>Women, israelites, blue haired feminists and trannies are literally ruining the world.
They're a reflection of the state of the Western world, not the cause of its decline.
>They're a reflection of the state of the Western world, not the cause of its decline.
No, you really are the problem.
Specifically, you, israeli females. You have always been the problem.
israeli women are the most evil and manipulative creatures on the planet. Judaism is a female worshiping witch cult. They literally have men biting baby dicks and sucking the blood out of it. israeli men are the most emasculated creatures on the planet. They exist entirely to serve the israeliteess.
Only female israelites can breed more israelites. They control the finances, they control the men, they control everything.
All of these failed movements were lead by female israelites. Literal world wars are fought because of female israelites.
This. In order for him to be the worst character he would need to beat Queen Amidala, Qui-Gon, Jar Jar, and a ton of other shit characters from the prequels. He would also need to be worse than Rey, which is also a tall order.
Finn wasn't great but he wasn't actively terrible either.
>"A Good Question For Another Time"
Did the Disney Trilogy ever answer this shit, or was it never acknowledged again? If the latter, then it's a colossal plot hole.
They needed a mentor character in lieu of Yoda, so they had a wrinkly orange alien c**t impart generic fortune cookie-style ambiguous advice to the MC instead. Then they massively reduced her role in the second one because she was shit and just brought back Yoda instead. And then they made Yoda shit.
> Rey
I don't know they have different sorts of weaknesses. I actually enjoyed Finn's comedy parts, even though I'm a problematic hater of diversity. Honestly his acting was good. Boyega's problem was that his character took the place of and ruined what should have been a lynchpin character. In theory his backstory is very interesting but it amounted to nothing and if anything contradicted what was shown on screen, damaging the world building of the series.
Rey was not particularly well acted. And was boring as hell. Her character concept is lame and childishly simplistic. I was never excited to see Rey on screen. BUT nothing about her character was actively damaging to the series. It's simply a very vanilla execution of a very mediocre character and story arc.
> Orange Yoda
Not a problem except frick that one line. Makes her actively annoying and pointless. A talking MacGuffin.
Played by a nice looking girl, but they refused to show her off (apparently it detracts from Strong Female Character status if a man finds you too attractive).
The only new character in the sequels with any charisma is Po and thats because its Oscar Isaac. At that point he was already well established and likeable. I didnt particularly dislike Finn, or Rey for that matter, but they were just so forgettable.
>The only new character in the sequels with any charisma is Po and thats because its the only character that is neither a Black person nor a vegana
fixed
still a mutt, but we latch onto what we can.
theres literally nothing you could do with that. if you make him sympathetic then you cant make storm troopers into cannon fodder anymore because all of them are child soldiers. If you put him on the path of atonement for what hes done, well hes only been deployed for combat 1 time. his role was just navigating the laser death star in force awakens. if you make him a inverse of kylo where he was raised by the empire but ends up a jedi while kylo was raised by the jedi but becomes a sith, then the trilogy is about finn and kylo instead of rey palpatine. honestly having a sympathetic force sensitive storm trooper was just moronic
I always thought that the concept of a stormtrooper defecting and then realising they had force powers is very cool. They should have made Finn the new Jedi hero (recast obviously) and deleted Rey entirely from the movies.
Rian and JJ completely ruined what could've been an intruiging arc from defectee to revolutionary (though Bland Awakens had dumb shit like him hollering at blowing up his own crewmates). That's why I don't get the woke types that praise Last Jedi, it squandered a chance of giving an interesting arc to the black guy. Trevorrow is a shit writer/director but making Finn the leader of the Stormtrooper rebellion would've been kino.
>That's why I don't get the woke types that praise Last Jedi, it squandered a chance of giving an interesting arc to the black guy.
They've largely given up praising/defending it because RoS was such a shitshow.
All the really convincing arguments for why TLJ was good hinged on the idea that it was setting something up for RoS which would make it all fit together in retrospect - that Canto Bight was sowing seeds for that rather than filling time, that Finn and Rose were going to be important, etc. etc. Then RoS happened and it stopped being possible to believe that.
It's actually funny, after how divisive the ST was, how everyone I know has kind of made up over it. If you actually liked TLJ, RoS was such an insult that it left a bad taste in your mouth. If you didn't like it, TLJ is a big turd right in the middle of the ST - and RoS is so obviously trying to pivot away from what it was doing it's borderline insulting.
>Real answer is the Star Wars fan base is mostly bitter fat white incels that can't stand any character having agency other than the white lead
Nonwhites look gross.
Alien Franchise
Terminator Franchise
Rocky Franchise (who cried about Carl Weathers)
Predator, Predator 2, Prey
The Matrix Trilogy
The Blade Trilogy
Lethal Weapon
Rush Hour
Friday
He Got Game
Pulp Fiction
Jackie Brown
Star Wars OT
Oh wow all movies that were made 20+ years ago when woke politics werent a hot button issue. Name a single movie made in the last 10 years that had a black and/or female lead that didnt send this board into an uproar.
He didn't have agency. He was literally just along for the ride.
He didn't even have a consistent character. He goes from butthurt a PTSD'd about being a disposable goon to laughing with glee at gunning those fellow goons down in the span of a few minutes.
But yes, being a hideous jump-scare faced jogger didn't help. It's just he was so bad that my (justified) racism didn't even have time to come into it
>oh no le nig actor had to stand in 102 degree dry heat for a bit for millions of dollars
You can always tell who is a sheltered homosexual when they complain about doing trivial shit in certain types of weather for a short period of time. I knew a lawyer who ended up having to do prison time for like 15 months and is still b***hing 20 years later for having to do manual labor outside in the sun, like they had put him on the rack or something. They don't realize millions of people spend their whole careers working in the sun and heat, it's not some unusual torture, it's normal and easy to get acclimated to if you're not an abysmal pussy
Finn could have deserted and just fricked off to some planet with zero fricks given, since he really dindunuffin. There was no reason for him to stick around with the "Rebels".
No effort was made by the establishment at any point to integrate or promote English culture at all over the past few decades and it really shows. Even the BBC "big ups" american-style gangster black culture over any other.
That's complete projection. John Boyega is charismatic. Call him ugly, untalented, though I disagree, hate his personality all you want, but the guy has charisma. He is entertaining to watch to point where he's at least on par with Oscar Isaac.
>This guy is supposed be somekind of fanatic Hitlerjuged tier murder machine raised in a militarised society from early childhood >Yes that's the First Order army backstory
Just looking at the actor I don't buy it. There's nothing about this character that makes you believe that he was a soldier, mannerism nothing
Finn was just a rough draft of a character, if that. They never bothered to “complete” the character. The ex-trooper idea could have been developed into something great, but instead he just bumbled around and shouted. Might as well just delete the character out of the script at that point.
>the worst character in nuwars
No he isn't. Don't get me wrong he is distractingly out of place in Star Wars and is poorly written, but he isn't nearly as terrible as bullshit like admiral Holdo or Rose or Hux.
They almost stuck the landing with his characterisation in TFA, he goes from cowardly to taking on the bad guy knowing full well he’d get his shit pushed in, but they ruined it with him happily gunning down his former comrades. Other two movies are barely worth mentioning, I don’t know how any executive could look at the writing of those two films and think they’re anywhere near good enough to be made. Boyega should have just shut the frick up and taken the money, now his career is done.
>Finn snaps out of his conditioning because one of his dying comrades reaches out from him >15 minutes later he's whooping and celebrating as he guns down his remaining comrades because "it's the right thing to do"
His character stopped having a chance 10% into the first movie.
I remember reading that Boyega had initially tried to play Finn as a much more serious, grim character. But JJ Abrams told him to lighten up and not be too serious. 'This is fun!' or something.
When the director/writer doesn't give a shit about consistent tone or charactorisation what chance does an actor have?
White guilt is stronger than ever, as is victim worship, so generosity is extended to the most unfortunate specimens they can find, usually meaning the ugliest and least talented black folks they can get their hands on. Good-looking black people being successful isn't enough for affluent neurotic white people to feel good about themselves.
Attractive black actors, especially men, pose too much of a threat to the typical incel white idea of attractive. They will b***h no matter what black actor is chosen, but they will especially complain if the black actor is attractive and is seen as attractive by white female characters.
When it comes to male castings, even when white, they're often time far less attractive than their female co-stars. It's to keep female standards of beauty in men at a reasonable low while placing them with very attractive women. It all works according to the same theory where white men remain the best regarded despite how average they appear.
Why the frick would you make a character a former stormtrooper and then do absolutely nothing with it. Dramatically it's at least kind of interesting to take one of the random, faceless cannon-fodder that the protags have been gunning down for the last several movies and give him a face and a name and make him one of the main characters of the series.
There's a lot you can do with the concept! Maybe, rather than just mindlessly slaughtering stormtroopers by the dozen, he makes an argument to spare them or to try and reverse their conditioning. Afterall, Finn was basically kidnapped as a child and brainwashed into being a solider for the First Order. Are the FO stormtroopers really morally culpable and deserving of death if they're basically just brainwashed child soldiers?
Maybe Finn could help recruit disaffected FO stormtroppers and try to deprogram to join the Resistance, or lead some kind of uprising. Maybe he could face a moral dilemma, where he has to kill stormtroopers he knows are just brainwashed in order to save his friends in the resistance. Maybe he could provide a way to shed light into the workings and background of the FO.
No? He's just going to become a comic relief character? He's just going to start laughing as he blows up his friends 5 minutes after going turncoat?
Oh okay.
Imagine a scene on a battlefield (that isn't just disney+ super fight scenes that go from dialog to punchy kicky superfight to over in 5 minutes) where there is actual meaning and characters
Imagine Finn gets up and appeals to the troopers' sense of reason
Converts them by argument to his cause
Would this not be SW kino?
>he should have been a jedi and he should have fricked rey
See, you're joking, but that's actually what they should've done. It's obvious in TFA that they're wanting to pair Rey and Finn together in some fashion - as friends, as lovers, as Jedi - but then they very obviously get cold feet and hard reverse and Rey and Finn barely even see each other again after the first movie.
The fact you don't even have to go to any absurd lengths to justify why Jedi Finn would've been better than jedi Rey, it is just inherently more interesting. Doomed timeline
write a 2 dimensional character with no defining traits or abilities, give him nothing to do, do nothing to evolve his character and forget him as the series goes on.
What even is his character? His imaginary arc is wrapped up before the first act of TFA ends. I can't remember if they even explain why he rebelled, no pun intended.
Yeah but where does his "human" traits come from, and no that's not a monkey joke. He was taken from his family before he could even remember them, so all he's known is the First Order. He's a victim, yes, but he never actually gets taught an alternative or finds a motivator beyond having some innate moral compass that reveals itself in the first ten minutes of the first film. So people are just born good and bad is his character's message? Then why don't Jedi kill bad apples when they're younglings? Hell, why wasn't it part of Kylo Ren's duty to make the rounds every time a new batch was "recruited" and weed out the rebels, since apparently that shit is just ambiguously wired into you and completely ignorant of context. Why didn't Qui Gon just murder Anakin in Episode I? How come Palpatine didn't realize Ben (Solo) would betray him?
Basically none of this makes sense. I hate Star Wars so much it's unreal.
They realized he was outshining their average white girl mc and needed to put an end to him. It's also why all the other girls were ugly comparatively to Rey, especially the non white girls.
No. He starts the movie in a coma, wakes up spontaneously, bumbles around on the big pointless fetch quest that turned out to be total misdirection, then just when he's finally about to do something meaningful at the end, Rose stops him from doing it.
The history of the Star Wars galaxy would be literally entirely unchanged if he had just stayed in a coma for the entire movie.
They're all terrible and the real reason is they have no appeal to kids. Finn has nothing to make him an appealing toy and neither do Poe or Rey. Their idea for Poe was to give him a jacket. Their idea for Finn was for him to wind up with the same fricking jacket. No special or unique guns or gadgets or gizmos nor even a dedicated look. Rey never even got her own fricking lightsaber. That doesn't make sense. Why didn't she get her own lightsaber. I can't get over it. Rey feels like someone a 47 year old woman designed for herself and other old crones and not someone a little girl would like. She should've had like 10 outfits and 4 different hairstyles in the first movie alone. She should've had her own saber and a better looking gun to appeal to boys. Star Wars has been permanently taken over by middle aged morons trying to make shit for themselves and insisting its better. The "they just wanted to make toys" insult was the most brainlet bit against Lucas I've ever seen. Legitmately makes me fricking angry. Of course they wanted to make toys dumbass. Toys are for kids and a cool toy character is a cool character for kids. Why do you think you liked Boba Fett when you were 11? Kickass toy.
God it was so fricking simple and right in front of everyone but everybody was throwing temper tantrums about the fricking EU or "appealing to feminism" as if LITTLE GIRLS give a shit, or LITTLE BOYS. Goddammit I fricking hate middle aged star wars fans. Frick.
I don't know how you even frick up making shit designed for toys with Star Wars. In an alternate timeline their is a toyMAXX version of the sequels where the Knights of Ren are the main bad guys, not the empire 2.0, and they all have cool weapons and gadgets and shit.
Seeing John Boyega for the first time in The Force Awakens was the shock of my life.
I was so hyped for the sequel trilogy that I cagily avoided all marketing materials, all trailers, and all commercials. If I walked by a toy aisle at the store and caught a small glimpse of a vehicle or stormtrooper, I'd look away immediately. I wanted to go into the new era of Star Wars with an entirely open mind, as pure as an Amish virgin. On opening night I knew there was a brown-haired female protagonist (that much was hard to avoid, even though I shielded my eyes), but little else. I didn't even know which classic characters were returning.
When Boyega first took off that helmet and revealed himself to the theater, I let out an audible gasp. My entire row of filmgoers looked at me like I was nuts, but I couldn't help myself. There before me was the most Simian creature I'd ever seen in a galaxy far, far away. An intergalactic gorilla with huge flaring Black person nostrils and big Nigerian chieftain lips.
Oftentimes film studios will soften the blow by casting Billy Dee Williams or Will Smith... but not this time. This time you were forced to feast your eyes on a pure-blooded coal black silverback Black person, blown up forty feet high on an IMAX screen.
I looked around, uncomprehendingly, as the rest of the crowd seemed to accept this monstrosity as a regular matter of course. Then it occurred to me that I was the only person who hadn't already seen months' worth of marketing materials.
Little by little, they had been led to accept this by drips and drabs of commercials, trailers, and TV interviews. Their minds had been so softened that they were willing to stare unflinchingly, even giggle and smile at the Black folkhines, as MegaBlack person (missing only a bone in his nose) besmirched the galaxy.
Lots of people debate about the exact moment when Star Wars died. I contend it was when that minstrel-looking sweaty jigaboo removed his helmet and revealed his Lovecraftian face.
There were 2 streams of thought in the Disney writing room
a. want to make stormtrooper turncoat
b. make him black for diversity points
c. don't want him to diminish other characters with stormtrooper plotline or abilities
d. make him a janitor instead
e. want to make female lead look important, make him scream her name
f. too lazy to commit to plotline, so we'll hint at things to farm marketing data
g. leave him impotent.
1. want to ship Rey with Finn
2. tumblrinas want Kylo x Rey
3. ship Finn with goblin
4. Asians mad that the goblin is ugly, even madder that Finn is black (and ugly)
5. Introduce random black girl
6. Realize intentions would be obvious if they ship her with Finn
7. Leave Finn impotent
100% screwed her over. She's a frickable little piece of Vietnamese ass and a competent actress. She just had the misfortune to get her big break playing one of the worst characters in one of the most loathed movies of all time, which added insult to injury by making her look as unglamourous as possible
He was fine in force awakens 2bh as an actor, just JJ Abrams threw his character arc out within 40 mins (betraying the first order because muh fellow stormtroopers were being murdered for insubordination to then blowing up those same fellow stormtroopers for fun)
Rian Johnson basically not bothering with him was the nail in the coffin, wasn't much to recover after that
No that is pure anti yidsney star wars nerd cope. Finn is barely a fricking character he might as well have been a fricking droid there is nothing to hate compared to shit like Admiral SJW.
Worst character?
Let me list the characters that were better:
Kylo Ren - Bitter immature youth given way too much power for his own good. Actually grows as a character in a believable way
Poe Dameron - Competent, upstanding, and charismatic, despite having insultingly little agency in the plot
BB-8 - Charismatic, loyal, cute, didn't say anything moronic because he can't talk
Finn - Bumbling tagalong with no purpose or interesting qualities. His only shred of character development was "taking responsibility", which was already done better by Han, and was pointlessly replayed in the second movie, except sabotaged that time, and in the third movie they didn't even bother and gave him literally nothing.
That's not great, but literally every other character is even worse. Ranging from "utter waste of potential" all the way down to "infuriating."
> the worst character in nuwars
I actually liked the vibe between him and the Hispanic guy in force awakens.
Rey was much worse, she didn't had a personality.
The movies would've been better if Rey had turned to the dark side, since nobody would've to see her stupid face if she wore a mask, and the good guys were Boyega and "Poe" (that was his name right).
Boyega is a shitty person, but they did him dirty and turned him into the token Black person of star wars. It's kinda ironic how the OT had proper diverse characters lmao
Finn needed to be a Clone or Hunger Games clone template refresher template. Then his force sensitivity at all is remarkable and anomalous. He needed to not be a "janitor" but doing latrine duty, because Phasma rides the best recruits the hardest. Finn has to be detatched with special forces (because Nu Republic politics and OpSec against Imperial Remant continuity of government 5th column) as an advisor with knowledge on First Order combat SOP and how it's changed from bong average Empire storm troopers. The setup pays off with a Dagobah Nightmare sequence where, trying to treat a wounded 1st Order trooper to take as prisoner, he sees his own face behind the helmet and has a psychotic PTSD identity crisis split, questioning who he is.
Then you have Oscar Isaac, demoted from commanding large fleet formations, sent to Wedge Antilles and whatever successor to Rogue Squadron doing SOF hits in tandem with Finn. Isaac's humbled professionally by the horizontal promation and old Top Gun OGs showing him the even more advanced pilot ropes.
Finn & Poe are chasing Knights of Ren doing Indiana Jones shit with Jedi/Sith archaeology under the instruction of the old Imperial Cult/Church guy Cronal/Blackhole (whom Snoke is likely cribbed from). There's your integrated B-plot where these two gay baiting gays aren't purse holding castrati passengers. Rey can now reach out and @Finn for assistance at some critical moment to bring the cavalry/diversion force.
Palpatine couldn't get any more clones made (the cloners found out he was evil) and so by the time of the original movies, it's a mix of clones and normal people who have applied to the Empire. By the sequels I imagine there probably aren't any clones left.
>"A Good Question For Another Time"
Did the Disney Trilogy ever answer this shit, or was it never acknowledged again? If the latter, then it's a colossal plot hole.
>Did the Disney Trilogy ever answer this shit
They did not.
He was a far more interesting character than Rey. He actually had character development in the first film. He went from being a coward who wanted to run away to challenging Kylo Ren to an ill-fated lightsaber duel.
>somehow luke's lightsaber returned >somehow vader's mask returned >somehow death star returned >somehow empire returned >somehow dexter jettster returned
Finn is easily one of the best things abt the trilogy. His problem lies where they ultimately give up on his character development alongside Rey to force Kylo and Rey who share even less chemistry. I could watch Rey and Finn do their thing all day like they did in TFA. Kylo made a good heel for Rey but once that disappears, the whole story begins to fail. Again, Finn is a great character who is later ignored.
he’s only bad because they didn’t know what to do with him after VII. there could’ve been something potent there but VIII just had him run around a casino planet and i don’t even remember anything that happened in IX.
He's barely a character. I think if the had've let him kamikaze himself to save everyone in that awful second one he might've been remembered somewhat fondly. Instead he's a joke.
New Order needed to have a point for the plot to even be compelling. Maybe some outside threat (vong?) that made the empire remnants have a reason to reunify the galaxy while the republic fell even further into pieces. Finn in this would have joined up with the best intentions but saw how things were rotten at the top and betrayed maybe on a mission where rey would have been in danger or was even the target
Finn had potential if they bothered spending any energy whatsoever worldbuilding around the struggles of stormtroopers and the implications of some of them developing consciences.
But the product was helmed by women, homosexuals, and diversity hires, so of course no energy could go into that.
Literal diversity hire
Women, israelites, blue haired feminists and trannies are literally ruining the world.
No way bro! Since they took the wheel it's been smooth sailing
>Women, israelites, blue haired feminists and trannies are literally ruining the world.
They're a reflection of the state of the Western world, not the cause of its decline.
>They're a reflection of the state of the Western world, not the cause of its decline.
No, you really are the problem.
Specifically, you, israeli females. You have always been the problem.
israeli women are the most evil and manipulative creatures on the planet. Judaism is a female worshiping witch cult. They literally have men biting baby dicks and sucking the blood out of it. israeli men are the most emasculated creatures on the planet. They exist entirely to serve the israeliteess.
Only female israelites can breed more israelites. They control the finances, they control the men, they control everything.
All of these failed movements were lead by female israelites. Literal world wars are fought because of female israelites.
Look who controls the money in the USA right now.
You are the problem.
>reddit spacing
NTA but way to concede.
You mean americanos and their big nosed friends
no, the israelites definitely caused it
>wearing a suit like that in abu dhabi doing 15 hour shoots
honestly maybe it's not so bad that i didn't become an actor after all
not really, he was barely even a character
This. In order for him to be the worst character he would need to beat Queen Amidala, Qui-Gon, Jar Jar, and a ton of other shit characters from the prequels. He would also need to be worse than Rey, which is also a tall order.
Finn wasn't great but he wasn't actively terrible either.
>he would need to beat Queen Amidala, Qui-Gon, Jar Jar, and a ton of other shit characters from the prequels
already did
Gr8 b8
Not worse than Rey or Orange Yoda.
>Orange Yoda
QRD? No, I have never watched fricking nuwars lol
Maz "A Good Question For Another Time" Kanata™
looks like an AI prompt “alien creature made of buttholes.exe” wtf?
>"A Good Question For Another Time"
Did the Disney Trilogy ever answer this shit, or was it never acknowledged again? If the latter, then it's a colossal plot hole.
>If the latter, then it's a colossal plot hole.
How? How Maz got the saber is completely irrelevant.
No one should have it, Maz or otherwise. Also, they told us they'd tell us at some point.
Even more, the saber itself is irrelevant. Why they made a whole movie about this is a good question.
a good question, for another time
They needed a mentor character in lieu of Yoda, so they had a wrinkly orange alien c**t impart generic fortune cookie-style ambiguous advice to the MC instead. Then they massively reduced her role in the second one because she was shit and just brought back Yoda instead. And then they made Yoda shit.
They're all equally awful, including the total waste of Oscar Isaac and that ugly looking emo israelite.
Yeah it's remarkable how rhe entire cast if heroes and villains sucks equally. Extremely bad acting and actors too okd and ugly.
> Rey
I don't know they have different sorts of weaknesses. I actually enjoyed Finn's comedy parts, even though I'm a problematic hater of diversity. Honestly his acting was good. Boyega's problem was that his character took the place of and ruined what should have been a lynchpin character. In theory his backstory is very interesting but it amounted to nothing and if anything contradicted what was shown on screen, damaging the world building of the series.
Rey was not particularly well acted. And was boring as hell. Her character concept is lame and childishly simplistic. I was never excited to see Rey on screen. BUT nothing about her character was actively damaging to the series. It's simply a very vanilla execution of a very mediocre character and story arc.
> Orange Yoda
Not a problem except frick that one line. Makes her actively annoying and pointless. A talking MacGuffin.
baby yeed was wholesome kino
Rey is at least hot.
Played by a nice looking girl, but they refused to show her off (apparently it detracts from Strong Female Character status if a man finds you too attractive).
The only new character in the sequels with any charisma is Po and thats because its Oscar Isaac. At that point he was already well established and likeable. I didnt particularly dislike Finn, or Rey for that matter, but they were just so forgettable.
>The only new character in the sequels with any charisma is Po and thats because its the only character that is neither a Black person nor a vegana
fixed
still a mutt, but we latch onto what we can.
>Po
What about Tinky-Winky
Finn is the worst character because he's the easiest character to make interesting. He's a former stormtrooper..
You could do a lot with that but they really didnt aside from
>Frick you former boss lady
>upside the head with light saber
theres literally nothing you could do with that. if you make him sympathetic then you cant make storm troopers into cannon fodder anymore because all of them are child soldiers. If you put him on the path of atonement for what hes done, well hes only been deployed for combat 1 time. his role was just navigating the laser death star in force awakens. if you make him a inverse of kylo where he was raised by the empire but ends up a jedi while kylo was raised by the jedi but becomes a sith, then the trilogy is about finn and kylo instead of rey palpatine. honestly having a sympathetic force sensitive storm trooper was just moronic
>he's the easiest character
He would've worked if he was white.
It would still be shit, but at least it would be bearable for your eyes.
I always thought that the concept of a stormtrooper defecting and then realising they had force powers is very cool. They should have made Finn the new Jedi hero (recast obviously) and deleted Rey entirely from the movies.
Did they make Finn go through the same character arc in RoS as well?
Rian and JJ completely ruined what could've been an intruiging arc from defectee to revolutionary (though Bland Awakens had dumb shit like him hollering at blowing up his own crewmates). That's why I don't get the woke types that praise Last Jedi, it squandered a chance of giving an interesting arc to the black guy. Trevorrow is a shit writer/director but making Finn the leader of the Stormtrooper rebellion would've been kino.
Nah they ready ruined it by hiring some ugly Black person roadman from london
go leave, no one gives a frick about your compulsive race obsession here
>#NOTMYCinemaphile
>Praise the last jedi
People actually do this?
Right after it came out, a guy I knew said it was the best Star Wars movie since Empire, possibly even better.
>That's why I don't get the woke types that praise Last Jedi, it squandered a chance of giving an interesting arc to the black guy.
They've largely given up praising/defending it because RoS was such a shitshow.
All the really convincing arguments for why TLJ was good hinged on the idea that it was setting something up for RoS which would make it all fit together in retrospect - that Canto Bight was sowing seeds for that rather than filling time, that Finn and Rose were going to be important, etc. etc. Then RoS happened and it stopped being possible to believe that.
It's actually funny, after how divisive the ST was, how everyone I know has kind of made up over it. If you actually liked TLJ, RoS was such an insult that it left a bad taste in your mouth. If you didn't like it, TLJ is a big turd right in the middle of the ST - and RoS is so obviously trying to pivot away from what it was doing it's borderline insulting.
Real answer is the Star Wars fan base is mostly bitter fat white incels that can't stand any character having agency other than the white lead
Yeah, Finn's absolute agency of doing whatever Rey/Rose tells him to do.
>Real answer is the Star Wars fan base is mostly bitter fat white incels that can't stand any character having agency other than the white lead
Nonwhites look gross.
Shit, if u have any black or female character in a movie period they see it as a personal attack. Look how often the "Dey here" meme is still posted.
Explain movies like Blade, Alien, or Kill Bill then you dumb reddit Black person.
You forget that those characters are women / minorities. It's not shoved in your face unlike woke movies.
All I hear is seething from a couple of homosexuals. You know I'm right so just admit it and you will feel alot better
I know you're a dumb Black person.
Sorry did i hurt your feelings, chuddy?
Yeah, that's why these Star Wars incels always complain about Lando so much. Oh wait, nobody ever talks about Lando at all. Nobody cares.
Alien Franchise
Terminator Franchise
Rocky Franchise (who cried about Carl Weathers)
Predator, Predator 2, Prey
The Matrix Trilogy
The Blade Trilogy
Lethal Weapon
Rush Hour
Friday
He Got Game
Pulp Fiction
Jackie Brown
Star Wars OT
Do I need to keep going?
Oh wow all movies that were made 20+ years ago when woke politics werent a hot button issue. Name a single movie made in the last 10 years that had a black and/or female lead that didnt send this board into an uproar.
Name one of those movies that wasn't a massive pile of shit at least partly because they replaced political ideology with entertainment.
They even baited the actor into accepting the role. He thought he would a Jedi but the footage was meant to throw fans off from the main plot.
Imagine watching the reveal trailer with your father thinking you would be a Jedi.
The lil Black person read the script, he was the janitor that got made fun of. He also got rekt by keylo and had a girl save him.
So why not cater to them and make billions in toy sales?
He didn't have agency. He was literally just along for the ride.
He didn't even have a consistent character. He goes from butthurt a PTSD'd about being a disposable goon to laughing with glee at gunning those fellow goons down in the span of a few minutes.
But yes, being a hideous jump-scare faced jogger didn't help. It's just he was so bad that my (justified) racism didn't even have time to come into it
Black fans like Lando, not Finn
>oh no le nig actor had to stand in 102 degree dry heat for a bit for millions of dollars
You can always tell who is a sheltered homosexual when they complain about doing trivial shit in certain types of weather for a short period of time. I knew a lawyer who ended up having to do prison time for like 15 months and is still b***hing 20 years later for having to do manual labor outside in the sun, like they had put him on the rack or something. They don't realize millions of people spend their whole careers working in the sun and heat, it's not some unusual torture, it's normal and easy to get acclimated to if you're not an abysmal pussy
Sounds awful. No thanks
Having a blast slaughtering his former squad mates after refusing to harm civvies wasn't the best start to his "character"...
They cast the most gorilla black guy they could find.
You can thank the TFA trailer.
Would.
Even the slampig version.
Especially the slampig version.
PTSD from israeli producer wiener.
home come there are no alien apes in starwars?
There's literally one in the OP, moron
I remember seeing a chimpanzee dude in episode 9
Lucas tried to avoid too many aliens who were just 'human but with weird nose' etc. like in Star Trek.
Funny how Disney shows made it just that.
ok I guess that makes some sense
That's not from star wars. That's fan fiction that some how go the rights to star wars
oh really?! what scene?
Look at OP
Finn could have deserted and just fricked off to some planet with zero fricks given, since he really dindunuffin. There was no reason for him to stick around with the "Rebels".
>worst character
name one blacker
>no charisma
>ugly as frick
>no talent
>nog
>horrible personality
what the frick did he mean by this
I have no idea.
I thought laying pipe was a different way of saying that you shat a big ole turd.
What the frick did the giant walking turd mean by this?
It means "muh dick".
You’re thinking of “dropping a log” or “pinching a loaf”
Reading black people's posts on twitter is like deciphering Egyptian hieroglyphs.
Even born and raised in England, they're so different from us. He has more in common with a black American than an Englishman.
No effort was made by the establishment at any point to integrate or promote English culture at all over the past few decades and it really shows. Even the BBC "big ups" american-style gangster black culture over any other.
That's complete projection. John Boyega is charismatic. Call him ugly, untalented, though I disagree, hate his personality all you want, but the guy has charisma. He is entertaining to watch to point where he's at least on par with Oscar Isaac.
>This guy is supposed be somekind of fanatic Hitlerjuged tier murder machine raised in a militarised society from early childhood
>Yes that's the First Order army backstory
Just looking at the actor I don't buy it. There's nothing about this character that makes you believe that he was a soldier, mannerism nothing
>brainwashed since childhood to be a killing machine
>loses his mind after seeing one person die.
Finn was just a rough draft of a character, if that. They never bothered to “complete” the character. The ex-trooper idea could have been developed into something great, but instead he just bumbled around and shouted. Might as well just delete the character out of the script at that point.
>worse than Rey
Nah. As a matter of fact he's one the least shit characters in that trainwreck of a trilogy. He's just not very interesting.
>the worst character in nuwars
No he isn't. Don't get me wrong he is distractingly out of place in Star Wars and is poorly written, but he isn't nearly as terrible as bullshit like admiral Holdo or Rose or Hux.
They almost stuck the landing with his characterisation in TFA, he goes from cowardly to taking on the bad guy knowing full well he’d get his shit pushed in, but they ruined it with him happily gunning down his former comrades. Other two movies are barely worth mentioning, I don’t know how any executive could look at the writing of those two films and think they’re anywhere near good enough to be made. Boyega should have just shut the frick up and taken the money, now his career is done.
>Finn snaps out of his conditioning because one of his dying comrades reaches out from him
>15 minutes later he's whooping and celebrating as he guns down his remaining comrades because "it's the right thing to do"
His character stopped having a chance 10% into the first movie.
He totally should have kept that helmet. Not leaning into the conditioned traumatised stormtrooper angle was a huge missed opportunity
i didn't even think of that
the sequels are so shit
>i didn't even think of that
if it's any consolation, neither did jj
>Conditioned as a soldier and killing machine
>Actually, I'm just a janitor 😛
I remember reading that Boyega had initially tried to play Finn as a much more serious, grim character. But JJ Abrams told him to lighten up and not be too serious. 'This is fun!' or something.
When the director/writer doesn't give a shit about consistent tone or charactorisation what chance does an actor have?
They took his helmet off.
His romance with Rose was the best part of the ST
It was iconic
TORA TORA TORA!
ngl, it was a more compelling romance than rey and kylo definitely
Worst character? Not even close. Not that Finn is good, he's not, but nuwars is filled with some of the worst characters in fiction.
>I REALLY dislike this movie but I just can't stop sucking wieners! -OP
Why can't they find black actors that look cool anymore?
White guilt is stronger than ever, as is victim worship, so generosity is extended to the most unfortunate specimens they can find, usually meaning the ugliest and least talented black folks they can get their hands on. Good-looking black people being successful isn't enough for affluent neurotic white people to feel good about themselves.
Sadly accurate.
For the same reason they don't cast attractive slim actresses any more
Attractive black actors, especially men, pose too much of a threat to the typical incel white idea of attractive. They will b***h no matter what black actor is chosen, but they will especially complain if the black actor is attractive and is seen as attractive by white female characters.
When it comes to male castings, even when white, they're often time far less attractive than their female co-stars. It's to keep female standards of beauty in men at a reasonable low while placing them with very attractive women. It all works according to the same theory where white men remain the best regarded despite how average they appear.
Why the frick would you make a character a former stormtrooper and then do absolutely nothing with it. Dramatically it's at least kind of interesting to take one of the random, faceless cannon-fodder that the protags have been gunning down for the last several movies and give him a face and a name and make him one of the main characters of the series.
There's a lot you can do with the concept! Maybe, rather than just mindlessly slaughtering stormtroopers by the dozen, he makes an argument to spare them or to try and reverse their conditioning. Afterall, Finn was basically kidnapped as a child and brainwashed into being a solider for the First Order. Are the FO stormtroopers really morally culpable and deserving of death if they're basically just brainwashed child soldiers?
Maybe Finn could help recruit disaffected FO stormtroppers and try to deprogram to join the Resistance, or lead some kind of uprising. Maybe he could face a moral dilemma, where he has to kill stormtroopers he knows are just brainwashed in order to save his friends in the resistance. Maybe he could provide a way to shed light into the workings and background of the FO.
No? He's just going to become a comic relief character? He's just going to start laughing as he blows up his friends 5 minutes after going turncoat?
Oh okay.
they even fricking teased this with the "TRAITOR" guy in prerelease marketing
nope, just an excuse to pan around while fighters engage 30ft above the ground
Imagine a scene on a battlefield (that isn't just disney+ super fight scenes that go from dialog to punchy kicky superfight to over in 5 minutes) where there is actual meaning and characters
Imagine Finn gets up and appeals to the troopers' sense of reason
Converts them by argument to his cause
Would this not be SW kino?
they forgot to write him
he should have been a jedi and he should have fricked rey, making the the skywalker bloodline BLACKED
>he should have been a jedi and he should have fricked rey
See, you're joking, but that's actually what they should've done. It's obvious in TFA that they're wanting to pair Rey and Finn together in some fashion - as friends, as lovers, as Jedi - but then they very obviously get cold feet and hard reverse and Rey and Finn barely even see each other again after the first movie.
The fact you don't even have to go to any absurd lengths to justify why Jedi Finn would've been better than jedi Rey, it is just inherently more interesting. Doomed timeline
Especially given the fact that they put him on the TFA poster with the damned lightsaber, like it was always the plan.
They were looking at Cinemaphile and figured people didnt like a black storm trooper, so they humiliated him to "subvert expectations."
>I'm gonna be in Star Wars!
>My character will be so badass! Everyone will remember me and be talking about how cool I was for decades!
which character are you referring to?
Exactly.
>The random trooper who yells Traitor ends up being the only memorable thing from the film
>She literally gets dumpstered
lol, lmao even.
Trying way too hard to recreate the "Boba" effect and failing so miserably was just shameful
The funny thing is is that they did stumble upon a Boba type guy in Traitor Guy. He's the best character in the sequel trilogy by far.
it is so ugly ;-;
/misc/ was right.
Rey is the worst because she just ruins everything. Finn is just wasted potential.
write a 2 dimensional character with no defining traits or abilities, give him nothing to do, do nothing to evolve his character and forget him as the series goes on.
Sucha wasted potential of a character. The whole damn sequel triology was a wasted potential. Kathleen Kennedy needs to just go.
By being ugly and black
What even is his character? His imaginary arc is wrapped up before the first act of TFA ends. I can't remember if they even explain why he rebelled, no pun intended.
>I can't remember if they even explain why he rebelled
He got blood on his mask 🙁
His story arc is humanising the stormtroopers then laughing while you blow them up.
Yeah but where does his "human" traits come from, and no that's not a monkey joke. He was taken from his family before he could even remember them, so all he's known is the First Order. He's a victim, yes, but he never actually gets taught an alternative or finds a motivator beyond having some innate moral compass that reveals itself in the first ten minutes of the first film. So people are just born good and bad is his character's message? Then why don't Jedi kill bad apples when they're younglings? Hell, why wasn't it part of Kylo Ren's duty to make the rounds every time a new batch was "recruited" and weed out the rebels, since apparently that shit is just ambiguously wired into you and completely ignorant of context. Why didn't Qui Gon just murder Anakin in Episode I? How come Palpatine didn't realize Ben (Solo) would betray him?
Basically none of this makes sense. I hate Star Wars so much it's unreal.
Best black character ever to be in front of a camera
They realized he was outshining their average white girl mc and needed to put an end to him. It's also why all the other girls were ugly comparatively to Rey, especially the non white girls.
He was just there to do diversity bingo...they don't do anything other than yell "RAY!!!" and be Goofy black sidekick
Johnson wrecked his character worse than anything. I mean I don't know who did what that's just what I see as the audience
Did he even do anything in The Last Jedi?
No. He starts the movie in a coma, wakes up spontaneously, bumbles around on the big pointless fetch quest that turned out to be total misdirection, then just when he's finally about to do something meaningful at the end, Rose stops him from doing it.
The history of the Star Wars galaxy would be literally entirely unchanged if he had just stayed in a coma for the entire movie.
>arguably
They emasculated what could have been an interesting perspective from a former stormtrooper into a comic relief.
They're all terrible and the real reason is they have no appeal to kids. Finn has nothing to make him an appealing toy and neither do Poe or Rey. Their idea for Poe was to give him a jacket. Their idea for Finn was for him to wind up with the same fricking jacket. No special or unique guns or gadgets or gizmos nor even a dedicated look. Rey never even got her own fricking lightsaber. That doesn't make sense. Why didn't she get her own lightsaber. I can't get over it. Rey feels like someone a 47 year old woman designed for herself and other old crones and not someone a little girl would like. She should've had like 10 outfits and 4 different hairstyles in the first movie alone. She should've had her own saber and a better looking gun to appeal to boys. Star Wars has been permanently taken over by middle aged morons trying to make shit for themselves and insisting its better. The "they just wanted to make toys" insult was the most brainlet bit against Lucas I've ever seen. Legitmately makes me fricking angry. Of course they wanted to make toys dumbass. Toys are for kids and a cool toy character is a cool character for kids. Why do you think you liked Boba Fett when you were 11? Kickass toy.
God it was so fricking simple and right in front of everyone but everybody was throwing temper tantrums about the fricking EU or "appealing to feminism" as if LITTLE GIRLS give a shit, or LITTLE BOYS. Goddammit I fricking hate middle aged star wars fans. Frick.
Even making a plastic figure of Hannibal Lecter in the mask and straightjacket has more toyetic appeal than 90% of nu-wars toys.
I don't know how you even frick up making shit designed for toys with Star Wars. In an alternate timeline their is a toyMAXX version of the sequels where the Knights of Ren are the main bad guys, not the empire 2.0, and they all have cool weapons and gadgets and shit.
Seeing John Boyega for the first time in The Force Awakens was the shock of my life.
I was so hyped for the sequel trilogy that I cagily avoided all marketing materials, all trailers, and all commercials. If I walked by a toy aisle at the store and caught a small glimpse of a vehicle or stormtrooper, I'd look away immediately. I wanted to go into the new era of Star Wars with an entirely open mind, as pure as an Amish virgin. On opening night I knew there was a brown-haired female protagonist (that much was hard to avoid, even though I shielded my eyes), but little else. I didn't even know which classic characters were returning.
When Boyega first took off that helmet and revealed himself to the theater, I let out an audible gasp. My entire row of filmgoers looked at me like I was nuts, but I couldn't help myself. There before me was the most Simian creature I'd ever seen in a galaxy far, far away. An intergalactic gorilla with huge flaring Black person nostrils and big Nigerian chieftain lips.
Oftentimes film studios will soften the blow by casting Billy Dee Williams or Will Smith... but not this time. This time you were forced to feast your eyes on a pure-blooded coal black silverback Black person, blown up forty feet high on an IMAX screen.
I looked around, uncomprehendingly, as the rest of the crowd seemed to accept this monstrosity as a regular matter of course. Then it occurred to me that I was the only person who hadn't already seen months' worth of marketing materials.
Little by little, they had been led to accept this by drips and drabs of commercials, trailers, and TV interviews. Their minds had been so softened that they were willing to stare unflinchingly, even giggle and smile at the Black folkhines, as MegaBlack person (missing only a bone in his nose) besmirched the galaxy.
Lots of people debate about the exact moment when Star Wars died. I contend it was when that minstrel-looking sweaty jigaboo removed his helmet and revealed his Lovecraftian face.
Is this a new pasta?
>new
https://vocaroo.com/1jgOBtQP4p4x
Gets me every time
pls cook yourself
I love this pasta. Literal tears. I'm going to need to explain it to my wife because I woke her up laughing at it.
Holy KINO
we could have had michael b jordan but the scripts was so shitty it didn't work so they hired this African britbong instead
>How'd they do it?
There were 2 streams of thought in the Disney writing room
a. want to make stormtrooper turncoat
b. make him black for diversity points
c. don't want him to diminish other characters with stormtrooper plotline or abilities
d. make him a janitor instead
e. want to make female lead look important, make him scream her name
f. too lazy to commit to plotline, so we'll hint at things to farm marketing data
g. leave him impotent.
1. want to ship Rey with Finn
2. tumblrinas want Kylo x Rey
3. ship Finn with goblin
4. Asians mad that the goblin is ugly, even madder that Finn is black (and ugly)
5. Introduce random black girl
6. Realize intentions would be obvious if they ship her with Finn
7. Leave Finn impotent
>Goblin
I still would Kelly
Not if I get to her first
Her chubby ass is mine!
I mean she was literally casted because she looks like a plain chubby asian girl. Why would she expect to be noticed?
Jesus. This poor woman.
>We want you to look like an ugly piece of shit that no one would ever like.
>that story about that time she was afraid of going to buy groceries after TLJ because of her celebrity status
>nobody recognized her
Kek, do you have a link or screenshot/archive? Did she post about it on her deleted socials?
It was on her instagram I think. Probably deleted by now.
(me)
Since it's a mp4 with audio, I can't post it here.
The link: files catbox moe slash goy3cv.mp4
Damn, they really went the extra mile to ugly her up in the movies
They literally did, Rian Johnson told costuming to make her look frumpy and dorky because representation.
he wanted her to look like some ugly girl he used to have a crush on
She has big breasts.
100% screwed her over. She's a frickable little piece of Vietnamese ass and a competent actress. She just had the misfortune to get her big break playing one of the worst characters in one of the most loathed movies of all time, which added insult to injury by making her look as unglamourous as possible
They really only wanted Rey and Kylo / white characters to look frickable. Everyone else had to become goofy-ass looking sidekicks.
we could have had Michael b Jordan or tom holland but instead, we got boyega becuse the script was garbage
https://www.insider.com/michael-b-jordan-star-wars-the-force-awakens-bombed-audition-2021-5
Interesting premise with disgusting execution
His character is extraneous. Oscar Isaac could have done everything of importance that he does.
He was fine in force awakens 2bh as an actor, just JJ Abrams threw his character arc out within 40 mins (betraying the first order because muh fellow stormtroopers were being murdered for insubordination to then blowing up those same fellow stormtroopers for fun)
Rian Johnson basically not bothering with him was the nail in the coffin, wasn't much to recover after that
Phasma was worse. And DJ.
honestly if he wasnt black no one would have even remembered him
No that is pure anti yidsney star wars nerd cope. Finn is barely a fricking character he might as well have been a fricking droid there is nothing to hate compared to shit like Admiral SJW.
This poor dude was ruined like Data's emotion chip plot.
Worst character?
Let me list the characters that were better:
Kylo Ren - Bitter immature youth given way too much power for his own good. Actually grows as a character in a believable way
Poe Dameron - Competent, upstanding, and charismatic, despite having insultingly little agency in the plot
BB-8 - Charismatic, loyal, cute, didn't say anything moronic because he can't talk
Finn - Bumbling tagalong with no purpose or interesting qualities. His only shred of character development was "taking responsibility", which was already done better by Han, and was pointlessly replayed in the second movie, except sabotaged that time, and in the third movie they didn't even bother and gave him literally nothing.
That's not great, but literally every other character is even worse. Ranging from "utter waste of potential" all the way down to "infuriating."
> the worst character in nuwars
I actually liked the vibe between him and the Hispanic guy in force awakens.
Rey was much worse, she didn't had a personality.
The movies would've been better if Rey had turned to the dark side, since nobody would've to see her stupid face if she wore a mask, and the good guys were Boyega and "Poe" (that was his name right).
Boyega is a shitty person, but they did him dirty and turned him into the token Black person of star wars. It's kinda ironic how the OT had proper diverse characters lmao
>completely drop B-plot
Finn needed to be a Clone or Hunger Games clone template refresher template. Then his force sensitivity at all is remarkable and anomalous. He needed to not be a "janitor" but doing latrine duty, because Phasma rides the best recruits the hardest. Finn has to be detatched with special forces (because Nu Republic politics and OpSec against Imperial Remant continuity of government 5th column) as an advisor with knowledge on First Order combat SOP and how it's changed from bong average Empire storm troopers. The setup pays off with a Dagobah Nightmare sequence where, trying to treat a wounded 1st Order trooper to take as prisoner, he sees his own face behind the helmet and has a psychotic PTSD identity crisis split, questioning who he is.
Then you have Oscar Isaac, demoted from commanding large fleet formations, sent to Wedge Antilles and whatever successor to Rogue Squadron doing SOF hits in tandem with Finn. Isaac's humbled professionally by the horizontal promation and old Top Gun OGs showing him the even more advanced pilot ropes.
Finn & Poe are chasing Knights of Ren doing Indiana Jones shit with Jedi/Sith archaeology under the instruction of the old Imperial Cult/Church guy Cronal/Blackhole (whom Snoke is likely cribbed from). There's your integrated B-plot where these two gay baiting gays aren't purse holding castrati passengers. Rey can now reach out and @Finn for assistance at some critical moment to bring the cavalry/diversion force.
That’s not Holdo or Rose Tico.
I thought the evil soldiers of the space nazis were supposed to be kiwi copies of some Boba Fett looking douche. What happened?
Palpatine couldn't get any more clones made (the cloners found out he was evil) and so by the time of the original movies, it's a mix of clones and normal people who have applied to the Empire. By the sequels I imagine there probably aren't any clones left.
>Did the Disney Trilogy ever answer this shit
They did not.
I thought Laura Dern’s character was the most hated
He was a far more interesting character than Rey. He actually had character development in the first film. He went from being a coward who wanted to run away to challenging Kylo Ren to an ill-fated lightsaber duel.
Star Wars should've remained a White franchise
ALL franchises should be white.
>somehow luke's lightsaber returned
>somehow vader's mask returned
>somehow death star returned
>somehow empire returned
>somehow dexter jettster returned
Finn is easily one of the best things abt the trilogy. His problem lies where they ultimately give up on his character development alongside Rey to force Kylo and Rey who share even less chemistry. I could watch Rey and Finn do their thing all day like they did in TFA. Kylo made a good heel for Rey but once that disappears, the whole story begins to fail. Again, Finn is a great character who is later ignored.
>theses scenes
Hey wasn't given much a character to work with to start with. He wasn't too bad in TFA
he’s only bad because they didn’t know what to do with him after VII. there could’ve been something potent there but VIII just had him run around a casino planet and i don’t even remember anything that happened in IX.
>arguably
Admiral Holdo.
He's barely a character. I think if the had've let him kamikaze himself to save everyone in that awful second one he might've been remembered somewhat fondly. Instead he's a joke.
New Order needed to have a point for the plot to even be compelling. Maybe some outside threat (vong?) that made the empire remnants have a reason to reunify the galaxy while the republic fell even further into pieces. Finn in this would have joined up with the best intentions but saw how things were rotten at the top and betrayed maybe on a mission where rey would have been in danger or was even the target
Finn had potential if they bothered spending any energy whatsoever worldbuilding around the struggles of stormtroopers and the implications of some of them developing consciences.
But the product was helmed by women, homosexuals, and diversity hires, so of course no energy could go into that.
I can't remember the names of any of the sequel characters
Rey should have been blacked like the writers wanted. I guarantee it would have made the movies so much better
>Surprise, mothafricka
Diversity hire + can't be shown in Asia without the crowd booing = get in the back and shut up
N
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they hired someone that resembles OP's mum's boyfriends
Finn in TFA is a decent character, they ruined him in TLJ and didn't have anything for him to do in ROS
>Finn in TFA is a decent character
He's not even the same guy from one scene to the next.