>make "Spider-Man for everyone"
>4 times fewer people show up than for the "three Peter Parkers movie" (that didn't even release in China)
>international audiences don't care for it at all and show up in record low numbers
>domestically "guy-leaning at 63%, with 61% between 18-34 and the biggest demo turnout being 18-24 year olds at 40%. 34% Latino and Hispanic, 27% Caucasian, 22% Black and 17% Asian/other."
>meanwhile No Way Home "The 18-34 demo is 70% with men under 25 at 38% (97% grade), men over 25 at 25% (96% grade), women under 25 at 22% (95% grade) and women over 25 at 15% (now a 92% grade) diversity demos are 32% Caucasian, 30% Latino and Hispanic, 17% Black and 14% Asian."
>basically identical racial demographics except fewer white people showed up
What went wrong?
Why do more people domestically and worldwide care more about Peter Parker than their own personalized Spider-Man? Representation is important
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Animated comic book movies have always flopped. This is the first massive success out of all of them the last 40 years.
ATSV is yet to outgross the Z-lister Big Hero 6 movie, not even adjusted for inflation
Maybe wait until it's even been out a month?
>Twitter tourist doesn't know how weekly drops work
And yet it continues to be the top movie the last 3 weeks. It will continue to make millions for the rest of the summer, too. Sorry if that upsets you.
>it's #1
>don't look at the actual numbers though!!
Well in its third weekend alone it was about 25 million domestically. Lets see how it does this weekend, most likely the same. Again, sorry if this upsets you.
>Most likely same
Try again Black person
Maybe wait until the weekend finishes? Sorry if this upsets you.
>chanting a mantra repeatedly as if it will somehow manifest your reality headcanon
The ultimate cope lmao
We will get the numbers tomorrow. Hopefully you won't be to upset again.
>he did it again
Genuinely mindbroken
Wow it hasn't even beaten big hero 6? I don't ever want anybody pretending people actually give a shit about this spiderverse shit anymore....take away the animation which could go to far better shit than this and what is left? An annoying black smug zoomer homosexual SoundCloud rapper blatant race swap in the guise of "oh but he's a separate character" which is just further confirmed to be agenda driven shit when they shove this trans poster garbage in the film ..frick you
>getting this bloody pressed about a poster in the background of a 30 second shot
How thin skinned can you people get?
I am sure you'd be ok if there was a swastika instead of communist pedophiles flag.
You’re spreading misinformation. Phantasm failed for a number of reasons that had ZERO to do with it being an animated superhero movie.
>Rushed production of 8 months
>Originally planned for home video but then switched to theatrical very late in production
>Shit marketing. It got one trailer which said nothing of the story and showed nothing to get people interested.
>Released on Christmas against much bigger movies
>Didn’t screen it for critics
>Theaters only showed it during the day
production of 8 months
man oh man, leave it to WB, they didn't even learn after the TDK Trilogy revived the franchise.
production of 8 months
Thats sad to think they could produce this in 8 months and modern artists and animators could never go back to this style due to spending all their time on noodle arms and bean mouths.
>he thinks Black personverse isn't just another version of bean mouths and noodle arms
>He can't read
>What went wrong?
Indian Spider-Man
American Africans are appealing to no one except for the mentally ill.
Its a cartoon anon, cartoons draw less people
Mario just made 1.3 billion earlier this year, anon
SMB was the tentpole of the Mario franchise. Spiderverse movies are spin-offs, not flagships/tentpoles.
>The first ever Mario Movie
>Tentpole of the Franchise
What the frick is wrong with people?
It's not a fricking spinoff is what I'm getting at, moron. It is obviously going to be the first in dozens of new Nintendo movies.
>Mario bros is a tent pole film guaranteed to succeed!
Yes, made by a studio that has churned out dozens of 9 figure grossing animated movies.
It helps that they made an actual Mario movie instead of Blade Runner/Max Headroom with dinosaur imagery.
It came out when there was absolutely nothing else for at least a month.
All of Spider-Verse's competition is catastrophically bombing and yet Spider-Verse is still plateauing at the box office. Especially overseas.
No, it's underperforming overseas.
See
Where is it?
pretty massive cope if you look at the box office for any section of this year. daily, weekly, monthly, worldwide all have at least 1-2 animated features dominating them. i don't know why people are so dismissive of animation like this to the point of lying.
aren't cartoons all about drawing people?
Do low IQ morons just watch movies constantly thinking about box office numbers and diversity and shit?
yes.
as much is Cinemaphile pride itself being contrarian non-npc they are weirdly obsessive about box office numbers and ratings.
I mean not really? It’s just some homosexual OP that always brings up the figures like someone cares, and then anons just point out every thread how no one gives a shit. Either that or someone obviously baiting by responding to criticisms with low effort
>That’s not what the box office numbers say, chud
Black folk here will really see chud used in an argument and think they’re not getting baited
The point of the thread is representation being a meme that's still pushed on everyone regardless
>dude i drink coffee every day ironically, it's not like i like it or anything.
>Ignore the entirety of the post
>Continue to act like a homosexual
Nice talking to you, have a nice day soon
>this character is JUST LIKE ME
This is an npc test. Anyone who says anything like this should not be considered a real person.
Nonwhites are indoctrinated by israelites to be incapable of empathizing with anyone other than themselves, so that someday all the non-whites will join together and violently slaughter all white people (which is what all israelites want to happen). An obstacle to this is that Black folk are so uncontrollably violent that they can’t stop killing Asians.
...If you're slobbing on his wiener, it's not really cucking anymore.
It's just a threesome with two gay guys and a straight girl.
wh*tes and Black folk are two very gay races, yes
>let's cast the biggest net possible and pander to every conceivable demographic we can think of
shit like this feels more cynical than the reverse, they dont give a shit about any of these people they supposedly represent they just want to draw in the biggest crowd of dumbasses
Peter was this working class dude who struggled with his finances and relationships like most people in the world. He lost his father figure to crime at 15 years old and stepped up to help his mother figure with the bills. Dude ended up in a single mother household overnight. He had global appeal. People of all races could relate to him just fine through his struggles and background. Not through something superficial like the color of his skin.
This was a big gripe I had with Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, he’s all coddled and has iron man backing him up and building him billion dollar super suits. Even the fact that MJ and the fat one know he’s Spider-Man and are part of his little “team” helping him out are annoying. Was happy with the no way home ending where they wiped all that clean and he’s totally alone in some shitty apartment
Comic Peter wasn’t alone either. He had plenty of friends and girlfriends. He was never an outcast, just a regular dude going through life.
He wasn't alone but he did actively pushed people away in order to be alone. Not in an emo way. It was his hot head, short temper, ego and his attemptto keeo everyone around him safe. But this honesty and drive is what attracted people to him. Gwen for example, was blown off repeatedly while everyone else praised her and that drove her nuts for him.
Toby was too much of a dweeb
Andrew was too much of a "cool loner" guy
Tom is just a straight up puppy b***h
The best Spider-Man representation is this quarter back chad. It's thr closest the character has ever been properly adapted outside of comics.
>we will NEVER be allowed to see a Peter this Chadly in a mainstream adaptation ever again
>we will NEVER be allowed to see a Peter this Chadly in a mainstream adaptation ever again
Maybe because you’re a grown adult man now and should stop going to see movies/shows for children?
The Raimi films have done irreparable damage to Peter Parker as a character. No one can ever picture him as a short tempered jerk.
>No one can ever picture him as a short tempered jerk.
>No one can ever picture him as a short tempered jerk.
>Posts tall tempered chad as rebuttal
you're killing your own argument
>every spiderman is a super genius
>they could be me!!
How come there are territories this released that aren't being counted? I wanted to see china and brazil among others. Anyone have?
When I read a really good story, I sometimes imagine what it would be like to become that person.
So it seems a little backwards that the character instead tries to become more like me.
Across the Spider Verse is going to double the gross of the original. Has 90% audience and critic scores, and is probably going to win an Oscar.
This movie has really mind broke Cinemaphile.
And still the second lowest grossing Spider-Man despite supposedly being "Spider-Man for everyone", what's up with that
You've gotta be moronic. The drops per week are standard and when you've got the first 2 week of numbers, you can generally guess where it will land at the end of its run with a few exceptions that have strong holds. This one didn't have strong holds. It look realistically that it should hit $700m easily from a strong opening but it seems that was actually front loaded so it will likely hit between $600~650m as it crawls there.
black spiderman wearing nothing but the latest yeezys, big ol black spider lips wrapped around spidergirls cute white pink hairless wiener, nostrils flarin', mouth cheeks inverted, gasping for breath, balls drainin, straight bussin
Is this the thread where Cinemaphile pretends that the cartoon spider-man movie flopped?
Read the OP maybe
It didn't flop at all. But articles and lunatic fans are talking about it as if it's some kind of ground breaking monster hit that will change the world. But the reality is that it's a mildly performing spider-man movie while being surrounded by bombs.
It's a false marketing narrative created by Sony and held up by paper-thin nonsense.
>real Spiderman makes nearly two billions
>fake troony loving spiderman barely makes a third
Oof and yikes. Miles Morales is Miles Morales.
>their own personalized Spider-Man? Representation is important
brief cameos and OCs that are not established isn't going to interest people who don't really give a shit.
the movie is still doing well
Spiderverse had a budget of $100m and made over $500m
This entire thread is cope
They only managed to keep the budget down by slave driving the animators dumbass, haven't you heard the news. If they went the ethical way like Pixar it would've cost the same as a Pixar movie.
>How dare you minimize costs while maximizing profit?
You’re a shitty businessman and would never make it in Hollywood.
The point is that "Spider-Man for everyone" can only be profitable by literally slave driving people, that's like Pepsi brag-coping that it's okay they're not the leading product, because they're still profitable by using sub-par unregulated ingredients and skipping safety procedures compared to the competition.
The point is that profit is the central goal of any project. We don’t splurge on anything more than absolutely necessary while keeping in line with revenue projection. We’re looking at $600m profit for Beyond the Spiderverse on a similar budget. Either way it goes, the shareholders are gonna be happy.
>The point is that profit is the central goal of any project.
Then why not make the movies about the real Spider-Man and make 3-4x more money for free?
We literally just did that. Spreading out investment across multiple profitable projects is common sense. We’ve got more Marvel, PlayStation, and Sony Spider-Man projects coming out.
>We literally just did that
But the Miles movie is making 1/4 the money of the Peters' movie. His game also sold 1/6 of Peter's game.
Yes. That’s called diversifying your portfolio. So you don’t dump every penny into a flop like The Flash.
And profit margins are more important for the shareholders than straight revenue.
> diversifying your portfolio
Diversity is when you pander to each race with their own version of a known superhero. Through the power of race essentialism and assuming people cannot connect over race boundaries we will finally have a segregated anti racist society.
Do you not understand what “diversifying” your portfolio means? It means spreading out your investments so that a failure in one area won’t cause you to lose everything.
>Through the power of race essentialism and assuming people cannot connect over race boundaries we will finally have a segregated anti racist society.
Dude, what are you talking about? I’m not here to argue about whatever culture war bullshit. This business is about profit.
> Do you not understand what “diversifying” your portfolio means? It means spreading out your investments
In different arenas and different risk portfolios such as combining a percentage of holdings in safe long term index funds with riskier investments in high growth sectors like technology.
What it doesn’t mean is “lmao we made a black spoodyman now we diversified nighuh”. You might be legitimately moronic in which case I’m sorry, but please stop using finance jargon and switch to something folksy like “don’t put your eggs in one basket, hyuk”.
But this is all still just Spider-Man shit, when you make a Batman movie and an Aquaman movie and both make a billion, you made a lot of money and didn't increase fatigue for either, "Spider-Man but black" DOES increase Spider-Man fatigue but he does it while making far less money than the real Spider-Man. There's no fundamental visual/thematic/appeal/genre difference between the two for it to count as diversifying.
Profit margins are more important than straight revenue. Spiderverse earned us more bang for our buck than TASM or Raimi Spidey.
That’s why Homeverse and Spidervese are leading the charge.
Kek this movie's hellish working conditions pissed off the animation guild, let's see how they keep costs down in the future with the looming strike
Doubtful. Animation has an infinite supply of laborers who will work for pennies to be part of a major project. Just ask the Japanese and Koreans.
Raimi Spidey each earned a billion when adjusted for inflation. Spider-Man 3 made even more than the first two.
>Spider-Man but black" DOES increase Spider-Man fatigue
No proof of this. Spider-Man is pulling bigger numbers than ever before
>but he does it while making far less money than the real Spider-Man.
Doesn’t matter, all that matters is that he makes money.
>There's no fundamental visual/thematic/appeal/genre difference between the two for it to count as diversifying.
One is a wacky animated movie and the other is a live action blockbuster.
>No proof of this. Spider-Man is pulling bigger numbers than ever before
Common sense anon, you think the Mat Reeves Batman and Batfleck and Keaton Batman and the upcoming Gunn Batman won't contribute to Batman fatigue?
>Doesn’t matter, all that matters is that he makes money.
But it does matter according to you, if 4x more money could've been made with a simple character swap
>One is a wacky animated movie and the other is a live action blockbuster.
A wacky animated movie that could've starred Peter and made tons more money as a result while increasing the fatigue and diversifying as much as Miles did
Do you not understand what profit margin means?
Did you misquote a post
>Common sense anon, you think the Mat Reeves Batman and Batfleck and Keaton Batman and the upcoming Gunn Batman won't contribute to Batman fatigue?
All of these are live action starring the same character. A better comparison would Pattinson, Terry McGinnis animated movies and Nightwing movies.
Since 2018 when spider-verse debuted
>Spider-Man PS4+ Miles Morales sold 35M together
>MCU Spider-Man had two back to back billion dollar movies
>ATSV is tracking to outgross the first by almost 300M
>Spider-Man 2 is the most anticipated game of the year
There is no fatigue
>But it does matter according to you, if 4x more money could've been made with a simple character swap
The reason they are using Miles is so they can milk him alongside Peter. Peter already makes money but now with Spider-Verse they can sell Miles, Gwen and Noir merch to make money off. Look at this way, Thor doesn’t make the amount as money as Cap does but he doesn’t need to they just need another character to make extra cash. Universal knows an Ana de Armas John Wick spin off won’t make the same as a Keanu movie but it gives them another franchise to make money off.
>The reason they are using Miles is so they can milk him alongside Peter
They are milking Peter and dragging him him down for a wannabe, just like in comics.
Peter is being dragged down by being written as a cuck in recent comics instead of a smart chad. Not because of some black kid
He is being portrayed as a cuck to uplift Black personman, exactly like in the movie.
-Man PS4+ Miles Morales sold 35M together
I like how you leave out that Peter Parker's game makes up the vast majority of those sales.
>Spider-Man 2 is the most anticipated game of the year
lol
lmao
>bethesda bomb
>zelda dlc
>another fricking remake
Lmao.
Spider-Man 2 is DLC just like Zelda
All with at least thrice the expectations over that Watchdogs 2 looking wet fart. Sony won't even buy pity GOTYs, the new Horizon is here.
Anon you can piss and shit and cry and moan and cum until the cows come home, and it won't change the fact that "guy in Spider-Man suit who calls himself Spider-Man and dates Spider-Man's girlfriends and fights Spider-Man's villains in Spider-Man storylines.. except his skin color under the costume is black" is not a meaningfully different character from the real Spider-Man to count as diversifying since the only major thing different about the two of them is the fact Miles brings in 1/5 the money Peter does. Keaton and Affleck and Pattinson Batmen all have more unique differences from each other than Miles has compared to Peter, let alone Dick and Terry.
According to your logic DC should now diversify away from the Flash (Barry Allen) movie by making Flash (Wally West) and Flash (Jay Garrick) and Flash (Wallace West), you know you are objectively wrong and are spouting inane bullshit but the twitter culture war mindbroke you so much you'll do it anyway. It's actually very sad and you should look for a tree to climb to help you break out of your condition ASAP.
-Man 2 is the most anticipated game of the year
LMAO no way.
>No proof of this.
Marvel comics Spiderman went from most profitable western comic to selling around 30 000 units because commie writers kept showing donut steel frickwads like Morales or Marvels into his storyline in the past 10 years.
You will never see standalone Miles Morales movie because he is a tumor on everybody else and would flop on his own, exactly as it was happening in MC until they wisened up.
Because making money off multiple characters is better than just making money off one. Why do you think the MCU makes movies based on multiple characters instead of just Iron Man and Captain America?
Who's we homie
Mario, Puss in boots and bad guys all had low budgets. Pixar is expensive because of the technology they use.
t. doesn't have a clue about what goes on in the animation industry
Literally everyone but Pixar slave drives their animators
Spider-Verse used several experimental art styles and techniques that don’t come cheap. Mario used standard 3D animation and did it beautifully. A very competently made movie. Had they paid the Spider-Verse animators properly for the work they did, it would’ve been VERY expensive.
And 150 million marketing, so they broken even, wow big success lol.
Didn’t the fricking Incredibles mock this idea over a decade ago? With the whole ‘if everyone is super no one will be’?
We live in clown times, people unironically want Spider-Man to be the Burger King Kids Club, South Park took its literal token black character parody and made him an actual unironic token, white voice actors can only voice white characters but everyone else can voice everyone.
It all boils down to the fact that like 90% of people (basically all normies/NPCs) hate whites and would unquestioningly support mass slaughter of all white people if such a thing was proposed tomorrow.
Peter Parker >>>>> nig obviously
It’s not mainline MCU like No Way Home, that’s a bullshit disingenuous comparison and you know it. Most people don’t even know about this movie.
Both TASM movies also made more than ATSV
Raimi movies too, 20 years ago when movie tickets cost half as much
ATSV had a higher profit margin than TASM.
Why should anyone but the shareholders care about that? Also they only managed that by treating immigrant animators the way Qatar treats migrant workers, which is not very progressive
Because the shareholders are the entire reason any project happens at all. Are you a communist or some shit?
Dumbass why should *you and I* care? If the shareholders all got a big payout for poisoning our water supply, why should we celebrate that as a good thing?
I don’t know about you, but I actually enjoy studying the business end of the entertainment industry.
If the point here is you don’t like a work, you do you.
>I don’t know about you, but I actually enjoy studying the business end of the entertainment industry.
What the frick does that have to do with anything we were talking about
Money.
>and animals
They say troonyism isn't a slippery slope to animals yet here it is
America revolves around ______
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Why does Spot mog Kang so badly?
Spot is joke turned dope and Kang is vice-versa.
I love how hard people are seething and they know they can't do a thing about it. This will continue to make money and you will continue to cry.
I love how hard people are seething and they know they can't do a thing about it. This will continue to make less money than any other Spider-Man and you will continue to cry.
People can sense soullessness. The only reason they want to show anyone/thing can be Spider-man is to make more money. Thats all, no art or soul. Just to squeeze the masses off our consumer society.
The legacy of this movie is going to be troony Gwen and Sony wage caging their employees
So what I’m gathering from this thread is the people who hate this movie are angry culture warriors obsessed with politics, and the people who loved the movie are generally chill.
Other way around, this movie was made for Twitter culture warriors
I like the movie because of the comedy, artwork, character development, and soundtrack.
I don't like the movie because of the twitter culture war stuff, and also cringe Rick and Morty premise and writing, and unfaithful character adaptations
try leaving the bubble you live in
Nobody even uses twitter anymore besides right wing boomers. Everyone’s on TikTok.
>try leaving the bubble you live in
>t.bay area troony in hijab
Projection
Never understood why white supremacists are so obsessed with Peter. He’s literally a israelite created by two israelites and friends with a Puerto Rican. Logically you should hate him.
Peter isn’t a israelite. He’s a Protestant Christian.
Are the white supremacists with you in the room? Maybe hiding under your soviet flag or Biden poster?
Spider buck and the troony cuck
I liked it. I thought I was fun and I eagerly await the next installment.
Literally nobody can be Spider-Man. He’s a man with radioactive spider powers.
So when they cast hunter schaefer as spidergwen in the liveaction version (and we all know they will) will they be brave and stunning enough to show them kissing?
I don’t recall them checking my race when I got a movie ticket…
>white guys make a trilogy of films with the sole of purpose of letting low IQ minority kids feel like they can be a fictional superhero
This is so gross and patronizing
You sure at least of those “white guys” isn’t actually israeli?
>What went wrong
one is an animated movie that was well regarded VS the final movie of real life actors, mixed with all the other real life spidermans protagonists and the success of Marvel movies, if u thought that spiderverse would be bigger then u are too dumb to be here
>they have to compare ATSV to live action Marvel blockbusters to make it look like it flopped.
Kek
Yay we owned the chuds to make israelites rich which we personally wont benefit from! Woo
Let's compare it other animated superhero movies then
>both movies made less money than Big Hero 6 despite them being universally acclaimed and Big Hero 6 being forgotten immeidately
lol, guess people just don't care about having "Spider-Man for everyone"
>don't compare it to spiderman movies
>don't compare it to super hero movies
>don't compare it to animated movies
>you have to compare it to extended episodes of the 30 year old batman saturday morning cartoon
Who are you quoting?
Only amerimutts are watching it. It's underperforming overseas, the theaters in my city only have two sessions for it.
but i felt that already with peter parker, despite being brown tho
Sorry but white Spider-Man is for white people only
If anybody could be it then it isn't unique or interesting.
How the frick do they not understand that everybody can't be special?
>and then everybody in the store slowly began to clap
I'm literally crying tears of joy right now reading this. We're making the world a better place, one black character at a time.
These people are so creepy, I’ve really come to hate white leftists more than anyone
>it could be me
>animal spiderman
Wtf is this homie talking about? How many fricking dogs does he think are buying tickets to watch spiderman wtf is this clown world lmao
It’s for monkeypox-riddles homosexuals and furries who want to rape dogs.
Are there seriously morons here who act like the Tom Holland trilogy is actually good(and Tom is a good Spidey) cause Tobey man and Andrew guy showed up for 15min and a movie that's un-rewatchable
I don't even know what happened in the movie.
They have to inject the bad guys with science juice to send them back/make them good/keep them alive?
Made no sense to me.
It's was a monster fricking hit of film, though. What this film is pretending to be.
This just proves these idiots don’t have any soul. PETER PARKER IS SPIDER-MAN! When someone says they love Spider-Man, they love PETER PARKER. He is what gives the character life. Sometimes, the Peter Parker drama was more interesting than the Spider-Man fights scenes and it’s the balance between the two that makes the story.
Honestly just raceswapping Peter Parker and having the same personality and struggle would be better than what they’re doing. They seriously think that everybody wants to be some 1D version of Spider-Man that pops up for like 10 minutes of an entire film? SOUL > physical features when it comes to capturing an audience. Who behind this? Is it Hollywood or these “elite” “art” schools?
There is only one spider man and he is Peter Parker.
What idiot thought Spider-Verse would have a better box office than NWH?
There will continue to be shitposters being ingenious about it as if the movie wasn't being propped up by tugboat Maguire and Andrew. Besides I have had multiple people straight up say "why would I watch an animated movie, there are no real people in it for me to care for" or other dumb shit along those lines. Tom Holland's next film ain't making a billi
Why wasn't ATSV propped up by Glover and Andrew?
>blonde white spider man immediately gets murdered and replaced by a nig-Hispanic mutt
Powerful
>EVERYONE CAN BE SPIDERMAN
Why is this a message worth spreading? The frick do I do with this? Am I supposed to feel good about it?
Did he just call non-whites animals
Rude
>no aborigine spiderman with a missing leg with propecia and heterochromia and schizophrenia
Why does society hate me so?
>Everyone is Spider-Man
But I can't shoot webs from my wrist. I can't climb up walls. I can't stop a moving train. What did they mean by this?