with a girl
wooops forgot to post the pilot preview
>mc gets drunk in the pilot
Wait is this supposed to be PG?
she's pretty cute honestly, the girl designs might be the only redeeming factor this pilot has
i've always absolutely fricking despised the thing Silver does for Hartman cartons with the hands AND HE DOES IT IN THIS CARTOON
look
fricking hell
Isn't this guy Hartman's biggest critic? Why is he copying his style?
Something something glass houses
I think it is more of a love and hate relationship
Yes and no. He hages butch but gladly paid him $200 to draw his oc after being rejected at a convention as a big "haha gotcha" moment and then got to interview him. I'm surprised you noticed this, but don't notice that his avatar is literally a timmy turner recolor
Quite ironically most of butch heartman critics are turning into butch heartman themselves
yeah, it happens often. this dude is a complete fricking hack though and i can't stand his videos. I don't understand how he even got big, but then i remember finding out who he was when it came out he was involved with that turkey tom shit. Dude got lucky he did a video on it. Guarantee you that if he had zilch to do with it, he wouldn't be relevant to this day
Same, Tom and pretty much all the other jpeg gays got lucky that they enough autistic gossip trivia and put out video at the right to have the drama fueled algorithym push their shit to everyone
Lsmark used to be a commentary youtuber
That was however until he made a moronic hitpiece on Quinton reviews on his political takes that got people including his fans angry at lsmark for said video
So lsmark later issue an apology to Quinton and removed the video and months later collaborated on a video together
That controversy was also the last straw for lsmark commentary career as he stepped making videos of that genre and instead focus more on cartoon video games and film reviews
he literally talks about how Butch Hartman was his main inspiration for a long time.
Could we pressure lsmark to make the gray cat a trans rp or else lsmark will be considered transphobic
There's already a lesbian couple in the pilot plot twist: they act like douches to the MCs basically making them the villains
Does anyone have that image that shows the concept sketch next to these final versions?
I dob't know why you want it, but here
Thank you. The reason I wanted them is because I remembered from an earlier thread that they actually looked a lot more appealing than the final versions and this does seem to be the case.
That’s because he doesn’t actually design his characters, he has another person do it and then butchers their sketches while taking the credit
Lesbians are so overused in cartoons now gimmie non binaries asexuals hell even bisexual people are underused in cartoons nowadays
Gimmie, dare I say it, heterosexuals.
nta but I still have a m/f couple in one of my stories and I'm getting afraid that people will hate them just because of that
Honestly, from what I have seen, heterosexual men and women usually find it easier to write lesbians as opposed to gay men or bisexual men. A lot of times when straight men try to write gay or bi men, it's a travesty like that shitty game Dream Daddy.
This probably explains why gay authors like Bret Easton Ellis tend to write gay characters the best
Idk, i get asking gay people for advice writing gay characters but at what point will i need them to just handle everything involving that character in specific? I'm not against the idea of adding diverse characters but the problem is I have a VERY specific perspective on sexuality, let alone the intricacies of a gay man's mind, or anyone who isn't a straight white male
As a bi guy, I genuinely think it's hard for a show, specifically when it's aimed for children to really get into the intricacies of adult characters who happen to be Gay, Bi, etc. Especially when talking about relationships. Most of these relationships from my personal experience start sexual then proceed to become romantic as opposed to the other way around half the time which is the polar opposite of straight relationships. And of course since you can't really cover sex in a kids show then those characters can tend to feel not as fleshed out and whatnot. I'd still recommend getting advice from those types of people then using your own experiences to write them out as well, balancing both perspectives for what you are aiming for in your story
I think at the end of the day most people forget that gay people aren't some monolith. There's many different gay individuals who won't act or look the same just because they are gay. One gay guy could be really flamboyant and sexual, another could be a gym bro whose shy. Gay people.... are people. A gay person having a crush isn't usually too different from a straight person having a crush. It's just different genders. I think wanting some perspective isn't a bad idea, but also remember that your characters are people first, then their identities.
This. So many people overthink this shit I swear.
T. Homo
You're talking to autists who barely understand people to begin with.
but anon what about muh anal sex AIDS spreaders????
Blame the LGBTWTFPWNBBQ movement that tries to set a standard for queers and be the face of everything not-straight.
gays are featured more in adult cartoons like venture bros, moral orel, and south park while lesbians are the more common kid cartoon representation
In fairness if it's in the 2000s, lesbians would be the only gay rep available.
Veronica's self insert on the left obviously
I'm pretty sure that's just furry Brit & Tiff.
Youtuber cartoonists stealing characters from previous existing properties where did I see this before
If he didn't add that fricking stupid sonic heroes ass gloss shine effect onto them they'd look less terrible
It's fine that can be easily twisted into typical tryhard closeted behavior
Porn when?
This looks like one of those #bettercartoon pitches.
>Predict how well this pilot would do
0.
Learn to draw and write you fricking talentless hacks. The only time when piss-poor designs are acceptable is when you give them stick figure fight tier animation and I sure as frick never ever see any fighting sequences with these Felix the Cat and UPA tier designs.
Japan is dancing on your heads and taking over animation. SHAME, AMERICA, SMAMEEEFURRR DISPRAY.
You don't even need to animate shit much at all. All you need is hot waifu coomer bait girls, and you can just fade pose to pose, and people will look at you like the second coming of jesus.
you don't even need to do that, you can just draw them and people will flock to them if they look appealing enough to be a FOTM, and basically build your empire for you, guaranteeing interest in any of your future projects
> a story about all the lives of Animation employees amount to, besides making crudely drawn content for children they constantly try to stuff with perverted additions
Let's ship them to War torn Africa, they will finally graduate from struggling to grow up under the adversity
Ok, but let's ship you first
Gets picked up for two seasons bombs gets the rest of the episodes dumped unannounced
satan has decided. it's actually over
I predict that there will be 1 season but doesn't gain enough interest it should
People said the same about Tokimeki Memorial for a long time. Somebody will figure it out.
What do you do for 2000s nostalgia? No smartphone jokes?
god this guy is so annoying. i wish i could enjoy more of his good animations without having to hear his dumbass voice
His Touhou one is voiceless and one of his best done works.
This guy cucked Oney
getting sloppy seconds isn't cucking, it's getting sloppy seconds
this is beta cuck coping for getting sloppy seconds
>nostalgiabait cartoon about an era the creator probably only has the faintest memories of, if any at all
gonna fail
he has none, he was born in 2002, he was literally crapping himself during that time period while I was watchign finding nemo and lilo and stitch
Can't be worse than DaftPina's....whatever the frick this is...
It's so boring lmao. It feels like its going for an improvisational feel without understanding why improv works lmao.
Kek, I also forgot Mark is in this one too.
I love Internet Critic productions because 9 times out of 10, it's an absolute abomination. Sometimes it's an entertaining abomination like pic related, but its mostly not
Also that animation sucks monkey butt
Somehow they made animation more stilted than family guy and its subsequent clones
It’s so baffling to me it’s just two characters sitting down talking with really poor lip sync. The designs are garbage and look like pre-school doodles, and the jokes are horrible. It’s pretty good for curing my insomnia tho so there’s that
Also, just because the characters are just sitting down and talking doesn’t mean it has to be this stilted. Don’t believe me? Watch Ricky Gervais Show
Based ricky gervais. It's so expressive even though it's essentially just character rigs animated in flash.
Yeah. It’s funny the shows style was very influenced by 1950s Hannah Barbera. Like HB tho, Ricky Gervais made for its limitations by having fun and expressive animations and really appealing HB-inspired designs
When is this sexy cutie going to make his own cartoon? Huh huh?!
He doesn't seem like a cartoon guy, just a guy who laughs at lolcows
He used to be a cartoon reviewer but was chased off over his mrenter rant years ago oh how the times have change
Have they changed? Mr Enter still makes garbage videos, I just wish people pile up on him again
Back then in 2018 people unironically thought mrenter was going to change for the better instead of his own raging at newer spongebob old ways
Flash forward to 4 years mrneter because an antivaxxer and antimasker conspiracy nut jumped on the anti sjw wagon 4 years too late have yet to deliver on his growing around promise and now known as thay 911 not in turning red guy
wtf, how do you get chased off by mr enter of all people
to be fair turkeytom insinuated mrenter is a pedo with zero proof
the dude is highly autistic and dumb but that was way too far
Ironic now considering Turkey tom can make a call out video on mrenter and his autistic stuff he did over the years after his short lived beef with him that could be a good documentary to make on
YTPMV visuals
Who's this semen demon?
That's turkey tom bro
He’s actually really cute. My dream is to put him in a skirt and frick him
Bro
What?
Your dream is to frick a cartoon avatar that probably looks nothing like the actual person who drew it, gay
His style is so painfully generic.
Seriously. If he’s going for that angular and flat Y2K UPA-inspired style, then make it look interesting like just like the actual cartoons from that era.
That’s because he’s taking way too much inspiration from Butch Hartman’s bland style
https://www.toonboom.com/character-rigs-and-an-upcoming-coming-of-age-comedy-in-rob-clay
>How would you describe the art style?
>Mark: The art style takes influence from the UPA aesthetic, in terms of backgrounds and background characters. With the main characters being heavily influenced by Butch Hartman, but more rounded and softer looking.
You really can't make this shit up.
He doesn't even hide it, he's drawn FOP characters plenty of times on his art account and even made animals variants of Timmy and Butch
You know for a guy who seems to "hate" butch hartman,
he seems to draw alot of fan art of him
i think mark's said it before but he doesn't really hate butch. he still respects him for having created a lot of his favourite shows and his impact on the industry, but is disappointed in how butch acts today. he just plays up the act of hating him a lot.
Make sense if he didn't play up the hartman hate he will get call out as a hartman apologist and get shat on by the cartoon community who are really pro LGBTQ
>Mark: The art style takes influence from the UPA aesthetic, in terms of backgrounds and background characters. With the main characters being heavily influenced by Butch Hartman, but more rounded and softer looking.
This is the main reason why the art made by most cartoon fans these days look so soulless and often blend in with each other. Instead of taking inspiration from multiple different styles and mediums they will just copy the style of one or two cartoons and call it a day. Mark says that his art takes influence from UPA yet only looks at Butch Hartman cartoons and poorly copies it instead of studying the vast amount of UPA shorts and UPA inspired cartoons to find what aspects of those things appeal to him and use those techniques to build toward his own unique style.
It's like butch's style, but it somehow manages to be even more plastic and soulless looking. Truly impressive.
I find it really funny how people that build themselves online, jump shit really fricking hard to make a tv show, and his videos are passable at best, so I really don't see what his deal is here, or what his draw is. Maybe he thinks he can make it big? Seems like a waste of time to me, better get some friend and release some show online then deal with all of this nonsense.
I guess these reviewers are passionate about consooming art instead of creating it, and they kinda mix the two because of ego
Makes sense, though it just opens so much problems for them, cause the screenshot looks really generic, and the premise is blah, so idk what is going though his head, would be funny to see him responding to videos of people calling the show shitty.
Prepare the popcorn folks, it'll be a great time watching the mess.
Mark has a ton of industry connections now due to friends and traveling, he managed to get a team together with animation experience that can actually accomplish finishing this.
He has a vast audience thanks to his 5 to 7 hour videos reviewing every episode of certain cartoon seasons, so it'll have eyes on it at least. If it'll actually be any good? Guess we'll have to see.
He should have spent those hours writing better scripts for his show than doing meme reviews
They are in positive feedback loop, getting money, praise and attention by making reviews. Meanwhile artists are actually creating art
I would pinch his clit and suck his dick
What gets me is that they are furriers, okay man is that all you could come up with, the premise too, like cmon people talk endlessly nowadays including me about how things need to be more creative and more free, and this looks like a job opening for a random children's picture book.
Crash and fail and lsmark will leave the animantion sector and focus on game review from now kinda like what rebeltaxi did
I hate this so much, all of the characters look like Sonic OCs mixed with Tuff Puppy background characters with none of the coom appeal.
Also Mark is an unironic zoomer, sometimes I get shat on for being young, but he's a couple of years younger than me. Ironically for a cartoon set in the early 2000s, Mark was either not born or a fricking baby at the time.
I hope this befalls the critic curse, and bombs, making Mark a lolcow if he isn't already.
His girlfriend is too hot for him to be a lolcow. Most are either virgins or are dating landwhales
Veronica is a 6/10 at best. I wouldn't say hot. If anything, he has a chance to be a lolcow. It doesn't matter if you're attractive or not, but this dude is as interesting as a wet carrot that it has a bigger chance of not happening. He did flip out when people didn't like his review though
veronica is a lolcow for dating a zoomer teen 10 years younger than her and flying around california with him to go meet internet lolcows who made cartoons for zoomers like him
She legit looks like his mom in this pic lmao
she already looks like a 40 year old woman trying too hard to convince herself she's still young
How long do you expect she's gets outted for something horrible lile abuse or grooming
100%. I think she groomed mark or something. VERY strange to be in chris's shoes right now knowing your ex gf is fricking basically a child obsessed with sonic and butch hartman. how old is she? wiki says 26 but that can't still be accurate. she's sagging like a mf and wears three layers of makeup. legit looks late 30s if i had to guess.
>oney becomes a lets player
>stamper gets addicted to hard drugs
>egoraptor becomes a corporate lets player
>jontron discovered /misc/ and tried to spread their ideas
>oney's gf left him for a series of dudes, moving all the way to an autistic teen
>psychicpebbles got his own show and is doing well with it, but there's so much overlap between the jokes on the show and jokes from his lets plays with oney that it's obvious his schtick is limited
So weird to have followed these creators for the past fourteen years.
>jontron discovered /misc/ and tried to spread their ideas
Honestly kind of shocking how well he recovered from that, at the time I legitimately thought he was done. Certainly didn't expect him to still get sponsors and pull in millions of views with 5 or so videos a year.
He immediately admitted to being an imbecile and keeps his opinions more private now, although he did have a bit of an episode over the election.
There was nothing to recover from. Being based helped him.
I don't think Jon even believed in what he was saying.
Jon is one of those dopes who gets his info from Right Wing Twitter and /misc/. He’s probably also one of those mongoloids who supported not for any of his positions but to “trigger da Libs”
He wasn’t wrong, just a moron in the way he explained himself.
I disagree with his opinions.
Now everyone reply to me.
he definitely did, he's not a fricking child
"Jontron" is a character, Jon Jafari is the person, and Jon Jafari legitimately believes /misc/homosexual shit.
Majority of his fans never saw the debate, since it was kinda long and boring for most fans. They just saw the response video and assumed he just made some off color jokes in there.
>Honestly kind of shocking how well he recovered from that,
It's not shocking at all. He conveyed controversial information poorly on a livestream, corrected himself on the details, and moved on. The internet forgives and forgets pretty easily as long as you're not an autist constantly starting serious drama or as long as you didn't hurt/solicit a child or animal.
literally this. nothing he said was wrong, he just portrayed it poorly. The accusations that came after were pretty baseless and to be quite honest i don't think most people even cared to begin with
No a lot of what he said was wrong and based on /misc/ memes
i don't remember asking but thanks for your input
>passive aggressive seething
reddit is that way
he literally cited a fake infograph that /misc/ made
chinese companies dont care who they do business with as long as they can still make money
Don't forget about that animantor girl who later became a hardcore card carrying neo nazi which is ironic cause she's latina
Who?
Emily Youcis. Her little card stunt even made the news like six years ago.
That was a thing where I initially learned about it and thought, "That's a surprise," but thought on it another minute and realized, "No, it's not at all."
Did she had any signs of she becoming a nazi before 2016
No, but she's always been very obviously mentally unstable so turning into an alt-right prostitute wasn't exactly an unbelievable twist in her life's story. For want of a nail, she would have trooned out instead.
There’s no way she’s Hispanic. That b***h is just a white Philly thot trash. It was pretty fun going through her Kiwifarms account where it was revealed she used to be a humongous bawd, and even tried to frick some of the NG guys, and THEN, one Kiwi went through the Pennsylvania sex offender records and he managed to find a man with the last time Youcis who is believed to be her father, their eyes even look similar. This didn’t come as shock tho, if you watch her Alfred Alger animations, it’s obvious she was abused as a child
That's the b***h who crashed MAGFest 2016, right?
It wouldn't have been GOOD without her, but it wouldn't have been as insufferable.
Yeah, she kept whispering into Sandra Rivas' ear every 10 minutes I think.
I wonder what she was whispering
poor sandra. i would have punched emily so she wouldn't bother her.. she's too adorable
Sandra became a typical backstabbing California animator stuck in dead end jobs, don't feel too bad
I don’t care what anyone says, that panel was fricking hilarious
>Mick is completely shitfaced through out the entire panel, and everyone is a bit buzzed
>Mick spills Whiskey all over the table by throwing a water bottle
>Mick’s drunkenness gets worse as the panel goes on
>It’s revealed on OneyPlays he took a piss on the sink in behind the panel
>TopSpinTheFuzzy begins to get really irritated at his shenanigans and behavior
>Chris tries to calm Mick, Mick then starts acting gay towards Chris rubbing himself on him, and complementing his smell
>Chris calls out Emily Youcis as a joke then she (possible drunk too) runs and crashes the panel
>Begins interjection between very fricking answer the panel members give
>Some of her answers are completely insane and weird
>Some kid asks a question and she screams, “Hey man you look like Spencer Rice!”
>Another (a small young Asian kid) asks how to make a cartoon, she suggests making one about his mom getting raped
>Mick soon morphs from “Happy Goofy Drunk” to “Mean Wife Beating Drunk”
>Stars to yell at Emily and insult her drunkenly , which is pretty funny
>He even smacks her hand at one point
>Starts to get aggressive with the guests
>Gets aggressive with Jake Gantz, like he want to fight
>Even Sandra has to tell Jim fricking stop
>A coomer asks how much money he can make doing porn. Emily and Mick call for Cory Spazkid to come on the stage
>Emily starts flirting with Mick and begind hawking her Patreon, Mick tells her yo frick off
>A severely autistic man walk up and goes and on about Star Vs and begins to promote some shitty Internet Critic and gets yelled at by another person to shut frick up
It is such a beautiful train wreck
This greentext made me wanna watch it again.
Its so beautiful it inspired a shanty
>A severely autistic man walk up and goes and on about Star Vs and begins to promote some shitty Internet Critic and gets yelled at by another person to shut frick up
Best moment by far, his voice is so stereotypically goofy
As funny as it was, this honestly made me hate Mick for a while. He is a cool guy and all but something about seeing a 40+ year old man acting like this at what's basically a cartoon panel attached to a video game convention makes it really sad
Hitler wasn't a white supremacist and he never said anything about latinos
Ok.
isn't there a rumor that she was the really shitty roommate the Sleepycabin crew had who stole Stamper's cat and got their house infested with moths
No way
I refuse the Sleepy boys where crazy enough to let that crazy c**t live with them, specially when you keep in mind the Kiwifarms Emily Youcis thread. On that thread it is mentioned by someone who knew Emily before she went full 1488, that she had a habit of flirting with a lot of the guys and kept trying to frick the guys from NG at PicoDay.
Makes sense when watching the MagFest 2016 panel. In the panel Emily wraps her arms around a drunken Mick and begins kissing him. Then in of his drunken rages, he tells her, “Emily I don’t wanna frick you!” And then Chris hilarious yells, “Hey!” Trying to get Mick to come down
Also in her teenage online diaries Emily goes on and on about wanting to get fricked by multiple guys and with a hard rock wiener. Makes sense too, when you keep in mind her sexual abuse
please i can only get so erect
Well…there is that one video of her running around naked in the woods. Love your children anons and don’t let any sickos touch them, unless you want an Emily Youcis on your hands
I mean Stamper was a part of the sleepy crew at the time, in fact part of the rumor comes from the fact that supposedly he was dating Emily at the time (i could be wrong on this), they also lived in what was apparently once an art museum renovated into living quarters; Corey's room had glass shards on the ceiling that would occasionally fall down and nearly cut people
Kek, Corey was living like an animal. And I actually picture the schizo that is Stamper dating that maniac Emily Youcis. I heard once that during a Sleepy Cabon stream Emily’s name got mentioned to which Jeff replied, “We shouldn’t talk about her.”
no, the rumor is that was stamper's girlfriend joy.
Emily youcis? Or is there another animator who went down that same specific path?
Nevermind. Read further into the thread and saw that someone else answered that question.
i wouldn't say she left oney, moreso he dumped her and she rebounded through his friends to cause drama and then settled for a guy who looks like her ex, but younger. She's talked about being an alcoholic and it affecting her, so i assume that had a lot to probably do with chris dumping her. I remember her posting a very cryptic instagram story a while back (around the time she and chris got back together a second time and then were distant again 2 or 3 months later) where she just smokes a cig and says in a mocking voice "You're being difficult veronica, you're being difficult" and then taking a hit after. She's clearly the one who got kicked and has coped ever since. Give it time, both her and maybe LS Mark will get some kind of thread on kiwifarms or lolcow
>where she just smokes a cig and says in a mocking voice "You're being difficult veronica, you're being difficult" and then taking a hit after.
that sounds incredibly pathetic
the only people in this green text that are failures are Arin and Stamper
everyone else is doing fine, Oney's even making a game and is getting a pianist certification
>pianist certification
Why the frick would you want that?
He's livin the dream
Kek
Butch and Veronica look like Mark's parents
Don't worry his woke fandom will eat him up for saying something controversial about the lgbt community or a random "problematic" opinion
Honestly it always impresses me how much $ you can get if you focus on the coom bait designs and make those the center.
Sex sells, it's that simple.
Yeah, but there is so few western youtube animations that take any advantage of it. I mean look at helluvaboss, people went bonkers for loona. You'd think we see more of those kinds of animations by now...
The problem isn't a lack of coomers but a lack of creativity with coomers in tow.
Most coomershit is explicitly for the purpose of coom, rather than a springboard from which to have coom generated. We need coomer artists working on and designing for non-coomer projects.
Also mark is moderately attractive unlike actual lolcows
>no coom appeal
I guess I have low standared then, because I kinda like some of his characters
porn when
That's just a Kitty Katswell/Bagi fusion in a minidress
And that's a good thing
wew, good art
>all of the characters look like Sonic OCs
Sonicgays like mark can't conceal their power level at all. What did you expect?
>in the early 2000s
>early 2000s
>when i was 8-10
>20 years ago
It only gets faster, and worse, from here on out, anon.
We were supposed to predict how well this pilot would do.
It won't go so well.
The outlines may be thick but the artstyle is still post-steven universe late 2010s.
Kinda funny how a guy who reviews cartoons for a living can't even write a decent one himself.
That's cartoon reviewers to you
Many such cases!
The great nip Hayoa Miyazaki said it best, modern creators are shit because they are coddled and have no real life expereinces to base their stories, they just try to "emulate" other works and hope no one notices
Yup. A lot of these creators do so many fricking references and all these other things that it's blatant. SU and OK KO have it. LS Mark seems to be a sheltered kid in all honesty.
It was almost embarassing how many references OK KO made to other shit.
Yup, odd1out is another good example. Dude was barely turning 20 when he blew up. Literally the sum of all his life experiences is growing a boring midwest suburb and working at subway for like a year. He still milks those stories because hes never had to truly work at anything and can only talk about meeting other autisticly rich 20 somethings doing the same sameshit. he basically won a fame lottery.
>Takes place in the early 2000s
MARK YOU FRICKING homosexual YOU WERE BORN IN 2002
YOU WERE A TODDLER FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE 2000s
YOU WERE BARELY 7 WHEN IT ENDED YOU ZOOMIE homosexual
he'll probably just watch cartoons from the 2000s and rip them off into his cartoon. Like
said, this dude ain't got nothing to talk about because he has not experienced that time. I was 4 when the 2000s came and i vividly remember everything from there on.
#early00sKids
What the frick is wrong with people like this?
That's not a very convincing "early 2000s"...
It will either be a big hit or fail miserably. No in-between.
These israelitetuber cartoons rarely see past a pilot or animatic, no doubt that this will succumb to the same fate
Do hope rebeltaxi's succeeds, unironically seems neat
>toon boom actually proud to advertise this garbage
wow, animation just keeps hitting new lows each time I come here.
Back in my day period pieces took place in the 80s and 90s!
Uphill both ways!
In fifteen feet of snow!
Your post made me laugh loudy.
I hate this mother fricker and having him pop up in recommendations because I like cartoons. Actual comedy black hole.
You are correct
I dislike the "hey guys look at us we're just a couple of silly guys" variety of youtuber, very few can pull it off well. You are not special.
Thought i was only one seeing this but yeah its everywhere no matter where you look at now. There was less of this years ago, guess things have changed since.
They been infestation since 2018
To add, I was referring to the youtubers, not you, when I said "you" are not special.
Sorry if it came off like I was irked at you.
No worries. I assumed you were talking about youtubers anyways
people talk about many people being a scandal waiting to happen but I give this dude two, maybe three years before he's a pariah. and I think it's gonna be due to him defending one of his friends for doing some horrible. just a hunch.
ROB! ROB! TURN ON THE TV!
THEY'VE HIT THE FRICKING PENTAGON
The description tells me absolutely nothing, is a fitting description of several shows over the past 2 decades, and I initially thought it was a commentary like scrimblobimblo but I guess it’s a genuine ip coming out?
Generic comedy cartoon but with hartman style animantion and token lesbians totally original trust me guys
>mark is younger than me
ugghhh
I don't respect anyone who thinks Sonic Heroes is good
Ironic how his characters look like they come from Butch Hartman, when he openly critisizes him in several videos on his channel.
>nostalgia baiting cartoon about growing up
For frick's sake, is this the only thing autistic cartoon reviewers know how to do?
It's literally the easiest thing in the world to write about because its literally the only thing in the world that literally every single person has experience with.
I like your videos mark, but this aint it
Most people grew up with boring as frick childhoods and young adult years. There's a reason memes have to be weird or absurd because the frickers making them need an escape from mundanity
The funny thing about this is that these pitches about "learning to grow up" is made by people who have yet to grow up. Nobody who makes videos about Sonic and bland Butch Hartman shows actually knows anything about maturing.
Out of all the angular 2000s styles to choose from, why the hell did he choose Hartman's? And not even inspired, just a bland copy. There are so many better options from that decade to learn from.
Seriously, there were so many unique takes on that angular UPA style, my favorite is Jamie Hewlett’s take on it.
Hartman’s is so devoid of SOUL
why is so many people into Hartman's style? these fricking reviewers have the shittiest of tastes, pan is the only one that actually has a cool aesthetic but ruins it with his ugly tumblr designs. I fricking despise these reviewers, having influences like Genddy or even McCracken they choose to bosses over the shittiest, most stiff and corporate of art styles
>ugly tumble designs
I enjoy his designs. They remind me of invader zim.
>why is so many people into Hartman's style?
Because it's very simple to do, I seriously think just about anyone could do it with enough time to spare. It's so simplistic that you can use MSpaint's line, curve line and circle tool for it. You don't need to know line weight because it's just "thin on the inside thick on the outside" with the same consistency, you don't need to know posing because you can just draw a character with that dumb "arms down, hand sticking out" pose and it'll be fine, and you don't need to give any volume or depth to your characters because everyone intentionally looks completely flat. It's the ultimate entry level art style for cartoon artists but I wish they'd choose something that actually looked cool like what you said, Craig or Genndy or something.
that fricking sucks. I wish there were more cartoon reviewers that appreciated the medium, they don't give a shit about animation besides the crap they watched as kids.
Because it’s simply easy as frick to draw in Hartman’s style, it’s what makes it so bland. Look at the example I posted from Jaime Hewlett
it’s angular, stylized, but not totally flat. This is because you can see wraparounds, form,
and a good understanding of anatomy, Hewlett simply takes this anatomy and design and exaggerates it. You can see the angular helmet actually wrap around Noodle’s head and her mouth isn’t a simple straight line design, if you look closely you can see it also wraps around her face.
Tl;dr: the UPA/Y2K style is not as simple as it looks and it can actually be a b***h to get right and to make it look appealing, or you can just the low ugly effort shit Hartman does
like LS Mark and Animated James did
you get to produce an animated show and this is your premise? you could make it live-action and it wouldn't matter, if you desperately want your shitty furry ocs in it just make it comic. No wonder Japan is beating our ass at animation, they actually treat the medium as a form of art.
>No wonder Japan is beating our ass at animation, they actually treat the medium as a form of art.
and yet you weebs continue to do nothing about it. Not that I disagree, or that I'm defending this shitpile, but for fricks sake, if you care that much about the state of Western Animation, either make your own cartoon, or frick off back to Cinemaphile and stay there.
what are we supposed to do about it? the medium is utterly corrupt, even if by some miracle some of us managed to make something it would just die as a pilot with less than 1k views because westerners aren't interested in real art, they just want lesbian shipping and crappy ''kiddy'' cartoons that are ''wholesome'' because they are still mentally 12yo. All the westerners interested in animation as a form of art are going to try their best to make it into the anime industry, not bootlick their israeli overlords to get a chance to work on a calarts abomination.
>All the westerners interested in animation as a form of art are going to try their best to make it into the anime industry
Either that or video games.
>All the westerners interested in animation as a form of art are going to try their best to make it into the anime industry
Then just do that then and stop fricking whining. Have fun getting overworked with your shitty wages
>Then just do that then and stop fricking whining. Have fun getting overworked with your shitty wages
why so mad at facts? America hasn't made a single good thing besides Primal in decades
>America hasn't made a single good thing besides Primal in decades
Be the change you want to see
>Be the change you want to see
it took genddy over 10 years of working with fricking adam sandler on a shitty kids movie to get enough funding (and contacts) to get his passion project going, you think making animation in America is easy? in Japan you can turn an indie passion project made in ms paint into a million-dollar franchise because they value creativity and effort over your politics and how good you suck dick
>America hasn't made a single good thing besides Primal in decades
i hope youre just talking about shows with pretty animation
Primal is a work of art, it's incomparable to stuff like amphibian or owl house that are just kiddie adventure shows with some basic lore. Arcane is good too but it's based on a videogame and most people that watched it did it only because of that.
is primal really the only good animated show you've ever watched?
>"You aren't allowed to complain that this food is bad unless you make it yourself!"
>"You aren't allowed to complain that this chair is shoddily built and unstable unless you build a chair yourself!"
>"You aren't allowed to complain about how glitchy this game is unless you make one yourself!"
you're a fricking idiot
Cartoons are a product and are made to be viewed by viewers, the end-user. This stupid mentality of "you need to be a chef to complain about food" is exactly why the american (particularly californian) animation scene produces so much constant shit while getting defensive when anyone tries to critique it. This is why most shows die out after two ever-shortened "seasons".
And these shitty US cartoons are going to remain shitty because nobody chooses to do anything about it but sit and complain about it on Cinemaphile
>nobody chooses to do anything about it but sit and complain about it on Cinemaphile
the industry is overrun by hacks and people that want to push an agenda, also a bunch of talentless artists. It's not worth fighting a lose battle, it's better to use your time to try to get into an industry that actually values artistic skills over your skin tone or who you decide to frick.
>it's better to use your time to try to get into an industry that actually values artistic skills over your skin tone or who you decide to frick.
or to spend your time b***hing on a board dedicated to those shitty western cartoons
it's a discussion board, unlike you i don't come here to talk about how much I want to frick cartoon girls. Primal S2 is airing so I am visiting.
>it would just die as a pilot with less than 1k views because westerners aren't interested in real art
Just turn your cartoon into a video game
>westerners aren't interested in real art
Stop lumping in the rest of us Westerners with America you fricking weebtard and look at some foreign films outside of Japan and America
yeah those foreign animated films that always bankrupt the studio and lose the Oscars to crappy Disney films. Westerners don't care about art, they just care about consuming the latest big franchise
The Oscars and Disney are American, argument discarded
that just proves my point, moron. nobody cares about those foreign films, anything that's not Disney does like shit at the box office, even non American productions like that viking show are trying to appeal to western sensibilities by adding a Black person to the cast
You mean nobody in AMERICA cares about those films, how America receives those films is not of my concern
nobody gives a shit, otherwise, they would be on the same level as anime, but they are not. Only animation autists even know about movies like muthafrickas or wolfwalkers and they barely even get recognition here because they don't have gay shipping and aren't made by disney.
Wolfwalkers was kneecapped from the start being an appletv exclusive, if it came out on Netflix or literally any other streaming service it'd probably done a lot better.
>Stop lumping in the rest of us Westerners with America
The internet is an American invention and inherently, predominantly anglocentric. The vast majority of non-Americans who use the system either have to put up with newsfeeds of shit that's irrelevant to them, overcome themselves and love Big Brother, or form increasingly insular communities dedicated to preserving their own culture
> they actually treat the medium as a form of art
idk, i have rarely been impressed by an anime as far as real substance goes
you need to look outside of the generic isekai shit then, there is so much anime and manga it's basically impossible you can't find any you love. My mom loves Yuru Camp, and my dad loved Cowboy bebop. I recommend you to watch Satoshi Kon's movies if you aren't into the generic kawaii uguu anime.
>Yuru Camp
homie come on
>Cowboy bebop
as overrated as it is, its one of those rare animes that felt like a real passion project
>homie come on
hey, my mom likes comfy shows and anime has one that I can actually watch with the family, it actually helped her relax a lot after work.
>as overrated as it is, its one of those rare animes that felt like a real passion project
there are a bunch of those, cowboy bebop just happens to be one of the best.
>is primal really the only good animated show you've ever watched?
no, but it's one of the best and honestly, there isn't much to choose from. Feel free to rec me stuff if you want.
>there are a bunch of those
there are like 4 in total kek
>Feel free to rec me stuff if you want.
venture bros, prime simpsons, harvey birdman, moral orel, the critic, athf, metalocalypse, archer, home movies, and capeshit kino if you're into that
>there are like 4 in total kek
you have to be kidding me, you need to lurk moar
also, most of the stuff you recced minus orel is just of comedies. Are you really comparing athf, which is just a bunch of pngs, to fricking Primal? seriously Americans need to learn how to treat animation with respect, and I like those shows but they are nowhere near the quality of even the most generic of shonen shit like Demon Slayer.
how is being a comedy a bad thing? the shows have great writing and some have decent or great animation too
>they are nowhere near the quality of even the most generic of shonen shit like Demon Slayer
do you not see a show past its animation
>how is being a comedy a bad thing? the shows have great writing and some have decent or great animation too
it just proves that westerners don't see animation as art it's just way cheaper to produce than live action, also none of those has great animation minus the first seasons of The Simpsons
>do you not see a show past its animation
it's called animation for a reason, if you aren't going to respect the medium what's the point.
which shows have you actually watched from that list
>simpsons,orel, the critic,athf and metalpocalypse
you could have at least added comedies with good animation like bondooks or black dynamite
watch venture bros
nah, kinda tired of comedies give me an action show
honestly, I'd say actions are the second most overused genre in american animation after comedies. Give me a drama or horror instead.
>honestly, I'd say actions are the second most overused genre in american animation after comedies
maybe in the 80's and it was barely action
>drama
frick no, that's lame
>horror
wasn't there a very recent horror movie released for netflix? it had puppets I think
>frick no, that's lame
so, you believe animation should avoid dramas entirely just because you personally dislike it? didn't you say we should be taking animation more seriously earlier?
>wasn't there a very recent horror movie released for netflix? it had puppets I think
that's one example, and I don't even know which one you're talking about so obviously it's not very common
if it's not your style then fine, but you should at least know what it is before you generalize all cartoon shows as bad with shitty animation besides primal. for action like i said there's shows from DCAU
>but you should at least know what it is before you generalize all cartoon shows as bad with shitty animation besides primal.
dude you didn't provide a single show better than primal, you used fricking aqua teen as an example of good animation
>for action like i said there's shows from DCAU
no, thanks. I don't want to watch a trillion shows of varying quality that never go anywhere because the universe keeps resetting or whatever.
>you didn't provide a single show better than primal
venture bros is arguably the best cartoon show besides prime simpsons AND it's action adventure show but you still dismissed it as "just another comedy." like i said, cartoon shows, just like any show, are supposed to have good writing
>you used fricking aqua teen as an example of good animation
i used it as an example of a good show because it's a good show
Primal doesn't even need writing, it can hook you in with good direction and animation alone. It's an absolute work of art, not comparable to a comedy show.
>so, you believe animation should avoid dramas entirely just because you personally dislike it? didn't you say we should be taking animation more seriously earlier?
never said so, It's just that American writings drama is just south operas with gay characters, not really that interesting.
>that's one example, and I don't even know which one you're talking about so obviously it's not very common
The house, forgot the name. Nobody watches non disney animation so it got forgotten pretty quickly.
maybe they're not comparable, but at their core tv shows should have good writing, and if they don't, that's a major flaw, a flaw anime suffers from. if you can ignore bad writing, fine, but you can't go to Cinemaphile and flail your arms around about how animated tv shows suck because everything isn't like primal or shows prioritize substance over visuals. news flash, cartoons and anime are different mediums with different flaws that separate the crap from the good
>a flaw anime suffers from
you haven't watched enough anime to tell
>if you can ignore bad writing, fine, but you can't go to Cinemaphile and flail your arms around about how animated tv shows suck because everything isn't like primal or shows prioritize substance over visuals. news flash, cartoons and anime are different mediums with different flaws that separate the crap from the good
I prioritize animation as art rather than just a cheap way for comedians to create a show without having to hire actors and make sets. I am just pointing out how America treats animation like crap and just a cheaper medium than live action. Aqua teen might be the funniest show ever, it doesn't matter in this context, because it's not art, never intended to be either, which is my biggest problem with western animation. Japan also has crappy flash comedies but it doesn't limit the medium just to that.
there's only so much anime that's worth watching kek a lot of fans praise the most mediocre shit ever
>rather than just a cheap way for comedians to create a show without having to hire actors and make sets
you can say the same thing about these artsy shows just as a way to show of their work while having zero substance as actual shows and therefore are bad AS shows instead of art films. you're hard on athf for no reason, i used it as an example of an animated show with good writing but theres literally venture bros right there with good writing AND good animation, something anime just cannot fully accomplish in my eyes. and i assume others feel the same because we don't have this strange xenophilia towards japan despite their balls in your face obvious flaws with their writing
whatever man, it's useless to discuss with a westerner about animation, apparently if you don't spill the plot word for word and show instead of telling means your show has zero substance and it's just ''good animation''. No wonder why manga and anime are annihilating the western animation and comic industry.
I thought you said no one watches anything that wasn't made by Disney
i was talking about western animation, can't you read? thanks to westerners making pure crap like family guy and it's million clones no one takes it seriously like anime
anime getting that popular doesn't make it better lol even Cinemaphile gays acknowledge mainstream anime fricking sucks
doesn't matter, it's respected as a medium unlike western animation.
right, it being actually good or not doesnt matter, its about popularity. thats why you got bullied out of Cinemaphile so youre posting here
>right, it being actually good or not doesnt matter, its about popularity. thats why you got bullied out of Cinemaphile so youre posting here
but anime is good AND popular.
nah, anime made people respect animation in the 80's with Akira. Again, even my parents like anime and animation is only starting to grow out of its ''for children'' status thanks to anime.
>anime
>the capeshit of japan
>good
unlike in america Japan doesn't have a monopoly, anime is made by different studios not just your overlord Disney
Not that anon but, animation in general isn’t “respected”. Motherfrickers still believe anything animated is “for kids”.
>never said so
well, I just said "give me a drama" and you just said "frick no", I didn't say anything specific like "give me one where it ends with two lesbian protagonists falling in love"
>also none of those has great animation minus the first seasons of The Simpsons
Really? Personally I love Venture Bros.' art style, and Morel is no Kubo but it still has some impressive stop-motion animation for a TV production despite the simple puppets/sets
the point is, none of those are near the quality of Primal. I wouldn't call orel animation great, it's just very well directed.
>Personally I love Venture Bros.' art style
same. the character designs are great and the style pays homage very well to the old cartoons its inspiration comes from
I don't disagree with you there, but the funny thing is I only ever see normies making fun of it or parodying it. People who are passionate about the era made and still make some high quality stuff. Most of the best stuff made in the 00s for example were all homages of things from the 80s.
Maybe they're copying Butch Hartman a bit too much.
How would 2010s nostalgia look like in the 2030s and 2040s
minecraft? honestly, as a zoomer i don't remember anything from the 2010's, or at least anything that I partake in, it was the era where everything fun died. I don't know why Mark wants to make a show about 00's nostalgia bait, I am a year older than him and I can't remember shit from that time
I suppose something like how people look at old Zelda CDI/AOSTH/Hotel Mario/etc youtube poops nowadays, but with tiktok trends
>haha remember when we tore shit out of the school walls for our #deviouslicks? now those were the days, much better than all the deranged shit people do online now
Minecraft and Adventure Time are the first things that come to mind. Other cartoons like MLP:FiM, Regular Show, Gumball, maybe even SU despite the criticism of it. Angry Birds, TF2 before it got bad, Dark Souls, Skyirm, could list more but I got to run.
I think 2010s nostalgia is gonna be more centered around the early half because the second half was nothing but politics and cheap profitable addiction apps.
for me its more about mobas like lol, dota and e-sports and streamers. things I never got into because I am too autistic to play online and I hate streamers
Minecraft, Popular let's players/ youtubers at the time, FNAF, M* l*ttle p*ny G4, 2010s memes, angry birds and bad piggies, regular show, adventure time, tumblr aesthetics, no LGBT or race shit being forced into everything, club penguin and other mmos nearing death, cringe culture, anything else?
It's not even quite 2010s nostalgia time yet, and I'm already nostalgic, I miss the early 2010s before 2016. Every decade is getting worse, and I'm dreading going into the 2030s.
So who is voicing this character?
https://twitter.com/LSMark_/status/1551341828602884096
Tomar
LS mark is the only cartoon dude on yt i respect so i hope it goes well
wtf is the point of having a show be set in the early 00s when it isn't even set in reality? Turning Red at the very least chose a real location and was inspired by actual trends from the time. Its depressing just how uncreative so many people in this industry really are......