>M.O.D.O.K. has been played for a joke in the comics for years, and even turned into a Trump lookalike
>The MCU playing him for a joke becomes a massive point of contention that is still hotly debate over a year later
What's the deal?
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There's no debate. It's shit.
>and even turned into a Trump lookalike
This feels like something Marvel would only do 5 years too late. When did it happen?
2016?
Was thst MODOK or just some anal damaged insert because Trump broke their minds.
A Spider-Gwen book in 2016.
It wasn't a Trump look alike, it was literally Trump turning himself into a MODOK.
Jokes where bad.
I was more upset about them throwing Yellow Jacket away when I like the idea of him being an antagonist more than an underused alter ego.
wouldntve worked anyways since hank was too old to be antman
Same, I do like the idea of him becoming obsessed with Scott and wanting act like he was his grand arc-nemesis since that's actually rare in the MCU but it was played for laughs more than anything else
They already took a likeness of someone
>but [other unpopular, poorly received thing] happened!
Cope used to at least make sense.
Dont forget the tv show
M.O.D.O.K. is an ugly character with a shit design. Ridicule is natural.
>still hotly debate over a year later
Shill.
I'll never not be mad
He's written to be an ass and nothing more. He's there, then he gets beat up, then he has a change of heart and dies. MODOK should've been, from the beginning, planning to betray Kang, and he should've won, leaving the quantum universe and leaving the ant family stranded
Don't the comics suck too now? Why is that your point of comparison?
A complete lack of sincerity and respect for their own source material.
Anon, one of his latest appearances has him undergoing a fricked up process of regeneration.
In comics it's okay to switch between goofy and serious because of its neverending nature, but good first impressions are what counts in film adaptations. Odds are you'll never attempt that character again until the next reboot.
Because he looks like a damn Spy Kids Villain
This is from the same studio that made BILLIONS with their movies. Their parent company is a century-old company that was at the cutting edge of animation and CGI at multiple points throughout history.
>This is from the same studio that made BILLIONS with their movies.
How does this somehow preclude them from having a goofy villain look goofy? Or is the argument that they shouldn't have done MODOK at all?
When you don't pay CGI artists, the good ones won't work for you. "Love of the game" is for marks. So you end up with declining quality of CGI in what used to be blockbuster movies.
>everyone keeps making the same terrible joke
>it's terrible when someone new makes an even worse version of the same joke
It's a fricking mystery, OP. I don't think we'll ever understand.
The problem isn't him being a joke
The problem is that he looks like ass
watch the directors commentary for the scenes with modok. they actually thought it was amazing and that he should be laughed at an dmocked even when hes been abused, destroyed, driven mad by pym particles and then turned into a monster and slave by kang - it was all supposed to be laughed at. when he literally saves the entire universe from kang at the end and is dying, they are mocking him in the commentary. its actually one of the few emotional scenes and they are proud they treated him like shit and the ant family all shit on him the entire time when hes given his life up to save them and the universe from kang and tried to redeem himself in moment of clarity from pym particle madness.
theres actual arc for this character and they treat him like shit. the shit cgi for him hurts how modok should be, but look at why he went evil, what happened to him and how he redeemed himself - few characters in marvel movies go through any arcs emotionally and have growth or change. and realize its completely tone deaf writers/directors this accidentally happened to and the entire point was this is literally hitler character that should be lauhged at and mocked in their eyes.
thats who controls the direction of these characters and cultural zeitgeist. the pepole teaching morals to children. and realize its deliberate.
To be honest the "At least I died an Avenger" joke was funny as frick
>the ant family all shit on him the entire time when hes given his life up to save them
They don't, though.
autism is a difficult affliction. youll understand they were mocking him and rolling eyes and making fun of him at some point in time. just keep on your meds.
Not him but I can see his point. The joke is obviously on MODOK/Darren for being so delusional that he starts rambling about how they are also his family and he's glad that had an Avenger's death that just makes everyone around him baffled for numerous reasons, it's a extremly sudden developemt from their point of view, he still looks like giant face with baby limbs and for some it's even the first time they actually see him in the movie. But the characters themselves are more surprised than outright mocking him, Scott is weirded out but he's also worried about him and tells him that he's an Avenger while everybody else is not even saying anything. It's an awkward scene more than anything.
>watch the directors commentary for the scenes with modok. they actually thought it was amazing and that he should be laughed at an dmocked even when hes been abused, destroyed, driven mad by pym particles and then turned into a monster and slave by kang - it was all supposed to be laughed at. when he literally saves the entire universe from kang at the end and is dying, they are mocking him in the commentary. its actually one of the few emotional scenes and they are proud they treated him like shit...
Millenial writers are cynical hacks who think everything is a fricking joke and nothing really matters, in other news, water is wet.
Peyton Reed is an actual baby boomer
Jeff Loveness is a millenial for sure and even worked for Rick and Morty and wrote some comics.
>July 3, 1964 (age 59)
Technically correct but he might as well be from Gen x
I'm convinced executive/directorial meddling fricked up Loveness's script beyond all recognition because his comics are generally pretty great.
Some actors have confirmed that it was a mess while filming because brand new pages of the script would continue to be written and would change things on the fly.
That's how all blockbusters are done nowadays.
Maybe this isn’t some generational bullshit and some writers are just buttholes
the portion of the fanbase that still actively reads new comics is in the low-tens of thousands at best, that's the deal
>M.O.D.O.K. has been played for a joke in the comics for years
IIRC that was one comedy one-shot during Dark Reign that probably wasn't even meant to be canon. The real MODOK is not usually treated as a comedy character in the comics.
>and even turned into a Trump lookalike
That was Spider-Gwen's AU or something, it wasn't the real MODOK.
>The MCU playing him for a joke becomes a massive point of contention that is still hotly debate over a year later
>What's the deal?
The deal is "stop defending the MCU doing stupid things", and stop using bad comics as precedent to justify repeating what they did. This isn't just about MODOK, it's true in general. If some bad comic did something awful and moronic, stop holding it up as precedent to argue why we should keep doing that. What's wrong with you? Why do you want bad things?
>The deal is "stop defending the MCU doing stupid things", and stop using bad comics as precedent to justify repeating what they did. This isn't just about MODOK, it's true in general. If some bad comic did something awful and moronic, stop holding it up as precedent to argue why we should keep doing that. What's wrong with you? Why do you want bad things?
Damn right.
I never liked MODOK, I always thought he looked stupid and was a shitty villain overall. Never understood why he keeps appearing in media so much.
Weet ik
My first exposure to him was the 90s Iron Man cartoon where he was the sniveling little lackey to Mandarin.
It was later on I found out he was supposed to be a big deal in comics. And also not tiny. The cartoon one was like 3 feet tall.
I never understood why he was the midget sidekick on that show. It also played Mandarin up as an all powerful serious threat. When comics Mandarin was never anything special.
>When comics Mandarin was never anything special.
Mandarin was Iron Man's arch enemy so he was the main villain of the cartoon. He's always been portrayed as a match for Iron Man, in the 60s he put together a team of villains to fight the Avengers, and at the end of the 80s he was one of the cabal of villains for the Acts of Vengeance event, the Mandarin attacking the Avengers on his own towards the end of the event was treated as a big threat. The year that cartoon started the Mandarin was the big villain of his own event across the Iron Man, War Machine and Force Works books, and was probably the most powerful he'd ever been.
That's all lies.
MODOK started out as a CAPTAIN AMERICA VILLAIN. Not an Iron Man villain.
MODOK was a body horror type monstrosity; a random AIM agent who was forced against his will to be turned into an abomination, a giant head who would be used as a living computer for AIM.
However, the scientists who turned MODOK into a monster didn't think that turning a man into a super genius abomination with mindblast power would backfire on them and the very first thing MODOK did was kill the scientists who had turned him into a freak and the heads of AIM and take over the organization.
MODOK was a living breathing super genius monster who DESPISED Captain America as much as he envied Cap's handsome face and perfect body. After several years as a Cap villain, Mantlo used him in Hulk for the infamous "Bride of MODOK" saga and he killed Abomination and got General Ross to commit treason to help him steal Hulk's girlfriend and turn her into a MODOK.
Gruenwald killed MODOK off to make his Serpent Society OCs look cool and he only then appeared in Iron Man where his corpse got destroyed. Gruenwald resurrected the original MODOK at the very end of his Cap run (though at first he simply created a new one but later writers retconned it to OG MODOK being resurrected).
MODOK's association with Iron Man is 100% because of the Iron Man cartoon which recast him as being turned into MODOK by Red Ghost and being made pathetic. Which carried over to the Super Hero Squad cartoon.
MODOK works best as a body horror James Bond villain who uses proxies and henchmen and who doesn't get involved until the hero is captured so he can personally torture them. He's a super genius with a brain blast power who gets off on torture and murder because he's been turned into a deformed freak and can't stand/has an intense hatred for handsome chads and wants them dead.
>That's all lies.
Read it again, that post was about the Mandarin, not MODOK.
MODOK's one big Iron Man story before his death was during the War of the Supervillains storyline, where his giant head was attached to a giant robot body.
you literally can't read
>I never understood why he was the midget sidekick on that show.
To sell toys
People want to buy a midget sidekick toy?
I had a MODOK figure and a few Iron Man figures. I think the MODOK one was about as tall as Iron Man. The paint could have used some work and the articulation was non-existent, but there was a yellow energy blast that could shoot out of the forehead gem. The body was hard plastic, but the face was rubber, so you shot the missile out by squishing his head.
It was neat
It's funny. In the Hulk show, the Gargoyle had a similar relationship with the Leader.
This is the worst character design I've seen.
They should have made him small like inntge cartoon.
MCU can't do serious
No one liked the trump lookalike you dipshit. Here's your (you), now piss off.
was cool and funny in megas xlr
That's because they made him Bruce Campbell
Magnanimous also never killed anybody directly... that we know of.
>>M.O.D.O.K. has been played for a joke in the comics for years, and even turned into a Trump lookalike
And nobody liked that either
If I were lord god of the Iron Man corner of the Marvel Universe I’d make MODOK and AIM Iron Man’s nemesis to play off the idea of science and engineering without any sort of humanity and conscience, make them like the WWII Japanese Unit-numbers-I-can’t-remember on crack
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This shit looks like something out of a Spy Kids movie. How the actual FRICK does this exist in the same timeline and universe as Iron Man 1 and 2?
>How the actual FRICK does this exist in the same timeline and universe as Iron Man 1 and 2?
Feige's lack of oversight, same thing which hobbled a lot of Phase 4 shows and movies.
Trump-DOK was conceived the in the "Make fun of MAGA phase" of 2016.
>Contention
Has anyone even thought about the last Ant-Man film in the current year?
nobody anywhere gives a frick about modok
I do.
Looks like a twisted metal character
>People complain the comics are shit
>People still complain about the shit when it’s made into live action
He looks like an overgrown baby
Idk. I assumed he purposely looked like shit. Marvel hates this floating homie more than anything for some reason.
I have this funny thought stuck in my head that movie Modok is like Darth Vader who is a cyberborg enforcer to an evil emperor that eventually turns on his master and dies. I’m pretty sure that’s a common writing trope.
>single handedly KILLS the MCU
ngl that alone is pretty based.
It didn't work because it wasn't funny. Also, it looked like shit. If MODOK was funny and looked cool, nobody would've cared.
the modok cartoon was awesome what happened?
He should have been the main villain and Kang should have been a more behind-the-scenes figure
Like Ronan and Thanos in GOTG.
when did trump look like a flying head
>Millenial writers are cynical hacks who think everything is a fricking joke and nothing really matters, in other news, water is wet
Why are they so jaded?
>t. zoomer
GASLIGHTING:HARD
>What's the deal?
Slapping MODOK's identity over a character that had nothing to do with MODOK in the first place. Same reason I assume is why nobody's taken kindly to the MCU's version of Taskmaster.
It was the moment I realised Marvel has completely lost the plot and I stopped watching.
To me, the deal is his look. I can't stand to look at that effect for a fricking second. It's the most revolting thing I've seen in a long time, and a movie with that high budget shouldn't look like Shark Boy and Lava Girl.