>make luke competent
>have rey actually learn from him
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>make luke competent. >have rey actually learn from him
>make luke competent
>have rey actually learn from him
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Nobody asked but also you didn't
Rey already learned from Luke when she watched the OT, her arc is learning to put those lessons into practice rather than desperately seeking approval from the man himself
Are there cinemas in star wars universe?
Yes, Reva saw the prequels and saw that Bail and Obi were in a room on a spaceship together one time.
Better explanation for how she figured out Luke was Vader's son than what the actual show gave us.
Goddamn these people are fricking stupid, if I didn't know they were just as stupid I'd wonder why critics keep praising it.
>critics keep praising it
lol no they don't
>Obi-wan asks Leia how old she is
>when he's been watching over her twin brother ever since the day he was born at the birth he was present for
Obi-wan is a fricking moron now I guess
>critics keep praising it.
I am fully convinced that Disney pays off critics and WB is too moronic to figure out that that's where their good ratings come from.
Critics know it's in their interest to give positive reviews because the it encourages access to early-screenings for the next movie, or Disney movies in general.
No surprise that when ROS was in inexcusable disaster and there wasn't another instalment on the horizon they finally started to write honest reviews.
>Make Luke the stand-in Christlike figure I've built up in my head for 30 years who is nothing like the actual character in the original films
>Have him do epic flips and kill lots of guys with his light sword
Actually yes, just like rey did. How hard could it be?
They could have turned Luke into another Yoda - wise with the force but unable to confront the threat himself.
make him do SOMETHING
he does nothing the whole fricking movie
nothing happens in the entire movie except the first 10 minutes and last 20 minutes. There is no character development, Rei learns nothing from luke, there is the slowest car chase in movie history, and the casino planet is useless. Its pretty bonkers for a 2.5 hour movie
Genuinely yes, this would have worked. If he were at all like the Luke that built up the New Jedi Order on Yavin 4 then we would have seen some legendary feats of strength along with the calm assuredness and peace that years of mastery in the Force had brought him.
anyone who uses “christlike” as a derogative term is a homosexual
It's derogative because it's being applied to a fictional fricking character for man children you delusional Black person.
>make rey the badass girl boss figure I’ve built up in my head for 30 years who is nothing like the actual women in real life
>have her do epic flips and kill lots of trained fighters with someone else’s light sword
here's (your luke) not my luke
That doesn’t fix the prequel tier casino subplot or Holden not telling anyone her plan and inciting a mutiny for the lols
>prequel tier casino subplot
The casino is literally 10 mins of a 2hr 32 minute movie
>Holden not telling anyone her plan
Locking out Poe doesn't mean she kept everyone in the dark. Poe literally barges in on her briefing the bridge crew. The mutiny was Poe and like five of his friends - Poe, specifically, was locked out because he had just been demoted for disobeying orders to retreat.
>The casino is literally 10 mins of a 2hr 32 minute movie
I’m sure when you include the horse stuff and Benicio del Torro it’s longer than that.
>Poe literally barges in on her briefing the bridge crew.
Are you sure? There’s all those officers who join Poe in the mutiny so obviously they weren’t briefed.
>Poe, specifically, was locked out because he had just been demoted for disobeying orders to retreat.
Why couldn’t she tell the whole crew?
Part of the job of a commanding officer is to keep morale high and stop the chance of any mutiny or rebellion, the very fact that Poe tried to remove her and a lot of the crew joined him proves that she failed her job.
Even with his demotion, Poe was the 2nd highest ranking person there. Holdo not telling him the plan is extremely incompetent and directly leads to the mutiny
>Poe, specifically, was locked out because he had just been demoted for disobeying orders to retreat.
No, it was everyone. We saw the damn speech where she literally just told everyone to "Just keep hoping", for no reason. Why? Because the moron who wrote this script literally could not think of a conflict if Poe just, you know, learned there was a plan. Unsurprisingly the guy who wrote "And then the ship turned around and hyperspace rammed the other ship even though MULTIPLE REBEL SHIPS had been shot down by this point in this slow ass car chase" wasn't very good at writing scripts.
>10 mins of a 2hr 32 minute movie
And you felt every second of those two numbers
>You can't have an art deco casino in SW! Now, a 1950s diner, that is HECKIN EPIC AND SOUL!
Both are shit though. I called the casino prequel tier because of stuff like the 50s diner
No you didn't, you called the prequel diner "SOVL" in the other thread, gay
Unironically take your meds, I have no idea what you’re talking about
The casino subplot dewtroyed the myth that a group of ragtags can save the day. You should trust central command. Sean connery in red october literally tells a subordinate to shoot a nuclear missile with no reason and doesnt explain himself.
Now rey shining over luke makes the oposite point.
well they paid for the unfixed version and they dont care about the fixed version
Can we just not engage the autists this one time and let this shit overdone thread die?
>Obi-Wan turns into a hermit. Chuds are fine with it.
>Yoda turns into a hermit. Chuds are fine with it.
>Luke turns into a hermit. Chuds cry and seethe for years.
Why are chuds like this? Its supposed to be like pottery.
Nobody asked. Stop bumping this thread.
>Oh MY GOD!!!!!! THE THIRD TRILOGY WAS THE BESTEST EVER!! AHH AHH AHH!!! RAY WAS THE HERO ALL ALONG
Reddit Black folk like you should get into fatal car wrecks.
TFA and TLJ are better than all of the prequels and Return of the Jedi, cope and seethe
Yoda and obi wan actually did something meaningful after becoming hermits
>Yoda
>Jogged around with Luke in a swamp for 2 days and then died of a broken heart
>Obiwan
>Ferried Luke to the Death Star, gave him an Official Jedi Lightsaber and Remote™ training lesson then died
>Yet Luke saving the Resistance and awakening the next generation of Jedi doesn't count
chudlets have no response to this
Hey I am not a chud!
Both yoda and kenobi showed there was a great plan and led luke closer to it.
Luke just got scared twice: once with kylo amd then with rey. He was an obstacle not a mentor.
All his formation resukted in nothing
>there was a great plan
This is because the prequels retconned it to being that way
I resent luke being diminished to make rey shine. This wasnt necessary. Men and women can be great together. You dont need to make men stupid in order to elevate women. It is like this in reality and it should be like that in fiction.
Luke is the one who ultimately saves the day and the movie's final scene is a tribute to his legend. If you think the movie is trying to "tear down" Luke it's because you had a childish, revisionist idea of the character as someone who never flattered or made bad decisions
He created an ilusion. Throughout all movies the jedi specialty is to fight. He was demoted. He cant fight, just create ilusions.
>Throughout all movies the jedi specialty is to fight.
Like Yoda in empire strikes back?
As soon as they got the technology they put him to fight
>wars not make one great
>luminous beings are we, not this crude matter
>a jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack
Prequel/EU brain rot is real
The jedi dont fight in star wars? That cant be your point. The promotional material of all movies has them fighting. Scriptwriters must find a way to elevate female characters without demoting male characters. This is possible. It has already bewn done.
Luke's great victory is when he chose NOT to fight. It wasn't martial power that redeemed Vader and destroyed the Emperor
Arguable since he desteoyed the deathstar. But even then he fought vader toe to toe before deciding to redeem him.
>But even then he fought vader toe to toe before deciding to redeem him.
Yeah, when he's lashing out in hate and the emperor almost corrupts him.
>Throughout all movies the jedi specialty is to fight.
You missed the point. The Jedi forgot that they're supposed to be peacemakers.
>The Rise of Skywalker should have done more with Luke to capitalize on this.
Was it true that they had a plan for Rise of Skywalker that Rian Johnson fricked up by not telling anybody that he was killing Luke and Snoke?
I don't think so, I'm pretty sure JJ Abrams said after TFA that there was no grand scheme.
>Was it true that they had a plan for Rise of Skywalker that Rian Johnson fricked up by not telling anybody that he was killing Luke and Snoke?
They didn't really have one, but the original story by Colin Trevorrow had Luke in a larger role and Ben as the main villain.
It would've needed rewrites because Leia was still central, but I would've rather seen that movie.
I don't understand why they couldn't have big Ben be the main villain of ROS, they didn't need to bring the Emperor back.
Everyone says Rian Johnson killed off any potential story for ROS, when he clearly set up Ben as the conflicted final big bad, and even had Hux as the most senior rival within the First Order who could take over if Ben became good.
>I don't understand why they couldn't have big Ben be the main villain of ROS,
That might have been fricked up as early as TFA. If you have your main woman defeat the big bad twice, it robs him of intimidation.
Kylo isn't Vader. He's not this big unstoppable object the protagonist needs to level up to defeat, he's a younger villain meant to grow alongside the protagonist whose defeat spurs him to question himself and develop into his own villain rather than be discount Vader
But Star Wars fans are morons who can only engage with character relationships as powerlevel wankfests and action figures smashing together.
>he's a younger villain meant to grow alongside the protagonist whose defeat spurs him to question himself and develop into his own villain rather than be discount Vader
The themes of Lucas's time in the franchise show otherwise.
>Anakin got his ass handed to him throughout the prequels.
Again, you're a brainlet whose only engagement with character relationships is power level wanking and action figures smashing together
I totally agree, Kylo represented an opportunity for a new villain, one who was a mirror of Rey and an even match.
Instead they turn him back into a Vader clone in ROS by having him become the Emperor's lapdog (he even gets his mask back, except now it's glowing like LAVA, wow so cool and ebin!)
Only way I could see it working is if during TLJ he finally overcomes his conflict and truly commits to the dark side, which unlocks his true, terrifying potential.
Shit minor tweaks to his showdown with Luke at the end of TLJ could have set this up.
> have Luke display pain, surprise, and exertion during the fight
> Ben figures out that Luke is astral projecting and gives physical Luke a heart attack by some sort of force-based attack to his astral form
> First Order gets into the base and extremely few of the resistance actually escapes, basically set up the Rise of Skywalker with The First Order having utterly won the war and all hope seemingly lost
That's basically what happens in the movie except Johnson didn't want to reward Kylo's embrace of evil and wanted Luke to win the moral victory before dying peacefully
In the movie Ben was sperging out and clearly still conflicted. In my vision he's already embraced evil (maybe in the movie have him commit some atrocities without hesitation and hint that he's become much more powerful) and is attacking Luke ferociously but intelligently, deducing via some force voodoo that Luke is astral projecting and ending the fight immediately.
It would actually be right up Rian's "subvert le expectations" alley by having the climactic showdown end abruptly and barely do anything to help the resistance.
Vader was defeated at the end of A New Hope, it doesn't matter. He's the head of the First Order at this point, he has the resources to defeat the Rebellion.
Trevorow's script had problems and needed another screenwriter to come in to help revise it, but it at least *tried* to be a sequel to TLJ and come up with some larger point to this trilogy's story.
Rise of Skywalker feels written by a computer working off an algorithm of what fans expect a Star Wars movie to be
>Holdo goes out in a blaze of glory and wipes out 95% of the assault fleet
>Rey convinces Kylo to kill Snoke, and actually uses the Force to make an escape route
>Luke telecalls for a five-minute distraction because he couldn't be arsed to leave his cuckshed
Saying he saved the day is like saying Jar-Jar saved the day in Episode 1 because he took out three battle droids and looked like a jackass doing it.
>obi wan turns into a hermit
>it is implied that he is in hiding, and helping from the shadows
>he is the wise old man archetype and doesnt change from that character
>yoda is a hermit
>is the wise old sage
>is in hiding because of the mysteries of the force, later revealed to be the persecution of jedi
>he is the wise old sage as a character and not only in title, he teaches luke spiritually
>luke turns into hermit
>he is a different character
>he is a mean old man that resents the past
>he has nothing to do with reys growth
>he has nothing to do with the story
>he has nothing to do with the character of luke skywalker
this is what i dont get about dumb morons that like crap and swallow shit, like do you only see things as to dimensional cutouts? every character is just their wikipedia entry? he wears a robe so he is the same as yoda and obi wan
youre a dummy
It's a complete waste they didn't go with Luke establishing a whole new school of jedi. Have sith grow from there not another "mysterious" frickwit retconned into Palpatine.
The Jedi work better when they're few in number and only a handful of them are present in the story. Maybe a full-on extermination for the 2nd time in 40 years was a bit much, but I understand the impulse behind the decision
that said, it's not bad writing just because it hurts your feelings that Luke failed to restore the Jedi
YES YOU STUPID FRICK, NO ONE EVER ASKED FOR THEM TO RECREATE THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY BEAT FOR BEAT BUT FAR WORSE
>Why are chuds like this? Its supposed to be like pottery.
No one asked them to repeat the OT.
Yoda and Obi-Wan also lied to Luke, so he doesn't really have a reason to believe in Jedi orthodoxy.
Obi-wan was meant to be too old to fight anymore while Yoda was meant to be more of a guru and also old as frick. They weren't in hiding because they were jaded, they just didn't have the means to fight anymore.
rian admitted he made the movie terrible on purpose
Still impressed by the last Kenobi battle. For Disney, after that dumpster fire of a trilogy, was quite great. When Anakin gets his mask slashed in half I was honestly turned on by how masculine he seemed. Also how confident he was in choosing the dark side, idk but that type of confidence makes my twink ass gaps to the sky.
You just made it boring and formulaic. Cut out the casino planet side quest, and give Holdo a legit reason for being stingy with information, and get an actual choreographer for the throne room fight and then you've fixed it.
>another boomer manchild with shit taste that just wants to see his childhood heroes do the same shit over and over again
Guess what moron, the movie would have always been shit because Episode 7 was already shit and went back to the status quo of empire vs rebels. No Luke being 'le super badass jedi master' wouldn't have made it good. You just want to see endless nostalgia pandering, not an actual good sequel trilogy
>have rey actually learn from him
This happened.
What did she learn? He was just scared pf her power
Lucas treated Star Wars as a story. Disney treated Star Wars as a product. Once it exchanged hands, it died. Every additional Star Wars release is just kicking the corpse.
Lucas was as much of a greedy corpo type as any israelite, he just wore flannel and jeans instead of a suit
If you're not industrious how the frick do you produce a movie?
Can't be an autistic that screeches at money and produce something like SW.
It's not what they did with Luke(well aside from the stupid way he died) it's that Rey never faced any real obstacles in the entire trilogy. It's like she was a create-a-character who's stats were all already maxed out.
I agree
>watching movie with ex
>"why does he always get beat up so much when he fights someone? is he a masochist?"
I think it was an arnie movie, or maybe bloodsport. they just don't get it. It's like how you and I don't know why denim and hoodies are bad.
That's just Empire Strikes Back again
And if there's one thing this story about a plucky young jedi coming to a deserted planet to find an old jedi master while their friends are currently being chased by the army of bad guys and go on a side quest to a planet to meet with an old contact only to be betrayed by said contact while the jedi initially gets dismissed by the old master only to have a blue transparent ghost of their past show up and convince them to train them so they do vague physical exercises and the old master gives a brief talk about the force before he puts the jedi in a spooky cave where they're shown visions relating to their personal life and briefly giving into the darkside much to the chagrin of the master and then the jedi gets a call from across the universe showing that her friends are in trouble so she leaves despite the master's protests to confront the fallen darkside apprentice who's working for a crinkly old darkside master who sits on a giant throne in the middle of their superweapon and at some point giant four legged walkers attack a rebel base on a pure white planet while the rebels use local vehicles to fend them off unsuccessfully to give them time to escape which they do in the Millennium falcon specifically isn't, it's the Empire Strikes Back!
I mean, they crammed in the elevator scene, the scene where the jedi tries to reach out to the darkside apprentice after learning his backstory, and even throne room scene from the next movie too! It's more than just ripping off ONE movie shamelessly and doing everything so terribly that even normies said "Nah" and went to see Jumanji.
That's not enough to fix it. The sequel movies are far shittier than that.
They actually made it worse when they had Luke fail with Grogu.
And give A WOMAN a weakness?! a flaw?! a growth arc?! Waman can't be incompetent in this fricking age. Didn't you get the homosexual SJW memo?
>Rey dies of a baby of uncurable baby aids
There i saved starwars
>The Yo Mama Joke is still there
>The slowest fricking car chase is still there
>The massive fricking plothole ram is still there
>The complete stupidity of the Canto Bright scene is still there
>The throne room fight continues being the worst choreographed fight scene in the entire saga
>It's still a ripoff of ESB but now the Yoda standin does less stupid shit before its vague lessons and putting the plucky young jedi in the spooky cave of foreshadowing, since Yoda already taught Luke shit
Yep, totally fixed this dumpster fire of stupidity and maybe saved it from becoming the world record holder for drops between sequels as people dropped it enmass to the point where more than 1 out of every 3 tickets was sold in the opening weekEND.
Totally saved Star Wars from its merch being put into giant shredders because fricking nobody wanted them and everyone regarded this trainwreck as a joke except the critics who were desperate to be validated. Way to go, buddy.
The funny thing about making Luke not wanting to fight is that it completely lessens the entire main conflict in TFA is the First order trying to kill Luke before the resistance finds him because he's that big of a game changer in the war. Hux should've been panicking when he saw Luke on Krayt. And when he does decide to fight it's too late and the resistance is down to like 20 people.
TFA making Luke into some kind of demi-god who could change the war singlehandedly was a terrible idea in the first place.
And if there's one thing that can salvage a bad idea, it's a worse idea that relies on a flashback to explain a 180 and does it so poorly we still don't know why the only person in the entire universe who has tested multiple methods of saving a darkside fallen family member never tried the one thing that actually worked.
Seriously, Luke is the one, single, person who knows that just reaching out to him in a normal ass way is way more effective at bringing back people who are related to him. The only guy. And do they even give a single solitary line of dialog to imply "Hey, I tried just, you know, talking to him and reaching out to him"? I mean you think that would be basic, this is so obvious even the dumbest writer would at least close that massive character gap, right? You'd be wrong! Trust me bro it was there if you make up your own backstory but don't because your theory sucks unlike mine which was nothing.
Kylo saw Luke standing over him with a lightsaber poised to strike, it's obvious he can't be the one to make amends here.
>Kylo saw Luke standing over him with a lightsaber poised to strike
I love that you just regurgitated that in desperate hopes of ignoring the whole 'Getting to this point is a massive gap of the single character in the entire saga who tested this method already against a darkside fallen family member and knows for a fact it doesn't fricking work, and we're not even going to give a single line of dialog to even imply he tried the one successful method before this, the one thing that makes this entire thing nonsensical and only would work if you, the viewer, made up something not given by a movie made by a guy who specifically b***hed because people thought of things not told by the movie'
Slipped right on by us.
Are you drunk or just an ESL? I can barely comprehend this post.
>I can barely comprehend this post.
What, is it not included in your flash cards on what dumb things to spew in hopes of changing the subject or something?
Well tell them to include
>What do we spout when someone brings up the massive character gap that isn't explained in the movie made by a guy who specifically complained about people making up theories about a movie
Next time they tell you what to do.
>What, is it not included in your flash cards on what dumb things to spew in hopes of changing the subject or something?
Do you think I'm a fan of TLJ or and defending it? I'm not.
I'm just pointing out that Luke can't be the one who saves Kylo given he was poised to kill him, which is unlike the Vader redemption arc. If you don't like the "Luke almost killed Kylo" narrative than that's a seperate issue.
>Do you think I'm a fan of TLJ or and defending it? I'm not.
Kay.
>I'm just pointing out that Luke can't be the one who saves Kylo given he was poised to kill him
This is the second time you've said this when, again, the issue is that this story beat isn't just nonsensical, it's literally antithetical to the one, single, solitary character in the entire saga who has gone through different methods trying to help a darkside family member, written by someone so stupid they literally did not give a single line of dialogue to even imply this wasn't plan A.
What you're saying is the equivalent of saying
>Luke couldn't have been the one to destroy Starkiller base because in the flashback he built it, sealed up its weak points and left the keys to it out on the table
Like, of course he wouldn't in that situation, but if he got there in the first place it either requires a lot more explanation or it's so terribly written that you could do literally anything you wanted with it, because it's such a shitty foundation that any moral or story thematic are positively worthless and written by the dumbest motherfricker alive.
>This is the second time you've said this when, again, the issue is that this story beat isn't just nonsensical, it's literally antithetical to the one, single, solitary character in the entire saga who has gone through different methods trying to help a darkside family member, written by someone so stupid they literally did not give a single line of dialogue to even imply this wasn't plan A.
>Like, of course he wouldn't in that situation, but if he got there in the first place it either requires a lot more explanation or it's so terribly written that you could do literally anything you wanted with it, because it's such a shitty foundation that any moral or story thematic are positively worthless and written by the dumbest motherfricker alive.
OK? That's a fair argument, it's just not what we were discussing.
I was only pointing out that after he drove Kylo away he couldn't be the one to redeem him like Vader because circumstances were different.
But I agree that him trying to kill Kylo in the first place was character suicide.
>OK? That's a fair argument, it's just not what we were discussing.
It's what i said initially and then you brought up the attempted Kylo stab even though my entire complaint was it's so bad and requires such a leap it's worthless to the story.
>I was only pointing out that after he drove Kylo away he couldn't be the one to redeem him like Vader because circumstances were different.
Sure he could've. It could've ended with him playing catch with Kylo. It could've ended with him revealing he was Kylo's father. Why not? Nothing in it has any worth as a story due to the nature of it's foundation. The holding a lightsaber could've been a dream and it wouldn't be any worse written as a plotpoint, you cannot go any further down as a thematic element than the basis on which he built the story.
That this story element is included at all is not justification for any further lacking story that follows, Luke could've redeemed Kylo by himself and it would be no lesser of a story because getting here required so many leaps and gaps in logic that anything could've sufficiently ended it without feeling more or less fulfilling than what was delivered.
When you hit a story beat this bad, there's no justifying more awful storytelling after it by trying to adhere to it.
>It's what i said initially and then you brought up the attempted Kylo stab even though my entire complaint was it's so bad and requires such a leap it's worthless to the story.
Your ESL writing style made that hard to comprehend, I thought you were just complaining about Luke not being the one to save Kylo even after driving him away.
>, I thought you were just complaining about Luke not being the one to save Kylo even after driving him away.
You got that from
>Seriously, Luke is the one, single, person who knows that just reaching out to him in a normal ass way is way more effective at bringing back people who are related to him. The only guy. And do they even give a single solitary line of dialog to imply "Hey, I tried just, you know, talking to him and reaching out to him"?
That ain't my writing style pal, you just have current year american school reading comprehension.
>Seriously, Luke is the one, single, person who knows that just reaching out to him in a normal ass way is way more effective at bringing back people who are related to him. The only guy. And do they even give a single solitary line of dialog to imply "Hey, I tried just, you know, talking to him and reaching out to him"?
Yes, that and:
>And if there's one thing that can salvage a bad idea, it's a worse idea that relies on a flashback to explain a 180 and does it so poorly we still don't know why the only person in the entire universe who has tested multiple methods of saving a darkside fallen family member never tried the one thing that actually worked.
Since we already know from TFA that Luke fricked up in training Kylo and you're implying the 180 came after that.
>and you're implying the 180 came after that.
From the words "relies on a flashback"?
What do you think a flashback is, exactly?
At that point you should've just stopped replying to this gay. If he insults you and says something that has no good faith reply you just end the chain.
It's Cinemaphile, let morons be morons.
It would've worked if Snoke would've gotten pissed at Kylo for failing and began putting him through brutal training to match Luke and or Snoke himself decided to deal with Skywalker. An epic force battle between Snoke and Luke would've been awesome.
>Entire first movie is finding a map(To a character who doesn't want to be found but left a map to the one place he'd go, for some reason) so that you can bring in a guy(Who Kylo knows ran off and let him go on a killing rampage and never even tried to stop him) that might be able to change the war(But he doesn't and dies saving like 20 people even though with how OP the worst character of the saga is she could've just thrown the damn rocks) and teach the main character how to use the force(Nevermind she just can because worst character) and possibly stop Kylo(For like, two minutes, assuming he doesn't go to stab him and tell the others to keep shooting at the walls or something, lets just hope Kylo wants to 1V1 him without questioning him not dying in a hail of superfire oh good he does because this script was really fricking bad.)
10/10 according to critics who are really pissed you guys dropped this movie like a rock in week 2 and gave the worst legs of any SW movie, period.
>make Luke ignore visions of Kylo turning bad because he senses the good in him
>When he does turn bad, Luke loses faith in the reliablility of the Force and loses purposes with the death of his students and the betrayal of Kylos band of baddies
>goes into hiding to escape said band of baddies whose numbers + dark side influence from Snoke + not wanting to harm his students = not being able to defeat them.
I think thats at least marginally better and improves everyones characters.
no you didn't it's still shit
from the entire sequel trilogy there's maybe 20 minutes of not shit
rian johnson's 3 hour snorefest managed to have no (zero) kino
you couldn't pay me enough to praise these mediocre movies but disney could
give me 5 million dollars disney if you want me to find nice things to say about them otherwise go back to fighting over gay shit in florida and stop shilling them
>make Luke not die
There, I fixed it.
We can't have legacy characters being cool. They need to be old, decrepit and grumpy.
It's why Maverick made one billion. Cruise knows what the audience wants.
Has any other sequel so completely destroyed a once beloved franchise?
The Matrix Sequels?
Gen X seems to have really strong feelings about them and the 4th film was poorly received too.
Luke was the least of the problems in the Last Jedi. I was more bothered by the plot making no sense