That actually makes sense as to why she wanted it so bad.
If it would have actually helped her or her family in any way, it wouldn't appeal to her at all. If you want to interest a woman, you have to give her a way to utterly debase herself for zero benefit to herself or anybody else.
Don't ask me why, but that's what they're all into.
it's not
the ironborn have slaves in anything but name >salt wife
bed slave >thrall
slave
anything on the iron islands apart from house goodbrother of hammerhorn is a shit show ngl
those fricks are the most moronic shitters even compared to the hill clans they're beyond dumb
Who knows? The world building is so shit and GRRM is such a depressed fat libshit it's impossible to tell what a good life is in Westeros. Which makes for great story telling because you sure can get invested in stories about the shitty lives of shitty people living in a shitty system they have no inclination or desire to change!
>His thumb brushed lightly over her full lips. "It's what those lips were made for, sweetling. If you were my salt wife, you'd do as I command." >His climax came on him sudden as a storm, and he filled the girl's mouth with his seed. Startled, she tried to pull away, but Theon held her tight by the hair. Afterward, she crawled up beside him. >"Did I please milord?" >"Well enough," he told her. >"It tasted salty," she murmured. >"Like the sea?" >She nodded. "I have always loved the sea, milord."
This isn't even well written lol
have some John Updike plebs >She rolls further, turning her back, cradling her bottom in his stomach and thighs. They enter a lazy space. He wants the time to stretch long, to great length and thinness. Between her legs she strokes him with her fingertips. She brings back her foot and he holds her heel. As they deepen together he feels impatience that through all their twists they remain separate flesh; he cannot dare enough, now that she is so much his friend in this search; everywhere they meet a wall. The body lacks voice to sing its own song. She floats through his blood as under his eyelids a salt smell, damp pressure, the sense of her smallness as her body hurries everywhere into his hands, her breathing, bedsprings’ creak, accidental slaps, and the ache at the parched root of his tongue each register their colors. >“Now?” Ruth asks, her voice croaky. He kneels in a kind of sickness between her spread legs. With her help their blind loins fit. Something sad in the capture. The capture grows. He braces himself on his arms above her, afraid, for it is here he most often failed Janice, by coming too soon. Yet, what with the alcohol drifting in his system, or his coming a little before, his love is slow to burst in her warmth. He hides his face beside her throat, in the mint of her hair. With thin, thin arms she hugs him and presses him down and rises above him. From her high smooth shoulders down she is one long underbelly erect in light above him; he says in praise softly, “Hey.”
Ehhhhh he was kind of a fetishist, I prefer Mailer's "Frick you, you stupid fricking b***h" energy if we're talking about mid century American writers.
Also you're kind of a b***h Black person because we both know the only reason you really posted this was because you wanted people to think you're smart, but you just come across as thirsty.
this was written by a man who has not had a lot of sex
This isn't even well written lol
have some John Updike plebs >She rolls further, turning her back, cradling her bottom in his stomach and thighs. They enter a lazy space. He wants the time to stretch long, to great length and thinness. Between her legs she strokes him with her fingertips. She brings back her foot and he holds her heel. As they deepen together he feels impatience that through all their twists they remain separate flesh; he cannot dare enough, now that she is so much his friend in this search; everywhere they meet a wall. The body lacks voice to sing its own song. She floats through his blood as under his eyelids a salt smell, damp pressure, the sense of her smallness as her body hurries everywhere into his hands, her breathing, bedsprings’ creak, accidental slaps, and the ache at the parched root of his tongue each register their colors. >“Now?” Ruth asks, her voice croaky. He kneels in a kind of sickness between her spread legs. With her help their blind loins fit. Something sad in the capture. The capture grows. He braces himself on his arms above her, afraid, for it is here he most often failed Janice, by coming too soon. Yet, what with the alcohol drifting in his system, or his coming a little before, his love is slow to burst in her warmth. He hides his face beside her throat, in the mint of her hair. With thin, thin arms she hugs him and presses him down and rises above him. From her high smooth shoulders down she is one long underbelly erect in light above him; he says in praise softly, “Hey.”
how do you think anon? women? google? middleschool knowledge? you're the homosexual here honestly for assuming a human that can talk and read needs to suck a dick to arrive to some knowledge basis
imagine cumming in some bawd then in 20 years you find out she has a hot little daughter that grew up to be a hot little bawd on screen - a gift you gave to the world without even knowing
What an incel this guy was. As Sandor and Daario both mention, it's pointless to frick a girl who doesn't want to be fricked. She took his coin but was fricking Daario's Big Tyroshi wiener on the side
>it's pointless to frick a girl who doesn't want to be fricked. She took his coin
The point I'm assuming for a soldier marching for three weeks is to cum? Probably why he paid. This isn't the deep philosophical comment you think it is.
How did this gigachad die? I liked him better than that gay dario.
What an incel this guy was. As Sandor and Daario both mention, it's pointless to frick a girl who doesn't want to be fricked. She took his coin but was fricking Daario's Big Tyroshi wiener on the side
ayy im currently rewatching s1-4 and s2 is much better than I remember.
In my head it was the "season most different from the books and dany is in that weird city half the season", but its really like 5% of screen time
Emilia had just had a brain hemorrhage after S1 so they probably tried to limit her screentime as best they could.
S2 is her worst acting by far because of it.
Weight gain aside you can see how little they start to care as the seasons develop.
1 has the most effort, starts dwindling a bit by 2-4 and then freefalls
They used to put eyeshadow in her, mascara, that thing that made her cheeks pink, by 6 and 7 it's literally just the wig.
Yeah for some reason I only really respected her after she burned KL down. I don't know why usually I object to wholesale slaughter but something about her whole arc, it felt right. At that moment I wanted her to win.
Viserys was an impotent homosexual.
He sold his sister, he sold his crown, his dignity
He came to the world believing he was owned an easy life, and when that didn't happen he refused to budge even as reality crashed into him
>Emilia had just had a brain hemorrhage after S1 so they probably tried to limit her screentime as best they could. >S2 is her worst acting by far because of it.
I looked it up.
Probably being super rich hbo project helps a lot
Interestingly I didn't knew about it until got was over. I'm glad she made it. I blew lots of loads to her. I still find her sex even tho she aging badly but 2 brain surgery would age anyone.
I wish her the best
11 months ago
Anonymous
She started her own charity to help people who have gone through things like that, aneurysms and stuff
It's called "still you" or something
She is the sweetest person on the planet
Always hoped that she’d had a child from this Cena with Theon at about the time he’s castrated she gives birth because pottery and that she’d rock up to pyke and show him or her to yara who’d be ok with the idea of Theon’s child being lord reaver of the iron islands if the rest of the iron born voted for it at a kinsmoot, that by rescuing yara and fighting and dying heroically against the night king Theon had finally earnt their respect and his child would rule like Theon himself should have if balon hadn’t fricked everyone’s life up
>His thumb brushed lightly over her full lips. "It's what those lips were made for, sweetling. If you were my salt wife, you'd do as I command." >His climax came on him sudden as a storm, and he filled the girl's mouth with his seed. Startled, she tried to pull away, but Theon held her tight by the hair. Afterward, she crawled up beside him. >"Did I please milord?" >"Well enough," he told her. >"It tasted salty," she murmured. >"Like the sea?" >She nodded. "I have always loved the sea, milord."
They are talking the whole time during the scene. It expands on Theon's character at that moment: he's a womanizer, all about getting pleasure for himself, doesn't have much empathy, doesn't give a shit what will happen to this girl once he leaves the ship, he's been with the Starks his whole life but doesn't feel like he's one of them and now he's very excited to meet his ironborn family and be a part of his "true family". And yes, people watch the show for sex/nudity. The scene is accomplishing both things at once.
Due to the scene, once Theon gets to shore it's no surprise that he immediately starts hitting on the woman who offers to bring him to the castle. Then it's all the more interesting when she turns out to be his sister, and far from the joyful welcome party Theon expected, his father is disgusted by him, his clothing, and his attitude.
is this the only sex scene that actually is from the books in the whole series
I don't mind *sex* in the series by but HBO's "sexy" sex scenes were just cringe. Especially turning Ramsey into a sexy character with a sexy girlfriend
that was beyond moronic
Back in college, I got in a car with this girl from high school cause we were in the the same class and had studied in the library. We also pick up this fat chick. She's like "oh hey anon!" I have no clue who she is. I finally understand that she's this other girl from high school who blew up like crazy. But she knows that I didn't recognize her because she got fat and keeps asking "why didn't you recognize me??" I say that I'm bad at remembering people from high school. The original girl is a bro and backs me up, saying I didn't recognize her either at first. But we all know, it's cause she got real fat.
>On the way to the castle, Theon pulls the horse over and fricks her on the side of the road. She still doesn't tell him she's his sister until they arrive
>On the way to the castle, Theon pulls the horse over and fricks her on the side of the road. She still doesn't tell him she's his sister until they arrive
That's the point in the book series a decade ago where I thought, why the frick is this pervert writing this?
>He is predominantly of Irish descent;[17] a DNA test on the series Finding Your Roots showed him to be 53.6% "British and Irish", 22.4% Ashkenazi israeli, and 15.6% "Broadly Northwestern European".
So less than a quarter is enough to seethe now? Good to know.
Ashkenazi israelites are more fricked in the head than other israelites, ashkenazi ancestry overrides other ancestry so having 22% counts as being about 72% percent israelite
>His thumb brushed lightly over her full lips. "It's what those lips were made for, sweetling. If you were my salt wife, you'd do as I command." >His climax came on him sudden as a storm, and he filled the girl's mouth with his seed. Startled, she tried to pull away, but Theon held her tight by the hair. Afterward, she crawled up beside him. >"Did I please milord?" >"Well enough," he told her. >"It tasted salty," she murmured. >"Like the sea?" >She nodded. "I have always loved the sea, milord."
Call me a pleb, but I'd rather read poorly-written sex by an attractive person versus well-written sex by an unattractive people.
Like, I am living your gross pig-sex experiences second hand instead of attractive sex
HotD had a couple of bizarre things and the black Velaryons but overall the characters were interesting, sets good, plots worked, and the costumes were miles above GoT (outside of S1)
HotD S1 was arguably better than peak GoT, at least for me. I think the show benefits enormously from good talent and a more focused story, instead of telling 12 different stories in 1-hour chunks.
GoT's cast was a real mixed bag, but most of Cinemaphile wound up hating the Starks and getting attached to certain characters. Stannis was based, sure. But who liked 8 seasons of Jon Snow? Arya Stark? Even Dany got shit on here. It was simping for villains, weebs, and trve Stannisbros. I feel the things that made Stannis interesting (line of succession, right to rule, law and order) are prevalent in HotD and it's a more interesting time on the continent, when there are many dragons. The cast is phenomenal throughout, there's no weakness whatsoever, the writing is very good. I really can't see why anyone would prefer GoT. More breasts?
>HotD cast is better than GoT
By whose standards? Yours?
Throughout what? 8 episodes?
Baring that
It was considered lacklustre and on par with a soap opera. There was minimal character development and an unsatisfying plot which skipped through large swathes of the source material, several arcs just kinda abandoned and inconsistent characters. You really are just a a tasteless moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>minimal character development
i'd say the exact opposite, it was over 8 hours about a very specific group of people. i learned about them, i figured out what they like and don't like. i got in their heads. >unsatisfying plot
subjective assessment >skipped through source
well, i don't read those books by George Rail Road Martin. I don't have time for his particular brand of scatological low-fantasy setting in high-fantasy world.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>subjective assessment
This Black person thinks anything he said was objective
11 months ago
Anonymous
>i learned about them, i figured out what they like and don't like. i got in their heads.
Ok, and? That's not what character development means >that's just like your opinion bro
No. It's a fact. It failed to deliver a climax or an endpoint that wasn't cheap or basic. You being unable to see that doesn't make me wrong >having poorly stitched together continuity and pacing is actually good because the thing it's based on 1:1 is shit
You just proved my point, lol
You having no clue what makes a show good doesn't make me wrong.
>hotd is better than /got/ with magical living Black person man
Frick off moron. laenor living literally breaks the lore because of dragonbonds. Either they have to break the lore, or Laenor is going to come back on his dragon in some EPIC SAVE scene.
It's shit, it's schlock and you're not going to convince anyone since watching the show destroys your arguments.
I AM NOT MAD! I know he swapped those ballot results for the Emmys. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at Price Waterhouse Accounting to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This mummer's farce? He's done worse. The wedding! Are you telling me that Criston Cole, a literal who hedge knight of Dornish extraction publicly beat the Groom's best friend and lover to death in the middle of a Royal Wedding Ceremony...and he got away with it without any explanation? The jumpcut... Did anyone even see anything in episode 7's black screen? Or believe that Rhaenys killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent civilians at the Dragonpit only to spare the Greens who orchestrated everything makes her a strong girlboss? No! *He* didn't even care about it! GEORGIE! He had Daenerys defecate all the way to Qarth like he defecates over respectable literature! And I watched and read everything. And I shouldn't have. I took them into my own library and Plex server! What was I *thinking*? He'll never finish aSoIaF! He'll never change. He'll *never* change! Ever since he was a boy in Bayonne, NJ *always* the same! Couldn't help himself from killing turtles and missing deadlines! But not our GEORGIE! Couldn't be precious GEORGIE! Stealing Better Call Saul and Succession of their awards blind! And HotD gets to win all the Emmys and Golden Globes? What a foul jest!
That's fricking moronic. The Islands aren't that worthless. They should have been colonized by the rest of the Seven Kingdoms and led by a bunch of second sons and heroes of the conflict, just like a Crusade.
They can replant forests, cultivate hardy crops, fish, and work the mines.
it really doesn't make sense they didn't do this
all of the same Ironborn houses are in control of their same territories and are able field another invasion fleet less than two decades later
they should've been executed, sent to various parts of the other kingdoms, made to take the black and then resettled by fisherman, miners, and farmers from other kingdoms with lords moving in.
Their entire cultural after centuries or millennia of them doing the same shit should've been wiped out. It's not like anyone would've cared
it really doesn't make sense they didn't do this
all of the same Ironborn houses are in control of their same territories and are able field another invasion fleet less than two decades later
they should've been executed, sent to various parts of the other kingdoms, made to take the black and then resettled by fisherman, miners, and farmers from other kingdoms with lords moving in.
Their entire cultural after centuries or millennia of them doing the same shit should've been wiped out. It's not like anyone would've cared
If you send new people in they get converted by the cthululu demon anyways, that's what happened when Andals conquered the island
only if they get assimilated
so have them outnumber the natives and deport or kill most of them
if there's some spooky shit going on that makes people convert then who knows but a few Andals settling on the island isn't a good example
>but a few Andals settling on the island isn't a good example
It's very telling in fact, because Andals back then were often religious fanatics for the Seven, so for them to convert to the Chtululu religion is mighty odd
yeah but they had just come on the wave of a continent-wide series of conquests and arrived on a dirt poor collection of islands at the end of the world
maybe the raiding culture of the ironborn made sense to them at the time
yeah but they had just come on the wave of a continent-wide series of conquests and arrived on a dirt poor collection of islands at the end of the world
maybe the raiding culture of the ironborn made sense to them at the time
They were a very superstitious people that landed on the Islands and found a spooky oily black stone throne. The same circumstances wouldn't be repeated.
>If you send new people in they get converted by the cthululu demon anyways
If you are replacing all the upper ruling caste, why do you think what little "clergy" of the Ironborn wouldn't also be replaced? Or as others have suggested forcibly resettle their peasants as well and have the islands repopulated from anyone willing to settle it.
Because eradicating Ironborn culture is the reason you are doing this entire endeavor, why would you not also kill their priests of which they don't seem to have many, and drag Naga's bones back to the Red Keep with the Dragon Skulls?
11 months ago
Anonymous
good luck finding all the priests on all the islands
great wyk alone is the size of ireland, and see how well england's attempts to suppress catholicism went there. and that's with a religion where they have churches they stay in, instead of being nomads on multiple islands.
good fricking luck lol, no wonder it didn't happen
Targcucks couldn't even hold their own throne for 300 years
11 months ago
Anonymous
>good luck finding all the priests on all the islands
You could feasibly replace ALL the Ironborn on the islands, they were thinly peopled >great wyk alone is the size of ireland
Bullshit >good fricking luck lol, no wonder it didn't happen
It didn't happen because Robert is a lazy shit and let them all bend the knee.
11 months ago
Anonymous
lol thinly peopled, good luck explaining the logistics of that when the targcucks couldn't even do that to the Dornish who live in a literal desert
my points stand, if england couldn't successfully suppress catholicism in ireland, good luck trying to do the same with drowned godism in the iron islands (you'll need it because it didn't happen, cuck)
targs were fricking morons, no wonder they lasted half as long as the freys
11 months ago
Anonymous
>good luck explaining the logistics of that when the targcucks couldn't even do that to the Dornish who live in a literal desert
First off, the Dornish still outnumber the Ironborn.
Secondly, the Dornish had a much wider territory from which they could hide.
Thirdly, all the wars of Dornish Resistance were completely fricking moronic and nonsensical and collapse under any logical scrutiny whatsoever. George wanted some plucky freedom fighters in his work and he forgot that in the type of setting he chose, freedom fighters get their village massacred until they stop revolting or are all dead. >my points stand, if england couldn't successfully suppress catholicism in ireland, good luck trying to do the same with drowned godism in the iron islands
If you notice, no one suggested trying to force convert the populace. They suggested killing and replacing the populace.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Dornish still outnumber the Ironborn
not according to Doran Martell who says they have fewer people lol
the rest of your post has been disregarded, ergo:
my points stand, if england couldn't successfully suppress catholicism in ireland, good luck trying to do the same with drowned godism in the iron islands (you'll need it because it didn't happen, cuck)
targs were fricking morons, no wonder they lasted half as long as the freys
your fantasy of how it should have played out didn't happen, cope
11 months ago
Anonymous
>not according to Doran Martell
They have twice the population of the Iron Islands
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/06/the-population-of-the-seven-kingdoms/#:~:text=Using%20a%20combination%20of%20these,and%2078%20million%20in%201300.
The rest of your post has been disregarded, ergo:
The Ironborn would be holocausted
11 months ago
Anonymous
>blog
LOL
meanwhile Doran Martell: >"Dorne is the least populous of the Seven Kingdoms." - AFFC
and the Seven Kingdoms according to GRRM: >the rock, the isles, the north, the reach, the stormlands, dorne, mountain and vale
TOP KEK you cucked yourself again
the rest of your post has been disregarded, ergo:
my points stand, if england couldn't successfully suppress catholicism in ireland, good luck trying to do the same with drowned godism in the iron islands (you'll need it because it didn't happen, cuck)
targs were fricking morons, no wonder they lasted half as long as the freys
your fantasy of how it should have played out didn't happen, cope
11 months ago
Anonymous
Doran is a senile old man. Dorne is much larger than the Iron Isles and contains much more land suited to dense human habitation.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not him but he's right. Dorne was more populated in its past but not anymore. Entire settlements are getting abandoned due to wells drying up. The dry desert is not ideal for a dense population especially when the most vital resource is depleting.
GoT's cast was a real mixed bag, but most of Cinemaphile wound up hating the Starks and getting attached to certain characters. Stannis was based, sure. But who liked 8 seasons of Jon Snow? Arya Stark? Even Dany got shit on here. It was simping for villains, weebs, and trve Stannisbros. I feel the things that made Stannis interesting (line of succession, right to rule, law and order) are prevalent in HotD and it's a more interesting time on the continent, when there are many dragons. The cast is phenomenal throughout, there's no weakness whatsoever, the writing is very good. I really can't see why anyone would prefer GoT. More breasts?
The writing was the issue. If they just stuck with the books they'd be fine but they didn't
HotD S1 was arguably better than peak GoT, at least for me. I think the show benefits enormously from good talent and a more focused story, instead of telling 12 different stories in 1-hour chunks.
Top tier bait. HOTD will never compare to my headcanon version >that Hugo Vance line in KL solos all of HOTD
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The dry desert is not ideal for a dense population
Which is why everyone lives on the coast and the River Rhoyne.
11 months ago
Anonymous
the Rhoyne is in Essos
11 months ago
Anonymous
The Greenblood, I mean. Their "New" River Rhoyne.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Targs were torn apart by The Dance. That's the defining moment when they go from an unbeatable dynasty to one in serious decline.
There is also the suggestion that inbreeding would do them in, absent a rebellion.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>unbeatable dynasty
They were already beaten by Dorne several times.
They were morons who got lucky with three large dragons. Their own homosexualry and the Dance just made everyone notice.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well, yes, the dragons are gamechangers, and they're fundamentally despots. They're extremely effective despots though. Also, no one would call Jaehaerys I a moron, and I really doubt Aegon and his sisters were moronic either. It takes intelligence to mount an effective campaign, which they did essentially alone, even when you have WMD. You need to know how and when to deploy them.
It was inbreeding that made them crazy and stupid, and it was power that made them complacent.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>effective >last half as long as the freys
lol ok
11 months ago
Anonymous
Using dragons against conventional troops doesn't take a genius.
He wasn't really a good leader, he got lucky due to having three massive dragons. He couldn't properly administrate or govern Westeros, he failed to create a bureaucracy or courts to facilitate Tagaryen rule, he failed to establish a functional absolute monarchy by instead relying on the Lords Paramount to gather their own taxes, administer the laws in the absence of royal officers and effectively act as petty kings, he failed to supply the royal house with adequate lands for incomes, he failed to conquer Dorne, and he basically set up the "dracocracy" system that would lead to shit like the Dance of the Dragons, the Blackfyre Rebellions, and the ultimate end of House Targaryen less than 300 years later.
He was a lucky mofo, but ultimately suffered from either poor leadership skills or hyper-focus on the powers of dragons.
it really doesn't make sense they didn't do this
all of the same Ironborn houses are in control of their same territories and are able field another invasion fleet less than two decades later
they should've been executed, sent to various parts of the other kingdoms, made to take the black and then resettled by fisherman, miners, and farmers from other kingdoms with lords moving in.
Their entire cultural after centuries or millennia of them doing the same shit should've been wiped out. It's not like anyone would've cared
Yeah why didn't EUropeans just do that to the muslim corsairs for 800 years.
It's not as easy as you're pretending. A feudal society does not have the capacity.
>Yeah why didn't EUropeans just do that to the muslim corsairs for 800 years.
Because they tried to be good Catholics and just convert them. If the French just killed all of the Algerians and repopulated it with colonists then it would still be a French state today. >It's not as easy as you're pretending. A feudal society does not have the capacity.
It worked fairly well for Jerusalem, and that wasn't an effort sponsored by a monolithic unified feudal Kingdom.
Europeans invaded North Africa multiple times and got fricked after early successes. You do know that France in the 1800's wasn't a feudal society anymore?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tangier_(1437)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Tunis_(1569)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Tunis_(1574)
You can find many more examples
>It worked fairly well for Jerusalem
No it really didn't. The first crusade succeeded because of infighting between seljuk emirs and because the Fatamids and Seljuks hated each other. After this was sorted the Kingdom of Jerusalem was on a constant backpedal, struggled heavily with manpower issues and was reliant on giving generous concessions to latin communities (venize, piza genoa) in trade rights and land for constant resupply. Now the ironborn don't have access to the silk road or any other massive trading line that they can open up for the rest of Westeros. The citystates that are based around maritime commerce are on the other side of Westeros. It doesn't make any sense for a feudal kingdom already racked with issues and instability (like controlling the 7 kingdoms who resist the monarchy) to be able to maintain a concentrated colonization effort over hundreds of years.
>No it really didn't
Stopped reading there. They conquered some far away land surrounded by powerful enemies and where the colonists never surpased 15% of the population and held onto to it for a century. They idea the akingdom of Jerusalem wasn't succesful is some historically illiterate nonsense.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The only reason they weren't annihilated at Antioach was because the muslim Emirs betrayed Kerbogha wanting to lower his prestige because the crusaders weren't considered a serious threat. After Antioch the Seljuk Emirs supported the Crusaders with goods and food to invade the Fatamids in Jerusalem instead of harassing or attacking them. After Almaric the kingdom was in perpetual decline.
Maybe pick up a book instead of just using result based analysis.
I don't know why you think this is even remotely equivalent. 1500s is no longer medieval, and it's small scale conflicts between powers on opposite sides of a sea which are culturally and religiously distinct.
The scenario in game of thrones is more like if all of Western Europe was one Kingdom, and Sweden and Norway would not cease their viking Black persony despite being vassals to the greater Kingdom. The rest of Europe jointly invades them due to rebellion, and is then faced with the decision to eradicate their culture and religion.
I didn't say medieval, I said feudal. Are you going to say Europe wasn't mostly feudal states in 1400's and 1500s? Also you're seriously going to try claim that the holy roman empire marshaling the resources of Italy , Spain, Portugal and the Germany isn't a massive effort of conquest? Their goal was to rid the seas of corsairs by conquering their homes. and they weren't friendly about it. They just lost in the end because the Ottomans supported the muslims and the French supported the Ottomans because they were surrounded by Charles V.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Tunis_(1535)
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The only reason they weren't annihilated is blah blah
All of history can be described like this
>result based analysis >for Human history
Man you're dumb lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the crusaders weren't considered a serious threat
Sounds like a mistake on their part
11 months ago
Anonymous
It was, however if you read that you'll find out the Seljuk emirs betrayed Kerbogha. Kerbogha suffered heavy losses and was unable to hold power over the other emirs anymore.
>Are you going to say Europe wasn't mostly feudal states in 1400's and 1500s? >The Renaissance and the Enlightenment brought about an end to the feudal system, as they both promoted a move towards liberty and individual rights, and questioned the traditional forms of authority.
1500s is firmly within the Renaissance. >They just lost in the end because the Ottomans supported the muslims and the French supported the Ottomans
Sounds an awful lot like it's not even remotely comparable to the North, Westerlands, Reach, Riverlands, Vale, Crownlands, Stormlands, and Dorne invading the Iron Isles after their military power was already crushed by Stannis.
>The Renaissance and the Enlightenment brought about an end to the feudal system, as they both promoted a move towards liberty and individual rights, and questioned the traditional forms of authority.
Yes anon and when did the Enlightenment start. Frick me you're reading that backwards hahaha. Like this isn't even up for debate, most of europe was feudal in 1400's and early 1500's. Just googling the renaissance and not being able to read doesn't disprove that.
>I don't see why they would help each other do this
They don't want their lands raided by pirates >and why lords deeper in the country would want to support colonising the iron islands
Second and third sons looking for new lordships, peasants looking for opportunities
>They don't want their lands raided by pirates
As Charles V found out, it costs more to stop the raiding by conquering. >peasants looking for opportunities
Lords don't want their peasants leaving their land. That's their workforce. >Second and third sons looking for new lordships
Well they can fund the trip then.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Second and third sons looking for new lordships >Well they can fund the trip then
Sure they could, and they probably should have.
And honestly they wouldn't really need a whole lot of peasants with them, the problem with the Iron Islands are the people in charge. Once the culture of the elites is replaced, the native smallfolk would work just fine. >Lords don't want their peasants leaving their land
I would asume in Westeros that peasants are tied to their direct Lord, who in this case would be the one moving, not the ultimate authority in the kingdom
11 months ago
Anonymous
None of this is either true OR relevant to the discussion as it has been well established to be completely irrelevant to the circumstances in ASoIaF, with is a monolithic UNIFIED Kingdom
> it's not even remotely comparable to the North, Westerlands, Reach, Riverlands, Vale, Crownlands, Stormlands, and Dorne invading the Iron Isles after their military power was already crushed by Stannis.
Forgot to respond to this part. Bro why would all these people want to stay? That's the problem. You come in with an army, you conquer and then ... most of the army leaves. Now it's a massive drain of wealth as you have to maintain this overseas colony and have to keep funding soldiers to garrison. And then send more when more serious problems rise up.
>Now it's a massive drain of wealth as you have to maintain this overseas colony and have to keep funding soldiers to garrison. And then send more when more serious problems rise up
You have repeatedly ignored this, and I want you to address it directly. I ship all their Thralls to Westeros and I kill all the Ironborn. New Lords are created and they are responsible for developing the lands to be as prosperous as they can be.
I want you to formulate a coherent argument for why this is not a viable solution.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>with is a monolithic UNIFIED Kingdom
Anon ... I. I mean what? No it isn't. It's literally called the 7 kingdoms with their own cultural and geographical flavors. The Targaryens don't see westerosi culture as superior to Ironborn they're both 2 flavors of the same fruit for them so if the ironborn accept their rule why would they stomp them out?
And the Baratheons are literally not running a unified kingdom, Robert is constantly on the look for usurpers and we're told many times targ loyalists remain. Balon banks on this for his rebellion, however Robert is still able to pull together a large army, that doesn't mean he could sustain a colonization effort for 50 years.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Anon ... I. I mean what? No it isn't. It's literally called the 7 kingdoms
And none of them are independent. Thus, unified.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can't just force everyone to do what you say. The king can't do as he likes. This is what happens multiple times in the franchise. The reason you're moronic idea doesn't work is because it's moronic. The ironborn are not a big enough threat or hated enough for the entity of westeros to embark on a campaign of genocide.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The ironborn are not a big enough threat or hated enough for the entity of westeros to embark on a campaign of genocide.
Many were calling for exactly that after the Ironborn were defeated, that was what brought about this entire discussion. The notion of replacing the entire upper echelons of Ironborn society at the very least was very much a possibility. And then you have figures like Tywin who have proven very willing to engage in genocide.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The ironborn are not a big enough threat or hated enough for the entity of westeros to embark on a campaign of genocide.
They are and in any other setting they'd would've been exterminated.
Imagine if England was the home of almost every single pirate that scourged to coasts of Western Europe. Imagine they were a sorta unified kingdom and so were France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Norway and Denmark.
Now imagine that England regularly raids and wages war against all these countries.
They're zero reason why Westeros wouldn't make a coalition to kill off every single Ironborn when they've showed themselves to be the bane of civilization
11 months ago
Anonymous
England and France literally raided each other for hundreds of years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Channel_naval_campaign,_1338%E2%80%931339
11 months ago
Anonymous
>with is a monolithic UNIFIED Kingdom
Anon ... I. I mean what? No it isn't. It's literally called the 7 kingdoms with their own cultural and geographical flavors. The Targaryens don't see westerosi culture as superior to Ironborn they're both 2 flavors of the same fruit for them so if the ironborn accept their rule why would they stomp them out?
And the Baratheons are literally not running a unified kingdom, Robert is constantly on the look for usurpers and we're told many times targ loyalists remain. Balon banks on this for his rebellion, however Robert is still able to pull together a large army, that doesn't mean he could sustain a colonization effort for 50 years.
Get a room already gays
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Are you going to say Europe wasn't mostly feudal states in 1400's and 1500s? >The Renaissance and the Enlightenment brought about an end to the feudal system, as they both promoted a move towards liberty and individual rights, and questioned the traditional forms of authority.
1500s is firmly within the Renaissance. >They just lost in the end because the Ottomans supported the muslims and the French supported the Ottomans
Sounds an awful lot like it's not even remotely comparable to the North, Westerlands, Reach, Riverlands, Vale, Crownlands, Stormlands, and Dorne invading the Iron Isles after their military power was already crushed by Stannis.
11 months ago
Anonymous
> it's not even remotely comparable to the North, Westerlands, Reach, Riverlands, Vale, Crownlands, Stormlands, and Dorne invading the Iron Isles after their military power was already crushed by Stannis.
Forgot to respond to this part. Bro why would all these people want to stay? That's the problem. You come in with an army, you conquer and then ... most of the army leaves. Now it's a massive drain of wealth as you have to maintain this overseas colony and have to keep funding soldiers to garrison. And then send more when more serious problems rise up.
I don't know why you think this is even remotely equivalent. 1500s is no longer medieval, and it's small scale conflicts between powers on opposite sides of a sea which are culturally and religiously distinct.
The scenario in game of thrones is more like if all of Western Europe was one Kingdom, and Sweden and Norway would not cease their viking Black persony despite being vassals to the greater Kingdom. The rest of Europe jointly invades them due to rebellion, and is then faced with the decision to eradicate their culture and religion.
>Now the ironborn don't have access to the silk road or any other massive trading line that they can open up for the rest of Westeros.
They also wouldn't have a bunch o zealous powerful kingdoms trying to reconquer the islands
>doesn't make any sense for a feudal kingdom already racked with issues and instability
The effort doesn't have to come from the Iron Thrones, the Lords of the Riverlands, the Noeth and the Westerlands would be the ones doing it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
North has too much land and not enough people to be colonizing, the riverlands maybe but they don't have a fleet lol. The westerlands make the most sense but as we've seen in Westerosi history the main time the West was able to attack the Ironborn was when they were fighting among themselves after Dalton died. From what the lore has shown no single kingdom has the fleet to match the ironborn so it would require a concentrated effort of multiple kingdoms. The reach and westerlands make the most sense but I don't see why they would help each other do this and why lords deeper in the country would want to support colonising the iron islands. Why would someone on the border of the stormlands want to colonise the Iron Islands? Or The holders of the golden tooth pass in the westerlands.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't see why they would help each other do this
They don't want their lands raided by pirates >and why lords deeper in the country would want to support colonising the iron islands
Second and third sons looking for new lordships, peasants looking for opportunities
11 months ago
Anonymous
North has too much land and not enough people to be colonizing, the riverlands maybe but they don't have a fleet lol. The westerlands make the most sense but as we've seen in Westerosi history the main time the West was able to attack the Ironborn was when they were fighting among themselves after Dalton died. From what the lore has shown no single kingdom has the fleet to match the ironborn so it would require a concentrated effort of multiple kingdoms. The reach and westerlands make the most sense but I don't see why they would help each other do this and why lords deeper in the country would want to support colonising the iron islands. Why would someone on the border of the stormlands want to colonise the Iron Islands? Or The holders of the golden tooth pass in the westerlands.
I've gone over this before in some detail. I even go so far as insisting that it is a Kingdom-wide effort, to prevent anyone becoming bitter over this becoming an extension of any existing realm. The goal would be to create a new, distinct Kingdom/Lord Paramount with it's own culture that isn't IronBlack folk.
Here was what I had proposed previously: >Pyke
Westermen >Saltcliffe
Dornish >Great Wyk
Reachmen >Old Wyk
Was going to say The North but due to the religious significance of the island, perhaps it should be given to someone more zealous, maybe Thoros of Myr or an uber devout Faith of the Seven >Orkwood
Northerner >Blacktyde
Valemen? >Harlaw
Riverlanders >Lonely Light
Sistermen
It's based. Holding their hips and feeling their cheeks with your hands, feeling their coochie gripping your wiener as it slides in and out, and feeling the soft plumpness of their buttocks bounce against your thighs over and over
is being a salt wife a desirable position for a woman in Westeros around the 4th century AC?
Salt wife is a concubine at best, sex slave at worst. The position is not one of prestige or generational upward mobility.
That actually makes sense as to why she wanted it so bad.
If it would have actually helped her or her family in any way, it wouldn't appeal to her at all. If you want to interest a woman, you have to give her a way to utterly debase herself for zero benefit to herself or anybody else.
Don't ask me why, but that's what they're all into.
better than being a prostitute
he didn't pay her
booty for booty seems fair
it's not
the ironborn have slaves in anything but name
>salt wife
bed slave
>thrall
slave
anything on the iron islands apart from house goodbrother of hammerhorn is a shit show ngl
those fricks are the most moronic shitters even compared to the hill clans they're beyond dumb
>in anything but name
the viking "thrall" was just their word for slave.
>I command you to build me a fleet of 1,000 ships!
>Lives on barren islands with no trees
>*builds 1000 rafts*
>the iron fleet is ready my liege!
Frick off with these manchild terms, and stop pretending this will be as big as LOTR
what manchild terms
game of thrones shits on lord of the rings lmao go watch your magical elfs
At least that story is complete
Who knows? The world building is so shit and GRRM is such a depressed fat libshit it's impossible to tell what a good life is in Westeros. Which makes for great story telling because you sure can get invested in stories about the shitty lives of shitty people living in a shitty system they have no inclination or desire to change!
no but her father was going to beat her possibly to death the second theon left the ship for being a bawd and disrespecting him
and the fact that theon likely impregnated her without even knowing or caring
The children of salt wives are considered true Iron Islanders (the iron islands are shit so it doesn’t really matter)
you get a tax break and benefits, as per their tax policy
For Lord Theon Greyjoy? Way better than what ever the frick she was doing on her fathers boat.
Weren't captains relatively well off? You would think she would be doing something actually productive. What was she doing on the ship anyway
zig
She's not pretty, but the submissiveness and attainability is hot.
I've nutted to this several times.
what movie/show
HBO Rome
Game of Thrones season 2, episode 1 or 2.
Sopranos season 3
Spartacus
Black sails s2 somewhere in the middle. Or was that salt butt?
Better Call Saul S3E09
problem child season 2
the watchman hbo
Rings of Power
Bojack Horseman S02E08
openedhaimer s5e26 20:23 mark
Peppa Pig
How I met your mother
Her gross body is such a turn-off. But I did get aroused when Theon fingers his sister. THAT was hot.
>MAKE ME YOUR SALT WIFE
No.
like other girls in the show she was also a real life adult actress, I watched some british amatuer gangbang video and suprised to see her there
Amy Dawson? Why do people lie when a simple Google search is enough to quickly prove them wrong?
Yea kek, she's not a porn star. Silly to make that up
>His thumb brushed lightly over her full lips. "It's what those lips were made for, sweetling. If you were my salt wife, you'd do as I command."
>His climax came on him sudden as a storm, and he filled the girl's mouth with his seed. Startled, she tried to pull away, but Theon held her tight by the hair. Afterward, she crawled up beside him. >"Did I please milord?"
>"Well enough," he told her.
>"It tasted salty," she murmured.
>"Like the sea?"
>She nodded. "I have always loved the sea, milord."
bravo martin
FAT
PINK
MAST
this is literally rape
>noooo you have to sign a contract before sex signed by a notary and a judge otherwise it's rape!
legal in westeros
But where is the tax policy?
>I always looked at Middle earth and thought, yeah that's cool but what about orc rape laws? El es cutting off dicks? moronic inbred spinoffs?
they are paid with semen
This isn't even well written lol
have some John Updike plebs
>She rolls further, turning her back, cradling her bottom in his stomach and thighs. They enter a lazy space. He wants the time to stretch long, to great length and thinness. Between her legs she strokes him with her fingertips. She brings back her foot and he holds her heel. As they deepen together he feels impatience that through all their twists they remain separate flesh; he cannot dare enough, now that she is so much his friend in this search; everywhere they meet a wall. The body lacks voice to sing its own song. She floats through his blood as under his eyelids a salt smell, damp pressure, the sense of her smallness as her body hurries everywhere into his hands, her breathing, bedsprings’ creak, accidental slaps, and the ache at the parched root of his tongue each register their colors.
>“Now?” Ruth asks, her voice croaky. He kneels in a kind of sickness between her spread legs. With her help their blind loins fit. Something sad in the capture. The capture grows. He braces himself on his arms above her, afraid, for it is here he most often failed Janice, by coming too soon. Yet, what with the alcohol drifting in his system, or his coming a little before, his love is slow to burst in her warmth. He hides his face beside her throat, in the mint of her hair. With thin, thin arms she hugs him and presses him down and rises above him. From her high smooth shoulders down she is one long underbelly erect in light above him; he says in praise softly, “Hey.”
this is horribly written
>anon cautions the plebs
>the plebs being plebs are deaf to the instruction
Good job. You proved anon correct
Ehhhhh he was kind of a fetishist, I prefer Mailer's "Frick you, you stupid fricking b***h" energy if we're talking about mid century American writers.
Also you're kind of a b***h Black person because we both know the only reason you really posted this was because you wanted people to think you're smart, but you just come across as thirsty.
Updike is not exactly the kind of writer pseuds throw around to appear "smart" anon.
overwritten shit by a virgin, Theons mind is my mind when I coom in some chicks mouth. No-one thinks of this goofy incel shit in the moment.
You think of sea?
This shit made my dick soft. Do you frickers even read erotica?
Why were you hard?
That's how I roll.
Why do you want to know about his dick you fricking gay
I don't like the idea that I could be talking to sone dude with a hard on
Whoops
I got some bad news man
Fair enough. Boundaries are important. Even on anonymous anime forums
There's a lot text there describing that sex scene. Was this write by a woman.
what's updike?
this was written by a man who has not had a lot of sex
this was written by a man who has had lots of sex
>this was written by a man who has not had a lot of sex
So you admit to writing it
How come George R. R. Martin know what sperm tastes like?
Every guy has tasted his sperm at some point
gay
Is touching your own dick gay?
No anon you're a homosexual
wow those other guys who replied are kidding themselves. yes every guy has tasted his own brand.
I heard he swallowed his own load
I tasted mine I didn't like it
this
By talking to a woman you fricking virgin
No anon you're gay
You two tards need to lurk moar
how do you think anon? women? google? middleschool knowledge? you're the homosexual here honestly for assuming a human that can talk and read needs to suck a dick to arrive to some knowledge basis
every one knows it taste like salty coins and milk
Seed kino
>"It tasted salty," she murmured.
>"Like the sea?"
>She nodded. "I have always loved the sea, milord."
Grrm confirmed virgin too fat to frick
Love prostitutes. Simple as.
My man.
I hate women so much it's unreal.
>daddy i got my first acting role haha!
You actually think they have dads?
imagine cumming in some bawd then in 20 years you find out she has a hot little daughter that grew up to be a hot little bawd on screen - a gift you gave to the world without even knowing
Judging by the posh double surname she probably got her daddy to pay for acting school rather than get a real job.
they are fatherless, Anon
I've coomed so many times to soogs
All prostitutes, trannies, pedos, gays, etc are either fatherless, or have a bad relationship with him.
nope, some of us have great relationships with our fathers
just not our mothers
This.
Not this.
>daddy I want to be an actress!
It's over by the time she says that
What an incel this guy was. As Sandor and Daario both mention, it's pointless to frick a girl who doesn't want to be fricked. She took his coin but was fricking Daario's Big Tyroshi wiener on the side
He came in that puss whenever he wanted. Incel spotted
>it's pointless to frick a girl who doesn't want to be fricked. She took his coin
The point I'm assuming for a soldier marching for three weeks is to cum? Probably why he paid. This isn't the deep philosophical comment you think it is.
Fug
How did this gigachad die? I liked him better than that gay dario.
Kek the only Incel is you
died off screen, we were robbed
They don't love you. They think you're an ugly midget Tyrion.
ayy im currently rewatching s1-4 and s2 is much better than I remember.
In my head it was the "season most different from the books and dany is in that weird city half the season", but its really like 5% of screen time
Emilia had just had a brain hemorrhage after S1 so they probably tried to limit her screentime as best they could.
S2 is her worst acting by far because of it.
Season 1 best.
i still would, even now
Something about her eyes changed after S1.
After the aneurysm she had seen the horrors that await on the other side.
She looks like Neal McDonough.
So what you're saying is that she's unacceptably handsome.
Good Lord she porked up.
>Caloreesi
S1 Dany is what Ciri should have looked like including the ass and breasts
caloreesi, i kneel
>Dun wan it
>Dou ghnu tit
>doughnut it
Season 4 and 5 looks insanely beautiful
Even though I like them on the younger side, I think Emilia Clarke's beauty peaked at Season 3.
Weight gain aside you can see how little they start to care as the seasons develop.
1 has the most effort, starts dwindling a bit by 2-4 and then freefalls
They used to put eyeshadow in her, mascara, that thing that made her cheeks pink, by 6 and 7 it's literally just the wig.
>that thing that made her cheeks pink
blush
no homo
A bad wig at that. The only time she was hot after s1 was picrel.
Yeah for some reason I only really respected her after she burned KL down. I don't know why usually I object to wholesale slaughter but something about her whole arc, it felt right. At that moment I wanted her to win.
How come he never showed her his dragon?
Viserys was an impotent homosexual.
He sold his sister, he sold his crown, his dignity
He came to the world believing he was owned an easy life, and when that didn't happen he refused to budge even as reality crashed into him
I wonder what color targ pubes are. If they're white that's kinda cringe
blonde to white
unless they're strong then brown
definition of dumpy
definition of yummy
>Emilia had just had a brain hemorrhage after S1 so they probably tried to limit her screentime as best they could.
>S2 is her worst acting by far because of it.
I looked it up.
Good god almighty how is she alive?
She had TWO aneurysms, must have been awful.
What the frick, how is she even alive + not horrifically brain damaged
No idea, genuinely feel for her ngl.
Probably being super rich hbo project helps a lot
Interestingly I didn't knew about it until got was over. I'm glad she made it. I blew lots of loads to her. I still find her sex even tho she aging badly but 2 brain surgery would age anyone.
I wish her the best
She started her own charity to help people who have gone through things like that, aneurysms and stuff
It's called "still you" or something
She is the sweetest person on the planet
>brain hemorrhage
What the frick?
Aneurysm
Early vax enjoyer huh
>Dark hair
>Big nose
>Dark brown eyes
I love this aesthetic.
wtf her head is gigantic
That dude has the hands of a laborer.
cute
nick cave is a chick?
that's a man
Absolute tragedy.
her titanic easter island head is literally almost larger than her torso wtf
No thanks
mournful fricking breasts
Titmind.
IIRC she had disappointing breasts
Ugly girls work harder to impress you
I had a dowdy looking accountant eat my ass unprompted
Always hoped that she’d had a child from this Cena with Theon at about the time he’s castrated she gives birth because pottery and that she’d rock up to pyke and show him or her to yara who’d be ok with the idea of Theon’s child being lord reaver of the iron islands if the rest of the iron born voted for it at a kinsmoot, that by rescuing yara and fighting and dying heroically against the night king Theon had finally earnt their respect and his child would rule like Theon himself should have if balon hadn’t fricked everyone’s life up
Salty because semen?
Your semen is salty anon? Get checked out...
ritard
>look dad I'm acting
she's crazy now
Women are gross and I'm moving ever closer to breaking the chains of societal scourn that regards me as less of a man for not kowtowing to females.
They used fake CGI nipples on at least some of the actresses for GoT. It should be illegal.
What does this add to a story. It's just pornography at this point.
Sexposition, he says some stuff about the ironborn's raiding traditions and salt wives iirc.
They are talking the whole time during the scene. It expands on Theon's character at that moment: he's a womanizer, all about getting pleasure for himself, doesn't have much empathy, doesn't give a shit what will happen to this girl once he leaves the ship, he's been with the Starks his whole life but doesn't feel like he's one of them and now he's very excited to meet his ironborn family and be a part of his "true family". And yes, people watch the show for sex/nudity. The scene is accomplishing both things at once.
Due to the scene, once Theon gets to shore it's no surprise that he immediately starts hitting on the woman who offers to bring him to the castle. Then it's all the more interesting when she turns out to be his sister, and far from the joyful welcome party Theon expected, his father is disgusted by him, his clothing, and his attitude.
Yeah his sister ratted him out and also let him fingerbang her
is this the only sex scene that actually is from the books in the whole series
I don't mind *sex* in the series by but HBO's "sexy" sex scenes were just cringe. Especially turning Ramsey into a sexy character with a sexy girlfriend
that was beyond moronic
>implying
Porn has to be at least fappable
>t. someone who has never advanced their own plot with sex
The butterfaces are the best fricks.
Only because they're desperate and you don't care if you never see them again.
Doesn't make them any less fun to shoot a load into
She is a child
How crazy? Constantly getting her torpedoes breasts out online crazy?
There's something cringe about this scene, I cant explain.
Yeah it's called rape.
she's smiling
They're kinda overacting. Especially the thrusts
Imagine the size of it now.
Back in college, I got in a car with this girl from high school cause we were in the the same class and had studied in the library. We also pick up this fat chick. She's like "oh hey anon!" I have no clue who she is. I finally understand that she's this other girl from high school who blew up like crazy. But she knows that I didn't recognize her because she got fat and keeps asking "why didn't you recognize me??" I say that I'm bad at remembering people from high school. The original girl is a bro and backs me up, saying I didn't recognize her either at first. But we all know, it's cause she got real fat.
*BRAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP*
nice ass
she is the true GoT fugfu
Smirkfu's don't actually look that bad here. I don't get the hate from virgins.
mournful breasts
Women would rather be saltwives for some rich butthole than be with you, incel.
what in the heck is a salt wife?
semen wife
>On the way to the castle, Theon pulls the horse over and fricks her on the side of the road. She still doesn't tell him she's his sister until they arrive
Why is grrm so obsessed with incest
Incest = wincest
That's the point in the book series a decade ago where I thought, why the frick is this pervert writing this?
>a israelite
it's a fricking mystery
>He is predominantly of Irish descent;[17] a DNA test on the series Finding Your Roots showed him to be 53.6% "British and Irish", 22.4% Ashkenazi israeli, and 15.6% "Broadly Northwestern European".
So less than a quarter is enough to seethe now? Good to know.
he's amerimutt and therefor has a cut dick so he's more israelite than anything.
Ashkenazi israelites are more fricked in the head than other israelites, ashkenazi ancestry overrides other ancestry so having 22% counts as being about 72% percent israelite
cus he copies everything from medieval European history
because it's stunning and powerful
>and at no point does she resist. Ever. Not even a little bit.
It amazes me how idiots will blatantly lie as if we can't fact check within seconds.
She only jerked him off.
Nah, Theon is jerked off by his sister. The girl in OP's post is the daughter of the ship captain taking him to the Iron Isles
Call me a pleb, but I'd rather read poorly-written sex by an attractive person versus well-written sex by an unattractive people.
Like, I am living your gross pig-sex experiences second hand instead of attractive sex
That woman should've been Lily Allen to make this scene hot
This thumbnail looks like a cross between Liv Tyler and Alanis Morissette.
I wish I was man enough to have a concubine
in addition to your wife? or just one woman that's only a concubine
I just want a woman to have sex with I don't even know what a concubine is
she looks like a slightly more moronic aella girl.
How can women even compete?
Great body, I wish I was fricked by him.
god damn
very nice
Gross, what the frick. Go back to /b/.
ill never forgive them for making Loras a bawd
This show had too much gay homosexual bullshit, but you gotta please the fujos and queers I guess cuz they're the main ones who consoom.
god I miss old, pre-woke HBO
HBO is past its prime otherwise it wouldn't rely on ESG shekels so much. Let it die.
kino. What is this from
A sketch from the UK Comic Relief.
Misfits season 5, Theon did a cheeky cameo.
>GoT
>When HotD exists
Rangz of Power was bad bro, you don't have to pretend to like HotD anymore.
HotD had a couple of bizarre things and the black Velaryons but overall the characters were interesting, sets good, plots worked, and the costumes were miles above GoT (outside of S1)
HotD S1 was arguably better than peak GoT, at least for me. I think the show benefits enormously from good talent and a more focused story, instead of telling 12 different stories in 1-hour chunks.
>HotD S1 was arguably better than peak GoT
Holy frick. You're actually tasteless
GoT's cast was a real mixed bag, but most of Cinemaphile wound up hating the Starks and getting attached to certain characters. Stannis was based, sure. But who liked 8 seasons of Jon Snow? Arya Stark? Even Dany got shit on here. It was simping for villains, weebs, and trve Stannisbros. I feel the things that made Stannis interesting (line of succession, right to rule, law and order) are prevalent in HotD and it's a more interesting time on the continent, when there are many dragons. The cast is phenomenal throughout, there's no weakness whatsoever, the writing is very good. I really can't see why anyone would prefer GoT. More breasts?
I prefer GoT's color grading and lighting.
it's subdued.
Subdued from visibility.
monke
>HotD cast is better than GoT
By whose standards? Yours?
Throughout what? 8 episodes?
Baring that
It was considered lacklustre and on par with a soap opera. There was minimal character development and an unsatisfying plot which skipped through large swathes of the source material, several arcs just kinda abandoned and inconsistent characters. You really are just a a tasteless moron.
>minimal character development
i'd say the exact opposite, it was over 8 hours about a very specific group of people. i learned about them, i figured out what they like and don't like. i got in their heads.
>unsatisfying plot
subjective assessment
>skipped through source
well, i don't read those books by George Rail Road Martin. I don't have time for his particular brand of scatological low-fantasy setting in high-fantasy world.
>subjective assessment
This Black person thinks anything he said was objective
>i learned about them, i figured out what they like and don't like. i got in their heads.
Ok, and? That's not what character development means
>that's just like your opinion bro
No. It's a fact. It failed to deliver a climax or an endpoint that wasn't cheap or basic. You being unable to see that doesn't make me wrong
>having poorly stitched together continuity and pacing is actually good because the thing it's based on 1:1 is shit
You just proved my point, lol
You having no clue what makes a show good doesn't make me wrong.
>hotd is better than /got/ with magical living Black person man
Frick off moron. laenor living literally breaks the lore because of dragonbonds. Either they have to break the lore, or Laenor is going to come back on his dragon in some EPIC SAVE scene.
It's shit, it's schlock and you're not going to convince anyone since watching the show destroys your arguments.
you just sound assmad about deviations from canon, deviations mind you that grrm himself no doubt approved.
I AM NOT MAD! I know he swapped those ballot results for the Emmys. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at Price Waterhouse Accounting to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This mummer's farce? He's done worse. The wedding! Are you telling me that Criston Cole, a literal who hedge knight of Dornish extraction publicly beat the Groom's best friend and lover to death in the middle of a Royal Wedding Ceremony...and he got away with it without any explanation? The jumpcut... Did anyone even see anything in episode 7's black screen? Or believe that Rhaenys killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent civilians at the Dragonpit only to spare the Greens who orchestrated everything makes her a strong girlboss? No! *He* didn't even care about it! GEORGIE! He had Daenerys defecate all the way to Qarth like he defecates over respectable literature! And I watched and read everything. And I shouldn't have. I took them into my own library and Plex server! What was I *thinking*? He'll never finish aSoIaF! He'll never change. He'll *never* change! Ever since he was a boy in Bayonne, NJ *always* the same! Couldn't help himself from killing turtles and missing deadlines! But not our GEORGIE! Couldn't be precious GEORGIE! Stealing Better Call Saul and Succession of their awards blind! And HotD gets to win all the Emmys and Golden Globes? What a foul jest!
>"Dad, I've made it! I'm going to be a star! Have you heard of Game of Thrones!?"
Lady Johanna Lannister was right, every Ir*nborn should have been sold to slavers and those shit-stained islands should have been left desert.
That's fricking moronic. The Islands aren't that worthless. They should have been colonized by the rest of the Seven Kingdoms and led by a bunch of second sons and heroes of the conflict, just like a Crusade.
They can replant forests, cultivate hardy crops, fish, and work the mines.
it really doesn't make sense they didn't do this
all of the same Ironborn houses are in control of their same territories and are able field another invasion fleet less than two decades later
they should've been executed, sent to various parts of the other kingdoms, made to take the black and then resettled by fisherman, miners, and farmers from other kingdoms with lords moving in.
Their entire cultural after centuries or millennia of them doing the same shit should've been wiped out. It's not like anyone would've cared
If you send new people in they get converted by the cthululu demon anyways, that's what happened when Andals conquered the island
only if they get assimilated
so have them outnumber the natives and deport or kill most of them
if there's some spooky shit going on that makes people convert then who knows but a few Andals settling on the island isn't a good example
>but a few Andals settling on the island isn't a good example
It's very telling in fact, because Andals back then were often religious fanatics for the Seven, so for them to convert to the Chtululu religion is mighty odd
yeah but they had just come on the wave of a continent-wide series of conquests and arrived on a dirt poor collection of islands at the end of the world
maybe the raiding culture of the ironborn made sense to them at the time
They were a very superstitious people that landed on the Islands and found a spooky oily black stone throne. The same circumstances wouldn't be repeated.
>If you send new people in they get converted by the cthululu demon anyways
If you are replacing all the upper ruling caste, why do you think what little "clergy" of the Ironborn wouldn't also be replaced? Or as others have suggested forcibly resettle their peasants as well and have the islands repopulated from anyone willing to settle it.
>why do you think what little "clergy" of the Ironborn wouldn't also be replaced?
why do you think they would be?
Because eradicating Ironborn culture is the reason you are doing this entire endeavor, why would you not also kill their priests of which they don't seem to have many, and drag Naga's bones back to the Red Keep with the Dragon Skulls?
good luck finding all the priests on all the islands
great wyk alone is the size of ireland, and see how well england's attempts to suppress catholicism went there. and that's with a religion where they have churches they stay in, instead of being nomads on multiple islands.
good fricking luck lol, no wonder it didn't happen
Targcucks couldn't even hold their own throne for 300 years
>good luck finding all the priests on all the islands
You could feasibly replace ALL the Ironborn on the islands, they were thinly peopled
>great wyk alone is the size of ireland
Bullshit
>good fricking luck lol, no wonder it didn't happen
It didn't happen because Robert is a lazy shit and let them all bend the knee.
lol thinly peopled, good luck explaining the logistics of that when the targcucks couldn't even do that to the Dornish who live in a literal desert
my points stand, if england couldn't successfully suppress catholicism in ireland, good luck trying to do the same with drowned godism in the iron islands (you'll need it because it didn't happen, cuck)
targs were fricking morons, no wonder they lasted half as long as the freys
>good luck explaining the logistics of that when the targcucks couldn't even do that to the Dornish who live in a literal desert
First off, the Dornish still outnumber the Ironborn.
Secondly, the Dornish had a much wider territory from which they could hide.
Thirdly, all the wars of Dornish Resistance were completely fricking moronic and nonsensical and collapse under any logical scrutiny whatsoever. George wanted some plucky freedom fighters in his work and he forgot that in the type of setting he chose, freedom fighters get their village massacred until they stop revolting or are all dead.
>my points stand, if england couldn't successfully suppress catholicism in ireland, good luck trying to do the same with drowned godism in the iron islands
If you notice, no one suggested trying to force convert the populace. They suggested killing and replacing the populace.
>Dornish still outnumber the Ironborn
not according to Doran Martell who says they have fewer people lol
the rest of your post has been disregarded, ergo:
my points stand, if england couldn't successfully suppress catholicism in ireland, good luck trying to do the same with drowned godism in the iron islands (you'll need it because it didn't happen, cuck)
targs were fricking morons, no wonder they lasted half as long as the freys
your fantasy of how it should have played out didn't happen, cope
>not according to Doran Martell
They have twice the population of the Iron Islands
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/06/the-population-of-the-seven-kingdoms/#:~:text=Using%20a%20combination%20of%20these,and%2078%20million%20in%201300.
The rest of your post has been disregarded, ergo:
The Ironborn would be holocausted
>blog
LOL
meanwhile Doran Martell:
>"Dorne is the least populous of the Seven Kingdoms." - AFFC
and the Seven Kingdoms according to GRRM:
>the rock, the isles, the north, the reach, the stormlands, dorne, mountain and vale
TOP KEK you cucked yourself again
the rest of your post has been disregarded, ergo:
my points stand, if england couldn't successfully suppress catholicism in ireland, good luck trying to do the same with drowned godism in the iron islands (you'll need it because it didn't happen, cuck)
targs were fricking morons, no wonder they lasted half as long as the freys
your fantasy of how it should have played out didn't happen, cope
Doran is a senile old man. Dorne is much larger than the Iron Isles and contains much more land suited to dense human habitation.
Not him but he's right. Dorne was more populated in its past but not anymore. Entire settlements are getting abandoned due to wells drying up. The dry desert is not ideal for a dense population especially when the most vital resource is depleting.
The writing was the issue. If they just stuck with the books they'd be fine but they didn't
Top tier bait. HOTD will never compare to my headcanon version
>that Hugo Vance line in KL solos all of HOTD
>The dry desert is not ideal for a dense population
Which is why everyone lives on the coast and the River Rhoyne.
the Rhoyne is in Essos
The Greenblood, I mean. Their "New" River Rhoyne.
Targs were torn apart by The Dance. That's the defining moment when they go from an unbeatable dynasty to one in serious decline.
There is also the suggestion that inbreeding would do them in, absent a rebellion.
>unbeatable dynasty
They were already beaten by Dorne several times.
They were morons who got lucky with three large dragons. Their own homosexualry and the Dance just made everyone notice.
Well, yes, the dragons are gamechangers, and they're fundamentally despots. They're extremely effective despots though. Also, no one would call Jaehaerys I a moron, and I really doubt Aegon and his sisters were moronic either. It takes intelligence to mount an effective campaign, which they did essentially alone, even when you have WMD. You need to know how and when to deploy them.
It was inbreeding that made them crazy and stupid, and it was power that made them complacent.
>effective
>last half as long as the freys
lol ok
Using dragons against conventional troops doesn't take a genius.
He wasn't really a good leader, he got lucky due to having three massive dragons. He couldn't properly administrate or govern Westeros, he failed to create a bureaucracy or courts to facilitate Tagaryen rule, he failed to establish a functional absolute monarchy by instead relying on the Lords Paramount to gather their own taxes, administer the laws in the absence of royal officers and effectively act as petty kings, he failed to supply the royal house with adequate lands for incomes, he failed to conquer Dorne, and he basically set up the "dracocracy" system that would lead to shit like the Dance of the Dragons, the Blackfyre Rebellions, and the ultimate end of House Targaryen less than 300 years later.
He was a lucky mofo, but ultimately suffered from either poor leadership skills or hyper-focus on the powers of dragons.
Yeah why didn't EUropeans just do that to the muslim corsairs for 800 years.
It's not as easy as you're pretending. A feudal society does not have the capacity.
>Yeah why didn't EUropeans just do that to the muslim corsairs for 800 years.
Because they tried to be good Catholics and just convert them. If the French just killed all of the Algerians and repopulated it with colonists then it would still be a French state today.
>It's not as easy as you're pretending. A feudal society does not have the capacity.
It worked fairly well for Jerusalem, and that wasn't an effort sponsored by a monolithic unified feudal Kingdom.
Europeans invaded North Africa multiple times and got fricked after early successes. You do know that France in the 1800's wasn't a feudal society anymore?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tangier_(1437)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Tunis_(1569)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Tunis_(1574)
You can find many more examples
>It worked fairly well for Jerusalem
No it really didn't. The first crusade succeeded because of infighting between seljuk emirs and because the Fatamids and Seljuks hated each other. After this was sorted the Kingdom of Jerusalem was on a constant backpedal, struggled heavily with manpower issues and was reliant on giving generous concessions to latin communities (venize, piza genoa) in trade rights and land for constant resupply. Now the ironborn don't have access to the silk road or any other massive trading line that they can open up for the rest of Westeros. The citystates that are based around maritime commerce are on the other side of Westeros. It doesn't make any sense for a feudal kingdom already racked with issues and instability (like controlling the 7 kingdoms who resist the monarchy) to be able to maintain a concentrated colonization effort over hundreds of years.
>No it really didn't
Stopped reading there. They conquered some far away land surrounded by powerful enemies and where the colonists never surpased 15% of the population and held onto to it for a century. They idea the akingdom of Jerusalem wasn't succesful is some historically illiterate nonsense.
The only reason they weren't annihilated at Antioach was because the muslim Emirs betrayed Kerbogha wanting to lower his prestige because the crusaders weren't considered a serious threat. After Antioch the Seljuk Emirs supported the Crusaders with goods and food to invade the Fatamids in Jerusalem instead of harassing or attacking them. After Almaric the kingdom was in perpetual decline.
Maybe pick up a book instead of just using result based analysis.
I didn't say medieval, I said feudal. Are you going to say Europe wasn't mostly feudal states in 1400's and 1500s? Also you're seriously going to try claim that the holy roman empire marshaling the resources of Italy , Spain, Portugal and the Germany isn't a massive effort of conquest? Their goal was to rid the seas of corsairs by conquering their homes. and they weren't friendly about it. They just lost in the end because the Ottomans supported the muslims and the French supported the Ottomans because they were surrounded by Charles V.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Tunis_(1535)
>The only reason they weren't annihilated is blah blah
All of history can be described like this
>result based analysis
>for Human history
Man you're dumb lmao
>the crusaders weren't considered a serious threat
Sounds like a mistake on their part
It was, however if you read that you'll find out the Seljuk emirs betrayed Kerbogha. Kerbogha suffered heavy losses and was unable to hold power over the other emirs anymore.
>The Renaissance and the Enlightenment brought about an end to the feudal system, as they both promoted a move towards liberty and individual rights, and questioned the traditional forms of authority.
Yes anon and when did the Enlightenment start. Frick me you're reading that backwards hahaha. Like this isn't even up for debate, most of europe was feudal in 1400's and early 1500's. Just googling the renaissance and not being able to read doesn't disprove that.
>They don't want their lands raided by pirates
As Charles V found out, it costs more to stop the raiding by conquering.
>peasants looking for opportunities
Lords don't want their peasants leaving their land. That's their workforce.
>Second and third sons looking for new lordships
Well they can fund the trip then.
>Second and third sons looking for new lordships
>Well they can fund the trip then
Sure they could, and they probably should have.
And honestly they wouldn't really need a whole lot of peasants with them, the problem with the Iron Islands are the people in charge. Once the culture of the elites is replaced, the native smallfolk would work just fine.
>Lords don't want their peasants leaving their land
I would asume in Westeros that peasants are tied to their direct Lord, who in this case would be the one moving, not the ultimate authority in the kingdom
None of this is either true OR relevant to the discussion as it has been well established to be completely irrelevant to the circumstances in ASoIaF, with is a monolithic UNIFIED Kingdom
>Now it's a massive drain of wealth as you have to maintain this overseas colony and have to keep funding soldiers to garrison. And then send more when more serious problems rise up
You have repeatedly ignored this, and I want you to address it directly. I ship all their Thralls to Westeros and I kill all the Ironborn. New Lords are created and they are responsible for developing the lands to be as prosperous as they can be.
I want you to formulate a coherent argument for why this is not a viable solution.
>with is a monolithic UNIFIED Kingdom
Anon ... I. I mean what? No it isn't. It's literally called the 7 kingdoms with their own cultural and geographical flavors. The Targaryens don't see westerosi culture as superior to Ironborn they're both 2 flavors of the same fruit for them so if the ironborn accept their rule why would they stomp them out?
And the Baratheons are literally not running a unified kingdom, Robert is constantly on the look for usurpers and we're told many times targ loyalists remain. Balon banks on this for his rebellion, however Robert is still able to pull together a large army, that doesn't mean he could sustain a colonization effort for 50 years.
>Anon ... I. I mean what? No it isn't. It's literally called the 7 kingdoms
And none of them are independent. Thus, unified.
You can't just force everyone to do what you say. The king can't do as he likes. This is what happens multiple times in the franchise. The reason you're moronic idea doesn't work is because it's moronic. The ironborn are not a big enough threat or hated enough for the entity of westeros to embark on a campaign of genocide.
>The ironborn are not a big enough threat or hated enough for the entity of westeros to embark on a campaign of genocide.
Many were calling for exactly that after the Ironborn were defeated, that was what brought about this entire discussion. The notion of replacing the entire upper echelons of Ironborn society at the very least was very much a possibility. And then you have figures like Tywin who have proven very willing to engage in genocide.
>The ironborn are not a big enough threat or hated enough for the entity of westeros to embark on a campaign of genocide.
They are and in any other setting they'd would've been exterminated.
Imagine if England was the home of almost every single pirate that scourged to coasts of Western Europe. Imagine they were a sorta unified kingdom and so were France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Norway and Denmark.
Now imagine that England regularly raids and wages war against all these countries.
They're zero reason why Westeros wouldn't make a coalition to kill off every single Ironborn when they've showed themselves to be the bane of civilization
England and France literally raided each other for hundreds of years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Channel_naval_campaign,_1338%E2%80%931339
Get a room already gays
>Are you going to say Europe wasn't mostly feudal states in 1400's and 1500s?
>The Renaissance and the Enlightenment brought about an end to the feudal system, as they both promoted a move towards liberty and individual rights, and questioned the traditional forms of authority.
1500s is firmly within the Renaissance.
>They just lost in the end because the Ottomans supported the muslims and the French supported the Ottomans
Sounds an awful lot like it's not even remotely comparable to the North, Westerlands, Reach, Riverlands, Vale, Crownlands, Stormlands, and Dorne invading the Iron Isles after their military power was already crushed by Stannis.
> it's not even remotely comparable to the North, Westerlands, Reach, Riverlands, Vale, Crownlands, Stormlands, and Dorne invading the Iron Isles after their military power was already crushed by Stannis.
Forgot to respond to this part. Bro why would all these people want to stay? That's the problem. You come in with an army, you conquer and then ... most of the army leaves. Now it's a massive drain of wealth as you have to maintain this overseas colony and have to keep funding soldiers to garrison. And then send more when more serious problems rise up.
I don't know why you think this is even remotely equivalent. 1500s is no longer medieval, and it's small scale conflicts between powers on opposite sides of a sea which are culturally and religiously distinct.
The scenario in game of thrones is more like if all of Western Europe was one Kingdom, and Sweden and Norway would not cease their viking Black persony despite being vassals to the greater Kingdom. The rest of Europe jointly invades them due to rebellion, and is then faced with the decision to eradicate their culture and religion.
>Now the ironborn don't have access to the silk road or any other massive trading line that they can open up for the rest of Westeros.
They also wouldn't have a bunch o zealous powerful kingdoms trying to reconquer the islands
>doesn't make any sense for a feudal kingdom already racked with issues and instability
The effort doesn't have to come from the Iron Thrones, the Lords of the Riverlands, the Noeth and the Westerlands would be the ones doing it.
North has too much land and not enough people to be colonizing, the riverlands maybe but they don't have a fleet lol. The westerlands make the most sense but as we've seen in Westerosi history the main time the West was able to attack the Ironborn was when they were fighting among themselves after Dalton died. From what the lore has shown no single kingdom has the fleet to match the ironborn so it would require a concentrated effort of multiple kingdoms. The reach and westerlands make the most sense but I don't see why they would help each other do this and why lords deeper in the country would want to support colonising the iron islands. Why would someone on the border of the stormlands want to colonise the Iron Islands? Or The holders of the golden tooth pass in the westerlands.
>I don't see why they would help each other do this
They don't want their lands raided by pirates
>and why lords deeper in the country would want to support colonising the iron islands
Second and third sons looking for new lordships, peasants looking for opportunities
I've gone over this before in some detail. I even go so far as insisting that it is a Kingdom-wide effort, to prevent anyone becoming bitter over this becoming an extension of any existing realm. The goal would be to create a new, distinct Kingdom/Lord Paramount with it's own culture that isn't IronBlack folk.
Here was what I had proposed previously:
>Pyke
Westermen
>Saltcliffe
Dornish
>Great Wyk
Reachmen
>Old Wyk
Was going to say The North but due to the religious significance of the island, perhaps it should be given to someone more zealous, maybe Thoros of Myr or an uber devout Faith of the Seven
>Orkwood
Northerner
>Blacktyde
Valemen?
>Harlaw
Riverlanders
>Lonely Light
Sistermen
Iron islands are an absolute shithole. Why would any sane person stay there. Why wouldn't you just book it for the mainland first chance you got
Post the Braavosi Sansa getting her breasts yanked out webm. She was a dimepiece.
Nobody likes women bud, you just have to keep them around for fricking.
>Why, yes, I obviously have lots of awesome and titillating sex with hot babes all the time.
He certainly does now.
Winds of winter is like blood borne on pc
I got the reference.
Would you put it on your wife's RAV4?
The Drowned God is the only true god
The ironborn are the master race destined to rule the world
Greendlanders are too soft and effeminate
That looks like a uterus
Theon was a horndog. Wasn't picky at all, the captains daughter, ros the prostitute and his own sister. Theon was ready to frick em all.
Would he frick Ramsey's girlfriend?
To his credit he was turned off when he realized who his sister was. I'm even more of a sex pest because if that was my sis I'd deffo frick her.
Winds of Winter when?
What’s it like having sex doggystyle
like a bag of salt
It's nice cause you can hold their hips and really go to pound town, also good position for hair pulling.
It's based. Holding their hips and feeling their cheeks with your hands, feeling their coochie gripping your wiener as it slides in and out, and feeling the soft plumpness of their buttocks bounce against your thighs over and over
Theon really needed his dick cut off, that girl was gross.
She's described as very ugly in the books too. What's that like? Being cast for a role explicitly meant to be ugly?
Ugly people know they are ugly. Or they are narcissists.
She got paid to be in GoT, whereas I toil in obscurity. Who's winning?
You for not having your uglyness broadcast
I need to make someone my wife